A Warning

[ZippyTheChimp]

If the Yanks don't have a reasonably successful weekend in Boston, I'd advise all of you not to annoy this moderator all next week.

I'll be handing out infractions at the drop of a hat.

[Ninjahedge]

A Yankee hat or a Red Sox hat?

[ZippyTheChimp]

Let's see...

Ninjahedge pre-approved for 10 infraction points.

[NYatKNIGHT]

BWAH!

Hey, I'm right there with you - this series starts ulcer season.

[Ninjahedge]

Let's see...

Ninjahedge pre-approved for 10 infraction points.

Can I get a discount at Target with those?

[kz1000ps]

Is it safe to assume by now that we can keep up our normal shenanigans for the coming week? At 39-20 overall, I'd say the nail is in the coffin.

[kz1000ps]

...I'll answer my own question with what could only be a resounding YES.

[ZippyTheChimp]

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j291/perry4317/broom.jpg

:) :) :) :) :)

10 credits for everyone.

[Ninjahedge]

...I'll answer my own question with what could only be a resounding YES.

You have cable?

[NYatKNIGHT]

"The Slap Heard 'Round the World"

[Punzie]

Have you established an infractions/credits system for 2007?

(I need to spend the weekend preparing.)

[Gregory Tenenbaum]

F the infraction system.

Just my 2 cents.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Contact the administrator.

But be careful. You might be the one getting F'ed.

[NoyokA]

Since moderators can't give other moderators infractions.

I'll represent all other Mets fan and say the brooms are out for the Yankees tonight.

I only wonder how long it will take most Yankee bandwagon fans to switch teams (not that I want them) since the ship is so sinking fast.

[ZippyTheChimp]

^
Can't predict the future, but history doesn't bear it out.

If you experienced the lean years of the 80's: The Mets had a chance to take the city, but NY remained Yankee Town.

If you old enough to remember the dark years of the late 60s - early 70s: CBS ownership, the Mets had won a WS and played in another, the NL dominated the way the AL does today; by the end of the decade, it was Yankee Town again.

True Yankee fans know that 1996-2001 was a rare gift, something that only comes along once in a while. You have to go back to the Big Red Machine of the early 70s for the last one.

The Mets have won nothing yet - like last year.

[NoyokA]

I don't mean to call you a fair-weather bandwagon fan, because I don't believe you are one. I do believe a great deal of so called Yankee fans are though, only because they were the best team in New York, and that despite the roster of all-stars they would be hard pressed to name every position player on the Yankees. Now the table has turned and the Mets are the best team in New York, it will be interesting to see whether or not these bandwagon fans shift allegiances. I have enjoyed watching the Mets these last few seasons more than any other time in my life, and it only partly has to do with them winning, it has all do to with their passion, chemistry, leadership, comradely, energy and just an overall sense of enjoying the game and having fun together both on and off the field. I have never not enjoyed watching the Yankees more than I do now, I see a clubhouse of all-stars that don’t really enjoy playing together, that in my opinion bat to pad their own stats, who sit in the dugout stolid, void of passion, chemistry, leadership, energy, and everything that the Mets are. The Yankees need a big change, it must start from the top, Torre must go, his style of managing, just sitting on the bench emotionless is a problem, the Yankees need a manager like Willie Randolph, always on the top step of the dugout and passionate about every little nuisance of the game and his team. Furthermore the Yankees need real spark-plugs like the Mets have, not the Divas they currently put out, they need a Jose Reyes who brings excitement to the game, a Paul Lo’Duca type player who is hardnosed, fiery, and involved. The Yankees have gotten young, but they don’t have young talent. Its time for Cashman to go as well, the Yankees need to bring in young talent with intangibles of energy, passion, and leadership.

[ZippyTheChimp]

^
I didn't take it that way.

I was just noting that history does not indicate the average Yankee fan (whatever that is) can be characterized as fair-weather.

Fans

I can note from experience what seems to me one big difference between Yankee and Met fans, best illustrated by the 1985 and 1996 WS.

