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antinimby
August 10th, 2007, 07:09 PM
Lawrence St tower may top Williamsburgh Bank



By Dana Rubinstein
The Brooklyn Paper
August 11, 2007 (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/31/30_31lawrencetower.html)

The Williamsburgh Bank Building’s iconic clocktower would no longer be the borough’s tallest structure, if a big-time development company has its way.

The Clarett Group, the firm behind the Forte condos in Fort Greene, submitted a proposal in June for a 51-story residential building at 111 Lawrence St., near the Metrotech campus Downtown.

The Buildings Department rejected the proposal and sent it back to the developer for revision.

But if the basic elements of the proposal remain intact, the 491-unit residential tower would rise 514 feet, two feet taller than the legendary Williamsburgh Bank Building.

The developer did not return repeated requests for comment. But local preservationists are wary.

“There is nothing sacrosanct about the specific height of the Williamsburgh Bank building,” said Simeon Bankoff, Historic Districts Council executive director. “It’s more of a case of what we want Brooklyn to look like. Do we want Brooklyn to be the mirror image of the Manhattan skyline?”

In 2006, Brooklynites were similarly aghast to discover that Miss Brooklyn, the trophy skyscraper of the Frank Gehry-designed 16-tower-and-arena Atlantic Yards project, would rise to 620 feet and obscure views of the clocktower. Later that year, developer Forest City Ratner, agreed to lower its height to below 512 feet.

If Bankoff had his way, Clarett would do the same.

“Brooklyn was once called the borough of churches, because church steeples were the tallest things around,” said Bankoff. “The notion of this high-rise living is not necessarily what defines Brooklyn as an area, as a notion, as a state of mind.”

News about the Lawrence St. deal was first reported on Brownstoner.com

©2007 The Brooklyn Paper

NewYorkDoc
August 10th, 2007, 11:35 PM
I wish ONE building could please surpass the Savings Bank so we can get over this ridiculous hurdle.

ASchwarz
August 11th, 2007, 02:28 AM
I wish ONE building could please surpass the Savings Bank so we can get over this ridiculous hurdle.

A bunch will surpass its height (I already count three); no need to fret.

Derek2k3
August 11th, 2007, 03:06 AM
111 Lawrence will sit almost dead center in the Brooklyn skyline. The architects are Gerner Kronick + Valcarcel. If these towers ever start, I think Brooklyn will have a more visually appealing skyline that Jersey City in a few years.

Permit (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobDetailsServlet?requestid=2&allisn=0001388443&allboroughname=&allnumbhous=&allstrt=)


http://brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/107lawrence01.jpg
Brownstoner thread (http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2007/08/claretts_big_pl.php#more)

BrooklynRider
August 11th, 2007, 09:52 AM
True, Ratner also has the 1M SF building proposed for the NY Tech College site at Jay & Tillary. That should give the skyline a boost and block the uglier Metrotech buildings.

investordude
November 21st, 2007, 11:20 AM
It looks like the demolition of 107 lawrence street is complete. Brownstoner ran an article there would be a 51 story condo there. Down the street, on 388 bridge street, demolition is underway today. My understanding is a 50 story tower will be built there.

107 Lawrence Street hype - http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2007/08/claretts_big_pl.php

388 Bridge Street hype - discussed in this thread around sept 25.

lofter1
November 27th, 2007, 04:10 PM
DOB shows that 109 - 117 Lawrence (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobDetailsServlet?requestid=6&allisn=0001388443&allboroughname=&allnumbhous=&allstrt=) has a NEW Building Application (Disapproved 10.03.2007):

Arch: Gerner Kronick + Valcarcel (http://www.gkvarchitects.com/) (nothing shown there for this site)
J2 Residential
Stories: 51
Height: 514
Residences: 491
Gross SF: 456,082 Sq. Ft.

investordude
November 28th, 2007, 05:01 PM
I'm glad to see this one go up. One of the problems with the new development in Brooklyn is that 40 story buildings aren't that visible from likely skyline vantages like the Manhattan East River, and these new taller 50+ story buildings will actually stand out and add some heft tot he skyline.

BrooklynLove
December 10th, 2007, 10:17 PM
excavation plans approved today by DOB:
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobDetailsServlet?requestid=3&allisn=0001413057&allboroughname=&allnumbhous=&allstrt=

downtown brooklyn rising. squash the credit crunch.

BrooklynLove
January 6th, 2008, 07:06 PM
... and the slight beginning of some unearthing is evident

BrooklynLove
January 8th, 2008, 07:00 AM
damn it. they were finally getting going over here, and now a stop work order ... :mad:

bklynite
January 28th, 2008, 09:24 AM
Anyone seen a rendering of this one? Very excited for this development.

BrooklynLove
January 29th, 2008, 10:09 PM
wut up bk-nite.

107 and 111 are the same site. i haven't been by in almost 2 weeks so can't comment on visible progress but DOB records show that another pass at the new building permit was shot down on monday. they should get it sooner or later.

i haven't seen a rendering either, and would also LOVE to see one.

bklynite
January 30th, 2008, 12:14 PM
thanks BL -- i'll keep my eyes out on this one.

BrooklynLove
April 19th, 2008, 05:47 PM
they're starting to kick it into high gear on this site. looks like pile driving is imminent and they're working out of an absolutely ginormous hole. this building is going to be a biggun.

bklynite
April 25th, 2008, 10:40 AM
w00t

bklynite
May 15th, 2008, 04:35 PM
pouring is underway

BrooklynLove
May 15th, 2008, 08:49 PM
w00t

Tectonic
May 15th, 2008, 09:19 PM
Any idea what this will look like? I'm glad this has its own thread. I don't like how all the Brooklyn projects are jumbled into one thread, its kinda confusing.

BrooklynLove
June 3rd, 2008, 10:08 PM
finally - NB permit approved - all 51 stories worth. downtown BK b**ches!!!

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=1&passjobnumber=302374641&passdocnumber=01

bklynite
June 11th, 2008, 10:17 AM
wow.

think we'll see a rendering soon?

BrooklynRider
June 14th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Not much to see here yet. It is a large mid-block site. The plywood fencing has no cut outs.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN1657.jpg

Held my camera over the fence for a blind shot. I got this pic of the foundations. They were working today, so onward it goes.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN1656.jpg

BrooklynLove
July 19th, 2008, 06:09 PM
Crane is in. It's still very short but the cab and cross section of the tower are enormous - at least as large if not larger than the crane at Beekman Tower. This building is going to be huge.

Tectonic
August 21st, 2008, 11:25 PM
Weds 08/20

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/641482.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/641483.jpg

BrooklynLove
November 24th, 2008, 12:46 PM
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/11/111_lawrence_re.php

If AntiNimby wasn't MIA I'm sure that he'd have some great things to say about this rendering. Let's hope that this image is not entirely indicative of the real-life product.

Tectonic
November 24th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Goodness! Lets really hope the Actual building looks better.

philvia
November 24th, 2008, 09:21 PM
omg 51 stories??? i walk past it almost everday (i live a block away) and i've always wondered whats going there. its about on the 8th or 9th floor right now. had no idea it was to be 51 haha

anyways, the render quality is crap and such so i wont judge yet.

BrooklynRider
November 25th, 2008, 12:09 AM
If we were to go by the r endering, I'd be hoping for the project to go bankrupt and cap out at five stories. Boy, Brooklyn is bow-wow when it comes to building design.

