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LOVE-NYC
August 28th, 2006, 03:46 PM
I understand there are plans to demolish 220 CPS and build a new 41 story high rise. Any ideas as to when this is supposed to happen?

Any info on 240 CPS? The building is undergoing major renovations. Any ideas if there are plans to convert the building to either condo or coop?

jeffpark
August 28th, 2006, 03:57 PM
Clarett Group plans 41-story condo tower on Central Park South 19-MAY-06 http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/V2/new_devs/menu/pixel.gif http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/uploads/1148066899_cps220c.gifThe 20-story apartment building at 220 Central Park South may be demolished by the Clarett Group and replaced by a 41-story condominium tower designed by Pelli Clark Pelli, the firm that designed One Beacon Court on Lexington Avenue and 59th Street, the Museum of Modern Art tower on East 53rd Street and the World Financial Center at Battery Park City.
This 20-story, light-gray brick building was erected in 1954 and was designed by Mayer & Whittlesley and M. Milton Glass. It has 124 rental apartments. Mayer & Whittlesley also designed 40 and 240 Central Park South, which, like 220 Central Park South, are through-block buildings that extend to 58th Street.
In their excellent book, "New York 1960 Architecture and Urbanism Between The Second World War and The Bicentennial," (The Monacelli Press, 1995), Robert A. M. Stern, Thomas Mellins and David Fishman provide the following commentary about this building:
"Replacing three nineteenth-century rowhouses, and an apartment building, all built by the Appleby family, number 220 had as its immediate neighbor to the west Charles Buckham's Gainsborough Studios (1908), one of the most distinguished examples of the 'artist's studio' apartment house type that flourished before the first World War. Unfortunately, neither the character of its neighbor nor the previous efforts of Mayer & Whittlesley influenced the design. The twenty-story building had coarsely detailed rows of double-hung aluminum windows set in white brick, corner balconies and a blocky elevator penthouse; a similarly dismal building faced Fifty-eight Street and was separated from its companion by a garden. The setback base of the building on Central Park South compromised the street wall that was so critical to the framing of the park."
The building has a two-step-down entrance, a revolving front door, a concierge, protruding air-conditioners, a garage, and spiked sidewalk landscaping. It is to the west of a fire engine company on 58th Street.
About 80 tenants in the building were notified yesterday that they could face eviction proceedings because of the planned demolition.
There are about 40 vacant apartments, about 45 rent-stabilized tenants and no rent-controlled tenants in the building. The remaining "market-rate" tenants would be asked to leave when their leases expire, or possibly to remain on month-to-month basis until the plan is completed.
Veronica W. Hackett, the managing partner of The Clarett Group, told CityRealty.com today that it plans to offer "substantial" relocation assistance and has a "geriatic counselor" to assist elderly tenants and has no plans "to throw tenants out on the street." The new building would be the tallest on the block, but Ms. Hackett indicated that architectural plans have not yet been finalized. The Clarett Group’s projects include the 55-story Sky House condominium tower under construction at 11 West 29th Street, Place 57, which is under construction at 207 East 57th Street, Chelsea House at 130 West 19th Street, 2770 Broadway, the Montrose at 308 East 38th Street, the Post Toscana at 389 East 89th Street and the Post Luminaria at 385 First Avenue.
http://www.cityrealty.com/graphics/V2/new_devs/menu/pixel.gif

londonlawyer
August 28th, 2006, 04:02 PM
Hi, JeffPark.

It's nice to hear from you. You hadn't posted for a while.

I was wondering what's going on with the 1960's-looking building on the west corner of CPS and 7th. It's facade is so run-down.

LOVE-NYC
August 28th, 2006, 04:07 PM
Thanks Jeff Park for the info on 220 CPS!
Can you tell me anything about 240 CPS??? I know it's rental building. Do you know if there are any plans to convert to condo or co-op?

LOVE-NYC
August 28th, 2006, 04:16 PM
Hi, JeffPark.

It's nice to hear from you. You hadn't posted for a while.

I was wondering what's going on with the 1960's-looking building on the west corner of CPS and 7th. It's facade is so run-down.


As far as I know they are currently renovating the entire front of the bulding...balconies were falling apart!

jeffpark
August 28th, 2006, 07:25 PM
According to our friend Lois, the developer of this property plans to make it even larger

NY-POST
August-09-2006

"Veronica Hackett's Clarett Group, has purchased the tiny Carnegie Hotel at 229 W. 58th St. for $20 million from Carnegie Real Estate.

It is a quick air rights hop to 220 Central Park South, which she plans to tear down and replace with a 41-story building. No plans have yet been filed for the new Cesar Pelli building and a sidewalk shed permit is merely for façade repair."

LOVE-NYC
August 29th, 2006, 09:09 AM
They did not only buy the littel hotel but also the former carpet shop to the left as well as the garage to the right of the hotel. Looks like it's going to be huge project. I'm just wondering...are they planning to build their 41 story building only on the park side or front and back (58th St.)? :rolleyes: On 58th St. none of the buidlings are taller than mabye 20 floors...at least on the stretch between 7th and Broadway.

londonlawyer
August 29th, 2006, 09:39 AM
They did not only buy the littel hotel but also the former carpet shop to the left as well as the garage to the right of the hotel. Looks like it's going to be huge project. I'm just wondering...are they planning to build their 41 story building only on the park side or front and back (58th St.)? :rolleyes: On 58th St. none of the buidlings are taller than mabye 20 floors...at least on the stretch between 7th and Broadway.

Do you have photos of the 58th St. properties?

LOVE-NYC
August 29th, 2006, 09:50 AM
Sorry, don't have any photos of the properties.

londonlawyer
September 8th, 2006, 12:10 AM
I walked by there last weekend and am pleased to report that all three buildings on the 58th street side are crap. There are, however, three beautiful little brick buildings further down the street.

lofter1
September 8th, 2006, 06:12 PM
Thanks, LL, for that heads up ... it turns out this stretch of W. 58th St. is another one of those blocks that I have rarely if ever walked down despte all my years in NYC.

The buildings on W. 58th between 240 CPW and 220 CPW are indeed pretty crappy -- one is a 5 story stucco coverd thin that appears to be shuttered, then there is a five story garage and then the back of 220 CPW (aka 217 - 223 W. 58th).

However, LL is correct that the next three brick buildings are complete GEMS.

Luckily the one right next to the backside of 220 is 215 W. 58th, an FDNY firehouse (so it isn't going anywhere) -- Engine Company 23 (http://nyfd.com/manhattan_engines/engine_23.html).

This building is LANDMARKED.

This is what she looks like (that's the white brick butt of 220 CPW / 217-223 W. 58th to the left):

http://nyfd.com/manhattan_engines/engine_23/fh.jpg

The building to the right of Co. 23 is 213 W. 58th -- a true beauty: a 5-story brick with stone base and a steep slate mansard roof (you can see a bit of her in the photo above).

According to DOB (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PropertyProfileOverviewServlet?requestid=3&bin=1024915&restore=1) this building is LANDMARKED.

It houses the Eric Butterworth (http://www.ericbutterworth.com/) Foundation, seemingly part of the UNITY Christian Church.

Next to that is 211 W. 58th, another sweet 5-story brick buidling that houses the Fazioli Salon at Klavierhaus (http://pianoculture.com/Fazioli.html),
with some of the most gorgeous pianos (http://pianoculture.com/KH1beta.html) you've ever seem visible through the front window.

According to DOB (http://a810-cofo.nyc.gov/cofo/M/000/062000/M000062011.PDF), 211 W. 58th has a total of 20 apartments on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th Floors.

This building is NOT LANDMARKED.

The new season opens at Fazioli at 211 W. 58th with a concert on September 22:


http://www.pianoculture.com/fazioli-logo2.jpg
salon
at Klavierhaus


Information at 212.245.4535


This September, a new home emerges
for jazz and classical solo piano in New York City.


211 West 58th street, NYC


9.22 JAMES WEIDMAN

Buy Tickets Now! (http://www.vendini.com/service/tickets/noJavaScript.html)

http://www.pianoculture.com/WEIDMANPS.jpg

New York-based pianist James Weidman is indisputably one of the world’s top sidemen. Over the years he has played and recorded with musicians as diverse as Max Roach, Woody Herman, Archie Shepp, James Moody, Greg Osby, Slide Hampton, Jay Hoggard, Marvin “Smitty” Smith, Gloria Lynne and blues diva Dakota Staton. Hear him in a rare solo concert at the Fazioli Salon.

9.29 HAROLD MABERN

http://www.pianoculture.com/imagesHM3.jpg

Since he arrived in NY in the 60s, the music world has been in awe of Harold Mabern's passion for making swinging, thoughtful music. Hear him solo 9/29 at 8pm!

10.6 FRANK KIMBROUGH

http://www.pianoculture.com/images.jpg

As a member of the Dewey Redman Quartet or inthe piano chair of Maria Schneider's Big Band, Frank Kimbrough is now a major player on the NY Piano Scene. Check him out solo October 6 at Klavierhaus, 211 west 58th Street, in the shadow of Carnegie Hall.


10.13 RODNEY KENDRICK


http://www.pianoculture.com/Rodney%20Kendrick.jpg


Rodney Kendrick has studied with Randy Weston, Barry Harris, Chris Anderson and many other masters of the jazz piano. His command of stride, swing, bop and the classics ensures a fabulous night indeed.


10.20 WEI YIN CHEN, SHARP RADWAY


http://www.pianoculture.com/SHARP%20RADWAY%20PS.jpg


Sharp Radway and Wei Yin Chen have both distinguished themselves as piano masters. Wei Yin will play a program of Ginastera and other classical composers, while Sharp Radway will explore the art of the solo piano ballad.


10.27 WEBER IAGO


http://www.pianoculture.com/WEBER%20IAGO%20PS.jpg


"I truly believe that artists should always worry less about what their music will be "called" and more about what it really "is". The difficulty with this idea is actually a very small problem compared to the big picture, which is true expression. The great French composer Claude Debussy described his own music as "having always existed in the Universe" and that he was nothing but a vessel through which the music passed and appeared to our senses. That makes the job of composing music seem a very humble one, doesn't it ?"


11.3 JOHN STETCH


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“Stetch’s crisp technique allows him to zip, smash and splash over the keyboard at will, creating stop-‘n’-start melodies, razzle-dazzle solos and bright conversations … a happy, welcoming feel to his music, despite its harmonic and rhythmic complexity …. expressive ebbs and flows and smart deployment of dynamics and space ….like hearing a painting by Miro or Matisse come to life…. playful technique and unfettered imagination … warm, swinging touch and crunchy chords … swings madly”...


11.10 JOVINO SANTOS NETO


http://www.pianoculture.com/Jovinopromo1.jpg

..an uninhibited young keyboard soloist who writes boppishly self-propelling numbers." Jack Massarick, The London Evening Standard"

"Soft, expressive waltzes and ballads were convincingly paired with juxtaposed dance rhythms; the borders between notated "serious" music, "intuitive" folk and "improvised" jazz were crossed to the point of becoming irrelevant. "Neue Zürcher Zeitung." Switzerland

" ...a warm, high-energy player, as fun to watch as he is to hear." Mark Fefer, Eastside Weekly.

lofter1
September 9th, 2006, 08:50 AM
The building to the right of Co. 23 is 213 W. 58th -- a true beauty: a 5-story brick with stone base and a steep slate mansard roof (you can see a bit of her in the photo above).

According to DOB (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PropertyProfileOverviewServlet?requestid=3&bin=1024915&restore=1) this building is LANDMARKED.

According to LPC the building at 213 W. 58th was originally the " Helen Miller Gould (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Miller_Gould) Stable". Helen was the first-born daughter of financier Jay Gould.

It is noted in the LPC document entitled the Jonathan W. Allen Stable Designation Report (http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/allenstable.pdf#search=%22%22Helen%20Miller%20Goul d%20Stable%22%22) at 148 East 40th St. (page 5, footnore 5) which also includes a short history of the consturction of stables in various parts of Manhattan. It is also noted in the George S. Bowdoin Stable Designation Report (http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/bowdoin.pdf#search=%22%22Helen%20Miller%20Gould%20 Stable%22%22) (149 East 38th St.) ...


Info from the Neighborhood Preservation Center (http://www.neighborhoodpreservationcenter.org/catalog/index.php?action=detail&resource_id=722&request=a%3A0%3A%7B%7D&start=0):
Helen Miller Gould Carriage House Landmark Designation Report
Now the Unity Center of Practical Christianity
Primary Author: Landmarks Preservation Commission
Year Published: 1989
Number of pages: 8
Resource Type: Report
Description: Note: Original Designation Report is titled, "Helen Miller Gould Stable"

lofter1
September 9th, 2006, 06:00 PM
It seems that Helen Gould Miller had good taste and the money to enjoy it ...

Scarab Ring & Scarab Amulet donated to the Met Museum (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/egam/ho_10.130.910_27.3.206.htm) (1910)

Heart Amulets donated to the Met Museum (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/egam/ho_10.130.1782_10.130.1804.htm) (1910)

Helen was also the prime DONOR (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9407E0DC1439F937A15750C0A9609582 60) for construction of the Gould Memorial Library (1900 -- designed by Stanford White) at New York University's old uptown campus (where, according to the NY Times, Helen attended the "N.Y.U. Law School in April 1895 in a class of 48 women in a law program separate from that for male students").

The Gould Memorial Library is located on the campus of what is now Bronx Community College at 180th Street between Sedgwick and University Avenues ...

http://dsc.gc.cuny.edu/part/part6/practice/kem5mast.jpg

Photo by Elena Kemelman.
Hall of Fame for Great Americans, Gould Memorial Library (center)
and Hall of Languages (right), Bronx Community College.

http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/april_06/images/bx_dome2.jpg
Interior oculus and dome, Gould Memorial Library, Bronx Community College

http://www.bcc.cuny.edu/hallofFame/more-images/rotunda2x.jpg
The Upper Gallery of the Rotunda in the Gould Memorial Library

Info on the Restoration (http://www.facademd.com/projects/fmd_projects_21.htm) of the Gould Memorial Library ...

Plaster barrel-vaulted ceiling:


http://www.facademd.com/graphics/GM4.jpg


Stained glass windows by Tiffany & Company:


http://www.facademd.com/graphics/GM3.jpg


Helen's money for the building of The Gould Memorial Library included funds
for the construction of the Hall of Fame for Great Americans (http://www.bcc.cuny.edu/hallofFame/?page=Architecture) :


http://www.bcc.cuny.edu/hallofFame/more-images/photogallery_12x.jpg


http://www.bcc.cuny.edu/hallofFame/more-images/photogallery_14x.jpg


More on the Hall of Fame for Great Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Hall_of_Fame_for_Great_Americans),
inlcuding the list of the first 29 persons to be selected
for inclusion in The Hall in 1900.


