trash

[nai]

where does the trash of NYC go?

[Front_Porch]

In my day, it used to be the Palladium :D.

[718Bound]

After Fresh Kills Landfill cloesed NYC trash is either bailed up and put on flatbed trailers or loaded into tipper or "walking floor" trailers and taken to landfills in Upstate NY, PA and I think even Ohio and VA.

FYI Seneca Meadows (in Seneca Falls / Waterloo) is the largest active landfill in New York State

ans this is a walking floor trailer:
http://www.truckpaper.com/images/Truck/fullsize/74643061.jpg

[Punzie]

In my day, it used to be the Palladium :D.

Do you realize how many site members and guests have gone to the Palladium at least once?

[OmegaNYC]

where does the trash of NYC go?


Here:

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[spatulashack]

Here:

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:rolleyes: Both unfunny and predictable. All I know is the Jersey towns surrounding me are cleaner and prettier than anything in the Bronx and Queens AND I'm closer to midtown than those in the outer boroughs. I wish New Yorkers would find new jokes. The only reason our Turnpike is so gross and dirty is because of all the traffic we get from those out of state travelling through Jersey into New York. Notice how the Parkway (which is the road that those living in New Jersey use) is pristine. There is more to Jersey than Elizabeth and Newark and notice how the only "trashy" parts of Jersey are a direct result of being so close to New York. Travel west or south and Jersey is as nice as CT.

[Schadenfrau]

Fair enough, but how long does it take you to get to midtown? People seem to have this ridiculous idea that getting anywhere from the outer boroughs takes some great length of time. From the Bronx, I'm there in 15 minutes at most on the train.

[spatulashack]

Fair enough, but how long does it take you to get to midtown? People seem to have this ridiculous idea that getting anywhere from the outer boroughs takes some great length of time. From the Bronx, I'm there in 15 minutes at most on the train.

From Jersey City it takes about 15 minutes (MAX) from Journal Square to 33rd street using PATH. Hoboken it's about 10 minutes. Further out using NJ Transit, It takes 20 minutes max from the first 3 stations on Main Line, 15 minutes on Montclair-Boontown line, and 10 minutes on Northeast Line. From Seacacus Junction it is about 5 minutes to Penn Station with trains leaving every 10 minutes. I'm not knocking the outer boroughs, I'm just saying people always forget that with NJ Transit Commuter Rail, HBLR, Newark Subway, and PATH trains, New Jersey is remarkably connected to the city and offers faster commutes when compared to outlying areas of Queens and Brooklyn. And with Hudson Bergan Light Rail expanding, new Newark Subway lines, a new Hudson tunnel, and a brand new commuter line under construction soon, I'd say Jersey will look more and more attractive. Thankfully it doesn't take 70 years to get new rail lines under construction on this side of the Hudson.

[Jeffreyny]

where does the trash of NYC go?


Are you kidding? It all gets thrown right onto the streets!

[718Bound]

Trash trend: Cities sell garbage to rural areas

Small towns get cash, but also smells and long-term waste issues

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Each day, trains and trucks like this one in Brooklyn carry 50,000 tons of trash from New York to landfills and incinerators up to 650 miles away in rural towns and poor cities in New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and South Carolina.

Henny Ray Abrams / AP



NEW YORK - The trains that rumble from the Harlem River rail yard in the South Bronx are sealed tight, but there is no mistaking what lies inside them.
The stench gives it away. The trains, some a mile long, are filled with garbage.

The railcars are part of an armada that performs a nearly constant exodus of waste from the nation’s largest city. Each day, trains and trucks carry 50,000 tons of trash from New York to huge landfills and incinerators in New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and South Carolina.


Waste management experts say these types of long hauls have become the norm for big cities as homegrown landfills fill up and close. In 2003, nearly a quarter of all municipal trash in the United States crossed state lines for disposal, according to the Congressional Research Service. Ten states imported at least 1 million tons of trash that year, up from only two states in 2001.

In New York, Mayor Michael Bloomberg is now pushing a proposal to extend his city’s trash hauls even farther, putting garbage on barges that could be shipped up and down the East Coast. The plan is still likely years away from fruition, but it is already fueling a fresh round of debate in places that could be potential destinations.

