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JCMAN320
February 21st, 2007, 11:27 PM
Catskill Casinos...Fugettaboudit!!

I love that this mans offices is right down the street from me!!:)

Atlantic City and the Meadowlands make New Jersey a two headed gambling monster that NY, CT, PA must bow down to!!!

MANZO'S GAMBLE
Casino - the dream for Meadowlands

Wednesday, February 21, 2007
By CHARLES HACK
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

A Hudson County assemblyman is hoping to slash the state's yawning deficit by turning the Meadowlands into the high-rolling capital of northern New Jersey.

Assemblyman Louis Manzo, D-Jersey City, wants to amend the New Jersey constitution to allow the Legislature to permit casinos to be built in the Meadowlands. He also envisions an amendment to allow slot machines at the Meadowlands Racetrack.

A spokesman for Gov. Jon Corzine's office said that the administration has not seen the assemblyman's bills, and it will be reviewed once they have been introduced.

Manzo outlined his proposals in a letter to the chairman of the Assembly Tourism and Gaming Committee, Assemblyman Jeff Van Drew, D-Cape May.

Currently, casino-type gambling in the state is permitted only in Atlantic City.

Rather than hurting the profits of Atlantic City casinos, Manzo said that allowing gambling in the Meadowlands would help make up for revenue that increasingly will be lost to surrounding states.

Connecticut has four casinos. New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer just announced a new casino next to the Monticello Raceway, in the Catskills, and a casino is being proposed in the Poconos in Pennsylvania.

Manzo said that he envisions just one casino being built at the Meadowlands. He said that the number of slot machines would be determined by a formula based on the population and other factors.

"We don't want to hurt Atlantic City," said Manzo. "Meadowlands could work as well as Reno works for Nevada - without hurting Las Vegas."

The fortunes of the casino would be tied to Xanadu, the controversial retail and entertainment complex planned for the Meadowlands.

"The Meadowlands could be the center of entertainment in north New Jersey," Manzo said. "It would be a financial bonanza for the state."

Manzo is opposed to legislation by state Sen. Ray Lesniak, D-Elizabeth, that would lease the New Jersey Turnpike to private investors as a way to raise revenue.

He said that taxing Meadowlands gambling profits by 50 percent would make a significant dent in the debt - estimated at $30 billion. Manzo said he hopes the revenue generated from a casino and slot machines would reduce the need to cut funding for social programs and avert a sale of the state's toll roads.

Van Drew's office did not return calls last night.

millertime83
February 22nd, 2007, 01:33 PM
NJ is already gambling in the Meadowlands. It's called Xanadu :)

OmegaNYC
February 24th, 2007, 12:16 PM
^^^ ha-ha! You made a funny! :)

JCMAN320
February 24th, 2007, 07:58 PM
I hope Xanadu works, there are projects in Downtown LA, and upstate NY like this so hopefully it works. The Meadowlands casinos I hope work and built around the sport complex.

Also Omega I always wanted a brother and that fact your evil and from Jersey makes all the better. Welcome to the family. :)

JCMAN320
August 3rd, 2007, 02:21 AM
Meadowlands golf developer fined $1M

The company that has been sculpting Meadowlands garbage dumps into golf courses was fined $1 million by the state for allowing methane and other landfill gases to escape.

EnCap Golf Holdings allowed the gases to enter the atmosphere for 10 months ending July 24, according to the state Department of Environmental Protection. It had said that gases were being collected and trucked away.

"This was a significant release,'' DEP Commissioner Lisa Jackson told The Record of Bergen County for today's editions. "Methane is explosive. It is a major contributor to global warming. This fine was a no-brainer.''

The DEP plans a "comprehensive review'' of EnCap operations to determine if its environmental practices are in compliance, Jackson said.

EnCap and its parent company, Cherokee Investment Partners, had no comment for the newspaper. A message left at Cherokee's headquarters in Raleigh, N.C., was not immediately returned.

Meanwhile, the project appears in jeopardy after eight years of effort.

The engineering firm retained by EnCap to close and secure four landfills in Lyndhurst and Rutherford has halted work, the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission said. About half the work remains, some three years after breaking ground.