Derek2k3
December 4th, 2008, 01:11 AM
It's sad that this will be Brooklyn's tallest building. Hopefully only for a short time.

sfenn1117
December 4th, 2008, 02:00 AM
^The picture has been taken off the Clarett website. It's hope that this isn't the design.

BrooklynLove
December 4th, 2008, 07:17 AM
Hopefully you're right. However the shape of the base thus far looks to be in line with the rendering so I'm not holding my breath.

antinimby
December 6th, 2008, 06:17 AM
Oh my...what a totally, graceless, genu-wine P.O.S.

Unbelievable.

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/111-lawrence-rendering-1108.jpg

Tectonic
December 6th, 2008, 07:05 AM
and it's growing fast too! Walked by yesterday.

Stroika
December 6th, 2008, 11:50 AM
Really, the city COULD do SOMETHING to discourage seriously terrible architecture. It's not as though something like this POS will be subtle -- it'll be the tallest freaking building in Brooklyn! (And this after Gehry's much-better "Miss Brooklyn" was ordered cut down by people worried that something would be taller than the Williamsburg Savings Bank!)

I'm very nervous about advocating that a city dictate architectural style, but for crying out loud, they could at least have some standards sifting out the real garbage. This is what happens in landmark districts, e.g. -- why not extend it to the rest of the city?

It's like a woman being raped as the police stand by and watch...

antinimby
December 6th, 2008, 03:23 PM
^ As usual, they're busy going after the innocent and the good guys.

Just like in this city, the NIMBYs and community boards always molest the ambitious (and good) projects but the true bad guys such as the McSams, Avalons, Moinans etc. are left alone.

Tectonic
December 6th, 2008, 06:42 PM
Some how I think there are other forces (interests) at play against some of these projects.

TREPYE
December 6th, 2008, 10:18 PM
It's sad that this will be Brooklyn's tallest building. Hopefully only for a short time.


Oh my...what a totally, graceless, genu-wine P.O.S.

Unbelievable.

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/111-lawrence-rendering-1108.jpg


Brooklyn has been the victim of some atroucious POS garbage archtiectural design -and it continues to be :mad:. This like the HORRID metrotech buildings is going to be a graceless embarrasment in the Brooklyn skyline.

Well put antimyby this design is effed up, makes me want to smack the developer in the back of the head and say: "Is this the best you can do for Brooklyn's tallest tower?!??".

Scumbags. :rolleyes: A borough with so much character and history cannot be treated like this architecturally.

Clarknt67
December 7th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Seriously, Brooklyn's blazing to new heights with that ugly thing? That will be visible to everyone in Manhattan? What an embarrassment. I hope it looks better than the rendering.

philvia
December 7th, 2008, 05:31 PM
first cladding
http://i38.tinypic.com/2hpimvo.jpg

sfenn1117
December 8th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Looks like the red in the facade won't be red brick...I don't know if that's good or not. It'll be a clunker, no verticality whatsoever for a 50 story tower.

NYC4Life
December 8th, 2008, 02:39 AM
Never imagined Brooklyn's tallest highrise would resemble a 1950's era low income housing project.

BrooklynLove
December 8th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Never imagined Brooklyn's tallest highrise would resemble a 1950's era low income housing project.

kind of resembles the highrise over by AY on the fort greene side.

Clarknt67
December 8th, 2008, 01:05 PM
On the bright side, it makes the Metrotech buildings look good by comparison.

Stroika
December 8th, 2008, 02:31 PM
I dunno, we'll have to wait till this is built (and hopefully they'll run out of $$ after 8 floors and cap it there), but I'm not sure it'll be better than MetroTech...

NYC4Life
December 9th, 2008, 05:48 AM
Neither buildings tops One Hanson Place (Williamsburg Savings Bank Building).

BrooklynLove
December 9th, 2008, 06:51 AM
Too bad they can't sell their units.

philvia
December 14th, 2008, 02:32 AM
the whole row of windows are installed, and the red is just generic metal panels. i can't tell if it will be too bad or not.... all i know is its definitely not anything special.
maybe it'll turn out brighter red and be somewhat similar to the red apple in rotterdam :D thats me being optimistic

Tectonic
December 26th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Thought some people might wanna see these

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3139479905_7872d800b3_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/3139480073_433342953e_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/3139479985_9188050c37_o.jpg

I was questioned by a security guard while taking those and told that I couldn't take pictures further north on Lawrence (Metrotech). Just a heads up.
(I'm thinking they just might ban cameras in this city one day...:p)

antinimby
December 26th, 2008, 11:04 PM
Wavy glass and AC vents. Ugh.

This and the Avalon Fort Greene are the very definition of the word, MONSTROSITY.

sfenn1117
December 26th, 2008, 11:56 PM
Horrific building aside - I'll be happy when this tops out in a few months and the Williamsburg Savings Bank will no longer be tallest in Brooklyn. Even if it's only topped by 3 feet, it's important that it finally happens.

BrooklynLove
December 27th, 2008, 08:05 AM
Whoever paid up for views in the higher floors of BellTel facing West is getting this lump right in their face.

bklynite
January 7th, 2009, 12:49 PM
looks like it will be good dorm space for NYU kids.

BrooklynRider
January 12th, 2009, 01:48 PM
It is climbing fast, but the facade is going to be hideous if this contiues to the roof; cheap looking and out-and-out ugly.

BrooklynLove
January 18th, 2009, 05:49 PM
Another row of windows has gone in. This one is not looking promising.

BrooklynRider
January 19th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Yeah, I saw that on a walk through Downtown Brooklyn on Saturday. This and Avalon are rising very quickly, but I fear we are going to get two very ugly bumps in the skyline. Not "slightly unattractive" - we're talking "butt ugly."

sfenn1117
January 20th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Yeah, Avalon you expect ugly. Clarett has put up some average buildings, but this will likely be their worst. It'll be interesting to see how prominent 111 Lawrence is from various viewpoints - seeing as it's destined to be Brooklyn's new tallest.

BrooklynLove
January 20th, 2009, 07:03 AM
111L is not looking good, however I think that you're over-reacting re AVBFG.

antinimby
January 20th, 2009, 12:14 PM
I think BrooklynLove might own stocks in Avalon Bay.

BrooklynLove
January 20th, 2009, 05:43 PM
no but doesn't sound like a bad play right now

ASchwarz
January 22nd, 2009, 01:28 AM
Neither buildings tops One Hanson Place (Williamsburg Savings Bank Building).

In terms of height, 111 Lawrence tops One Hanson Place. AVB does not.

philvia
January 31st, 2009, 09:36 PM
maybe i can get some photos tomorrow... after going to TN for a month over the holidays, was pretty disappointed with the speed of 111L and the Toren... however, Avalon Bay has shot up like a weed!

Derek2k3
February 1st, 2009, 08:57 PM
It seems the building was inspired by MetroTech rather than the beauty abutting it. Fortunately hardly anyone will walk by this project since MetroTech has made the block a dead-zone. It'll be a bigger problem when this emerges as the peak of the boroughs skyline.
From today:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3356/3245416883_0e1cd7e030_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3479/3245416871_6788160972_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/3246245070_8bed6897a1_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3336/3245416885_0cbdc99143_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3338/3245416877_ae69579540_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/3245416859_a469df4fa6_o.jpg

The need to get rid of those bright orange awnings.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3118/3245416867_ae0c39d79f_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3246245080_ae4801aa7c_o.jpg

BrooklynLove
February 1st, 2009, 10:37 PM
It seems the building was inspired by MetroTech rather than the beauty abutting it. Fortunately hardly anyone will walk by this project since MetroTech has made the block a dead-zone. It'll be a bigger problem when this emerges as the peak of the boroughs skyline.