More photos of both The Library and The Hall at flickr (http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/218099912/)

lofter1
September 9th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Another trinket (http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/O0008738.html) that Helen Miller Gould donated to the MET ...

http://80.65.232.176/Photos/00/00/02/31/ME0000023186_3.JPG

Gold clasp decorated with a engraved medallion representing the Virgin and the Child

Date: Circa 500 AD - Dynasty of Justinian
Material: Gold
Artist: Anonymous
Models: Jesus-Christ, Blessed Virgin
Place: Metropolitan Museum of Art Byzance II Centers - Ground floor Window: V01
Area in relation: Byzantine

Acquisition: Gift of Helen Miller Gould (1910)

lofter1
September 9th, 2006, 08:06 PM
A couple more shots of Engine Company 23 ...

http://static.flickr.com/40/95501795_ac16de6d51_b.jpg

La Mariposa at flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/myszka/95501795/)


http://static.flickr.com/30/35396595_0d11fd8c28_b.jpg

Vidiot at flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vidiot/35396595/)

LOVE-NYC
September 11th, 2006, 10:04 AM
The buildings on W. 58th between 240 CPW and 220 CPW are indeed pretty crappy -- one is a 5 story stucco coverd thin that appears to be shuttered, then there is a five story garage and then the back of 240 CPW (aka 217 - 223 W. 58th).

However, LL is correct that the next three brick buildings are complete GEMS.

Luckily the one right next to the backside of 240 is 215 W. 58th, an FDNY firehouse (so it isn't going anywhere) -- Engine Company 23 (http://nyfd.com/manhattan_engines/engine_23.html).

This building is LANDMARKED.

This is what she looks like (that's the white brick butt of 240 CPW / 217-223 W. 58th to the left):

Thanks LOFTER for all the intresting info - you are a source for wealth of information about NYC! One minor correction though...the white brick butt is 220 and not 240 CPW! 220 CPW is supposed to be demolished along with the the three small buidlings on W58th (hotel, garage and former carpet shop).

I also heard that the public school on 58th (across the back of 220CPW) was bought by Trump as well as the former hard rock cafe on 57th Street. Aparently is is planning another one of his condos there...but don't know whether there is any truth to this rumor.

lofter1
September 11th, 2006, 10:07 AM
You are correct -- 220 and not 240 -- just a typo on my part.

I have edited / fixed the mistakes.

LOVE-NYC
September 11th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Didn't mean to be picky...!
I really enjoyed all your info, especially on the Helen Miller Gould Stable. Where do you find all this stuff?

lofter1
September 11th, 2006, 10:23 AM
as always ... GOOGLE !!! :cool:

londonlawyer
February 20th, 2007, 07:39 PM
Thanks LOFTER for all the intresting info - you are a source for wealth of information about NYC! One minor correction though...the white brick butt is 220 and not 240 CPW! 220 CPW is supposed to be demolished along with the the three small buidlings on W58th (hotel, garage and former carpet shop).

I also heard that the public school on 58th (across the back of 220CPW) was bought by Trump as well as the former hard rock cafe on 57th Street. Aparently is is planning another one of his condos there...but don't know whether there is any truth to this rumor.


The school and the Hardrock were bought by Extell. The Donald is too busy with his dumb show and with projects in New Rochelle and Tampa to develop in NYC.

jeffpark
February 25th, 2007, 10:22 AM
according to our friend M Stoler in the NY-SUN this past Thursday, worte
that (sore loser to Schwatzman of Blackstone on the EOP deal)
Steve Roth's Vornado Realty Trust
is a co-developer with Clarett Group, in this new development of 220 CPS

infoshare
February 25th, 2007, 11:14 AM
I would like to post a sky view but do not want to fire-up my google earth program and do the photoshop cut/resize image/paste thingy.

I have notice many sky-views posted on this site lately..... is there some new way of gettting them?

Here is a map view of 220 cps,,, which shows the unusual bloc-thru footprint (http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/mp/Address.do?brand=NYC&hseNumber=220+&strName=Central+Park+South&boro=1).;)

lofter1
February 25th, 2007, 12:09 PM
As you might have guessed I enjoy playing with maps :cool:

Google Earth doesn't show a very good image of 220 CPS ...

Regular old Google Map (hybrid) (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=220+central+park+south,+new+york,+ny&sll=40.767007,-73.980415&sspn=0.000859,0.002666&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=40.766987,-73.980035&spn=0.000859,0.002666&t=h&om=1) gives a much better view (map attached).

Given the layout of this site at 220 CPS it seems that a 15 CPW two-tower type design (with a shorter tower along CPS and a much taller tower fronting onto W. 58th) would be great here. Personally I'd rather see any large tower that will inevitably go up here be pulled back from the CPS streetwall -- and thereby maintain a park-fronting streetwall more in line with the heights which currently exist on that block. If they go that way then they should also pull the east / west walls of the taller tower in from the edges of the plot -- and avoid 50 stories of blank side walls. Seemingly the lots just to the east on W. 58th are Landmarked so theoretically nothing can go up high on that side. However the lots to the west on W. 58th between 220 & 240 are ripe for development.

The Helmsley Park Lane at the other end of CPS went the other way (a singular tall tower right on CPS) and the result: Horrid blank side walls reaching to the sky http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif.

http://www.travelnewyork.com/park_lane_exterior.jpg

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lofter1
February 25th, 2007, 12:38 PM
The facade restoration of 240 CPS is getting close to completion -- she looks far better than she did just a short while back. We can only hope that at some point in the future they coordinate the window replacements so there is a more uniform look. And that the thru-window AC units will disappear (however that is really not likely here).

Along CPS ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Columbus%20Circle/240CPS_01b2.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Columbus%20Circle/240CPS_01a.jpg

And from W 58th (the courtyard back here is currently an expanse of cement -- but they are doing work in the courtyard area and one can only hope that they have something nice planned aside from concrete) ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Columbus%20Circle/240CPS_02b.jpg

The way 240 is situated on this plot (the buildings don't reach all the way to the lot line on the east) could allow for something beside a blank wall on the lot just to the east along W 58th when it inevitably gets redeveloped (Google Map hybrid of 240 CPS and neighboring lots to the east (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=240+central+park+south,+new+york,+ny&sll=40.767245,-73.980963&sspn=0.001727,0.005332&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=40.767432,-73.981129&spn=0.001727,0.005332&t=h&om=1)) ...

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infoshare
February 25th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Google Earth doesn't show a very good image of 220 CPS ...

Regular old Google Map (hybrid) (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=220+central+park+south,+new+york,+ny&sll=40.767007,-73.980415&sspn=0.000859,0.002666&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=40.766987,-73.980035&spn=0.000859,0.002666&t=h&om=1) gives a much better view (map attached).



Thanks for tip about google maps/earth hybrid: the images are more crisp. I will start using that as a short-cut for posting aerial views. Yet, what I like about G-earth is that the ability to select a particular hight/angle of view.

I used G-earth program to get (attached) a closer look; from looking at the standard map view I thought that 220 cps was one large building - now it appears to me to be two seperate buildings.

Thanks again.....you rock!:)

lofter1
February 25th, 2007, 01:21 PM
It's hard to see in the shadows ^^^ there could be a very low-rise connector between the "two" buildings.

stache
February 25th, 2007, 05:07 PM
lofter do you know anything about those dopey mosaic murals above the entrance, or has this already been covered?

lofter1
February 25th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Since you called them "dopey" I'm not sure I want to spend the time required to give you info on the murals ;)

But you did get me wondering ...

I found that doing google searches for both "240 Central Park South" and "Central Park South Apartments" (the other name this building goes by) still hasn't yielded specific info on the murals ...

The architects for 240 CPS were Mayer & Whittlesley (who also did 220 CPS, along with M. Milton Glass). The City Review (http://www.thecityreview.com/cps/cps240.html) says only this about the murals:


It has a concierge, many balconies, many corner windows and very colorful mosaic murals on the second and third floors above its courtyard, canopied entrance on Central Park South.

I can't find any connection between this little fact and the murals, but Antoine de Saint-Exupery (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B02E1D91530F931A15757C0A9679C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print) moved into a high floor apartment at 240 CPS when the building opened.

Another tidbit: The building (http://scifipedia.scifi.com/index.php/240_Central_Park_South) is the home of Lois Lane in the Superman films of the late 70's and eighties.

stache
February 25th, 2007, 09:04 PM
Maybe it's just me, but they look like cover art for a Marlo Thomas dvd.

londonlawyer
June 4th, 2007, 01:55 PM
The insurance agent that was located at 220 CPS (on the 58th St. side) moved. A resident also informed me that the developer is trying to buy the tenants out, but that they're "fighting". Hopefully, this piece of junk will be razed soon.

antinimby
August 30th, 2007, 05:30 PM
A snippet of news from the NY Sun today (http://www.nysun.com/article/61584?page_no=2)...


...Next year, demolition is expected to begin on the 20-story, 124-unit residential rental apartment building at 220 Central Park South. The building, finished in 1954, is a through-block that extends to West 58th Street. The property was acquired in August 2005 for $132 million by a joint venture of Clarett Group and Vornado Realty Trust. Many of the tenants have vacated the building, which will be demolished to make way for a 41-story glass condominium tower. Units are expected to sell for more than $2,500 a square foot...

londonlawyer
August 30th, 2007, 05:40 PM
A snippet of news from the NY Sun today (http://www.nysun.com/article/61584?page_no=2)...

I saw that this morning. This is great news!

Fabrizio
August 30th, 2007, 06:28 PM
This is good news and will be interesting to watch after the success of 15CPW. I wonder if the idea will be to match the exclusivity of that building and the Plaza.

zinka
April 25th, 2008, 04:09 PM
Is this project still alive? Any news?

londonlawyer
June 14th, 2008, 08:39 AM
This project is moving forward. Rent control makes me sick though. It's absurd that these greedy tenants are holding out for more than $1m each.

Hiroko Masuike for The New York Times

"A Victory for Tenants"

Published: June 15, 2008

OFF the construction-choked streets of Manhattan, tenants are in court fighting condominium developers, in search of justice — or at least a bigger settlement.


At 220 Central Park South, 22 tenants recently won a small victory in State Supreme Court in Manhattan that could eventually delay the demolition of their building for a 41-story glass tower. In a ruling on June 4, Justice Paul G. Feinman found that state law may require the state to conduct a formal environmental review, including a study of what effect the project, and its influx of wealthy buyers, “may have on population patterns or existing community character.”

The decision rejected efforts by the developers, the Clarett Group and Vornado Realty Trust, to dismiss the tenant suit.

Jack L. Lester, a lawyer for the tenants, said the ruling marked the first time a court had found that environmental regulations might be used to protect tenants under the state’s rent-stabilization law.

Veronica W. Hackett, the managing partner of the Clarett Group, minimized the decision’s significance. She said that a state hearing officer had been assigned to the group’s eviction case and that she expected the hearings to get under way soon.

James Plastiras, a spokesman for the State Division of Housing and Community Renewal, suggested that the hearings might be delayed because of the lawsuit. “We are reviewing all possible options,” he said.

The proposed demolition, announced last year, involves the eviction of 80 tenants from a large postwar building. All but 30 tenants have since left the building, including market-rent tenants and rent-regulated tenants who have accepted buyouts.

Mr. Lester said the tenants he represents had rejected an offer of $1 million per apartment to leave the building and were seeking a higher offer.

They include Jean E. Shimotake, a partner at the law firm of White & Case, and Leighton Candler, a well-known broker at the Corcoran Group. Ms. Candler was recently selected to handle the sale of the late Brooke Astor’s duplex co-op at 778 Park Avenue with an asking price $46 million.

E-mail: bigdeal@nytimes.com

Derek2k3
June 14th, 2008, 10:53 AM
"...may require the state to conduct a formal environmental review, including a study of what effect the project, and its influx of wealthy buyers, may have on population patterns or existing community character.”

This is ridiculous.

nykid17
June 14th, 2008, 02:40 PM
1mil/ 1 apt, thats absurd. These guys are cheaing people and aren't even trying to make it look like their trying to be fair. The apartments their going to build are definately going to be worth 4 -5 times that if not more. This is on CENTRAL PARK. Everything turns to gold that gets built along here, the ultimate amenity. They should at least try and look fair and not the cheap exploiting bums they are.

LabradorLove
June 14th, 2008, 08:22 PM
paying someone $1m to move out of an apartment they do not own is absurd. But not because -- as you imply -- it is too little.

A partner in a law firm? This is a joke. Paying someone $1m to move out is crazy. They should all be de-controlled and kicked out for refusing that.

Who is cheating whom? You're so far off base

antinimby
June 14th, 2008, 11:20 PM
"...may require the state to conduct a formal environmental review, including a study of what effect the project, and its influx of wealthy buyers, may have on population patterns or existing community character.”

This is ridiculous.It's beyond ridiculous. It's absolutely ludricrous. I can't believe the State Supreme Court can even make that kind of absurd statement.

So in this "free" country, there are neighborhoods in which if you have money, you can't live in and that neighborhood just happens to be on Central Park South?

londonlawyer
September 18th, 2008, 11:58 AM
Have the crappy hotel and garage on 58th St. been razed yet? Obviously, this project won't be built any time soon, but I'd at least like to see the crap razed.

Since I'm stuck in the sticks, I can't survey the site myself.

lofter1
January 15th, 2009, 10:02 AM
MODS: Could this thread title be altered to read:

220 and 240 Central Park South

The current thread title, with four three-letter words including the abbreviation for Central Park South, does not register on a search.

I entered the existing thread title into "Search Titles Only" and come up with this result:


Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.


A case where a thread title is both insufficient and unhelpful.

lofter1
January 15th, 2009, 10:21 AM
The building at 225 227 West 58th Street (next door to the 58th Street side of the 220 Central Park South building) has been demolished and now there is a big "EXTELL" sign posted on the fence there. DOB shows a Demo Permit (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=104867592&passdocnumber=01) signed off in August 2008, but the Job Overview (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=1&allbin=1024913&allstrt=WEST+++58+STREET&allnumbhous=227) for the address has no substantial news of any plans for this site.

Two buildings to the west, 229 and 231 W. 58th, both look empty and near the end of their useful lives.

For now the cleared site at 225-227 is being used as a parking lot for some heavy equipment, including an Escalade ...

