One Madison Avenue - Daniel Libeskind

[londonlawyer]

From NY Magazine's Sep. 20, 2007 edition:

"Have We Found Libeskind's Manhattan Tower at Madison Square Park?"

Some months ago, Daniel Libeskind told us he was designing his first tower in Manhattan. We asked where it was, and he said he couldn't tell us, yet, but he would as soon as all the official folderol allowed. A few days later, someone who knows Libeskind mumbled something to us about "One Madison," then promptly hushed up. For months, Libeskind's people have said only that Israeli developer Elad Properties is Libeskind's client for a project somewhere in Manhattan. Well, today, an Israeli news service is reporting that Elad is developing a 74-story apartment tower at One Madison Avenue. You know, that pretty landmark with the illuminated clock tower? According to the report, they'll be adding many stories to make the new structure one of the tallest residential towers in the world.
Back in June, Libeskind told us his project would be on a "historic site, one of the iconic sites of New York City." And, he added, "I guarantee you'll see the Statue of Liberty from there." Aha! And hmm. It's got to be hard to change any aspect of that building. Elad's venerable publicist, Lloyd Kaplan, says he doesn't know what to make of the Globes story. And we're not in the business of glomming news from publications we've never seen before. But either way, we're excited for all the heated debate about the effect of skyscraper shadows on the iciness of Shake Shack custard in coming months. —Alec Appelbaum

[londonlawyer]

I assume this will be built on the site of the horrible low-rise base, which, sadly, once had a very ornate facade.

[londonlawyer]

The following was posted on Sep. 20, 2007 on the following website of an Israeli newspaper: www.globes.co.il.

"Tshuva to build Manhattan’s tallest residential building:
Yitzhak Tshuva’s project will top the 72-story Trump World Tower."

Ariel Rosenberg 20 Sep 07 19:00

Yitzhak Tshuva’s private real estate arm Elad Properties is planning to build Manhattan’s tallest residential skyscraper, which will be one of the tallest buildings in the world. He is apparently taking to heart the words of the Leonard Cohen song, “I’ll Take Manhattan”.
Elad will invest $450 million in the One Madison Avenue building, fronting Madison Square Park and East 23rd Street, adding floors to the 17-story New York City landmark. The result will be a 74-story skyscraper that will by 900 feet (274 meters) tall. The building will top the 72-story 262 meter Trump World Tower. The 283-meter tall 70-storey Trump Building, an office building on Wall Street, will still be higher than Tshuva’s new development however. Only two residential skyscrapers in Australia - the Q1 Tower in Gold Coast, Queensland, and Melbourne’s Eureka Tower - will top One Madison Avenue.

[czsz]

I'm confused. Does this mean the destruction of the MetLife tower? Or just severe overshadowing of it?

[sfenn1117]

I don't know but I'm very intrigued and want to know more. Besides, isn't the Metlife tower landmarked? Is there a 17 story building in the immediate vicinity anyone knows about?

[londonlawyer]

I don't know but I'm very intrigued and want to know more. Besides, isn't the Metlife tower landmarked? Is there a 17 story building in the immediate vicinity anyone knows about?

I assume it refers to the huge low-rise base just south of the tower that runs from Madison to PAS.

[infoshare]

I'm confused. Does this mean the destruction of the MetLife tower?

The plan is to keep the tower (http://www.skyscraper.org/TALLEST_TOWERS/t_metro.htm) - and perhaps the entire base building - and build onto to it: somewhat similar to the Hearst Tower project.

[czsz]

I can't really imagine anything growing out of the tower...I guess that just means its presence in the skyline is about to get severely supplanted.

[sfenn1117]

Could it be the building to the north will finally get the addition it's been waiting for for decades?
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=metropolitanlifenorthbuilding-newyorkcity-ny-usa

Then again this all could just be a rumor....but 900 feet in this location will be huge and give the ESB some serious company

[Stern]

The original Met-Life Building will not be touched at all, instead the lowrise building fronting it, which people are calling "the base", in reality it was built in the 1950's, it spans from 23rd between Park Avenue and Madison, and it will not be missed if it is to be altered. GREAT NEWS!!!