Paths of least resistance
At issue for many importing states is the smell and the threat to the environment if the garbage is handled improperly — reasons that more urban trash is winding up in rural communities where political resistance is likely to be minimal.
For instance, New York transports more than 1,300 tons of garbage each day to Fox Township, Pa., located in hilly hunting country 130 miles northeast of Pittsburgh.
Michael Keller, a township supervisor, said living near the landfill isn’t that bad because it’s hard to smell or see it from the street. But he can’t shake the worries that the landfill’s protective liners won’t hold up forever.
“My concern is that 50, 60 or 70 years from now, they’ll be saying, ’What were those guys thinking, allowing something like this to be built in this community?”’ he said.
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'Yankee trash' for cash
New York’s new disposal plan is also being closely watched in Virginia, which imported 7.8 million tons of garbage last year, up 67 percent from 1997, according to state figures. The issue has been contentious since laws passed by legislators in the late 1990s seeking to slow the importation of trash were struck down by the courts.


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Trash like these bags in Brooklyn's Prospect Park end up shipped outside the area for disposal.
“It’s easy to get Virginians to say, ’We don’t want Yankee trash,”’ said Michael Town, director of the Virginia chapter of the Sierra Club.
But officials in the Portsmouth area are considering a proposal by a company called American Ref-Fuel to build a port that could receive up to 2,500 tons of waste a day from New York. A fee of between $1 and $1.25 would be paid for every ton brought in, generating $1 million per year, plus as much as $7 million more if enough of the garbage went to an existing incinerator.
“The way we figure it, waste is coming here anyway,” said John Hadfield, executive director of the Southeastern Public Service Authority. “Maybe we can make a silk purse out of this sow’s ear.”

New police cars, fire trucks
A similar flow of cash has certainly helped places like Fox Township.
“We’re rich,” Keller said, noting the township has bought new police cars and fire trucks with trash tipping fees. “We have less than 4,000 people living here, and we have millions of dollars in the bank.”
Despite the concerns of environmentalists, the risks for these communities are also few, said Mickey Flood, chief executive and founder of IESI Corp., a Fort Worth, Texas company that owns landfills throughout the eastern part of the country.

Standard landfills don’t accept hazardous materials, although keeping every hypodermic needle or can of oil out continues to be a challenge. Waste is also transported in sealed containers that are designed to be leak-proof. All water that touches garbage is required to be treated for pollutants, Flood said.
“Landfills in the United States are not environmental issues,” he said. “They are strictly political.”
'Where is their incentive' to dump less?
Still, problems occasionally arise.
In December 2003, two schools near a landfill in northeastern Pennsylvania temporarily shut down when an overwhelming stink made it impossible for students to concentrate in class. Investigators blamed the stench on decaying gypsum board and made adjustments to a system that extracts vapors from the trash and burns them off.
And the Sierra Club's Town raises this point: “Transporting all of this garbage so far away means that the people that generate it don’t have to deal with its consequences. And if that’s the case, where is their incentive to create less of it?”

[OmegaNYC]

:rolleyes: Both unfunny and predictable.


What can I say? OmegaNYC = Smug, de facto New Yorker.

[Ninjahedge]

Solution: Start charging NYC for waste disposal service rather than just having it as part of the tax budget.

You would also ned to keep an eye out for illegal dumping and penalize people for dumping their trash at the corner trashcan.

If it does not cost the people of NYC something directly, they will never truly appreciate how much they are throwing away!

We also need to find better ways to manage our packaging. Styrofoam probably being one of the worst offenders. It is a shame you need a carcinogen like Acetone to dissolve the things down to nothing, or we would have much less of a problem....

[spatulashack]

Solution: Start charging NYC for waste disposal service rather than just having it as part of the tax budget.

You would also ned to keep an eye out for illegal dumping and penalize people for dumping their trash at the corner trashcan.

If it does not cost the people of NYC something directly, they will never truly appreciate how much they are throwing away!

We also need to find better ways to manage our packaging. Styrofoam probably being one of the worst offenders. It is a shame you need a carcinogen like Acetone to dissolve the things down to nothing, or we would have much less of a problem....

That is a terrible idea. New Yorkers would just throw their trash into the streets to save a few bucks a month. No way would that work.