Adding insult to injury, the face that will be visible from most Manhattan based vantage points will be a windowless plane.

antinimby
February 1st, 2009, 10:50 PM
Looking on the bright side, it can always be recladded in a few years, when its grossness becomes unbearable to all whom lays eyes upon it.

philvia
February 2nd, 2009, 12:05 AM
haha derek saved me from carrying my big camera around... he and i pretty much shared the same walk today! all the way from dtown brooklyn then across the bridge into manhattan..


as for the block being dead, its the weekend. on a weekday its quite busy.

BrooklynRider
February 7th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Wandering through Downtown Brooklyn today...

100 Lawrence now visible from Flatbush Ave...

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/NYC%202-7-2009/DSCN2663.jpg

From Willoughby...

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/NYC%202-7-2009/DSCN2679.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/NYC%202-7-2009/DSCN2680.jpg

Derek2k3
February 10th, 2009, 12:48 AM
http://www.110livingston.net/wp-content/uploads//2009/02/dsc03062-medium.jpg

Brooklyn’s Tallest Building On the Way (http://www.110livingston.net/2009/02/08/brooklyns-tallest-building-on-the-way/)

NoyokA
February 10th, 2009, 12:53 AM
Disgusting! This is more damaging than when Chase Manhattan came to the Lower Manhattan skyline. At least Metrotech is unassuming, I feel horrible for the beautiful old gem next to it.

philvia
February 10th, 2009, 02:58 AM
it is really bad... wtf the random brown pieces :confused: and its only gonna get MUCH taller.. so sad

BrooklynLove
February 10th, 2009, 07:09 AM
Someone dropped a Baby Ruth in the pool ...

antinimby
February 10th, 2009, 12:48 PM
I feel horrible for the beautiful old gem next to it.Feel horrible for Brooklyn. This will be our tallest. :(

philvia
February 10th, 2009, 01:07 PM
crane jump today @ 2pm for about 3 hours

sfenn1117
February 10th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Ouch, puts into perspective how bad it will be. It's only 23 floors too, long way to go.

antinimby
February 10th, 2009, 05:04 PM
It'll make Kondylis' 10 Barclay look sexy (never thought that would be possible).

BrooklynRider
March 7th, 2009, 11:23 PM
This is a seriously ugly building...

1. Making its appearance from Flatbush Ave...

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0011.jpg

2. Up close & personal

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0016-1.jpg

3. Am I racist if i hate the color of this building's skin?

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0018.jpg

lofter1
March 8th, 2009, 01:18 AM
That is really sad and cheap. Booooo.

Tectonic
March 8th, 2009, 09:34 AM
Even if they had stuck to all cheap glass it would have been better.

BrooklynLove
March 8th, 2009, 07:41 PM
The kicker here is that this thing is going to be enormous. It's going to look like a big pencil case when all is said and done.

TREPYE
March 16th, 2009, 02:56 PM
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0018.jpg
Architectural slop...gross!


Why does Brooklyn get treated like this????????

NoyokA
March 16th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Essentially they took a 1960's era elementary school and blew it up 50 storeys. Despicable. Poor Brooklyn.

Tectonic
March 16th, 2009, 08:10 PM
I see this building every day and try to find good elements. It's very difficult, best I could come up with were the cheap red panels. This is a real disaster.

antinimby
March 16th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Is it safe to assume that the openings are reserved for Fedders?

scumonkey
March 16th, 2009, 09:45 PM
I didn't think it possible to design something as bad, or worse, than Gene Kaufman + get it built...
So sad to be proven so wrong :(

Derek2k3
March 17th, 2009, 12:34 AM
I hope they cover the slab edges.

zinka
March 17th, 2009, 01:14 AM
I hope they cover the slab edges.


I think the cutesy rounded slab edges are their way to leave the slab edges uncovered without making them look like slab edges on first glance.

Everything about this project is terrible.

speedy1979
March 24th, 2009, 11:03 PM
This is a seriously ugly building...

1. Making its appearance from Flatbush Ave...

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0011.jpg

2. Up close & personal

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0016-1.jpg

3. Am I racist if i hate the color of this building's skin?

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0018.jpg

How did the architect even get a degree. Even the Ryugyong hotel looks better than this.

philvia
March 29th, 2009, 08:50 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/2lw29fo.jpg

avngingandbright
March 31st, 2009, 12:19 AM
Blame the cheapo developer for shopping at architectural Costco.

Derek2k3
March 31st, 2009, 02:24 AM
Usually both Clarett and GKV due nice work. I don't know what happened here.
Maybe it's a Brooklyn thing.

Tectonic
March 31st, 2009, 07:25 AM
Didn't Clarett build Forte as well? Better than 111 but still poor.

BrooklynRider
April 1st, 2009, 01:20 AM
It's a part of the skyline from the south at this point.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/nyc%203-31-2009/th_03312009010.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/nyc%203-31-2009/?action=view&current=03312009010.jpg)

antinimby
April 1st, 2009, 08:23 PM
It'll be like a huge scar on Brooklyn's face. :mad:

Derek2k3
April 1st, 2009, 09:40 PM
Downtown Bk already has a butter face.

Tectonic
April 3rd, 2009, 12:13 AM
I mean Avalon Ft Greene will just melt into Metro Tech but this is really really really ugly. I just can't believe how BAD this building is, it's like a BAD dream and of course the saving grace (City Point) is not happening right now.

ZippyTheChimp
April 6th, 2009, 12:31 PM
OMG.

I haven't been around here for awhile; didn't realize what a highly visible hunk-o-junk this building is.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2909/111lawrence01c.th.jpg (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=111lawrence01c.jpg) http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8051/111lawrence02c.th.jpg (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=111lawrence02c.jpg)

And right next to one of the nicest buildings in the area - the 110 year old Telephone Building. The stone carvings depict the old telephones with the separate earpiece. I would have taken some pictures, but didn't have the heart to walk down there.

Took a few more uplifting shots instead
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7517/boroughhall01.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boroughhall01.jpg) http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1728/boroughhall02.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boroughhall02.jpg)

Tectonic
April 6th, 2009, 06:59 PM
It's a disaster!

philvia
April 6th, 2009, 08:53 PM
the north wall doesnt have any windows like the south, just crappy stamped concrete. the windows on the edge of the north/south walls are full windows as well... none of that red/brown crap.

this building is so weird. can we write angry letters to the architect? lol

BrooklynLove
April 6th, 2009, 11:10 PM
Hmmmmm.

BrooklynLove
April 6th, 2009, 11:10 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2031/2560592244_ba3b8007c9.jpg

BrooklynLove
April 6th, 2009, 11:11 PM
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8051/111lawrence02c.jpg (http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8051/111lawrence02c.jpg)

BrooklynLove
April 6th, 2009, 11:11 PM
Any questions?

zinka
April 6th, 2009, 11:43 PM
the north wall doesnt have any windows like the south, just crappy stamped concrete.

I guess they didn't want the million dollar views of Manhattan.

Fools.

BrooklynLove
April 7th, 2009, 07:24 AM
Or lot line and no air rights.