[infoshare]

I can't really imagine anything growing out of the tower...I guess that just means its presence in the skyline is about to get severely supplanted.

Obviously they will not build on the Tower itself: the base building will probably be removed. But yes - more to your point - the prominance of Tower on the skyline will be no more. Come to think of it: maybe the Villard House (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID010.htm) is a better comparison to what will eventually be built there at the MetLife Building. I think a contrasting modern structure - as in the Villard House addition - could come off beautifully.

[londonlawyer]

The original Met-Life Building will not be touched at all, instead the lowrise building fronting it, which people are calling "the base", in reality it was built in the 1950's, it spans from 23rd between Park Avenue and Madison, and it will not be missed if it is to be altered. GREAT NEWS!!!

Yes. The following is, as per Michael Stoler, of the NY Sun:

"In March 2005, SL Green Realty Trust Corporation purchased One Madison Avenue for $918 million. It purchased the building from MetLife. One Madison Avenue consists of two contiguous buildings with about 1.4 million square feet. The 14-story South Building was built in 1956 and consists of about 1.2 million square feet of office space. The South Building was acquired by a joint venture with Gramercy Capital Corporation. Gramercy acquired a 45% interest and SL Green a 55% interest in the building, which is occupied almost entirely by Credit Suisse First Boston. The purchase price of the South Building was about $803 million. The North Tower, completed in 1909, is a landmark building, contains 41 stories of 267,000 square feet of space, and is zoned for residential and office use. Additionally the air rights associated with the property could provide for the development of about 470,000 square feet of additional space. Last week, SL Green announced it had entered a joint venture arrangement with its tenant, Credit Suisse, RFR Holding, and hotelier Ian Schrager for the redevelopment and residential conversion of the North Tower, also known as the Clocktower. Under the terms of the venture, SL Green will retain a 30% interest in the building."

[czsz]

It would be helpful if someone had a photo of the site...even more helpful if someone would be willing to do a massing study in the skyline.

[londonlawyer]

It would be helpful if someone had a photo of the site...even more helpful if someone would be willing to do a massing study in the skyline.

It's the POS to the right. It looks small but is actually quite large as it spans from Madison to PAS.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/03/31/nyregion/31metlife_lg.jpg

[Bob]

I sure hope they're really talking about neither the so-called base, or the tower itself, but rather the north north building which was originally going to be a whopping mega-skyscraper. The foundations are in and can support the addition of about 60 more floors. Now THIS would make the Hearst Tower seem like peanuts.

[londonlawyer]

I sure hope they're really talking about neither the so-called base, or the tower itself, but rather the north north building which was originally going to be a whopping mega-skyscraper. The foundations are in and can support the addition of about 60 more floors. Now THIS would make the Hearst Tower seem like peanuts.

I think the base sucks.

[Stern]

It would be helpful if someone had a photo of the site...even more helpful if someone would be willing to do a massing study in the skyline.


Google maps gives a good idea.

[londonlawyer]

While I hate The Link, Elad could join the ranks of good developers (i.e., Durst, Barnett, Rosen) that don't pull a Macklowe and build cheap towers.

[JMGarcia]

My guess is the tower portion will go on the Park Ave. side of the block with the existing base being renovated with the main entrance on Madison facing the park.

[macreator]

Call me a NIMBY, but I'm skeptical about how this will look next to Metlife Tower, especially considering Elad's track-record with glass curtainwall (think Link). Metlife Tower is such an amazing edifice, I sure hope Elad doesn't cheapen it up with some flat-top.

[Derek2k3]

Elad is the developer, Libeskind is the architect.

Regardless of the developer, you don't expect to get a Kondylis looking building or budget if you hire Libeskind.

[lofter1]

... I sure hope Elad doesn't cheapen it up with some flat-top.


Does DL even know how to do "flat top" :cool:

[czsz]

I'd rather have a simple glass wall merely reflecting the MetLife tower than some spastic Liebeskind crystal distracting from it.

[stache]

There goes my Walgreen's!

[krulltime]

This is great news. Hopefully some Hearst looking thing. Well I am thinking too much. LOL. Don't want to get too excited just yet. But this one has to be good looking since it will be a much focal point in the skyline.

