Deutsche Bank 3D model

[Joelio]

Acting upon Viktorkrum's request, this thread is going to follow the construction of my 3D model of the Deutsche Bank Building (aka 130 Liberty Street).

If I gave you an accurate façade detail of 130 Liberty Street would you be able to make it?

It will a structurally accurate (or as accurate as I can make it) model that will include internal columns, seperate floors and, most importantly, an accurate facade made entirely out of Polygonal Objects. No materials, except basic black and grey etc and glass on the various objects.

I haven't made a start yet, but I do have the following to work from...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s62/WorkingFilms/130libertystreet-1.png

[Viktorkrum77]

As it goes down, we bring it up!! :p

I need an expert to approve that drawing.

[Joelio]

Lol. It's good enough for now.

[Joelio]

The draft, using the above material. Was the building a square? And can I have some roof details please, Mr. Krum? (Sorry for the name - I don't know what else to call you - Viktor?)

[Viktorkrum77]

Yes, it was a square.

Roof details:

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=231421

You can make more sense of this than me, but apparently somehow the building was like 3 WTC and raised off the ground:

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2962&d=1163276719

And I have just had a huge realization I must change in the original drawing, so don't do anything with it until I update it.

[Joelio]

Shot, as my friend would say (Meaning, nice one, that's what I wanted to hear).

Don't forget there was the Plaza, which connected to the WTC by a bridge in between 2 and 4 WTC. So, essentially, it was raised to the same height of the WTC.

Look here, in my model.

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[Joelio]

It's also seen in that Emporis link you gave me...


http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=231421

Down the bottom; you can see a small bridge going out of frame.

[Viktorkrum77]

http://www.freewebs.com/viktorkrum77/

This is the new 90% accurate image. The reflecting sun made me switch back and fourth between what were the faux panels and what were the office windows, but thanks to some new photos I discovered, it's fixed for good.

[Viktorkrum77]

I still don't understand how the building being above street level made it possible to enter the lobby, since the lobby's at the bottom of the black façade. And then, this part that was raised, was it seriously a boring manila color, why not just place the building on the ground like One Liberty Plaza and the World Financial Towers, or build a real base that copied the façade. This whole thing perplexes me.

[Joelio]

OK, thanks. I'll keep you updated.

I'll work on it tomorrow, maybe in the morning, maybe in the afternoon. It depends on what I have to do... I still have last week's homework to do.

Oh and BTW I have an overlay of Lower Manhattan for Google Earth from before 9/11. I can use that for roof details.

Cheers.

[Joelio]

I still don't understand how the building being above street level made it possible to enter the lobby, since the lobby's at the bottom of the black façade. And then, this part that was raised, was it seriously a boring manila color, why not just place the building on the ground like One Liberty Plaza and the World Financial Towers, or build a real base that copied the façade. This whole thing perplexes me.

Maybe the plaza raised above lobby level, and there were stairs from the lobby up to the plaza? Maybe it wasn't raised, but the plaza was just kind of "glued on to the side" of the building? If you get my drift...

I had the same conversation in my head before I realised the WTC plaza was raised. Seriously. I had no idea how the mezzanine in the tower lobby - clearly above ground level - could possibly by the entrance from the plaza level. :D

[Viktorkrum77]

Might I recommend posting the updated façade on the first post?

[Viktorkrum77]

I'm a genius:

[Stern]

Will you render the demolition of the building in 3-D, that would be really cool?

[Joelio]

What do you mean by the demolition? Oh, and nice work, Viktor. That's what I needed. :)

[Stern]

What do you mean by the demolition? Oh, and nice work, Viktor. That's what I needed. :)

They're currently demolishing the building.

[Joelio]

Might I recommend posting the updated façade on the first post?

Done. :)

[Joelio]

They're currently demolishing the building.

Ah, okay. Um... I don't know. I'm not really sure what it would look like, and I tried building the WTC rubble once and in Bryce it was hard. But that was different... I don't know. Let me finish this one first, then I'll think about it.

[Joelio]

The basic layout of the supporting columns. I think it's probably around 90-95% accurate, apart from the shape of the columns, which I will edit later. I used a grid that was 7 x 7 (like your diagram, Viktor) and so it should be just about right.

Thank god for grids.

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[Joelio]

Oh, and I also have to edit the placement of the [not currently] offset core columns. That looks weird in the diagram...

[Stern]

Joelio, instead of making four subsequent posts, try condensing all your thoughts into a single post.