*

londonlawyer
January 15th, 2009, 11:45 AM
Thanks for the update, Lofter. I can't wait to see these eyesores razed. It's amazing that these underutilized properties are one block from Central Park.

londonlawyer
April 7th, 2009, 11:13 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04072009

business/tower_power_on_central_park_163256.htm
TOWER POWER ON CENTRAL PARK

April 7, 2009

THE state Appellate Divi sion -- the same folks who recently clobbered Tishman Speyer by ruling that deregulating rent-stabilized apartments at Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village was illegal -- just helped Vornado Realty Trust and Clarett Group get out of a pickle with their own tenant antagonists.

The development partnership, known as Madave Properties SPE, had been stymied by two different court cases before the same judge in its quest to vacate 220 Central Park South in order to demolish it and replace it with a new apartment tower.

But last week, the Appellate panel unanimously reversed a lower-court ruling that could have indefinitely stalled the already behind-schedule razing of the 22-story rent-stabilized, white-brick apartment building between Broadway and Columbus Circle.

Vornado and Clarett bought 220 CPS in 2005 for $131.5 million, with plans to knock it down and replace it with a 41-story, glass apartment tower. Under state law, the Division of Housing and Community Renewal may permit a landlord to deny lease renewals to rent-stabilized tenants in buildings to be razed as long as certain requirements are met.

The developers began buying out tenants and sought the DHCR's blessing not to renew leases of those still at 220 CPS in May 2006. But the agency held off while an unrelated lawsuit involving DHCR and similar applications at certain buildings owned by a different developer wended its way through the courts.

In that case, first heard by Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Paul G. Feinman, tenants claimed DHCR's rules did not adequately define what was meant by the word "demolition" -- and Feinman agreed with them.

The Appellate Division reversed Feinman last June, but the delay had by then cost Vornado and Clarett a year. Then, during the same month, Fein man sided with 20-odd remaining tenants of 220 CPS in a suit they filed in 2007, ar guing that DHCR should produce an environmental impact statement before allowing Madave to deny lease renewals in preparation for demolition.

Although Feinman's ruling didn't require DHCR to get an EIS, it would have allowed the tenants to continue pressing their claim to make the agency do so -- a process that could have delayed the project for years more.

The developers opposed the decision for obvious reasons. DHCR also took issue with it on the basis that the agency lacks expertise to conduct an environmental impact study and that environmental review is not part of its mission. ...

PS: This crap can't come down soon enough. It's amazing that this blighted block sits on some of the most expensive real estate in the world.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6781&d=1232032716

avngingandbright
April 7th, 2009, 02:04 PM
Then again, I don't know how many more dirt lots this area can afford to be hit with, especially in the down economy.

Merry
April 9th, 2009, 06:03 AM
Since you called them "dopey" I'm not sure I want to spend the time required to give you info on the murals ;)

The City Review (http://www.thecityreview.com/cps/cps240.html) says only this about the murals:


It has a concierge, many balconies, many corner windows and very colorful mosaic murals on the second and third floors above its courtyard, canopied entrance on Central Park South.

From the Guide to New York City Landmarks:

"...One of the largest luxury apartment buildings of its day, it has an entrance court decorated with "The Quiet City", a mosaic by Amedee Ozenfant."


A Model of High-Density Residential Development

By CHRISTOPHER GRAY

Published: Sunday, February 9, 1997

...Over the front door is a brilliantly colored mosaic panel, ''The Quiet City,'' by the artist Amedee Ozenfant, who worked with Le Corbusier. Otherwise the exterior is undecorated in the traditional sense, but the patterns of the delicately framed casement windows still make an elegant statement...

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/09/realestate/a-model-of-high-density-residential-development.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=1


Taking a Fresh Look at Columbus Circle

By FRANCIS MORRONE (http://www.nysun.com/authors/Francis+Morrone) | August 7, 2008

...The building is splendidly massed. On Central Park South, east and west wings project out to meet the sidewalk, while the high center tower, with the building's entrance, is set back from the street behind an anomalous and lovely garden. Above the entrance is a beautiful mosaic mural, "The Quiet City," by Amédée Ozenfant, one of the least known of the most important names in the history of Modernist art. Painter, theorist, and teacher, he was closely associated with Le Corbusier, Fernand Léger, and Erich Mendelsohn, and, after coming to New York in 1939, operated the Ozenfant School of Fine Arts here...

http://www.nysun.com/calendar/taking-a-fresh-look-at-columbus-circle/83318/

ablarc
April 9th, 2009, 07:05 AM
Better a building than a vacant lot full of parked cars.

BrooklynRider
April 11th, 2009, 02:40 PM
SHHHHHHHH!!! Don't let McSam hear you!!

Derek2k3
April 16th, 2009, 10:50 PM
The building at 225 227 West 58th Street (next door to the 58th Street side of the 220 Central Park South building) has been demolished and now there is a big "EXTELL" sign posted on the fence there. DOB shows a Demo Permit (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=104867592&passdocnumber=01) signed off in August 2008, but the Job Overview (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=1&allbin=1024913&allstrt=WEST+++58+STREET&allnumbhous=227) for the address has no substantial news of any plans for this site.

Two buildings to the west, 229 and 231 W. 58th, both look empty and near the end of their useful lives.

For now the cleared site at 225-227 is being used as a parking lot for some heavy equipment, including an Escalade ...

*

Permits for an 18-story Cetra Ruddy designed tower.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=3&passjobnumber=120007116&passdocnumber=01

ASchwarz
April 17th, 2009, 12:10 AM
The 18-floor building is on a separate lot on the 58th Street side.

The taller tower is on Central Park South.

They're both Extell, but different projects.

Derek2k3
April 17th, 2009, 01:01 AM
Are you sure this building on CPS is not Clarett's project at 220 CPS?
What's the address of the building?

avngingandbright
April 17th, 2009, 09:26 AM
Wow, Extell has their hands full in this area. Let's sincerely hope they haven't bit off more than they can chew.

lofter1
April 17th, 2009, 10:39 AM
The empty lot at 225-227 W 58 is just to the west of 220 CPW's 58th Street plot (217-223 W 58).

DEMO (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=104867592&passdocnumber=01) for 225 W 58 was signed off at DOB last August.

The two new Apps for 225-227 were OK'd by DOB just last week (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=3&allbin=1024913&allstrt=WEST+++58+STREET&allnumbhous=225):


CONSTRUCT NEW BUILDING
TAKE TEST PITS FOR FUTURE NEW BUILDING

ASchwarz
April 18th, 2009, 12:40 AM
Are you sure this building on CPS is not Clarett's project at 220 CPS?
What's the address of the building?

Yeah, what Lofter said, and I had heard that the 58th street building would be rentals and built on a separate timeline. This was a while ago, though.

Derek2k3
April 18th, 2009, 12:46 AM
So the other building your talking about is actually Clarett's building at 220 CPS. Therefore there is no 2nd Extell building fronting CPS.

ASchwarz
April 18th, 2009, 12:50 AM
Oops, you're right; my bad.

These two sites were bundled at some point as a package, and I thought Extell had both, but Clarett has the CPS property, so they're obviously unbundled at this point.

So Clarett has the condo portion on CPS, and Extell has the rental portion on 58th. Sorry about that.

juniorflipper
April 27th, 2009, 02:18 PM
I've heard there are several tenants in their 80's in that awful building, some allegedly in wheelchairs. The building is decrepit and so are they. I'm tired of this "senior sympathy." Just because people live in a place for 30 or 40 years as tenants doesn't mean they have a right to stay there. This is B.S. There are plenty of nice Salvation Army senior accommodations they can go to. I've worked hard for my money, and if I can afford a $10 million condo on CPS, I have a right to buy it. This is ridiculous sentimental crap. Get them out of there now and knock the building down.

infoshare
April 27th, 2009, 06:27 PM
I've heard there are several tenants in their 80's in that awful building, some allegedly in wheelchairs.


Excerpt from a previous Wiredny post - http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=117180&postcount=2

Veronica W. Hackett, the managing partner of The Clarett Group, told CityRealty.com today that it plans to offer "substantial" relocation assistance and has a "geriatic counselor" to assist elderly tenants and has no plans "to throw tenants out on the street."

NoyokA
April 27th, 2009, 07:38 PM
I've heard there are several tenants in their 80's in that awful building, some allegedly in wheelchairs. The building is decrepit and so are they. I'm tired of this "senior sympathy." Just because people live in a place for 30 or 40 years as tenants doesn't mean they have a right to stay there. This is B.S. There are plenty of nice Salvation Army senior accommodations they can go to. I've worked hard for my money, and if I can afford a $10 million condo on CPS, I have a right to buy it. This is ridiculous sentimental crap. Get them out of there now and knock the building down.

Disgusting.

ZippyTheChimp
April 27th, 2009, 08:52 PM
I've worked hard for my money,What do you do?

BrooklynRider
April 27th, 2009, 09:04 PM
I've heard there are several tenants in their 80's in that awful building, some allegedly in wheelchairs. The building is decrepit and so are they. I'm tired of this "senior sympathy." Just because people live in a place for 30 or 40 years as tenants doesn't mean they have a right to stay there. This is B.S. There are plenty of nice Salvation Army senior accommodations they can go to. I've worked hard for my money, and if I can afford a $10 million condo on CPS, I have a right to buy it. This is ridiculous sentimental crap. Get them out of there now and knock the building down.

Wow! Talk about exemplifying all that is wrong with this country and the gap between the rich and poor. Apparently, a person with all the money in the world can be more bitter, angry, mean-spirited and hateful than people living in poverty without a pot to piss in; however, in this case, it appears that the person with the millions is truly destitute.

lofter1
April 28th, 2009, 12:23 AM
Just because people live in a place for 30 or 40 years as tenants doesn't mean they have a right to stay there.

You horrid cow.

First, read up on the laws of NYS and you'll find that they DO have a legislated right to continue to live there. And they can pass the units on to their children and other close relatives who might live with them.

Second, cry and moan all you want. Wrong is wrong. You're just so wrong in so many ways. Keep crying about how your money gives you more rights. Cry yourself to sleep. Then do us all a favor and don't wake up.

ASchwarz
April 28th, 2009, 12:32 AM
Wow! Talk about exemplifying all that is wrong with this country and the gap between the rich and poor.

Umm, are you alleging that people living on Central Park South are poor?? So poor as to live in the poshest part of the most expensive city on earth, and so poor as to reject $200,000 buyouts? Wow, and I thought the poor were Zimbabwe, not on CPS.

I have poor relatives in Central Mexico. I should tell them about the poverty-stricken residents of a CPS doorman highrise.


Apparently, a person with all the money in the world can be more bitter, angry, mean-spirited and hateful than people living in poverty without a pot to piss in;

You're referring to the extortionist tenants, I assume?


however, in this case, it appears that the person with the millions is truly destitute

The fact that that there are two rich parties fighting it out does not mean that the slightly less wealthy party has the moral upper hand regardless of conduct.

ASchwarz
April 28th, 2009, 12:35 AM
First, read up on the laws of NYS and you'll find that they DO have a legislated right to continue to live there.

Just because a law exists does not mean it is morally correct.

It is illegal for gays to marry, yet if I support the changing of this law, it does not make me a "horrid cow".

Similarly, New York State is basically the only place on earth where there are World War II "emergency" rent controls, but it does not make someone bad for speaking up against this ridiculous scam.

WWII is over. Cut the crap. If you think a special class of privledged Manhattan residents should be subsidized by the rest of the city, then say so.

lofter1
April 28th, 2009, 01:35 AM
Gay Marriage in this instance is a straw man argument if I ever saw one. Or as you put it yourself: Crap.

So, all laws are created equal? Baby with the bathwater, eh? Quite the rejoinder.

I say that in the vast majority of cases that the law as it exists serves the purpose for which it was created: Maintaining some sense of housing stability in the neighborhoods of NYC and other municipalities.

BTW: The Rent Stabilization Law went into effect in 1969 -- not after WW2. It was the the previous version of rent laws which was Rent Control. That only covers older units -- and only 2% of all NYC housing. And RC units do not pass as such to new tenants in covered buildings. New tenants are covered by RS. Which has been chiseled away in the past 15 years so many units are taken out of Stabilization each year. But that may be changing soon. One might want to study up.

Meanwhile, it seems the horrid cow shoe fits, and is being worn proudly.

And what amount of funds would it take to move all those decrepit wheel-chair bound tenants (so named and despised by our young self-proclaimed "flipper") into taxpayer funded housing?

And wouldn't that be a bigger form of subsized residential housing than what we have now?

Fabrizio
April 28th, 2009, 04:28 AM
Can we just stop and savour this:


I've heard there are several tenants in their 80's in that awful building, some allegedly in wheelchairs. The building is decrepit and so are they. I'm tired of this "senior sympathy."

And I love that ASchwarz, ever full of wrong information and skewered logic, chimes in with this beauty:



It is illegal for gays to marry, yet if I support the changing of this law, it does not make me a "horrid cow".

And this:




Similarly, New York State is basically the only place on earth where there are World War II "emergency" rent controls,

No matter how you define it, or it's reason for being... rent control is alive and well in other parts of the world as well.


--

lofter1
April 28th, 2009, 10:28 AM
I slept poorly last night, realizing an apology was due.

To the entire bovine population: I'm truly sorry.

I shouldn't have slurred you in such a vile manner.

To spare the cows, and using an outdated WNY acronym, I should have writ:

"You horrid POS."

ASchwarz
April 28th, 2009, 01:26 PM
And I love that ASchwarz, ever full of wrong information and skewered logic, chimes in with this beauty:--

Wrong again. Please identify the "wrong information" and "skewered logic".

I am correct that gays cannot marry in NY State, and I am correct that a forumer was labeled a "Horrid Cow" soley for disagreeing with existing state rent laws. No problem with info or logic.


And this:
No matter how you define it, or it's reason for being... rent control is alive and well in other parts of the world as well.

That's not what I wrote. NY is the only place I know of with WWII emergency rent laws.

We do NOT have rent laws based on income or any other relevant factor. In fact, rent controlled apartments tend to be held by some of the most privlieged people in the city. The fact is that I could be the richest man on earth this year, and I could legally hold a rent-controlled apartment.

If you want rent laws, there may be reasonable ways of implementing such a law. We have rent laws exclusively based on a housing emergency in the early 1940's.

lofter1
April 29th, 2009, 12:08 AM
The "horrid" comment was not due to any disagreement over a legal point, but rather for the utter disregard and hatred shown towards those who the poster deemed to be "decrepit" and useless.

lofter1
April 29th, 2009, 12:18 AM
We have rent laws exclusively based on a housing emergency in the early 1940's.

Study up, AS.