In 1985, although I remember a macabre joke about the best outcome for Yankee fans would be if the Mets and Red Sox charter planes collided over Shea, I can't recall even one Yankee fan wanting the Red Sox to beat the Mets.

In 1996, when the Braves went up 2-0 heading home, I began to hear it from Met fans: "welcome to the NL, blah-blah." I couldn't understand, after enduring years of that stupid Chop, Met fans would want the Braves to win the WS.

What it comes down to is that Met fans have always been more obsessed with the Yankees than the reverse. I don't think it's the nature of the fan, but more the situation. However, it's there. The Red Sox are obsessed with the Yankees, but it's reciprocal. These games to a Yankee fan are important because we're 10 1/2 back, not because it's a series with the Mets.

Yankees

I don't know how you can characterize the Yankees as players who "pad their stats."

Who?

Jeter? Why would someone who pads their stats want to bat #2, the give-yourself-up slot? Has anyone enjoyed playing baseball over the lat decade as much as Jeter?

Posada? The forgotten Yankee, until this year. Quietly has gotten better year after year, at an age when most catchers are deteriorating. Right now, the best catcher in baseball.

Matsui? When he pulled his hamstring early in the season, he apologized for not being ready to play after spring training. Torre said he never heard a player blame himself for an injury.

Rivera? Let's not even go there.

Rodriguez? It may appear that he pads stats, but he doesn't dog it, and plays with intensity - maybe too much.

Young, winning teams carry the seeds of age. They get old because of success. I happens to all good teams. It's easy to jump on the Yankees when they have to start AA pitchers; another goes tonight.

Mets

They have a good team, but I know that it gnaws on Met fans that if they don't strike soon, the opportunity might slip by. They blew it big time last year - let a mediocre team take it away from them in their own house.

[NoyokA]

Since most players care about their stats padding their stats isn't a concern of the Yankees alone. What I can't get over is how lifeless and void of fire the Yankee dug-out is, and that's what I meant by padding stats, the Yankees roster consists of players who have put up good stats in the past and have had their big pay-day for it, its in their mentality, what is not in their mentality is the concept of team. Sure the Mets have over-paid superstars as well but there's a good balance of young talent, role models as well as hungry players that the focus becomes winning as a team by the team as a whole.

[Punzie]

...Torre must go, his style of managing, just sitting on the bench emotionless is a problem...

George Steinbrenner can't fire Joe Torre, not at this point in time. Joe's older brother, Frank, appears to be at death's door at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital. Frank, age 75, had a kidney transplant and is in the ICU with pneumonia and an infection.

Steinbrenner knows that he can live down most negative PR -- but would probably never live down firing Joe Torre while his brother is dying.

____________________

TORRE WON'T TALK ABOUT BROTHER'S CONDITION

By GEORGE KING
The New York Post

May 16, 2007 -- SEATTLE - After his comments about going home Monday to visit brother Frank at Columbia Presbyterian ignited a media frenzy outside the hospital, Joe Torre has decided to avoid answering questions about Frank's condition. Frank is recovering from a kidney transplant at the hospital.

"I am not answering questions about my brother,'' Torre said before last night's game.

"I got myself in trouble. No disrespect.''

Saturday, Torre said his family was praying and had fingers crossed for Frank. Sunday, he said he was going home on the off day. That resulted in the media converging on the Manhattan facility and forcing Torre to use a different entrance to see Frank.

Torre gathered the Yankee beat writers in the U.S. Cellar Field dugout and explained his brother's condition was a private matter and that he didn't want to cause more commotion at the hospital.

george.king@nypost.com
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05162007/sports/yankees/torre_wont_talk_about_brothers_condition_yankees_g eorge_king.htm


Previous article:

Joe Torre Taking Time to Visit Hospitalized Brother Frank

May 14, 2007

SEATTLE (AP) -- Yankees manager Joe Torre planned to visit his brother, Frank, who remains hospitalized in New York following a kidney transplant.