Little activity was seen at the 800-acre tract yesterday, where up to 2,400 workers had once labored, the newspaper said.

EnCap has also defaulted on provisions of deals with New Jersey. The state loaned it $212 million in 2005.

Associated Press

66nexus
August 3rd, 2007, 01:05 PM
I don't think there should be Meadowlands casinos. AC gets enough competition from NY and Pennsy, 'sides, I think there's enough 'stuff' in Meadowlands already.

JCexpert558
September 12th, 2007, 06:43 AM
All the Meadowlands are trying to do is have another concentration other than sports. But I still think its a bad idea

MikeW
September 14th, 2007, 11:19 AM
I would dearly love to see casinos in the Meadowlands, so I wouldn't have to drive down to AC to play poker.

But do you know how hard the casino companies who have huge investments in AC would fight this?

Personally, I think NYS should fully legalize gambling. But between the above mentioned companies, and the broomstick up the a$$ types who think gambling is immoral, it doesn't look like it will ever happen. Too bad, considering how much tax money, and how many jobs we lose out on.

66nexus
September 15th, 2007, 03:08 AM
The Meadowlands has enough. AC should continue to expand as the state's casino center and if more expansion should be needed surrounding towns should be considered. AC has enough competition from neighboring state slot-parlors

MikeW
September 18th, 2007, 01:22 PM
No.

The need to build a major casino center easily commutable from NYC. Ideally NY should do it, to capture the cash flow from it's own players. But if NJ has the brains and balls to do it first more power to 'em.

It's patently absurd that the nearest large scale, full service casinos are a 2 hour + drive from NYC.


The Meadowlands has enough. AC should continue to expand as the state's casino center and if more expansion should be needed surrounding towns should be considered. AC has enough competition from neighboring state slot-parlors

66nexus
September 18th, 2007, 01:28 PM
No.

The need to build a major casino center easily commutable from NYC. Ideally NY should do it, to capture the cash flow from it's own players. But if NJ has the brains and balls to do it first more power to 'em.

It's patently absurd that the nearest large scale, full service casinos are a 2 hour + drive from NYC.

It is commutable by train (even though its still 2hrs) The nonstop NYC to AC being built.
Absurd?! Just how much gambling does the Northeast need? One cannot brave a 2hr trip to the shore? Or a trip to CT, or PA, or upstate NY?
NYC is a destination in and of itself and does not need gambling. I think anyone in the Northeast who needs more gambling centers has a problem

MikeW
September 18th, 2007, 06:22 PM
The NE needs gambling that's actively convenient to it's largest population center. I want to be able to get out of work, and after minimal traveling, sit down an play poker for a couple of hours, and, again after minimal traveling, be back home so I can get to sleep and be at work the next morning.

Also, ever go to AC or Foxwoods? A good % of the cars in the lot are from NY. Why should Jersey, or the CT indians get to carve up the profits and jobs from NY gamblers, and NY get nothing? This is actively stupid. Keep the money and the jobs here. Hell, if there were gambling in NYC, people from NJ and CT would be dropping money here.


It is commutable by train (even though its still 2hrs) The nonstop NYC to AC being built.
Absurd?! Just how much gambling does the Northeast need? One cannot brave a 2hr trip to the shore? Or a trip to CT, or PA, or upstate NY?
NYC is a destination in and of itself and does not need gambling. I think anyone in the Northeast who needs more gambling centers has a problem

66nexus
September 18th, 2007, 07:09 PM
The NE needs gambling that's actively convenient to it's largest population center. I want to be able to get out of work, and after minimal traveling, sit down an play poker for a couple of hours, and, again after minimal traveling, be back home so I can get to sleep and be at work the next morning.

Also, ever go to AC or Foxwoods? A good % of the cars in the lot are from NY. Why should Jersey, or the CT indians get to carve up the profits and jobs from NY gamblers, and NY get nothing? This is actively stupid. Keep the money and the jobs here. Hell, if there were gambling in NYC, people from NJ and CT would be dropping money here.