Tectonic
April 7th, 2009, 09:41 AM
Does that mean one day we can block this mess with something better...but that would mean sacrificing the Telephone Building, would it?

ZippyTheChimp
April 7th, 2009, 11:37 AM
The Telephone Building (http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/nynjtel.pdf) is landmarked. Amazing that it took the LPC 40 years to get around to it.

Nothing is going to cover up that lot-line wall. Normally, I'd guess this would be a core wall, but the building is wide, and there are windows. So I think it's a shear wall.

Tectonic
April 7th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Ok thanks for the good news and the bad news.

speedy1979
April 8th, 2009, 10:40 PM
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8051/111lawrence02c.jpg (http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8051/111lawrence02c.jpg)

An abomination grows in Brooklyn. :mad:

zinka
April 10th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Or lot line and no air rights.

You can still put in a certain number of windows in such circumstances. You just have to be willing to cover them up in the unlikely (in this case) event that someone builds on the adjacent lot.

BrooklynLove
April 11th, 2009, 09:21 AM
That's great but the reason for no windows in this wall is lot line no air rights.

antinimby
April 11th, 2009, 01:56 PM
There'd been a few bright spots but I'd say the vast majority of the things that has happened to this whole city within the past year is depressing, including this damn tower.

TREPYE
April 11th, 2009, 07:40 PM
Its not a damn tower, its a disgusting one.

Tectonic
April 12th, 2009, 12:31 AM
Dunno, but the architect's other buildings designed for the city are much better, based on what I see on the website. They must have something against Brooklyn.

antinimby
April 12th, 2009, 01:53 PM
Either that or he smoked something funny while he was drawing up this steaming pile.

ramvid01
April 13th, 2009, 02:01 PM
This thing is sooo ugly. I mean really what developer would actually believe this is attractive!

I think four year olds on draino could come up with a better looking building than that. :mad:

zinka
April 13th, 2009, 10:48 PM
That's great but the reason for no windows in this wall is lot line no air rights.


My point was that you *can* put windows on lot lines, even without air rights, up to a certain point. That is not a description for why they chose not to do so in this case.

ZippyTheChimp
April 14th, 2009, 12:58 AM
Zinka,

The legal aspect of lot-line widows is that they can't be used for compliance with the building code requirement for light and ventilation. If they were counted, a future building blocking them would put the housing units in code violation.

The engineering aspect is that in a typical row house, the lot-line walls bear most of the load (floor beams are usually parallel to the streetwall), so you can't just punch out windows at will.

I agree with your point that air-rights have nothing to do with the 111 Lawrence wall. The building next door, 81 Willoughby, is landmarked, so it doesn't have air-rights. It has TDRs (transferable development rights), which can be sold to property either adjacent or non-contiguous with the zoning lot.

bklynite
April 16th, 2009, 06:19 PM
this bldg is flying up.

BrooklynRider
April 17th, 2009, 09:47 AM
It's all typical floors and the footprint of the building is actually rather small.

kz1000ps
April 17th, 2009, 11:05 AM
4/13:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2487/img0715hkz.jpg

Tectonic
April 24th, 2009, 07:32 AM
Chills...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3531/3470849996_3340e71ef7_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3659/3470849806_bda12c3be1_b.jpg

BrooklynLove
April 24th, 2009, 07:48 AM
My lord that looks awful. Please make it stop.

avngingandbright
April 24th, 2009, 01:14 PM
That literally looks like a house of cards.

zinka
April 24th, 2009, 02:36 PM
What the hell?!

zinka
April 26th, 2009, 03:13 PM
I take back my earlier comment that there are no north-facing windows. Actually, there are, on about the 15th floor and higher. They're on the corners of the building, though, creating an ugly blank wall between them.

That said, they were smart enough to build the lot-line windows. I'm sure that adding those windows with Manhattan views to the living rooms of those corner apartments will raise the rent considerably.

antinimby
April 26th, 2009, 04:13 PM
Anyone paying to live here should be shot.

BrooklynLove
April 26th, 2009, 07:40 PM
This thing is in full view now from the waterfront by the Manhattan Bridge.

philvia
April 27th, 2009, 12:04 PM
probably afraid that the newish 12 floor building will be getting replaced by something much taller... NOT! the metro tech buildings will be here long after 111 Lawrence is gone


I take back my earlier comment that there are no north-facing windows. Actually, there are, on about the 15th floor and higher. They're on the corners of the building, though, creating an ugly blank wall between them.

That said, they were smart enough to build the lot-line windows. I'm sure that adding those windows with Manhattan views to the living rooms of those corner apartments will raise the rent considerably.

BrooklynLove
April 30th, 2009, 07:43 AM
I'm somewhat reluctant to put this out there but the building is actually starting to look halfway decent when viewed from Boerum near Atlantic. It's looking a bit like a play on the UN Secretariat building.

bklynite
April 30th, 2009, 10:36 AM
ha -- the UN slab of downtown brooklyn. oddly 111 lawrence does improve the downtown brooklyn skyline somewhat with the height alone. the chase building is not exactly a looker, and lawrence lowers chase's domination of the area.

philvia
April 30th, 2009, 12:42 PM
Chills...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3659/3470849806_bda12c3be1_b.jpg

that's the most flattering pic i've seen of it yet.

BrooklynLove
April 30th, 2009, 07:55 PM
The vantage point I had in mind is from somewhere near 110 Livingston, standing on Boerum.

Tectonic
April 30th, 2009, 08:10 PM
I saw what you're talking about BL. Even a boring glass cladding on this building would have been better.

philvia
May 2nd, 2009, 06:02 PM
north face getting windows?

http://i43.tinypic.com/2yxracw.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/mtw4th.jpg

antinimby
May 2nd, 2009, 06:05 PM
How many more horrible floors are there to go?

philvia
May 2nd, 2009, 06:21 PM
from my window i count about 43, so ~10 left.... which is quite a bit higher than i thought it would be now that i think about it

ramvid01
May 3rd, 2009, 12:37 AM
Wow. That's 53 floors too many.

antinimby
May 3rd, 2009, 11:44 AM
I just want to do an informal poll of the folks here.

Would you rent here?

Assuming you are looking for a place in this area, there a few other options all with pretty much the same price range and amenities.

Would the look of a building from the outside influence your decision or does it not matter?


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0018.jpg

ap307
May 3rd, 2009, 12:00 PM
If you're renting, why would you care in the least about the building's architecture?

Now, if the ceilings are excessively low, or the sound insulation poor, as a result of bad design, that's another matter.

This building has the benefit of being closer to the Borough Hall station (relative to, say, Avalon).


I just want to do an informal poll of the folks here.

Would you rent here?

Assuming you are looking for a place in this area, there a few other options all with pretty much the same price range and amenities.

Would the look of a building from the outside influence your decision or does it not matter?


http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0018.jpg

antinimby
May 3rd, 2009, 12:11 PM
Umm...maybe not you but some people might.

I know I wouldn't want to live in something that looked like a housing project even if I was just renting.

If everything was equal, I would choose something that looked more aesthetically pleasing both inside and out.

philvia
May 3rd, 2009, 12:14 PM
i would be curious and check it out from the inside... its in a great location and close to like 10 trains and the views will be pretty good.

sfenn1117
May 3rd, 2009, 12:55 PM
Umm...maybe not you but some people might.

I know I wouldn't want to live in something that looked like a housing project even if I was just renting.