A mere 2% of the NY housing stock remains under control of the WW2 era laws that you keep harping about. You'll be happy to know that Rent Control will be a thing of the past before too long.

The more recent laws which govern Rent Stablized units are based upon a shortage of housing. That shortage is deemed, in legalese, an "emergency" when the vacancy rate is below 5%. Which is where it has stood for my entire lifetime, and no doubt yours. This year the vacancy rate is a very low 2.88% (http://www.urbanelephants.com/index.php/component/content/681.html?task=view). Happily the rent laws have been extended and its quite possible that, after 15 years of chipping away at rights previously granted to tenants, better legislation will soon be passed to protect those who rent housing in NYC.

londonlawyer
August 7th, 2009, 05:14 PM
220 Central Park South is largely empty. Some doctors had offices in there, but they've moved. Hopefully, Pelli designs a gem here.

Also, the following was filed with the DOB on 8/5/09:

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=120041114&passdocnumber=02

lofter1
August 7th, 2009, 09:42 PM
This was recently filed for 220 CPS (aka 216 W 59th (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PropertyProfileOverviewServlet?requestid=10&bin=1024914) / 216-220 CPS / 217-223 W 58th):

PLAN EXAM (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=9&passjobnumber=120045860&passdocnumber=01) - APPROVED 07/07/2009


UNDERPIN BUILDING IN CONJUNCTION WITH ADJACENT NEW BUILDING.
NO CHANGE IN USE EGRESS OR OCCUPANCY.
ADJACENT NEW BUILDING # 120007116 (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=14&passjobnumber=120007116&passdocnumber=01)

That "Adjacent New Building" site is located on the lot at 225 West 58th (aka 225-227 W 58).

Info for that New Building Job No: 120007116 (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=14&passjobnumber=120007116&passdocnumber=01):

PERMIT ISSUED - PARTIAL JOB 06/25/2009

Architect: John Cetra / CETRA/CRI ARCHITECTURE, PLLC

Height: 185'
Stories: 18
Dwelling Units: 50

This project got slapped with a Stop Work Order (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/ComplaintsByAddressServlet?requestid=16&allbin=1024913&fillerdata=A) this week (now resolved):


WATER STANDING AT BOTTOM OF EXCAVATION CREATING A HARZARDOUS CONDITION.

londonlawyer
August 7th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Thanks for the info, Lofter.

londonlawyer
October 8th, 2009, 10:41 AM
I walked by this site yesterday and was dismayed to see that these filthy broken down eyesores are still standing.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6781&d=1232032716

londonlawyer
November 1st, 2009, 02:30 AM
Has there been any activity on the 58th Steet sites (i.e., the ones shown above)?

KenNYC
November 3rd, 2009, 02:12 PM
Nah, those beauties are still around.

londonlawyer
November 3rd, 2009, 02:18 PM
Thanks, Ken.

Thoses POS's will be gone soon enough. I did a google streetview search of this block, and it showed construction equipment on the empty parcel. I assumed that it's a recent photo and hoped that these empty eyesores were gone too.

lofter1
November 6th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Has there been any activity on the 58th Steet sites (i.e., the ones shown above)?

Other than some pooling of stagnant water it's about as dead as can be ...

225 West 58th:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Columbus%20Circle/091105_225W58_1.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Columbus%20Circle/091105_225W58_2.jpg

225 W 58

londonlawyer
November 7th, 2009, 07:01 AM
Thanks, Lofter.

londonlawyer
November 12th, 2009, 12:00 PM
A NB permit was filed last month.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=3&passjobnumber=104555107&passdocnumber=09

antinimby
November 12th, 2009, 12:55 PM
If they haven't torn down 220 yet, how can they move forward?

lofter1
November 12th, 2009, 02:10 PM
It's preliminary; they just got their Plan approved. This is the 9th Application under "New Building" for 220. DOB shows that previous applications on this list (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB2CommentsServlet?requestid=8&passjobnumber=104555107&allbin=1024914) include three which state:


FILED HEREWTIH TO CHANGE OWNER STATEMENT & DHCR

Seems that has something to do with the current RS occupants.

Or perhaps this:


PROVIDE LETTER FROM HPD FOR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PER BOROUGH COMMISSIONER RECON.

TCO FOR LOWER INCOME BUILDING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS NEW BUILDING.


Also note that Document #5 states:


HEREWITH FILING REVISED SCHEDULE A AND ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. REVISED PW1 IND ICATING CHANGE IN HEIGHT. OLD HEIGHT: 507 NEW HEIGHT: 576.

The Approved Plan says 41 floors.

londonlawyer
November 12th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Lofter,

Does this suggest that they're giving some of the tenants apartments in this building?

lofter1
November 12th, 2009, 02:40 PM
It's really not clear, but my guess would be that the "inclusionary housing" component will be at a different site.

It all depends on how good a negotiator a tenant might be and how much that tenant wants to pay a lawyer to negotiate the deal.

RS requirement is that tenants displaced from RS units due to demo / new construction must be given comparable accommodations. Very vague and broad.

londonlawyer
November 12th, 2009, 04:08 PM
I wonder if they'll go in the units that Extell is building on the north side of 58th Street.

As I recall, the remaining tenants turned down over $1m each to relocate.

lp640
November 12th, 2009, 04:09 PM
220 + 240 Central Park South are both beyond ugly.

londonlawyer
November 12th, 2009, 04:14 PM
I agree about 220, but 240 is a beauty in my opinion. The problem is that it's very poorly maintained. My former girlfriend lived there, and it's a dump inside. Also, all of the A/C units look like crap. With some TLC, this gem could be restored to its glory. The cleaning it received recently was a good start.

Merry
November 13th, 2009, 07:03 AM
Central Park South Rental Relic Finally Getting Wrecked?

November 12, 2009, by Joey

http://www.curbed.com/uploads/archives/2006_3_220cps.jpg

There is new momentum in the plan to replace the post-war rental building at 220 Central Park South with a glassy and modern (and way luxurious, 'natch) 41-story condo tower: New paperwork has been filed! First, the background: the 20-story, 124-unit building was purchased by a joint venture of the Clarett Group and Vornado Realty Trust in 2005. Years of legal wrangling (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/04/07/central_park_stabies_dealt_blow.php) with rental tenants followed, but the developers have won key victories of late. Over the summer a permit was filed to underpin the building in conjunction with a new adjacent project. That, as a Wired New Yorker (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=293274&postcount=72) points out, is Extell's project at 225 West 58th Street (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/04/22/actual_real_construction_coming_to_chelsea_columbu s_circle.php) from architects Cetra/Ruddy. Last month a new permit was issued at 220 Central Park South with the note (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=3&passjobnumber=104555107&passdocnumber=09) that previous audit objections have been satisfied. Not satisfied: Our desire to see architect Luigi Russo of SLCE Architects (http://www.slcearch.com/)'s vision for the site. C'mon, the plans have been floating around for years, someone's got to have a rendering lying around. Hit us up (tips@curbed.com).

Job Overview: 220 Central Park South (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=1&allbin=1024914&allstrt=CENTRAL+PARK+SOUTH&allnumbhous=220) [DOB]
220 Central Park South coverage (http://curbed.com/tags/220-central-park-south) [Curbed]

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/11/12/central_park_south_rental_relic_finally_getting_wr ecked.php

lofter1
November 13th, 2009, 12:09 PM
^ :confused:

londonlawyer
November 16th, 2009, 08:49 PM
The building at 225 227 West 58th Street (next door to the 58th Street side of the 220 Central Park South building) has been demolished and now there is a big "EXTELL" sign posted on the fence there. DOB shows a Demo Permit (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=104867592&passdocnumber=01) signed off in August 2008, but the Job Overview (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=1&allbin=1024913&allstrt=WEST+++58+STREET&allnumbhous=227) for the address has no substantial news of any plans for this site.

Two buildings to the west, 229 and 231 W. 58th, both look empty and near the end of their useful lives.

For now the cleared site at 225-227 is being used as a parking lot for some heavy equipment, including an Escalade ...

*

Propertyshark indicates that the same owner owns 229 W 58th St and 220 CPS, but a different entity owns 231, and yet another owner -- Extell's Broadway Trio LLC -- owns the now empty lot at 227. I assume (and hope) that they're all commonly owned and that these pieces of mierda will be razed soon.

lofter1
December 8th, 2009, 12:48 AM
A fantastic PHOTO (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=1041767&imageID=1558535&total=106&num=80&word=columbus%20circle&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pos=87&e=w) of 240 Central Park South when it was fresh, new and nearly complete (notice the dangling scaffold near the center).

lofter1
December 8th, 2009, 12:53 AM
THE VIEW (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=772303&imageID=1509209&total=79&num=40&word=central%20park%20south&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pos=56&e=w&cdonum=0) of that same corner before 240 CPS went up there, from a balcony at the Mayflower Hotel (where 15 CPW now stands).

Merry
December 8th, 2009, 09:17 AM
A fantastic PHOTO (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=1041767&imageID=1558535&total=106&num=80&word=columbus%20circle&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pos=87&e=w) of 240 Central Park South when it was fresh, new and nearly complete (notice the dangling scaffold near the center).

Stunning. And no ugly air conditioning units :).

lofter1
December 8th, 2009, 12:03 PM
Yes, that ^ seems to be the trick to maintain the sleek Art Moderne look.

Plus the skinny mullions of the original windows (many now replaced with thicker ones).

antinimby
December 8th, 2009, 12:08 PM
I find it amazing and odd at the same time, that out of all the places in this city, there wasn't some stunning, large, highly ornate building built in one of the most prominent spots of the city where 240 is now.

lofter1
December 8th, 2009, 06:56 PM
If not for the Great Depression that corner may well have gotten something flashier. But highly ornate wasn't the mode when 240 CPS (http://www.thecityreview.com/cps/cps240.html) went up in 1941. It was the beginning of Modernism, and ornate was old hat.

Prior to the arrival of 240 CPS that corner housed a low slung building topped by billboards. Columbus Circle was the center of auto-related businesses, with the General Motors Building (now renamed and being re-clad as 3CC (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/20/switching-brands-in-the-skyline/?scp=10&sq=columbus%20circle%20hippodrome&st=cse)) kitty corner across W 58th, the US Rubber Company (tires) in their building on the SE corner of Broadway & W 58th, and the BF Goodrich building (also tires) just to the south at 1780 Broadway (recently Landmarked (http://curbed.com/tags/225-west-57th-street) and part of Extell's 225 West 57th development).

PHOTO (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=408937&imageID=719136F&total=79&num=60&word=central%20park%20south&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pos=65&e=w&cdonum=0): Looking across Columbus Circle towards the 240 CPS site in 1924

PHOTO (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=408940&imageID=719139F&total=1&num=0&word=columbus%20circle%20general%20motors&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pos=1&e=w&cdonum=0): Manhattan: Columbus Circle - 59th Street (West) - 8th Avenue. [General Motors Corporation ; United States Rubber Company.] (1930?)

Even before automobiles arrived Columbus Circle was about transportation. Back when horses were king Durland's Riding Academy (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchresult.cfm?keyword=durland%27s&submit.x=0&submit.y=0) (home to the NY Riding Club) used to sit where the Trump International now stands. The first Durland's went up in 1887 (PHOTO (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=408954&imageID=719153F&word=columbus%20circle%20academy&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&total=10&num=0&imgs=20&pNum=&pos=5)), but burned down (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=940DE6D91530E733A25755C1A9649C94 6397D6CF) in 1902 (there is a 3-minute Edison film (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0366268/) that captured the fire). The Academy had abandoned the building, whose foundations had been weakened and damaged by subway construction beneath Columbus Circle, and the plot was to be the site of a hippodrome planned by the American and London Hippodrome Company.

A panoramic PHOTO (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Columbus_Circle,_New_York_c1907_LC-DIG-ppmsca-05881.jpg) from 1907 shows the plot, on the other side of Columbus Circle from the 240 CPS site, surrounded by a wooden barrier and still unbuilt (across from the unadorned SW entrance to Central Park, before the Maine Monument went up in 1913).

Berenice Abbott took a PHOTO (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=104623&imageID=482580&word=central%20park%20south&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&total=79&num=20&imgs=20&pNum=&pos=32) of the north side of Columbus Circle in 1938, which shows the low-slung B&O Bus Station building on that site.

Interesting to note that on a MAP of the area from 1899 (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=847846&imageID=1524460&total=79&num=60&word=central%20park%20south&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pos=74&e=w) the Circle is shown as "Grand Circle." Although the Columbus statue was erected in 1892 it wasn't until 1905 that the Circle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Circle) took his name, as is another MAP (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=848359&imageID=1524646&total=79&num=60&word=central%20park%20south&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=4&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pos=75&e=w) of the same area from a few years later showing it as "Columbus Circle."

lofter1
December 29th, 2009, 06:56 PM
A NB permit was filed last month.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=3&passjobnumber=104555107&passdocnumber=09

I'd not seen this when I was in the area recently, but noticed it today -- so it might be new:

Both buildings to the west -- at 229 West 58th (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=9&allbin=1024912&allstrt=WEST+++58+STREET&allnumbhous=229) and 231 West 58th (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=11&allbin=1024911&allstrt=WEST+++58+STREET&allnumbhous=231) -- beyond the Demo'ed Extell lot (at 225-227 West 58th (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PropertyProfileOverviewServlet?boro=1&houseno=225+&street=west+58th+street&requestid=0&s=A03C41B885B461E4F46BD08866A7430E)) have been marked with the green X-Boxes signifying a likely prelude to Demolition. But no Demo apps are showing up at DOB.

And 240 CPS has removed the lousy looking roll down gates that enclosed the loading area along West 58th ( 233 W 58 -- seen HERE (<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&amp;q=%22231+west+58th+street%22&amp;oe =UTF-8&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=231+W+58th+St,+New+York,+10019 &amp;gl=us&amp;ei=a5U6S-iZJIu_lAe-u8idBw&amp;ved=0CAkQ8gEwAA&amp;ll=40.767048,-73.98094&amp;spn=0.011246,0.015407&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;layer=c&amp;cb ll=40.766904,-73.98122&amp;panoid=hKlxq-S63H0_gQClVHDFzA&amp;cbp=12,39.68,,0,-13.24&amp;source=embed&amp;output=svembed"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&amp;q=%22231+west+58th+street%22&amp;oe =UTF-8&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=231+W+58th+St,+New+York,+10019 &amp;gl=us&amp;ei=a5U6S-iZJIu_lAe-u8idBw&amp;ved=0CAkQ8gEwAA&amp;ll=40.767048,-73.98094&amp;spn=0.011246,0.015407&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;layer=c&amp;cb ll=40.766904,-73.98122&amp;panoid=hKlxq-S63H0_gQClVHDFzA&amp;cbp=12,39.68,,0,-13.24&amp;source=embed" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>) on Google Map Street View). They are now rebuilding the curb / driveway there as part of the full rehab of 240 CPS.

lp640
February 9th, 2010, 05:06 AM
Why is Central Park South so ugly?

