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NYCboy1212
February 15th, 2009, 02:05 AM
:confused::confused:

KenNYC
February 15th, 2009, 02:32 AM
Nope :)

NYCboy1212
February 15th, 2009, 03:11 AM
Nope :)

Thanx for the honest opinion:p why not

Fabrizio
February 15th, 2009, 09:04 AM
My smoke alarm shrieks in a 5 octave range too.

NYCboy1212
February 15th, 2009, 11:04 AM
My smoke alarm shrieks in a 5 octave range too.

Funny:D but it cant sing so i need a real answer

ZippyTheChimp
February 15th, 2009, 11:17 AM
You just gave the real answer.

kz1000ps
February 15th, 2009, 04:07 PM
Al Jarreau (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEroTmdh69U), maybe?

Joni Mitchell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSuCOcL39U)?

Fabrizio
February 15th, 2009, 04:40 PM
You can pick just about any name out of a hat from the 60's and 70's and they'll be a better singer than Mariah Carey.

Patti Labelle can do the same high-c shrieking and wow a crowd, but she can also actually sing a song when she wants too.

Just talking females and not even considering all the great jazz singers, and all the great singers of standards (b'way, clubs & film), Mariah Carey can't even begin to equal (in their prime): Aretha Franklin, Dusty Springfield, Gladys Knight, Carly Simon, Barbra Streisand, Karen Carpenter, Tina Turner, Linda Ronstat, Roberta Flack, Dionne Warwick, Annie lenox... and the list goes on and on... and add rockers like Grace Slick, Janis Joplin.....oh and then there's country...

Just a standard pop song from a million years ago, sung live... listen to the perfect voice placement and interpretation... could Mariah Carey ever dream of singing this way?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0qm8nq8RcA


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NYCboy1212
February 15th, 2009, 08:40 PM
You can pick just about any name out of a hat from the 60's and 70's and they'll be a better singer than Mariah Carey.

Patti Labelle can do the same high-c shrieking and wow a crowd, but she can also actually sing a song when she wants too.

Just talking females and not even considering all the great jazz singers, and all the great singers of standards (b'way, clubs & film), Mariah Carey can't even begin to equal (in their prime): Aretha Franklin, Dusty Springfield, Gladys Knight, Carly Simon, Barbra Streisand, Karen Carpenter, Tina Turner, Linda Ronstat, Roberta Flack, Dionne Warwick, Annie lenox... and the list goes on and on... and add rockers like Grace Slick, Janis Joplin.....oh and then there's country...

Just a standard pop song from a million years ago, sung live... listen to the perfect voice placement and interpretation... could Mariah Carey ever dream of singing this way?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0qm8nq8RcA


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ALot of those singers are very subjective and cant leave the same note in every song. And if they are better then why arent they as succesful. For instance aretha franklin is a good singer but she has to move over. She tried sing one of mariahs songs and she sounded ok but when mariah did her song with aretha mariah sounded better. Alot of those singers great artist but mariah has an a more impressive voice. She could sing better than that Linda Ronstadt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG0N6PvKhEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UmFpaOR8qY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKsQD1Lsk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4VO5IpUkhM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-QjQzhD0Sc

Fabrizio
February 15th, 2009, 09:13 PM
^ "And if they are better then why arent they as succesful. "

If sales determine how great a singer is, as far as females go, Mariah Cary on a world-wide basis is outsold by Madonna, Brenda Lee, Dolly Parton, Cher, Celine Dion, Donna Summer, Nana Mouskouri, Janet Jackson, Dalida and Alla Pugacheva.

In fact, over-all Ms. Carey ranks 78th.

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-music-artists

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And the biggest selling female albums of all time (US) go to:

Shania Twain, Whitney Huston, Alanais Morissette, Patsey Cline, Norah Jones, Carole King and Britney Spears

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_in_the_United_States

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Best selling singles? Mariah Carey ranks 48th (US sales). Beaten by Linda Ronstdat by the way...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_singles_(USA)


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Bronxbombers
February 16th, 2009, 12:40 AM
I have seen Mariah Carey live-in-concert 3 times in Los Angeles,CA. on August 18th,2003 on December 17th,2003 and also on Friday,October 6th,2006. Mariah Carey is greatest female singer in the world.

Derek2k3
February 16th, 2009, 01:00 AM
I think Mariah is among the most vocally talented singers ever. I just don't like any of her music.

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 05:13 AM
She's never won a Grammy Award for Record of the Year: Roberta Flack twice,
Norah Jones (twice) Carole King, Tina Turner, Sheryl Crow.... everybody but no Mariah Carey.

She's never won a Grammy Award for Album of the Year... you got your Carole Kings and Celine Dions and your Alanis Morissettes.... but no Maraiah Carey.

She's never won a Grammy Award for Song of the Year: Natalie Cole, Linda Ronstadt, Judy Collins, Barbra Stiesand.... a whole bunch of ladies.... but no Mariah Carey.

Most Grammy Awards as a female solo artist : Alison Krauss 26 Grammy Awards

Mariah Carey did win one for Best New Artist.... waaaay back in 1991... and another 3 in 2006 in the R&B category but it's small potatoes compared to Aretha Franklin who has won the R&B Vocal Performance Grammy a record 18 times, 8 of them consecutively.

So there.

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Gregory Tenenbaum
February 16th, 2009, 06:35 AM
IMO the greatest singer in the world is Mariah Carey. She has won multiple grammys and other awards, she was named best voice of all time, named best artist to come out of the 90s, has the most #1 singles for a solo artist (18) and the second most for any artist behind the beatles(21), and her voice can reach all octaves of the human voice.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jki8JmeolbY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m11c_wSqOdM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUUE4ePt8Xc


Do you agree?

Sorry, gotta decline.

For my 1000th post, its gotta be Whitney. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYTD6hQh6xs&feature=related)

Or Celine. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naPgrhX6rIk)

Or Yelena and Yulia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Aj0IKFpvk).

Show the Tenenbaum some love...

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 08:14 AM
VH1's Top 100 Female Artists...no Mariah Carey... no Mariah Carey in the top-100:

1 Aretha Franklin
2 Tina Turner
3 Janis Joplin
4 Bonnie Raitt
5 Joni Mitchell
6 Billie Holiday
7 Chrissie Hynde
8 Madonna
9 Annie Lennox
10 Carole King
11 Patsy Cline
12 Debbie Harry
13 Ella Fitzgerald
14 Stevie Nicks
15 Patti Smith
16 The Supremes
17 Chaka Khan
18 Gladys Knight
19 Etta James
20 Grace Slick
21 Linda Ronstadt
22 Emmylou Harris
23 The Mamas & The Papas
24 Dusty Springfield
25 Marianne Faithfull
26 Bessie Smith
27 Joan Baez
28 Carly Simon
29 Karen Carpenter
30 Rickie Lee Jones
31 Barbra Streisand
32 Joan Jett
33 k.d. lang
34 Dolly Parton
35 Sinéad O'Connor
36 Björk
37 Donna Summer
38 Diana Ross
39 Pat Benatar
40 Heart
41 Patti Labelle
42 Dionne Warwick
43 Cher
44 Sheryl Crow
45 Roberta Flack
46 Kate Bush
47 The B-52's
48 Dinah Washington
49 Melissa Etheridge
50 Sarah Vaughan
51 Bette Midler
52 Laura Nyro
53 Alanis Morissette
54 Tracy Chapman
55 PJ Harvey
56 Martha & the Vandellas
57 Mavis Staples
58 Cyndi Lauper
59 Joan Armatrading
60 Ruth Brown
61 Whitney Houston
62 Lena Horne
63 Christine McVie
64 The Shirelles
65 Loretta Lynn
66 Sade
67 The Ronettes
68 Hole
69 Sarah McLachlan
70 ABBA
71 Tori Amos
72 Queen Latifah
73 Tammy Wynette
74 Anita Baker
75 Exene Cervenka
76 The Go-Go's
77 Janet Jackson
78 Mahalia Jackson
79 The Indigo Girls
80 Big Mama Thornton
81 Gloria Estefan
82 Grace Jones
83 Salt-N-Pepa
84 Yoko Ono
85 Petula Clark
86 Laurie Anderson
87 Nico
88 Sheila E.
89 Eartha Kitt
90 Ani DiFranco
91 Kim Gordon
92 Natalie Cole
93 Peggy Lee
94 Liz Phair
95 Olivia Newton-John
96 Siouxsie and the Banshees
97 Lucinda Williams
98 Kim Deal
99 Talking Heads
100 Erykah Badu

lofter1
February 16th, 2009, 09:34 AM
That list must make Babs crazy.

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 09:52 AM
I think what it really shows is that you can't trust anyone under the age of 40. There's no Rosemary Clooney, Judy Garland(!), Nancy Wilson (!), Shirley Bassey, Nina Simone (!), Vikki Carr, Dinah Shore, Doris Day, Margaret Whiting, Carmen Mcrae, Anita O'Day.... but Madonna is number 8.

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NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 03:42 PM
VH1's Top 100 Female Artists...no Mariah Carey... no Mariah Carey in the top-100:

1 Aretha Franklin
2 Tina Turner
3 Janis Joplin
4 Bonnie Raitt
5 Joni Mitchell
6 Billie Holiday
7 Chrissie Hynde
8 Madonna
9 Annie Lennox
10 Carole King
11 Patsy Cline
12 Debbie Harry
13 Ella Fitzgerald
14 Stevie Nicks
15 Patti Smith
16 The Supremes
17 Chaka Khan
18 Gladys Knight
19 Etta James
20 Grace Slick
21 Linda Ronstadt
22 Emmylou Harris
23 The Mamas & The Papas
24 Dusty Springfield
25 Marianne Faithfull
26 Bessie Smith
27 Joan Baez
28 Carly Simon
29 Karen Carpenter
30 Rickie Lee Jones
31 Barbra Streisand
32 Joan Jett
33 k.d. lang
34 Dolly Parton
35 Sinéad O'Connor
36 Björk
37 Donna Summer
38 Diana Ross
39 Pat Benatar
40 Heart
41 Patti Labelle
42 Dionne Warwick
43 Cher
44 Sheryl Crow
45 Roberta Flack
46 Kate Bush
47 The B-52's
48 Dinah Washington
49 Melissa Etheridge
50 Sarah Vaughan
51 Bette Midler
52 Laura Nyro
53 Alanis Morissette
54 Tracy Chapman
55 PJ Harvey
56 Martha & the Vandellas
57 Mavis Staples
58 Cyndi Lauper
59 Joan Armatrading
60 Ruth Brown
61 Whitney Houston
62 Lena Horne
63 Christine McVie
64 The Shirelles
65 Loretta Lynn
66 Sade
67 The Ronettes
68 Hole
69 Sarah McLachlan
70 ABBA
71 Tori Amos
72 Queen Latifah
73 Tammy Wynette
74 Anita Baker
75 Exene Cervenka
76 The Go-Go's
77 Janet Jackson
78 Mahalia Jackson
79 The Indigo Girls
80 Big Mama Thornton
81 Gloria Estefan
82 Grace Jones
83 Salt-N-Pepa
84 Yoko Ono
85 Petula Clark
86 Laurie Anderson
87 Nico
88 Sheila E.
89 Eartha Kitt
90 Ani DiFranco
91 Kim Gordon
92 Natalie Cole
93 Peggy Lee
94 Liz Phair
95 Olivia Newton-John
96 Siouxsie and the Banshees
97 Lucinda Williams
98 Kim Deal
99 Talking Heads
100 Erykah Badu
Since we got off topic for some reason which was Best Singer not artist heres a list.

MTV's 5 Greatest Voices in Music
1.Mariah Carey
2.Freddie Mercury
3.Whitney Houston
4.Bono
5.Alanis Morisette

ZippyTheChimp
February 16th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Since we got off topic for some reason which was Best Singer not artist

What's the difference?

scumonkey
February 16th, 2009, 03:57 PM
What's the difference?
An artist is someone with talent!

That MTV list made me laugh harder than I've ever laughed before!
I'm sorry, calling Pariah Carey the "best singer" is like saying
that Tiny Tim was the best male vocalist of all time-
obviously MTV used a def tranny intern to compile that list. ;)

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 04:22 PM
^ "And if they are better then why arent they as succesful. "

If sales determine how great a singer is, as far as females go, Mariah Cary on a world-wide basis is outsold by Madonna, Brenda Lee, Dolly Parton, Cher, Celine Dion, Donna Summer, Nana Mouskouri, Janet Jackson, Dalida and Alla Pugacheva.

In fact, over-all Ms. Carey ranks 78th.

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-music-artists

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And the biggest selling female albums of all time (US) go to:

Shania Twain, Whitney Huston, Alanais Morissette, Patsey Cline, Norah Jones, Carole King and Britney Spears

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_in_the_United_States

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Best selling singles? Mariah Carey ranks 48th (US sales). Beaten by Linda Ronstdat by the way...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_singles_(USA)


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I didnt say sales but There songs never seem to make #1 in the country when they came out. They are not better singers. She has five grammys though named best artist to come out of the 90s.

GRAMMY WINNERGENRECATEGORYYEARTITLEPERFORMING ARTISTMariah Carey, artist. R&BBest Female R&B Vocal Performance2005 - 48th Annual GRAMMY AwardsWe Belong TogetherMariah CareyJermaine Dupri, Johnta Austin, Manuel Seal, Jr. & Mariah Carey, songwriters. R&BBest R&B Song2005 - 48th Annual GRAMMY AwardsWe Belong TogetherMariah CareyMariah Carey, artist. Brian Garten & Dana Jon Chappelle, engineers. Philip Tan, engineer/mixer. R&BBest Contemporary R&B Album2005 - 48th Annual GRAMMY AwardsThe Emancipation Of MimiMariah CareyMariah Carey, artist. GeneralBest New Artist1990 - 33rd Annual GRAMMY Awards Mariah CareyMariah Carey, artist. PopBest Pop Vocal Performance, Female1990 - 33rd Annual GRAMMY Awards Vision Of LoveMariah Carey

Arent most of those singers really old.

List of awards won.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Mariah_Carey
List of Grammy Nominations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Nominations_for_Mariah_Carey
List of American Music Awards Nominations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Nominations_for_Mariah_Carey

Now just because she doesnt sell as many doesnt mean she is not the greatest singer. She may not be the greatest artist or musician but greatest singer.

Aretha Franklin had a Half century career. Mariah had near 20 so how can than be fair. As i stated before she does have the most #1 singles (meaning that almost every single she came out with reached number one in the country as a solo artist) The people have spoken. She spent 79 weeks altogether at number 1 which is the most weeks at #1 Elvis had 79. Doesnt that mean her musi speaks to alot more people since she has as many sinlges that reach #1 as the Beatles.
One of her songs spent the most weeks at #1 than any other song which was 16. She has 3 #1 Debuts. She has 27 top 10 single hits. She is one out of 2 women who has 2 sinles occuping #1 spot and #2 spot. She is #3 under the producer with the most #1 hits with 14. #3 at songwriter with the most number one hits, 17. One of her songs in the top 10 of all time top 100 songs. She alsWorld o is one of the 7 queens of pop.

