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luciedove
January 26th, 2008, 03:57 PM
As you are aware pigeons are very much in the news, not only in New York City, but worldwide. What better time than to declare June 13th National Pigeon Day commemorating the death of Cher Ami (meaning Dear Friend in French).

His story can be found on the following link:

http://www.homeofheroes.com/wings/part1/3b_cherami.html (http://www.homeofheroes.com/wings/part1/3b_cherami.html)


Pigeons heroically fought for our country during wars and were used by people as messengers, saving many human lives.

Cher Ami died of his multiple war wounds on June 13, 1919--less than a year after he had completed his service to the United States Army Signal Corps. Upon his death a taxidermist preserved the small pigeon for future generations, a bird with a story that became an inspiration to millions over the years.

On this special day, students in schools across the United States will commemorate this day by learning of the significant role pigeons played in the history of the World. This can appropriately tie in with New York State's Humane Education Law, enacted in 1947 that is not being complied with in our school system, which requires instruction in the humane care and treatment of animals. The law is not been enforced, and few educators know of its existence.

In September 2006, New York City Council Member Tony Avella introduced a resolution urging the New York City Department of Education to help schools comply with New York State's Humane Education Law by issuing a memo to all public schools in the city.

We respectfully request that June 13th be declared National Pigeon Day in honor of pigeons who are war heroes.

Anna Dove
Founder
New York Bird Club
http://www.manhattanbirdclub.com

Fabrizio
January 26th, 2008, 05:44 PM
So you can actually say, "Hello, my name is Anna Dove... and I'm the founder of the New York Bird Club..."

Now that is pretty cool.

Capn_Birdseye
January 26th, 2008, 05:54 PM
When I read the topic title I thought we were going to discuss the different ways of eating pigeon! I love pigeon pie!
Having read luciedove's posting I had better back off talking about pigeons, otherwise known as flying rats!

Fabrizio
January 26th, 2008, 05:59 PM
I was wondering that too... would eating a nice pigeon risotto on National Pigeon Day, be respectful or disrespectful?

I mean, one could eat quail on National Pigeon Day, but it might seem spiteful.

ZippyTheChimp
January 26th, 2008, 06:44 PM
We respectfully request that June 13th be declared National Pigeon Day in honor of pigeons who are war heroes.
We should also have a National Jackass Day

http://kelticklankirk.com/us_army_world_war_2_pack_mule_1.jpg

lofter1
January 26th, 2008, 07:54 PM
June 13th: Lock Up the Pelicans Day

ZippyTheChimp
January 26th, 2008, 10:11 PM
Mmmmm. Pigeon risotto.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/160/1937482.png

Meerkat
January 27th, 2008, 05:05 AM
Pigeon pie.

Preparation time 30 mins to 1 hour
Cooking time 1 to 2 hours

Ingredients
4-5 pigeons, drawn
salt and pepper
250g/8oz stewing beef
250g/8oz shortcrust pastry
beaten egg to glaze
2 tsp cornflour
300ml/10fl oz stock


Method
1. preheat the oven to 180C/350F/Gas 4.
2. Joint the birds into two breast joints and two leg joints each and stew the rest of the carcass in a little water to make stock for the gravy.
3. Cut the beef into small pieces and line a deep 20cm/8in pie dish with these.
4. Lay the pigeon joints on top, cover with water, add salt and pepper, then cover the pie dish with greased paper or aluminium foil. Place in the oven and simmer for 1½ hours.
5. Remove from the oven and raise oven temperature to 200C/400F/Gas 6.
6. Cover the pie with the shortcrust pastry, brush the top with beaten egg, put back into the oven and bake until the pastry is golden brown.
7. Make a gravy by mixing 10g/2tsp cornflour with a little cold water and add to 300ml/10fl oz of the warmed stock. Allow to thicken while stirring, season and serve with the pie.

Capn_Birdseye
January 27th, 2008, 08:12 AM
Now that sounds like a good recipe to me Meerkat!

The only good pigeon is a dead pigeon - get out and do as Tom suggests:

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY

ZippyTheChimp
January 27th, 2008, 08:14 AM
To draw: Disembowel; remove the entrails.

Meerkat, you're a butcher.

Meerkat
January 27th, 2008, 09:00 AM
http://petcaretips.net/bird_book.jpg

Capn_Birdseye
January 27th, 2008, 12:27 PM
Marksman called in to kill Kingston’s pigeons - Surrey Comet newspaper

http://images.newsquest.co.uk/image.php?id=346636&type=full

Kingston's pigeons are due to be culled

A specialist marksman will carry out a "humane cull" of pigeons in the Memorial Gardens, Kingston's Town Centre Management announced this week.

The cull will be done by a private pest control contractor from Cobham as part of a three-year programme to reduce Kingston's pigeon population.
Graham McNally, town centre manager, said it had considered other ways of culling before deciding on shooting. He said: "At this moment in time, a specialist marksman will be used to shoot the pigeons. I can definitely say there will be no gassing and no poisoning. The cull will be carried out discreetly."

Mr McNally could not confirm when precisely the cull would begin, but it is expected in the next month.

Police permission has been obtained for the shoot, which will be carried out in the early hours of the morning. The programme will cost nearly £14,000, with half of that allocated for the first year alone.

Mr McNally said: "We are also working on removing their food and stopping those who foolishly feed the pigeons."

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The Surrey Comet (http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/) would like to thank all of our visitors who left comments on this story.
Many comments were obviously heartfelt and others humorous and the issue has clearly sparked a lot of interest - but the debate has now been closed. You can read some of the comments below.

Posted by Christobel Young on 1:08pm 24 Nov 07
The pigeons are part of Kingston - they harm no one. The council wastes so much of our our taxes with inefficient paving works that are being carried out in the town - which is unsafe - and I can vouch for that as I caught my toe in the pavement and fell over. It has taken ages to get better. What terrible action is to be taken when there are so many things that could be done to improve things for the town.

Posted by Martin Wildoat on 10:56am 29 Nov 07
I agree with this action. Pigeons carry all manner of diseases like AIDS, malaria, rabies and mad cow disease to name but a few. They are also very aggressive and I can vouch for this as I was attacked by a flock and pecked severely while on my way home from flower arranging classes. In fact I would be more than happy to help in the killing of these evil creatures. Well done Kingston council keep up the good work.

Posted by: Stephanie Baxendale on 8:03pm 29 Nov 07
Why not just round these flying rats up in a big net? Surely the council could find some practical use, for example setting up a tasty pigeon pie stall in the centre of town. I for one would be grateful to see these horrific beasts removed from the Royal borough altogether! They are a nuisance, and also the flying wizards of Satan. There, I've said it.

Posted by: Mr Dallinger on 9:57pm 29 Nov 07
I think the correct solution would be to hack the wings off as many pigeons as possible before joining them together to create one large wing. This could be wafted at the pigeons by any member of the townsfolk when numbers got too high. Children could also shelter under it at times of heavy rain or possibly loud thunder.

Man attacked by gang of hungry feral pigeons

lofter1
January 27th, 2008, 12:42 PM
Seems a Pigeon Poll would be pointless here :cool:

Meerkat
January 27th, 2008, 01:20 PM
http://www.hawkforce.co.uk/img/scans/tottenham-newspaper.jpg

A hero of our time!

ZippyTheChimp
January 27th, 2008, 01:26 PM
I wonder what's the NY Bird Club's position on owls.

Are they the anti-heroes, the Nazis?

