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chloe857
May 31st, 2007, 08:03 PM
Hey,

I'm one of 3 irish female students who are moving to nyc for 6 months for work. I've been to the city a few times but don't really know the areas. We've been looking for an apartment and have found a 3br place on 102nd street at 1st avenue. I know this is in east harlem and think it may be close to some projects....does anyone know the area and if so, would it be safe for three 20yr old females??

If not, can anyone advise another area, we'll be working in midtown so somewhere that wouldn't be a very long commute.

Cheers for your help :)

ablarc
May 31st, 2007, 10:30 PM
Keep looking.

NoyokA
May 31st, 2007, 10:51 PM
I know some white girls who live in East Harlem. However they have been living in the city for awhile and are street-smart. I'm not saying you're not street-smart but there is a NYC street-smart that develops only after you have spent some time living here. Personally I wouldnt live in East Harlem. 102nd street anywhere but Fifth Avenue is East Harlem and East Harlem is still the worst area of Manhattan. I have a friend that lives in East Harlem, he is a large black guy about 6'4" and 300 pounds, he was attacked and badly beaten by a gang there. When I heard that I thought who am I, a 6'1" 180 pound white guy doing there, I rarely if ever go into East Harlem at night anymore even though I have friends there. Also JB Hehman a member of this forum was murdered in East Harlem:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=42

East Harlem is fine to visit during the day, but unless you have a strictly 9-5 job and don't plan on leaving your house at night I would suggest Astoria.

Punzie
June 1st, 2007, 03:23 AM
My ancestors have not lived in Ireland since @800 A.D., but the stereotypical Irish appearance was retained, as seen in this photo of me:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/Rapunzel61/2005-2007/punzi-sm.jpg




From 2004-5, When I had to live part of the time in a neighborhood comparable to East Harlem, I transformed my appearance:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/Rapunzel61/October-2004/familyportrait-sm.jpg





Still, to walk around at night, I stuffed my hair into a hat; wore loose, grungy clothing; carried my purse in an old shopping bag; took off the smile; and walked as if I belonged. After a short while, I sort of did. (This, BTW, has always been my midnight-hours subway attire.)


A good gage of how well this is working: how many people move away from you when you sit down on a bus or subway?:eek::D

ablarc
June 1st, 2007, 07:02 AM
^ That should tell you everything you need to know about your initial question, chloe.

krulltime
June 1st, 2007, 08:24 AM
If you don't mind me asking, how much is that 3 bedroom you girls found in East Harlem?

Schadenfrau
June 1st, 2007, 09:25 AM
I think there's a lot of misinformation and fear-mongering on this thread, but whether or not you can live somewhere is up to you, Chloe857. The fact that you entitled this thread "Irish Girls In East Harlem" basically says that you already view yourself as an outsider and potential victim of whatever you imagine goes on in East Harlem.

Punzie
June 1st, 2007, 10:11 AM
Please let me know if any of the misinformation/fear-mongering is from me. In that case, I'd take a good second look at my post and amend/qualify it if necessary.

clubBR
June 1st, 2007, 11:02 AM
My friend is a 6'+, 200 lb, asian guy and he lives alone in East Harlem. Alot of students and yuppies are attracted to the low rents, large space, and ethnic stores. This is from wikipedia-

"Despite the moniker of "Spanish Harlem" or "El Barrio," the region is now home to a new influx of immigrants from around the world. Yemeni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen) merchants, for example, work in bodegas alongside immigrants from the Dominican Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic). Italians live and prosper next to the influx of Central and South American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America) immigrant populations. Other businessmen and local neighbors can be Korean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea), Chinese or Haitian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti) in origin. The rising price of living in Manhattan has also caused increasing numbers of young urban professional, mainly caucasians, to move in and take advantage of the inexpensive rents, relative to the adjacent neighborhoods of Yorkville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkville%2C_Manhattan) and the Upper East Side (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_East_Side)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Harlem

Lately I've been researching the Mount Morris Historic District. Wedged in between Morningside Heights, Marcus Garvey Park, and Central Park North, the area seems very nice. Maybe you guys can relocate there, it may cost you maybe $100 more/ month but its worth it.

Schadenfrau
June 1st, 2007, 11:11 AM
Please let me know if any of the misinformation/fear-mongering is from me. In that case, I'd take a good second look at my post and amend/qualify it if necessary.

What you're saying is true for yourself, but I've personally never made any sort of changes to my appearance while spending time in different neighborhoods. I've spent quite a bit of time in Spanish Harlem, and one of my most feminine and stylish friends lives on 120th and 2nd.