From streetlevel, everything west of the Plaza Hotel looks so nasty and dingy. How pathetic for a such a supposedly coveted area.

Everything needs brought down... but I don't see that happening ever.

ZippyTheChimp
February 9th, 2010, 09:01 AM
Everything?

Stroika
February 9th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Why is Central Park South so ugly?

From streetlevel, everything west of the Plaza Hotel looks so nasty and dingy. How pathetic for a such a supposedly coveted area.

Everything needs brought down... but I don't see that happening ever.

Um, I cannot agree with that. At all. The area is iconic and beautiful. It is vertical in ways that today's miserable structures almost never achieve. And while there are one or two bad apples, the bunch is quite, quite fine. I'm really at a loss here to see how anyone can so virulently rip into such an impressive area.

Merry
February 10th, 2010, 04:52 AM
... but I don't see that happening ever.

No, thank goodness :confused:.

I think CPS is one of the most marvelous streetscapes in the whole city. Just for example, The Gainsborough (L), built 1908...and the Ritz Carlton (St Moritz), Trump Parc (Barbizon Plaza), Hampshire House, Essex House, 240 CPS (L), all built in the 1930s :).

Of those, only 2 are landmarks (L), though :(.

RandySavage
February 21st, 2010, 03:40 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2899677747_8c820d418b_b.jpg
credit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jblough/

Merry
February 21st, 2010, 04:27 AM
^ Yes, that's what I meant :). I guess all those crowns are more attractive than at street level, but it's still a solid wall of history not to be messed with.

scumonkey
February 21st, 2010, 03:00 PM
how old is that picture?!

lofter1
February 21st, 2010, 05:43 PM
It's from within the last 10 years -- the St. Moritz (the big one at the left) shows the re-do with the larger windows.

scumonkey
February 21st, 2010, 06:07 PM
"It's from within the last 10 years -- the St. Moritz (the big one at the left) shows the re-do with the larger windows."

but shouldn't you be able to see the Cityspire or the Carnegie tower then,
or are they much further back and not seen from that angle? They look so much closer to the Essex house when seen from Central Park.

lofter1
February 21st, 2010, 06:51 PM
It's the low view point and odd angle that's fooling you. You can see the NE corner of the Carnegie Tower rising above the top of the Trump Parc -- it's peeking up beyond the wedge of the Metropolitan Tower ... and it seems there's a small bit of the London Hotel visible over the left edge of the St. Mortiz (at the far end of the crenellated parapet). The Cityspire would be just out of the picture to the left.




http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2899677747_8c820d418b_b.jpg

RandySavage
February 22nd, 2010, 01:42 PM
^ Yep. It is from within the last 2 years.

scumonkey
February 22nd, 2010, 02:03 PM
Thanks...gave me a nice illusion of the past:)

lofter1
April 17th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Info on the restoration of 240 Central Park South by Architect Douglas J. Lister HERE (http://www.djlister.com/central_park.htm)

And a pdf from DJLister (http://www.djlister.com/240%20Central%20Park%20South.pdf) showing Before / After images of 240 (inside and out).

ZippyTheChimp
April 17th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Fine building.

londonlawyer
June 29th, 2010, 10:06 AM
The following was filed with the DOB last week. Hopefully, demolition will occur soon.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/PermitsInProcessIssuedByBinServlet?requestid=1&allbin=1024914

ZippyTheChimp
September 8th, 2010, 07:58 PM
Meanwhile, 230 CPS (Southmoor House ,1937) has a new facade. Work continues on the entryway.

Sits very well between the older Gainsborough (1908) and newer 240 CPS (1941).
http://a.imageshack.us/img32/1421/230cps01c.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/230cps01c.jpg/)

http://a.imageshack.us/img121/4613/230cps02c.th.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/230cps02c.jpg/) http://a.imageshack.us/img340/1395/230cps03c.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/230cps03c.jpg/) http://a.imageshack.us/img28/4754/230cps04c.th.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/230cps04c.jpg/)

Why didn't they replace the AC sleeves?
http://a.imageshack.us/img829/9858/230cps05c.th.jpg (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/230cps05c.jpg/)

londonlawyer
September 8th, 2010, 08:00 PM
Is 220 CPS empty?

ZippyTheChimp
September 9th, 2010, 10:49 AM
Didn't notice.

londonlawyer
September 9th, 2010, 10:54 AM
Thanks

Merry
September 16th, 2010, 05:47 AM
I wouldn't give up a south-facing terrace, either :p.


Central Park South Renters Not Giving Up Terraces Without a Fight

September 15, 2010, by Joey

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4g75slnk7qQ/TJD5G0G59FI/AAAAAAAACvM/8fS9rsR8D7g/s1600/220+babck+better.JPG

The team of the Clarett Group and Vornado Realty Trust has been trying to empty out (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/220-central-park-south) the drab rental building at 220 Central Park South and replace it with a 40ish-story luxury condo tower since the beginning of time—and by that we mean the start of the last real estate boom. They've now managed to work their way down to a handful of holdouts, broker-blogger Andrew Fine (http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2010/09/slow-death-and-rebirth-on-central-park.html) observes:
I counted what looked like at least 8 to 10 holdouts including one who is clearly having difficulty parting with a lush, south-facing terrace. I spoke with a building employee (who shall remain anonymous) and he confirmed that there were still holdouts and that 'they aren't going anywhere' and that the 'landlord has to settle with them to get them out'.Guess if we spot a crop duster dropping poison on the building, that means negotiations aren't going well.

Slow Death And Rebirth On Central Park South (http://afinecompany.blogspot.com/2010/09/slow-death-and-rebirth-on-central-park.html) [A Fine Blog]
220 Central Park South coverage (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/220-central-park-south) [Curbed]

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/09/15/central_park_south_renters_not_giving_up_terraces_ without_a_fight.php

londonlawyer
December 22nd, 2010, 10:40 AM
http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/vornado-clarrett-buy-out-15-rent-stabilized-tenants-including-corcoran-s-leighton-candler-at-future-220-central-park-south-condo

Vornado, Clarrett buy out 15 rent-stabilized tenants at future CPS condo
December 22, 2010 09:30AM
Leighton Candler and 220 Central Park South Fifteen rent-stabilized tenants at 220 Central Park South have been bought out by Vornado Realty Trust and the Clarrett Group, clearing a major hurdle for the developers in their plan to eventually tear down the rental apartments and erect a more than 40-story condominium in its place, the Observer reported. The development team had been trying for years to oust tenants at the building -- among them the Corcoran Group's Leighton Candler -- to no avail, and had offered them as much as $1 million a person in the past if they would vacate. City records now show that 15 of them, including Candler, are officially out, for a price of between $1.3 million and $1.56 million each. Vornado and Clarett purchased the property, between Broadway and Columbus Circle, for $131.5 million in 2005. [NYO]

antinimby
December 22nd, 2010, 12:53 PM
They better put up something stunning and befitting Central Park South.

They should enlist the architectural firm that did the new Ralph Lauren building on the UES.

londonlawyer
December 22nd, 2010, 01:21 PM
I agree. I would like a limestone tower by Stern here, but Pelli is designing it. I hope that he designs something worthy of the location. His work is hit or miss.

Tectonic
December 23rd, 2010, 03:02 AM
The probability of glass here is high I think, even though it would not really fit in.

BBMW
December 23rd, 2010, 11:04 AM
Given the success of 15 CPW, I think they'd stay in that theme. Then again, it's a different economy now.

LeCom
December 25th, 2010, 01:22 AM
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3411/cimg1693220centralparks.jpg

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1724/cimg1694220centralparks.jpg

Derek2k3
December 25th, 2010, 09:13 AM
Wonder what this looked like when it was new. Must have seemed refreshing in the 50's.
Also wonder what pre-war buildings it replaced.

Now probably the worst-looking on CPS...along with this blank-sided one:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5249/5288824523_98a4c7d8d5_b.jpg
clee130 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/clee130/5288824523/sizes/l/in/pool-35034350743@N01/)

londonlawyer
December 25th, 2010, 11:32 AM
I'd love to see the blank sided one razed. As I recall, it's a Helmsley hotel so it should be easy to empty.

LeCom
January 3rd, 2011, 05:59 AM
or at least a nice reclad

Derek2k3
January 5th, 2011, 07:07 PM
All the buildings in the foreground will be coming down. The white(ish) one is part of 220 CPS. Across the street are the buildings to be demolished for Extell's other 57th St. tower. Its pretty amazing the city continues to build up in these already superdense areas. Knocking down 12-20 story buildings to build an even taller building is relatively uncommon anywhere else.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5085/5311634642_597a66377a_b.jpg
anomalous_a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/5311042889/sizes/l/in/set-72157625600325207/)


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5283/5311046815_a4060f9751_b.jpg
anomalous_a


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5311339141_8814111f29_b.jpg
anomalous_a

lofter1
January 5th, 2011, 08:10 PM
The three short ones in the last photo will remain. One is a landmarked fire house.

Derek2k3
January 6th, 2011, 08:47 AM
Yep, initially I only posted the first photo.

Tectonic
January 7th, 2011, 07:18 PM
NYC is still doing well in terms of construction. Other cities, even Chicago, are dead.

juniorflipper
February 10th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Recent news item:

Brookfield Office Properties today announced that Veronica W. "Ronne" Hackett has joined the company as Senior Vice President, Development, for U.S. Commercial Operations. In this role, Ms. Hackett will direct the development efforts for the company's 9.6-million-square-foot pipeline of U.S. development properties in New York, Washington, DC, Houston, Los Angeles and Denver, as well as pursue new development opportunities in the company's core U.S. markets.

So does this mean Ms. Hackett is abandoning Clarett Corp. and the 220 project? If so, will Clarett and Vornado flip the property over to Extell?

Verrrrrrry interesting

Derek2k3
March 28th, 2011, 09:58 AM
Barnett is no fool.



Vornado Project Hits Hard Spot
By Eliot Brown

Just when developer Steven Roth thought he had cleared his biggest hurdle for a planned new skyscraper on Central Park's southern edge, here comes Gary Barnett. For more than five years, Mr. Roth's Vornado Realty Trust has been trying to...

Full Article at Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703576204576226990922583306.html?m od=googlenews_wsj)

If your not subscribed to the WSJ. you can read it here as well:
http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets/newsfeeditem.aspx?id=134292890287956

lofter1
March 28th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Looks like the Extell hole at 225 W 58th (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&q=225+West+58th+Street+new+york+ny&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=225+W+58th+St,+New+York,+10019&gl=us&ll=40.765185,-73.978393&spn=0.01175,0.020084&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.766766,-73.98089&panoid=0dsS27or8HZ55HO3oqnBfg&cbp=12,15.03,,0,-15.87) will remain so for some time ^

londonlawyer
March 28th, 2011, 11:44 AM
Barnett is no fool.



Vornado Project Hits Hard Spot
By Eliot Brown

Just when developer Steven Roth thought he had cleared his biggest hurdle for a planned new skyscraper on Central Park's southern edge, here comes Gary Barnett. For more than five years, Mr. Roth's Vornado Realty Trust has been trying to...

Full Article at Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703576204576226990922583306.html?m od=googlenews_wsj)

If your not subscribed to the WSJ. you can read it here as well:
http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets/newsfeeditem.aspx?id=134292890287956

Barnett is looking to dominate that area. The guy is very Machiavellian!

Derek2k3
September 29th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Ugh...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6156/6196794614_51d99d9ec0_b.jpg



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6153/6196794728_69e2961ce7_b.jpg



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6026/6196283899_c130d39862_b.jpg



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6171/6196794804_6623bdccfa_b.jpg



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6157/6196283941_1444e4394e_b.jpg

londonlawyer
September 29th, 2011, 09:48 PM
It's my understanding that this tower is basically empty but that Barnett is the only obstacle. I assume that he wants a piece of the action to ensure that whatever is built here will be sufficiently narrow such that it won't obscure the park views from 225 W57th.

Mr. RealEstate
December 14th, 2011, 12:38 PM
Demolition of the building is slated to begin in a month from now.

ASchwarz
December 14th, 2011, 12:39 PM
Awesome news!

Hopefully they've reached an agreement with Barnett and his air rights can be transferred, so the building can be even taller.

londonlawyer
December 14th, 2011, 01:08 PM
This building sits squarely behind Extell's site at 225 W57th. Therefore, I assume that Barnett extracted an agreement that the new 220 shall be a thin tower that rises on the east side of the site.

Derek2k3
April 23rd, 2012, 10:43 PM
Looks like interior demolition has finally started.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8164/7108245205_27838552cd_b.jpg

londonlawyer
April 23rd, 2012, 11:00 PM
Do they typically demolish the interior before taking the whole tower down?

lofter1
April 23rd, 2012, 11:32 PM
In a building built before ~ 1975 they have to do the slow interior asbestos abatement before razing the structure.

londonlawyer
April 24th, 2012, 12:03 AM
Thanks, Lofter. Hopefully, the crappy eyesores to the west of this on 58th will come down soon, as well.

Merry
April 30th, 2012, 06:22 AM
Standoff at Central Park

By ELIOT BROWN

The pressure is rising in a standoff on Central Park South between two of the city's most powerful developers.

Vornado Realty Trust is getting ready to start demolition on a 1950s-era apartment building at 220 Central Park South to get the site prepared most likely for a luxury condominium tower.
There's only one problem: One of the commercial tenants in 220 Central Park South hasn't left. That tenant, a parking garage, is controlled by rival developer Gary Barnett.

The exterior of 220 Central Park South, which is slated for demolition so a new tower can be built in its place.

Mr. Barnett's Extell Development Co., which is developing the soaring 1,004-foot One57 condominium tower one block to the east, bought into the lease of the underground parking garage in Vornado's building a few years ago, according to people familiar with the matter. It runs about five more years, the people said.

Thus far Mr. Barnett has resisted Vornado's attempts to rid him from the building through a buyout or settlement. But now Vornado is stepping up the pressure as it moves forward with demolition preparations, which call for tearing down the building above the garage, stopping at the second floor.

Talks between the two sides also are continuing. "We're trying to take down the building and then we'll come up with a first-class building," Vornado's chief executive, Michael Fascitelli, said in a brief interview last week.