[londonlawyer]

YEAH BABY!

Israeli firm plans Manhattan's highest residence
Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:35am EDT

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Real estate company Elad Group, owned by Israeli billionaire Yitzhak Tshuva, plans to build New York's tallest residential building in a $450 million deal, an industry source said on Thursday.

Elad, which also owns New York's Plaza Hotel, plans to construct an additional 75 floors on top of an existing 20-story building, said the source, who asked not to be named.

Elad officials were not immediately available for comment.

The Madison Avenue building will stand 274 meters (899 feet) tall.

Building plans are currently being examined by the New York City municipality and are subject to regulatory approval, Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth said.

[SilentPandaesq]

YEAH BABY!

additional 75 floors on top of an existing 20-story building, said the source

Wait, let me calm down....Does that mean the taller, northern one? The one that should have been 1000 feet to begin with? Calm...down....do not hyperventalate....

[krulltime]

Ok now I am confuse. Which building are we talking about now?

[Stern]

Wait, let me calm down....Does that mean the taller, northern one? The one that should have been 1000 feet to begin with? Calm...down....do not hyperventalate....

I don't know the number of storeys of the One Madison Avenue annex, but Met Life North is 32 storeys, I still don't think its that building in question. I'll pass by the annex today and see how many floors it has just to try and confirm it is infact the building in question, which I am almost positive it is.

[lofter1]

Seems now we are talking about the North Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Life_Insurance_Company_Tower) at 11 Madison Avenue (between 24th / 25th). However that building is 32 stories -- not the "existing 20-story building" emntioned in the article.

The North Building (below left, from Emporis (http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=224458)) was constructed in a way that would have allowed it to serve as the base for a 110-story telescoping tower ...

http://www.emporis.com/images/6/2003/10/224458.jpg

Another earlier shot from a German (http://www.arch.tu-dresden.de/ibad/Baugeschichte/bilder/new%20york/metropolitan%20life%20tower%20ansicht.jpg) website ... Die Stadt New York (http://www.arch.tu-dresden.de/ibad/Baugeschichte/Vorlesung_Die_Stadt_New_York.html) :

http://www.arch.tu-dresden.de/ibad/Baugeschichte/bilder/new%20york/metropolitan%20life%20tower%20ansicht.jpg

[lofter1]

Emporis says the 23rd Street base connected to the clock tower is 11 stories.

[lofter1]

Here's a drawing of the 100-story tower that was proposed for the North Building ...

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[krulltime]

Here is another look of both question buildings http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=117819993&size=o

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/117819993_184e8c2d11_o.jpg

[Stern]

I don't think its the North Building because that's merely speculation, it hasn't been printed in any news source, or anything to suggest as much. Theres only speculation that it can support a taller structure, which is true, but the same is true of the One Madison Avenue annex. That said I'm not convinced that One Madison Avenue is the site, or that this is a legitimate development, through all my digging Green still owns One Madison, for the sake of speculation Sapir owns 11 Madison Avenue, if Elad bought either of these properties it would conceivably made news, as both properties did when they exchanged hands a couple of years ago. You cant build on what you don't own.

[krulltime]

http://www.arch.tu-dresden.de/ibad/Baugeschichte/bilder/new%20york/metropolitan%20life%20tower%20ansicht.jpg

Why does this pic seems odd to me. The towers facing the park next to the clock tower were all demolished at the same time? Then they build the second part of that '32 floor/base' tower to be extended to the park? I never knew it happen like that. What were the years that this took place?

[kliq6]

Green is owner of record but one of there ex VP is now at Elad

[Stern]

Why does this pic seems odd to me. The towers facing the park next to the clock tower were all demolished at the same time? Then they build the second part of that '32 floor/base' tower to be extended to the park? I never knew it happen like that. What were the years that this took place?


That's what it looks like, I never knew that either.