You say NY gets nothing as if the place is in dire need:confused:. NY does more than alright.
No one is STEALING jobs from NY, it's not like it's legal in NYC and all the jobs are going to AC. It's because gambling simply isn't allowed there.

You should probably move to Vegas to more suit your needs

MikeW
September 18th, 2007, 09:00 PM
At some point I might move to Vegas, but that's not the point.

The point is that the NYS Legislature should be representing the people of NY, not protecting Donald Trump's casino investments in AC.

You seem to either miss the point, or get the point and don't want to admit it. Your state "It's because gambling simply isn't allowed there". That sounds like your not in NY. If it's New Yorker's who are gambling, NY should get the benefit. Not NJ, not the Mashintucket Pequots or whomever.

If NYS eliminated the constitutional ban on casino gambling and fully legalized it, how long before there are enough casinos in and around NYC to generate 50,000 jobs (which if the pattern hold, would be good, middle class, benefit paying jobs). How long before the city and state get a billion dollars in extra revenue.

And, you know what, it would probably take a big chunk out of AC and Easter CT.. But you know what? NY State should be looking out for the interests of the residents of NY State. If that screws the out of staters (of whom I think you are one), too damn bad.


You say NY gets nothing as if the place is in dire need:confused:. NY does more than alright.
No one is STEALING jobs from NY, it's not like it's legal in NYC and all the jobs are going to AC. It's because gambling simply isn't allowed there.

You should probably move to Vegas to more suit your needs

66nexus
September 18th, 2007, 09:19 PM
At some point I might move to Vegas, but that's not the point.

The point is that the NYS Legislature should be representing the people of NY, not protecting Donald Trump's casino investments in AC.

You seem to either miss the point, or get the point and don't want to admit it. Your state "It's because gambling simply isn't allowed there". That sounds like your not in NY. If it's New Yorker's who are gambling, NY should get the benefit. Not NJ, not the Mashintucket Pequots or whomever.

If NYS eliminated the constitutional ban on casino gambling and fully legalized it, how long before there are enough casinos in and around NYC to generate 50,000 jobs (which if the pattern hold, would be good, middle class, benefit paying jobs). How long before the city and state get a billion dollars in extra revenue.

And, you know what, it would probably take a big chunk out of AC and Easter CT.. But you know what? NY State should be looking out for the interests of the residents of NY State. If that screws the out of staters (of whom I think you are one), too damn bad.

Your argument is weak and here's why: ORIGINALLY you said you wanted Meadowlands Casinos (NJ) in the name of convenience. Now you're trying to sell the argument that you want them in NYS to provide jobs. Which one is it cuz it ain't both.
-I think the real reason is that you have an over-the-top need to gamble and any 2 hour trip is unbearable.
Really...you should REEAALLLY consider moving to Vegas ASAP

-Okay so now legalizing gambling is protecting NY'ers interests? Where were the protests for more casinos? Yeah how dare any NY-er or Jerseyan, etc. spend ANY money in the other state:eek:
-I'm in NJ so I guess that means NJ legislature isn't protecting my interests when I go to a Broadway show. Afterall, why should I have to go ALL the way to NYC?:rolleyes:

You're 50,000+ jobs created in NY is an idea, NOT a fix to a problem.

JCMAN320
September 18th, 2007, 11:10 PM
You just want NY to rule everything and NJ not to have anything and just bow down to NY. Get over your emperialistic attitude. NY is like a black hole and wants to and tries to suck everythign into it.

You "poor, disadvantaged" NY'ers have enough. You guys are doing all right and not in trouble or anything like that. AC revenue makes up alot of the money the state takes in along with tourism ,industry, office, pharamcutical, science and research, etc... For NY it would be a splash in the pan. Grow up.

MikeW
September 18th, 2007, 11:28 PM
The thread was originally about casinos in the Meadowlands. My first few replies were to the effect that they should legalize casinos in NY, but if they're not going to do that, I wouldn't mind seeing them in the Meadowlands. However in no way did I say I prefer casinos in the M'lands over NY.

And yes, I like to play poker. I've done VERY well playing poker. I would like to be able to do so conveniently, legally, and in as pleasent an environment at possible. I don't see why you have a problem with this.

