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Monrose
January 20th, 2007, 09:57 AM
How do the americans think about Saddams dead?? In Germany and the other countrys there are speaking many people about that. And are you thinking that it was ok to kill him, from the americans?

ablarc
January 20th, 2007, 10:46 AM
Now there's no one left who can run Iraq.

Monrose
January 20th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Sry my english is not so well im from germany, what you mean?? Can you explain it better?

ablarc
January 20th, 2007, 11:28 AM
When Saddam ran Iraq there was organization and terror. He made them both. He kept the various sects from killing each other; that was exclusively his privilege. He also made the electricity run.

Now there is chaos and terror. The sects kill each other freely --often with electric drills. And there is only sometimes electricity.

Saddam alone has demonstrated that he can deliver the electricity.

Now that he is dead, no one can.

Monrose
January 20th, 2007, 11:33 AM
Why was his Punish the dead??

ZippyTheChimp
January 20th, 2007, 11:35 AM
I think Monrose is asking why Hussein was executed, not why he was removed from power.

ZippyTheChimp
January 20th, 2007, 11:37 AM
Monrose, what do you think the reaction would have been among Iraqis (and the Middle East in general) if the US had decided to intervene and not permit the execution?

Monrose
January 20th, 2007, 11:39 AM
Do you think now the situation is better when he is dead?? It's worser... I dont say that he can live as a free man he is bad and he had do very bad thinks with the people

ZippyTheChimp
January 20th, 2007, 11:50 AM
The situation being worse has nothing to do with whether he is dead or alive The situation became worse when, as Ablarc said, Hussein was removed from power.

Iraq, and virtually every Middle East country, uses capital punishment. It's not as if the US decided to go against national tradition and have him executed. In the end, it was an Iraqi decision to make.

In fact, criminal executions in Iraq were suspened by the US from the time of the invasion until May, 2005.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/25/AR2005052501970.html

ablarc
January 20th, 2007, 12:04 PM
A scenario: we could have restored Saddam to power, apologized to Iraqis for having made a mess and caused so many deaths, and withdrawn to our borders where we belong.

Then with Marshall Plan aid Saddam could rebuild Iraq's infrastructure and exterminate the terrorists. He would continue to sell us all the oil we wanted.

And he learned his lesson earlier about invading neighboring countries.

Back to organization, terror and more-or-less reliable electricity.

ablarc
January 20th, 2007, 12:08 PM
And Monrose, your question about capital punishment is the utterance of an Eloi. Iraq is full of Morlocks.

U.S. is about evenly divided.

Does Europe have a long-term future as Europe?

ZippyTheChimp
January 20th, 2007, 11:41 PM
U.S. is about evenly divided.
Morlocks and Eloi?

Punzie
January 21st, 2007, 02:20 AM
U.S. is about evenly divided.

How do you figure that the U.S. is 50-50, Morlock-Eloi?

antinimby
January 21st, 2007, 02:45 AM
I don't think that even hypothetically speaking, restoring Saddam to power at this point would do any good.

The militant groups right now are probably beyond even the control of someone like a Saddam.

Maybe in the past, he could have intimidated them by the threat of terror but these groups have experienced so much bloodshed and violence these past few years that there is little fear of it now.

Taking Saddam out of power was akin to opening Pandora's box.

We're past the point of no return.

ZippyTheChimp
January 21st, 2007, 07:08 AM
I don't think that even hypothetically speaking, restoring Saddam to power at this point would do any good.Hypothetically notwithstanding, it reads like something from the Daily Show.

Saddam lost his aura when the video clip with the flashlight and tongue depressor was released. Like buying a horse.

There should have been a replacement despot in the wings, one who knew the score. Regardless of lofty rhetoric by the international political community, a sizable chunk of the world is ruled by despots and assorted crackpots.

ablarc
January 22nd, 2007, 08:32 PM
a sizable chunk of the world is ruled by despots and assorted crackpots.
Maybe even us, huh?