As to Mr. Barnett, he said, "We have a little issue there, but we're trying to resolve it."

Extell, however, believes tearing down the building atop the garage could be dangerous.

"We think it would show very poor judgment to attempt to demolish an occupied building, especially when there is no possibility of construction for a number of years. God forbid something bad happens for no purpose," a spokesman said in a statement. "We have the greatest respect for the leadership of Vornado and would be surprised if they actually moved to demolish."

Vornado, one of the city's largest office and retail landlords, filed with the city for demolition permits last month. Scaffolding is going up on the edges of the white-brick building, which was cleared of residential tenants in 2010.

Should the two sides fail to strike a deal, Vornado could still proceed with demolition. But demolition would likely be more complex and expensive if the garage isn't vacated.

It's unclear exactly what Mr. Barnett wants. Extell owns a neighboring site on 58th Street that was purchased 2006, where it has filed plans for an 18-story tower. Depending what Vornado builds on its site, many Central Park views in Mr. Barnett's planned tower could be blocked. Vornado also owns the site directly to the west of Mr. Barnett's property on 58th Street, which could factor into discussions.

Mr. Fascitelli said last week he believes Mr. Barnett, who he described as "tough" and "smart," wants to be paid some money, and for Vornado "to do something different that enhances his building."

Vornado bought 220 Central Park South in 2005 for $132 million, initially planning to put in its place a 41-story condominium tower. The company hasn't released updated plans but chairman Steven Roth made it clear in his annual letter to shareholders earlier this month that Vornado has been watching what Mr. Barnett is doing at One57.

"We hear that the 1,000 foot tall, direct park-view apartment tower under construction on 57th Street is pricing at $6,500 per square foot," Mr. Roth wrote. "Our 220 Central Park South site, just down the block, is better."

Vornado has a record of patience in the New York City development world, as the bulk of its activity is in owning existing buildings. The company sat for years on the vacant site of the former Alexander's department store on Lexington Avenue and 59th Street before building Bloomberg LP's new headquarters, which was crowned with floors of high-priced condominiums with Central Park views.

In contrast, Mr. Barnett, a former diamond trader-turned developer, is building constantly. Skilled at assembling prime development sites through buying up neighboring lots, he launched projects both in the boom years of the last cycle, as well in the uncertain early days of the recovery, when he bet on a rebound and started work on two large Manhattan towers.

After Vornado bought 220 Central Park South, the company spent years vacating its rent-regulated apartment tenants, who were entitled to lease renewals. In late 2010, the company struck a deal to spread about $40 million between the roughly two dozen remaining residential tenants, and was left to contend only with the parking garage lease for the building, which runs through the full block to 58th Street.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304050304577374282028790506.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

Derek2k3
April 30th, 2012, 02:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Barnett is trying to persuade Vornado to build a plaza on the current site 220 CPS in exchange for giving up his lease and selling his lot on 58th street that splits Vornado's parcels in two. The plaza would force Vornado to build on the western side of their mergerd site and allow whatever Barnett builds at 225 West 57th Street views of Central Park from the ground floor up.

Barnett's tower would be almost as good as a Central Park South address if this were to happen.

Perhaps just wishful thinking on my part b/c this would force Vornado to build a much taller tower.
I expect Barnett to build a 1,300' tower, like the hight he originally proposed at One57. It'd be exciting if Vornado tries to compete.


Standoff at Central Park

"We think it would show very poor judgment to attempt to demolish an occupied building, especially when there is no possibility of construction for a number of years. God forbid something bad happens for no purpose," a spokesman said in a statement. "We have the greatest respect for the leadership of Vornado and would be surprised if they actually moved to demolish."


Funny, especially when Barnett has done the exact same thing to the Morton Williams supermarket across the street for his own project.

babybackribs2314
April 30th, 2012, 07:01 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Barnett is trying to persuade Vornado to build a plaza on the current site 220 CPS in exchange for giving up his lease and selling his lot on 58th street that splits Vornado's parcels in two. The plaza would force Vornado to build on the western side of their mergerd site and allow whatever Barnett builds at 225 West 57th Street views of Central Park from the ground floor up.

Barnett's tower would be almost as good as a Central Park South address if this were to happen.

Perhaps just wishful thinking on my part b/c this would force Vornado to build a much taller tower.
I expect Barnett to build a 1,300' tower, like the hight he originally proposed at One57. It'd be exciting if Vornado tries to compete.



Funny, especially when Barnett has done the exact same thing to the Morton Williams supermarket across the street for his own project.

Which buildings does Vornado own? 229 and 231 W 58th? I'm fairly sure Extell owns the property that has already been demolished...

All of those buildings are in front of Extell's plot at 225 W 57th, but I can't imagine Vornado would build on the 58th street side rather than the 59th (CPS address will add much more to rents than a 58th Street one).

Derek2k3
May 13th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Vornado's project will use a Central Park South address even if the taller portion of the tower is on the 58th Street side. Just look at 15 CPW -the Tower is on Broadway.
However, given that this is Vornado we're talking about here, I bet they'll just wait until Extell's lease is up in 5 years and build whatever the hell they want.

londonlawyer
May 13th, 2012, 07:34 AM
Barnett is brilliant. He effected a master chess play with the acquisition of the garage and the adjacent building on W58th.

Tectonic
May 15th, 2012, 07:08 AM
What's the word on how high they can go here?

CURBED: http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/05/14/robert_am_stern_designing_finallyinprogress_220_cp s.php

antinimby
May 15th, 2012, 09:50 AM
I would love to see something here from RAMS on the same quality level of a 15 CPW.

econ_tim
June 10th, 2012, 06:05 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7359349020_99e10d43a3_c.jpg

existing building is shrouded

Derek2k3
July 21st, 2012, 06:32 PM
Frozen in time
Envisioning the future of New York is “more of the same”

July 01, 2012
By James Gardner
http://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/frozen-in-time/

http://therealdeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/RealDealFrozenFinal-575.jpg

A good article by Gardner. I agree to some extent that the Manhattan of the future will look relatively the same due to the difficulty of replacing co-ops and condo buildings. Just look at the UES, very little has changed, besides a few towers on the eastern avenues and some hospital development near the river. However, because of the dearth of places to build out, there is an increasing pressure to build up. IMO the skyline will continue to change dramatically as developers come up with more creative ways to build, i.e. accruing neighboring air rights, cantilevering buildings, erecting sliver buildings, etc. Even the skyline of today looks pretty different from 10 years ago.

The city seems to have realized this with its generous upzonings (i.e. Midtown East/ Hudson Yards, LIC, Brooklyn,), building in the open space of public housing, etc...

220 CPS came to mind with its dilemma regarding clearing out tenants...and in this case they were RENTERS!

EastMillinocket
July 29th, 2012, 10:58 PM
All the glass in the windows has been removed from the 58th Street side:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2122/img2012072900466.jpg

The western facade has been stripped down to the concrete (here, seen from the 58th Street side)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/783/manhattan2012072900468.jpg

58th Street side:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1644/manhattan2012072900467.jpg

Glass is still largely intact on the CPS side:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5180/manhattan2012072900469.jpg

Derek2k3
August 11th, 2012, 01:47 AM
Vornado filed demolition permits for 229 and 231 West 58th. As far as we know, Extell still owns the vacant lot at 227 West 58th that separates those two lots from Vornado's 220 CPS. The last article does hint that the two developers are trying to work something out. Unless Vornado agrees to some massing guidelines, I see no reason why Extell would sell its lot since if the Vornado sites were combined, they could erect a tower that would block the entire span of Central Park views from Extell's tower...well at least from the lower floors since Extell has amassed a tremendous amount of air rights.

Vornado could also just be demolishing the structures for development rights or they could even erect two towers but that's unlikely since they probably want to place as much bulk as they can on the CPS frontage.
We'll have to wait and see how this plays out.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=1&passjobnumber=121090988&passdocnumber=01

Extell makes Trump look like a single family home developer.

londonlawyer
August 11th, 2012, 09:05 AM
I wonder if Extell could transfer the air rights from its 58th St parcels across the street to its tower site.

londonlawyer
August 11th, 2012, 09:07 AM
I wonder if Extell could transfer the air rights from its 58th St parcels across the street to its tower site. I'm pleased that they're finally razing those eyesores on 58th. I always hated them when I lived in the area.

Derek2k3
August 11th, 2012, 02:48 PM
Of course they can. but according to this they haven't.

londonlawyer
August 11th, 2012, 03:01 PM
Thanks. I didn't know if the needed permission from the city to transfer air rights across the street and if such permission would come with unreasonable conditions imposed by Burden & Co.

lesterp4
August 16th, 2012, 10:53 PM
i saw this on the real deal
Vornado declined to comment.The two West 58th Street properties are adjacent to 225 West 58th Street, where the Extell Development Company has filed plans to build an 18-story residential building.

EastMillinocket
August 16th, 2012, 11:52 PM
An 18-story building can be easily built on West 58th Street without anyone noticing.

lofter1
August 20th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Vornado vs. Extell

WALL STREET JOURNAL (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443855804577599583549833776.html?m od=WSJ_NY_RealEstate_LEFTTopStories)
Eliot Brown
August 19, 2012

The start of demolition on a onetime apartment building on Central Park's southern edge has escalated a fight over the coveted site, where landlord Vornado Realty Trust wants to build a soaring condo tower.

Vornado recently began taking down the top floors of the half-century-old former rental building while the parking garage in the building's basement is still operating.

That is because the garage is controlled by rival developer Gary Barnett, founder of Extell Development Co, who owns a neighboring development site. He has thus far held out from striking a deal with Vornado to shut down the garage, so the demolition is slated to leave the garage in place.

Last week, the work on the building was halted by the city's Department of Buildings, which issued a "stop work order" after some bricks fell 10 stories, the agency said in a report on its website.

The infraction isn't uncommon on large demolition jobs, although typically sites are fully vacant.

The incident has provoked an angry response from Mr. Barnett, who had previously criticized Vornado for moving ahead with demolition while his garage is still open.

"It's outrageous that they're taking a risk with people's lives and properties when it doesn't do them any good," Mr. Barnett said Friday.

"They're only tearing the building down to the third floor—so why are they going ahead and doing this demolition while the building is occupied? Let them wait."

Vornado, one of country's largest publicly traded real-estate companies, recently acknowledged the unresolved conflict with Mr. Barnett on its quarterly conference call, referring to it as "a bit of a tussle with a neighboring property owner," in the words of Vornado executive David Greenbaum.

"We feel very good about where we are in the process with demolition having commenced," Mr. Greenbaum said on the call.

Tectonic
August 20th, 2012, 06:39 PM
Barnett obviously wants to stall this project as long as possible.

lofter1
August 21st, 2012, 04:30 PM
Sure, he'd prefer to get 225 W 57th across the street up and units there sold before Vornado's new tower rises and blocks the Extell views.

lofter1
August 27th, 2012, 07:26 PM
Competing RE biggies are up to more legal shenanigans on Central Park South ...

Extell sues Vornado to force it to re-occupy 220 CPS

THE REAL DEAL (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/08/27/extell-sues-vornado-to-force-it-to-re-occupy-220-cps/)
By Adam Fusfeld
August 27, 2012 09:30AM

The battle between Extell Development and Vornado Realty Trust (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2011/03/28/vornado-s-latest-holdout-at-220-central-park-west-gary-barnett-of-extell-development-who-is-the-leaseholder-on-the-parking-garage-below/) over a Central Park condominium site that would directly compete with One57 has entered a new phase. The Wall Street Journal reported that Extell has gone to court to force Vornado to re-fill the building it vacated, at 220 Central Park South.

Vornado emptied the building (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2010/12/22/vornado-clarrett-buy-out-15-rent-stabilized-tenants-including-corcoran-s-leighton-candler-at-future-220-central-park-west-condo/), and wants to do the same to the basement garage Extell leases (http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/04/30/barnett-poses-obstacle-to-vornados-central-park-south-development/) through 2018, in order to knock it down and replace it with a luxury condo building just blocks from Extell’s One57.

The lawsuit is a reaction to Vornado having recently informed Extell that it is in default of its lease, and will move to evict it.

Vornado’s maneuver came on the heels of a $200 fine it handed to Extell in May because the parking garage was not being used “primarily for residents” as is required. However, Vornado, which has been planning the development for some seven years, had bought out all of the residential tenants. In Extell’s lawsuit against Vornado, it alleges the violation was a “sham” and demanding that it “re-occupy the building with tenants.”

“They take away our clients, they empty out the building, and then say, ‘You’re in violation because you have an empty building,’” Extell President Gary Barnett told the Journal. [WSJ] (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444506004577613520000341522.html?m od=googlenews_wsj)

RoldanTTLB
December 24th, 2012, 06:39 PM
They have just wrecked SHOP over here. There's nothing but a single story entrance to a basement garage and some rubble. This site is much larger than I had initially thought. Its basically everything but the incredibly ornate townhouses and the firehouse to the east.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8361/8304313039_2f7a8d55d9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/8304313039/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8305361976_6788d32df4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/8305361976/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8084/8304315167_b7f43822d3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/8304315167/)

londonlawyer
December 24th, 2012, 08:47 PM
But Extell owns one of the sites in the middle of the assemblage.

Derek2k3
December 25th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Yep, you can see the differences in the colors of the construction fences.

Thanks for all the great construction pics Roland!

londonlawyer
December 25th, 2012, 11:27 AM
I agree. Nice job, Roldan. Merry Christmas, gents.

ZippyTheChimp
May 6th, 2013, 10:16 AM
Looking through the lot from Central Park, with the 225 West 57th St (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8439&page=24) lot behind it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/7169/220cps01c.jpg

Tectonic
October 5th, 2013, 06:09 PM
How tall can they go at this site?

RoldanTTLB
October 5th, 2013, 06:18 PM
Currently filings are for just under 600ft, but I've heard more air is coming. I suspect they could easily roll up on 900 with some effort.

Tectonic
October 5th, 2013, 06:25 PM
OK Thanks. The Park Lane is being sold for $650 million and will be torn down or renovated. I hope they tear it down, the ceiling heights are quite low according to wsj.

Derek2k3
October 6th, 2013, 01:00 AM
Witkoff's projects are making a killing, so he'll be flush with cash once he begins work on his Park Lane and Tribeca sites.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303918804579107770011977370.html

londonlawyer
October 6th, 2013, 02:13 AM
I really hope that the Park Lane is razed. It's horrible. I believe the crappy, full-block building just to the east is a rental. Perhaps, Wit koff can acquire it too.

LeCom
October 7th, 2013, 02:08 PM
Any source on the good news about Park Lame?