[BrooklynRider]

I don't think its the North Building because that's merely speculation, it hasn't been printed in any news source, or anything to suggest as much. Theres only speculation that it can support a taller structure, which is true, but the same is true of the One Madison Avenue annex. That said I'm not convinced that One Madison Avenue is the site, or that this is a legitimate development, through all my digging Green still owns One Madison, for the sake of speculation Sapir owns 11 Madison Avenue, if Elad bought either of these properties it would conceivably made news, as both properties did when they exchanged hands a couple of years ago. You cant build on what you don't own.

It could be a JV, in which case there does not need to be a sale.

[ManhattanKnight]

Why does this pic seems odd to me. The towers facing the park next to the clock tower were all demolished at the same time? Then they build the second part of that '32 floor/base' tower to be extended to the park? I never knew it happen like that. What were the years that this took place?

The rather bizarre story of this building's design and construction is related by Stern, et al. in their New York 1930 tome (at p. 536). In brief, the eastern half of its base, termed "first unit" in the drawings, was completed in 1933. The "second unit" was built after the buildings on the western portion of the block were demolished. Stern refers to a third part that -- unlike the tower -- was built but doesn't say what it was.

[lofter1]

This 1996 article from the NY TImes says that the 1 Madison base was originally 11 sories but that was demolished and replaced by the current base in the '50s -- and the 11 Madison / North Building is 25-stories ...

For a Brief Moment, the Tallest Building in the World

NY TIMES (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A00E5DA1139F935A15756C0A9609582 60)
By CHRISTOPHER GRAY
May 26, 1996

Streetscapes / Metropolitan Life at 1 Madison Avenue

THE Metropolitan Life Tower, the tallest in the world when it was built in 1909, defined both Madison Square and New York City. Stripped of its ornament in a curious remodeling in the early 60's, the tower is again undergoing change, this time a multimillion dollar cleaning and stone repair.

In 1893 the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company moved into its first building at the northeast corner of 23d Street and Madison Avenue, an 11-story white marble structure designed by Napoleon LeBrun & Sons.

The company later expanded with successive sections of matching design running down 23d Street and around the block onto 24th Street, for a total of six buildings.

In 1905 Metropolitan Life bought the southeast corner of 24th Street and Madison Avenue and announced plans for a 560-foot tower, designed by the LeBrun firm. One of the architects, probably Pierre LeBrun, told The New York Tribune that it would probably be the tallest in the world. But, he added, the record was "not the object"; the height was purely for "architectural effect."

Perhaps that was the case, but Metropolitan Life was also attempting to catch up to older and more established companies like Home Life and New York Life -- and owning the tallest building couldn't hurt.

By 1907, as the Metropolitan tower was under construction, a new building for the Singer Sewing Machine Company was nearing completion at 140 Broadway; it would rise to 612 feet. In that year Metropolitan Life revised its plans to produce a 700-foot tower -- the tallest in the world.

The completed tower, based on St. Mark's Campanile in Venice, was all white Tuckahoe marble, with a giant four-faced clock and a beacon at the top. From the summit the company calculated that one-sixteenth of all of the nation's homes could be seen. And the white shaft and beacon were clearly visible miles away.

The tower shaft was rather fussy -- the quoins, balconies and colonnades seem tiny spread out over such a giant form.

A critic writing in the magazine Architecture in 1908 agreed, but thought that the diamond pattern on the pyramidal roof was "extremely excellent."

No scholar has yet analyzed the costs, but purely as commercial real estate the tower must have been ridiculous; plans show that its typical floors lost more than 25 percent of their space to common elements such as bathrooms and elevators.

Indeed, for much of its life the highest areas in the tower have been used for storage. But as an advertisement the tower succeeded, even after it was topped by the 792-foot Woolworth Building in 1913.

According to "New York 1930," by Robert A. M. Stern, Gregory Gilmartin and Thomas Mellins, in 1929 the architect Harvey Wiley Corbett proposed a new 100-story building -- meant to be the world's tallest -- for Metropolitan Life just across 24th Street. But the Depression caused the company to scale it back to what is now the 25-story North Building, called 11 Madison Avenue.

In the early 50's Metropolitan Life began a renovation campaign for its headquarters. All of the buildings except the tower were demolished and replaced with a single new, mildly Art Moderne limestone structure. This new structure was much more efficient: it housed half again as many employees, with better lighting, elevators and mechanical services. For the tower, the company mounted a massive renovation campaign from 1960 to 1964 that dealt not with function, but with esthetics.