If everything was equal, I would choose something that looked more aesthetically pleasing both inside and out.

That's the problem, people could care less what the outside of their building looks like. That's why developers get away with throwing up crap like this. Like everyone is saying, it has great views and tremendous access to mass transit. From the inside, it IS a nice place to live.

ramvid01
May 3rd, 2009, 05:49 PM
As a renter I think you have less pride in how your building looks from the outside because you don't own it. As an owner your more likely to care how your property looks.

Personally however, even though I dislike the exterior, if the interiors are really nice, I would most likely rent (although renting in a prettier looking building from the outside would be optimal).

ASchwarz
May 3rd, 2009, 10:28 PM
As a renter, I wouldn't care.

As an owner, I would care.

BrooklynLove
May 3rd, 2009, 10:37 PM
This building is actually start look aight from a distance. I'd say that it's appearance curve is negatively correlated with that of Avalon FG.

BrooklynRider
May 4th, 2009, 12:17 AM
It comes down to location and price. I've been to some gorgeous apartments in some hideous buildings. The views here will be excellent (but close the blinds because I'm sure BrooklynLove will have a telescope trained on all those open windows.;)

bklynite
May 4th, 2009, 11:17 AM
i would definitely rent there -- the views from up high will be just stunning.

as far as appearance, for a rental all that matters to me is that the lobby looks decent. this building will do great, i am sure.

NoyokA
May 4th, 2009, 12:18 PM
In NY it all comes down to bottom line. For me its location, price, size, appearance is very low on my list. Theoretically speaking I don't think anyone (unless rich) would turn down a $500 one bedroom at a building that looks hideous from the outside.

zinka
May 5th, 2009, 05:57 PM
The other problem for renters is that this isn't on a normal street. It's within MetroTech's sterile area.

philvia
May 5th, 2009, 11:12 PM
The other problem for renters is that this isn't on a normal street. It's within MetroTech's sterile area.

It's mid block away from all the shopping you could need.

zinka
May 5th, 2009, 11:21 PM
It's mid block away from all the shopping you could need.

As long as all you need is name buckles, cell phones, and sneakers.

BrooklynLove
May 5th, 2009, 11:22 PM
Zinka loves to hate the location of every new building in downtown Brooklyn.

antinimby
May 6th, 2009, 12:06 PM
I don't get that impression. zinka has been more than fair.

You BrooklynLove on the other hand, I'm not too sure about...:rolleyes:

ASchwarz
May 6th, 2009, 02:18 PM
While I agree it's ugly, it seems to get somewhat less ugly as it rises.

I would be happy with mediocre.

zinka
May 6th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Zinka loves to hate the location of every new building in downtown Brooklyn.

I don't hate everything about this location -- it's near transit, at least -- but I do think the immediate location leaves a bit to be desired, especially at night. I'm also not so big on MetroTech in general.

The recent opening of Brooklyn Fare will help a bit on the groceries front.

zinka
May 6th, 2009, 02:48 PM
While I agree it's ugly, it seems to get somewhat less ugly as it rises.

Or maybe we're just getting numbed to the horror. :)

I don't think anything can help the awful north and south walls.

philvia
May 6th, 2009, 03:58 PM
As long as all you need is name buckles, cell phones, and sneakers.


lol, there's also atlantic terminal mall a couple minutes away and city point in the next couple of years

BrooklynLove
May 6th, 2009, 08:06 PM
I don't get that impression. zinka has been more than fair.

You BrooklynLove on the other hand, I'm not too sure about...:rolleyes:

read brownstoner

antinimby
May 6th, 2009, 08:29 PM
read brownstonerYour comments there just reinforces my opinion of you.

philvia
May 7th, 2009, 03:38 PM
excuse the durrrty window

http://i41.tinypic.com/2crksic.jpg

BrooklynLove
May 7th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Your comments there just reinforces my opinion of you.

Thanks for sharing. Compliment yourself lately?

BrooklynRider
May 7th, 2009, 09:45 PM
excuse the durrrty window



Eat your chocolate bunny lolipop.

What scent is the air freshener?

philvia
May 7th, 2009, 11:08 PM
Eat your chocolate bunny lolipop.

What scent is the air freshener?

"After the Rain" :D

BrooklynRider
May 13th, 2009, 07:55 PM
1.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0324.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0324.jpg)

2.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0334.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0334.jpg)

3.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0337.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0337.jpg)

4.
[/URL]http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0356.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0337.jpg)

5.
[URL=http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0354.jpg]http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0354.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0370.jpg)

BKALLDAY
May 16th, 2009, 09:49 PM
This is a cant miss project it is smack dab in the middle of downtown Brooklyn. Location location location. When this is completed a lot of you guys calling it an eye sore will come around. In 5 years Downtown will be off the hook witrh completed develoments.

BrooklynLove
May 17th, 2009, 01:31 PM
That's right. Downtown BK no doubt.

BrooklynRider
May 22nd, 2009, 12:54 AM
Okay, I'm postign a lot of pictures so we can restart the debate on the facade...

1. south elevation

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0507.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0507.jpg)

2.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0535.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0535.jpg)

3. Detail of the south facade

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0542.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0542.jpg)

4.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0547.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0547.jpg)

5. The colored panels are gowing on me. It is definitely looking better over a larger plane.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0553.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0553.jpg)

6.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0556.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0556.jpg)

sfenn1117
May 22nd, 2009, 01:20 AM
Just a few floors left and I admit too- it is looking better. Awaiting how it will look in the skyline.

bklynite
May 22nd, 2009, 10:34 AM
right now the raw concrete is the worst-looking thing about it. when complete, i think it will punctuate the skyline well, and blend in at the same time, architecturally.

speedy1979
May 22nd, 2009, 04:14 PM
It doesn't look quite as bad as I thought it would.

Tectonic
May 23rd, 2009, 12:48 PM
I'll admit it doesn't look as bad as before. Maybe because it has stretched a bit.

BKALLDAY
May 23rd, 2009, 01:10 PM
I love it.I have been waiting for brooklyn to to go skyscraper all my life

ZippyTheChimp
May 23rd, 2009, 02:33 PM
When this is completed a lot of you guys calling it an eye sore will come around.Paraphrasing my mom,

"If you keep looking at it, you'll go blind."

BrooklynLove
May 23rd, 2009, 07:10 PM
This is the view from Boerum near Atlantic - not bad at all.

bklynite
June 3rd, 2009, 02:52 PM
http://www.110livingston.net/2009/05/31/111-lawrence-rising/

MAY 31, 2009
111 Lawrence Rising — Downtown Brooklyn’s Tallest Building is Now Residential
Filed under: Brooklyn Real Estate, Downtown Brooklyn, Neighborhood News, The View from Here — admin @ 9:54 am Edit This


In a symbolic transition for Downtown Brooklyn, the tallest building in the neighborhood is now a residential building. 111 Lawrence, under construction by the Clarett Group, is just one of several residential buildings under construction or in the planning stages in the area. While construction appears halted currently due to stop work orders, the tower will upon completion be the tallest in Brooklyn, surpassing the Williamsburgh Bank Building.

Below is a great view of some of the other buildings going up downtown, viewed from the east. From left to right these are Toren, Avalon Fort Greene, 111 Lawrence, and Oro:



Photo credit: WiredNY forums

ht-freak
June 8th, 2009, 10:08 AM
Can anyone here please try and post a new panoramic pic of the Brooklyn skyline, preferably from a place like Smith & Ninth street station?

