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trader
May 12th, 2007, 12:18 PM
i was in sf before visiting ny, and i heard sf has the largest gay population in north america, but walking around the streets in ny, especially in the village area, i was wondering how ny's gay community would compare with that in sf? (fyi, i'm straight)

lesterp4
May 12th, 2007, 12:38 PM
It has been estimated that there are almost 1 mil. gays in nyc. Sf only has a total pop. of 600,000. The percentage is higher in sf. , but not the actual number.

OmegaNYC
May 12th, 2007, 01:19 PM
^^ Actually, San Fran is much bigger than that. (around 750,000 people) 1 million gays living in New York? 1/8th of the population of New York is gay? I find that a little hard to believe. San Fran is just a gay friendly town. NYC may have a lot of gays, but there is some backlash to gays in NYC if you step out of the village.

BrooklynRider
May 12th, 2007, 06:03 PM
New York City has the largest gay population of any city in the U.S. I find the comment about "backlash if they leave the village" to be ignorant of facts and the city overall. This city does not have a gay ghetto in the Village. Gays live everywhere in this city. They are no longer an isolated minority. There isn't really a "gay neighborhood" although the application to move PrideFest to Chelsea probably represents the shift of gay entertainment and nightlife from the Village to Chelsea. However, gay clubs, bars and restaurants can be found from the Village up to the Upper West Side and from the Lower East Side up to the Upper East Side in Manhattan.

In larger boroughs like Brooklyn and Queens, hot neighborhoods for gay residency include Brooklyn Heights, Fort Greene, Park Slope, Williamsburg, Brooklyn Heights, Carrol Gardens and Flatbush in Brooklyn, and Jackson Heights, Astoria, Kew Gardens and Forest Hills in Queens.

San Francisco has the Castro District. San Francisco is a much more liberal city than New York, so perhaps that is where the perception comes from.

trader
May 12th, 2007, 09:34 PM
i appreciate it!

ManhattanKnight
May 12th, 2007, 10:09 PM
As a gay man and a long-time resident of the West Village, I second almost all of BR's observations. We're everywhere, not just in the Village or Chelsea, and thriving. SF's a special case, and I'm not at all sure that it's "much more liberal" than NYC. It's more than 90% smaller and has more than its fair share of aggressively-rabid right-wing bigots.

BrooklynRider
May 12th, 2007, 11:52 PM
Point taken, but we've had back to back two-term Republican mayors. Has that ever happened in SF?

ryan
May 13th, 2007, 10:08 AM
NYC may have a lot of gays, but there is some backlash to gays in NYC if you step out of the village.

I've never experienced any backlash anywhere in nyc - and I'm sensitive to it after growing up in a place where people threw bricks at me and regularly yelled slurrs out of passing cars.

ManhattanKnight
May 13th, 2007, 12:37 PM
Point taken, but we've had back to back two-term Republican mayors. Has that ever happened in SF?

Yes (though I'm not sure about the 2-term part). 5 Republicans served successively as SF mayor between 1912 and 1964! SF is also where one of their Democratic successors, George Moscone, and the city's most prominent gay politician, Harvey Milk, were assassinated in 1978 by a right-wing political opponent and bigot, Dan White, and a jury acquitted White of the murders (convicting him only of manslaughter). The "Twinkie defense."

Front_Porch
May 14th, 2007, 11:35 AM
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Meerkat
May 21st, 2007, 09:14 AM
When i was in NY, i was a bit dissapointed with the scene, we could only find one bar. Isn't there a gay village in NY?

LocoAko
May 22nd, 2007, 08:14 PM
You could really only find one bar? A few friends and I two Friday's ago went around the Village, just checking things out and having fun (we went to a psychic! lol.). I saw many bars and all sorts of gay-oriented stuff. It seemed that in some areas you'd be a minority if you were straight. I know this is old news but it's still weird to me, in ways.

Schadenfrau
May 22nd, 2007, 08:55 PM
I take it that you didn't hit Chelsea, Meerkat. Where were you, exactly? I can't imagine anyone being disappointed by the scene if they'd done their homework. There's probably as much a variety of gay bars as there is of non-gay bars. And that said, being gay in an NYC bar isn't as much of an ordeal as it is in many places, I think.

Luca
May 23rd, 2007, 08:02 AM
...We're everywhere,...

Homophobes' worst nightmare come true :D

Fabrizio
May 23rd, 2007, 08:50 AM
That's why I love Italy... who needs gay bars?

Ninjahedge
May 23rd, 2007, 09:36 AM
You did not see anything?

I used to work in the Village. Just walk along West Christopher and you will see a dozen within earshot.

ManhattanKnight
May 23rd, 2007, 10:44 AM
^There were never nearly that many, and now there are ~5 west of 7th Ave. South and ~2 west of Hudson Street.

Luca
May 23rd, 2007, 11:17 AM
How do gay people hook up in Italy?? Make wild guesses?? :D

Fabrizio
May 23rd, 2007, 11:25 AM
Let me put it this way: the difference between straight and gay in Italy is like the difference between smokers and chain smokers.

Kirtap
May 23rd, 2007, 03:44 PM
Hi, any particular topic we are discussing?

Ninjahedge
May 23rd, 2007, 04:25 PM
^There were never nearly that many, and now there are ~5 west of 7th Ave. South and ~2 west of Hudson Street.

Then all those flags just meant they liked rainbows??? :confused:

Meerkat
May 24th, 2007, 06:01 PM
You did not see anything?

I used to work in the Village. Just walk along West Christopher and you will see a dozen within earshot.


I can't remember where we went, it was 4 years ago! It could have been in the area of Greenwich village, but i'm not sure. We did get the names of a few bars on the net, but couldn't find them. Saying that we were very tired. Next time i'm over i'll get a decent guide.