Talk aout sales but here is the WORLDs(not just USA) top best selling music artist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists
Best selling albums WORLD wide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide
Best Selling Singles WORLD wide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles_worldwide

ZippyTheChimp
February 16th, 2009, 04:38 PM
She may not be the greatest artist or musician but greatest singer.You still haven't explained the difference.

How can a singer (especially one at the top of a list) not be an artist?

Bronxbombers
February 16th, 2009, 04:41 PM
My 2 favorite female singers are number 1 in my opinion. And Mariah Carey & Jennifer Lopez. My 2 favorite male singers are Paul Stanley & Steven Tyler.

kz1000ps
February 16th, 2009, 04:41 PM
NYCboy, why are you trying to prove something to be true when all this is based solely on opinion? Throw all the stats at it you want, but there's just as many stats that'll say something completely different.

Mariah has an impressive voice, but I find her style and her music to be too sappy, produced, commercial, and containing way too much egotistical over-the-top-diva-theatrical bulls***. Bottom line is I can stand about one song of hers at a time before I need to move on to something else, whereas I could listen to Joni Mitchell for an hour straight and not blink an eye. It all comes down to personal opinion.

And what the heck is the difference between an artist and a singer? Is Mariah Carey a singer but not an artist? Is she an artist but not a singer? Sorry, but a singer is a recording artist, period.

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 04:50 PM
You still haven't explained the difference.

How can a singer (especially one at the top of a list) not be an artist?
Its so simple a singer can sings the songs but that doesnt mean they could write or produce it. Musician and artist are the same but thats why i used or. Im not saying you cant be both but in everyones defense as people are stating they dont like the music which in term is an opinion but a singer is someone who sings the song and if they could sing good. There is a difference between having a good voice and knowing how to sing. She in this case can do both. Someone can have good voice but when they sing they cant keep note, cant control their vocal tone, and keep up with shift in notes. You can have an ok voice but Know how to sing correctly like me. Also she does write and compose her own music

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 04:55 PM
NYCboy, why are you trying to prove something to be true when all this is based solely on opinion? Throw all the stats at it you want, but there's just as many stats that'll say something completely different.

Mariah has an impressive voice, but I find her style and her music to be too sappy, produced, commercial, and containing way too much egotistical over-the-top-diva-theatrical bulls***. Bottom line is I can stand about one song of hers at a time before I need to move on to something else, whereas I could listen to Joni Mitchell for an hour straight and not blink an eye. It all comes down to personal opinion.

And what the heck is the difference between an artist and a singer? Is Mariah Carey a singer but not an artist? Is she an artist but not a singer? Sorry, but a singer is a recording artist, period.

But didnt ask best singer not musician. You just answered your own question. You said she has an impressive voice(singer is the person who sings the song.) but you dont like her music(musician someone who writes the song from lyrics to instrumentals). As is stated in the previous post She has a voice and she can sing and she writes and compose her own music most of the time. Sometimes she cowrites it. And for artist can be put with musician but it is kind of both in terms of the way you put but i just put it with musician thats why i said or. Opinion is basicaly in fact. When you vote its based on opinion so if majority if people like somethng better than another in most cases mean that it is better because its liked by most people.

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 04:59 PM
Britains Q Magazine chooses Mariah Carey as one of the worst singers of all time.

"She may have a 100-octave range and the ability to sing so loudly that birds' nests fall from trees, but that doesn't make it right."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/elvis-is-still-the-king-438803.html

AND

Britains "The Word Magazine" chooses Mariah Carey as the worst singer of all time.

“All technique, gallons of surgery gloop, and not an atom of soul anywhere.”

http://www.popcrunch.com/mariah-carey-voted-worst-singer-of-all-time/
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/

ZippyTheChimp
February 16th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Its so simple a singer can sings the songs but that doesnt mean they could write or produce it.When the lists call them artists, they don't mean that they necessarily write the lyrics or music.


There is a difference between having a good voice and knowing how to sing.The difference is what makes them artists.

My point is that your dismissing the lists because they refer to singers as artists has no basis.

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Britains Q Magazine chooses Mariah Carey as one of the worst singers of all time.

"She may have a 100-octave range and the ability to sing so loudly that birds' nests fall from trees, but that doesn't make it right."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/elvis-is-still-the-king-438803.html

AND

Britains "The Word Magazine" chooses Mariah Carey as one of the worst singers of all time.

“All technique, gallons of surgery gloop, and not an atom of soul anywhere.”

http://www.popcrunch.com/mariah-carey-voted-worst-singer-of-all-time/
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/

Yeah so what they are saying Britany Spears sings better. Yeah right:rolleyes: Yet thar=t doesnt make any sense . People all around choose to buy her album but wait that magazine is not even a top publisher so why do i care.

ZippyTheChimp
February 16th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Amazing that you started this thread by citing records and lists, but when they don't work in your favor, you roll your eyes.

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 05:14 PM
Amazing that you started this thread by citing records and lists, but when they don't work in your favor, you roll your eyes.
They do didnt you read the last post with all the awards and rankings based on the people in this country. Also you know i was right because it seems only the brits thought that in small magazine. I mean in Japan they even let her throw the first memorial pitch for their baseball game.


All of this is from the billboard


Mariah had near 20 so how can than be fair. As i stated before she does have the most #1 singles (meaning that almost every single she came out with reached number one in the country as a solo artist) The people have spoken. She spent 79 weeks altogether at number 1 which is the most weeks at #1 Elvis had 79. Doesnt that mean her musi speaks to alot more people since she has as many sinlges that reach #1 as the Beatles.
One of her songs spent the most weeks at #1 than any other song which was 16. She has 3 #1 Debuts. She has 27 top 10 single hits. She is one out of 2 women who has 2 sinles occuping #1 spot and #2 spot. She is #3 under the producer with the most #1 hits with 14. #3 at songwriter with the most number one hits, 17. One of her songs in the top 10 of all time top 100 songs. She alsWorld o is one of the 7 queens of pop.


did These list not show you how many people in the world like her more than alot of artist.

Talk aout sales but here is the WORLDs(not just USA) top best selling music artist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._music_artists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists)
Best selling albums WORLD wide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...bums_worldwide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide)
Best Selling Singles WORLD wide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gles_worldwide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles_worldwide)

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 05:28 PM
Listen... these lists mean little. Maraiah Carey will be forgotten. She is not going to be a legend. The songs she sings are not memorable... no one will care in a few years.

Try to understand this: in the 1960's there was a woman who was the biggest selling female artist of the decade.

Name her. Who was it? Barbra Striesand? Diana Ross? Cher? Dionne Warwick? Nope. It's a singer named Connie Francis.... and no one knows who she is today. If you listen to her today... well, she was pretty awful... but she was the best selling female artist of the decade. And the 8th most popular artist of the 1960s "based on her chart success".

ZippyTheChimp
February 16th, 2009, 05:36 PM
And during that time, most people didn't know who Patsy Cline was until she died in a plane crash.

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 05:43 PM
Wo-o-o, whoa: Stop oversinging!
Bigger isn't better — particularly when it comes to modern pop music. Like a sinister disease that seems to infect every solo artist...

By Preston Jones
Fort Worth Star-Telegram


Like a sinister disease that seems to infect every solo artist who steps onstage, the practice of "oversinging" has become rampant — from Christina Aguilera and Mary J. Blige to Josh Groban and Meat Loaf, plenty of powerful vocalists are bending, stretching and otherwise torturing notes that don't deserve such brutal fates.

The oversinging trend can be traced back to the '80s, to the sunny, elastic pop of Whitney Houston, whose soaring sonic gymnastics begat the glass-shattering pipes of Mariah Carey, who begat an entire generation of would-be divas who overwork the upper reaches of their vocal ranges.

It's not pleasant. Nor is it really singing — it's more like screaming on key.

In a nation infatuated with "American Idol" and overnight sensations, the phenomenon of oversinging has become increasingly visible; the three "Idol" judges — Randy Jackson, Paula Abdul and Simon Cowell — often spend a solid month of shows watching one hopeful after another destroy pop standards by racing to the big note and forgetting bedrock necessities like tone, pitch or the right lyrics.

While you can accuse "Idol" of spreading the wretched practice, I'd also lay blame upon a culture that prizes succinct soundbites over substantive art — it's tempting to try to make your impact in 10 seconds rather than over a sustained three minutes, particularly given radio's proclivity for catchy, brief pop songs. If you can deliver a big, meaty vocal performance that's easily distilled to one enormous moment, you're golden — or at the very least, YouTube-able.

Popular music has always had its brassy, outsized voices. People like Ella Fitzgerald or Sarah Vaughan would power through one tune after another, blowing out the room — but they never did this at the expense of the song. Take a listen to Fitzgerald's reading of "It Don't Mean a Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)" or Vaughan's take on "Whatever Lola Wants," and you hear it: These performances are muscular and emotive yet never, ever out of proportion to the material. In the modern-day race to the splashy sound bite, we hear professionals and amateurs alike shoving aside everything else to get to that juicy high note; it seems that untrained ears too often think the ability to belt out choruses is a sign of high quality.

Frequently, music fans tell me that this "oversinging stuff" is all in my head: "What do you mean Christina Aguilera was no good at the Grammys? She sounded great!" is the kind of response I get, suggesting that not only is the phenomenon approaching epidemic levels and poisoning people's ears, it's leading them to believe that impossibly contorted vocal performances — Katharine McPhee's single "Over It," the whole of Kelly Clarkson's "Thankful," Clay Aiken's discography to date — are the new gold standard.

In an effort to clear up confusion and convince myself that I'm not sliding down a critical rabbit hole, I consulted Melinda Imthurn, a local voice instructor who teaches at Dallas' Mountain View College and is artistic director of the Women's Chorus of Dallas.

"Since oversinging is not a technical term, it's hard to define," Imthurn writes in an e-mail. "To one person it might mean pushing the voice beyond healthy singing technique, while to another it might mean embellishing a song too much, sometimes to the point where the melody is no longer recognizable."

Without a doubt, a popular target for critical derision is the omnipresent "American Idol." The ever-growing success of this glorified talent contest must serve as a barometer for not only aspiring performers but also for people in the music industry — after all, success begets success: If the kids fall all over themselves to vote for a consistent oversinger on "Idol," they'll no doubt queue up in massive numbers to buy a CD, right?

What's most aggravating — and what is often conveniently excised from most "Idol" broadcasts — is that with proper training and practice, people who constantly aim for the top of their range can be brought back down to earth and sing cleanly and coherently. Most, if not all, of these oversingers could be productive, pleasing artists whose music is a joy to hear rather than a nightmare to be forgotten. Speaking as a product of a couple years' worth of high school choir instruction, I can certainly vouch for the results of taking it slow and learning the basics of vocal performance.

While many of the divas guilty of letting it rip in the higher registers — here's lookin' at you, Celine and Mariah — have sustained long, profitable careers as purveyors of staunchly middlebrow music, there's the possibility that oversinging can do some damage, not the least of which is losing the very voice that's raking in the bucks.

Imthurn doesn't think "American Idol" necessarily leads to vocal problems. "I guess it's a chicken-or-the-egg kind of thing," she says. "Do people oversing because they see it on 'American Idol,' or do people oversing on 'American Idol' because they think it's what people want to hear? I don't know."

The cynic in me can't help but feel it's the latter.

If one performer after another didn't succeed on "Idol" — Taylor Hicks, Justin Guarini, Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood — by singing tunes built to soar, the impressionable TV nation wouldn't latch onto the technique as viable. Just as industry types look at the ratings of "Idol" and salivate over potential sales, so do unknown wannabes who can taste that ticket to fame. It's a vicious cycle that perpetuates sloppy singing and clogs the marketplace with third-rate vocalists whose reductive work is pedestrian at best.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/entertainment/2003633250_oversinging26.html

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 06:31 PM
Listen... these lists mean little. Maraiah Carey will be forgotten. She is not going to be a legend. The songs she sings are not memorable... no one will care in a few years.

Try to understand this: in the 1960's there was a woman who was the biggest selling female artist of the decade.

Name her. Who was it? Barbra Striesand? Diana Ross? Cher? Dionne Warwick? Nope. It's a singer named Connie Francis.... and no one knows who she is today. If you listen to her today... well, she was pretty awful... but she was the best selling female artist of the decade. And the 8th most popular artist of the 1960s "based on her chart success".
what does that have to do with the topic. Oh thats why her christmas gets played every year. Wait then why are you being a hypocrite. You were the first one to post a list.:p You are not young. Everybody knows that in my generation we dont care. People say they wont forget Michael Jackson but after your generation dies who will? These list do matter. If they come up with a grestest of all time list it rarely changes.

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Oh thats why her christmas gets played every year.

It means nothing about whether she is the greatest singer or not.

There is a singer called Brenda Lee... they have been playing her Christmas recording every Christmas for the last 50 years. It is one of the biggest selling Christmas songs of all time... and she is one of the US's biggest selling female artists of her time... yet I bet you have no idea who she is.


These list do matter. If they come up with a grestest of all time list it rarely changes.

Not true. They sure do change with time. 25 years ago the top female recording artists were singers like Pat Benatar. Ever heard of her? No one cares today. Singers like Helen Reddy, Maria Muldaur, Anne Murry... all HUGE 30 years ago... mostly forgotten now.

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lofter1
February 16th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Yeah, you tell him NYCboy1212 (so young he lists his age twice) ...

C'mon, Fabrizio you old Fart: What the feck do you know about singing anyway?

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Yeah, you tell him NYCboy1212 (so young he lists his age twice) ...

C'mon, Fabrizio you old Fart: What the feck do you know about singing anyway?
Thats not my age :p and if you knew anything thats the phone area code for Manhattan. Dont like your sarcasm. :mad:

scumonkey
February 16th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Then your generation needs to learn how to tell
quality singing with a nice dry sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI7gzXz1cHo

from wet syrupy gloppity glup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAU1wkVfaI

From:
http://www.blender.com/images/logo.gif
http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=819
Mariah Carey
“Emotions”
It’s hard to pick just one song from Mariah’s stunning catalog of bland R&B schmaltz, but this song is as good as any. What sets this apart from most of her other run-of-the-mill wretch-inducing hits is that this song is punctuated by a series of self-indulgent, piercing shrieks that I imagine were included to showcase here amazing vocal range. Whatever.
—Sharxfan

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 07:16 PM
C'mon, Fabrizio you old Fart: What the feck do you know about singing anyway?

Please tell me how many other tap dancers could really sing? People came to see my turns and double-pull backs... so screw you.

lofter1
February 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Dont like your sarcasm. :mad:

Tough nuts.

Don't like yer taste in music.

lofter1
February 16th, 2009, 07:23 PM
... wet syrupy gloppity glup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAU1wkVfaI

The voice is actually worse when not competing with the visual of rosey cheeks & mounds.

.................................................. .................................................. ......:eek:

lofter1
February 16th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Please tell me how many other tap dancers could really sing?

At least some tap dancers had enough moxie to parlay their talents into a string of hit films.

And so what if it meant playing second fiddle to a bleating ass?

lofter1
February 16th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Speaking of a bleating ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VNCeaxADws) ...

lofter1
February 16th, 2009, 07:33 PM
One would almost think that is an early scene from her bio-pic of Catherine the Great ...