BrooklynRider
January 27th, 2008, 02:47 PM
They are the Luftwaffe. The blitzkrieg of Birdom.

Capn_Birdseye
January 28th, 2008, 07:07 AM
What about the Golden Eagle, a magnificent bird of prey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAsXtDKdU0Q

Fabrizio
January 28th, 2008, 08:58 AM
Anna, we're busy organizing things for National Pigeon Day. We've come up with a theme song that we feel is fitting. Please let us know :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY&feature=related

Meerkat
January 28th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Anyone remember this?

http://photoshopcontest.com/images/large/27ewfb4ixnjvoc8ildxroavsxv0ti3hxb154.jpg

Ninjahedge
January 29th, 2008, 08:53 AM
Where's Mutley?

NYatKNIGHT
January 29th, 2008, 10:39 AM
Drat, and double drat!

bdownbrown
January 30th, 2008, 04:25 PM
I once saw a rat drag a homeless person off the street. That's worthy of something isn't it? Maybe rats should have their day too.

Capn_Birdseye
January 31st, 2008, 05:01 AM
I once saw a rat drag a homeless person off the street. That's worthy of something isn't it? Maybe rats should have their day too.
Isn't a rat entitled to its day in the sun?
World rat Day - 4 April 2008
http://www.worldratday.com/WhatIs.html

There is a National Rat Catchers Day on 22 July.

luciedove
February 1st, 2008, 06:33 PM
You are all disgusting!:eek:

Please see our blog:

People for Pigeons (http://www.peopleforpigeons.com).

Capn_Birdseye
February 2nd, 2008, 01:55 PM
Lucie, the most disgusting birds, or flying rats, as I prefer to call them, are pigeons. To my mind they should all be exterminated. Bring on the hawks and eagles I say, plus some shooters!
The only good pigeon is a dead pigeon, I wouldn't even eat one in a pie!

Meerkat
February 2nd, 2008, 03:11 PM
So for national pigeon day: we've got a theme song, we've got a menu, any ideas for activities?

Here's my suggestion:


http://bp2.blogger.com/_YSccHm9eT_4/R11FRaRWCpI/AAAAAAAAAOc/GP9ibG-moNQ/S300/20071205_inq_spigeon05z-a.jpghttp://www.safesport.co.uk/images/444.jpg

Capn_Birdseye
February 2nd, 2008, 03:46 PM
Good idea Meerkat!

Ninjahedge
February 4th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Lucie.

What do you think of sparrows? Finches? Blubirds? Robins? Any other birds you like?

Pidgeons DOMINATE any cityscape due to the environment provided. It is their Utopia where their own natural predators are kept driving along laned roads and try to avoid getting them stuck in their treads.

All others are just not HERE anymore. Cats, wolves (maybe), Hawks, eagles. Does not matter, they can't survive here.

Pidgeons are fine in small BALANCED numbers. When they are so proliferant that they pose anot only an aesthetic hazard, but a health and structural hazard, somethnig has to be done to balance them out.

BTW, most of the people I see feeding them seem to be ones that are either lonely or have a great need for some feeling of being needed. The sad part is that these birds do not care who throws the bread crumbs and would probably survive just fine without them.

But there is a great boost to ego seeing a bunch of critters come to YOU to be fed. I see it with Bird ladies, Cat ladies and a lot of others (ladies not the governing factor, either).

I think, when you see a person feeding these birds, instead of looking at them like they are somehow helping critters less fortunate, or being nature minded, that MOST of them are simply looking for something to help fill their day and their life. They want attension. They want to be needed.

Maybe we should focus more on providing these people what they need rather than giving pidgeons the pill.

Ninjahedge
February 4th, 2008, 05:16 PM
I asked Lucie that earlier, but I'm glad you listed specific birds.:)

Re:

I know! Why do you think I did it! ;)

Meerkat
February 6th, 2008, 09:50 PM
Looks like we've offended luciedove with our pigeon bating posts.

Sorry Lucie, don't be offended - i love pigeons really.

Especially roasted Pigeon skewers.

Capn_Birdseye
February 7th, 2008, 08:52 AM
Sorry Lucie, don't be offended - I loathe pigeons really.

But all you pigeon lovers, here's a treat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bFGfIAJRvo

voodoochild
February 7th, 2008, 06:52 PM
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii263/amberleydenzel/thduif6ab8aw.gif

lofter1
February 7th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Now that ^ is funny ;)

Capn_Birdseye
February 8th, 2008, 04:57 AM
:):) excellent!

luciedove
February 15th, 2008, 02:09 PM
How would you guys like to help celebrate National Pigeon Day on Friday, June 13th. Yes, it falls on a Friday on the 13th Day....I wonder if this is any significance. If you have any ideas, it would be great. Maybe a parade, or invite Councilman Felder to a round table discussion about these sacred birds. We can film the entire event and put it on YouTube.

As to the person who asked about pigeons scaring small birds in her backyard, it never happens. Pigeons scare no one since they are harmless and benign. I observe pigeons and sparrows everyday and they get along just fine, sharing the food.

So come on out on Friday the 13th for that discussion and bring the councilman along.

Please say yea or nay.

Fabrizio
February 15th, 2008, 02:23 PM
nah!

voodoochild
February 15th, 2008, 02:29 PM
How would you guys like to help celebrate National Pigeon Day on Friday, June 13th. Yes, it falls on a Friday on the 13th Day....I wonder if this is any significance. If you have any ideas, it would be great. Maybe a parade, or invite Councilman Felder to a round table discussion about these sacred birds. We can film the entire event and put it on YouTube.

As to the person who asked about pigeons scaring small birds in her backyard, it never happens. Pigeons scare no one since they are harmless and benign. I observe pigeons and sparrows everyday and they get along just fine, sharing the food.

So come on out on Friday the 13th for that discussion and bring the councilman along.

Please say yea or nay.
HUH?:confused:
Ummm..my boyfriend is TERRIFIED of pigeons and any other birds. Let's do something fun to him on that day..lol

ZippyTheChimp
February 15th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Tie him to a chair in front of the TV, and rent this movie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18w4mMmZlyY)

Instead of popcorn, serve sunflower seeds.

voodoochild
February 15th, 2008, 03:10 PM
^That right there^...is craaaaaazy. What a weird movie. I'm emailing him that link right now. yay.

luciedove
February 16th, 2008, 03:08 PM
This isn't giving your website good publicity.....you animal haters.

This is a site about hate. What a joke to be so intimidated of a small bird, and what do you weight, about 300 pounds. You are ridiculous and you are worthless and I have no respect for you or your site, which you use to promote hate to small birds.

I hope you choose not to breed yourselves since I would not want any of your offspring in this world. Your family should be at the end of the rifle. Oh, my god. ah!!!!:eek: oh!:eek:

lofter1
February 16th, 2008, 04:52 PM
Oooh Ducie Love, you're mean ...




... what do you weight, about 300 pounds.


:(

That ^ is low.




you are worthless ...


ouch! and sooo personal.

Looks like someone wants to go to the banning cage :cool:




I have no respect for you or your site ...


And not much for yourself either, eh?

Silly me -- I thought you were a lover ...




Your family should be at the end of the rifle.


:eek:

lofter1
February 16th, 2008, 04:54 PM
btw, looneydove (you lover of all things pigeon) ...

There's a big pile of pigeon poop on my window ledge.

Wanna come over for brunch?

