166 perry st.

[hey19932]

Website:

www.166perryst.com

Rendering :

http://www.triplemint.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/04/166perrystreet_2.jpg


Has this started rising yet ? I saw a recent pic of the perry west towers with a
steel structure being build behind one of the towers. Could it have been this building?

This is a great building!

[Stern]

Checking the buildings website, this building is insanely expensive.

[bigkdc]

it has started rising...they are drafting off the RM towers in terms of pricing...will be interesting to see if they get it sold but I have a feeling they will

[hey19932]

Cool! great news bigkdc. How tall is it now ? HAve they started putting glass inyet?

[Front_Porch]

I think it's meant to land the celeb-y element that left the RM towers, and ditto on the hyper-expensive. If anybody wants to pay $2K a square foot, feel free to PM me, but if I sell into this building it will be because I get a call from a business manager in LA.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

[Derek2k3]

http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/per_heroshot_golden-hour_009.jpg

http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/per_facade-detail2_04reflection.jpg
The renderings are beautiful, kudos to Archpartners (http://www.archpartners.com/)

[Fabrizio]

Yes, beautiful. The look lately is more atmospheric than before. New software with more abilities or more talented digital artists? I am curious: what is the rendering software that is most used for high-end work? Any one know?

[Derek2k3]

3dMax, Maya, & Rhino.
I'd say the enhanced photorealism is due to a combination of both savvier artists and ever-improving plug-ins for the programs. Besides the modeling, the program does most of the work for you.

[Derek2k3]

Off topic but I find this peak of an Aymptote tower planned for UAE amazing. We use to be able to build the seemingly impossible here...

[infoshare]

Nice :cool: - this one is NEWS to me, thanks.

[hey19932]

Any construction pics?

[infoshare]

Any construction pics?

Apparently not yet :(. This project (Rated up there with 1100 10th and the SHop building on Mulberry St.) is at the top of my "Best of NYC Architecture" list: so I will be taking construction photos at this site - and posting here - sometime soon.

[hey19932]

Cool! I look forward to seeing some pics. Thank you aswell for your regular updates on the visionnaire :cool:

[lofter1]

I for one don't get the rage for these ^^^ sloping windows that are popping up all over the place: 48 Bond, BLUE, Thor ...

A building on Greenwich just below Spring Street that went up a few years ago has a molded glass facade with large expanses of windows which face upwards towards the sky. Whenever I walk past tha building the first thing I notice is the grime on the glass -- which accumulates in a matter of days as any NYer must be aware.

Also, as a commenter recently noted at CURBED in regards to the sloping windows at 48 Bond, such a design could likely be pointless -- or worse -- in regards to energy conservation.

[ablarc]

^ Is this what's meant by "originality"?

[ablarc]

^ Variations on an old Modernist theme (glass curtain wall). When your vocabulary is thin, you have to resort to the ditzy. (Or settle for boring.)

[ManhattanKnight]

Three Views: Sept. 6, 2007

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2234/cyn1540eo1.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6107/cyn1543oj6.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3849/cyn1551cl6.jpg

[BrooklynRider]

The stuff going up in this neighborhood is certainly not continuing the traditional Village context, but it really is some of the more interesting and original stuff lately.

[scumonkey]

from todays curbed:
Some of the much anticipated shape-shifting glass has started going up on the north facade along Perry Street, just east of the stratospheric (http://curbed.com/archives/2008/04/18/curbed_pricechopper_40m_at_meier_not_anymore.php) Richard Meier towers of white.
http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3065/2576011424_e0ec95430f_o.jpg

http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3172/2576011490_48b012d4f2_o.jpg

[infoshare]

I like how the glass on the windows become a collage of reflected images. This innovative glass facade will serve to mask the visual clutter (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=193943&postcount=36) resulting from the hodge-podge of window shades (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=233890&postcount=219): an all too common problem with many of the new 'high design' condos.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7649/img0070bj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[LeCom]

Heh, looks like the leftmost panel on the last pic has an AC sticking out of it.

Great glass though. Would love to see that facade treatment on a much taller tower.

[Stern]

The glass is too reflective, distorting everything and making it look like a carnival funhouse mirror. From the interior though, the interaction with the resident providing different angles of view must really be great.

[infoshare]

This is one of the few (perhaps only) condo buildings I have seen using a structural steel framework in lieu of concrete formwork.