Torre said Sunday he intended to take advantage of the Yankees' off day on Monday and fly back to New York to see his brother, who is at New York Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia.

``He's being taken care of and he has good days and bad days,'' Torre said. ``It's going to be a long process, because of just the seriousness of the surgery and everything that goes with it.''

Frank Torre, who is 75, had the kidney operation May 1 and has been in and out of intensive care with pneumonia and an infection.

Joe Torre planned to rejoin the Yankees before Tuesday night's game at the Chicago White Sox.

``I think he was chosen out of our family to go through that stuff because they knew he could handle it,'' Torre said of his brother. ``I can hide here. This is what I do, and it's what he's interested in me doing on a daily basis. He still asks my wife how the road trip is going.''

Frank Torre had a heart transplant during the 1996 World Series, watching from his hospital bed as Joe managed the Yankees to the title. Frank Torre spent seven seasons playing in the major leagues with the Milwaukee Braves and Philadelphia Phillies from 1956-63.

http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/454710.php?contentType=4&contentId=498220

[Punzie]

F the infraction system.

Just my 2 cents.

Gregory, I'm not at all offended by your use of the letter "F", but at least one person is, and I don't want to see you banned.:(

The topics you host are interesting and colorfully written, and I enjoy replying to them. My wish is to see an endless, indefinite stream of them. I am not your only fan, I'm just the most vocal one.:)

If all it takes is to stop using the letter "F" -- that's not so bad, is it?

[ZippyTheChimp]

^
GT is miffed about my reaction to his use of the acronym STFU (directed at a forumer) in another thread.

He's taken a few opportunities to attempt to needle me over it. The proper course of action was indicated above.

[NYatKNIGHT]

The forum can breathe a sigh of relief.


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Boston --- 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 2 7 0
Yankees - 2 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 X 6 9 2

[ZippyTheChimp]

I forgot to post it: given the dire circumstances this year, infraction will be a vacation in the Caribbean.

Guantanamo

[OmegaNYC]

Finally, Baseball!

This series will test the mettle of the Yankees. After losing the series to the Mets, the Yanks need to sweep Boston. Winning 2 out of 3 ain't going to do it, The way the Red Sox are playing, the hell with the division, the only hope the Yanks have is winning the Wild Card. And we all know, this might come out of the AL Central. I'm not a Yankees fan, but I think Torre needs to go. I like him a lot, he made Willie what he is today, but the Yankees have had a $200 million dollar team for years, and they always come up short in the long run. I thought the way the team played in the 2003 WS was it for him. Then came the ALCS in 2004, I thought this guy was gone. Then back-to-back first round exits in the post season. Yet, he still manage to come back. I don't get it.

[OmegaNYC]

Sure the Mets have over-paid superstars as well but there's a good balance of young talent, role models as well as hungry players that the focus becomes winning as a team by the team as a whole.

Great point, Stern. The Mets have such young talent like Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Gomez, Fernando Martinez, etc. This is going to be a young, hungry team to come for many years. New ball park opening in 09, young talent, great manager. Mets fans can't ask for anything more except for some rings!

[ZippyTheChimp]

I'm not a Yankees fanReally?

[OmegaNYC]

ummm... yeah... why? ^^^

[OmegaNYC]

why do I have this nasty feeling that I'm going to get flammed.... :confused:

[ZippyTheChimp]

You're not going to get flamed. It's just sports talk.

It's just funny how Mets fans seem to be obsessed with the Yanks, and generally think of themselves as more loyal than Yankee fans.

I give you this tidbit:

At the start of 2004, Jeter was in a horrendous slump. At the end of May, he was hitting in the 180s, and because of his visible lack of concern over it, it was perceived that he was losing it - not yet 30 years old.

The media ran with it; Mike and the Mad Dog had a radio discussion over whether Jeter should be traded while he still had value.

There was concern at the Stadium, but no boos.

Young Mets star after a ONE MONTH slump:
Wright Booed at Home (http://www.nypost.com/seven/05012007/sports/mets/wright_hears_boos_mets_kevin_kernan.htm)

I think you should direct your attention to the Braves series. You were in a better position to win it all last year, when you ran away with the NL East.

