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HUDSONVALLEY
January 23rd, 2007, 02:55 PM
Everyone who takes the Palisades Interstate Parkway knows the police are extremely anal about speeding. Slowing down when you see the "No U-Turn" signs and never leading on the left lane: if you live in Bergen, Rockland, or Orange County you know what im talking about!!!

Bob
January 23rd, 2007, 06:18 PM
An option is to join the New Jersey Chapter of the National Motorists Association, which will put you in touch with similar-minded drivers who don't believe 70 MPH is a crime. NMA will also keep you apprised of legislation affecting all motorists. On a more tactical level, stay in the right lane and always ensure there is someone blowing by you at about 10+ what you are doing. Stealth works.

Deimos
January 23rd, 2007, 07:06 PM
Or just don't drive like a maniac... that road gets annoying when people fly by at over 75 MPH weaving in and out of lanes!

Ninjahedge
January 24th, 2007, 08:57 AM
People do not realize that that kind of weaving is one of the primary reasons why there are delays (reduced flow) and accidents.

They are also the idiots that talgate at 70, in the rain, on a day that is just above freezing. What is worse is that they usually have 5 or 6 cars behind them doing the same thing.

If the cop is not having a bad day, you are not riding in the fast lane when theer is an open slow lane, you are not tailgating or swerving AND you are not more than 15 mph over the speed limit, most will not bother you.

But you do/have any combination of the above, do not get pissed off when you are caught.



Oh, one other thing. Even travelling 100 miles, travelling at 80 MPH instead of 70 will only save you 11 minutes. What's the point?

Bob
January 24th, 2007, 05:11 PM
OK, I'll take the bait. The "point" is not that doing "x" miles per hour will get you there "y" minutes sooner (or later). The point is that speed limits need to be reasonable, established in accordance with legitimate engineering practice according to the design of the road, and set with a high degree of built-in compliance (typically at or slightly above the 85th percentile speed.) When all this has been satisfied, the result is a speed limit that is respected and easily enforced. As an additional benefit, average highway speeds are consistent, there is a smoother flow of traffic with less weaving in/out, and overall the level of safety is much greater than with unrealistic limits and heavy-handed enforcement. There is a general misconception that speed limits control speed. They do not.

OmegaNYC
January 24th, 2007, 05:18 PM
I always wonder, why make cars that can do over 120+ MPH, and have a speed limit that is only 65?

Ninjahedge
January 24th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Because if you hit somethnig at 120MPH, you, or the person you hit, will die.

People will always drive faster than what is "safe" for a road. Look at the Merrit parkway for example. Saying that 65, 75, or 100 is "ok" is one thing, but yuo are now making it so that it is not just awkward for some people to share the same road, but absolutely deadly. Not everyone can handle speeds like that, and it is REALLy unsafe to have grandpa doing 60 on the highway and you whip past him, 4' away, at 120.

Also, the ground you cover is much different. 60mph = 1mpm = 5280fpm = 88fps. We are just talking about speed here, nevermind deceleration! You react to something, and apply full breaks, it will take you a half second to apply. You have already traveled 44 feet! You have maximum breaking and you are still moving another 60-100 feet before you come to a stop. With the fact that most highways are not isolated, teh risk of you hitting something when travelling that fast is just not acceptable.


Also, you mention design speed. Agreed that most highways are designed for cars and military vehicles can travel on them at about 85 MPH, that does not mean all of them are, or that that is a safe velocity for the restraint systems along the sides.

Now, for a bit of frosting. You also have to see that milage of vehicles goes to crap when you up the speeds. So that is just a bit of help there.


Do not get me wrong, I believe that 55 is AWFULLY slow on the Turnpike/GSP going down the shore, but saying that roads like the Pallisades should be allowed similar speeds when it is one of THE most notorious multi-vehicle accident roadways is stretching it a bit.

So if the only way to keep people from going over 70 on the road is to have the limit at 55, so be it. You know for a fact that the 65 limit on the Parkway does not make everyone drive 65, right? 80 is the average fast lane speed on any highway I have seen with a 65 limit, so maybe they are doing things right.


As for swerving? If you are in that much of a hurry to get where you are going 5 minutes sooner than you would have riding behind someone, maybe you need to examine your own life a bit closer and try to figure out why you have this need to not be controlled. Maybe there is something else in your life that is restricting you that needs to be resolved. But do us all a favor (maybe not YOU you) and do not express your "freedom" by zigging all around.