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 07:39 PM
Tough nuts.

Don't like yer taste in music.
wierdo"tough nuts". You dont even know what type of music i like. I like ovr 30 types of genre of music so maybe you need to watch what you say. Am i to young for you.

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 07:46 PM
High notes combined with talent.... Maya Rudolphs mother, the ultra fabulous Minnie Riperton...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auYCXBzep9o&feature=related

NYCboy1212
February 16th, 2009, 08:15 PM
High notes combined with talent.... Maya Rudolphs mother, the ultra fabulous Minnie Riperton...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auYCXBzep9o&feature=related
Everyone Knows this but Mariah does it better.

Fabrizio
February 16th, 2009, 08:37 PM
She can't hit those high notes anymore... her voice is shot... it sounds sloppy and wobbly... and she now looks like a Muppet or RuPaul (but not as feminine). This is what she sounds like singing live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4L12BXyFPg

And this is Shirley Bassey at 68 years old ...at the end of a concert where she had been singing all night. This is what a real Diva is. Mariah Carey would have to stand on a ladder to kiss her a$$:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpK_1Anu1k&feature=related

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195Broadway
February 16th, 2009, 09:23 PM
A giant in the business..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo-Y_Vb0wsw

NoyokA
February 16th, 2009, 10:43 PM
There's no right or wrong, its a subjective issue.

BrooklynRider
February 16th, 2009, 11:33 PM
I saw Sharleen Spiteri two weeks ago in Manchester and she has a fantastic voice.

Move over Dusty Springfield...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtfctFX17c4

Bronxbombers
February 17th, 2009, 01:34 AM
I saw Jennifer Lopez live-in-concert on Friday,October 19th,2007 at Staples Center in downtown Los Angeles. I saw Gloria Estefan live-in-concert at the Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim (the Honda Center) in Anaheim,CA. on August 15th,2004. I saw Cyndi Lauper during her True Colors in Los Angeles,CA. during 1987. And I saw Debbie Gibson at the Fabolous Forum near Los Angeles,CA. during 1987. More my favorite male singers are Ozzy Osbounre who I saw at Staples Center in Downtown Los Angeles on Friday,November 30th,2007,Ted Nugent and more than I can name.

kz1000ps
February 17th, 2009, 09:05 AM
Everyone Knows this but Mariah does it better.

Dude, that's an OPINION, not a fact. And judging by the way you've been presenting yourself in this thread, you don't understand the difference between the two.

This thread is stupid.

(And for the record, Minnie's song "Inside My Love" is out of this world...)

NYCboy1212
February 17th, 2009, 09:19 AM
Dude, that's an OPINION, not a fact. And judging by the way you've been presenting yourself in this thread, you don't understand the difference between the two.

This thread is stupid.

(And for the record, Minnie's song "Inside My Love" is out of this world...)
Um excuse me i know the difference and i meant to say Everyone knows this, (as in everyone knows this song). But if it is opinion then we shouldnt use words like greatest or best in anything that can have an opinion also. Cause then they would be obsolete but as i stated before if majority of the people voted for something wouldnt that mean that more people like that thing better which means it is better in an overall aspect?

NYCboy1212
February 17th, 2009, 09:20 AM
She can't hit those high notes anymore... her voice is shot... it sounds sloppy and wobbly... and she now looks like a Muppet or RuPaul (but not as feminine). This is what she sounds like singing live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4L12BXyFPg

And this is Shirley Bassey at 68 years old ...at the end of a concert where she had been singing all night. This is what a real Diva is. Mariah Carey would have to stand on a ladder to kiss her a$$:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpK_1Anu1k&feature=related

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Shes loding her voice. Its a problem with her nodules and she is afraid to take the surgery becuase she might lose her voice. That doesnt mean she didnt leave her mark on history. You would lose your voice eventually if you do the same voice stretching songs for nearly 20 years.

kz1000ps
February 17th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Cause then they would be obsolete but as i stated before if majority of the people voted for something wouldnt that mean that more people like that thing better which means it is better in an overall aspect?

Bush won in '04... does that automatically make him better than Kerry?

lofter1
February 17th, 2009, 09:32 AM
If, as NYCboy1212 says, MC is losing her voice then this thread needs a re-titling (please choose):

a) The Formerly Greatest Singer in the World

b) She Used to Be Able to Sing But Now She Can't

c) Even a Gazillion Records Sold Can't Save Her

d) Mariah Carey: The Next Julie Andrews?

NYCboy1212
February 17th, 2009, 09:34 AM
Bush won in '04... does that automatically make him better than Kerry?
Thats why i asked and second it only counts in some cases where most believe that election was rigged.

nycla3
February 17th, 2009, 09:53 AM
Wow, I thought "What is your Zip Code?" was the silliest thread ever, but at least numbers aren't subjective.

I'm almost motivated to start a thread "What is the Stupidest Thread Ever," to bookend this one, but there's no sense going down another rabbit hole. Arguing over who the best singer is? And drawing lines in the sand when someone doesn't agree with your choice?

OK...just checked...everything is spelled correctly on my post. Best post ever.

Never mind, the fact that I responded makes it the worst post ever. I'm banning myself for a week.

Fabrizio
February 17th, 2009, 10:18 AM
If she is losing her voice at only 38 years old, it is because she was not singing correctly.

Opera and Broadway singers have a much more heavy schedule and they go on for decades.

Ella Fitzgerald was still sounding fine past 60. Cher is in her 60's. Shirley Bassey gives concerts at 72.

Here's Barbara Cook in concert at 80 years old... this is technique. She's singing live and there is a just a piano playing... nothing covering up crap. This is a Diva. Listen to her from 3:30 on.... clear as a bell... yeah right... Mariah Carey indeed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHloHH9KwQc

And listen to this... 80 folks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4ydauvjiE&feature=related

Barbra Cook at about 25 yrs old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0vggMCiJfs&feature=related

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ZippyTheChimp
February 17th, 2009, 10:33 AM
The operatic equivalent of Mariah Carey is Paul Potts.

Ninjahedge
February 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM
The key is simple.

Maria has marketing and flash.

Madonna can't sing worth a hoot and she has been training at it for YEARS (I respect her for that and her management, remarkable what a moderately attractive OK pop singer from the 80's can do with the right direction....).

Most of the artists out there may or may not have good voices, but even ones like Whitney did not have GREAT voices. Whitney could belt out a tune, but she did not have dynamic range, she could not sing w/o vibrato on every note, and the embellishments were sickening.

I think, if you were ONLY looking at pop stars, that Maria would definitely be a contender, but we are avoiding even recent singers like Jewel (she needs more training) and Tori Amos.

OK, people can debate on Tori... ;)

The bottom line is, Maria is not the best singer ever. She has not been the best by artistic standards, or popularity standards. Posting a thread saying "Greatest in the world" and THEN asking what other people think is really setting yourself up for an argument.

You really have to look around before you make a statement like that and invite others in to challenge it.

1212, the mere fact that you got angry that someone called you 12 points the finger at your youth. Saying a 30 year old is 12 will get a laugh. Calling a 15 year old 12 will get you a "no i am not!!" (notice the lower case "i" ;) )


You are allowed your opinion, but when you come in like this, don't get pissed and defensive when people disagree.

ZippyTheChimp
February 18th, 2009, 05:41 PM
The smoke alarm at the beginning was a good indicator of what was coming.


So who's the greatest dancer in the world?

Fabrizio
February 18th, 2009, 06:13 PM
It's a toss up between Rudolf Nureyev and Michail Blagojevich.

kz1000ps
February 18th, 2009, 06:22 PM
Maria has marketing and flash.

Who is this "Maria" you speak of? ;)

lofter1
February 18th, 2009, 06:43 PM
It's a toss up between Rudolf Nureyev and Michail Blagojevich.

LMFAO ....

But who knew that the Blagojevich boy can sing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgBRVY6RHTo&feature=related)?

Ninjahedge
February 19th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Who is this "Maria" you speak of? ;)

Sorry

Maria + Pariah = Mariah


Like I Carey.

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 01:53 PM
I Found out that she had a nose job so that and how much she stresses her voice can result in voice change. I also heard that to save her voice she wont be talking for a while.

Heres a nice performance by her for a song off here latest album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5HjNG_cFz8

Heres an extra video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKsQD1Lsk4

scumonkey
April 4th, 2009, 02:31 PM
that's 30 seconds of my life i'll never get back ;)

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2009, 03:07 PM
^ I lasted for 15 seconds.

By now this stuff looks almost retro: same dance moves, same costumes, same set design, fireworks, smoke and lighting that we've been seeing over and over and over again since Janet Jackson did it 15 years ago. Who cares? At least Jackson's stuff always had a dose of art and perfection.


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NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 05:34 PM
Did you know she was the most successful artist to come out of the 90s.

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 05:59 PM
Here is some of the songs and there entirety.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSd08_ceDj8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SvA90J-YqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzeMzo_4pxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbsgDpT6Jnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QapwJpAe7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sKphEqypjg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlyVcQ8GmK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoBdt9L_DPA

scumonkey
April 4th, 2009, 06:25 PM
Not enough Dramamine in the world, to tempt me
to click on any of those links :eek:

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 07:19 PM
The bottom line is, Maria is not the best singer ever. She has not been the best by artistic standards, or popularity standards. Posting a thread saying "Greatest in the world" and THEN asking what other people think is really setting yourself up for an argument.

You really have to look around before you make a statement like that and invite others in to challenge it.

1212, the mere fact that you got angry that someone called you 12 points the finger at your youth. Saying a 30 year old is 12 will get a laugh. Calling a 15 year old 12 will get you a "no i am not!!" (notice the lower case "i" ;) )



really. She sold over 200 million albums world wide, has the most number 1 singles for a Solo artist, has more than 1 number 1 debut songs, has 2 albums that are one of the best selling albums in the world, she is in the top 5 of both writer and producer with the most number 1 singles, won numerous amounts of awards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Mariah_Carey, and she was made the list of TIME magazines 100 most influential people http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1733748_1733752_1735744,00.html

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Then your generation needs to learn how to tell
quality singing with a nice dry sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI7gzXz1cHo

from wet syrupy gloppity glup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAU1wkVfaI

From:
http://www.blender.com/images/logo.gif
http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=819
Mariah Carey
“Emotions”
It’s hard to pick just one song from Mariah’s stunning catalog of bland R&B schmaltz, but this song is as good as any. What sets this apart from most of her other run-of-the-mill wretch-inducing hits is that this song is punctuated by a series of self-indulgent, piercing shrieks that I imagine were included to showcase here amazing vocal range. Whatever.
—Sharxfan
So funny, Blender was the same magazine that named Mariah Carey singer with the Best Voice.

lofter1
April 4th, 2009, 07:30 PM
And "Fast and Furious 4 (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/original-cast-starts-fast-furious-ly-52m-wkd-for-biggest-april-opening-ever/)" pulled in over $30M on its first day of release this Friday and is poised to become the biggest movie to ever open in April -- despite rotten reviews (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_furious/).

Everything in context ...

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 07:38 PM
:cool:
During Carey's career, her vocal and musical style, along with her level of success, has been compared to Whitney Houston and Celine Dion. Carey and her peers, according to Garry Mulholland, are "the princesses of wails [...] virtuoso vocalists who blend chart-oriented pop with mature MOR torch song".[120] In She Bop II: The Definitive History of Women in Rock, Pop and Soul (2002), writer Lucy O'Brien attributed the comeback of Barbra Streisand's "old-fashioned showgirl" to Carey and Dion, and described them and Houston as "groomed, airbrushed and overblown to perfection".[121] Carey's musical transition and use of more revealing clothing during the late 1990s were, in part, initiated to distance herself from this image, and she subsequently said that most of her early work was "schmaltzy MOR".[121] Some have noted that unlike Houston and Dion, Carey co-writes her own songs, and the Guinness Rockopedia (1998) classified her as the "songbird supreme".[122]

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2009, 07:38 PM
All of that money and she looks like the owner of a nail salon.

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 07:42 PM
And "Fast and Furious 4 (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/original-cast-starts-fast-furious-ly-52m-wkd-for-biggest-april-opening-ever/)" pulled in over $30M on its first day of release this Friday and is poised to become the biggest movie to ever open in April -- despite rotten reviews (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_furious/).

Everything in context ...

I think there is a difference between movies and music. For example you can hear the songs before you buy the album. Movies all you see is the trailer and sometimes sneak previews but to see the whole thing you have to pay.

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 08:09 PM
And "Fast and Furious 4 (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/original-cast-starts-fast-furious-ly-52m-wkd-for-biggest-april-opening-ever/)" pulled in over $30M on its first day of release this Friday and is poised to become the biggest movie to ever open in April -- despite rotten reviews (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_furious/).

Everything in context ...

bad reviews i dont think so. Here is a review for that song i posted from her latest album.

Here is the song again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQCkV9NWlXQ


Reviews for "I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time" have been generally positive. Fox News said that the song "adds just enough of a new twist to create the most elusive thing of all: a radio smash."[6] The remix was reviewed by Blender, who noted that the song was a "late, great entry into the Song of the Summer Sweepstakes".[7] Entertainment Weekly said that the song "never lose[s its] soulful spirit"[8] while Allmusic stated that the song "has a lightness that so much of E=MC2 lacks".[9] On its website, The Republican called "I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time" a song "that's destined for hits-ville".[10] Pitchfork Media said that its "laidback beat, syncopated piano, occasional ascending strings, and pleasant T.I. verse make 'I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time' a pretty perfect roller rink jam [and] a nice breather in between repeat listens of 'Love in This Club'.[11] Us Weekly stated that the "soul-drenched" song would be a likely chart-topper.[12]
In its preview of E=MC2, MTV described the single a "joyful romp"[13] while VH1's preview described the song as "pure and utter joy [and] one hundred percent feel-good" and that it was "the first song that felt like the work of unstoppable pop genius."[14]
Slant Magazine said that the song is "everything you want" and that it shows "Mariah simultaneously in ridiculous mode and also pathologically free of irony or self-awareness." They described the sound as "a hyperventilating cross between a graduation anthem and an early-'80s family sitcom theme song" and stated that having DJ Toomp produce the song was "a stroke of genius".[15] Also, in its review of E=MC2, the Los Angeles Times said that "I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time" has Carey testing her "registers and dynamics" and that "her singing is so direct, understated and unglamorous it's almost shocking — like seeing a diva without makeup."[16]
For the weekend of August 30 and August 31, 2008, the song was Vernon Kay's Weekend Anthem on BBC Radio 1.

scumonkey
April 4th, 2009, 08:27 PM
The better you can blow a reviewer, the better your reviews tend to be,
Regardless of how talentless you are.;)

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2009, 08:42 PM
It sounds like music for poor people.

NYCboy1212
April 4th, 2009, 09:06 PM
It sounds like music for poor people.

oh wow, now i know you dont know good music. This type of comment is pure ignorance and stupidity not to mention immaturity.

Fabrizio
April 4th, 2009, 10:31 PM
Actually you're right... most of the Guidettes in Jersey come from families with money.

Ninjahedge
April 6th, 2009, 09:50 AM
I think there is a difference between movies and music. For example you can hear the songs before you buy the album. Movies all you see is the trailer and sometimes sneak previews but to see the whole thing you have to pay.