ZippyTheChimp
February 16th, 2008, 05:34 PM
Looks like someone wants to go to the banning cage :cool:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~tancook/photos/pigeon2.jpg

What's down the road Lucie, if you don't chill out. I suggest spending more quality time with non avian species.

Capn_Birdseye
February 16th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Hi Lucie, you might be interested in the following;http://www.pigeonwatch.co.uk/

May I recommend the pigeon recipe page, there are some delicious & creative ideas there. Must rush, have got a pigeon roasting in the oven ....

voodoochild
February 18th, 2008, 10:28 AM
This isn't giving your website good publicity.....you animal haters.

This is a site about hate. What a joke to be so intimidated of a small bird, and what do you weight, about 300 pounds. You are ridiculous and you are worthless and I have no respect for you or your site, which you use to promote hate to small birds.

I hope you choose not to breed yourselves since I would not want any of your offspring in this world. Your family should be at the end of the rifle. Oh, my god. ah!!!!:eek: oh!:eek:

Holy bejesus!hat the hell happened to this thread????? I guess she wouldn't want to hear my views on terrorists if she gets so angry over our jokes on pigeions. hhmmmph!:eek:

Ninjahedge
February 19th, 2008, 09:34 AM
This isn't giving your website good publicity.....you animal haters.

I am sure the advertisers on this site will think twice about... wait a sec, this site does not HAVE any ads!!!


And, BTW, we don't hate ALL animals. Just vermin. ;)


This is a site about hate. What a joke to be so intimidated of a small bird, and what do you weight, about 300 pounds.

Hehehe, is that supposed to hurt? They are PIGEONS! They push other species out and do very little to help anything. We, as a society, are not advocating genocide, but we are in favor of controlling the population to the point where they are a PART of the city and not its dominating factor.


You are ridiculous and you are worthless and I have no respect for you or your site, which you use to promote hate to small birds.

You obviously do not read. Remember the part I was talking about finches, sparrows, blue jays, robins, cardinals and other birds? Last time I checked, they were "small". Smaller, in fact, than Pigeons!

Your comment serves as a mirror. Heed your own words and realize what kind of small minded person you are.


I hope you choose not to breed yourselves since I would not want any of your offspring in this world. Your family should be at the end of the rifle. Oh, my god. ah!!!!:eek: oh!:eek:

OMG, you are mature! You are actually wishing DEATH on people that do not like pigeons and are joking about it.

You are not funny and should seriously seek psychological help. Threatening the death of another over something as MINUSCULE as this is a sure sign of something wrong.

Get help.

lofter1
February 19th, 2008, 10:29 AM
We, as a society, are not advocating genocide ...

Correct.

Only pige-ocide :cool:




Your comment serves as a mirror. Heed your own words and realize what kind of small minded person you are.

Pigeon-brained?

:confused:

ZippyTheChimp
February 19th, 2008, 11:18 AM
Now now. Let's ease up on Lucie. It's tough being a flightless bird...unless

http://www.waynebesen.com/Big%20Bird.jpg

voodoochild
February 19th, 2008, 12:01 PM
^aahahahahahahahahahah^

Ninjahedge
February 19th, 2008, 12:28 PM
Correct.

Only pige-ocide :cool:

I could not think of the word meaning the gross termination of a selected species. I know Genocide has the human appelation, but what-ev-ah.



Pigeon-brained?

:confused:

Bird Brained and Pigeon Prone maybe.

Capn_Birdseye
February 20th, 2008, 04:41 AM
Perhaps being pigeon-toed will become fashionable.

ZippyTheChimp
February 20th, 2008, 09:22 AM
If Lucie is still here, I think Lucie's flown the coop.

Capn_Birdseye
February 20th, 2008, 09:25 AM
I guess some of you ruffled her feathers ...

Ninjahedge
February 20th, 2008, 10:30 AM
Are you saying she is in the sky?































With diamonds?

Capn_Birdseye
February 20th, 2008, 02:22 PM
Good to see Ford are playing their part in eliminating the pigeon scourge!

http://www.killsometime.com/video/video.asp?ID=123

lofter1
February 20th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Now that ^ is some "smart" technology ;)

voodoochild
February 22nd, 2008, 07:59 PM
Okay....here ya go. Don't say I never did you any favors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9-2vSwfQ8w

Let the games begin!!!!!!

Meerkat
February 26th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Looks like we have a new method for culling pigeons in London:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6083468.stm

Families and tourists in a London park were left shocked when a pelican picked up and swallowed a pigeon.
The unusual wildlife spectacle in St James's Park was caught on camera by photographer Cathal McNaughton.

He said the Eastern White pelican had the unfortunate pigeon in its beak for more than 20 minutes before swallowing it whole.
An RSPB spokesman said: "It is almost unheard of for a pelican to eat a bird. Their diet should be strictly fish." Mr McNaughton, from the Press Association, said: "The pelican was on the towpath preening itself, and there were a lot of tourists watching it.

"Then the bird got up and strolled along until it reached one of the pigeons, which it just grabbed in its beak.
"There was a bit of a struggle for about 20 minutes, with all these people watching. The pelican only opened its mouth a couple of times.
"Then it managed to get the pigeon to go head first down its throat. It was kicking and flapping the whole way down."
There are currently five pelicans living near Duck Island in St James's Park - four Eastern Whites and one Louisiana Brown. Pelicans were introduced into the park during King Charles II's reign as a gift from the Russian ambassador.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42366000/jpg/_42366895_pelican_pa_416.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/53360396_1ad43bf580.jpg

voodoochild
February 26th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Oh great, now she's gonna have a death wish out for pelicans too.:(

Meerkat
March 1st, 2008, 10:29 AM
you animal haters.



Now thats a sweeping generalisation.

Just because Pigeons are considered vermin by most people we're accused of being animal haters.

I save my sympathy for endangered species, not birds that breed, breed, breed - since this discussion began i've been watching them more closely, and its all they seem to do (not that i'm jealous of course....)

Have a look here http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/jblincow/endanger/endt5.htm

or here http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/2408/endangered.html

Far more worthy causes.


BTW loved the car advert - they should have added the song 'Another one bits the dust' by Queen.

luciedove
March 12th, 2008, 11:02 AM
I had tried to post several weeks ago, and was banned. I guess it was the implied death threat.....I write many times without thinking. But I really am angered about the way pigeons are treated in society. Maybe you guys are having your fun, but you are causing pigeons to be killed in painful ways with Avitrol, people smashing them in garbage bags and flinging them in the air.

If you agree with any living creature being treated in such a way, I would not post here anymore and you can ban me.

Pigeons, or anything alive, does not deserve this kind of cruel and inhumane treatment.

Ninjahedge
March 12th, 2008, 11:09 AM
LD, most of the comments are facetious and sarcastic. I could not see ANY of the people on this forum physically killing these animals.

I HATE these animals. HATE them! But I have yet to even keep my car going in a strait line as one walks in front of me. Yes, I swerve.

I do not need food, and they are not a direct and immediate thread to my livelihood, so therefore I have no reason to kill them.

However, birth control so that they are no longer the fat, unkempt, SUV driving equivalent rulers of the avian kingdom in NYC is 200% favorable in my opinion.

ZippyTheChimp
March 12th, 2008, 11:14 AM
I had tried to post several weeks ago, and was banned.You were not banned, or blocked from posting - in spite of your blanket characterization of everyone here as animal haters.