BrooklynRider
June 8th, 2009, 06:21 PM
Any chance you can get on a train and do it for us?

Gulcrapek
June 8th, 2009, 10:37 PM
May 17
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3618/3608814691_0dbf7af153_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3608901007_50656e52d6_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3608902185_a0c216181c_b.jpg

zinka
June 9th, 2009, 11:25 AM
Press release announcing new name of this project:
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090609005943&newsLang=en

Barfalicious quote:
With varying shades of earth tones and patterns reflective of Brooklyn’s historic brownstone homes and architectural elements found in the nearby neighborhood, the exterior walls are designed with a “basket-weave” aesthetic. According to Randy Gerner, AIA, Principal of GKV Architects and lead architect on the development, “The design of The Brooklyner was greatly influenced by the textures and colors of the neighborhoods that surround it. The architecture is intended to weave the urban fabric into the facade, transforming the building into a structure that is distinctly modern, attractively innovative and authentically Brooklyn.”

Gulcrapek
June 9th, 2009, 02:11 PM
OH

MY

GOD

That is an awful name for a subpar building.

lofter1
June 9th, 2009, 04:17 PM
How do you pronounce that?


"Brook - luh - NEAR" (Aarrrgghh!)

"Brook - LIE - ner"

"BROOK - lin - errrrr"

Maybe it will be a sign of things to come, a leader of sorts:


The Manhattaner

The Queenser

The Bronxer

The Staten Islander (already taken?)

BrooklynLove
June 9th, 2009, 09:50 PM
here are some ideas:

the complainer

the whiner

the cry baby

the architect

TREPYE
June 10th, 2009, 02:19 PM
^ Another shallow as a desert puddle special by BL :rolleyes:.


http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/111-lawrence-rendering-1108.jpg

You cannot name a building the borough it tarnishes and offends...

I was waiting for the building to be finished before I said this but I while ago based on the renderings and the trash that the facede looks like now the only fitting name that I can give this filth due in the face of resemblance is: Pig Vomit

In between the colors and the awful irregular glass and grotesque impact that has it is exactly what it looks like; pig vomit.

And just imagine it once finished it gonna look like a long line of pig vomit shooting out of the Broojklyn skyline.

Hey Mods: Can we rename this thread to 111 Lawrence St: Pig Vomit

TREPYE
June 10th, 2009, 07:47 PM
Ahhh, spledid!

Thanks to the Mod who took in my suggestion.

Looks better than I thought it would once I saw it listed...:D

BrooklynLove
June 10th, 2009, 08:57 PM
TREPYE - have a blast complaining about the building but spare me the Brooklyn spin. You have nothing to do with this boro - even you happen to live here right now. Just another sheep.

TREPYE
June 10th, 2009, 11:29 PM
Um....sure what ever you say, "BrooklynLove".

Reading your posts on how you will accept ANYthing and EVERYthing in "your" boro one cannot help to think that your name in relation to your complacency for any development no matter how dismal is....oxymoronic.

The only other adjective I can come up for your attitude towards Brooklyn is negletful.

Alonzo-ny
June 11th, 2009, 05:36 AM
Great title. BrooklynLove your arrogance and ignorance is astounding. You are oblivious to what would actually be good for Brooklyn. The buck doesnt stop with you.

BrooklynLove
June 11th, 2009, 06:22 AM
Gimme a break. Read the thread for godsake. When did I become a proponent of this building? And when did I ever say that my opinion was fact? My point is that all these rants on this site about virtually every single building in Brooklyn focus 100% on the architecural merits of a building. TREPYE moans and groans about insults to the boro but speaks only to the architectural merits of a building. How do you make that judgment based solely on what a building looks like? Such a view shows zero interest in economic benefits to the boro. This is the essence of an outsider's approach - make it look nice, who cares about anything else.

My point is simple. These posts care only about asthetics. We don't live in an art gallery. If you want to moan about asthetics - fine. But don't reach conclusions as to the overall impact on Brooklyn if you refuse to consider more than asthetic factors.

Alonzo-ny
June 11th, 2009, 06:47 AM
Thats not the point Im making. Im talking about your attitude, you talk like your opinion is the only one that matters.

ZippyTheChimp
June 11th, 2009, 07:13 AM
If you want to moan about asthetics - fine.So, discussing aesthetics is moaning? These are the words you use: bitching, crying, whining. It's dismissive.


But don't reach conclusions as to the overall impact on Brooklyn if you refuse to consider more than asthetic factors.What economic factors are we missing that dictate that the tallest building in Brooklyn has to look the way it does?

When pressed on this, you retreat into "only those from Brooklyn would understand." Even those who live in Brooklyn and disagree with you are dismissed as "only living there now."

BrooklynLove
June 11th, 2009, 09:56 PM
it's definitely not my view that anyone else's opinion is less meaningful than mine. i get too emotional about this topic.

ht-freak
June 13th, 2009, 12:48 PM
Any chance you can get on a train and do it for us?

I would if I didn't live on the west coast now.

TREPYE
June 14th, 2009, 11:47 PM
Heeeyy!! Why was Pig Vomit's name removed from the thread title??

TREPYE
June 20th, 2009, 02:32 PM
^ Im still waiting for an explanation. There was concensus on the improvement on this thread's title and it was removed by some mysterious Mod.

To the moderator who removed Pig Vomit's name from the threads title: show your avatar at once....with an explanation please.

ZippyTheChimp
June 20th, 2009, 03:06 PM
I'm not telling you who changed it (same mod changed it back), but I'm glad it was done.

Although I agree with the pig-vomit description, I don't think it belonged in the thread title.

kz1000ps
June 22nd, 2009, 08:54 PM
Trepye, come on... pig vomit or anything derogatory doesn't belong in thread titles.

Shots from the car were on Saturday, boat shots Sunday:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5951/img1472y.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3356/img1487gbu.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1302/img1492u.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6233/img1588q.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5204/img1600puh.jpg

BrooklynRider
June 22nd, 2009, 11:47 PM
Boy, for 2009, that sure is a crummy skyline.

ZippyTheChimp
June 22nd, 2009, 11:52 PM
For Trepye:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7461/111lawrence03c.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=111lawrence03c.jpg)

BrooklynRider
June 22nd, 2009, 11:59 PM
Is that the Gowanus Canal by Union Street Bridge?

BrooklynLove
June 23rd, 2009, 07:33 AM
Venice.

TREPYE
June 27th, 2009, 02:54 PM
For Trepye:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7461/111lawrence03c.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=111lawrence03c.jpg)

Vomit fountain from a distance..... :-/

And the title should be changed to pig vomit.....just look at the regurgitated nature of the materials....a putrid, puuutrid piece of architecture.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0018.jpg


But more importantly, the reason it does belong in the title is because when you Google 111 Lawrence Street the WNY thread appears third on the list and if by some chance this piece of shit developer (sorry, but could get myself to acronym) that erected this filth ever looks it up he must be made to understand what the public opinion of this filth that he put up is.....maybe it will discurage him from ever doing this again. God know I could not deal with another one of these "atrocious in quality" buildings. If you wanna gimme this "its not appropiate" rationale to post this in the title all I have to say is that there is nothing appropiate about this buildings apperanc (as the boros tallest not less!!) so all formalities should off.

