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Matysiak
January 7th, 2008, 04:36 PM
I`m not saying this is something wrong but I would like to know what is the reason of this situation.
I`ll give some examples:
Names for the food like "French fries" (this comes from Belgium and should be called just chips),"French Toast" (this is comes from Germany and should be called just egg bread),"French Vanilla" (just strong Vanilla Flavour).
Paris:The first thing on mind if it`s going about europe for american guy.

ZippyTheChimp
January 7th, 2008, 06:53 PM
Chinese Checkers

Chinese Apple

Chinese Handball

lofter1
January 7th, 2008, 10:16 PM
Welsh Rarebit

ZippyTheChimp
January 7th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Turkish Taffy

Fahzee
January 8th, 2008, 12:26 AM
Irish Coffee :)

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 05:29 AM
Indian Giver

ablarc
January 8th, 2008, 06:34 AM
French Kiss.

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 06:55 AM
English Muffin

ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Spanish Fly

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 07:59 AM
Turkey Stuffing

Capn_Birdseye
January 8th, 2008, 08:55 AM
Turkey (as in the bird)

English (as in the language)

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 09:06 AM
Siamese Twins,

with German Measles,

eat London Broil,

with Russian Dressing.


- Burma Shave

ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2008, 09:44 AM
Hold the Brussels Sprouts.

Capn_Birdseye
January 8th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Anyone seen a Welsh Dresser?

ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2008, 10:51 AM
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/100500/100719FKMJ_w.jpg

Matysiak
January 8th, 2008, 11:41 AM
"Irish coffe" is called like this also in Irleand and by the rest of the world and it`s really irish.

"Chinese checkers" - is known also like this in whole world.

"spanish fly" - the same situation as above.

I mean names for food as a french which have nothing in common with France.

What is your favourite country of europe?

ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Chinese checkers, Chinese apples, German measles, Spanish fly, etc, have nothing to do with the countries they were named after.

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 01:51 PM
And we hate to disappoint you: not even Moon Pies and Mars Bars.

Matysiak
January 8th, 2008, 05:10 PM
You still don`t understand.

"French Fries","French Vanilla" and "French Toast" exist only in USA,in england for example the same things are called:"Chips" , "Strong Vanilla" , "Egg Bread" and they (I think) use the same language as you.

ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2008, 05:14 PM
What are English Muffins called in the UK?

Capn_Birdseye
January 8th, 2008, 05:20 PM
What are English Muffins called in the UK?
Muffins, although I prefer toasted crumpets with butter.
What about scones & pikelets?

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Dear, in the US, t h e s e are chips:

http://www.foxtv.it/upload/2/chips_vintage_4930.jpg

( I guess in England they would be merely chaps.)


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ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2008, 05:27 PM
Scones are scones.

I had to look up pikelets.

Matysiak
January 8th, 2008, 05:30 PM
Hehe ok never mind.This is like when you ask germans why are they saying zony playzdazion not sony playstation ,ziga zaturn not sega saturn or whiitni ustyn not whitney houston.

But tell me what`s your favourite country of europe? ;)

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 05:33 PM
You must be a hit in Europe.

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Me? Favorite country in Europe?

I love the Vatican State. I can see the whole thing and still be home for lunch.

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BTW: you're not the first Pole we've had around here.

Matysiak
January 8th, 2008, 05:45 PM
" BTW: you're not the first Pole we've had around here"
so what?

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Do you prefer Belgian Waffles or Wheat Czechs?

Matysiak
January 8th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Me? Wheat Waffles.
But it`s easy to see that you prefer Belgian Czechs.

BTW:My favourite country of europe is France.I am on this forum because
I Love NYC.I started this thread cuz I wanted to know genesis of three
American names.My or Anybody nationality have nothing in common with this.

ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Let's untangle this.

Using the examples of things "French," your first post implies that there is a special admiration among Americans for things French.

Those things mean nothing. French fries just happen to be called that. In fact, it is usually spelled with lowercase french fries, or shortened to fries.