The impression I get of you is someone who thinks...

if 1 million pigeons is a good thing, then 10 million pigeons is 10 times better.

voodoochild
March 12th, 2008, 01:52 PM
I had tried to post several weeks ago, and was banned. I guess it was the implied death threat.....I write many times without thinking. But I really am angered about the way pigeons are treated in society. Maybe you guys are having your fun, but you are causing pigeons to be killed in painful ways with Avitrol, people smashing them in garbage bags and flinging them in the air.

If you agree with any living creature being treated in such a way, I would not post here anymore and you can ban me.

Pigeons, or anything alive, does not deserve this kind of cruel and inhumane treatment.

I don't know if it's just me LD but...you say we are cruel for making innocent jokes about pigeons(saying they should be killed) yet you can give DEATH THREATS to HUMANS????? Hmmmmmmmmm. So in your eyes, pigeons are more sacred than human life?:confused:

Ninjahedge
March 12th, 2008, 02:21 PM
Hey guys, my fault for transcribing her WISH for our offsprings deaths at the end of a rifle into an actual threat.

She did not, literally, theraten any of us. She just wished all of the 300 pound pidgeon pundits and punsters to remain fruitless and expire from the face of the earth.

That's all!


I mean, it is not like she was plucking chest hairs or anything!!!! ;)

Meerkat
March 12th, 2008, 09:17 PM
I could not see ANY of the people on this forum physically killing these animals.



Speak for yourself!

I've spent many a happy Sunday afternoon roaming the streets and parks with my baseball bat looking for Pigeons to exterminate.

A wonderful way to get rid of stress:)

Ninjahedge
March 13th, 2008, 09:35 AM
Speak for yourself!

I've spent many a happy Sunday afternoon roaming the streets and parks with my baseball bat looking for Pigeons to exterminate.

A wonderful way to get rid of stress:)

See what I am saying?

She says she does, but we all know it is very difficult to hit a pidgeon (correctly) with a baseball bat!

You really need a 7-iron.

voodoochild
March 13th, 2008, 12:16 PM
^You have it ALL wrong...if you really want to clobber a pigeon, throwing a rock at it's head will do the trick.^ That is, if you do not happen to have a baseball bat or 7 iron handy.:D

luciedove
March 13th, 2008, 01:51 PM
I don't know if it's just me LD but...you say we are cruel for making innocent jokes about pigeons(saying they should be killed) yet you can give DEATH THREATS to HUMANS????? Hmmmmmmmmm. So in your eyes, pigeons are more sacred than human life?:confused:

People are in a position to protect themselves. Not only are they physically strong, there are resources for them to turn to -- 911, human rights organizations, other people coming to their aid, hospitals, etc, etc.

How can a pigeon defend himself? He has absolutely no way. He can never harm anyone, even if he was so inclined. It is an unfair fight in every way. Who will defend the underdog? He has so many enemies, yet he trusts....he will come and land gently on your hand for a morsel of food.

I will not stand by and do nothing to protect the innocent from being treated with extreme cruelty, not to mention disrespect and being taunted and ridiculed. The average human weights about 200 lbs and a pigeon a few ounces. What kind of fight is this? It is for cowards and wimps, and that is what people are who fight pigeons. If you are so inclined to fight, pick on someone your own size who can fight back.

ZippyTheChimp
March 13th, 2008, 04:52 PM
http://www.maddogmedia.com/chimp.gif

Ninjahedge
March 13th, 2008, 05:04 PM
People are in a position to protect themselves. Not only are they physically strong, there are resources for them to turn to -- 911, human rights organizations, other people coming to their aid, hospitals, etc, etc.

Starting off on the wrong foot right out of the gate. I can make a death threat to a pidgeon and not make it feel scared to fly home at night. PLEASE do not try to directly associate this in human terms. So many things do not fit when you try to do so.


How can a pigeon defend himself? He has absolutely no way.

He can FLY. Last time I checked, I couldn't.


He can never harm anyone, even if he was so inclined.

If you mean he cannot physically attack someone and demand his wallet, you are probably right. But we are not saynig that, and you bringing the discussion to this is more than a bit silly.


It is an unfair fight in every way. Who will defend the underdog? He has so many enemies, yet he trusts....he will come and land gently on your hand for a morsel of food.

Oh come ON now! You are making "him" sound like a disney character! He is a critter that feeds off of the stuff we leave behind. He does not "trust" you in the same way that we trust people, so stop anthropomorphising them into something they are not!

They are not getting in a fistfight, and we are not saying they are. Most of our suggestions are deliberately exaggerated for purposes of comic effect. "Defend the underdog"? We are not asking for global erradication of the little featherbags, you need to really get a grip!


I will not stand by and do nothing to protect the innocent from being treated with extreme cruelty, not to mention disrespect and being taunted and ridiculed.

Like I said, do you see any pidgeons walking in the streets crying to themselves because someone jested about them online? No. You are turning them into something more than what they are. You are also hoping death and or misfortune on HUMANS that are just joking about them. Your value system is seriously skewed.

You did not ask us politely, you came at us as if we were physically assaulting these birds in front of you and you fely it was you God given duty to "defend" them. Simply asking nicely usually works better than coming out saying "OH MY GOD!!!".


The average human weights about 200 lbs I thought you said 300? BTW, the average is not 200. I do nto know where you got that from. AAMOF, the average HEALTHY human is somewhere around 120-140 for women and 160-180 for men.


and a pigeon a few ounces.

They are about a half pound. Are you measuring worth by weight? Are they gold?


What kind of fight is this?

It is one that you seem to want to have, not even realizing that there is no real fight happening. Again, get a clue.


It is for cowards and wimps, and that is what people are who fight pigeons.

Are you trying to be funny, because that was pretty humorous. If pidgeons are so insignificant, sometimes it is the people that fight FOR them that are the wimps looking for approval from something they can, without question, consider themselves superior to.

I am sorry to say, but most people I find that are most attached to these birds do not have many other things in their lives that they feel for that are truly important. They need to feel like they are needed by something, that they have the power to "help" something, even if that something really does not need them any more than a careless garbage collection.

reading your posts Lucie, I can see that there are some things in your life that you really need to look at carefully and get some help with. If you are so willing to attack a group of relatively well meaning strangers over a bout of pidgeon jokes, you are putting WAY too much importance on the bird and it will only serve to alienate you from many of the other people that surround you day to day.


If you are so inclined to fight, pick on someone your own size who can fight back.

Are you saying you are 300 pounds? ;)

Again, seriously. Get help. You have taken this WAY too far and should seek counceling. :(

ZippyTheChimp
March 13th, 2008, 06:43 PM
I liked my answer better.

Meerkat
March 13th, 2008, 07:33 PM
http://www.maddogmedia.com/chimp.gif


Hmmm. This reminds me of another member, who's name i seem to have forgotten..... (he's a big fan of London...)


Lucie, if you are going to fight for animal rights, at least pick a species that may get some sympathy - why do you defend Pigeons with such vigour? Pigeons are common everywhere, and considered a pest by most people, (and a complete pain in the arse if you have a car)


I have very strong feelings about animal rights - here is a list of critically endangered species - animals on the edge of extinction; most of them probably won't be around for much longer - why not take up their cause? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critically_endangered_species

Meerkat
March 14th, 2008, 01:31 AM
I just wanted to add that i have eaten Pigeon.

It was vile. A bit like trying to chew rubber - no meat, all gristle, so Lucie, don't worry i won't be eatig Pigeon again.