What horse do you have in this race? You live/work in AC? Afraid of a little competition, eh?

FWIW, NY and NJ are competitors. They compete for jobs, economic activity, tax dollars, etc. From my point of view, by banning casino gambling, NY is giving up a competitive advantage to NJ. If you're in NJ, I can see why you'd like this. By NY has no obligation to continue to cede this advantage. If the NYS legislature has any brains (and they've never really shown any sign of such), they'd act to recapture it.

As far as my 50,000+ jobs, there are easily enough unemployed/underemployed workers in NYC and the surrounding counties to fill them, and who would love to fill them. They're incomes would go up. They'd have benefits, which would likely be exercised in NY (adding to the economic activity). That would solve a lot of problems.


Your argument is weak and here's why: ORIGINALLY you said you wanted Meadowlands Casinos (NJ) in the name of convenience. Now you're trying to sell the argument that you want them in NYS to provide jobs. Which one is it cuz it ain't both.
-I think the real reason is that you have an over-the-top need to gamble and any 2 hour trip is unbearable.
Really...you should REEAALLLY consider moving to Vegas ASAP

-Okay so now legalizing gambling is protecting NY'ers interests? Where were the protests for more casinos? Yeah how dare any NY-er or Jerseyan, etc. spend ANY money in the other state:eek:
-I'm in NJ so I guess that means NJ legislature isn't protecting my interests when I go to a Broadway show. Afterall, why should I have to go ALL the way to NYC?:rolleyes:

You're 50,000+ jobs created in NY is an idea, NOT a fix to a problem.

MikeW
September 18th, 2007, 11:31 PM
No, but the reverse is also true. Outside of NJ, no one granted AC an exclusive franchise to gambling. NY has no reason to act as such, especially when doing so doesn't benefit NY.

If NY legalized gambling, NJ would have to find a way to compete. I don't think they'd be able to, especially if they kept the casions 120 miles away.


You just want NY to rule everything and NJ not to have anything and just bow down to NY. Get over your emperialistic attitude. NY is like a black hole and wants to and tries to suck everythign into it.

You "poor, disadvantaged" NY'ers have enough. You guys are doing all right and not in trouble or anything like that. AC revenue makes up alot of the money the state takes in along with tourism ,industry, office, pharamcutical, science and research, etc... For NY it would be a splash in the pan. Grow up.

66nexus
September 18th, 2007, 11:55 PM
The thread was originally about casinos in the Meadowlands. My first few replies were to the effect that they should legalize casinos in NY, but if they're not going to do that, I wouldn't mind seeing them in the Meadowlands. However in no way did I say I prefer casinos in the M'lands over NY.

And yes, I like to play poker. I've done VERY well playing poker. I would like to be able to do so conveniently, legally, and in as pleasent an environment at possible. I don't see why you have a problem with this.

What horse do you have in this race? You live/work in AC? Afraid of a little competition, eh?

FWIW, NY and NJ are competitors. They compete for jobs, economic activity, tax dollars, etc. From my point of view, by banning casino gambling, NY is giving up a competitive advantage to NJ. If you're in NJ, I can see why you'd like this. By NY has no obligation to continue to cede this advantage. If the NYS legislature has any brains (and they've never really shown any sign of such), they'd act to recapture it.

As far as my 50,000+ jobs, there are easily enough unemployed/underemployed workers in NYC and the surrounding counties to fill them, and who would love to fill them. They're incomes would go up. They'd have benefits, which would likely be exercised in NY (adding to the economic activity). That would solve a lot of problems.

All I'm saying is that the NorthEast is flooded with casino zones. I think what you're saying is more like 'casino' parlors instead of major centers. NY and NJ are definitely competitors but the two have different pros and cons. NYC provides a lot of jobs, NJ provides a lot of recreation (and vice versa), the two compliment each other. Of course NY doesn't have to compete but the casino industry is one in which I don't think NY wants to compete, it has SO much to offer that gambling may just be an afterthought.