It only promotes more of the very stress that you are probably feeling and someone will more than likely pay the price for it down the line......

Deimos
January 24th, 2007, 06:11 PM
Amen Ninja!

nano
March 15th, 2007, 04:34 PM
The speed limit here is 50MPH, now i travel that road everyday for the last 5 years since i live in Alpine The PIP Cops have stopped at least 5 times a year every year On the PIP or on 9w and after 5 or more tickets I realized that its me the one with the problem,actually I did a little study of my own and came to the conclusion that I was at fault all the time and most of the time I drove away with a warning, everybody does 70and abover there ride on the left lane ( i got a ticket for fail to keep right) I didnt even know it was the law. If you do betwen 50 and 70 and stay on the right pass on left those guys wont even bother you I realized that also they got all these computers and high tech stuff in their cars and can get info on you in less than 2 seconds and know that you a suspended or wthatever. I found that out the hard way , I got stopped for no reason (so i tought) and I was informed by this cop of my situation "unregistered vehicle" they towed my car and i fought the ticket needless to say i lost after spending 6 hrs in the shithole of court room they got I was informed that the police have the authority tu run anybodys plate even if your is car parked I was furious but i know it was my fault i never register the car, those cops are always hiding in the bushes always man 2 am 2 pm 10am 10pm always man and when I take 9w to avoid them they are there too. I know now that they are a bystate police agency meAing they can pull you over where ever within the great states of NY OR NJ now that sucks!!!! my solution I keep my registraton up to date I dont get on the left lane unless to pass i dont go over 65 mph use my blinker why?? because i live in Alpine and therefor i live with those cops as well .....since i used my new philosophy I havent gotten a ticket ot stopped by those guys I still miss my better days as a brave driver but I cherrish my freedom and my driving record and my pocket too.. by the way they r still there ALL THE TIME!! and the same assholes that speed and tailgate too I laughed when i see them stopped it reminds me of my bad days as a driver. Do the same and you wont get stop or get in those accidents my God I seem bad wrecks in that highway

Deimos
June 23rd, 2007, 01:40 PM
http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/how-to-avoid-a-speeding-ticket/20070621101709990001

Ticket Avoidance Tips
10 Ways to Avoid Speeding Tickets
By ERIC PETERS, AOL AUTOS

People who get tickets for speeding are often guilty of more than simply driving faster than the posted limit. Their chief offense? Getting noticed in the first place. That's the first domino to fall in the ugly chain of events that leads to a piece of "payin' paper."

Here are some common sense ways to run under the radar -- literally:

Drive within 5-10 mph of surrounding traffic. Police officers are usually looking for drivers that are going noticeably faster than the other cars on the road. If you're within a pack of cars all going 5 to 10 mph over the limit, you've automatically improved your odds of not being the one that gets pulled over, even though you're all technically speeding. The police officer has to pick one car; if you go with the flow of traffic, it probably won't be you. And it definitely won't be you if you don't speed in the first place.

Try to stay in the middle of the pack. If you're the lead car, logic says you'll be the first car to run past any radar trap up ahead. And if you're the last car, you'll be the one the police officer rolls up behind. That means the safest place is in the middle -- just like a gazelle fleeing a hungry lion by seeking safety in the middle of the herd.

Find a "rabbit." If you can't find a pack of cars going the speed you'd like to maintain, the next best thing is to find yourself a rabbit -- a solitary driver traveling the speed you'd like to drive that you can follow discretely, about 50-100 yards back. If there's a police officer using radar, hopefully the rabbit will trip the trap, not you. And if he brakes suddenly, you have just received your early warning in time to take defensive action.

Do not change lanes frequently, tailgate or otherwise drive aggressively. In addition to being rude and dangerous, you're just asking for a trucker or someone with a cell phone to call the police and give them a description of your vehicle and license plate number. Always use your signals and be courteous to fellow drivers. It's safer, and it will help you fade into background.

Avoid the fast lane. Use the far left lane to pass when necessary, but try to stay in the middle lanes when possible. Reason? If a police officer is lurking in a cut-out along the median strip (or coming at you from the opposite direction on a divided highway) the speeder in the far left lane is the one most likely to become the target. Drivers who get nailed are often the type who rack it up to 10 or 15 over the limit and remain in the far left lane.