Ninjahedge
March 14th, 2008, 09:03 AM
I liked my answer better.

It just wasn't authentic w/o the poo flinging Zip!

voodoochild
March 15th, 2008, 09:39 AM
I found a pic of "a certain pigeon lover" on the "PICTURES OF US" THREAD.....
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r257/tgarstad/Bert.jpg

Meerkat
March 15th, 2008, 11:28 AM
^You should have started a 'what happens next' discussion...............

5 seconds later he hacks the Pigeons head off with an axe, blood splashes accross the green wall behind and the body and dismembered head fall to the floor (all in slow motion of course:)).

voodoochild
March 15th, 2008, 03:35 PM
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h110/neilsonphoto/dead-pigeon.jpg
Ouch! That definitely was the result of a 7 iron.:eek:

voodoochild
March 15th, 2008, 03:37 PM
This was just a rock.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k310/Dionaea_miscipula/Nature/Animals/dodeduif.jpg
The lesson learned kiddies...a 7 iron by far works better than a rock when killing a pigeon.

Meerkat
March 16th, 2008, 10:58 AM
:D I'll stick with the 7 iron.

Here's a great book i found on Amazon - 101 ways to kill a pigeon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canceled-Flight-Pigeon-Killin-Methods/dp/0976141604

Ninjahedge
March 17th, 2008, 09:17 AM
Ladies?

In all fairness, it is OK to razz someone when you are talking about this kind of thing, but showing actual carcasses is a little gross. Even my stomach turned at the "stoned" pidgeon....


Fun is fun, but be nice........

Meerkat
March 17th, 2008, 09:29 AM
^ Yeah it was a bit of a stomach turner.

Good job i didn't add the pictures i found when i googled 'dead pigeons' - some are even more revolting (even worse than seeing live Pigeons:p).

But i'm thinking of buying the book 101 ways to kill a Pigeon - i can look forward to trying many new methods of ridding my neighbourhood in my one man (not a lady:cool:) anti-pigeon crusade:).

voodoochild
March 17th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Of course I'm a lady. No question mark needed, just having a little fun to add to the descriptive story of Bert and his pigeon. Sorry.:o

Ninjahedge
March 17th, 2008, 10:10 AM
^ Yeah it was a bit of a stomach turner.

Good job i didn't add the pictures i found when i googled 'dead pigeons' - some are even more revolting (even worse than seeing live Pigeons:p).

But i'm thinking of buying the book 101 ways to kill a Pigeon - i can look forward to trying many new methods of ridding my neighbourhood in my one man (not a lady:cool:) anti-pigeon crusade:).

My bad MK! I don't know why I thought that.

luciedove
March 20th, 2008, 09:23 AM
If there are any people who care about pigeons, please contact me @ nycpigeons@yahoo.com.

It seems there are not many independent thinkers here, only followers who do not use their brains or hearts. That is the problem with society in general -- people are afraid to go against the grain. I am willing to bet if suddenly Mayor Bloomberg or a famous pop diva (sorry but I cannot name anyone since I do not follow pop divas) started idolizing pigeons, you people would follow.

You are very typical of the mindset of the billions of human animals that make up our Earth -- not very original and not very smart or sensitive.

However, if there are any out there, please contact me. I would like to start planning something for our first National Pigeon Day, even a small gathering somewhere. We need ideas, but not from the peanut gallery who make up this Forum.

voodoochild
March 20th, 2008, 09:29 AM
If you think we are so heartless and closed minded then why to you take the time to even post here? Have a sense of humor, no one here would actually go and harm a pigeon..it is all in good fun.

So does this mean I am not invited to the next pigeon meet up?:(

lofter1
March 20th, 2008, 10:16 AM
I am willing to bet if suddenly Mayor Bloomberg or a famous pop diva (sorry but I cannot name anyone since I do not follow pop divas) started idolizing pigeons, you people would follow.
Don't be dissing no divas (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16996&highlight=cher) ...

Besides she LOVES pigeons, and probably wears more pigeon feathers on one night than you've seen in your entire life.

voodoochild
March 20th, 2008, 11:00 AM
Wait.....does Cher use pigeon feathers from pigeons that are already dead(from natural causes of course) OR does she have her assistant kill the birds for the feathers????:confused:Hmmmmmmmm.:p

lofter1
March 20th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Well, I'm not certain what she does these days, but when I worked for Cher the first thing she did was hand me one of THESE (http://www.diefenbacher.com/Assembly%20Mallet.jpg) ...




:cool:

voodoochild
March 20th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Well, I'm not certain what she does these days, but when I worked for Cher the first thing she did was hand me one of THESE (http://www.diefenbacher.com/Assembly%20Mallet.jpg) ...




:cool:
That's it Lofter, you've done the deed....you've made me laugh out loud in the middle of my office. :p

Ninjahedge
March 21st, 2008, 09:40 AM
It seems there are not many independent thinkers here, only followers who do not use their brains or hearts.

Ironic, no?


That is the problem with society in general -- people are afraid to go against the grain.

Especially when "against the grain" ruins what you have been working on.

You never have taken woodworking classes, have you?


I am willing to bet if suddenly Mayor Bloomberg or a famous pop diva (sorry but I cannot name anyone since I do not follow pop divas) started idolizing pigeons, you people would follow.

I will take that bet. How much money do you have?

Now do you mean "you people" as in the people on this forum, or people in general? Again you are generalizing to a group that is large enough to not only encoumas us here that disagree with yuo, but anyone that will fit into your insulting envelope.

Most of the people here do not follow "divas" and also do not hold Bloomberg as their mentor/leader.

You have to read a bit more there LD!


You are very typical of the mindset of the billions of human animals that make up our Earth -- not very original and not very smart or sensitive.

Strange, without humand, pidgeons would NEVER have become such a large contingent in the avian world. So without these millions of people, who co-incidentally do not like pidgen poop, nests, and plumage, these birds would not be so numerous as to warrant control.

More irony.


We need ideas, but not from the peanut gallery who make up this Forum.

Please leave. Now. You are being insulting DIRECTLY to the people on this board. You are not making fun of beliefs, but outright calling individuals animals, monsters, idiots and the like.

Until you, and your small-minded insecure positions mature enough to encompass more than what you hold as important because it is one of the few things that you can feel you have influence in, until that happens, you will only see people who do not agree with you as wrong.

And since your arguments have little, if any factual basis, you resort to the political-emotional ploy of discrediting or villifying the holders of those opinions rather than addressing them directly and admitting that you may just be incorrect in your dietal facination with the vermin you adore.




Or you may just want Zip to post more chimp photos.

Who knows? :rolleyes:

Ninjahedge
March 21st, 2008, 09:41 AM
Well, I'm not certain what she does these days, but when I worked for Cher the first thing she did was hand me one of THESE (http://www.diefenbacher.com/Assembly%20Mallet.jpg) ...




:cool:

That does not kill them, it just tenderizes them a bit.... ;)

ZippyTheChimp
March 21st, 2008, 10:21 AM
Pigeons mate for life.

This may somewhat explain their neurotic behavior in public.

voodoochild
March 21st, 2008, 10:43 AM
Hold on, aren't there restaurants that serve pigeon??? Shouldn't LD be going to buy some oaktag to make protest signs for these places rather than bother our inncoent good time with her nonsense?

Meerkat
March 22nd, 2008, 05:16 PM
^ I know a place that serves them - the only problem is they are very expensive and don't taste very nice, a bit like rubber. I'm assuming of course Lucie and her friends are vegetarians and wouldn't dream of eating the flesh of another animal?

