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Punzie
April 4th, 2007, 03:05 AM
(Preface: The sub-forum I'm proposing would be separate from the TLOZ Link5 Project (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=42) sub-forum.)

Suggestion: A sub-forum dedicated to notable passings. Begin by collecting all past obituaries from the News and Anything Goes forums and putting them in this sub-forum.

Rationale for suggestion: I first thought of suggesting this when Anna Nicole Smith's death was announced and discussed in the News Forum. Not surprisingly, the thread was taking a very dark-humorous turn. But the thread was also taking attention away from more far-reaching news topics such as the Iraq War, global warming, North Korea's nukes, and, of course, all of Great Britain's problems.:o

Also, sometimes there is a death that is somewhat notable, but may actually belong to a topic category. For instance, the last of the World War I veterans are centarians and appear to be dropping rapidly. The sub-forum could have topic categories as diverse as WWI vets, lesser-known architects, lesser-known NYC politicians/public servants, minor/obscure celebrities, etc.

Ghoulish as my suggestion sounds, it sure beats having obituaries randomly scattered about the News and Anything Goes forums. What do other people think?

Schadenfrau
April 4th, 2007, 09:31 AM
Not unless we also get a forum devoted to the discussion of America's Next Top Model.

Ninjahedge
April 4th, 2007, 09:37 AM
I am not for it either.

This is primarily an archetectural/building site for the city of NY.

Going outside of that, there is advice for people about NY, buildings in other areas, news (which is on almost any site no matter what the core theme/subject), and an "anything goes" site.

This is not an entertainment site, or primary news site. I would personally find it rather off-putting to have an entire sub-forum on "Celebrity deaths".

ZippyTheChimp
April 4th, 2007, 09:47 AM
And I would insist on a Celebrities You'd Like to See Make The List sub-subforum.

Punzie
April 4th, 2007, 01:38 PM
If members oppose my idea, then so be it, but they should know what they are opposing:

Sub-forum: Notable Passings and Tributes - would include:

- One topic for each notable architect who passes away.

- One topic to cover all lesser-known architects' passings.

- One topic for each notable photographer who passes away.

- One topic to cover all lesser-known photographers' passings.

- One topic for each notable NYC public policy figure who passes away.

- One topic to cover all lesser-know NYC public policy figures' passings.

- One topic to cover passings of odd or lesser-known celebrities


- These topics already posted would also be included:

Rosa Parks
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7689

Jane Jacobs
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9138

Ed Bradley
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11376

Molly Ivans
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12446

Russian Critic of Putin
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11796

Sid Davis (Film maker)
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11385

Damon Allen (NYC hero gunned down)
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10582

"Tokyo Rose"
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10863

Anne Richards
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10677

Betty Friedan
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8394

Pope John Paul II
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6026

Yasir Arafat
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5410

Ronald Reagan
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4924

James Brown
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11903

John Lennon (anniversary tribute)
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7973


Albert Einstein (anniversary tribute)
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6105


Steve McQueen (anniversary tribute)
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7785


- Anna Nicole Smith, John Inman, Betty Comden and Mickey Hargatay might not have gotten their own topics with my suggested sub-forum. They may have been posted in the topic that covers passings of odd or lesser-known celebrities.

For reference, here are their individual topics:

John Inman
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12970

Betty Comden
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11597

Mickey Hargatay
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10747

Anna Nicole Smith
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12543

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And now an addition to my original suggestion:

One topic in my proposed sub-forum where we could post memoriams of 9/11 victims whom we personally knew.:(

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Hypothetical question to the 3 members (above) who opposed my suggestion:

If a highly-esteemed member such as Lofter1 had proposed it, would you have taken it seriously?

ryan
April 4th, 2007, 01:57 PM
Personally think that this kind of structure is more confusing than organizing. What is intuitive to one person is obtuse to the next. And I only use the "new posts" and search buttons.

(and I hate that bitch Renee - who does she think she is?)

Punzie
April 4th, 2007, 02:08 PM
Ryan, I thank you for taking my suggestion seriously before you made a judgement.

It looks complicated (because I detailed it so much), but the sub-forum is basically a list of notable passings, obituaries, and a few tributes to the late greats.

Renee?:confused:

Ninjahedge
April 4th, 2007, 02:17 PM
We all are Rap.

We are also trying not to offend you, even though most of us find it rather gruesome and unnecessary as an entirely different sub-forum.

Count how many forums, subforums and other additions (liek sticky posts) we have here already. More would not make life here any easier.

You have asked our opinions, and we have given them. None of us have trashed your idea, but so far none of us seem to enthusiastic about it being included, no matter what you say to support it.

So do NOT take it personally!

Ninjahedge
April 4th, 2007, 02:20 PM
If a highly-esteemed member such as Lofter1 had proposed it, would you have taken it seriously?

Rhetorical question meant to imply that we think less of you.

Are you feeling insecure? Persecuted?

Do you want an answer to that or are you just bringing it up to try to illustrate a point that you feel needs to be addressed?

To answer your question, I would have responded the same way if Lofter, Zippy, or even Edward suggested it.

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2007, 02:40 PM
I might have considered it if ablarc had proposed it.

ZippyTheChimp
April 4th, 2007, 02:52 PM
Count how many forums, subforums Don't have to count. This morning, I removed 16 identical posts, one for each forum.