Watch for cut-outs and modulate your speed accordingly. On many highways, there are cut-outs in the median strip every couple of miles. Usually, you can see these in plenty of time to slow down a little bit in case there's a police officer lurking behind the bushes.

Don't speed when you are the only car on the road. If you ignore this warning, it's the equivalent of plastering a "ticket me!" bumper sticker on your vehicle. Even if you're only doing 5 mph over the posted limit, if there's a police officer using radar, he's got nothing to look at but you. Lonesome speeding is even more dangerous in small towns, where radar traps and aggressive enforcement can be common. And never speed late at night. Drunk-driving patrols are heavy and police officers are more inclined to pull you over for any offense in order to check you for signs of alcohol. Don't give them a reason.

If it's ok legally, get a radar detector. Yes, they're expensive (good ones, anyhow). But a one-time hit of, say, $300 for a decent radar detector is cheaper than even a single big seeding ticket and the higher insurance costs that will come with it. Radar detectors are legal in most states and well worth the investment.

And finally:

If possible, drive a nondescript vehicle. It may not be fair, but it's human nature to notice things that stand out from the crowd. Bright-colored cars, those with loud exhaust or other pimped out enhancements are the cars more likely to draw a police officer's initial attention than ordinary-looking, family-type cars. Since the police officer has to single out one car, which car do you suppose is the likely candidate? The bright yellow Mustang GT with 20-inch chrome rims? Or the silver Taurus?

If you do get pulled over while driving a fancy, high-profile car, your odds of getting a ticket versus a warning have probably gone up. If you're driving a fast-looking hot rod, the police officer is going to assume you use it and deserve a ticket more than the guy in a family-looking ride whose plea that he "didn't realize he was speeding, officer" comes off as more believable.

Be aware that appearances count. That is, your appearance. If your appearance says, "Responsible member of the community," you're apt to get a more friendly response than if you look and act like trouble.

The worst possible thing you can do is combine all the no-no's listed above by driving a flashy car too fast, late at night when you're the only car on the road while looking like you just robbed a bank.

If you do that, expect a ticket. And expect no mercy.

Ninjahedge
June 25th, 2007, 09:50 AM
I agree.

The points on a license jump to 4 at 15+ mph over the limit. Most cops would like to get you at ethat for two reasons. One is, a plea will bring you down to less fees and less points, but you will still get the ticket. So less court time simply getting a plea from the court officer that comes out beforehand.

The no tailgating or rapid lane switching is a good clue as well. You look like an aggressive driver, a cop will pick you out faster.

Riding with the pack and/or staying in a non passing lane are good things too. Although sometimes in places like the Mass Pike they set up a dozen patrolcars to pull over an entire pack. Caveat!!!

Sports car = duh.

Jackrabbit? Call them a trap tripper. They will either have a radar detector and give you some warning, or simply get the cops attention before they even see you.

A few other things though:

If you see a cop, do NOT jam on the brakes. You have to slow down for sure, but if he sees your car nosing down and gets your speed above the limit, he will know you were going faster than what he clocked you at.

Watch the truck traffic. On the NJ turnpike, if you are zipping along and notice that the trailers are going slower than they were for most of the trip, they probably heard something no the radio and you should slow down.


Look for "flashers". NJ tried to outlaw this, but I believe it got overturned. If someone flashes you from the other direction, there is either a cop OR you have your high beams on. (Sometimes I wish I could "flash" behind my car to tell someone to turn off their highs!!!).

Also, I believe that the police may go on a monthly UNOFFICIAL quota system. Start and end of a month usually see more out (not predictable mind you) with guys trying to get their # in before the time is up, or get started early... This is one of the least regularly reliable methods, however....

That is about it. Overall, the main reason (originally) for speeding tickets is to try to get people to drive safely. If you are zipping along at 80 mph on the road, you are a Darwinian nightmare if you do so in the rain and/or 15 feet from someones bumper.

Driving at 80 mph instead of 65 going down the Jersey Shore will only save you 15-20 minutes, all told. Going 90 will only save you an additional 10 over the 80. (100 miles).

What is the point? That is the hardest thing to come to terms with is that you really do not save a hell of a lot of time when you start looking at it. So do what you want, but just realize that that 10 minutes could cost you a lot more, in more ways than just $$.

/end preaching... ;)