The Braves are right there this year; they've taken 4 of 6 from the Mets. We all know about the Braves-Mets history.

[OmegaNYC]

Oh, c'mon! I'm not obsessed with the Yankees. I'm just a Mets fan who enjoy baseball. I listen to sports radio and read the papers and I hear issues from both the Yankees and Mets. There are Mets fans who are obsessed with the Yankees, kinda like how come White Sox fans are obsessed with the Cubs. I however, just pay attention to the Mets. You're right we have a BIG series against the Braves. They are playing some damn good ball against us.

[ZippyTheChimp]

^
I didn't mean you personally, just a general observation.

When the Cubs and Sox were both crap, I could understand the mutual obsession - that's all they had. Now that the Sox have one one, it's probably one-sided.

[Jasonik]

"Two dry days don't guarantee a drunk is going to be sober forever. But sobriety has to start somewhere, and that's the genesis of the 'One Day At A Time' recovery mantra." -GEORGE KING (http://www.nypost.com/seven/05222007/sports/yankees/wang_makes_things_right_yankees_george_king.htm)

[OmegaNYC]

^
I didn't mean you personally, just a general observation.




like this guy? Metsradamus (http://metstradamus.blogspot.com/2007/05/it-hurts-to-boo-epilogue.html)

[NoyokA]

You're not going to get flamed. It's just sports talk.

It's just funny how Mets fans seem to be obsessed with the Yanks, and generally think of themselves as more loyal than Yankee fans.

I give you this tidbit:

At the start of 2004, Jeter was in a horrendous slump. At the end of May, he was hitting in the 180s, and because of his visible lack of concern over it, it was perceived that he was losing it - not yet 30 years old.

The media ran with it; Mike and the Mad Dog had a radio discussion over whether Jeter should be traded while he still had value.

There was concern at the Stadium, but no boos.

Young Mets star after a ONE MONTH slump:
Wright Booed at Home (http://www.nypost.com/seven/05012007/sports/mets/wright_hears_boos_mets_kevin_kernan.htm)

I think you should direct your attention to the Braves series. You were in a better position to win it all last year, when you ran away with the NL East.

The Braves are right there this year; they've taken 4 of 6 from the Mets. We all know about the Braves-Mets history.

I sincerely hope you're not saying that the Yankees don't boo their players and are better fans for it. Booing players is a New York thing not merely a Mets or a Yankees thing and I am ashamed of any fan that does. But, need I remind of A-Rod, his routine MVP play year in and year out and the fickle Yankees fans who routinely boo him for it. Jeter is never booed because the media and fans have a man crush on him and his so called "intangibles", call me crazy but I think a team captain with "intagibles" should stick up for his fellow teammate (A-Rod), which he never did when the Yankee fans were mercilessly booing him. What The Yankees could really use is the class and the play that Bernie brought to the team, its ashame that they chose to not resign him.

[NYatKNIGHT]

Generally, I find that Mets fans hate the Yankees far more often than Yankee fans hate the Mets. "Hate" is a strong word, but you know what I mean. I think that's what Zippy is saying, and I couldn't agree more. It makes sense given their histories.

I recently heard someone say that Red Sox fans hate the Yankees even more than they love the Red Sox, which actually explains a lot, so I'm inclined to agree. I don't believe the same could be said for Mets fans.

[ZippyTheChimp]

I sincerely hope you're not saying that the Yankees don't boo their players and are better fans for it.No, I'm not making any evaluation on the quality of the fan bases - I mentioned in one post that it's more the result of the disparate success of the two teams over the years. I'm sure if the situation were reversed, Yankee fans would be more obsessed with the Mets.


it has all do to with their passion, chemistry, leadership, comradely, energy and just an overall sense of enjoying the game and having fun together both on and off the field.I doubt you would have seen that if the Mets were trailing the Braves by 10 1/2, and they were forced to pitch two rookies in a big series.


but they don’t have young talent.Cano, Wong, Hughes?