Not really.

Hanson is extremely popular and lots of adolescents buy their albums.

I think they are annoying little kids that are filling a gap.

Again, just because someone can sell themselves does not make them the best at what is being sold.

ZippyTheChimp
April 6th, 2009, 10:04 AM
NYCboy:

Why this need to prove that Carey is the "greatest singer in the world?"

A rather subjective title. The "most financially successful" or "most popular" are more objective, and it's what you're falling back on. I hear that guy running North Korea is really really popular.

What do you care what others think? Can't you just enjoy her music, or do you have to justify the shrieking?

nycla3
April 6th, 2009, 11:25 AM
oh wow, now i know you dont know good music. This type of comment is pure ignorance and stupidity not to mention immaturity.

Are you seriously trying to get us to be fans by your force of nature? You should know it has had the opposite effect and now I really don't like her and think she's the worst singer ever as opposed to even giving her a passing thought.

Well done.

kz1000ps
April 6th, 2009, 11:30 AM
This thread deserves a Darwin Award for futility.

NYCboy1212
April 6th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Are you seriously trying to get us to be fans by your force of nature? You should know it has had the opposite effect and now I really don't like her and think she's the worst singer ever as opposed to even giving her a passing thought.

Well done.
I dont really care any more. Can a mod just close this thread down or something.:cool:

Ninjahedge
April 6th, 2009, 04:34 PM
Just stop posting.

The only thing that kept it floating were your replies.

NYCboy1212
April 6th, 2009, 05:44 PM
Just one more thing even Aretha Franklin and Whitney Houston like Mariah Carey. They've sung together numerous times and Aretha also sang some of Mariahs songs at her concert.

scumonkey
April 6th, 2009, 05:54 PM
Just because someone has famous friends, and
sings songs with them, does not mean
they have any talent at all...
I lived in an apartment beneath the lead singer from "The
Platters", we sang together when we ran into each other in the elevator.
HE sounded fantastic- i however, sound sounded like a farm
animal passing gas.....sorta what Pariahs Scary sounds like lately ;)

Fabrizio
April 6th, 2009, 05:56 PM
Aretha Franklin also sang with Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi.

NYCboy1212
April 6th, 2009, 05:57 PM
Just because someone has famous friends, and
sings songs with them, does not mean
they have any talent at all...
I lived in an apartment beneath the lead singer from "The
Platters", we sang together when we ran into each other in the elevator.
HE sounded fantastic- i however, sound sounded like a farm
animal passing gas.....sorta what Pariahs Scary sounds like lately ;)
Did i say anything about her having famous friends. I said how great artist like Aretha who you guys stated likes her music. I mean someone who knows music likes the music of someone untalented. I doubt that.

Fabrizio
April 6th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Aretha also sang with the Chipmunks.

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Not to change the subject or anything but:



I lived in an apartment beneath the lead singer from "The
Platters", we sang together when we ran into each other in the elevator.

Just curious: was this on W57th street by any chance?

scumonkey
April 6th, 2009, 06:22 PM
Why yes it was (Building goes through to 58th)
I had a view of central park, and the edge of the (now gone) coliseum!!!
spill the dirt....

Fabrizio
April 6th, 2009, 07:21 PM
I was the cute guy on the 3rd floor.... 58th street side.

scumonkey
April 6th, 2009, 07:25 PM
Funny how 2 people, with naturally superior, and refined tastes for true virtuosi,
should discover they unknowingly inhabited the same building years ago,
on a thread purporting the superior talent of a mediocre pop diva :)
I lived on the floor under the penthouse (17 or 18th- 58th st side as well), a long time ago in 1984-85 .
I was in the elevator one day, and in stepped two people, husband/wife,
who happened to be singing"Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" to each other,
(NYCboy1212 might not be familiar with that song).
They were so awesome I had to comment,"Wow- you sound exactly like the record",
to which they replied "We ARE the record!" :D

Fabrizio
April 6th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Them were the days. Did you know there was an infamous Escort service that operated out of an apartment there? We had the Platters... call girls... it was fun.

scumonkey
April 6th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Shhhhh! (shouldn't be telling viewers how i got my start);)

Fabrizio
April 6th, 2009, 08:02 PM
I had to leave when my roomate won "The $50,000 Pyramid" and he wanted to move to a better place.

NYCboy1212
April 6th, 2009, 09:58 PM
Funny how 2 people, with naturally superior, and refined tastes for true virtuosi,
should discover they unknowingly inhabited the same building years ago,
on a thread purporting the superior talent of a mediocre pop diva :)
I lived on the floor under the penthouse (17 or 18th- 58th st side as well), a long time ago in 1984-85 .
I was in the elevator one day, and in stepped two people, husband/wife,
who happened to be singing"Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" to each other,
(NYCboy1212 might not be familiar with that song).
They were so awesome I had to comment,"Wow- you sound exactly like the record",
to which they replied "We ARE the record!" :D

oh im sorry we cant be all rich and senile. You guys seem a little bias. Let me guess you probably dont like any of the new music out today. Dont worry, you can admit it. Its been like for decades. Where adults do like the music of the young people but when the young people become older its like their children dont know good music. Hey if you move with the times its your lost at youth. Thats thing about my generation, we keep moving forward. Hey but it just seems like most but not all people are like that. For example my parents grandparents and great grandparents and there brothers and sisters. Alot of them enjoy the old days but are fascinated with todays advancements and new styles. To be more specific, my grandmother, who works at the UN, has grew up with alot of the artist stated here and she loves Michael Jackson and Aretha Franklin, etc but she is not afraid to move forward and listen to the music today. She enjoys the type of music that makes want to dance. Slow songs are nice but that was long ago. This generation is fast paced. Maybe im just to diverse for you. As i stated before i like almost all types of music. Im interested in many genres of movies. Im in to a whole lot of things while other people go with certain packs.

ZippyTheChimp
April 6th, 2009, 10:04 PM
Just say the word when you want the thread locked down.

scumonkey
April 6th, 2009, 10:13 PM
oh im sorry we cant be all rich and senileToo bad- maybe that way you could forget about all these absurd claims you keep making about this screeching harpy:D
And sorry to bust your bubble- I listen to all types of music (from around the world)
- as long as it doesn't sound like fingers on the chalk board-like everything Pariah Scary does;)

brianac
April 7th, 2009, 06:21 AM
Just say the word when you want the thread locked down.

It would be a pity to close the thread as it has become very interesting (if you can ignore the Maria Carey piffle).

Particullarly the revelations coming from scumonkey and Fabrizio.

Let it run a bit and maybe the piffle will go away.

Sweetest voice, Karen Carpenter.

Best Singer, tough,
Eydie Gorme. Keely Smith, Sarah Vaughan, June Christy, Ella Fitzgerald, Ella Mae Morse, Margaret Whiting, take your pick.

Fabrizio
April 7th, 2009, 07:45 AM
most underrated (she should have smoked cigarettes and sung jazz) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlbOlXKaQ0

Seriously good singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV5ynRFzrIM&feature=related

Listen to the impeccable technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPs0H4cydGU&feature=related

---

ZippyTheChimp
April 7th, 2009, 08:12 AM
It would be a pity to close the thread as it has become very interesting (if you can ignore the Maria Carey piffle).

"Offer becomes void on additional posts. Administrative fee required for a subsequent request."

brianac
April 7th, 2009, 08:52 AM
"Offer becomes void on additional posts. Administrative fee required for a subsequent request."

Can I pay using unwanted Maria Carey CD's.

Ninjahedge
April 7th, 2009, 09:30 AM
Best example of talent + no talent would be the live version of Tommy, in which you had Elton John singing with Billy Idol.

Not that Elton has the best voice in the world, but he definitely has (or rather HAD before his Disney sellout) much more tallent than Billy could ever hope to out sneer.

White wedding or not.


As for "senile", that is absolutely comical. Nobody here is trying to proclaim that music was better in "the good old days". AAMOF, most of the tunes from the 80's are absolutely HORRID due to everyone trying to get that new synthesizer sound. Even Herby Hancock, incredible jaz musician, gave us that dubious marker of the 80's, "Rockit" (Only "surpassed" by the famous BHC song, "Axel-F").

Noone here is touting Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra above all else, but one still has to admit that in the "old days" you had to have a damn good voice (in most cases) or you were not even considered worthy of recording. They did not have mixers, reverbs and distortion like we do today, and they sure as HELL don't have those annoying auto-tuners (although that would have helped that AWFUL flat tune "Lady in Red").

I guess it all boils down to this 1212. You may like MC, but if you REALLY think she is the "best", you really need to go to some of these record shops (they still call them that even though they mostly sell CD's) and start listening through different things. Find out the soul, R+B, and blues roots of todays singers. Find the different things that gave them root.

You WILL learn a lot.

You may think that White Zin is the BESTEST wine you have ever tasted, until you start tasting others and realize that Zin is just alcoholic fruit juice. The same goes for music.

Finally, if you EVER want to convince someone of something, you donot start wth a question, then shoot down every answer that disagrees with your own opinion. You will not win anyone over and you will not make any friends.

That is, perhaps, the best lesson you could learn from all of this. By forcing your opinion on others and getting angry at them for not feeling the same way, you have alienated a bunch of people that could have probably taught you a lot.




Zip, if you do not mind my last post here, I would lock this before it starts flaming again. We are done here.

Ninjahedge
April 7th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Oops....

I did not know this went another page!!!

Zip, split the wheat from the Carey chaff and start another thread.

TYVMIA.

ZippyTheChimp
April 7th, 2009, 11:24 AM
Can I pay using unwanted Maria Carey CD's.As a result of this thread, Mariah Carey currency has become unstable, and will no longer be accepted as legal tender.


Zip, split the wheat from the Carey chaff and start another thread.

TYVMIA.No need to do anything.


@NYCboy1212: In regarding this discussion as a battle between "old" and "new" music, I think you've missed the intention.

The Greatest Anything, even if you can make an objective selection, has to stand the test of time, to be viewed apart from contemporary influence. That's why examples were given from decades ago, not only of great singers, but those considered great at that time, who when removed from their popularity, were shown to be mediocre at best.

I think the same thing will happen to Mariah Carey.

There are a lot of things that I see and hear now, and think, "Damn, I used to like this?"

brianac
April 7th, 2009, 03:18 PM
As a result of this thread, Mariah Carey currency has become unstable, and will no longer be accepted as legal tender.

That's me finished then. I'll have to use them as coasters.

ZippyTheChimp
April 7th, 2009, 03:35 PM
The Greatest Bar Accessory in the World!

Fabrizio
April 7th, 2009, 04:27 PM
I was not aware of this but, way out west they have a name for wind and rain and fire: the rain is "Tess", the fire's "Joe" and they call the wind "Mariah".

In South Jersey, we just call it the f-ckin' rain, the f-ckin' fire and the f-ckin' wind.

NYCboy1212
April 7th, 2009, 04:39 PM
As a result of this thread, Mariah Carey currency has become unstable, and will no longer be accepted as legal tender.

No need to do anything.


@NYCboy1212: In regarding this discussion as a battle between "old" and "new" music, I think you've missed the intention.

The Greatest Anything, even if you can make an objective selection, has to stand the test of time, to be viewed apart from contemporary influence. That's why examples were given from decades ago, not only of great singers, but those considered great at that time, who when removed from their popularity, were shown to be mediocre at best.

I think the same thing will happen to Mariah Carey.

There are a lot of things that I see and hear now, and think, "Damn, I used to like this?"

But i was talking about today. Ive listened to alot of those old school artist but some of them barely have a voice that differentiates from each other. Do any of you like new music as i think i asked before. Today for example those songs by Doris Day are sometimes used as elevator songs. Not to disrespect but the type of music is not current.

Come on, you cant tell me that these songs aren't good(im not talking about singing but only in some of the songs)


Vision of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSd08_ceDj8

My All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SvA90J-YqM

I Dont Wanna Cry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sKphEqypjg

We Belong Together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoBdt9L_DPA

Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlS8Oerx8o&feature=related

Ill be there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52d20PK_Kyk

One Sweet Day(spent 16 weeks a number 1, more than any other song ever)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzeMzo_4pxA

and Fun and upbeat songs like these.

Emotions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlyVcQ8GmK0

Fantasy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7iyjsLlsyk


Someday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NreMkXWXdnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNKZE62LCo

Always Be My Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QapwJpAe7w

Its like That
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IK-XXmttxw

Don't Forget About Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE-St7cfoKo

scumonkey
April 7th, 2009, 05:04 PM
The above links should come with a warning:
Caution all links to Pariah Scary Shrieks!

Come on, you cant tell me that these songs aren't goodHold on....let me finish wiping my mouth off from that trip to the loo......These Songs Aren't Good! ;):rolleyes::cool:

NYCboy1212
April 7th, 2009, 05:25 PM
The above links should come with a warning:
Caution all links to Pariah Scary Shrieks!
Hold on....let me finish wiping my mouth off from that trip to the loo......These Songs Aren't Good! ;):rolleyes::cool:

Bet you never listened to them. Its like judging a book by its cover. What do you consider good. Again you might just be bias towards the old music. Obviously most of the world who buys music doesn't think so. Hence her being one of the Best Selling Artist in the World and Most Successful artist of the 90s and 00s, Atleast i have the courtesy to click your links and listen to them.

Fabrizio
April 7th, 2009, 05:39 PM
One test of a song is if it is sung and recorded by other singers. Have any of those songs been covered by others? Another test is if it can change with various music styles.

Cole Porter's songs, as just one example, are still being recorded today.

"I've Got You Under My Skin" was written in the 1930s... over 70 years ago.... yet every decade since then the song resurfaces and becomes reinterpreted all over again. From Frank Sinatra to The 4 Seasons to Neneh Cherry. Gloria Gaynor did a disco version. It was a hit for U2.

Here Rolling Stone lists their greatest 500 songs of all time. ( from the Rock period onward). If you can find a Mariah Carey song please report back to us:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs

NYCboy1212
April 7th, 2009, 05:47 PM
The test of a song is if it is sung and recorded by other singers. Have any of those songs been covered by others? Another test is if it can change with various music styles.

Cole Porter's songs, as just one example, are still being recorded today.

"I've Got You Under My Skin" was written in the 1930s... over 70 years ago.... yet every decade since then the song resurfaces and becomes reinterpreted all over again. From Frank Sinatra to The 4 Seasons to Neneh Cherry. Gloria Gaynor did a disco version. It was a hit for U2.

Rarely people do that today. As of atleast 2007 to now. Look she started in the 90s but there really haas been any song from the 90s that have been repeated. Some songs people cant repeat because they are hard to sing but they are really good though like Vision of Love.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSd08_ceDj8
No new artist today has the voice that you need to sing those types of songs.

NYCboy1212
April 7th, 2009, 06:05 PM
Here Rolling Stone lists their greatest 500 songs of all time. ( from the Rock period onward). If you can find a Mariah Carey song please report back to us:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs

I asked for your opinion and you haven't given me a truthful opinion cause you didn't listen to any of the songs.

Notice how almost every single one of the artist are not making music today or barely any recent artist.