[Joelio]

Yeah, I have that problem - I say one thing, then I have one thought and I post another one, then I notice someone's posted while I was posting, so I have to reply...

Sorry about that.

[Joelio]

There - I just moved the columns around to make the offset columns and changed the design so that the columns looked more structural. I'd say it's about 99% accurate - I haven't calculated the proper height yet, but I'll get around to it.

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Would the outer columns be black?

[Viktorkrum77]

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=381520

They were red, covered in a black façade.

BTW use the "Edit" buttom so you don't piss off any mods.

[Joelio]

^^ I will from now on, but it makes you look like you've got something to hide..

I've got some floors in now, but I'm at school so I can't give any updates. It's looking pretty flash. :D

[LeCom]

Shot, as my friend would say (Meaning, nice one, that's what I wanted to hear).

Don't forget there was the Plaza, which connected to the WTC by a bridge in between 2 and 4 WTC. So, essentially, it was raised to the same height of the WTC.

Look here, in my model.

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I don't think I've even been on that bridge, as well as the Deutsche Bank plaza. Shame.

Anyone have some ground level DB pictures before 9/11 - plaza, street connection, etc?

[Joelio]

Here's the first few floors. They are almost exactly in line with Viktor's map. I still need to edit the position of some of them in terms of how far out they come, but I'll get to it.

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[Viktorkrum77]

We have an issue regarding the floors, as in most skyscrapers, they are misleading, see the diagram attached.

BTW If you want to create a One Liberty Plaza and the World Financial Center I'll be happy to make them on paint as well.

[Joelio]

I was actually planning to make the WFC, although I don't know what 1 Liberty is. Coud you give me some pics?

I'd like the WFC.

[Viktorkrum77]

I was actually planning to make the WFC, although I don't know what 1 Liberty is. Coud you give me some pics?

I'd like the WFC.

You should look-up some of the surrounding buildings. Here's One Liberty Plaza, damaged but reoccupied.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=1libertyplaza-newyorkcity-ny-usa

[Joelio]

Ah, okay. I know that building, but I didn't know what it was called. I might have a look at it; I just need to get through the WTC, 130LS and the WFC before I make any more plans. Can you get me the WFC?

[Viktorkrum77]

Ah, okay. I know that building, but I didn't know what it was called. I might have a look at it; I just need to get through the WTC, 130LS and the WFC before I make any more plans. Can you get me the WFC?

In a month, that's how long I'd estimate it to take to recreate the façade of all of those buildings.

[Viktorkrum77]

Regarding the WFC, I'm not sure how to do it without giving you a separate façade for each plane, because the building has so many varying planes aka façades.

[Joelio]

OK, that's cool. I'll start work on a block version of it, and then make a proper one afterwards.

[Joelio]

How's that WFC facade coming along?

I haven't been working on 130 Liberty lately - recent "events" (such as a deadline on the completion of the WTC and also a heavy, HEAVY load of homework) have been preventing me. However, it's the start of the school holidays now, so I'll definitely have a chance on continuing some time in the next two weeks.

[Viktorkrum77]

How's that WFC facade coming along?

I haven't been working on 130 Liberty lately - recent "events" (such as a deadline on the completion of the WTC and also a heavy, HEAVY load of homework) have been preventing me. However, it's the start of the school holidays now, so I'll definitely have a chance on continuing some time in the next two weeks.

Yea, I am not in school anymore, so I can work on it whenever I'm not working.

BTW the WFC has one hell of a façade, are you sure you want to even attempt it? I'm already haviing withdrawals.

[Joelio]

Maybe I could just texture the buildings. Or even just one of the buildings. If you could make all four sides of one building I could just make one of them.

Or, if it gets too complicated, you can try 1 Liberty. The choice is yours; I don't mind either way.

[Joelio]

Hey, Viktor, on your drawing, which bits are the windows and which are the floors? Above the lobby level, I mean. There's the darker colour and the lighter, greeny colour. Which one is which?

[Viktorkrum77]

Hey, Viktor, on your drawing, which bits are the windows and which are the floors? Above the lobby level, I mean. There's the darker colour and the lighter, greeny colour. Which one is which?

Dark=windows, light=fake façade between floors. Remember the ventilation diagram though when matching the floors to the building.

[Joelio]

OOOOH, I didn't realize it was fake facade. So I'll make that reflective too, won't I?

And what's the ventialtion diagram?