I'm at a bit of a loss when she defends Pigeons so passionately, especially when there are scores of other species on the edge of extinction :confused:, in fact after reading a few lists of endangered species after reading this thread, i'm considering joining Greenpeace (so at least i can thank Lucie for that), but then of course having no brain / heart what's the point.

Lucie, i've got an idea for your group, go out, have a few drinks and get l**d. But if i lived in New York i'd love to come along just to see who turns up at your meeting - is there a London branch of your group? i could go to that (complete with pellet gun of course).

Ninjahedge
March 24th, 2008, 10:22 AM
Be nice Merk!!!!!

But I agree with you in that it is odd, and a tragic waste, that thee people put so much effort into "saving" a species that is in NO WAY in need of any help from anyone!

It's like raising charity funds to save Donald Trump's Hairpiece.

voodoochild
March 24th, 2008, 04:12 PM
Be nice Merk!!!!!

But I agree with you in that it is odd, and a tragic waste, that thee people put so much effort into "saving" a species that is in NO WAY in need of any help from anyone!

It's like raising charity funds to save Donald Trump's Hairpiece.

There is NO saving of "The Hairpiece"...that thing is a tragedy.

Ninjahedge
March 25th, 2008, 09:46 AM
Donald Trump: It's NOT a hairpiece!!!! it's a combover........

Meerkat
March 25th, 2008, 10:17 AM
But I agree with you in that it is odd, and a tragic waste, that thee people put so much effort into "saving" a species that is in NO WAY in need of any help from anyone!



Exactly - thats the point i was trying to make, if they were dying out i'd have some sympathy.

Anyway i've now signed up to Greepeace, so watch out for me on the news, strapped to some Japanese whaling boat.......

Donald Trump wears a hairpiece? I thought that was a pet Ferret on his head:confused:

voodoochild
March 25th, 2008, 10:21 AM
Donald Trump: It's NOT a hairpiece!!!! it's a combover........
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/khoener/trump.jpg
I must say.....I'M STUMPED! Is it a comb over??? Is it a hair piece??? One will never be able to tell.:p

Ninjahedge
March 26th, 2008, 09:11 AM
You're Fired! ©®TM

voodoochild
March 26th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Okay LD..here is your mission....Find out where this sign is posted. Good luck and report back when mission is accomplished.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/emo_brad_phil/pigeon.jpg

luciedove
June 12th, 2008, 06:49 PM
please refer to our blog for speaking schedule:
http://www.nationalpigeonday.com

Friday, June 13

4 - 8 pm

Pilgrim Hill (http://centralpark2000.com/database/pilgrim_hill.html) in Central Park
New York, NY
(enter on northwest corner of 5th Avenue @ E. 72nd Street)

Entertainment, political activism, materials distribution, candlelight prayer service with guitar accompaniment and pigeon shaped cookies. Learn how carrier pigeons Cher Ami, GI Joe and Winkie saved the lives of more than 1,000 men in wartime. Become part of Project Pigeon Watch (http://www.birds.cornell.edu/pigeonwatch) and have fun learning about our fascinating NYC residents.

Amanda Tree will host and play her music for National Pigeon Day.

Special Guest Joe Franklin (http://www.joefranklin.com/joe.html)

Speakers include:

Council Member Tony Avella, Nellie McKay, In Defense of Animals, Deacon Joseph Dwyer, Janice Fredericks, United Poultry Concerns, Raghav K. Goyal and Ana A. Garcia, Amanda Tree.

The New York Bird Club wishes to thank In Defense of Animals who will provide a banner, Hanna Fushihara Aron who will bake pigeon shaped cookies, God's Creatures Ministry who will provide candles, the United Federation of Teachers Humane Education Committee who will bring Pigeon Watch materials for distribution, all speakers and contributors and all our pigeon friends who advocate on behalf of our beautiful birds.

lofter1
June 12th, 2008, 11:45 PM
I shall be away from the city on a little hunting trip ...

Hope the local birds behave themselves on their special day.

ZippyTheChimp
June 13th, 2008, 07:49 AM
Whatayamean hunting?

brianac
June 13th, 2008, 08:09 AM
Extract from ARTICLE (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234649&postcount=1)

June 12, 2008, 5:59 pm

Podcast: Flags (and Pigeons) Flying High

By Sam Roberts (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/sroberts/)


Following is the script of the weekly “Only in New York” audio podcast. Listen at left or download the mp3 to a portable player. Browse a list of other Times podcasts here (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/multimedia/podcasts.html).

Sometimes, while covering New York, you’re presented with an embarrassment of riches. This week, for example, I was torn between two lofty topics.

Some high-spirited citizens were gathering in Central Park to proclaim National Pigeon Day on June 13 (http://www.nationalpigeonday.blogspot.com/). We idolize hawks and falcons, which perch above it all. What about their unappreciated prey, the pedestrian pigeon?

Woody Allen (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/woody-allen/) once called them — dare we say, pigeonholed them — as “rats with wings.” But their wartime service carrying messages saved American lives. Their endurance, alone, deserves respect. And that dove we mythologize as a peace symbol is really just a white pigeon.

A decade ago, when John Tierney wrote in The Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DB123CF930A15754C0A9639582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2) that a pigeon egg had hatched on his Upper West Side bathroom windowsill, readers couldn’t wait to weigh in. Hardly anyone had ever seen a baby pigeon. Or, for that matter, a dead one.

I confess, I was always fascinated by their iridescent necks, how they can bob their heads without getting headaches. Still, I resisted the temptation to devote an entire podcast to pigeons.

Ninjahedge
June 13th, 2008, 10:48 AM
Cannon Fodder and Pigeon Feed.

Have fun calling for another national day. Maybe you can combine with the "National Raccoon Day" people, or the "National Salamander Day" people to form a "National Unappreciated Ordinary Animal Day".


Why do we have to have a "day" for every little thing?

ZippyTheChimp
June 13th, 2008, 11:26 AM
National Moderators Day.

Has a nice ring to it.

Ninjahedge
June 16th, 2008, 02:44 PM
They had one,

But it went OT and they locked it.

luciedove
July 9th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Yes! Believe it or not.....National Pigeon Day 2009 is only 336 ? days away.:eek: Help us get ready for the next one! You can either whine or join in.:) The date will be Saturday, June 13, 2009. Maybe Woody will show up for this one.:D

Ninjahedge
July 9th, 2008, 03:21 PM
OK, now you are just being silly.

Jasonik
July 19th, 2008, 03:20 PM
Pigeons: The Next Step in Local Eating (No, Really)

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/images/2008/07/18/squab_copy_2.jpg
Image: A composite image of scavenger pigeons on the left and squab on the right. Left: flickr/ulterior epicure (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ulteriorepicure/). Right: flickr/vanberto (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vanessabertozzi/).


By Alexis Madrigal, July 18, 2008 (http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/07/does-pigeon-mea.html)

When you look at a pigeon, you might see a dirty, rat-like bird that fouls anything it touches with feathers or feces, but I see a waste-scavenging, protein-generating biomachine.

At a time when rising demand for meat across the globe endangers the food system, and local eating has gained millions of (T-shirt wearing (http://www.zazzle.com/locavore_t_shirt-235076377185280697)) adherents, it's time to reconsider our assumptions about what protein sources are considered OK to eat.