ASchwarz
October 7th, 2013, 07:47 PM
Any source on the good news about Park Lame?

There are lots of articles on the Park Lane selling to Witkoff for redevelopment.

And this past weekend's NY Times has a long article on Macklowe, which mentions he's teaming up with Witkoff for redevelopment of the Park Lane site.

Czervik.Construction
October 11th, 2013, 12:40 PM
From the Park Lane website:


The décor of our Midtown Manhattan hotel reflects the grand European style...

Umm, I think they meant to say tired and outdated.

It would be nice if this place got the axe.

Derek2k3
October 15th, 2013, 07:26 PM
The Real Deal
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/10/15/after-extell-deal-vornado-gets-going-on-220-central-park-south/

After Extell deal, Vornado gets going on 220 Central Park South
October 15, 2013 06:23PM

http://s14.therealdeal.com/trd/up/2013/10/vornado.gif


900 feet tall is what I expected for the site- given the location, any taller would be obscene no matter how classic the design. The 41-story figure doesn't sound correct though.

londonlawyer
October 15th, 2013, 08:59 PM
Hopefully, this tower will obscure the banal POS that Exte ll plans at 225.

RoldanTTLB
October 15th, 2013, 10:28 PM
That's the entire reason they are trying to build the cantilever. Specifically so this does not obscure it from the park.

lofter1
October 16th, 2013, 12:48 AM
Developers End Fight Blocking 2 More Luxury Towers in Midtown

"If the league turns down his offer, Mr. Barnett said he would raise the height of the tower to 1,500 feet, from 1,400 feet."

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/nyregion/developers-end-fight-blocking-2-more-luxury-towers-in-midtown.html)
By CHARLES V BAGLI
October 15, 2013 8:14 PM

The transformation of a once dowdy stretch of 57th Street into Billionaires’ Row reached new heights on Tuesday, as two of New York City’s leading developers reached a truce that paves the way for two more ultraluxury towers on the northern edge of Midtown.

Like five others under development in the neighborhood, the two new towers will feature apartments selling for tens of millions of dollars and promising spectacular Central Park views.

Taken together, the seven high-rise buildings promise to remake the skyline and to redefine what it means to be rich in a city that is a cradle of capitalism and not so long ago was an emblem of urban poverty.

For seven years, the two developers, Gary Barnett and Steven Roth, blocked each other from moving forward with his respective superluxury project. But the men decided the time had come to settle, and on Tuesday, they signed a deal ending the feud.

Mr. Barnett, president of Extell Development, is already building One57, a 1,004-foot tower on 57th Street just east of Seventh Avenue, where the penthouse is under contract for $90 million. To the east, the penthouse at the 1,396-foot skyscraper under construction by Harry Macklowe and the CIM Group is selling for $95 million, or more than $11,000 a square foot.

Now, Mr. Barnett plans to erect a tower of at least 1,400 feet on 57th Street, just east of Broadway. Directly to the north, Mr. Roth, chairman of Vornado Realty, will proceed with a 65-story (roughly 900-feet-tall) residential tower. Under their accord, Mr. Roth shifted the site of his building slightly to the west, while Mr. Barnett edged his eastward, so that both skyscrapers could capitalize on what may be their most lucrative features: Central Park views.

“That’s the money shot,” Mr. Barnett said.

But with the surge in construction of apartments at prices only a billionaire could afford, is there a fear of saturation?

“Price really has no relevance,” said Nancy Packes, a real estate consultant and marketing executive. “High net worth individuals look at real estate today not as a place to live, but as an investment.

“It’s more stable than currency, bonds or stocks. And there are only a handful of cities around the globe where they invest: London, Hong Kong, Singapore and New York.”

There seems to be no shortage of billionaires. The Forbes 2013 list of the world’s billionaires had 1,426 names, up 200 from last year.

But Thomas Bender, a cultural historian at New York University, said the ultraluxury towers represented a flouting of the social distribution of wealth around the world.

“These are the kinds of buildings that the robber barons built,” Professor Bender said, “but it’s also what you see in rapidly developing societies where billionaires seek to distinguish themselves in the midst of poverty.”

As is the custom, all of the new luxury towers in Manhattan have celebrity architects, including Rafael Viñoly, Christian de Portzamparc and Robert A. M. Stern. They incorporate chic amenities, like studios for staff and personal wine cellars. But it is the views that are crucial.

“Height is where the profit is,” said Jonathan Miller, president of Miller Samuel Real Estate Appraisers and Consultants. “There’s a premium for views and floor levels. The higher you go, the higher the price you can get.”

Michael Stern of JDS Development is planning a very thin 1,350-foot-tall tower only a few doors east of Mr. Barnett’s One57. Not far away, a group led by Steve Witkoff is buying the Park Lane Hotel on Central Park South for $650 million, with plans to demolish the building in favor of a sleek tower with apartments averaging $7,000 a square foot, according to real estate executives.

Over at 43 East 60th Street, William L. and Arthur W. Zeckendorf plan to build a 51-story building with park views and 30 apartments selling for $8,000 a square foot, or $48 million for a 6,000-square-foot unit.

A century ago, the beauty of the 840 acres that make up Central Park inspired another boom in ultraluxury housing: Millionaires’ Row. The Astor, Vanderbilt, Frick and Whitney families built mansions along a stretch of Fifth Avenue north of 50th Street. In 1905, Andrew Carnegie erected a four-story, 64-room palatial home at 91st Street.

But the new luxury towers are not aimed exclusively at New Yorkers or even Americans. The Web site for 432 Park (http://432parkavenue.com/?state=home), Mr. Macklowe’s project, provides information in Chinese, French, Italian, Portuguese, Russian and Spanish.

It is the lure of enormous profits in a fast-paced residential market that eventually led Mr. Barnett and Mr. Roth to end their bitter dispute.

In June 2005, Mr. Barnett bought the first of a number of parcels for a high-rise project between 57th and 58th Streets, near Broadway.

Two months later, Mr. Roth of Vornado bought a rental building at 220 Central Park South whose lot extended to 58th Street.

Fearing that the Vornado tower would block the views of his planned tower, Mr. Barnett sought a bargaining chip by quickly buying the lease from the garage operator at 220 Central Park South and a small parcel on 58th Street that sat in the middle of Mr. Roth’s planned development site.

Over the ensuing years, Mr. Roth bought out all of the tenants in the building’s rent-regulated units and fought unsuccessfully in court with Mr. Barnett, whose lease on the garage will eventually expire. Each had something the other wanted.

Several months ago, the two sides began negotiating a deal from which they could both profit. On Tuesday, Vornado said that it had paid $194 million for Mr. Barnett’s parcel on 58th Street and additional development rights that would allow it to build an even taller tower.

With the two developers shifting their towers in opposite directions, Mr. Barnett will go forward with his second ultraluxury building on 57th Street, at 225 West 57th. But he still has one more deal to complete.

Several years ago, he agreed to pay his 57th Street neighbor, the Art Students League, $23.5 million for its unused development rights. Mr. Barnett is now offering to pay the league another $25 million for the rights to cantilever his tower over its four-story building.

The cantilever would ensure that more of the apartments in Mr. Barnett’s building would have clear views of Central Park. If the league turns down his offer, Mr. Barnett said he would raise the height of the tower to 1,500 feet, from 1,400 feet.

Speaking of the deal announced on Tuesday, he said, “This clears the way for the development of two great buildings that will enhance the skyline and contribute greatly to the economy of New York City.”

stache
October 16th, 2013, 03:19 AM
I never thought of 57th st. as being dowdy.

babybackribs2314
October 16th, 2013, 04:06 AM
The reason for the cantilever was obvious prior to the NY Times article and it's funny that Extell blatantly lied about this during the CB5 landmarks meeting.

stache
October 16th, 2013, 08:34 AM
It wasn't even a plausible lie!

londonlawyer
October 16th, 2013, 09:38 AM
This is great news. I hope that Stern does something more audacious than his usual box with spectacular cladding. A 40-Wall St type crown and setbacks would be nice.

Derek2k3
October 16th, 2013, 10:00 AM
Not far away, a group led by Steve Witkoff is buying the Park Lane Hotel on Central Park South for $650 million, with plans to demolish the building in favor of a sleek tower with apartments averaging $7,000 a square foot, according to real estate executives.


The Park Lane replacement could be monumental. There are some air rights to buy and I think it's the best located-- between the Plaza and the Ritz.

No mention in the article of the lots across from the Solow Building which would also yield a large building if Barnett & Solow reach an agreement. I doubt Barnett really wants to build a "small" hotel on the parcel he owns and that Solow wants a tower directly in front of 9 West 57th. Ideally, it would be nice if the prewar buildings were rehabbed and combined into a retail podium and the tower rises farther west at 30 West 57th. Neither party owns the site but it eclipses 9 West 57th for a fuller view of the park. There was a report of Schvo getting involved with Extell on this project...

LeCom
October 21st, 2013, 11:12 AM
The cantilever would ensure that more of the apartments in Mr. Barnett’s building would have clear views of Central Park. If the league turns down his offer, Mr. Barnett said he would raise the height of the tower to 1,500 feet, from 1,400 feet.

An awkward, oppressive cantilever vs a taller, sleeker tower... Hmm, tough choice huh?

Tectonic
January 15th, 2014, 11:32 AM
No surprise here.

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/220_exterior.jpg
More at curbed.com (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/01/15/robert_am_sterns_220_central_park_south_tower_reve aled.php)

londonlawyer
January 15th, 2014, 11:40 AM
Wow! I don't know who would buy a single unit in Extell's stick over this masterpiece!

GordonGecko
January 15th, 2014, 11:45 AM
I am accepting donations for a penthouse apartment here

antinimby
January 15th, 2014, 12:16 PM
I agree. Extell should've hired RAMS to design a classy, sumptuous tower like this instead of his awkward, cantilevered mess.

If I was a foreign oligarch billionaire investor, I would buy in here instead.

antinimby
January 15th, 2014, 12:20 PM
BTW, this thread needs to be moved to the Skyscraper subforum. It is too significant of a project to be left here.

EastMillinocket
January 15th, 2014, 12:31 PM
Too much overlap between the two subfora. The subfora need to be merged.

babybackribs2314
January 15th, 2014, 01:06 PM
THIS IS AMAZING. Also, agree with East Millinocket -- the subs should be merged.

Sunlabs' page on the project is now down, btw. I would bet someone is getting fired...

oquatanginwan
January 15th, 2014, 01:43 PM
Aesthetic matters aside, considering the insane resale prices on 15CPW, billionaires looking to park their money will likely see this building as a better buy than any of the other towers going up.

On purely aesthetic grounds. I SAY GOD DAMN. 1 Wall Street just got a loving tribute from Bob Stern.

londonlawyer
January 15th, 2014, 06:47 PM
I still cannot get over how awesome this is!!!

432 Park and Extell's cantilevered stick are so horrible, and yet this is so stunning!

mariab
January 15th, 2014, 09:05 PM
Nice building, especially for CPS. I wonder if it will block views from One57.

GordonGecko
January 16th, 2014, 11:57 AM
Interesting, coffered ceiling. You never see that in new construction. I also long for some sort of return of ornamentation

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d6886bf92ea12b93031b28/220.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d6882ef92ea13c7703e052/220_great_room.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68830f92ea13c7703e05c/220_living.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68832f92ea13c7703e066/220_towers.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68834f92ea13c7703e070/220_courtyard.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68836f92ea13c7703e07a/220_1.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68838f92ea13c7703e084/220_ph_terrace.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d6883af92ea13c7703e08e/220_side.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d6883cf92ea13c7703e098/220_entrance.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d6883ef92ea13c7703e0a2/220_2.jpg

lofter1
January 16th, 2014, 01:46 PM
The view through those gates in the 2nd-to-the-last image will not be of a low building and vast sky above, but rather of the brutal monster-box being put up by Extell to the south, between West 57th and West 58th.

There's been much discussion elsewhere about the positioning of the Stern tower, and whether it will rise along Central Park South or along West 58th. Indications found in the renderings are that the tower will rise on the south side of the site, along West 58th.

The rectangular reflecting pool sits outside the interior entry to the low block of the Stern plan, and that low block courtyard faces the vehicle roundabout with the fountain at center. That same 2nd-to-the-last image shows the rectangular pool is to the north of the roundabout & fountain (also seen in the 4th & 5th images). So that puts the tower in the south part of the site.

The 4th image shows a low brick building at the far right. That seems to be FDNY Engine 23 at 215 West 58th. That same image shows a portion of 240 CPS at the far left.

Here's the view along W 58th (with the old 225 W 58th still shown, pre-demo): http://goo.gl/maps/ldBa9

And here's a photo, showing Engine 23 next to where the old building used to be (now demo-ed, and the part of the site where the vehicle courtyard, entered from the south from W 58th, will go in):

http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/02/04/21/53_big.jpg

antinimby
January 16th, 2014, 02:00 PM
Also, One Bryant Park is on Sixth and this tower is near Eighth so one of the below renderings is not accurate. I'd say the 2nd one below is wrong because OBP should not appear at that angle when viewed from this tower.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68836f92ea13c7703e07a/220_1.jpg


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68838f92ea13c7703e084/220_ph_terrace.jpg

GordonGecko
January 16th, 2014, 02:35 PM
clearly wrong. artistic license gone postal

BStyles
January 16th, 2014, 04:02 PM
Love the tower, but is it just me, or are residential footprints slowly getting smaller and smaller?

econ_tim
January 16th, 2014, 04:10 PM
http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/52d68838f92ea13c7703e084/220_ph_terrace.jpg

vantage point seems to be top of the rock

Tectonic
January 16th, 2014, 04:45 PM
^Ha! True.

JCMAN320
January 16th, 2014, 04:57 PM
Love the tower, but is it just me, or are residential footprints slowly getting smaller and smaller?

I was asking myself the same thing; unless its just the rendering but the footprint is incredibly narrow! The building however is very handsome!

Derek2k3
January 16th, 2014, 05:03 PM
So more units can be in the sky...

This is exactly as I predicted almost a year ago...



I bet Extell will eventually sell their lot that cuts between Vornado's two parcels and 220 CPS. Vornado cannot even transfer the development rights from those two buildings to 220 CPS unless Barnett budges. I bet Barnett wants them to build a smaller 300' tall building along CPS and build a tower wing along 58th street where those two walk-ups currently stand. They could be connected by a plaza or a podium a la 15 CPW.

This would result in far less obstructed views of the park for Barnett's tower, rather than staring directly into a 50 story building.

GordonGecko
January 16th, 2014, 05:09 PM
Love the tower, but is it just me, or are residential footprints slowly getting smaller and smaller?