Nope-don't live/work but definitely play in AC

66nexus
September 18th, 2007, 11:59 PM
No, but the reverse is also true. Outside of NJ, no one granted AC an exclusive franchise to gambling. NY has no reason to act as such, especially when doing so doesn't benefit NY.

If NY legalized gambling, NJ would have to find a way to compete. I don't think they'd be able to, especially if they kept the casions 120 miles away.

AC doesn't have a gambling monopoly in the NE (it's getting pounded by surrounding states' casinos). NY could legalize gambling tomorrow but why would they? The city gets millions upon millions of tourists a year, and is the financial capital of the US

JCMAN320
September 19th, 2007, 12:02 AM
You just don't see it do you. We are already having competition from parlor slots in PA and Upstate NY and as you see in AC thread, we are on our way to making AC a long time stay like LV and LV and AC have practically the same amount of tourists every year with LV having 37 million while AC had 34million people come.

NY has so much why do you need more. You are correct no one said AC should have a monopoly, at the same time the revenue from AC is crucial to NJ, while like I said before, it would only be a splash in the pan for NY.

NY has this insecurity that anything that appears a threat must be squashed, and that happens to be alot of what NJ has. Don't you get you will never take down AC and at the same time us havin AC doesn't cripple NY.

MikeW
September 19th, 2007, 10:19 AM
The major annoyance factor in NY not legalizing gambling is that there is the distinct feeling that the main reason it isn't legal is that AC gambling interests have bought off our state legislature.

The fact that we already have a solid tourist industry and the financial industry is not entirely relevent. The city and state always seem to be scrounging for cash. This usually translates into higher taxes. In point of fact, NYC has the highest combined taxes in the country. One could argue (and I would be happy to do so) that the various government levels in NY should put themselves of a major diet, and shrink their budgets, but that just isn't likely to happen. So, without that, if they need more money, casinos would be a good way of generating it without raising taxes. Why do you think all the other jurisdictions are legalizing it.

And the big kicker is that a major % or the players at the nearest casinos (the aforementioned AC and CT) are NYers. Why should NY money go to NJ or CT (or the CT indians)? I certainly don't blame them for giving NYers an excuse to fork over the money to them. I think they're smart for doing it. I think NY should get a little brighter here, and reel that money back in.

And my own little personal point is that why should NYer have to schlepp a couple of hours to gamble?


AC doesn't have a gambling monopoly in the NE (it's getting pounded by surrounding states' casinos). NY could legalize gambling tomorrow but why would they? The city gets millions upon millions of tourists a year, and is the financial capital of the US

Fabrizio
September 19th, 2007, 10:37 AM
The BEST thing for AC is more competition.

AC is finally trying to upgrade it's image and offerings. Why? Because it's not alone any more. Because there is competition.

Thank God for those slots in Pennsylvania and elswhere. With a monopoly on East Coast gambling, AC would have been perfectly content to remain a slum by the sea.

lofter1
September 19th, 2007, 11:24 AM
I was wondering why no NJ Indian Tribe has set up some gaming competition somewhere within the state.

THIS (http://www.native-languages.org/jersey.htm) gave me the answer:



There are no federally recognized Indian tribes in New Jersey today.

MikeW
September 19th, 2007, 11:48 AM
A long time ago, my sister was friends with a girl who married a Shinnicock <god knows if I spelled that correctly>. Years later, when Indian gaming appeared, I kept asking her if she knew what happened to him, so that we could hook up with them and open a casino on LI.

lofter1
September 19th, 2007, 12:00 PM
Right now a casino is not something the Shinnecock tribe is legally able to do ...

Last month:

Rudy draws from Shinnecock casino champions

NEWSDAY (http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2007/08/rudy_draws_from_shinnecock_cas.html)
Glenn Thrush
August 15, 2007

Businessmen who are partnering with the Shinnecock tribe to build a $20 million casino on the East End are hosting a fundraiser for Rudy Giuliani in Detroit on Monday, Aug. 27, Newsday has learned.

Michael Malik, along with Michael and Marian Ilitch, who have paid lobbyists more than $1.1 million to push for the controversial development and recognition of the tribes by the feds, are listed as "captains" at a fundraiser to be held at the Yankees-Tigers game.