This project is different in every way - inside and out - but so far I like what I see. Do wonder about the steel vs. concrete though.:confused:

cheers.

p.s. and yea, that reflection of AC unit looks like a hologram. (LOL)

[antinimby]

There are lots of steel condo buildings in Brooklyn and Queens.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN1649.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2218/2425870240_5de2a0c1bb.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2092/2258146643_17eaf9635b.jpg?v=0

In Manhattan, 52 East 4 St. that is currently under construction on the Bowery is steel.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2287489926_e0593209c9.jpg?v=0

Personally, I prefer steel because it is less vulnerable and safer during earthquakes.

[antinimby]

By the way, this project shares some similar design DNA as the Chelsea Modern (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12965):

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5137/chelseamodern02cav1.jpg


...and a new condo building also currently going up in Boise Idaho:

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Idahomajesty/June/100_9256.jpg

[Zephyr]

Ziggy!

[infoshare]

Personally, I prefer steel because it is less vulnerable and safer during earthquakes.

True, but what about those thin corrugated sheet-metal (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234983&postcount=20) floor plates. I would think that they have a much lower NRC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_Reduction_Coefficient) (sound proofing) than a thick concrete slab.

It seems to me that there would be more noise coming through the ceilings: particularly the sound of footfalls on non-carpeted surfaces. In NYC, noisy neighbors are far more common than earthquakes!(LOL)

[lofter1]

They pour concrete (reinforced with rebar) over all that corrugated metal to create the floors.

Would that make for more noise below than a poured slab with concrete columns?

[The Benniest]

I like this building. I have to agree that from the outside, it looks like fun glass, but from the inside, like Stern said, must be cool!

The renderings on the building website look fantastic but again, as many people have said, it's insanely expensive. :( They build definitely add that bedroom and modern bathroom to my apartment. I won't stop them. :cool:

[antinimby]

Have you guys ever noticed solid and soundproof the floors/ceilings in office buildings (where they employ steel and concrete/corrugated floor plates) are?

[ZippyTheChimp]

I need a Dramamine.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9277/166perry01csf4.th.jpg (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=166perry01csf4.jpg)

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4937/166perry02cou3.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=166perry02cou3.jpg)

After a few minutes, they decided...
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2220/166perry03cmz9.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=166perry03cmz9.jpg)

...that the panel belonged here.
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4251/166perry04csx5.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=166perry04csx5.jpg)

Anticipate leaks.

[The Benniest]

Good news: you won't need to buy a ticket to go to a fun house anymore.

Just stand in front of this building! :confused:

[antinimby]

They seemed to have forgotten to spray on the fireproofing first.

[infoshare]

I am still curious about the use of those thin corrugated sheet metal (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=166perry02cou3.jpg) floor/ceilings for new condo construction and the need for good sound proofing in residential buildings . When this type of floor/ceiling is used in office buildings, a 'Dropped Acoustical Ceilings' with a huge air space above provides the needed sound attenuation. I doubt that in this particular building there will be that much 'air space' provided between the ceilings/floors.

Not sure, but I do not think any concrete (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=235680&postcount=30) is used on top of those sheet-metal floors; the 'finished floor' material is probably put directly on top of the sheet metal. For the ceiling part (from the beamed ceiling I see in the renders) there will not be room for an 'acoustical air gap' between the finished ceiling and sheet metal floor above. (Detailed interior views of the ceiling are shown in the website renderings - http://www.166perryst.com/

Concrete slab still seems to me like a better way to go for soundproofing, all I can offer is a 'supposed explanation' why I think concrete formwork is better for new condo construction. Any other opinion - expert or otherwise - would be greatly appreciated.

[ZippyTheChimp]

The sheetmetal decking is corrugated to accept rebar in the troughs. It looks to me that a concrete slab has been poured where the workers are standing. You don't think all those joists are going to be left exposed? A ceiling will be installed under them for dead air space.

Finished flooring over sheetmetal isn't much of a fire-stop.

[antinimby]

infoshare, this NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/realestate/06cov.html) from today may be of interest to you as it basically talks about noise coming through the floors of apartments.

[infoshare]

Thanks for the input folks: now all we need is to have Hani Rashid (http://www.metropolismag.com/html/content_0201/ras.htm) over at Asymptote to send us a detail drawing.:D