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BrooklynRider
March 8th, 2009, 04:57 PM
Project: Avalon Fort Greene
Location: 159 Myrtle Ave @ Flatbush Avenue
Developer: Avalon Bay
Height: 42-story
Units: 650-unit rental
Architect: Perkins Eastman Architects

Rendering:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/avalonmyrtlemontage1007.jpg

Progress at 3/7/2009

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0014-1.jpg

lofter1
March 8th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Has any significant amount of new retail -- including a proper supermarket -- gone in at the area around Flatbush / DeKalb / Myrtle to service all the new residents in this area?

BrooklynLove
March 8th, 2009, 07:32 PM
Cats has Duane Reade and Gristedes in his new development. That's all I've heard at this point. There may also be a car rental place going in the Avalon, Toren or Oro garage.

The brick I've seen on Avalon must be the middle portion b/c the coloring resembles the center strip in the render.

BrooklynLove
March 8th, 2009, 07:37 PM
http://www.avalonfortgreene.com/ :D

http://www.avalonfortgreene.com/images/mainpic_01.jpg

stache
March 9th, 2009, 12:28 AM
I've been working in that area lately and the neighborhood has a ways to come yet.

BrooklynLove
March 9th, 2009, 06:00 AM
The immediate area is undergoing a pretty radical change. It's going to take some time. 10-15 years is realistic.

stache
March 9th, 2009, 07:01 AM
I'm not extremely familiar with the 'before'.

BrooklynLove
March 9th, 2009, 08:58 PM
basically 4th ave 5 yrs ago.

Tectonic
March 16th, 2009, 06:15 AM
Avalon gets its skin:

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2009/03/688476.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2009/03/688475.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2009/03/688474.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2009/03/688469.jpg

BrooklynLove
March 16th, 2009, 07:43 AM
Not apparent from the photos but the color is very close to that of Oro's skin. Unlike some renderings that seemed to indicate a darker reddish tone for all but the middled portions of each facade face, it's looking like the entirety of the skin will have this color.

zinka
March 17th, 2009, 01:30 AM
Exposed concrete floorplates + brick = not a good combination.

Derek2k3
March 17th, 2009, 02:58 AM
The residents in public housing across the street will have nothing to get jealous about. They probably have larger apartments too.

BrooklynLove
March 17th, 2009, 07:40 AM
Long way to go still, I'm more concerned with 111L.

zinka
March 25th, 2009, 01:10 PM
From a Brownstoner comment on http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/03/avalon_myrtle_s.php :

"In case no one has noticed, both the brick facing and the rest of the construction of Avalon Myrtle halted 2 weeks ago at 32nd floor. Any lowdown on this? Meanwhile Catsimatidis is showing progress and is well into the sixth story of his mixed-use bldg on Ashland/Myrtle."

zinka
March 25th, 2009, 02:35 PM
From a Brownstoner comment on http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/03/avalon_myrtle_s.php :

"In case no one has noticed, both the brick facing and the rest of the construction of Avalon Myrtle halted 2 weeks ago at 32nd floor. Any lowdown on this? Meanwhile Catsimatidis is showing progress and is well into the sixth story of his mixed-use bldg on Ashland/Myrtle."

To answer my own question, I found the stop work order:
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/OverviewForComplaintServlet?requestid=4&vlcompdetlkey=0001147189

BrooklynRider
April 1st, 2009, 01:23 AM
1.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/nyc%203-31-2009/th_03312009012.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/nyc%203-31-2009/?action=view&current=03312009012.jpg)

2.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/nyc%203-31-2009/th_03312009013.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/nyc%203-31-2009/?action=view&current=03312009013.jpg)

antinimby
April 1st, 2009, 08:15 PM
Wow look how thin those floorplates are. If you dropped a bowling ball on the floor, it'll probably crack the floor. Cheap in every way, even down to the structure.

ZippyTheChimp
April 1st, 2009, 08:59 PM
Spongy underlayment and deep shag carpeting will take care of that.

stache
April 1st, 2009, 11:13 PM
Yeah baby!

speedy1979
April 8th, 2009, 10:47 PM
Wow look how thin those floorplates are. If you dropped a bowling ball on the floor, it'll probably crack the floor. Cheap in every way, even down to the structure.