What The Yankees could really use is the class and the play that Bernie brought to the team, its ashame that they chose to not resign him.But I thought...


The Yankees need a big change,

As I said, successful teams get old because of their success. In 2001, the Yankees were clearly on the way down. They could have made Paul O'Neill ride the bench on his final season, but they didn't. We paid for it the following year, but we got his last game at the Stadium.


Jeter is never booed because the media and fans have a man crush on him and his so called "intangibles"That's on a level with me telling a Red Sox fan that Big Papi doesn't play the field, so he sucks. Jeter's career speaks for itself. hits in 67 of his last 70 games, 39 of 40 so far this year.


I have never not enjoyed watching the Yankees more than I do nowDid you enjoy watching them 1998 - 2001?

And what are your thoughts on the 2001 playoffs-WS?

[Jasonik]

http://hometown.aol.com/alskor/myhomepage/pedroia.jpg (http://journals.aol.com/deskblog/LineupCard/entries/2007/05/23/no-wonder-nobody-likes-a-rod/1575)

video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN9RJVGzHlY)

[Ninjahedge]

Notice comments have been disabled?


that was a pretty cheap shot!


Oh, BTW, the reason why most Yank fans might be less vocal might also be that since the Yanks are a popular team, a lot of "fair weather" fans call themselves Yank fans.

Just a thought....

[OmegaNYC]

the reason why most Yank fans might be less vocal might also be that since the Yanks are a popular team, a lot of "fair weather" fans call themselves Yank fans.




So, that's why I see the logo on just about everyone's cap.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Yankees_cap_logo.PNG/100px-Yankees_cap_logo.PNG

[NoyokA]

I doubt you would have seen that if the Mets were trailing the Braves by 10 1/2, and they were forced to pitch two rookies in a big series.


Obviously, the reason the Mets are in first place is largely because they have passion, chemistry, leadership, comradely, energy, the reason the Yankees are 10 games back has all to do with their lack therefor, something a 200 million payroll can't cure or mask.


Cano, Wong, Hughes?

Perhaps the lack of real rolemodels and veteran insight of how the game should be played, for the love of the game and the team, not for the money or the fame explains why Cano and Wang are both having bad seasons. I'm not saying that they have this mentality yet, but they don't have positives presences coaching them. Hughes is on the DL, hopefully he doesn't fall in to the trap.


But I thought...

Bernie was one player that I always liked because he was all about the team, he was a rolemodel. If the Mets didn't already have so much veteran leadership, essentially player coaches, I would have loved for them to have had signed him. Just because you're an old player doesn't neccessarily mean you're a role-model, the Yankees have alot under the later, just old, category, many of which are team cancer's. Bernie's influence would be invaluable.


That's on a level with me telling a Red Sox fan that Big Papi doesn't play the field, so he sucks. Jeter's career speaks for itself. hits in 67 of his last 70 games, 39 of 40 so far this year.

Maybe you misread my post. My problem with Derek is not with his play, he's a great player, its that he has allowed things said in the past to create a drift between Arod and the team, he has not demonstrated "captain" leadership. If asked about some player struggling on his team I have little doubt that "Big Papi" would defend him, essentially saying that he is one of us, further there would probably be an outreach on and off the field instead of the unsociable and lonely atmosphere that exists in the Yankees dug-out.


Did you enjoy watching them 1998 - 2001?
I rooted for the Mets in 2000, but I never disliked the Yankees team like I do now. I just find the team very disagreeable now, no passion, no leadership, just uninteresting, boring, and tumultuous. They're similar to the Cardinals, who I used to enjoy watching, I like watching good baseball and baseball is more than stats and superstars, these teams do not play good baseball anymore.


And what are your thoughts on the 2001 playoffs-WS?

I didn't root for either team in the 2001 playoffs, however the Diamondbacks were hungrier although the current Yankee mentality had not yet begun to creep in, so I was happy to see the D-Backs win since they put up a good hard fight and played hard as a team, as a baseball fan it was one of my favorite playoff series.