Also notice how i said the songs are good but you pointed out songs that are named the GREATEST of all time. Did i say that?

scumonkey
April 7th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Excuse me....I gave you the courtesy of clicking on every one of those squalid links-
how else would I know that they were ALL -indeed- Pariah Scary shrieking her head off?
Here is an old fart- who is up on current music-globally
Grew up with a father who DJ'd for ABC on the Radio through the 50/60's
and personally dj'd for 5 years in in a bar, found in the preppy handbook as the last place to be caught dead or alive in;)
I could give a rats a$$ about all those meaningless titles you keep ranting about...
I would rather listen to a variety of good average music than ANYTHING found in your links!
Here are a few links- all songs i feel blow away anything you linked.
All modern recordings-of varying styles- that this dinosaur would rather listen to, and with your same caution in mind:

im not talking about singing but only in some of the songsAlso:
This is not what i usually listen to but, rather songs you might be better be able to relate to in you tender youth
PS- if you truly listen to these it will take you a bit of time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzybCqkSc8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCq71KGowNA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEmkmdy4kPE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToW56Hj3U0w

http://www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElY5Gr845Fw)/watch?v=ElY5Gr845Fw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElY5Gr845Fw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iraoHE6JlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWFi6Yh_tw&feature=related

NYCboy1212
April 7th, 2009, 06:21 PM
Excuse me....I gave you the courtesy of clicking on every one of those squalid links-
how else would I know that they were ALL -indeed- Pariah Scary shrieking her head off?
Here is an old fart- who is up on current music-globally
Grew up with a father who DJ'd for ABC on the Radio through the 50/60's
and personally dj'd for 5 years in in a bar, found in the preppy handbook as the last place to be caught dead or alive in;)
I could give a rats a$$ about all those meaningless titles you keep ranting about...
I would rather listen to a variety of good average music than ANYTHING found in your links!
Here are a few links- all songs i feel blow away anything you linked.
All modern recordings-of varying styles- that this dinosaur would rather listen to, and with your same caution in mind:
Also:
This is not what i usually listen to but, rather songs you might be better be able to relate to in you tender youth
PS- if you truly listen to these it will take you a bit of time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzybCqkSc8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCq71KGowNA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEmkmdy4kPE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToW56Hj3U0w

http://www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElY5Gr845Fw)/watch?v=ElY5Gr845Fw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElY5Gr845Fw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iraoHE6JlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWFi6Yh_tw&feature=related

I dont like any of those except like 1 or 2 or of them.

Heres something you should have posted
http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-100-Songs-of-the-90s

Some of the songs i dont like and some i do from that list.

We shall wait til the 100 greatest songs of 00s

scumonkey
April 7th, 2009, 06:36 PM
Dear child, i can only hope, and pray, that one day
you will be able expand and think, with your own mind,
instead of continuing to let someone else's hot 100 chart,
fill your head with such driveling nonsense and clutter....

brianac, toss me a few of them coasters,
after this last go 'round it's time to go hit the pub :cool:

Fabrizio
April 7th, 2009, 07:28 PM
I asked for your opinion and you haven't given me a truthful opinion cause you didn't listen to any of the songs

They are just bad taste. Just very not cool.

At least the song "My All" would be an absolute knock-out in the hands of a good singer. But here it sounds sloppy... no phrasing. There is not an ounce of know-how... it almost sounds like she's singing it phonetically and as no idea of the what the lyrics mean. She doesn't act the song... no depth, she just belts it out.

For this kind of urban soft-pop, there were singers like Chaka Khan and Anita Baker among others ... check them out and compare technique.

Chaka Khan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP-oGwt8ng0

^ BTW the song she's singing was written in 1937. It has been sung by the greatest singers of all time and this is also a respectable version... but Mariah Carey could not sing like this if her life depended on it.

---

NYCboy1212
April 7th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Dear child, i can only hope, and pray, that one day
you will be able expand and think, with your own mind,
instead of continuing to let someone else's hot 100 chart,
fill your head with such driveling nonsense and clutter....

brianac, toss me a few of them coasters,
after this last go 'round it's time to go hit the pub :cool:

First of all i dont go by the charts. I only used them to show how successful she is. ive never went by what other people say. I go by my own opinion knowledge. Im mean you call me child yet you still act immature. :rolleyes:

scumonkey
April 7th, 2009, 09:02 PM
First of all i dont go by the charts. I only used them to show how successful she is. To use them as a way to prove your point, shows that you DO "go by the charts."

I go by my own opinion knowledge.opinions and knowledge are two entirely different things ;)


Im mean you call me child yet you still act immature.http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/judegment.jpg

NYCboy1212
April 7th, 2009, 09:20 PM
To use them as a way to prove your point, shows that you DO "go by the charts."
opinions and knowledge are two entirely different things ;)

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/judegment.jpg

Then don't be hypocrite. I dont. I never really knew about the charts til i started to listen to the radio on sundays(meaning that i knew what it was but it wasn't really a big thing) When i choose music i choose music that i like not what other people like. It just seems that what i like seems to be chart toppers .

scumonkey
April 7th, 2009, 09:53 PM
http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/pleasegod.jpg

Fabrizio
April 7th, 2009, 10:10 PM
Oh look... a Mariah Carey fan wearing a lampshade on his head. I wonder what that's all about.

scumonkey
April 7th, 2009, 10:33 PM
He's second in line for Pariah Scarys Cirque Du Soleil
"Please God make it stop" Tour!

Ninjahedge
April 8th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Then don't be a hypocrite, I'm not. don't. I never really knew about the charts until I started to listen to the radio on Sundays (meaning that I knew what it was but it wasn't really a big thing) When I choose music I choose music that I like, not what other people like. It just seems that what I like are chart toppers .


Now that that is straitened up.

1212, the key here is not that they just SEEM to be coincident, but that YOU ARE SAYING that since all these people say that they are good, that therefore they MUST be good.

You are contradicting yourself by saying that that does not matter to you and that it is all coincidence when you are using it to support your claims.


What people here are saying is that you really need to start listening to different styles and get rid of the initial uncomfortable feeling you get when you listen to something new. When I was growing up I thought Styx, Billy Joel, Men At Work, The Bangles and even the J Geils Band were the best out there.

I loved "Paranomia" by "The Art of Noise".

Now, although I can say some of them are still catchy, and showed some talent, they are by no means the best out there. Although I do NOT like Prince, I cannot deny his song writing talent (or his musical ability). It took me a while to get past the quirkyness of talking Heads to realize their influences in R+B and other international sources, never-mind listening to their LYRICS and catching onto what they were saying (Life during Wartime?).

As for vocals, MC has a decent voice, with some power to it, but she over stresses it and over embellishes her songs to the point where it is difficult to appreciate the song itself. It is all her-her-her. Her squeaking is downright irritating at times and does nothing to really add to the tune. It is just showing off.

So although it can be said that her singing is better than most run-of-the-mill pop artists, I still do not think it sounds better than Fiona Apple or Jewel.

So stop trying to push this one person and take this as a little bit of a lesson here. There is SO MUCH more out there. I went from about 20 cassettes and 20 or so CD's coming out of high school to over 500 CD's and 13,000 MP3's, and I am still hungry for more.

A spoon full of sugar may taste good to someone who has never had it before, but after eating a good French Pastry, or European Chocolate, sugar pales in comparison.

lofter1
April 8th, 2009, 11:21 AM
Newest Entry in the Race for Bestest Lady Singer of the New Millenium (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=lady+Ga+ga&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8):

http://images.starpulse.com/news/media/Lady-Gaga-jet-2.jpg

Step aside, MC ;)

Fabrizio
April 8th, 2009, 11:54 AM
^ There's a Sicilian guy who lives across the street from me... he's a brick layer and runs heavy machinery... when he dresses up for Carnevale, he looks exactly like that.

--

Ninjahedge
April 8th, 2009, 01:01 PM
How many bricks has he laid?

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Now that that is straitened up.

1212, the key here is not that they just SEEM to be coincident, but that YOU ARE SAYING that since all these people say that they are good, that therefore they MUST be good.

You are contradicting yourself by saying that that does not matter to you and that it is all coincidence when you are using it to support your claims.


What people here are saying is that you really need to start listening to different styles and get rid of the initial uncomfortable feeling you get when you listen to something new. When I was growing up I thought Styx, Billy Joel, Men At Work, The Bangles and even the J Geils Band were the best out there.

I loved "Paranomia" by "The Art of Noise".

Now, although I can say some of them are still catchy, and showed some talent, they are by no means the best out there. Although I do NOT like Prince, I cannot deny his song writing talent (or his musical ability). It took me a while to get past the quirkyness of talking Heads to realize their influences in R+B and other international sources, never-mind listening to their LYRICS and catching onto what they were saying (Life during Wartime?).

As for vocals, MC has a decent voice, with some power to it, but she over stresses it and over embellishes her songs to the point where it is difficult to appreciate the song itself. It is all her-her-her. Her squeaking is downright irritating at times and does nothing to really add to the tune. It is just showing off.

So although it can be said that her singing is better than most run-of-the-mill pop artists, I still do not think it sounds better than Fiona Apple or Jewel.

So stop trying to push this one person and take this as a little bit of a lesson here. There is SO MUCH more out there. I went from about 20 cassettes and 20 or so CD's coming out of high school to over 500 CD's and 13,000 MP3's, and I am still hungry for more.

A spoon full of sugar may taste good to someone who has never had it before, but after eating a good French Pastry, or European Chocolate, sugar pales in comparison.

I know that but they are saying the songs are not good what so ever. I love MC but she is one of my favorite artist. Now i know what they are going to say and no shes not the only artist thats my favorite. Since i got that shes not the best out of the way i was trying to get them to see that he is good. You dont have to like her but that doesn't mean shes not good.

:DI have that many songs on my iPod, too

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 04:40 PM
Newest Entry in the Race for Bestest Lady Singer of the New Millenium (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=lady+Ga+ga&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8):

http://images.starpulse.com/news/media/Lady-Gaga-jet-2.jpg

Step aside, MC ;)

i love lady GaGa. Favorite song from her is Poker Face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzH7VMjhS8&hd=1

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 04:43 PM
(No "SHRIEKING")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626-gqEbVzU&hd=1

Heres an interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAakZVnjsWE&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I-56gV3ltg&feature=related

scumonkey
April 8th, 2009, 05:35 PM
I'm sorry but the shrieking starts at no later than 1:31 into the vid...
Why does Your Messiah Sherry always sing, like she's in a perpetual
Showtime at the Apollo Amateur Nite contest?!
There is no earthly reason to sing up and down all those scales,
in every single song she steps on.:cool:

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 05:45 PM
I'm sorry but the shrieking starts at no later than 1:31 into the vid...
Why does Your Messiah Sherry always sing, like she's in a perpetual
Showtime at the Apollo Amateur Nite contest?!
There is no earthly reason to sing up and down all those scales,
in every single song she steps on.:cool:

Thats not a shriek thats the falsetto register not the whistle register. Thats a register that alot of artist have in songs. i dont see whats the reason of messing up her name. What are you trying to do? Make me angry.

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 05:52 PM
Heres another song people like.

Cant Let Go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUviLieA_kY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swYOHpfd6Qw&feature=related

scumonkey
April 8th, 2009, 06:48 PM
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/worm-hook.gif

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 09:31 PM
Heres another beautiful song.

When You Believe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiBTWFxg6kY&hd=1

Fabrizio
April 8th, 2009, 09:36 PM
^ Tacky, Disney-cartoon style song with the predictable "believe in yourself" lyrics, obligatory key-change, and heavenly chorus.

NEXT!

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 09:47 PM
^ Tacky, Disney-cartoon style song with the predictable "believe in yourself" lyrics, obligatory key-change, and heavenly chorus.

NEXT!

Funny, it was in a Dreamworks movie called Prince of Egypt. It also won award for best original song in both Academy Awards and Golden Globe. It was nominated for the 2000 Grammy Award for "Best Pop Collaboration with Vocals" and since Carey is part Latin, she and Houston were also nominated for "Outstanding Performance of a Song for a Feature Film" at the ALMA Awards.

scumonkey
April 8th, 2009, 09:50 PM
and now for some true talent.... (MC eat your heart out)

Henrietta and Merna!


prepare yourself (and please have the patiance to sit through the lovely introduction!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg7uGL6Ku20

NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 09:57 PM
and now for some true talent.... (MC eat your heart out)

Henrietta and Merna!


prepare yourself (and please have the patiance to sit through the lovely introduction!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg7uGL6Ku20

You are very funny. :cool:

Fabrizio
April 8th, 2009, 10:00 PM
NYCboy1212 : that song is drivel.

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Do yourself a favour and listen to this. The video quality is not great, but observe closely. This singer has probably the biggest ego on earth, but notice that she puts herself second to the writer's lyrics. Note how she lives the song and communicates it's meaning. Note how she saves her belting for the proper dramatic moments. Notice the economy of her moves and her facial expressions. Note the clear diction... the fluid, elastic way she climbs the notes. Note how she acts the song: she goes from being timid and resigned... to trying to convince herself ... to being defiant. It is singing skill but also acting skill... it is musical know how. It's not about her... it's about the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzQb2uJfMX0&feature=related

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NYCboy1212
April 8th, 2009, 10:20 PM
NYCboy1212 : that song is drivel.

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Do yourself a favour and listen to this. The video quality is not great, but observe closely. This singer has probably the biggest ego on earth, but notice that she puts herself second to the writer's lyrics. Note how she lives the song and communicates it's meaning. Note how she saves her belting for the proper dramatic moments. Notice the economy of her moves and her facial expressions. Note the clear diction... the fluid, elastic way she climbs the notes. Note how she acts the song: she goes from being timid and resigned... to trying to convince herself ... to being defiant. It is singing skill but also acting skill... it is musical know how. It's not about her... it's about the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzQb2uJfMX0&feature=related

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About the song. You see im not saying anything abut them being the greatest songs but they are good songs. Based on your judging if its not the greatest its a bad and terrible song.

Heres something. If music is an art which is to express yourself then someone singing style can be different. If everbody sung the same way the world would be boring. If people wrote the same type of songs life would be boring. If people has the same voice or near the same voice life is boring.

You guys have not really given any fun songs. I thought we were finished with singing and onto songs. I dont know why you came out of nowhere and stated this. Try showing some music that i can move to something fun, something that will make me feel good.

scumonkey
April 9th, 2009, 12:30 AM
Try these:
(some of these songs have to play a while before they get into it)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoN6XfyQsr4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrvk1bmTayg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVtskXrv7m8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlMN9a8s6S8
(V I can't get one out of my head now)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJmghwq7k2I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElY5Gr845Fw
Fab...this ones for you ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C1vJ2Z8aI0
(Lauren joins in at the 1:11 mark)

brianac
April 9th, 2009, 06:22 AM
You guys have not really given any fun songs.


If it's fun and quality we are looking for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxR0JY-FMh8

Ninjahedge
April 9th, 2009, 09:28 AM
Fun?

Like "Stand" by REM? The one song they were embarrassed to play at any of their concerts as it was demanded by the public because it was so insipidly catchy?