[JCMAN320]

From Jersey City it takes about 15 minutes (MAX) from Journal Square to 33rd street using PATH. Hoboken it's about 10 minutes. Further out using NJ Transit, It takes 20 minutes max from the first 3 stations on Main Line, 15 minutes on Montclair-Boontown line, and 10 minutes on Northeast Line. From Seacacus Junction it is about 5 minutes to Penn Station with trains leaving every 10 minutes. I'm not knocking the outer boroughs, I'm just saying people always forget that with NJ Transit Commuter Rail, HBLR, Newark Subway, and PATH trains, New Jersey is remarkably connected to the city and offers faster commutes when compared to outlying areas of Queens and Brooklyn. And with Hudson Bergan Light Rail expanding, new Newark Subway lines, a new Hudson tunnel, and a brand new commuter line under construction soon, I'd say Jersey will look more and more attractive. Thankfully it doesn't take 70 years to get new rail lines under construction on this side of the Hudson.

Amen spatulashack!!!!! New Jersey rocks NY'ers know where they can shove their ignorant pigheaded stereotypes!!!!!:)

[Schadenfrau]

It's just as ignorant to boast that New Jersey is far more beautiful and close to Manhattan than the outer boroughs.

[OmegaNYC]

Oh, God..... Don't tell me I started another Hudson River War.

OmegaNYC: Fired the opening salvo

[krulltime]

Here:

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Sorry if I laugh... LOL! :D

[ZippyTheChimp]

City Council Bill Would Take Out City's Styrofoam

BY SARAH PORTLOCK - Special to the Sun
August 23, 2007
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/61164

New York City restaurants and government agencies could soon face a ban on Styrofoam-type fast food containers if the City Council passes a bill introduced yesterday.

"It is mind-boggling that our city, which is becoming a leader on environmental issues, is still using Styrofoam when we know it is extremely harmful to our environment and creating massive amounts of waste," the bill's sponsor, Council Member Bill de Blasio, a Democrat of Brooklyn, said. The ban would affect all restaurants and delis; among city agencies, the Department of Education alone uses more than 153 million trays a year in its school cafeterias.

The manager of the Manhattan restaurant Kiran, Amit Saha, said his customers appreciate the separate compartments in the Styrofoam-type boxes he uses for his lunch buffet, particularly when eating different foods with sauces.

"I can put it in aluminum, but the food mixes up," Mr. Shaha, said. "Like chicken curry — how are you going to put the rice with this? It's going to mix up without the three compartments."

Covered by the ban would be containers created from polystyrene, a petroleum-based material that doesn't decompose or easily compact, causing them to take up significant landfill space. The material can also release toxic chemicals when heated in a microwave, according to a report by an environmental group, Earth Resource Foundation. A component of the material, the chemical styrene, is classified as a possible human carcinogen by the Environmental Protection Agency.

"The problem is it doesn't decompose, it just breaks down into smaller and smaller pieces," Earth Resource's executive director, Stephanie Barger, said. "We haven't been around to see how long it takes — it could be anywhere from 100 to 500 years."

Alternatives to Styrofoam-type containers include wax-coated paper containers, Ms. Barger said, and researchers are developing inexpensive bamboo containers and "bioplastics" out of corn or soy starches. The Styrofoam-type containers are typically used because they are inexpensive, she added.

Under the bill, the penalty for providing the containers would be a fine of up to $500 for the first violation and up to $1,000 for consequent violations, and each use of the packaging would be a separate violation.

The first cities to ban the containers were Berkeley, Calif., and Portland, Ore. When San Francisco enacted a ban on the material in June, restaurants replaced Styrofoam-type boxes with biodegradable substitutes that take-out customers said began decomposing when exposed to the heat and moisture of the food they held.

Mr. de Blasio's bill echoes calls by Parents Against Styrofoam in Schools, a group advocating that the Education Department switch to reusable plastic trays or trays that are biodegradable.

Earlier this summer, a state senator introduced similar legislation that would ban all Styrofoam-type containers in the food service industry, and would require them to phase out the products within one year.

[JCMAN320]

New Jersey is a beautiful state and a state full of rich history and tradition and why can't I boast about NJ but you guys can boast abouy NY while putting down NJ with ignorant comments and jokes. Double standard.

I'm not saying that the outer boroughs aren't nice and im not even saying LI isn't nice cus it is and im not insulting those areas either, but NY'ers treat NJ like a third world country and do not want to know anything about NJ but still make false statements and off color comments about the state which is unfair.

There is fairly vocal minority of NY'ers that are plain ignorant and unapologetic when it comes to NJ plain and simple and don't care to learn the facts.