Especially outside of cities like New York, the French can have a negative stereotype, depending on the current political winds.

See Freedom Fries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries)
Very embarrassing.

During the 2004 US Presidential elections, the Democrat John Kerry was derided by some in the Republican Party as "looking too French."


Paris:The first thing on mind if it`s going about europe for american guy.Paris is popular because it's Paris, but the three top countries that US citizens visit are
the UK, Italy, and Spain.

Capn_Birdseye
January 9th, 2008, 04:31 AM
Scones are scones.
You wouldn't say that Zippy if had sampled a cream tea in Devon!

http://www.broadwayhouse.com/creamtea.html

If you want a good recipe:

http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/buttermilk-scones-with-west-country-clotted-cream-and-raspberry-butter,1394,RC.html

Matysiak
January 9th, 2008, 05:12 AM
Thank you Zippy. Great answer.

" Especially outside of cities like New York, the French can have a negative stereotype, depending on the current political winds.
See Freedom Fries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries)
Very embarrassing." - I`m shocked about this.

ZippyTheChimp
January 9th, 2008, 08:15 AM
You wouldn't say that Zippy if had sampled a cream tea in Devon!Hey Capn.

I meant scones are what we call scones.

Capn_Birdseye
January 9th, 2008, 09:23 AM
Hey Capn.

I meant scones are what we call scones.
Next time you visit England Zippy go down to Devon and have a Devon cream tea, absolutely wonderful experience, well recommended!

Luca
January 14th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Just so we all know. While thin-cut, deep-fried potatos are a specialty in Belgium, there is no sense in which they are uniquely Belgian or French. They are simply vrey popular in those two cuisines and more Americans associated them with France than with Wallonia, hence the name.

Chips in US = Crisps in UK
Fries in US = Chips in UK

traditionally speaking, 'Chips' should be thick-cut fired potatos.

Capn_Birdseye
January 14th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Chips in US = Crisps in UK
Fries in US = Chips in UK


I always find that confusing on my visits to the US.

ablarc
January 20th, 2008, 10:54 PM
^ If you think that's confusing, wait till you have to refer to the parts of your car.

ZippyTheChimp
January 20th, 2008, 11:02 PM
You can put a boot in the trunk, or a trunk in the boot.

Meerkat
January 20th, 2008, 11:19 PM
I'm sure plenty of people have made the mistake of using the slang term for cigarette (in UK : fag) when they are in the US.

Capn_Birdseye
January 21st, 2008, 05:46 AM
I'm sure plenty of people have made the mistake of using the slang term for cigarette (in UK : fag) when they are in the US.

Having a fag indoors is against the law. I usually see a lot of fag-lovers outside offices.

BenL
January 21st, 2008, 08:21 AM
Spanish omelette
French Horn/Cor Anglais
Cornish pasty

Luca
January 23rd, 2008, 08:37 AM
Spanish omelette
French Horn/Cor Anglais
Cornish pasty

Are the pasties NOT from Cornwall?

Oi'd dispwet thot!

:D

Meerkat
January 23rd, 2008, 10:08 AM
French letters....spanish flies (what are spanish flies exactly? I can't find any refernce to them).

Capn_Birdseye
January 23rd, 2008, 12:53 PM
One of my favourite vegetables is swede, another is French beans.

I also like Belgian buns and Danish pastries.

mariab
January 20th, 2014, 11:14 PM
Ahh the French.

Hollande’s Romances Turn Into a Political Spectacle in France

By ELAINE SCIOLINO (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/elaine_sciolino/index.html), ALISSA J. RUBIN (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/alissa_johannsen_rubin/index.html) and MAÏA de la BAUMEJAN. 20, 2014
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François Hollande’s love life is testing France’s tolerance. Thomas Samson/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images


PARIS — As a candidate for the French presidency in 2012, François Hollande promised to be more boring spouse than flamboyant seducer.
Determined to set himself apart from the man he was seeking to unseat — Nicolas Sarkozy, whose marriage to the former supermodel Carla Bruni had helped make him tabloid fodder — Mr. Hollande proclaimed, “I, president of the republic, will make sure that my behavior is exemplary at every moment.”
Twenty months into his presidency, Mr. Hollande’s campaign pledge is faring even less well than the unemployment-cursed French economy.