Are those floors post-tensioned? That would allow them to be very thin and yet strong. :confused:

kz1000ps
April 16th, 2009, 01:47 PM
4/13.... only the finest:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8264/img0785g.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7725/img0788y.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8008/img0789.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8431/img0792a.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6178/img0798h.jpg

lofter1
April 16th, 2009, 02:06 PM
Exposed Floorplates!

Yes!!!!

It's about time they made their long-awaited return ;)

Alonzo-ny
April 16th, 2009, 05:35 PM
Some horrifying images there.

BrooklynLove
April 19th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Okay I'm throwing in the towel on this one. I walked by today and the first floor of windows are in. Butt ugly.

zinka
April 19th, 2009, 11:05 PM
Okay I'm throwing in the towel on this one. I walked by today and the first floor of windows are in. Butt ugly.


I wish I could say I was surprised that this turned out ugly, but I've expected it from day one.

Stroika
April 20th, 2009, 11:39 PM
All I know is that if there's ever another moderate-to-large earthquake in New York (http://www.nyc24.org/2006/issue2/story03/index.html), you do NOT want to find yourself in this building. Looks like it'd fold like a house of cards.

stache
April 21st, 2009, 02:33 AM
^ Agree.

speedy1979
April 21st, 2009, 04:51 PM
I'm no engineer but those floor plates do appear to be rather fragile. What would really be interesting to see are pictures of the shear wall.

The floor plates appear fragile and the facade is low quality. Will it survive an earthquake? I don't know but it certainly doesn't look good.

BrooklynLove
April 21st, 2009, 08:25 PM
If earthquake survival is the test then the vast majority of NYC structures aren't passing.

philvia
April 25th, 2009, 01:55 AM
the floor plates could be tensioned which would give it the same strength as thicker ones... but probably not likely.

anyways, the windows on this are BROWN! Why do people insist on using "neutral" colors for everything :rolleyes:

scumonkey
April 25th, 2009, 02:14 AM
Good God- who in the hell would want to live
in a space, And have to look out through Brown windows?
(chit brown... for a chit building)

BrooklynRider
May 13th, 2009, 08:00 PM
1.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0339.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0339.jpg)

2.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0348.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0348.jpg)

3.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0349.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0349.jpg)

4.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0350.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0350.jpg)

5.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0351.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0351.jpg)

BrooklynLove
May 14th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Still blows my mind that these buildings are going up here. Awesome.

antinimby
May 15th, 2009, 12:45 PM
Really? If that blows your mind then it must be feeeeeble.

NoyokA
May 15th, 2009, 01:14 PM
Give it a rest! You're becoming really annoying constantly following BrooklynLove and insulting him.

BrooklynLove
May 15th, 2009, 01:28 PM
Where is the fly swatter icon?

scumonkey
May 15th, 2009, 02:22 PM
Ask and ye shall receive!
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss243/effthis/flyswat.gif

BrooklynLove
May 15th, 2009, 04:35 PM
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/image.php?u=3401&dateline=1195106617 (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/member.php?u=3401)http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss243/effthis/flyswat.gif


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Alonzo-ny
May 20th, 2009, 01:38 PM
It blows my mind how badly designed those buildings are.

ramvid01
May 20th, 2009, 02:18 PM
^^When building's are so dispicable as these, it is not a question of how badly designed they are, but if they were designed at all.

BrooklynRider
May 21st, 2009, 11:49 PM
It looks like it might have a little public space out from. Oh, from the public space you'd have to look at Metrotech, across the street. Bad public space. Bad. Bad.

1.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0457.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0457.jpg)

2.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0458.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0458.jpg)

3.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0462.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0462.jpg)

This is my "art" photo. I posted another similar one in the Toren thread. I think the one in Toren thread is better.

4.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN0453.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN0453.jpg)

Antares41
May 22nd, 2009, 12:45 AM
Wow! this is rising fast. If I was getting an apartment there I think I would opt for a view of the Toren, easily one of the most aesthetically pleasing bldg built in NYC in a long, long time.