ZippyTheChimp
June 27th, 2009, 05:12 PM
Get a grip.

stache
June 27th, 2009, 05:58 PM
On the bright side it doesn't look that bad from a distance, but I hold judgment as it is still unfinished.

ht-freak
June 27th, 2009, 09:21 PM
On the bright side it doesn't look that bad from a distance, but I hold judgment as it is still unfinished.
By "distance" you mean 50 miles through cracked binoculars, right?
I can see that. Somewhat like a kaleidoscope of crap.

stache
June 27th, 2009, 10:33 PM
No, like 12/15 blocks away.

scumonkey
June 27th, 2009, 10:55 PM
...without your glasses on ;)

BrooklynLove
June 28th, 2009, 07:15 AM
There is a full frontal view from Governor's Island - looks decent.

Tectonic
June 28th, 2009, 04:41 PM
https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713036.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713037.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713040.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713039.jpg

ht-freak
June 28th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Does anyone have a pic taken from an equidistant point between the Williamsburgh savings bank and the Brooklyner to compare heights?

philvia
June 28th, 2009, 11:08 PM
i hated it at first... but it isn't *that* bad as a whole. it's still ugly and cheap as hell... just not as bad as a lot of people make it

ZippyTheChimp
June 29th, 2009, 07:28 AM
"Ugly as hell" and "pig vomit" seem to be at the same level.

BrooklynLove
June 29th, 2009, 07:55 AM
Let's rename this building THE UNDER-PROMISE AND OVER-DELIVER.

scumonkey
June 29th, 2009, 11:18 AM
Don't you mean the Over promise and Under Deliver?

ZippyTheChimp
June 29th, 2009, 12:05 PM
Oveur

Unger

Dunn

RoldanTTLB
July 5th, 2009, 04:13 PM
Does anyone have a pic taken from an equidistant point between the Williamsburgh savings bank and the Brooklyner to compare heights?

Well, I don't normally post, but ask and ye shall receive.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlD3gXTLX2I/AAAAAAAACd8/SP9dq8F-kG0/s800/DSC01591.JPG

Tectonic
July 5th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Lovely, we appreciate that.

ht-freak
July 5th, 2009, 09:10 PM
Don't know how close to being exactly equidistant, but that sure is pretty close. Thanks.

RoldanTTLB
July 18th, 2009, 12:24 PM
Well, since this is the most aesthetically awesome [sic] development I've noticed in a while, I figured you'd all be interested:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmCMFeOCIbI/AAAAAAAAC7I/x5_1d9RCeuM/s800/DSC01823.JPG

Yes, the lovely Brown/Red/Tan metal panels are now alternating up the side of the building. Those four tiny windows in a row were over-rated anyway.

BrooklynLove
July 19th, 2009, 07:25 AM
This building really looms large over Fulton Mall. It's going to be quite the sight once 388 Bridge, Avalon Willy and CityPoint all join the party.

ap307
July 19th, 2009, 08:24 AM
This building really looms large over Fulton Mall. It's going to be quite the sight once 388 Bridge, Avalon Willy and CityPoint all join the party.

I thought the CityPoint project had been reconfigured to be most commercial buildings, with no skyscraper?

What do you think the realistic times to implementation are for all these projects? Seems like we won't see these built for another 2-4 years (if ever).

Tectonic
July 19th, 2009, 08:35 AM
This area has pretty good public transportation, 1,2,3 stops away from the financial district. These development are years late. I personally thing its a more feasible place for highrise developments than the Williamsburg waterfront.

BrooklynLove
July 19th, 2009, 05:54 PM
I thought the CityPoint project had been reconfigured to be most commercial buildings, with no skyscraper?

What do you think the realistic times to implementation are for all these projects? Seems like we won't see these built for another 2-4 years (if ever).

Mixed use tower is still planned. 2-4 years sounds right.

BrooklynLove
August 23rd, 2009, 07:01 PM
http://www.clarett.com/images/111_View.jpg


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Tectonic
September 19th, 2009, 01:46 AM
09.18.09
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stache
September 19th, 2009, 05:37 AM
Maybe they will plant some trees in the sidewalk to obscure this charmer.

ablarc
September 19th, 2009, 12:18 PM
https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713037.jpg
Is this how buses respect bicycle lanes?

Tectonic
September 19th, 2009, 05:26 PM
Buses are like big bullys sometimes...

antinimby
November 16th, 2009, 12:41 PM
The tallest building in the borough is NOT the ugliest!

The Brooklyn Paper

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Gerner Kronick + Valcarcel Architects
Looking up: The soon-to-be tallest
building in Brooklyn now has a name:
The Brooklyner. It’s a 516-foot rental
tower being developed by the Clarett
Group.

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Room at the top: The views from
the roof of the Brooklyner are
spectacular.

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Standing tall: Architect Rander
Gerner designed The Brooklyner,
the tallest building in the borough.


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The Brooklyn Paper / Kate Emerson
November 16, 2009 (http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/32/46/32_46_gk_the_brooklyner.html)

Standing tall: Construction workers haven’t even topped out on the tower at 111 Lawrence St. in Downtown — a building that will be the tallest in the borough.

Is the borough’s tallest building also its ugliest?

As much as I love the skyscraper, I have to admit that The Brooklyner, the narrow, 51-story on Lawrence Street in Downtown Brooklyn that is just a few inches taller than the Williamsburgh Savings Bank tower, had apparently earned both titles.

Unlike that stately Art Deco edifice, with its unique design elements, I couldn’t help but feel let down by The Brooklyner, which will house luxury studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom rentals.

A tour of the inside of the building was certainly delightful, thanks to the drop-dead views, floor-to-ceiling glass, full services, a pool table, and decks on the rooftop and fourth-floor decks. But all that opulence only made me feel that residents are the lucky ones because once they get inside, they don’t have to look at the outside of the building — a monolithic bit of pre-Glasnost coldness that catches the eye and then punishes it for stopping, ever so briefly, on its patchwork metal exterior.

Or so I thought!

I called the building’s architect to ask him what the hell he was thinking when he designed such a repulsive residence — but guess what? I was dead wrong. The Brooklyner is not ugly at all.

It’s beautiful.

“It’s a handsome building that relates nicely to the cityscape,” said its architect, Randy Gerner, a partner in the firm of Gerner Kronick and Valcarel. “If you look closely, you’ll notice that the building gets lighter in color as it rises from the street. It gives the sense that the sun is shining, like looking at a mountain from far away.”

I wasn’t fully convinced. So I asked about the patchwork of red and silver metal panels on the facade that resembled the exterior trim on a 1960s-era baseball stadium. Again, I had misjudged them.

“We did a pattern of different colors so that the facade would feel as if it was woven together,” Gerner said. “It’s a tall building, so if the entire facade was, say, brick, it would just look like a wall. I did not want to have a wall. And the woven texture reduces the bulk of the building” in a viewer’s mind.

Bulk was not my issue. This is Downtown Brooklyn — if you’re going to build, build big, I say. My issue with The Brooklyner is that my obviously untrained eye found it so boring.

Fortunately, Gerner set me straight again.

“We did not use common materials on the facade,” he said. “Some others new buildings nearby use common materials. But we wanted ours to not only stand out as a skyscraper, but relate to Brooklyn.”

He dismissed the critics, like Christopher Henrickson, who wrote on his blog, Architectural Lamentations, that the Brooklyner “is so boring and unoriginal that it would almost appear to have no architectural design at all. The massing is slab-like and is essentially devoid of any positive aesthetic character whatsoever.”