I don't think it's fair to tell anyone that they'd have to dress like a bag lady to survive in any neighborhood. For the record, Rapunzel, I think you look nice in the photo with darker hair, but it's somewhat absurd that you would feel the need to wear colored contacts and shun adorable animals in order to walk down the street.

chloe857
June 1st, 2007, 12:50 PM
Thanks for all your help guys, overall the general attitude are somewhat negative so we'll keep looking, from doing some web research I'm think Astoria may fit our needs, does anyone know this area?

Krulltime, the 3bd on 102nd street was 2100 overall, 700 each which included utilities.

ablarc
June 1st, 2007, 01:02 PM
Astoria: good choice.

NoyokA
June 1st, 2007, 01:11 PM
I think there's a lot of misinformation and fear-mongering on this thread, but whether or not you can live somewhere is up to you, Chloe857. The fact that you entitled this thread "Irish Girls In East Harlem" basically says that you already view yourself as an outsider and potential victim of whatever you imagine goes on in East Harlem.

Would you rather I told someone who has never lived in the city and has barely visited it, you'll have no problems in East Harlem, all the misconceptions are wrong. You said it yourself that the thread title implies that she is naive. If the question was asked by a forum member who lived in NYC for a number of years, I would have answered differently, I would have told her the dangers, which she would probably have already known, and that she will probably be alright. I am not going to tell someone who has never been to East Harlem and who has never lived in NYC to get an apt. blindly, so that she can leave the apartment, become intimidated by the surroundings and not know her way, and spur the vicious cycle that will develop when the adverse elements observe it and causes a bad time, mugging, violence, rape, murder, what have you. New York City is not for everyone and that goes for people living in the best neighborhoods, having someone who is not New York City street smart living in East Harlem is a disaster waiting to happen.

Schadenfrau
June 1st, 2007, 01:28 PM
I agree with you there, Stern, but I don't think it's accurate to suggest that the only way a person can survive in East Harlem (or any other non-white neighborhood) is by dressing in racial drag.

MidtownGuy
June 1st, 2007, 01:37 PM
Astoria is wonderful. I go there about once a week to eat in one of the great restaurants and to stock up on Mediterranean grocery items. It feels like a real community.

NoyokA
June 1st, 2007, 01:44 PM
I agree with you there, Stern, but I don't think it's accurate to suggest that the only way a person can survive in East Harlem (or any other non-white neighborhood) is by dressing in racial drag.

That I agree with. Especially since something like half of the people living in East Harlem work in the business world, they leave for midtown in suits and carry business cases. Whenever Iím in Harlem, and Iím there quite often, I'll be there tonight, I dress how I always dress and usually that means, nice clothing, expensive leather jacket, nice shoes, and I never have any trouble. I mind my own business, I'm confident, and no one bothers me. The reason is I know where Iím going, I carry myself, I donít maintain eye contact but my head and shoulders are raised. Criminals are very smart though, they don't judge on eye color, especially since people of all races have blue-eyes, they judge on demeanor and psyche. I would not recommend someone living in East Harlem to change the way they dress, only because that effects there personal psyche, they are thinking that because they are afraid that they will change the way they dress, that the criminal element wont notice them. The criminal element wonít notice the dress-code, but they will probably pick up on youíre psyche behind it.

shocka
June 1st, 2007, 01:48 PM
Thanks for all your help guys, overall the general attitude are somewhat negative so we'll keep looking, from doing some web research I'm think Astoria may fit our needs, does anyone know this area?



Astoria is a great area, i lived there for a little bit.

Here are somethings to keep in mind with astoria. My suggestion is being East of Crescent (Maybe 21st St) and West of Stienway
North of Broadway and South of Ditmars.

The train is on 31st which is in the middle of Crescent and Stienway so you will have good proximity to the subway. I would advice checking out the subway maps to get a place on one of the aves where the train stops as well.

Finally, be careful with Astoria RE Brokers, from my experience, they are crummy, most are new to RE and will take your requirements throw in the trash and waste your time, do your research and learn the streets before you deal with them.

Oh and if you get by 31st St and 24th Ave you will be by the Beer Gardens.. my fav spot to hang out in Astoria :)

ablarc
June 1st, 2007, 04:01 PM
Astoria is wonderful. I go there about once a week to eat in one of the great restaurants and to stock up on Mediterranean grocery items. It feels like a real community.
Ever been to Bohemian Hall Beer Garden?

Or Zlata Praha?