How about the whole "Walking on the Sun" thing from Smash Mouth? Their style was very different than that and another song they sang on the "Fu Yu Mang" album, but its popularity made them sing their other songs in the same retro-revival style that proved popular, if not more musically meritous.

The lesson is that most "fun" songs are just that. They are "Farmer in the Dell" carryovers that rarely show any particular musical merit other than the fact that people can easily remember the main line and belt it out at parties, bars and Karaoke.

They are sugar. Plain, simple, and sweet.

Now after Sugar, I am not asking you to go listen to Radiohead (One of THE whiniest lead singers next to Smashing Pumpkins Billy Corgan). That would be like having a Single Malt (that's whiskey) after living your life on Sunkist. But calling for fun is very difficult when "fun", by definition, has a rather derogatory condescending air to it.

"That was fun" usually does not mean it was the best! ;)

Anyway, my tip to you here is to just drop the whole MC thread. Look into the ones that people are suggesting and comment on what you LIKE as well as dislike about EACH ONE OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

You do not need to talk about all of them, but stop talking about them collectively. This will, at the very least, help start a conversation back up rather than trying to convince people of one particular point that really has little impact on the overall topic.

1 singer does not define the music scene. Lets move on and learn something, k? :D

Fabrizio
April 9th, 2009, 10:15 AM
^ ?

There's just plenty of great fun pop music. Isn't that what it's always been about? You can start with the brilliant Chuck Berry and Little Richard and go through the decades... some, like the Beatles, Rolling Stones and the Beach Boys made it into pop art... so did even Bob Dylan a couple of times in less serious mode. My gosh... Tina Turner, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Cher...

I don't have much use for the Riannas and Beyonces... but though not great, some of it is respectable good-time music... I mean the kids today gotta have something....

Ninjahedge
April 9th, 2009, 02:39 PM
But I would not put some of those "fun" tunes into the category of "best music".

It does not mean I do not LIKE them. Hell, I like some of the songs by Green Day and Blink 182 (although the latter are THE most immature punks I have ever heard on stage...live recording).

But when you start picking it apart and listen to the lyrics, listen to the chord structure and realize that it is just a collage of other tunes, you also realize why it is so catchy.

So when I am casting doubt on th evalidity of fun pop music, I am only doing so in the vein of overall quality and merit, not just catchiness.

Don't rock the boat, baby!
Don't tip the boat over!!!!!

:p

Fabrizio
April 9th, 2009, 03:37 PM
Johnny B. Goode, Maybellene, Roll Over Beethoven, Rock Around the Clock, Wake Up Little Susie, The Girl Can't Help It... Good Vibrations is considered to be one of the best pop songs of all time.... "Sgt. Pepper" is considered to be a masterpiece of pop music and it's filled with fun stuff...so is the White Album ... the girl groups...Dancing in the Street... the Supremes... the ultra fabulous Sly Stone...Everyday People... Dance to the Music ... Hot Fun in the Summertime... Janis Joplin...Me and Bobby McGee... Creedence Clearwater.... Proud Mary...Lovin spoonful...Do You Believe in Magic.... Jackie Wilson!: Your Love Keeps Lifting Me Higher and Higher...Stevie Wonder: You Are the Sunshine of My Life..... and there's more and more and more....

fun stuff and great great music

scumonkey
April 9th, 2009, 07:06 PM
If this doesn't make you move there is no hope for you
(and no screeching vibrato or scale traipsing) ;)

Lenny Fontana and Ridney Pres,Larisa - Wait for You
-Very fun modern stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjY5LPHPTo

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 09:29 AM
If this doesn't make you move there is no hope for you
(and no screeching vibrato or scale traipsing) ;)

Lenny Fontana and Ridney Pres,Larisa - Wait for You
-Very fun modern stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjY5LPHPTo

You must be joking. First you said her music isnt good. Then how can that be if she gets nominated and wins the same type of awards as some of the artist you listed. For example the grammys. She may have only won 5 but she got nominated a lot and that tells her music is good enough to be there almost every year.



American singer Mariah Carey has received five Grammy Awards and a total of thirty-four nominations since the start of her career in 1990. She is the second most-nominated female artist in Grammy Award history behind Aretha Franklin, who has thirty-eight nominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Awards_and_nominations_for_Mariah_Carey

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 09:40 AM
It represents a general lowering of standards.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 10:03 AM
It represents a general lowering of standards.

Right. :rolleyes:

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 10:17 AM
Right. The music industry practically doesn't exist anymore. The acts that sell the most tickets in concert are groups or singers that have been around for 25 years. Album sales are nothing compared to years ago. The Grammy awards once had a huge roster of top-flight talent to choose from.

Grammy award winners 1970:

Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Peggy Lee, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Cash, Tammy Wynette, Waylon Jennings, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Quincy Jones, Burt Bacharach...

I mean c'mon: Mariah Carey?

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 10:32 AM
Right. The music industry practically doesn't exist anymore. The acts that sell the most tickets in concert are groups or singers that have been around for 25 years. Album sales are nothing compared to years ago. The Grammy awards once had a huge roster of top-flight talent to choose from.

Grammy award winners 1970:

Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Peggy Lee, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Cash, Tammy Wynette, Waylon Jennings, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Quincy Jones, Burt Bacharach...

I mean c'mon: Mariah Carey?
Really. She has two of the worlds best selling albums.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide
Shes on the list of worlds best selling artist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Scientist said those generations were highly addicted to pop culture. So albums sales back then inevitable. And you have the baby boom generation.

Like i said bias


Although the criteria for the following list are intended to be expansive (including comparisons for total-sales for all recording artists) there are certain limitations and constraints that may limit the conclusions that can be derived from these data.
Such constraints include:
Bias towards acts who have had success in a specific country or region.
Bias towards older artists. There is a broader genre spectrum of music to listen to now which limits the number of listeners.
Bias towards modern artists. Comparatively fewer successful pre-modern artists will have sold more records, as both global spending power and population have increased. In 1950, the world's population was 2.5 billion; by 2000 it had risen to 6 billion. Also, older artists suffer from bias as their record sales are less likely to have been accurately tracked, and estimates of their early sales are likely to be more vague.
Fan sites, press articles and record labels have been known to inflate record sales claims.
Inflated claims for artists who performed in different acts during their careers. Sometimes all of the sales data is attributed to an individual artist. For the purposes of this list, an effort is made to separate the individual acts (e.g., the sales figures for The Beatles and Paul McCartney & Wings are mutually exclusive).
Inconsistencies between the sources of the various statistics. For example in some cases world sales are compared to US (RIAA certifies US sales only).

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 10:42 AM
^ Reread my post, I don't think you got my point.

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When I see this performance and her general lack of musical and stage knowlege... you know standards have been lowered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626-gqEbVzU&hd=1

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 10:44 AM
^ Reread my post, I don't think you got my point.

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When I see this performance and her general lack of musical and stage knowlege... you know standards have been lowered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=626-gqEbVzU&hd=1

You do know that the song came out in 1990 and this performance was not to long ago.(seems like you just want to point out the negatives to prove your point) For example at the grammys when she first performed the song in 1990.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vmaw3_kDC4

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 10:54 AM
I am not refering to her voice here. Whether it's today or 20 years ago: Her amaturish way of handling the stage. Fuzzy general movements and gestures, no knowlege of how to work with a mike or the camera... no knowlege of how to tell a story... so she shreiks high notes wow... applause... it's like a dog act.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 10:59 AM
I am not refering to her voice here. Her amaturish way of handling the stage. Fuzzy general movements, no knowlege of how to work with a mike or the camera... no knowlege of how to tell a story... wow she shreiks high notes wow.

What does that have to do with music awards. I think you are trying to ignore the subject at hand. When they choose songs they dont judge you by your live performance they judge you by your song overall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSd08_ceDj8

lofter1
April 10th, 2009, 11:02 AM
Minus 20 points for the shoes alone ...

Ninjahedge
April 10th, 2009, 11:04 AM
1212, the album point was not to say people do not listen to music, but that LESS MONEY is being made.

They are trying to SELL music more these days just like soda. To do so, you need marketing.

The success of "artists" like Justin Timberlake is a classic example, and don't even get me started on 90% of the "American Idol" finalists! >puke<.


MC is popular. And popular these days gets you awards.


Again, just drop it. Keep this in mind and come back in 10 years. Odds are against MC having any more staying power than Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine.

MC is like BOSE. It isn't absolute crap, but it has been elevated through lack of education on the subject to a level that does not befit its actual worth.

MC is by no means the worst singer of all time, but at the same time she is surely not "The greatest singer in the world" now, or in history.

Now just move on. alk about other artists, other bands. Talk about musical influences. If you want to learn more, you have to expand your exposure. If you have 13K songs on your Ipod (not likely if you have decent quality songs, as my collection is up to 70G now.....).

Also realize that 13K songs, at 4 minutes apiece would be 36 DAYS of music in a continuous loop. If you figure you listened to 12 hours a day on Saturday and Sunday, 30 min each way to and from school, and 4 hours a day after school (pretty much almost all your free waking hours) that would take you 17.7 weeks to listen through all of them ONCE. That means, if you had started on January first, you would still have 24 more days to go before you were finished this year!


The purpose of that was to say that it does not matter how many songs you have if you have not listened to them all! It would be very difficult to do so if you are as young as your title suggests.

You need to get exposed more and realize that there is so much more out there (AND in there) before you proclaim "The Best". ;)

NYatKNIGHT
April 10th, 2009, 11:06 AM
NYCboy1212, please stop quoting the post preceding yours, thanks.

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Dear, today people like Britney Spears win the Grammy too... who cares?

NYatKNIGHT
April 10th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Oh and, Mariah Carey? Seriously?

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 11:13 AM
1212, the album point was not to say people do not listen to music, but that LESS MONEY is being made.

They are trying to SELL music more these days just like soda. To do so, you need marketing.

The success of "artists" like Justin Timberlake is a classic example, and don't even get me started on 90% of the "American Idol" finalists! >puke<.


MC is popular. And popular these days gets you awards.


Again, just drop it. Keep this in mind and come back in 10 years. Odds are against MC having any more staying power than Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine.

MC is like BOSE. It isn't absolute crap, but it has been elevated through lack of education on the subject to a level that does not befit its actual worth.

MC is by no means the worst singer of all time, but at the same time she is surely not "The greatest singer in the world" now, or in history.

Now just move on. alk about other artists, other bands. Talk about musical influences. If you want to learn more, you have to expand your exposure. If you have 13K songs on your Ipod (not likely if you have decent quality songs, as my collection is up to 70G now.....).

Also realize that 13K songs, at 4 minutes apiece would be 36 DAYS of music in a continuous loop. If you figure you listened to 12 hours a day on Saturday and Sunday, 30 min each way to and from school, and 4 hours a day after school (pretty much almost all your free waking hours) that would take you 17.7 weeks to listen through all of them ONCE. That means, if you had started on January first, you would still have 24 more days to go before you were finished this year!


The purpose of that was to say that it does not matter how many songs you have if you have not listened to them all! It would be very difficult to do so if you are as young as your title suggests.

You need to get exposed more and realize that there is so much more out there (AND in there) before you proclaim "The Best". ;)

Thats just it. I stated before we were off the topic and we were debating is her music good.

Look what Stevie Wonder has to say about her.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1733748_1733752_1735744,00.html

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 11:13 AM
Poor Stevie can't see you know. Just as well I guess.

When I see that video of Mariah wandering around the stage like it's prom night and she has been chosen queen... oh c'mon, please... watch women like Tina Turner or Cher who know how to command the stage.. who have artistry.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Dear, today people like Britney Spears win the Grammy too... who cares?

Look she wins grammies under Pop but thats it.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 11:16 AM
Poor Stevie can't see you know.

When I see that video of Mariah wandering around the stage like it's prom night and she has been chosen queen... oh c'mon, please... watch women like Tina Turner or Cher who know how to command the stage.. who have artistry.

Did you not read my last post. What does her performance have to do with how good her music is. He blind but hes not deaf. Since hes blind his hearing is stronger.

NYatKNIGHT
April 10th, 2009, 11:17 AM
Isn't Mariah Carey also, um, crazy?

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 11:19 AM
Yes, her music is fabulous:


"Visions of Love"

Treated me kind
Sweet destiny
Carried me through desperation
To the one that was waiting for me
It took so long
Still I believed
Somehow the one that I needed
Would find me eventually

I had a vision of love
And it was all that you've given to me

Prayed through the nights
Felt so alone
Suffered through alienation
Carried the weight on my own
Had to be strong
So I believed
And now I know I've succeeded
In finding the place I conceived

I had a vision of love
And it was all that you've given to me
I had a vision of love
And it was all that you've given me

I've realized a dream
And I visualized
The love that came to be
Feel so alive
I'm so thankful that I've received
The answer that heaven has sent down to me

You treated me kind
Sweet destiny
And I'll be eternally grateful
Holding you so close to me
Prayed through the nights
So faithfully
Knowing the one that I needed
Would find me eventually

I had a vision of love
And it was all that you've given to me
I had a vision of love
And it was all that you turned out to be

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 11:37 AM
Yes, her music is fabulous:




Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not.

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 12:05 PM
When I hear her music, I get this sudden desire to paint my bedroom pink and decorate it with stuffed animals.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Thats weird.

nycla3
April 10th, 2009, 12:11 PM
NYCboy1212: Here is the door: http://us.mariahfanclub.com/ Please go. Win-Win.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 12:14 PM
NYCboy1212: Here is the door: http://us.mariahfanclub.com/ Please go. Win-Win.

I hate fan sites and clubs

nycla3
April 10th, 2009, 12:18 PM
You seem to be tilting at windmills here...thought you might want to go where you're appreciated. You're simply not getting any traction here.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 12:24 PM
You seem to be tilting at windmills here...thought you might want to go where you're appreciated. You're simply not getting any traction here.

Just because i promote her doesnt mean shes my favorite artist of all time.

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 12:41 PM
^ Are you the one who feeds her Kibbles so she'll hit those high notes?

She reminds me so much of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DalB-CvO7Qc

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BTW: I think NYCboy1212's whole purpose here is to up the hits on her YouTube videos...

http://www.skyscraperlife.com/city-vs-city/3604-battle-north-american-giants-mexico-city-vs-new-york-city-97.html


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NYatKNIGHT
April 10th, 2009, 02:24 PM
In that case maybe NYCboy1212 is Mariah Carey. The spamming of architectural websites fits the 'crazy' bill.

Mariah, whatever you say, video votes = talent. Just please remember to take your meds before signing in next time.

scumonkey
April 10th, 2009, 02:52 PM
IMO the greatest singer in the world is Mariah Carey.http://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/barf.gifhttp://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/barf.gifhttp://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/barf.gif

http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/bs2.gif

http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/blahblah.gif

http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/notlistening.gif



http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/blahblah.gif
http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/deadhorse3.gif
http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/dontcare.JPG

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 02:55 PM
^ Are you the one who feeds her Kibbles so she'll hit those high notes?