Caught in a clandestine affair that is more bedroom farce than Shakespearean drama — a beautiful actress, a scorned woman at home, surreptitious comings and goings on a most unpresidential scooter — Mr. Hollande is testing the limits of France’s tolerance for private indiscretion and leaving himself vulnerable to ridicule.
The episode has revealed a colder, more politically calculating side to Mr. Hollande, familiar to those around him but largely hidden from public view. His judgment, not least about his personal security, has been called into question.

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Julie Gayet Antonio de Moraes Barros Filho/WireImage


Already weighed down by historically low support in the polls, he also faces the challenge of keeping the affair from undercutting his ability to push through an ambitious new agenda aimed at restoring France’s fading global competitiveness and moving his Socialist Party to the center.

One big test could come next month, when he will travel to Washington for a state visit with President Obama. Mr. Hollande’s official partner, Valérie Trierweiler, was scheduled to accompany him in her role as de facto first lady, but now the visit seems likely to attract considerable attention for his eventual choice of, or lack of, a traveling companion.
“He’s always hated when politics turned into a spectacle, and now he finds himself right in the middle of one,” Julien Dray, a prominent Socialist, said in an interview. “The question is how he will handle it over the long term. If this becomes vaudeville, it could damage his presidency.”

Mr. Hollande, 59, has had little respite since a magazine, Closer, caught him meeting at an apartment around the corner from the Élysée Palace with Julie Gayet, a 41-year-old film actress who has played roles as varied as a Foreign Ministry official, a hairdresser and an addict, with nude scenes. The magazine published pictures of him arriving for his trysts on a scooter, wearing a helmet with the visor down, but apparently recognizable by his sensible black lace-up shoes.

Members of the French public at first took the revelations in their usual sexually sophisticated stride, but not Ms. Trierweiler. People who know her well said she was so devastated by the news that she checked herself into a hospital.
Mr. Hollande visited only once during her eight-day stay. Since leaving the hospital over the weekend (and thanking supporters via Twitter (https://twitter.com/valtrier/status/424623289869553664) for their good wishes), she has been resting at La Lanterne, the presidential getaway at Versailles. Paris Match, where Ms. Trierweiler has remained employed as a journalist even while serving as Mr. Hollande’s official consort, reported on its website (http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Societe/Valerie-Trierweiler-La-semaine-ou-sa-vie-a-bascule-544718) that the president had asked her for more time.

Mr. Hollande said Monday in a news conference in the Netherlands that Ms. Trierweiler was “getting better,” but he did not respond to the question of whether she was France’s first lady, according to reports by news services.
If he does leave her, it will be his second high-profile breakup in seven years, after the end of his 25-year relationship with Ségolène Royal, a Socialist Party presidential candidate in 2007 and the mother of their four children.

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Valérie Trierweiler Pool photo by Thomas Samson


Mr. Hollande’s personal drama was playing out over the past two weeks as he was making one of the most substantive decisions of his term so far, proposing to cut corporate taxes and reduce public spending (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/world/europe/french-leaders-policy-proposals-seek-centrist-path.html), moves that unnerved the left wing of his Socialist Party but also drew plaudits from the business world.
The confluence of the two story lines made Mr. Hollande, who had been caricatured as wobbly as a popular French custard, into a more complex figure.

To his supporters, this is the start of a new chapter for Mr. Hollande in which he is emerging as a more mature and pragmatic leader who may be freed from what had become a complicated relationship with Ms. Trierweiler.
They are banking on the assumption that what would be a media circus to an American president will be treated as a sideshow by the French, and that the story will die down.
“There is a new Hollande, more in harmony with himself,” said one of his close friends.