The outside of the tower was stripped of its the marble quoining, arcades, brackets, balconies and other decorative details.

On the tower itself, only the decorative rim of the clock remained; the pyramidal roof and cupola were rebuilt in a simplified imitation of the original. At a distance, the tower does not appear dramatically changed, but close up it looks like any plain 1960's office building.

According to a 1962 article in The New York Times the company contended that the "ornamental details make the structure look much smaller than its actual height." Other publications indicated a desire to have the tower "match" the modern building on 23d Street.

This occurred when the preservation movement in New York was just forming, and Henry Hope Reed, the classicist and architectural historian, remembers the work as "a disaster -- but the stupidity current at the time."
He says that around the same time the New York Life Insurance Company, two blocks north, ripped out and discarded a sumptuous room designed by McKim, Mead & White.

This summer the scaffolding will go up around the Metropolitan Life Tower again. John Tracy, director of capital projects at Metropolitan Life, says that the tower and its neighboring building will be cleaned, both for esthetic purposes and also to permit a closer inspection and repair of any damaged stonework.

Ray Pepi, president of Building Conservation Associates, which is supervising the preservation of the tower, says that he has specified a new kind of cleaning for the marble sections of the tower. Instead of water, which is difficult to control and can cause internal damage, a powdered mineral product projected at low pressure will be used to loosen the dirt.

The result will be a Metropolitan Life Tower not as first seen by its designers, but as their successors re-imagined it.

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

[Stern]

The current One Madison annex the one built in the 50's is 14 storeys, Met Life North is 32 storeys. Neither is 20 storeys, perhaps further indication that this is a site nearby.

[krulltime]

What a difference. Those older towers did looked charming though.

http://www.arch.tu-dresden.de/ibad/Baugeschichte/bilder/new%20york/metropolitan%20life%20tower%20ansicht.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1229/1320388975_38e0c2c982_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1320388975&size=o

[ASchwarz]

The bldg. in question is exactly as described in all the articles-the postwar annex to One Madison Avenue, which is located along the west side of Park from 23rd to 24th.

[ManhattanKnight]

What a difference. Those older towers did looked charming though.


While we're digressing, the southernmost of those "older towers" was a Met Life annex (connected to the tower across the street by a skybridge) that was erected on the site of Stanford White's short-lived Madison Square Presbyterian Church of 1906:

http://classicist.blogs.com/weblog/images/Madison_Square_Presbyterian_Church.jpg

[alonzo-ny]

I really really wish the 110 story tower was completed, the bas as it is today is beautiful when u look up the concave facade. To have that at 110 stories would have been amazing!

[TREPYE]

Streetscapes / Metropolitan Life at 1 Madison Avenue


The outside of the tower was stripped of its the marble quoining, arcades, brackets, balconies and other decorative details.

On the tower itself, only the decorative rim of the clock remained; the pyramidal roof and cupola were rebuilt in a simplified imitation of the original. At a distance, the tower does not appear dramatically changed, but close up it looks like any plain 1960's office building.

According to a 1962 article in The New York Times the company contended that the "ornamental details make the structure look much smaller than its actual height." Other publications indicated a desire to have the tower "match" the modern building on 23d Street.

This occurred when the preservation movement in New York was just forming, and Henry Hope Reed, the classicist and architectural historian, remembers the work as "a disaster -- but the stupidity current at the time." He says that around the same time the New York Life Insurance Company, two blocks north, ripped out and discarded a sumptuous room designed by McKim, Mead & White.

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

What a dark/dreary era the 60's was for NYC architecture....so much irreparable damge done. You could write a book of all of the architectural disasters commited in that decade. When you put it all together (Penn Station, Singer, Chase plaza, this, etc, etc...) it its amazing to think about all that went on. :(

[londonlawyer]

1 MAD. AVE. A TALL ORDER
COULD BECOME 900-FOOT TOWER September 26, 2007 -- A new residential tower being considered for 1 Madison Ave. could become the city's tallest apartment building.