She reminds me so much of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DalB-CvO7Qc

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BTW: I think NYCboy1212's whole purpose here is to up the hits on her YouTube videos...

http://www.skyscraperlife.com/city-vs-city/3604-battle-north-american-giants-mexico-city-vs-new-york-city-97.html


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Have you been spying on me. I think you are the ones who are crazy. I only stated that out of boredom. No thats not my goal and also get a life. Oh yeah i posted all those videos so only 5 more views can be added.:rolleyes:

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 02:56 PM
In that case maybe NYCboy1212 is Mariah Carey. The spamming of architectural websites fits the 'crazy' bill.

Mariah, whatever you say, video votes = talent. Just please remember to take your meds before signing in next time.
If you looked at the website that fab posted after stalking me you will see that its not spamming. If you looked at the pages before and after you will see that i was debating on the topic.

NYCboy1212
April 10th, 2009, 02:57 PM
http://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/barf.gifhttp://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/barf.gifhttp://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/barf.gif

http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/bs2.gif

http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/blahblah.gif

http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/notlistening.gif



http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/blahblah.gif
http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/deadhorse3.gif
http://allamericancommunications.com//images/clublakers/emoticons/dontcare.JPG
I mean if you guys dont care and if you are getting annoyed why do you bother to keep coming back to this thread.

Ninjahedge
April 10th, 2009, 03:07 PM
1212, there is a general policy here to try to reduce posting bloat.

It is discouraged for people to quote the entire post that another has made. As was demonstrated on your quote of my post, you had a very short response to a rather large post that you quoted in full.

If you are not going to break it up or do anything special, just call me by name and respond.

(This is what NY@Knight was talking about.)



So, to take this on a tangent, what pop singers do you think withstood the test of time? Fab already pointed out a lot that had talent (although I disagree on the merits of some of the songs themselves).

You have already said you thnik MC will, but others disagree. Lets not dwell on that anymore. What others do yuo think will do a Matt Damon and leave Ben Affleck in the dust (or in the J-Lo, as the case may be)?

Gwen Stefani has already sold herself short, turning her ska-influencd off beat pop into a rock/dance electronica pop that seems to be afraid of actual instruments. Jewel seems to be going the Hannah Montana kind of route too (more pop-ish than real depth). Do you think Miley will be able to break the pre-teen bubble she has helped make for herself?


???

Ninjahedge
April 10th, 2009, 03:07 PM
You idiot.

Careful, he's a mod.

nycla3
April 10th, 2009, 03:48 PM
Wotta trainwreck of the thread. But entertaining...like peeling off dead skin.

1212: If you're under 16 I guess I can understand your emotional attachment to stamping your feet. If not, take away some valuable life lessons...not everyone will agree with you in life and hitting them over the head with a hammer rarely works. All you've done is serve up a steaming heap of dark matter that no one wants to eat.

And for my money, Billie Holiday was/is the greatest singer. So there.

lofter1
April 10th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Of course, Billie is up at the top of the singer list -- along with some others.

Nina Simone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzQkX-IZDbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAYVaHEMK0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSIlx9hiu8&feature=PlayList&p=AD683499A1AF1609&index=29

Joni Mitchell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQSlH-LLTQ

Aretha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STKkWj2WpWM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DBl5gAs6WI

Ella:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbL9vr4Q2LU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhK-zYfFsIY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUYpUogn91U

Maybe even Patti LuPone (near the top of the entertainer list, anyway):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXl10a9gJwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwum9bPIwA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVsD0rltRr8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTIUgSokf0&feature=related

Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Of the newish singers, Norah Jones is a true diva. I love the earthy, direct sound of her voice.

She makes Mariah Carey sound like air being let out of a balloon.

Here she is singing one of my favorite songs of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssvdud8SnNc&feature=related

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BTW:I've seen alot of theatre in my days, but the clip Lofter posted of Miss Patti Lupone in that scene from Gypsy... that has to be one of best musical performances ever. Not even The Merm...

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Fabrizio
April 10th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Nancy Wilson: Another one of my favourite all-time greatest female singers.

She makes Mariah Carey sound like the time my dad started the car with my cat taking a nap on the engine.

This afternoon I listened to this while enjoying my breakfast gin and tonic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEKpykcNXho&feature=related

lofter1
April 10th, 2009, 10:54 PM
... Miss Patti Lupone in that scene from Gypsy... that has to be one of best musical performances ever. Not even The Merm...

Arthur Laurents, who wrote the book for both Gypsy and West Side Story (among others) said Merman's problem was that she couldn't act. She just did Merm.

LuPone was crazy good as Mama Rose --

scumonkey
April 13th, 2009, 12:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-KiGva9dV4
give her a chance...you'll be floored!

Merry
April 13th, 2009, 05:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-KiGva9dV4
give her a chance...you'll be floored!

Thank you, scumonkey.

I've just watched that several times and can't get over it. Absolutely stunning. And damn refreshing.

It just goes to show that you don't have to look like the Screecher to be talented. And, god, what a fantastic gift Susan has. May she realise her dream.

lofter1
April 13th, 2009, 09:58 AM
Ms. Boyle sure has got some pipes!

She might prove to be a great Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd.

NYCboy1212
April 13th, 2009, 10:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEzUtvPrzxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk77VvS6Lj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVawmqtn818
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6sYecnkhsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPnowla4JKY

Ninjahedge
April 13th, 2009, 10:37 AM
I wish Youtube would include reference tags in their addresses...

"sEzUtvPrzxA" means nothing to me, and I won't click it if it is more MC clips.


1212, if these are more MC vids, just drop it now. Look for other artists that you like and post them. You are not going to "win" this argument.

Fabrizio
April 13th, 2009, 10:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMrq_YAAOC0&feature=related

scumonkey
April 13th, 2009, 12:23 PM
WOW- fab....How did you ever get a hold of such a rare video,
showing Maria Cary at the top of her form- such style,
the high notes she hits- so incredible, her stage presence, right on-
I couldn't take my eyes off her!
That pink thong was so eye catching!!
The music accompaniment- so catchy...I'll have that tune
in my head for days ;)

Fabrizio
April 13th, 2009, 12:57 PM
And her hair is beautiful too.

But with Mariah Carey it's all about the lyrics:

Visions of Love

"Treated me kind
Sweet destiny
Carried me through desperation
To the one that was waiting for me
It took so long
Still I believed
Somehow the one that I needed
Would find me eventually"

And it turned out to be a litter of 9.

NYatKNIGHT
April 13th, 2009, 01:57 PM
NYCboy1212, check your Private Messages.

Ninjahedge
April 13th, 2009, 02:08 PM
http://gotoes.org/sales/Singer_SewingMachineManuals/images/Singer_SewingMachine.jpg

scumonkey
April 13th, 2009, 02:13 PM
^ now that's a good singer -with staying power! ;)

MidtownGuy
April 13th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Scumonkey thanks for that link to Susan Boyle. Incredible!

Bimbos like Beyonce and Mariah Carey are an annoyance.

Fabrizio
April 13th, 2009, 03:38 PM
Trekkies or Mariah Carey fans... I wonder who gets laid less.

scumonkey
April 13th, 2009, 03:55 PM
MC fans- anyone who listens to Pariah Scary must
still be too young to have sex !
(people who do have sex- are old enough to know better than to listen to MC ;))

Ninjahedge
April 13th, 2009, 04:30 PM
Man, you have me in stiches.

ZippyTheChimp
April 13th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Trekkies and Mariah Carey fans have sex with each other. It keeps them out of the gene pool, so it all works out for the betterment of humanity.

ablarc
April 13th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Mariah Carey's not so bad.

Fabrizio
April 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Oh c'mon Ablarc, you haven't listen to popular music since Patti Page.

BrooklynRider
April 14th, 2009, 02:27 AM
Get ready for Madame Glitter at 3:43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1twg5nZbX60&feature=related

Merry
April 14th, 2009, 04:53 AM
^ I wouldn't call any of that singing. More like a yelling contest. They all murdered the song. I've never been impressed with vocal gymnastics. Pure gimmick.

If you have the talent, you don't need to resort to such shamelessly commercial embellishment to make an impact. Susan Boyle proved that.

True vocalists respect the music, too.

ablarc
April 14th, 2009, 05:47 AM
Oh c'mon Ablarc, you haven't listen to popular music since Patti Page.
Debbie Reynolds.

scumonkey
April 14th, 2009, 01:01 PM
If you have the talent, you don't need to resort to such shamelessly commercial embellishment to make an impact.
Unless your playing Amateur Night At the Apollo!

Ninjahedge
April 14th, 2009, 02:05 PM
A billyclub works much better in that case. That and a case of Colt 45!!!!


(oop)

BrooklynRider
April 14th, 2009, 11:28 PM
How about this babe? AMAZING and so moving to watch!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY)

Two thumbs UP!!!:):):):):):)

scumonkey
April 14th, 2009, 11:37 PM
BrooklynRider
See post #197

BrooklynRider
April 14th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I'm a total numbskull. I actually read throughthis whole thread last night and came across that YouTube video. I sent it around to all of my friends at around 2:00AM last night. Today, I got all kinds of responses and links to newspaper stories. I forgot I started with it here and posted it back as a great new find to share with the forum. I guess I've come full circle.

Mariah Carey can suck this lady's teat.

brianac
April 15th, 2009, 06:03 AM
Maria Carey fans waiting in line for tickets.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/04/14/nyregion/27309181.JPG

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/04/14/nyregion/20090415NYClens_4.html

NYCboy1212
April 15th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Do you guys have alzheimer's or something cause didnt i say we were on the topic of her MUSiC being good. Why do you keep going back to how she sings. Its like telling my brother to stop touching the tv then he gets spanked and he does it again. No one stated is her music is good, since she writes and produces most of her own songs. She is at number 3 with producer with the most number 1 songs and writer with the most number 1 songs. Even one of her albums made National Association of Recording Merchandisers list of Definitive 200 Albums of All Time. One album on EW's 100 Best Albums from 1983 to 2008.

scumonkey
April 15th, 2009, 01:11 PM
ok....read my post...
HER MUSIC (songs) SUCK!!!! ;)
and for somebody that doesn't buy into the whole "charts" thing,
you sure do have a propensity for trotting out those bogus statistics in every post. :rolleyes:
- now I ask- who is the one with Alzheimer's?:cool:

Here is Pariah Scarys new music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrQyfjRdHB4

NYCboy1212
April 15th, 2009, 01:31 PM
ok....read my post...
HER MUSIC (songs) SUCK!!!! ;)
and for somebody that doesn't buy into the whole "charts" thing,
you sure do have a propensity for trotting out those bogus statistics in every post. :rolleyes:
- now I ask- who is the one with Alzheimer's?:cool:

Here is Pariah Scarys new music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrQyfjRdHB4

Thats weird cause in a couple of albums she endured as many awards and nominations as someone that has loads of albums.

scumonkey
April 15th, 2009, 01:35 PM
in the music world, awards and nominations mean squat ;)

NYCboy1212
April 15th, 2009, 01:39 PM
in the music world, awards and nominations mean squat ;)

Then people shouldnt show up to these events.

NYCboy1212
April 15th, 2009, 01:42 PM
>

Ninjahedge
April 15th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Then people shouldnt show up to these events.


They mean money.

They mean they can sell their albums to the general masses.

There have been many MANY award winners (and, obviously many more nominees) to these awards that have little to no outstanding redeemable feature other than their popularity at the time of the awards.

MC may be one of the most popular singers in the world, but she is not the "best" singer in the world by a long shot. So it comes right back to the root, her voice is definitely better than most, but what she does with it is not only not special, it is quite grating.

She over embellishes, over stylizes, and squeeks.


Squeeks!

If she were to rein that in a bit and refrain from being so poppy, she may be able to redeem herself, but if she keeps catering to the generally musically illiterate and the easy sugar they give her ego, well, she will be as memorable as Nickelback is to rock music. Nothing spectacular or trend setting or particularly unique or memorable.

So whatever. Try picking out another disease at random (you may want to try "senility" as it would have more to do with your intended insult than Altzheimers) and attempt to convince the thousands of lurkers here that you know more than all us old farts.

Meanwhile, I am just listening to a bit of John Mayer. Nice except for all the shrieking teens in the background. ;)

Fabrizio
April 15th, 2009, 03:15 PM
and writer with the most number 1 songs.


Would you do us a favour?: please post a few, of what you consider, are the best songs that she's written.... songs that you feel are on par with, or better than, the best of Lennon&McCartney, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Carole King, Simon&Garfunkle and Joni Mitchell.

If you could post the lyrics, that would be a help too.

Thanks in advance.

scumonkey
April 15th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Maria Carey off camera
http://planethiltron.com/wp-content/uploads/7-mariah-caey-hiltron-450x632.jpg

NYCboy1212
April 16th, 2009, 11:38 AM
Would you do us a favour?: please post a few, of what you consider, are the best songs that she's written.... songs that you feel are on par with, or better than, the best of Lennon&McCartney, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Carole King, Simon&Garfunkle and Joni Mitchell.

If you could post the lyrics, that would be a help too.

Thanks in advance.

here is just some.(couldnt decide)
You already Know Vision of love.


We Belong Together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfBW7J7bANE&hd=1


I didn't mean it when I said I didn't love you so
I should've held on tight, I never should've let you go
I didn't know nothing, I was stupid, I was foolish
I was lying to myself

I could not fathom I would ever be without your love
Never imagined I'd be sitting here beside myself
'Cause I didn't know you, 'cause I didn't know me
But I thought I knew everything
I never felt

The feeling that I'm feeling now that I don't hear your voice
Or have your touch and kiss your lips 'cause I don't have a choice
Oh, what I wouldn't give to have you lying by my side
Right here, 'cause baby
(We belong together)

When you left I lost a part of me
It's still so hard to believe
Come back baby, please
'Cause we belong together

Who else am I gon' lean on when times get rough
Who's gonna talk to me on the phone 'till the sun comes up
Who's gonna take your place, there ain't nobody better
Oh, baby baby, we belong together

I can't sleep at night when you are on my mind
Bobby Womack's on the radio saying to me:
"If you think you're lonely now"
Wait a minute this is too deep (too deep)
I gotta change the station so I turn the dial
Trying to catch a break and then I hear Babyface
I only think of you and it's breaking my heart
I'm trying to keep it together but I'm falling apart

I'm feeling all out of my element
I'm throwing things, crying
Trying to figure out where the hell I went wrong
The pain inflicted in this song ain't even half of what I'm feeling inside
I need you, need you back in my life, baby
(We belong together)

When you left I lost a part of me
It's still so hard to believe
Come back baby, please
'Cause we belong together

Who else am I gon' lean on when times get rough
Who's gonna talk to me on the phone 'til the sun comes up
Who's gonna take your place there ain't nobody better
Oh, baby baby, we belong together, baby!