BrooklynRider
June 1st, 2009, 03:10 AM
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/th_DSCN1052.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/?action=view&current=DSCN1052.jpg)

Gulcrapek
June 8th, 2009, 10:47 PM
May 17, a kind of broad view of typical floors.. the individual bricks are actually kind of nice

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3351/3608919817_6330e32865_b.jpg

BrooklynLove
June 15th, 2009, 08:13 PM
This is one of Avalon's worst I think. Unfortunate.

kz1000ps
June 22nd, 2009, 09:00 PM
Saturday:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9499/img1490j.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/872/img1498z.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3489/img1499f.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6857/img1501z.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2433/img1502n.jpg

Tectonic
June 28th, 2009, 05:07 PM
https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713050.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713051.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713052.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/06/713056.jpg

InvisibleMan BK
June 28th, 2009, 06:50 PM
I didnt think it was possible, but the Avalon Bay project actually
looks worse than the ORO. The toren puts it to shame.

RoldanTTLB
July 12th, 2009, 10:14 PM
I want this to be ugly, but it's really just boring. It would have to be way more offensive (111 Lawrence) to be ugly.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlqHOQBzIjI/AAAAAAAAC2E/t132_PhwwZ8/s800/DSC01750.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlqHhCs7V6I/AAAAAAAAC2Y/OFBaapLWfDo/s800/DSC01756.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlqHo_a5JFI/AAAAAAAAC2g/ExKe_3lmHD0/s800/DSC01758.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlqH1k_M8pI/AAAAAAAAC20/1cSmjzIxY30/s800/DSC01762.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlqH-dXH4MI/AAAAAAAAC28/SrP83pT0dwI/s800/DSC01764.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlqICgIjBlI/AAAAAAAAC3A/CXpeRFkrphY/s800/DSC01765.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SlqITd_px6I/AAAAAAAAC3c/m03vM_35JkI/s800/DSC01771.JPG

Tectonic
August 17th, 2009, 01:28 AM
https://community.emporis.com/nwimages/6/2009/08/721756.jpg

Derek2k3
August 17th, 2009, 07:56 AM
ouch.

stache
August 17th, 2009, 12:15 PM
Who in hell would want to live there? :confused:

speedy1979
August 17th, 2009, 12:29 PM
Someone who doesn't want to live in 111 Lawrence St.

stache
August 17th, 2009, 02:39 PM
Lol!

Tectonic
August 17th, 2009, 03:13 PM
In fairness to AFG, that spot is about a block away behind what is supposed to become Red Apple Group Myrtle Avenue Development in Downtown Brooklyn - Dattner Architects.
(http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21725)

BrooklynLove
August 17th, 2009, 08:22 PM
Avalon Bay is very successful at this strategy. I recall when people were poking fun at their decision to put up Riverview 1 in LIC back in 2002. That worked out decently for them and this location is way less of stretch than that one was.

BrooklynLove
August 17th, 2009, 10:09 PM
Website fully built out now: http://www.avalonfortgreene.com/

RoldanTTLB
August 17th, 2009, 10:31 PM
Avalon Bay is very successful at this strategy. I recall when people were poking fun at their decision to put up Riverview 1 in LIC back in 2002. That worked out decently for them and this location is way less of stretch than that one was.

As someone who signed a lease but never moved into Riverview North over in LIC, here's the thing with these Avalon buildings. They are (in some particular order):

1.) Expensive - You could easily get a place cheaper if you worked at it, BUT...
2.) Easy - the staff is friendly, knowledgeable, and the paperwork is quick and simple. They seem like upstanding types, and it's just a pleasant experience looking at one of their buildings. No crazy landlord to creep anyone out.
3.) Boring - They're boring, but not outright offensive in any way (unless you are offended by the bland, but I mean, really, come on!). They lack surprises, which, when renting a place, especially your first place, or first place in the city, can be a huge plus.
4.) Surprisingly well laid out - So many conversions and even new build have horrible layouts/arrangements between units. To the Avalon's credit, while their floorplans are simple, they are also humane. Bathrooms aren't generally off the kitchen, bedrooms are generally separated by some kind of token hallway, and best of all, the apartments are arranged bedroom to bedroom and living room to living room so you don't have to lie awake at night listening to your neighbor's kid playing xbox loud at 3 am.
5.) Well amenity-ed - The movie rooms, gyms, etc are all very nice. I think the only buildings of the same class I've been in that I've considered better put together are the various new Rockrose ones (2 Gold, East Coast 1 [EC2 is not as nice, although the amenities are all in that building], etc).