The sub-forums attract spam. I guess it's because they are usually hidden on the main page and the moderators will miss them. Events was popular; now it's the TLOZ sub-forum. Took out several in the last 2 days.

This isn't Wired Des Moines. We have a lot on our plate; no need to be all things to all people. There are sites devoted to obits.


Hypothetical question to the 3 members (above) who opposed my suggestion:

If a highly-esteemed member such as Lofter1 had proposed it, would you have taken it seriously?Give me a break.

A lot of humor is thrown around here. I would have responded the same way if Lofter1 had proposed it. Hypothetically, I wonder how he would have reacted.

ZippyTheChimp
April 4th, 2007, 02:52 PM
I might have considered it if ablarc had proposed it.I would have banned him.

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Ban Ablarc and I'm joining Wired Des Moines.

ZippyTheChimp
April 4th, 2007, 03:02 PM
^
You both can go there and become moderators. Probably run the place in a week.

I just know someone from Des Moines is going to wander here and yell at me.

Schadenfrau
April 4th, 2007, 03:08 PM
I'm reconsidering this whole idea now that I've realized personal accounts of September 11th victims could be posted alongside annual death-tributes to Steve McQueen and Russian Critic of Putin.

ZippyTheChimp
April 4th, 2007, 03:12 PM
Celebrity Death Beeper (http://www.celebritydeathbeeper.com/)

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2007, 03:17 PM
http://www.deathlist.net/

ZippyTheChimp
April 4th, 2007, 03:27 PM
Yeah, people usually let themselves go after 100.

Punzie
April 4th, 2007, 03:47 PM
I'm reconsidering this whole idea now that I've realized personal accounts of September 11th victims could be posted alongside annual death-tributes to Steve McQueen and Russian Critic of Putin.
Schade, our relationship went so much more smoothly when we stuck to the subject of our pet cats. How is your calico cutie doing these days, anyway?

Punzie
April 4th, 2007, 04:10 PM
http://www.deathlist.net/
:) You made my day -- my teenage heartthrobs, Louis Jourdan and Van Johnson, are not on The List!!

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2007, 04:25 PM
Whoa! Your TEENAGE heartthrobs... Van Johnson and Louis Jourdan?

So what was it like being a teen in the 1940's?

ablarc
April 4th, 2007, 05:18 PM
:)Louis Jourdan and Van Johnson
Square jaws.

NoyokA
April 4th, 2007, 09:21 PM
There just isnt enough demand for such a subforum. WNY started out with very few forums, the new forums were all created out of a huge demand for them. For instance New York Real Estate was being flooded with Brooklyn developments so a Brooklyn subforum was created. At the time the Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx, and SI Real Estate subforum was created another senior member suggested making a Commercial Real Estate subforum, but because there wasn't as much interest in that subject, it was made a sticky instead. If a strong interest is developed in news and politics all of a sudden about obituaries, then maybe it'll recieve some consideration, but right now the interest and demand just isn't there.

Punzie
April 4th, 2007, 09:38 PM
There just isnt enough demand for such a subforum. WNY started out with very few forums, the new forums were all created out of a huge demand for them.
Cool, I understand now. When I admin or moderate a message board, as soon as there is a hefty chunk of topics that could logically comprise a sub-forum, I create one. I am SO into modularity!

Now I see that on WNY, modularity is not as important as overall demand and usage.:)

Ninjahedge
April 5th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Um, over-modularity makes it difficult to browse.

Sort of like having seperate televisions to see only a select grouping of channels based on what they were showing.

While some grouping is efficient, over-grouping can become a beaurocratic morass and you end up getting a lot of cross-forum posts that need relocation...

Punzie
April 5th, 2007, 09:25 PM
We are also trying not to offend you...

...

... So do NOT take it personally!
Truly, there is no need to use kid gloves around me. I've seen it all so many thousands of times that I take nothing on message boards personally and it's impossible to offend me. But thank you for caring.

BrooklynRider
April 5th, 2007, 10:52 PM
I am not for it either.

This is primarily an archetectural/building site for the city of NY.

Going outside of that, there is advice for people about NY, buildings in other areas, news (which is on almost any site no matter what the core theme/subject), and an "anything goes" site.

This is not an entertainment site, or primary news site. I would personally find it rather off-putting to have an entire sub-forum on "Celebrity deaths".

I kind of agree. I think the less sub-forums the better. Although, in Rapunzel's defense, we did do a bit of a reorg three or four years ago. At that time, we broke out the outer boroughs real estate from Manhattan, added NY Metro, Photos, Events and some other things. But I think that those served the overall thrust of Skyscrapers, Architecture and "Everything New York."

I don't think obituaries do, because people aren't coming here for that kind of info.

BrooklynRider
April 5th, 2007, 10:56 PM
A lot of humor is thrown around here. I would have responded the same way if Lofter1 had proposed it. Hypothetically, I wonder how he would have reacted.

He would have posted 97 obituaries in one day BEFORE making the request. He's a strategist.

BrooklynRider
April 5th, 2007, 11:06 PM
Obviously, I'm reading all of this a little late. Nevermind.

Punzie
May 4th, 2007, 10:05 AM
He would have posted 97 obituaries in one day BEFORE making the request. He's a strategist.

Hey Lofter, out there, would you have done something like this?


BR, don't you know that the most talented strategists in the world are unknown? (Or known way after the fact...) Also, the best criminals in the world will never be caught!