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pianoman11686
January 3rd, 2008, 07:32 PM
We've had several polls about our most hated, individual buildings in New York - and their architects. We've also developed, more informally, an understanding of the best and worst developers, as well as a rough theory about what constitutes "good development".

At this point in time, it seems there is a very general boom in construction across the city, touching almost every industry (residential, hotel, commercial, academic) and use (civic, private). It also seems that our dissatisfaction with new developments is often concentrated - towards one or two particular developers (e.g., Chang), architects (e.g., Kaufman and Kondylis), and specific uses (e.g., limited-service hotels and office buildings).

But what area of development do we think constitutes the most serious affront to New York's environment? In other words, what "use" produces the most ugly, damaging buildings?

I've compiled a short list of "uses;" vote for only one. They are broken down into categories that do not cover equal numbers of buildings. For example, residential and commercial buildings make up a far larger stock than do hotels or academia. So, use your discretion in voting: take into account quantity, and quality. If a particular use may have only a few large, very glaring examples of bad architecture, which damage both skyline and street-level, then it may outweigh another use that has many smaller, subpar structures. Or, if one use has several bad apples but equally as many architectural gems, then it may not be as damaging, overall, as a use that is plagued by mediocrity.

Also, take into account historical, current, and future construction, as well as destruction. And, if you're unsure how to classify a building, use your best intuition. For example, while the Bloomberg Tower is officially considered "mixed-use," it still has the body of an office building, and its main use is commercial.

Thanks for voting.

BrooklynRider
January 3rd, 2008, 11:25 PM
I offer as evidence Peter Poon and Gene Kaufman.

stache
January 3rd, 2008, 11:40 PM
but a very close second is NYU.

krulltime
January 4th, 2008, 03:30 AM
Hotels.

Wrightfan
January 4th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Not nearly as many hotels as condos, so due to the sheer volume alone of absolute crap condo construction everywhere, it is easily condos.

TREPYE
January 4th, 2008, 08:53 PM
As bad as some hotels are they are not as volumnous and tall as some residentials. Definitely residentials.
What groups of buildings bunch up as badly as BPC, W42nd, Riverside south, the cookie cutters of the far upper east side?

BrooklynLove
January 4th, 2008, 09:40 PM
red hook new construction. period.

pianoman11686
January 5th, 2008, 07:17 PM
A couple days into the voting, and we have a tie between Residential and Hotels. Balancing quality (or lack thereof) with quantity seems to be a major factor in the voting.

I will say this much: I'm very surprised that Commercial has gotten only one vote. I thought it was a widely-held opinion on this forum that the blockbuster office buildings of post-WW2 virtually destroyed the Lower Manhattan skyline. I also thought that, with the addition of several squat, awkward commercial highrises recently and in the near future, (Goldman, JPMorgan-Chase in Downtown; CIBC, Times Square towers, and perhaps Macklowe's Drake site in Midtown) there'd be more anti-commercial bias.

I'm also a little surprised that Government hasn't received a single vote yet. I guess it might be because I hadn't mentioned it earlier, but: federal, state, and city-financed public housing would fit under that wing.

stache
January 5th, 2008, 07:20 PM
I'm trying to figure out who doesn't like the garment district.

LeCom
January 6th, 2008, 01:30 AM
Kaufman.

BrooklynLove
January 6th, 2008, 09:15 AM
re macklowe, he may not be doing too much in the near term - check out this weekend's nyt biz section.

Skylimitone
January 12th, 2008, 03:02 PM
I was split between the generic condos from the like of Costas and the hotels, especially those around Times Square.

BPC
January 14th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Since visiting the New Museum of Contemporary Art last weekend, I had to put my vote with the final category.

lofter1
January 14th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Based on THIS (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209353&postcount=6), today I lay the blame on residential.

That ^ looks like some Cronenberg-ian nightmare you'd see in "Eastern Promises (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/eastern_promises/)"

:eek:

Fabrizio
January 14th, 2008, 02:30 PM
That is so sad.

The ugliest public housing is not as ugly as the ugliest private residentials.

It's just not.

stache
January 14th, 2008, 02:46 PM
The sad thing is this building could have been cute with a few minor changes.

Fabrizio
January 14th, 2008, 02:52 PM
Like making it out of gingerbread.

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This kind of goofy historical stuff was the rage in the 1910's to 1920's but there were good materials, proportion.

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BrooklynLove
January 14th, 2008, 09:15 PM
brace yourselves

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2006/09/no_takers_for_r.php

Fabrizio
January 15th, 2008, 09:19 AM
Lol