The base footprint is wide, but the upper floor footprints are much smaller. This is ideal because (1) it allows for taller buildings with better views while working in the same FAR allowances and (2) it permits more full floor units with 360 degree views instead of limiting to one or two of North / South / West / East

JCMAN320
January 16th, 2014, 05:15 PM
^Ah got ya; makes absolute sense. It is definitely going to make a striking silhouette against the skyline or a lack their of ;). I really do like the design of it, it tugs at a previous time but is firmly planted in modern times with it's height and the technology involved to make it this tall.

antinimby
January 16th, 2014, 05:17 PM
And they will only do this for the very, very, very, very high end, super duper ultra luxury projects because it costs more to build really high.

I remember hearing that after 700 feet or so, it is a diminishing return as you go higher.

Alonzo-ny
January 17th, 2014, 07:24 PM
This is very cool. I would buy here.

Merry
January 18th, 2014, 12:12 AM
Stern's usual class. Very nice.

If the building is facing north, where is the sunlight in the 2nd and 3rd photos in #198 coming from? From the west-facing windows in the 3rd photo I could understand. Or have I got my bearings wrong?

Stroika
January 18th, 2014, 01:20 AM
Thank Christmas for Bob Stern, The Last Classy Architect.

antinimby
January 18th, 2014, 01:28 AM
NB permit (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=3&passjobnumber=121184592&passdocnumber=01) filed shows a height increase.

RoldanTTLB
January 18th, 2014, 01:32 AM
At 950 DOB height, this could easily crack 1000 official.

steiner
January 18th, 2014, 07:46 AM
At 950 DOB height, this could easily crack 1000 official.

Yes, there's a good chance. One57 was about 950' with the DOB height and ended up over 1000 feet.

Derek2k3
February 3rd, 2014, 10:51 PM
Despite my hatred of Vornado, I have to say this is nice.



Vornado Closes $600M Loan at 220 Central Park South
By Rayna Katz | New York

http://www.globest.com/news/12_787/newyork/finance/Vornado-Closes-600M-Loan-at-220-Central-Park-South-342361.html

NEW YORK CITY-Vornado Realty Trust has completed a $600 million loan secured by its 220 Central Park South development site. The loan bears interest at Libor plus 2.75% and matures in January 2016, with three one-year extension options. The firm declined to comment on the loan to GlobeSt.com


This view will be quite something with 220 CPS, 111 W 57, and Extell's tower; and I bet the final design of Extell's tower will be a bit different from what we've seen.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7308/12298654835_18e0545e88_b.jpg


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7388/12299262996_6d44a41de4_b.jpg

londonlawyer
February 4th, 2014, 05:12 AM
220 looks magnificent.


Derek, do you have any inside information about a modified design for the Nordstrom tower or are you speculating? I truly hope that Extell comes up with a better design. What was shown thus far is horrible.

GordonGecko
February 4th, 2014, 10:13 AM
so Vornado is having to raise debt - red flag?

Ed007Toronto
February 4th, 2014, 10:24 AM
I would think every developer has debt. Rates are low and leverage is a good way to make a lot more than you can with only your own money.

ASchwarz
February 4th, 2014, 10:36 AM
so Vornado is having to raise debt - red flag?

I have never heard of a developer who didn't raise debt to build a building. Why would someone just spend their personal fortune?

And Vornado is a public company. They likely couldn't 100% self-finance, even if they wanted to.

The debt amount, BTW, is quite small for a project of this scope, and the terms are extremely generous.

GordonGecko
February 4th, 2014, 11:01 AM
I would think every developer has debt. Rates are low and leverage is a good way to make a lot more than you can with only your own money.

of course, but I would have thought at this stage that they had all the financing lined up

DKNY617
February 10th, 2014, 06:33 PM
My friend and SSP forum member Danielson27 made these models and I just took the screenshots of them, sorry for them not being clad!!! One57, 432 Park, Torre Verre, 111 W57, 225 W57, 220 CPS are all there.

From Central Park:
http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/skyline1_zpsbb5c81ba.jpg (http://s802.photobucket.com/user/DKNY619/media/skyline1_zpsbb5c81ba.jpg.html)

From the West:
http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/skyline5_zps2ef511c1.jpg (http://s802.photobucket.com/user/DKNY619/media/skyline5_zps2ef511c1.jpg.html)

From the Empire State Building:
http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/skyline4_zpsd17a597f.jpg (http://s802.photobucket.com/user/DKNY619/media/skyline4_zpsd17a597f.jpg.html)

From Rockefeller Center:
http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/skyline3_zps8c138b26.jpg (http://s802.photobucket.com/user/DKNY619/media/skyline3_zps8c138b26.jpg.html)

From Rockefeller Center:
http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/skyline2_zps8489a165.jpg (http://s802.photobucket.com/user/DKNY619/media/skyline2_zps8489a165.jpg.html)

Derek2k3
February 10th, 2014, 07:03 PM
Impressive, but not a very coherent skyline. A tower taller than the rest close to Fifth Ave. could pull the composition together. The lot Extell is trying to assemble across from 9 West 57th would be the perfect spot.

londonlawyer
February 10th, 2014, 07:25 PM
217 W 57th St is such crap!

lofter1
February 10th, 2014, 08:23 PM
If this number of super tall towers can rise along here within such a concentrated time span, imagine what this skyline will be in 25 years ...

econ_tim
February 11th, 2014, 10:53 AM
If this number of super tall towers can rise along here within such a concentrated time span, imagine what this skyline will be in 25 years ...

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3425/3199609836_08c322ed69_z.jpg

GordonGecko
February 11th, 2014, 11:35 AM
R Rummel, of Rem Koolhaas's Delirious New York

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3304/3198764337_6098d2652b_z.jpg

BStyles
February 12th, 2014, 01:33 AM
A futuristic NY with 2000 foot Beaux Arts, Art Deco and Neoclassic skyscrapers? I guess no one back then was predicting the change to glass.

Stroika
February 16th, 2014, 10:50 AM
A futuristic NY with 2000 foot Beaux Arts, Art Deco and Neoclassic skyscrapers? I guess no one back then was predicting the change to glass.

Or the all-consuming, all-eviscerating onslaught of Modernism and its, ahem, "genius" for line-right angle-line "architecture."

Merry
March 5th, 2014, 09:23 AM
Approved: 220 Central Park South

By: Nikolai Fedak

http://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/220centralparksouthmarch5.jpg (http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/03/approved-220-central-park-south.html#)
220 Central Park South -- photo by Andrew McKeon

New building permits for 220 Central Park South have been partially approved (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?passdocnumber=1&passjobnumber=121184592&requestid=9) — with foundation permits fully approved (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB2ScheduleAServlet?requestid=11&passjobnumber=121184592&passdocnumber=04&allbin=1024914) — meaning the last obstacles to the tower’s rise are now out of the way. The Robert A.M. Stern-designed skyscraper is being developed by Vornado, and may take the title of New York City’s most expensive building upon its completion; renderings were revealed (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/01/15/robert_am_sterns_220_central_park_south_tower_reve aled.php) on Curbed in January.

http://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/220centralparksouthmarch52.jpg (http://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/220centralparksouthmarch52.jpg)
220 Central Park South — photo by Andrew McKeon

The Schedule A for the project reveals few details, only indicating ‘Class A’ apartments spanning floors 7 through 64; the zoning diagram (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BSCANJobDocumentContentServlet?passjobnumber=12118 4592&scancode=ES591920798) provides some additional information. The 7th level’s floor-plate will measure 7,440 feet, with averages barely shrinking as the tower rises; the uppermost stories, from 48 to 64, will each have 6,591 usable square feet of space. If the top-most penthouse is a triplex, it would total nearly 20,000 square feet.

It appears that the simple form of 220 Central Park South will work to the development’s advantage, as even single-floor residences will qualify as sky-mansions. In addition to the residences, the ground level will have a 461 square foot commercial component. The project will have 160 units in total.

The latest round of permits do not indicate what will happen to the part of the site that actually abuts Central Park South; the zoning diagram indicates it will become ‘open space,’ though that would be incredibly hard to imagine. It seems more likely that the current filings are for the near-supertall portion of the development, and that documents for the shorter component will be filed at a later date.

Indeed, renderings confirm the two-towered nature of the project, as the shorter building is visible on the right-hand side of the above image.
A formal completion date for the 950-foot structure has not been announced, but excavation is clearly beginning — and with permits approved, verticality is imminent.

http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/03/approved-220-central-park-south.html

londonlawyer
March 5th, 2014, 08:06 PM
This is great news. This building will be stunning. I cannot imagine anyone buying in Extell's cheap looking, glass box planned at 217 W 57th over this landmark.

RoldanTTLB
March 6th, 2014, 01:37 PM
The same people who buy in this kind of building:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D7YKr49lqRA/UJuUSdpcBII/AAAAAAAAGdA/Z0slvbQEHPc/s1600/mercury%2Btower%2B5.jpg

londonlawyer
March 6th, 2014, 01:55 PM
I don't think so. There's not a Stern next door to choose from. Anyway, isn't that an office tower in Moscow?

RoldanTTLB
March 6th, 2014, 02:35 PM
Of course! And there's a finite number of apartments in the Stern next door. Besides, do people no longer look at TWC because 15CPW is a block away?

As for Mercury Tower, it's offices on the bottom and 137 condos on top (just like TWC, actually).

oquatanginwan
March 6th, 2014, 02:40 PM
It looks like a robot lost its leg. Anyway, it looks like Muscovites will have the option of living in a Bob Stern building soon:

http://www.barklires.com/

15CPW really turned him into a brand.

infoshare
March 6th, 2014, 02:53 PM
That is 'news' - reminds me of Claude Shannon's mathematical postulate: (communication = information, minus noise, minus redundancy) But, I digress. That is really a 'surprise' piece of information, some real news - we have been all following the development of this peculiar land parcel for about 8 years now, we have finally turned-a-corner on this story. No Pun Intended.....

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10481&page=2&p=443970&viewfull=1#post443970

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mathematical_Theory_of_Communication

RoldanTTLB
March 6th, 2014, 03:52 PM
It looks like a robot lost its leg. Anyway, it looks like Muscovites will have the option of living in a Bob Stern building soon:

http://www.barklires.com/

15CPW really turned him into a brand.

Well damn! That has all of the modern elements (large windows) mixed with all the classic cues one could ask for in a modern Disney production.

Tectonic
March 7th, 2014, 08:16 AM
Ouch.

LeCom
March 7th, 2014, 12:24 PM
I don't think so. There's not a Stern next door to choose from. Anyway, isn't that an office tower in Moscow?

Yep, and it was designed by New York's Frank Williams (RIP), whose NYC buildings include Trump Palace, Four Seasons Hotel (with I.M.Pei), and the W Times Square Hotel, among others.

infoshare
March 8th, 2014, 06:48 PM
http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/03/approved-220-central-park-south.html?utm_source=YIMBY+News&utm_campaign=6b3561acb3-YIMBY_News7_20_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d76c6a6290-6b3561acb3-92671997&ct=t(YIMBY_News_March_1st2_28_2014)

NY Yimby has some good coverage on this project; you will need to click through some of the YIMBY links to get the full story.

Enjoy.......

londonlawyer
March 8th, 2014, 07:11 PM
Yep, and it was designed by New York's Frank Williams (RIP), whose NYC buildings include Trump Palace, Four Seasons Hotel (with I.M.Pei), and the W Times Square Hotel, among others.

Thanks, LeCom. I liked Frank Williams.

LeCom
March 11th, 2014, 09:35 AM
At his worst, Williams exhibited hokey postmodernism (which was still leaps and bounds ahead of, say, a Gene Kaufman pile). At his best, Williams excelled at contextual design, or at least design that paid homage to the locale at hand in one way or another. While Mercury City Tower would look rather goofy in New York, it makes more sense in Moscow as it's designed as homage to Russian Constructivism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructivism_(art)

Merry
March 22nd, 2014, 06:03 AM
I liked Frank Williams.

Me, too :).


Vornado's 220 Central Park South Will Rise 1,031 Feet

by Jessica Dailey

Department of Buildings permit troll New York YIMBY has kept close tabs on the filings for Vornado's highly anticipated tower at 220 Central Park South, and today YIMBY spotted (http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/03/220-central-park-south-goes-supertall.html) a plan exam with an interesting piece of information: the tower's true height. It will rise well beyond the originally stated 920-feet; in fact, it will be joining the ranks of the "supertalls" being constructed nearby (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/02/20/hundreds_fret_about_superscrapers_shadows_as_extel l_rebuts.php), reaching a height of 1,031-feet. YIMBY also spotted a black and white drawing on the site's construction fence. It's officially a race to the top for the towers growing south of Central Park.

The extra 80 feet puts 220 Central Park South above One57, but below most of the others under construction. Here's how they stack up:

6. Extell's One57 (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/one-57): 1,004 feet
5. Vornado's 220 Central Park South (http://ny.curbed.com/places/220-central-park-south): 1,031 feet
4. Hines' 53 West 53rd Street (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/53-west-53rd-street) (Tower Verre): 1,050 feet
3. JDS/PMG's 107 West 57th Street (http://ny.curbed.com/places/107-west-57th-street): 1,350 feet
2. Macklowe's 432 Park Avenue (http://ny.curbed.com/places/432-park-avenue): 1,396 feet
1. Extell's 217 West 57th Street (http://ny.curbed.com/tags/217-west-57th-street): 1,423 feet

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/220cps3.jpg

220 Central Park South Goes Supertall (http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/03/220-central-park-south-goes-supertall.html) [NY YIMBY]

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/03/21/vornados_220_central_park_south_will_rise_1031_fee t.php

londonlawyer
March 22nd, 2014, 07:17 AM
Wow! That's awesome news!!

econ_tim
March 22nd, 2014, 07:38 AM
there's some debate about whether the 1,031' figure is really the elevation mistakenly entered in the building height box

and since when is tour verre under construction?

oquatanginwan
March 22nd, 2014, 09:53 AM
That drawing makes it look like the second coming of Barclay Tower.

londonlawyer
March 22nd, 2014, 11:02 AM
there's some debate about whether the 1,031' figure is really the elevation mistakenly entered in the building height box

and since when is tour verre under construction?

Isn't Verre starting construction soon?

antinimby
March 22nd, 2014, 12:06 PM
Please no one mention the dreaded Barclay's tower. It still sends shivers up my spine.

stache
March 22nd, 2014, 01:44 PM
...but it's lofter's favorite​...

lofter1
March 23rd, 2014, 05:58 PM
ugggghhhh