Much will depend on what happens in the coming weeks, especially whether Ms. Trierweiler speaks publicly. As Mr. Hollande toured his political constituency of Tulle in central France over the weekend, he was trailed by 90 reporters, almost all French. He declined to answer the few questions that were posed about his personal life.

But more than his predecessors in the pre-Twitter era, who could count on journalists to keep most private behavior by public officials out of the limelight, Mr. Hollande now finds himself operating in a climate of more intensive and intrusive scrutiny.
Perhaps more worrisome for him is that potentially his support among women could erode.
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Ségolène Royal Eric Piermont/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images


“This makes the French look like idiots,” said Arlette da Rocha, who runs the restaurant Le Pressoir in Tulle, where Mr. Hollande started his political career. “He has to tell the truth. This unconventional behavior in his private life doesn’t give a clean image of the president.”

Mr. Hollande long seems to have assumed that he could live by his own rules.
As leader of the Socialist Party, he campaigned for Ms. Royal when she ran for president in 2007. Both of them hid the fact that he had already left her for Ms. Trierweiler. French journalists who knew about the breakup did not write about it until Ms. Royal announced it after the election.
“He who has betrayed will betray,” Ms. Royal said afterward.

Mr. Hollande has never been the marrying kind — a rarity for high-ranking politicians, although not for many French couples. Not that Ms. Royal was unwilling to tie the knot. Asked about marriage in a joint television interview in 2006 during the prelude to her presidential campaign, she replied mischievously: “We love each other, so I’m expecting him to propose. François, do you want to marry me?”
Mr. Hollande chuckled, awkwardly, and said nothing.
“You see — he still hesitates!” Ms. Royal said.
“No, this is not what I mean,” Mr. Hollande said. “I’ll answer you after the program.”

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A television in a Paris bar shows President Hollande at a news conference. He faces the task of preventing his affair from undermining his economic goals. Yoan Valat/European Pressphoto
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Apparently his answer was no.
Mr. Hollande never married Ms. Trierweiler, even though he described her in an interview with Gala magazine in October 2010 as “the woman of my life.” By the following February, he had curbed his enthusiasm. “The sentence was maladroit,” he said. “I should have said, ‘She is the woman of my life today.’ ”

Not only did he not marry Ms. Trierweiler when he became president, he also agreed that she could keep working for Paris Match, although she stopped covering politics. Mr. Hollande and his aides depicted it as an example of a modern partnership rather than a conflict of interest. She was installed as the de facto first lady with offices in the east wing of the Élysée Palace, a staff of four and a monthly budget of about $27,000.

Early in his presidency, he wanted the freedom to move in and out of the Élysée Palace as he pleased. In “So Far, Everything’s Going Badly,” a new book on the Hollande presidency, the author, Cécile Amar, said that shortly after Mr. Hollande was elected, he asked members of the Élysée staff, “How do I get out without people seeing me?”
Concerned that he might try to escape the Élysée on his motor scooter, his aides sold it, Ms. Amar wrote.

He took the high-speed train to a European summit meeting in Brussels against the wishes of his security staff, and insisted on living mostly in the apartment he shares with Ms. Trierweiler — with large exposed bay windows — which had to be secured.
He quickly made some concessions: He stopped taking trains and abandoned his pledge that his motorcade would stop at red lights like ordinary motorists (an obvious security risk).

But he still believes he knows best about his security. “I go around when and where I want as I want,” he said at his news conference last week.
Interviews with more than a dozen friends and political colleagues suggest that Mr. Hollande often deflects deeper questions about his character.

People describe him as having a good sense of humor, being a good listener and making shrewd political judgments. But these traits alone do not fully capture him.
Mr. Hollande once confessed his unwillingness or inability to reveal himself. “You ask me who I am,” he said in a news conference last May, replying to a narrow question about his political ideology in broader terms. “That’s a terrible question.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/21/world/europe/hollandes-romances-turn-into-a-political-spectacle-in-france.html?hp&_r=0