Tickets run from $1,000 to $2,300 a pop, according to the invite.

***

A couple of years ago ...

Shinnecocks Vote Out A Major Casino Proponent

NY TIMES
By JULIA C. MEAD
April 10, 2005

Lance Gumbs, the chairman of the Shinnecock Nation's board of trustees and a driving force behind the Southampton tribe's proposed casino, was voted out of office Tuesday after four years as a trustee. In its annual election, the tribe chose Randy King as its new chairman and re-elected the other incumbents, James Eleazar and Charles Smith.

Mr. Gumbs, an entrepreneur whose ventures include a tax-free cigarette shop on the tribe's reservation, did not respond to two messages seeking comment.

Under his leadership, the Shinnecocks proposed two years ago to build a 52,000-square-foot casino on tribal land in Hampton Bays and accepted a $1.5 million advance payment from a casino developer. A judge halted construction pending the outcome of a federal lawsuit by the state attorney general's office and Southampton Town, who say that the Shinnecocks need federal recognition as a tribe to operate a casino.

That suit is still moving through the pretrial process; a trial is not expected to start before this summer.

On Wednesday, Mr. Smith said that the incoming board had yet to decide whether the tribe would change direction on the casino issue.

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

MikeW
September 19th, 2007, 02:56 PM
It seems like Massachusetts is getting with the program

http://www.lvrj.com/business/9872447.html

66nexus
September 19th, 2007, 11:22 PM
The major annoyance factor in NY not legalizing gambling is that there is the distinct feeling that the main reason it isn't legal is that AC gambling interests have bought off our state legislature.

The fact that we already have a solid tourist industry and the financial industry is not entirely relevent. The city and state always seem to be scrounging for cash. This usually translates into higher taxes. In point of fact, NYC has the highest combined taxes in the country. One could argue (and I would be happy to do so) that the various government levels in NY should put themselves of a major diet, and shrink their budgets, but that just isn't likely to happen. So, without that, if they need more money, casinos would be a good way of generating it without raising taxes. Why do you think all the other jurisdictions are legalizing it.

And the big kicker is that a major % or the players at the nearest casinos (the aforementioned AC and CT) are NYers. Why should NY money go to NJ or CT (or the CT indians)? I certainly don't blame them for giving NYers an excuse to fork over the money to them. I think they're smart for doing it. I think NY should get a little brighter here, and reel that money back in.

And my own little personal point is that why should NYer have to schlepp a couple of hours to gamble?

Why SHOULDN'T NY money go to NJ or CT? I don't know why you're against it. You make it seem like outsourcing to another country altogether lol

MikeW
September 20th, 2007, 11:11 AM
I don't mind CT or NJ having casinos and competing for the business. I just think it's stupid tha NY doesn't have casinos and isn't competing for the business. I would both expect and hope that if NY legalized casinos in the NYC Metro area, that NJ and CT would do the same, creating a heavily competitve gaming market.

Why do you think that NY should just step aside, and not compete with CT and NJ?


Why SHOULDN'T NY money go to NJ or CT? I don't know why you're against it. You make it seem like outsourcing to another country altogether lol

66nexus
September 22nd, 2007, 05:57 PM
Why do you think that NY should just step aside, and not compete with CT and NJ?

They shouldn't. But I think if they wanted to, they perhaps would've done already

investordude
September 22nd, 2007, 09:00 PM
To get this to happen, you'd have to get it through the Jersey legislature. Logical or not, Atlantic City lobbyists will fight to kill it. And surrounding communities will probably question traffic and crime issues, since casino traffic will almost certainly be during the week whereas currently the Meadowlands is usually clogging roads away from rush hour.

I think if we're going to do this, it should be in a place like Newark that is economically depressed [needs jobs] and accessible by public transportation, provided the casinos are structured to benefit rather than isolate the surrounding communities - which is a mistake Atlantic City made. Without the public transit, a place this close to New York will put too much stress on roads and too many drunk drivers on them as well.