You see, city pigeons are the feral descendants of birds that were domesticated by humans thousands of years ago so that we could eat them and use their guano as fertilizer, we read in Der Spiegel (http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/nov2007/gb2007116_610497.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily). They're still doing their part, i.e. eating and breeding, but we humans have stopped doing ours, i.e. eating them.

Numbering in the hundreds of millions, they could be a new source of guilt-free protein for locavores in urban centers. Instead, we're still trying to kill off our species' former pet birds, which (as any city-dweller can attest) doesn't work.

"Killing makes no sense at all," Daniel Haag-Wackernagel (http://pages.unibas.ch/dbmw/medbiol/haag.html), a biologist at the University of Basel, told Der Spiegel. "The birds have an enormous reproduction capacity and they'll just come back. There is a linear relationship between the bird population and the amount of food available."

And in the developed world after World War II, there's always been plenty of food.

"This explosion of the pigeon population is due to the large food supply, because after the war food became cheap in relation to income," Haag-Wackernagel argues on his website (http://pages.unibas.ch/dbmw/medbiol/haag_6.html). "Since this increase in our welfare, society has produced pigeon food in abundance through our wasteful practices."

It sure sounds like a bad situation, but put the two quotes together in the context of food production. A food source that lives on our trash that is so reproductively prolific that we can't kill it off?

That's green tech at its finest! Pigeons are direct waste-to-food converters, like edible protein weeds, that leave droppings that could be used as fertilizer as a bonus.

And yet we expend energy trying to get rid of them.

It wasn't always this way. In fact, eating pigeons is as American as eating pumpkin pie. Probably more so, on a net weight basis, actually.

A 1917 report (http://www.wildbirds.org/apidesay.htm) to the Massachusetts Board of Agriculture details the story of the American passenger pigeon, extinct kin to our current city birds. The birds provided our founding fathers with a bountiful feast in 1648 when, according to Massachusets Bay Colony luminary John Winthrop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Winthrop), "multitudes of them were killed daily."

The report describes the many millions of birds that were killed all across the nation through the 19th century. A specialized itinerant profession even arose, the netters, who when pigeons were spotted "learned their whereabouts by telegraph, packed up their belongings, and moved to the new location." In one particularly fascinating section, the author describes the last great flock of New York pigeons on the lam from marauding bands of netters who sell their meat to market.

Possibly the last great slaughter of pigeons in New York, of which we have record, was some time in the 70s. A flock had nested in Missouri in April, where they were followed by the same pigeoners, who again destroyed the squabs. The New York market alone would take 100 barrels a day for weeks without a break in price. Chicago, St. Louis, Boston and all the great and little cities of the North and East joined in the demand. Need we wonder why the pigeons have vanished?
That's right: Passenger pigeons were hunted to extinction because they were a popular food in the great cities of Restoration-era America.

Of course, the obvious objection is that pigeons carry disease, but some evidence suggests that they aren't particularly susceptible to avian flu (http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/05/the_invincible_fluimmune_pigeo.php). As for the meat itself, I called up the FDA's food safety line to ask how pigeon compared, safety-wise, to your average factory-farmed pig or chicken, but after one-and-a-half hours on hold, the office closed down and I gave up.

But as part of this 65 percent not-kidding thought experiment, let's assume that there's nothing horrifically bad about eating pigeon.

Really, all pigeons need is a re-branding. Just as the spurned Patagonian toothfish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonian_toothfish)became the majestic Chilean sea bass and the silly Chinese gooseberry became the beloved kiwifruit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_gooseberry#Names), pigeons can merely reclaim their previous sufficiently arugula-sounding name: squab (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squab_%28food%29).

The term squab now refers to the meat of the baby pigeon, but it can also mean pigeons in general, so we can simply extend the brand back to its historical proportions. In fact, some companies like Bokhari Squab Farms (http://www.bokhari.com/) are already doing good business selling the stuff: A dozen of Bokhari's live squab goes for $60.

So, go buy sustainablesquab.com and encourage your urban friends to make omnivorism local. Just remind them: Pigeons are fowl.

Disclaimer: How serious am I? 65 percent not-kidding.

Thanks to urban agriculture supporter, TJ Sondermann (http://friendfeed.com/sondernagle), for his Twitter research help. Even though I'm pretty sure he's not going to be eating pigeon any time soon.

Ninjahedge
July 22nd, 2008, 11:44 AM
The only problem is sanitary.

These guys are not controlled. Rats may provide protien as well, but until we start vaccinating these suckers or something, I shudder to think of what some of the scruffier looking ones could be carrying!

Not only that, if we only eat the "good looking" ones, Darwin would have a field day! What would we end up with, a bunch of Scruff-Squab left that noone wants to eat because they resemble the garbage they eat?


Ah well.

One little thing, they could have, at least, gotten a GOOD LOOKING pic of Squab to try to make a point. That pic looks a little dry......

brianac
August 7th, 2008, 06:56 PM
August 7, 2008, 6:10 pm

A Bizarre Pigeon Abduction in Chinatown

By Marc Santora (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/msantora/)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/07/nyregion/07pigeons.533.jpg
By the time this photograph was taken Thursday afternoon in Columbus Park, in Chinatown, the pigeon-napper had already taken off with his prey. (Photo: Hiroko Masuike for The New York Times)

First, a confession. I am not a fan of pigeons. I have even eaten a pigeon, while on vacation in Egypt (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/africa/egypt/overview.html) – more for the culinary adventure than revenge, but whatever the reason, I ate the bird and felt not a twinge of guilt.

Still, I was left rocked back on my heels this afternoon when I witnessed – for the first and hopefully only time – a pigeon-napping.

The curious incident happened in Columbus Park (http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/parks_divisions/capital/pd_proj_month_mar_04.html), a small oasis tucked behind the State Supreme Court complex on Centre Street, on the border of Chinatown.

The park itself is one of the more intriguing gathering spots in Manhattan.

All day, elderly Chinese men play a Chinese version of chess as crowds gather to watch. There are other clusters of Chinese women playing card games. Little English is spoken. The lawyers and government functionaries who work nearby also swing through the small, unkempt grounds, but it is largely a Chinese crowd.

They sit not only on the benches and at the tables, but on rocks and the small slivers of earth surrounding the largely paved area.

In the western corner of the park, some men had hung cages was lovely songbirds in them, listening to their chirping as they sprawled out in the shade of the trees.

It was among this crowd that a burly white man in a blue shirt sat down.

He threw some crumbs on the ground in front of him and almost immediately, a flock of pigeons was at his feet.

Then, with a quick thrust of his right arm, he seized one of the birds.

As the other pigeons scattered, he stuffed his captured prey into a large white box.

We made brief eye contact. Then he bolted, thrusting his box with the rustling bird on his shoulder and disappearing into the crowded alley ways of Chinatown.

I was mystified.

Was he capturing dinner? Taking the bird to his own flock to be raced or trained? Getting food for some voracious pet?

He was gone before I could ask, but a quick search on bird-napping revealed that it is topic that has come up in the past in the city.

The New Yorker reported last summer that residents in some neighborhoods were reporting a wave of pigeon robbers (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2007/07/09/070709ta_talk_collins). A writer for the magazine was contacted by someone from “Bird Operations Busted, a self-styled pigeon-liberation outfit.” The man, who was not named in the story, said that generally, there were two kinds of birdnappers: “netters and hoopers,” referencing the tools used to capture pigeons.