When you left I lost a part of me
It's still so hard to believe
Come back baby, please
'Cause we belong together

Who I'm gonna lean on when times get rough
Who's gonna talk to me 'til the sun comes up
Who's gonna take your place there ain't nobody better
Oh, baby baby, we belong together

Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dALDUl8FCT4&hd=1

There's a hero
If you look inside your heart
You don't have to be afraid
Of what you are
There's an answer
If you reach into your soul
And the sorrow that you know
Will melt away

And then a hero comes along
With the strength to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can survive
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you'll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you

It's a long road
When you face the world alone
No one reaches out a hand
For you to hold
You can find love
If you search within yourself
And the emptiness you felt
Will disappear

And then a hero comes along
With the strength to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can survive
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you'll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you

Lord knows
Dreams are hard to follow
But don't let anyone
Tear them away
Hold on
There will be tomorrow
In time
You'll find the way

And then a hero comes along
With the strength to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can survive
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you'll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you

That a hero lies in you

Always be my Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QapwJpAe7w


We were as one, babe
For a moment in time
And it seemed everlasting
That you would always be mine
Now you want to be free
So I'm letting you fly
'Cause I know in my heart, babe
Our love will never die, no

You'll always be a part of me
I'm part of you indefinitely
Boy, don't you know you can't escape me
Ooh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby
And we'll linger on
Time can't erase a feeling this strong
No way, you're never gonna shake me
Ooh darling,
'Cause you'll always be my baby

I ain't gonna cry, no
And I won't beg you to stay
If you're determined to leave, boy
I will not stand in your way
But inevitably, you'll be back again
'Cause you know in your heart, babe
Our love will never end, no, no

You'll always be a part of me
I'm part of you indefinitely
Boy, don't you know you can't escape me
Ooh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby
And we'll linger on
Time can't erase a feeling this strong
No way, you're never gonna shake me
Ooh darling,
'Cause you'll always be my baby

I know that you'll be back, boy
When your days and your nights get a little bit colder
I know that you'll be right back, baby
Oh baby, believe me
It's only a matter of time
Time

You'll always be a part of me (oh)
I'm part of you indefinitely (oh)
Boy, don't you know you can't escape me (yeah)
Ooh darling,
Beause you'll always be my baby
And we'll linger on (and we will linger on)
Time can't erase a feeling this strong (oh, oh oh)
No way, you're never gonna shake me (ooh baby)
Ooh darling,
'Cause you'll always be my baby
(Because you'll always be my baby, hey, whoa, oh)
(x2)

Never, no, no
You and I will always be
You and I..
You and I
You and I will always be
No way, you're never gonna shake me
No way, you're never gonna shake me
You and I will always be
No matter what you do baby...

Breakdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA1OdIfks1o


You called yesterday
To basicallly say
That you care for me
But that you're just not in love
Immediately I pretended
To be feeling similarly
And led you to believe it was okay
To just walk away from the one thing
That's unyielding and sacred to me

Well, I guess I'm trying to be
Nonchalant about it
And I'm going to extremes to prove
I'm fine without you
But in reality, I'm slowly losing my mind
Underneath a disguise of a smile
Gradually, I'm dying inside
Friends ask me how I feel
And I lie convincingly
'Cause I don't want to reveal
The fact that I'm suffering
So I wear my disguise
Till I go home at night
And turn down all the lights
And then I break down and cry

So what do you do
When somebody you're so devoted to
Suddenly just stops loving you
And it seems they haven't got a clue
Of the pain that rejection is putting you through
Do you cling to your pride
And sing "I Will Survive"
Do you lash out and say
"How dare you leave this way"?
Do you hold on in vain as they just slip away

Well I guess I'm trying to be
Nonchalant about it
And I'm going to extremes to prove
I'm fine without you
But in reality, I'm slowly losing my mind
Underneath the disguise of a smile
Gradually, I'm dying inside
Friends ask me how I feel
And I lie convincingly
Cause I don't want to reveal
The fact that I'm suffering
So I wear my disguise
Till I go home at night
And turn down all the lights
And then I break down and cry

Break break down, steady breakin' me on down
Break break down, steady breakin' me on down
Break break down, steady breakin' me on down
Break break down, steady breakin' me on down

(rap)
It'll break ya down
Only if you let it
Everday, crazy situation's rockin' my mind
Tryin' to break me down
But I won't let it (forget it)

I been feelin' like you breakin' me down
Kickin' me round, stressin' me out
I think I better go and get out
And let me relieve some stress
Don't ever wanna feel no pain, pain
Hopin' for the sun but it looks like rain, rain, rain
Lord, I just will not maintain

Oh yeah, often feel the pressures y'all
But never the less crazy won't fall
It's over, it's endin' here

Well I guess I'm trying to be
Nonchalant about it
And I'm going to extremes to prove
I'm fine without you
But in reality, I'm slowly losing my mind
Underneath the disguise of a smile
Gradually, I'm dying inside
Friends ask me how I feel
And I lie convincingly
Cause I don't want to reveal
The fact that I'm suffering
So I wear my disguise
Till I go home at night
And turn down all the lights
And then I break down and cry
[3x]


One Sweet Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzeMzo_4pxA


Sorry I never told you
All I wanted to say
And now it's too late to hold you
'Cause you've flown away
So far away

Never had I imagined
Living without your smile
Feeling and knowing you hear me
It keeps me alive
Alive

[Chorus:]
And I know you're shining down on me from heaven
Like so many friends we've lost along the way
And I know eventually we'll be together
One sweet day

Darling I never showed you
Assumed you'd always be there
I took your presence for granted
But I always cared
And I miss the love we shared

[Chorus]

Although the sun will never shine the same again
I'll always look to a brighter day
Lord I know when I lay me down to sleep
You will always listen as I pray

[Chorus]

Sorry I never told you
All I wanted to say


I Dont Wanna Cry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr5Abjc-Ys0&hd=1


Once again we sit in silence
After all is said and done
Only emptiness inside us
Baby look what we've become
We can make a million promises
But we still won't change
It isn't right to stay together
When you only bring each other pain

[Chorus:]
I don't wanna cry
Don't wanna cry
Nothing in the world
Could take us back
To where we used to be
Though I've given you my heart and soul
I must find a way of letting go
'Cause baby
I don't wanna cry

Too far apart to bridge the distance
But something keeps us hanging on and on
Pretending not to know the difference
Denying what we had is gone
Every moment we're together
It's just breaking me down
I know we swore it was forever
But it hurts too much to stay around

[Chorus]

All the magic's gone
There's just a shadow of a memory
Something just went wrong
We can't go on make-believing
On make-believing

[Chorus]

Fabrizio
April 16th, 2009, 11:44 AM
Ha, ha, ha... very funny... now back to my original request please:

"post a few, of what you consider, are the best songs that she's written.... songs that you feel are on par with, or better than, the best of Lennon&McCartney, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Carole King, Simon&Garfunkle and Joni Mitchell.

NYCboy1212
April 16th, 2009, 11:55 AM
Ha, ha, ha... very funny... now back to my request please:

"post a few, of what you consider, are the best songs that she's written.... songs that you feel are on par with, or better than, the best of Lennon&McCartney, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Carole King, Simon&Garfunkle and Joni Mitchell.

Ha so i was right when i stated your judgment of music is flawed. :rolleyes:

If you dot understand what i mean, take a guess.

We Belong Together is a masterpiece for R&B with its strong well put together structure. The style of strokes to the lyrics make it perfect.

Ninjahedge
April 16th, 2009, 12:05 PM
I just read "We Belong..."

1212, that lyric is hack. It is every love song that was written for the last 50 years.

"I never thought I would miss you so much, how I long for your kiss, etc etc".

No interesting turns of phrase, nothing really....

You really need to start listening around a bit before you post lyrics that do not support your position. Just liking a tune does not make it "the best ever".

Case in point? I kind of like "500 miles" by that hokey Australian duo... (I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more) but it has to be arguably one of the DUMBEST songs I have ever heard in my life. Ranking right up there with Breaking Benjamin's "Home" or Boy Hits Car "Going to India".

The songs may be catchy, but when you listen to what they are singing, you have to laugh.

Oh, I remember another one!

Days of the New "Where I Stand":

Some of us...
Play...
Life...
Like a board game,
Its new...
Fun...
And you play it,
With people
Theres a time...
You get tired...
And you put it away.
Then...
One day...
You get it out...
And the places are broken

It is trying to be poetic, but it is one of the silliest sounding things you will hear when you listen to it in the song.


What I am trying to say is that when someone asks you what you think is the best representation of your favorite artists piece, make sure you do not include the one with the best headlights, but no tires to run on.

NYCboy1212
April 16th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Ha, Its not hack listen to the video and look at the lyrics at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfBW7J7bANE&hd=1

Shes telling a story did you read the whole thing. If you watch the video first single which is the first song on the album and we belong together is the second song on the album and second single.
(if you watch this first then watch we belong together, it goes well together)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn8BpMYGgtA&hd=1

Also i never stated her being the "Best".

scumonkey
April 16th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Ha, Its not hack
That's right....it's Crap ;)

Also i never stated her being the "Best".
No, only the 'Greatest" :rolleyes:
give me a break:cool:

lofter1
April 16th, 2009, 12:41 PM
"Greatest" / "Best"

Compare and contrast.

Explain the difference, using in depth analysis.

NYCboy1212
April 16th, 2009, 12:49 PM
That's right....it's Crap ;)

No, only the 'Greatest" :rolleyes:
give me a break:cool:

Nor did i say greatest because i changed that, i dont know, hundreds of pages ago.

NYCboy1212
April 16th, 2009, 12:52 PM
Im just gonna post the famous recent single Touch My Body just for fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoSzJqkrcg&hd=1

scumonkey
April 16th, 2009, 12:58 PM
Nor did i say greatest ....Please reread the title of this ridiculous thread :rolleyes:

It should read Maria Carey greatest singer in the world-to horny, prepubescent teens, with no clue, and no real life experience ;)

NYCboy1212
April 16th, 2009, 01:53 PM
Please reread the title of this ridiculous thread :rolleyes:

It should read Maria Carey greatest singer in the world-to horny, prepubescent teens, with no clue, and no real life experience ;)

Well if you have a problem you go to tell her. She has a triplex in TriBeCa.

Ninjahedge
April 16th, 2009, 02:01 PM
Ha, Its not hack listen to the video and look at the lyrics at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfBW7J7bANE&hd=1

I never said it was to do both at the same time, but when you take the lyrics away from the sound track, and they cannot stand on their own, they are hack.


Shes telling a story did you read the whole thing. If you watch the video first single which is the first song on the album and we belong together is the second song on the album and second single.
(if you watch this first then watch we belong together, it goes well together)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn8BpMYGgtA&hd=1

Yes I did read it. It is like a teenage love story. About as deep as a Disney daytime television program.


Also i never stated her being the "Best".

Fair enough, but the question asked was to find one of the songs you think would be better than some of the confirmed classics of the modern era.

It is not an easy thing, there are many out there that have great lyrics, but the whineyness of the singer makes them hard to be called "best".

Talking Heads and Bob Dylan are examples of this. Dylan having some of teh best lyrics out there, an entire story in a song, but his voice is characteristic and hard to be considered the "best".

Testamony to him though that his songs have lasted this long DESPITE the trill whineyness of his voice.

Bruce Springstien will also not win any singing contests with that throat full of gravel, but his stuff says much more than a person crying because they hear love songs on the radio....



Ninjahedge
April 16th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Well if you have a problem you go to tell her. She has a triplex in TriBeCa.

OK, what does that have to do with the discussion?

If he could get to her, and tell her, would that change anything?

Come on boy!!! You know betterthan that. Read around the other forums here. Read how people here discuss politics, current events, architecture, hell even restaurants.

The majority of posts here try not to use arguments like this to devalue anothers statements. That kind of stuff is left for the principally unmodded and/or juvenile sites. We try to discuss a bit more here, although Scummonkey IS gettnig a bit tit-for-tatty there sometimes.... ;)

Try and learn a bit from this exchange. You may not change your opinion that MC is the best, or that she does or does not compare to the music industries greats, but you may find, at the very least, a few people you never really heard before.

You may expand your horizons.

Hell, I did not even know who Led Zeppelin was until I was out of High School! They just did not play them on the radio I listened to, so I never heard them!

Get out a bit more!

lofter1
April 16th, 2009, 02:08 PM
... She has a triplex in TriBeCa.

She's also got a spread (heh heh) in Jersey (methinks in Morris County).

Fabrizio
April 16th, 2009, 02:38 PM
Her fashion sense is definitely North Jersey.

(South Jersey, on the other hand, means lots of stretch terry cloth)

scumonkey
April 16th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Well if you have a problem...I'm not the one with the problem.

Scummonkey IS gettnig a bit tit-for-tatty there sometimes.... ;)sorry 'bout that but, it's hard not to when responding to such repeated drivel, especially when it's obvious that nothing said is sinking in :rolleyes:

NYCboy1212
April 16th, 2009, 03:03 PM
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Talking Heads and Bob Dylan are examples of this. Dylan having some of teh best lyrics out there, an entire story in a song, but his voice is characteristic and hard to be considered the "best".





:cool:like slick rick:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRC4ziQpb5I


Here we go,
Once upon a time not long ago,
when people wore pajamas and lived life slow,
When laws were stern and justice stood,
and people were behavin' like they ought ta good,
There lived a lil' boy who was misled,
by anotha lil' boy and this is what he said:
"Me, Ya, Ty, we gonna make sum cash,
robbin' old folks and makin' tha dash",
They did the job, money came with ease,
but one couldn't stop, it's like he had a disease,
He robbed another and another and a sista and her brotha,
tried to rob a man who was a D.T. undercover,
The cop grabbed his arm, he started acting erratic,
he said "Keep still, boy, no need for static",
Punched him in his belly and he gave him a slap,
but little did he know the lil' boy was strapped,
The kid pulled out a gun, he said "Why did ya hit me ?",
the barrel was set straight for the cop's kidney,
The cop got scared, the kid, he starts to figure,
"I'll do years if I pull this trigga",
So he cold dashed and ran around the block,
cop radioes it to another lady cop,
He ran by a tree, there he saw this sista,
a shot for the head, he shot back but he missed her,
Looked around good and from expectations,
so he decided he'd head for the subway stations,
But she was coming and he made a left,
he was runnin' top speed till he was outta breath,
Knocked an old man down and swore he killed him,
then he made his move to an abandoned building,
Ran up the stairs up to the top floor,
opened up the door there, guess who he saw?,
Dave the dope fiend shootin' dope,
who don't know the meaning of water nor soap,
He said "I need bullets, hurry up, run!"
the dope fiend brought back a spanking shotgun,
He went outside but there was cops all over,
then he dipped into a car, a stolen Nova (?),
Raced up the block doing 83,
crashed into a tree near university,
Escaped alive though the car was battered,
rat-a-tat-tatted and all the cops scattered,
Ran out of bullets and still had static,
grabbed a pregnant lady and out the automatic,
Pointed at her head and he said the gun was full o' lead,
he told the cops "Back off or honey here's dead",
Deep in his heart he knew he was wrong,
so he let the lady go and he starts to run on,
Sirens sounded, he seemed astounded,
before long the lil' boy got surrounded,
He dropped the gun, so went the glory,
and this is the way I must end this story,
He was only seventeen, in a madman's dream,
the cops shot the kid, I still hear him scream,
This ain't funny so don't ya dare laugh,
just another case 'bout the wrong path,
Straight 'n narrow or yo' soul gets cast(?).

Ninjahedge
April 16th, 2009, 03:28 PM
I'm not the one with the problem.
sorry 'bout that but, it's hard not to when responding to such repeated drivel, especially when it's obvious that nothing said is sinking in :rolleyes:

And those Typos!!!!! (guilty) ;)