Jaeger
September 23rd, 2007, 09:34 AM
I can never understand why NY City doesn't have casinos, go to London, Paris or most big cities and there arew lots of casinos.

In the US you have to drive miles to some out of town indian mega casino complex or an equally long distance to a coastal gambling resort.

While the rest of the world doesn't have as many mega casinos, they do have smaller city casinos, which serve the cities.

investordude
September 25th, 2007, 07:01 PM
I think American attitudes towards legalizing "vice" businesses is shaped by higher crime rates in US cities when compared to London or Paris. Recently, crime in New York is down but I think most New Yorkers who remember pre-Giuliani times are still hostile to vice businesses.

I kind of agree that its not a logical comparison. Personally, while we're on the subject, I'll raise you one further and say the US should permit some form of brothel or escort business that's regulated to protect women from exploitation, like they do in most major countries from Japan to Canada to Germany. I think the US policies on these things actually increase crime because they leave people without what they need for a release.

But, its never going to change, and New York will go another 50 years without a casino ever being built here.

poppad
April 9th, 2008, 10:47 AM
I think they should make prostitution illegal in Jersey too. Just kidding. I hope xanadu is successfull but I am more concerned about the traffic this will create in the area. They should do something about the roads first, and also use some of the tax money generated from these projects to pay for the parkway and turnpike so we can use these as free alternatives to get around now that rt 3 and 17 will become even more congested.

NYatKNIGHT
April 9th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Hopefully people will realize they'll be able to get there using NJ Transit and opt for that instead of paying the higher cost of parking.

millertime83
March 1st, 2011, 01:56 PM
Casino, convention center proposed for Meadowlands Sports Complex

A casino, convention center, six hotels, spa and an aquatics center are among the components of an ambitious proposal for the Meadowlands Sports Complex unveiled Monday by local business leaders at a press conference in Rutherford.

The proposal by the Meadowlands Regional Chamber of Commerce — actually two similar plans — comes as the fate of both the Meadowlands track and the Izod Center are on the table.

via http://www.northjersey.com/topstories/carlstadt/Chamber_unveils_two_visions_for_Meadowlands_.html

http://i.imgur.com/k0ftz.jpg

Ninjahedge
March 3rd, 2011, 07:56 AM
We all know, you need a casino if you have a convention center... :rolleyes:

BBMW
March 9th, 2011, 10:45 AM
^
If you're putting all those people in the same place, at the same time, you might as well come up with a way of making more money off of them.

Oh, and it's not like a casino withing a half hour of Manhattan wouldn't be a money maker on it owns.

arcman210
March 10th, 2011, 10:51 AM
I think the fear of AC is that a Meadowlands casino would be so successful, there would be the desire to open more than one. Then again, AC is still losing patrons to neighboring states even without the Meadowlands casino.

The Meadowlands casino is bound to happen one day, AC needs to start thinking about its future differently than just building more casinos.

BBMW
March 10th, 2011, 11:29 AM
AC is a dead issue. The PA casinos are crushing it.

If NJ wants to protect it's gaming revenue, it has to put it's casinos where the gamblers are (NNJ near NYC and down by Philly), not have them in the middle of nowhere and expect the gamblers to come to them.

arcman210
March 10th, 2011, 01:35 PM
AC's casinos are much better and offer better comps and rewards to returning customers, they also offer more in terms of entertainment and there's of course the beach in the summer. All of that needs to be combined with an imrpoved nightlife outside of the casinos and more family attractions, then AC will be better off. It's not that the PA casinos are crushing it. High rollers still continue to head to AC. From what I've heard, the PA casinos and racinos suck compared to AC and even the Connecticut reservation casinos.

The Meadowlands casino would cater to the more casual, day trip gambler... such as older folk who don't want to deal with a 2 hour drive to play nickel slots.

stache
March 10th, 2011, 07:45 PM
Who still has nickel slots?

arcman210
March 10th, 2011, 11:07 PM
Nickel slots? Try penny slots! They're everywhere. I dont unerstand it, might as well just put the whole $20 on red.