Clearly, Henrickson had never picked up the phone and let Randy Gerner explain it all to him.

But not me. I’m man enough to admit it when my opinion is just dead wrong. The Brooklyner is the tallest building in the borough, but it is definitely not the ugliest.

Gersh Kuntzman is the Editor of The Brooklyn Paper. E-mail Gersh at gkuntzman@cnglocal.com

©2009 Community Newspaper Group

TREPYE
November 16th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Boy, that is some kool-aid this chick took. Talk about a mental manipulation for the weak-minded; that is some top grade Jedi-Master handle on the part of the archtiect. Then again she couldnt have been much a of a challenge.

So lets forget our lying eyes and get an explanation before we draw a judgment on Pig-Vomit.

That is what architecture has degenerated into? you can only find a piece's true beauty, no, not by how it actually looks --imagine that-- but the explanation of how and why the materials were selected.

The materials could have come from the Holy Land and forged by God himself it does not change the fact that when I look at it I visuialize a fountain of the regurgitated contents of a swine's stomach shooting up onto the Brooklyn skyline.

Like the building itself the previous review is hogwash....

speedy1979
November 16th, 2009, 02:21 PM
Well you know what they say....."beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

It's too bad that the architect choose a design in which only he could perceive beauty.:(

scumonkey
November 16th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Boy, that is some kool-aid this chick took. Talk about a mental manipulation for the weak-minded; that is some top grade Jedi-Master handle on the part of the archtiect. Then again she couldnt have been much a of a challenge.

I doubt it -the article sounded more like sarcasm to me;)

BrooklynRider
November 16th, 2009, 07:53 PM
It's too bad that the architect choose a design in which only he could perceive beauty.:(

It's too bad the RFP for the project didn't have a question about the design architect being legally blind and suffering from delusions. That disclosure would have spared everyone.

Derek2k3
December 3rd, 2009, 11:20 PM
I believe this is the view from The Brooklyner.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2743/4124348216_2ac03f971c_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2613/4124293854_ff50637058_o.jpg
lucky dog (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lucky_dog/4124348216/sizes/o/in/pool-63919873@N00/)

TREPYE
December 3rd, 2009, 11:41 PM
This tower is in the typical abusive and grimey modernist spirit....offers fantastic views yet does not provide itself as anything to look look at.

BrooklynLove
December 5th, 2009, 09:51 AM
Downtown BK rising.

Brooklyn Tech is beautiful by the way. I'm obsessed with that building.

Derek2k3
December 5th, 2009, 05:18 PM
This has to be one of the ugliest skyscrapers ever built in the city.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4140450329_4495998030_b.jpg
mkapadia13 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41282578@N02/4140450329/)

Stroika
December 6th, 2009, 01:09 AM
I am driven to work hard and make money in the hope that I will one day be able to contribute to the removal of this building from the face of the earth.

BrooklynLove
December 6th, 2009, 08:55 AM
That's not a flattering perspective however the building looks way better from other vantage points.

This new addition isn't all that much better yet some people seem to have a hard on for it:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/DSCN0070.jpg
Go figure.

antinimby
December 6th, 2009, 10:08 AM
^ If you can't tell the difference between the Cassa and the Brooklyner, then there is something really wrong with your aesthetic senses. Of course I've always known your always pro-Brooklyn-ism affects your opinion on anything.


I am driven to work hard and make money in the hope that I will one day be able to contribute to the removal of this building from the face of the earth.You'd do more good by either going into politics or striving to become a planning commissioner for the city so that you can enact more policies that will influence more than just one project.

That's just my advice.

BrooklynLove
December 6th, 2009, 10:23 AM
I won't deny my Brooklyn bias. However, my point is to identify the bias many are taking concerning Casa, based on it's architect and it's midtown location. I never implied that the two buildings weren't different, my intent is to question the objectivity with which many here view the two buildings.

antinimby
December 6th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Huh?

Almost everyone here (besides you) are objective on a building's appearance.

I detect no bias for or against a borough among most other regulars here other than you.

Some like londonlawyer may dislike the Cassa for a particular reason (no tapering crown) but he almost never comes in these outerborough building threads much less be biased against them.

And you know, I hold no bias for or against Brooklyn. Unlike you, I care about every inch of the city from Pelham Bay in the Bronx to Tottenville Staten Island.

lofter1
December 6th, 2009, 12:59 PM
At least at Cassa they saw fit to clad all the exposed concrete ... something it seems the folks at 111 Lawrence don't plan to do.

BrooklynLove
December 6th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Huh?

Almost everyone here (besides you) are objective on a building's appearance.

I detect no bias for or against a borough among most other regulars here other than you.

Some like londonlawyer may dislike the Cassa for a particular reason (no tapering crown) but he almost never comes in these outerborough building threads much less be biased against them.

And you know, I hold no bias for or against Brooklyn. Unlike you, I care about every inch of the city from Pelham Bay in the Bronx to Tottenville Staten Island.

If you focused less on making every response to my posts about me and you instead of the discussion topic it would be a lot easier to have a discussion with you, and those discussions would be way more productive.

antinimby
December 6th, 2009, 02:25 PM
The focus was put on you only after you brought up the topic of other people's objectivity.

Need I have to point it out to you?

That's not a flattering perspective however the building looks way better from other vantage points.
This new addition isn't all that much better yet some people seem to have a hard on for it:
Go figure.


I won't deny my Brooklyn bias. However, my point is to identify the bias many are taking concerning Casa, based on it's architect and it's midtown location. I never implied that the two buildings weren't different, my intent is to question the objectivity with which many here view the two buildings.

If you would have left it as "oh X building is no better than Y building" then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead you had to take a hidden swipe at other people.

BrooklynLove
December 6th, 2009, 05:33 PM
For the love of God. You're so focused on yourself all the time that you don't even see it. My posts were generic. Your responses were about me, to which my response was again generic, and then your post about you. If you weren't so consistently focused on repairing your ego, maybe you'd respond to the substance of the post, and not the poster.



Almost everyone here (besides you) are objective on a building's appearance.

I detect no bias for or against a borough among most other regulars here other than you.

Some like londonlawyer may dislike the Cassa for a particular reason (no tapering crown) but he almost never comes in these outerborough building threads much less be biased against them.

And you know, I hold no bias for or against Brooklyn. Unlike you, I care about every inch of the city from Pelham Bay in the Bronx to Tottenville Staten Island.

Doesn't it seem odd to you how a generic post about objectivity turns into a speech by you about how I'm biased and you're not. No one said anything about you. Why do you feel the need to?

antinimby
December 6th, 2009, 06:34 PM
Some people are so dense that even when you try to explain it to them several times, they still don't get it.

There, that statement is also generic but somehow we all know who we are talking about. :rolleyes:

BrooklynLove
December 6th, 2009, 07:29 PM
Actually, some people are such egomaniacs that they don't get it.

BrooklynLove
December 14th, 2009, 09:51 PM
AN - if you really want a reason to hate this building a ton, take a look from street level across the street from it.

antinimby
December 14th, 2009, 10:01 PM
What makes you think I haven't?

stache
December 15th, 2009, 04:19 AM
Girls, you're both pretty! :rolleyes:

BrooklynLove
December 15th, 2009, 07:21 AM
What makes you think I haven't?

Because you haven't pointed it out and it's the strongest argument for the ugliness of this building. Maybe it's an issue of timing. When last did you view the base levels from across the street?