In any event, while this building is not a masterpiece by any stretch, and no Avalon buildings are, it will be successful, and it should be. It's a solid building done well in a good location. No, it's not Toren next door, but it's also not the Brooklyner, and it's definitely not some of those monsters they've slapped up in Jersey perched over the highway on the way into town. All in all, I look forward to Avalon's continued dominance. Their next brooklyn project looks to be even more massive. Hopefully it will feature some kind of interesting crown to take advantage of the height. That's my .02 on the whole Avalon thing.

Derek2k3
August 17th, 2009, 10:57 PM
Thanks for that well put together post.

Stroika
August 19th, 2009, 11:16 PM
Roldan, will have to agree to disagree as I would absolutely love to see Avalon go belly up. This thing (like all Avalons) is Cabrini Green for the rich. Avalon more than almost anyone else would see their destruction of the city upended by zoning laws that apply to width, rather than height. Until then, they'll continue to build 40-story landscrapers across 10 contiguous, assembled plots and under the maxim: build it as cheaply as possible, rent it out as expensive as possible.

RoldanTTLB
August 20th, 2009, 09:40 PM
Roldan, will have to agree to disagree as I would absolutely love to see Avalon go belly up. This thing (like all Avalons) is Cabrini Green for the rich. Avalon more than almost anyone else would see their destruction of the city upended by zoning laws that apply to width, rather than height. Until then, they'll continue to build 40-story landscrapers across 10 contiguous, assembled plots and under the maxim: build it as cheaply as possible, rent it out as expensive as possible.

I mean, it's ok that you are not looking forward to their dominance, but someone has to build these buildings. They won't be expensive forever, only while they're new. Based on the level at which they are building these buildings at, they will make solid midlevel stock not 20 years from now. It's something not nearly enough groups are building right now, or even in the recent past. Buildings are not unlike consumer electronics. They come out at a premium price for some time, and then slowly but surely fade. It wasn't 100 years ago when Washington Heights, where I live, was a playground for the rich. Our building was only 18 units (it's now 60). Someone has to be building something new, or the entire stock is aging without being refreshed. I mean, are these buildings wider than they should be? I don't know. I do not find either of the LIC towers to be particularly wide, and the Bowery development is large, but not some kind of sun blocking monster. Based on the site of the coming avalon willoughby, I suspect it will be a more classically styled square podium with a squarer tower on top as well. I just don't know. What, exactly, is the problem with rich people? Additionally, if you and your other half each make 50k a year, you can afford a unit in an avalon building. I agree that such an income is richer than the average, but it is nowhere near rich by NYC standards, and as I said, they have spectacular amenities.

Suffice to say, I'm sorry to hear you want to see someone fail at what they are doing, but I understand your dislike of the buildings in general. I think in the long run, though, they will be useful additions to the neighborhoods in which they are built.

BrooklynRider
August 20th, 2009, 10:36 PM
I temd to agree with you. Rent Stabilization expires when rents reach $2,000. It really won't be around too much longer. As these apartments are aded to the market, the whole city becomes free market. Housing is still a valuable commodity, but middle income ("affordable") housing is the real growth market. Personally, I love New York, but I think I would consider any option that might take me to another less expensive part of the country.

Gulcrapek
October 5th, 2011, 11:10 PM
10/05/11

http://i.imgur.com/Xjd1y.jpg

Not sure what's going on here but it really doesn't affect the overall ugliness

http://i.imgur.com/1u2Iy.jpg

Derek2k3
October 6th, 2011, 04:51 AM
I wonder how people with that giant rental sign over their windows feel.

Gulcrapek
October 6th, 2011, 10:26 AM
The one on the other side is bigger.

lofter1
October 6th, 2011, 12:16 PM
Hmmm, sterilization panels right outside the window as the new urban standard?

RoldanTTLB
October 6th, 2011, 12:51 PM
I don't know, having good 3G reception is, as far as I'm concerned, way better than having children. It's also somewhat cheaper.