JCMAN320
March 21st, 2014, 12:28 AM
N.J. Senate President Sweeney dashes prospect for Meadowlands casino for now

March 19, 2014, 4:49 PM
By JOHN BRENNAN
Staff Writer The Record

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N.J. state Senate President Steve Sweeney speaks at a news conference in Atlantic City on Wednesday, March 19, 2014.

Speaking in Atlantic City on Wednesday, state Senate President Stephen Sweeney poured a bucket of cold water on the prospects for a Meadowlands casino in the near future.

The south Jersey Democrat said he would use the formidable power of his office to thwart any legislation — or even formal discussion by lawmakers — that furthers the concept of a casino outside of the seaside resort until February of 2016, the end of the five years that Gov. Christie and legislative leaders gave Atlantic City casinos to reverse a the persistent decline in their fortunes.

“Listen, as long as I’m alive and I’m the Senate president, we’re not moving [such bills],” said Sweeney, during a news conference on sports betting timed to the beginning of the “March Madness” NCAA men’s basketball tournament. “I made a deal, and my word is good. We’ll talk about it after the five years. That’s when we would start having a discussion” about whether to end Atlantic City’s 36-year statewide monopoly on casino gambling.

State Senators Paul Sarlo (D-Wood-Ridge) and Richard Codey (D-Essex) and Assemblyman Ralph Caputo (D-Essex) are among the legislators who recently suggested that now was the time to start preliminary research into the feasibility of a Meadowlands casino, to give the state a head start when the Atlantic City moratorium ends in two years.

But Sweeney said such talk continues to hamper the casino industry’s efforts to attract new investment. In February 2011 Gov. Christie signed the law that also created a city Tourism District, simplified state regulations, and greatly increased the marketing budget for the Atlantic City.

“The thing that frustrated me most is the day we signed the bill, everyone started talking about going outside of Atlantic City,” Sweeney said. “That doesn’t help, when people are trying to make investments and make decisions [about whether to invest in Atlantic City]. People pause, and investors pause. I’ve upheld my end of the [five-year] deal, and we’ve had a whole lot of other people trying to undermine it.”

Sweeney said that if a Meadowlands casino opened and one or two Atlantic City casinos closed as a result, “that’s not really a net gain” for the state.

Christie also has consistently backed the five-year moratorium. But Caputo and other legislators saw an opening when, in December he said that 2014 would be a “crucial year” for the casino industry to show that it can rebound from a long decline that led to gross revenues in 2013 that were barely half that of the $5 billion mark reached in 2006. Competition from new casinos in New York and eastern Pennsylvania has contributed to declines that the increased marketing efforts have yet to reverse.

Sweeney, Atlantic City Mayor Don Guardian, and state Senator James Whelan, D-Atlantic, were among the elected officials who spoke Wednesday at the Irish Pub near the Boardwalk in support of the state’s bid for the U.S. Supreme Court to hear its case against a 1992 federal law that essentially limits sports gambling to Nevada. Federal courts have ruled that New Jersey’s plan to allow sports betting at the state’s racetracks and Atlantic City casinos violates that law.

While the nation’s highest court takes on only a small fraction of appeals, Sweeney predicted the state had “a 50-50 chance, if not better” of the Court accepting this request. He predicted that the state’s argument against the validity of the federal law — allowing four states to offer Las Vegas-style sports betting but barring the other 46 from doing so — would be a “slam dunk” to win if the court hears the case.

State tax revenues from online gaming – which went live statewide in late November – are averaging about $1.5 million per month, just a fraction of what Christie had predicted last year. But Sweeney predicted that revenues “would get stronger and stronger.”

Sweeney, a longtime critic of the original Revel casino management team, said that a rumored takeover by the Hard Rock International casino and hotel company would be “an enormous improvement.”

“Revel is a beautiful property, and if you bring a Hard Rock name – a brand name in – you’ll see the numbers take off,” Sweeney said. The $2.4 billion Revel casino opened in 2012 and went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization less than a year later.

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BBMW
March 21st, 2014, 11:47 PM
To bad the NY amendment stalled anything in NYC in the short term. Let them drop a casino on the west side, and NJ will have a casino in the Meadowlands built and operating in six months.