[Jasonik]

To plunk or not to plunk? That is the question. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/polls/05_23_07_schilling/)

[Gregory Tenenbaum]

Ban me bitches.

I double dare you.

[Gregory Tenenbaum]

Gregory, I'm not at all offended by your use of the letter "F", but at least one person is, and I don't want to see you banned.:(

The topics you host are interesting and colorfully written, and I enjoy replying to them. My wish is to see an endless, indefinite stream of them. I am not your only fan, I'm just the most vocal one.:)

If all it takes is to stop using the letter "F" -- that's not so bad, is it?¨

I dare the bitches to ban me.

I DOUBLE dare them.

[Jasonik]

g.m.a.f.b

[Ninjahedge]

Ban me bitches.

I double dare you.

You are worse than spam.

You are trying to prove your point that you were not wrong by insulting people and trying to start a fight?

Seriously. Look at what you are doing and realize it makes no sense. "I am not a pugnacious insulting individual!!! Ban me bitches!!!"

:confused:

Real mature. How old are you buddy?

[NoyokA]

¨

I dare the bitches to ban me.

I DOUBLE dare them.

Very immature. Shape up or ship out.

[OmegaNYC]

I think he was bluffing. Well, I hope. I'm gonna miss GT. :(

[Ninjahedge]

Well, he dared them!

Just plain stupid.

[Meerkat]

I can't understand why he reacted the way he did to what i said- i didn't say he was ranting, i said i hoped it wasn't going to turn into a rant.

I think it's a shame if he has been banned, i was starting to find him stangely endearing.

[ZippyTheChimp]

The ban has an expiration date, so it's a suspension.

Whatever the misunderstanding, it had nothing to do with this thread.

[Punzie]

I think it's a shame if he has been banned, i was starting to find him stangely endearing.

Touche~

Gregory Tenenbaum has a bigger fan club than he may ever know.

[macreator]

The ban has an expiration date, so it's a suspension.

Whatever the misunderstanding, it had nothing to do with this thread.

How long is Gregory out for?

[Alonzo-ny]

I find him rather weird, i think he is a closet Brit. No other explanation for his weird nonsensical hate of the UK.

[Meerkat]

I find him rather weird, i think he is a closet Brit. No other explanation for his weird nonsensical hate of the UK.

Probably, hahahaha. He's proably been jilted by someone from England and now he's bitter.

Never mind, i'll treat him to a nice pint of English beer when i come over to New York.

[NoyokA]

The moderation staff is all about making our members happy. We were happy to oblige his desire.

[clubBR]

Im saddend by Gregorys ban.
I dont think that was him, maybe it was someone using his computer or someone who hacked into his account

[Alonzo-ny]

Nah he deserved a thick ear.

[ZippyTheChimp]

My good friend from Boston emailed me this:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/06/02/sports/02vecsey.xlarge1.jpg

LOL

[lofter1]

Hi - lay - reeee - ous ^^^

[Jasonik]

He finally earns some of his money and Steven Goldman says, "it's time to trade Alex Rodriguez." (http://www.nysun.com/article/55786)

I wonder if he'd like to play shortstop again ...

I think Phil Rogers has the wrong Sox (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-rogersbrite03jun03,1,4898382.column?coll=chi-sportstop-hed) in mind.

[kliq6]

GT gone, that was a strange guy and I never knew what to make of his posts or his stories

[Jasonik]

I would like to say for the recor that moving this thread here was arbitrary and confusing to find considering I kept searching for it in Anything Goes where it was born.

Anywho, we may have a race on our hands.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jasonik/yanksghost_res.jpg (http://www.frankgalasso.com/)

[sfenn1117]

So Mariano can stop papi!

That win was probably more important for the Yankees wildcard situation rather than the division. There's a reason Jeter's our captain. :cool:

[kliq6]

Yanks can only get wild card, red sox schedule is so easy they wont loose it this time. However if they play in the playoffs it will be a heck of a series