Punzie
June 1st, 2007, 11:49 PM
Which one is more likely to be victim of a random crime in East Harlem?
(Or midnight hours on NYC mass transit?)

http://www.babadu.com/noticias/2005/nov/img7.jpgORhttp://www.netzeitung.de/img/0084/210584-1.jpg..........?



http://img.astaga.com/astaga/i/art/layar/d/DrewBarrymore_56581_f_80592.jpgORhttp://www.bangkokeyes.com/charlies3.jpg........?



http://img.interia.pl/rozrywka/nimg/Uma_Thurman_Producentka_607015.jpgORhttp://www.filmscoop.it/recensioni/image/pulpfiction2.jpg.........?



http://cache.defamer.com/hollywood/reese-witherspoon2.jpgORhttp://img55.photobucket.com/albums/v169/rpg_icons1/r/3reese-witherspoon6.png.....?


http://www.bbv-net.de/layout/fotos/180x143/FILM_SAG_NOMINATIONS_CPTG1014006dae3a120.jpgOR http://re3.mm-a5.yimg.com/image/3219205805......? (http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fp%3D%2522charlize%2Btheron%2522%2 6ei%3DUTF-8%26imgsz%3Dsmall%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501%26b%3D281&w=94&h=140&imgurl=www.miscellaneousetc.com%2Fimages%2Fcharliz e_theron_monster.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miscellaneousetc.com%2F2004% 2F01%2Foscar_picks_2004.html&size=2.3kB&name=charlize_theron_monster.jpg&p=%22charlize+theron%22&type=jpeg&no=295&tt=13,413&oid=40ad9d3ffb5083f4&ei=UTF-8)



Is it stereotyping? Yes.
Do criminals stereotype? Yes

Schadenfrau
June 2nd, 2007, 12:44 AM
Yes, actresses can clearly protect themselves against assault by dying their hair brown and wearing dramatic eye makeup.

Please tell me you're joking, Rapunzel. If you're not, your argument has crossed the border from being plain silly to being offensive, inaccurate, AND plain silly all at once.

I will bite my tongue and try to address the most obvious flaw in your logic: the most likely crime victim is not a smiling bleached-blonde woman, but a person of the same race as their attacker. That's rudimentary criminology.

I think you might have wasted a lot of energy and hair dye a few years back.

Punzie
June 2nd, 2007, 07:27 AM
Chloe asked about Irish girls, and I provided Caucasian females as examples.

The "after" pictures are not "racial drag" (your words). The actresses still look Caucasian; what's added is a "too tough to mess with" look and attitude.


I believe that women are most empowered if they recognize when they look vulnerable in a neighborhood and temporarily do what's necessary to not look vulnerable. I'm somewhat unclear about how your opinion differs from this.

Punzie
June 2nd, 2007, 08:26 AM
good job dave man!

Mike, you have a good memory -- 'Daver' (and his wife) own big dogs that look sorta similar to mine. Only their dogs live on Staten Island and mine live on Long Island... what a difference, eh?:D

ablarc
June 2nd, 2007, 09:57 AM
the most likely crime victim is not a smiling bleached-blonde woman, but a person of the same race as their attacker. That's rudimentary criminology.
Rudimentary and worse than useless. That statistic is so irrelevant to the question being discussed. There’s a shortage of bleached blonde women to attack in those places, and that’s why they don’t show up in the statistics; they’re smart enough to stay away. Very few rhinos are shot in Montana. If one showed up, it would certainly be shot.

Come on, Schade; few folks are clueless enough to be misled by statistics. We don’t need to be leading fresh arrivals down the primrose path.

Schadenfrau
June 2nd, 2007, 02:52 PM
I believe that women are most empowered if they recognize when they look vulnerable in a neighborhood and temporarily do what's necessary to not look vulnerable. I'm somewhat unclear about how your opinion differs from this.

Dying your hair dark and doing up your eyeliner like Siousxie Sioux is not a means to crime prevention. Keeping your head on straight and being aware of your surroundings is.

No one has even remotely suggested that the original poster move to Spanish Harlem- it's quite clear that she couldn't handle it.

Still, I don't think that some of you realize how grossly offensive the things you're saying actually are. Bleached-blonde women are too smart to venture into non-white neighborhoods? This thread is veering into territory about half a step above segregation-era discussion of darkies hiding in the shadows, waiting to rape lily-white maidens. Or maybe this huge influx of illegal-immigrant lepers we've been hearing so much about lately.

ThisIsntMyRealName
June 3rd, 2007, 03:39 PM
I would go on the west side in the 100's or somewhat further down on the UES and further west.


Hey,

I'm one of 3 irish female students who are moving to nyc for 6 months for work. I've been to the city a few times but don't really know the areas. We've been looking for an apartment and have found a 3br place on 102nd street at 1st avenue. I know this is in east harlem and think it may be close to some projects....does anyone know the area and if so, would it be safe for three 20yr old females??

If not, can anyone advise another area, we'll be working in midtown so somewhere that wouldn't be a very long commute.

Cheers for your help :)