There were enough incidents in Greenwich Village for The Villager (http://www.thevillager.com/), a community newspaper, to warn residents: “Someone is scooping up Village pigeons and no one knows why.”

But the man in Columbus Park was neither a netter nor a hooper, but rather a hand-scooper, and a deft one at that.

It calls to mind another man who captured pigeons in a public park to sustain himself during a particularly lean season: Ernest Hemingway (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/ernest_hemingway/index.html).

In “A Moveable Feast,” Hemingway describes how he would wait for the gendarme at the Jardin du Luxembourg (http://www.senat.fr/lng/en/palais.html) in Paris to wonder off for a break or a glass of wine and then seize a pigeon, dispatching quickly with a swift twist of the neck before taking it home to prepare to eat.

In New York City, it seems, there is no need to fear the law when it comes to pigeon hunting.

My estimable colleague Al Baker (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/al_baker/index.html), who covers the Police Department, made a quick inquiry about the incident and was told there was no indication a crime had been committed.

Asked if a man grabbing a pigeon, stuffing it in a box and running was a crime of some sort, a straight-faced police spokesman said, “No, not really.”

“There’s no real crime,” the spokesman said, adding that more facts would be needed. “Maybe he’s trying to save the pigeon’s life. You cannot say it is a crime, because there is nothing to conclude it is a crime.”

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/a-bizarre-pigeon-abduction-in-chinatown/

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ablarc
August 12th, 2008, 09:47 PM
^ Not much information in that article.

brianac
August 13th, 2008, 08:17 AM
I thought it slightly humorous.

Man grabs pigeon.
Man hides pigeeon in box.
Man makes off with pigeon.

The rest is for your imagination.

a) man uses pigeon to breed other pigeons.
b) man trains pigeon to be a racing pigeon.
c) man eats pigeon.

ablarc
August 13th, 2008, 08:22 AM
Yeah, it's like a Beatles song: a sketchy canvas for you to project your own interpretation.

brianac
August 16th, 2008, 05:53 AM
Yeah, it's like a Beatles song: a sketchy canvas for you to project your own interpretation.


This is one option that never crossed my mind.



Fowl play: Sicko paints pigeon purple in Queens

By LISA L. COLANGELO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Updated Friday, August 15th 2008, 4:49 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/16/amd_pigeon.jpg Roca/News
A pigeon that was painted purple was discovered in a Queens park.

We heard it through the grapevine - Queens (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Queens+County) has a purple pigeon.
Theroyal-hued bird wasn't born that way, though. Someone with a sick senseof humor - or a problem with pigeons - painted him purple.

"Itwas terrible," said Joe Mora (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Joe+Mora), an animal lover who rescued the birdThursday from a Long Island City (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Long+Island+City) playground, where onlookers weregawking at the oddly-colored columbine.

"It looks like this was done intentionally...it could have been blinded," Mora said.

Hetried coaxing the lethargic bird to eat while asking anyone andeveryone for advice on how to clean paint from its feathers and beak.
Friday,city Animal Care and Control officials transferred the pigeon to BobbyHorvath, a licensed wildlife rehabilitator in Nassau County (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Nassau+County) who hasextensive experience caring for injured birds.

The young pigeon, about three or four months old, might not survive the prank - if it was one, Horvath said.

"I have never seen anything like it," said Horvath, who is also a New York City (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/New+York+City) firefighter.

"He's flightless at this point. His feathers are completely rigid," he said.
"His beak and mouth and eyes are clear of paint," Horvath said. "That's a positive thing."

Horvath said the bird has a better chance if the paint hasn't seeped through into his skin.

Morasaid he hopes someone in the neighborhood will come forward withinformation about the bird. He said he has heard stories about a man onnearby Roosevelt Island (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Roosevelt+Island) who dyed his dog's fur purple.

"If this was intentionally done to the bird, it certainly is animal cruelty," said ASPCA Assistant Director Joseph Pentangelo (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Joseph+Pentangelo).

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/08/15/2008-08-15_fowl_play_sicko_paints_pigeon_purple_in_.html

© Copyright 2008 NYDailyNews.com.

Triborough
August 16th, 2008, 02:41 PM
They still are rats with wings.

Meerkat
August 17th, 2008, 05:57 AM
Pigeons may be considered vermin in many parts of the world, but another bird is considerably more respected in Europe.

Meet Sir Nils Olav:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7562773.stm

A penguin who was previously made a Colonel-in-Chief of the Norwegian Army has been knighted at Edinburgh Zoo.
Penguin Nils Olav has been an honorary member and mascot of the Norwegian King's Guard since 1972.
Over the years, he has been promoted through the ranks after being adopted by Royal Guard who visited the zoo.
During the ceremony, Nils had a sword dubbed on each side of his head, where his shoulders should be, to confirm his regimental knighthood. A crowd of several hundred people joined the 130 guardsmen at the zoo. A citation from King Harald the Fifth of Norway was read out, which described Nils as a penguin "in every way qualified to receive the honour and dignity of knighthood". The guardsmen come to see Nils every few years while they are in Edinburgh performing at the city's Military Tattoo. The proud penguin was on his best behaviour throughout most of the ceremony, but shortly before the ritual was concluded and possibly suffering a bout of nerves he was seen to deposit a discreet white puddle on the ground.

Drawing a polite veil over that, Darren McGarry, animal collection manager at the zoo, said afterwards: "It went extremely well and we are delighted that the Norwegian Guard honoured Nils Olav with a knighthood.
"We all enjoyed the occasion and Nils was a perfect penguin throughout." British Major General Euan Loudon officiated at the ceremony. Mr McGarry, added: "Nils always recognises the Norwegian guardsmen when they come to visit him.
"He loves the attention he receives at the ceremony and takes his time inspecting the troops." Nils has also received medals for long service and had a 4ft bronze statue built in his honour. Guardsman Captain Rune Wiik said: "We are extremely proud of Nils Olav and pleased that an enduring part of the Royal Guard is resident in Scotland helping to further strengthen ties between our two countries." However, the penguin honoured on Friday is unfortunately not the original Nils Olav. He died in the 1980s and was replaced by a two-year-old penguin at the Zoo. Norway presented the zoo with its first king penguin in 1913, the year of its opening. David Windmill, chief executive of the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland, the charity that owns Edinburgh Zoo, said: "We have a long-standing history with the Norwegian King's Guard and it is something we are extremely proud of."


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NYatKNIGHT
August 18th, 2008, 10:35 AM
They still are rats with wings.I never liked that^ overused and unoriginal analogy (nothing personal Triborough, we've all used it), but surely rats with wings would be much more horrifying to encounter than a pigeon.

Triborough
August 18th, 2008, 10:54 AM
The analogy is due to all the disease and filth they carry. It is unoriginal, but it is true.

NYatKNIGHT
August 18th, 2008, 11:50 AM
Oh really? :rolleyes:

ZippyTheChimp
August 18th, 2008, 12:46 PM
I always liked "Flying Ashtray."

There is no documented proof that pigeons are disease carriers to any greater extend than the general bird population.

There are just too many of them - like geese.

And linking pigeons to rats may inadvertently enhance their status. Pigeons appear to be really stupid, while rats are highly intelligent. Studies indicate that rats possess metacognition. (http://neurophilosophy.wordpress.com/2007/03/09/rats-are-capable-of-assessing-their-own-knowledge/)

Ninjahedge
August 18th, 2008, 02:42 PM
So the lesson here is: Don't insult the rats.