We've learned that Elad Properties, which is redeveloping the Plaza Hotel and residences, has an agreement with SL Green Realty Corp. to use SLG's more than 400,000 feet of air rights to construct a 74-story tower on top of the 1.2 million-foot, 14-story building in which investment bank Credit Suisse both has an interest and its offices. Daniel Liebeskind is the architect.

But don't get Elad's development plans confused with the 41-story adjacent building to its north. Though that tower, which is better known as the landmarked Clock Tower, once had the address 1 Madison Ave., it was renamed 5 Madison Ave. after it was sold to Africa-Israel for $200 million, with plans to develop the site into residential units.

We're sure right now that Africa-Israel's Lev Leviev is steaming that his rival, Yitzhak Tshuva, and Tshuva's local boss, Micki Naftali, will be dwarfing his own scheme.

The two buildings, together known as the Met Life Building, comprise 1.93 acres and take up the entire block bounded by 23rd and 24th streets and Madison and Park Avenue South, but the Clock Tower itself takes up just the corner of Madison and 24th Street.

Israeli press reports said that Elad would spend $450 million to create the new 900-foot-tall building overlooking Madison Square Park.

Elad issued a statement clarifying other erroneous reports that claimed city approvals were in place. "Any discussion of a potential development at 1 Madison Avenue is highly premature. It is in its earliest concept phase and no decisions have been made about any aspect of the potential development," the company said in its statement.

[Derek2k3]

I think this proposal is different from the Libeskind tower blurb we heard about months ago. That tower was for Lower Manhattan, with views of the SOL, and seemed further along in the process than what they're hinting at in this article.

[alonzo-ny]

But don't get Elad's development plans confused with the 41-story adjacent building to its north. Though that tower, which is better known as the landmarked Clock Tower, once had the address 1 Madison Ave., it was renamed 5 Madison Ave. after it was sold to Africa-Israel for $200 million, with plans to develop the site into residential units.



WHAT?! This just confuses me more, isnt credit suiss in the building NORTH of the clock tower?

[lofter1]

Read ^^^ please:



.. the 41-story adjacent building to its north. Though that tower, which is better known as the landmarked Clock Tower ...

[alonzo-ny]

Ie the building in question is to the south of the clock tower, BUT the building to the north has credit suiss signs in the base so that is what confuses me. Is Credit suiss in the south building and the north with the clock tower in the middle?

[londonlawyer]

.... Is Credit suiss in the south building and the north with the clock tower in the middle?

I believe so.

[Scraperfannyc]

This is really exciting news. A 900 foot residential being designed by a great architect that is planned to be built in an area that appears not to have a whole lot of nimbys.

I can't wait for this and Gerhy in the financial district to get going.

[TREPYE]

This project does not excite me as much as it should. The area around Madison Park should be zoned for low rises. There is no need to drown the historic Metlife building and along with the ESB as it provides one of the most special, dramatic and exciting views of NYC from Brooklyn [Heights], and its bridge. I know its not a good reason but I would really hate to lose this:

http://static.flickr.com/39/122235070_ba8831d8e4_m.jpg

^ One of the few times you will find such a perfect alignment of things that go so beautfully and contextually together; and also so accessible to everyone in NYC to enjoy.

[CHAPINM1]

Nothing I hate worse, there always has to be one to spoil the party... :mad:

"NYC is a city of skyscrapers, a city of towers." ;)

Don't forget that...

[ZippyTheChimp]

I didn't know Trepye lived at Madison Park.

[TREPYE]

Nothing I hate worse, there always has to be one to spoil the party... :mad:

"NYC is a city of skyscrapers, a city of towers." ;)

Don't forget that...

I never did. But is it so terrible to desire a little selectivity on where they are put.

I didn't know Trepye lived at Madison Park.

WHOOSH!!!:eek: There goes that banana peel.:rolleyes:
No, I live in Brooklyn and I visit the Brooklyn Heights promenade and Brooklyn Bridge regularly where I go to enjoy those views.

Again, I never said it was a good reason but nonetheless it is how I feel... also know as an opinion.

[Derek2k3]

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