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Troyeth
April 16th, 2009, 05:22 AM
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April, 2009

ablarc
April 16th, 2009, 07:01 AM
Wow!

Thanks, Troyeth. You sure post some interesting collections of photos!

Rotterdam was wonderful. What a loss!

ablarc
April 16th, 2009, 07:15 AM
The modern building with the slender tower: was that the city hall?

Alonzo-ny
April 16th, 2009, 10:14 AM
I think its an industrial building, a warehouse maybe.

TREPYE
April 17th, 2009, 12:11 AM
Picture from Wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Rotterdambrandgrens02.jpg/800px-Rotterdambrandgrens02.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Rotterdambrandgrens02.jpg)

Skyline of Rotterdam with lights commemorating the Rotterdam Blitz.

Troyeth
September 24th, 2009, 11:49 AM
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londonlawyer
September 28th, 2009, 01:39 AM
Very sad.

Alonzo-ny
September 28th, 2009, 10:56 AM
Luckily Rotterdam has many good examples of good modern architecture.

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 05:11 PM
As a cohesive visual unit, however, I truly believe the modern city fails disastrously when compared to old Rotterdam. (By the way, could you post some examples? I would very much enjoy broadening this topic to the new life--and not just the death--of Rotterdam).

Although a Rotterdam street can often be host to enough people to be considered vibrant, its architecture is vapid, pompous and sometimes ridiculous (oftentimes a Modernist synonym for clever). In other perhaps more confusing words, Rotterdam has good enough urban fabric, but the fabric is typically a chaotic pastiche of often dated patterns, symbols and designs.

Other less wealthy cities rebuilt (e.g. Gdansk), and maybe Rotterdam should have followed suit. A replication like Gdansk need not be necessary, but at least the new city could have been erected in the vernacular Dutch tradition.

Just my two cents...

Alonzo-ny
September 28th, 2009, 05:13 PM
Interesting. Unfortunately I have never visited. Would it be at all accurate to say the city has examples of the new Dutch style of architecture?

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Actually, yes. I think it is exemplified by folks like Rem Koolhaas.

And, if I may, I would like to interject that I am not a fan.

Alonzo-ny
September 28th, 2009, 06:10 PM
I can't say I'm a huge fan of Koolhaas or new Dutch architecture in general either. I think there are good examples but some leaves alot to be desired.

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 06:19 PM
What is most peculiar about our shared view is that it seems to contrast almost completely with typical Dutch opinions regarding architecture.

If there ever was a place where Modernism (in whatever form) still maintained its popularity and unconditional fan-base, it is the Netherlands.

In fact, in 2007 the national newspaper/tabloid Trouw selected (via its voting readers) the following structure as the most beautiful in the entire Netherlands:

http://www.volkskrant.nl/multimedia/archive/00091/Gasunie__mooiste_geb_91217b.jpg

Alonzo-ny
September 28th, 2009, 06:21 PM
Really? Yuk.

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 06:23 PM
Really.

In addition, I have heard at minimum two Dutch academics praise its "organic, billowing form" as lovely.

By the way, a healthy portion (but not all) of a main city park was removed for the structure.

Alonzo-ny
September 28th, 2009, 06:39 PM
This really surprises me. I considered the Dutch one of the better countries for good architecture.

WizardOfOss
September 28th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Seems like I'm more typical Dutch than I thought, I like that Gasunie-HQ (although I can think of nicer buildings), and I do like the rebuilt Rotterdam. IMHO it's the only city in our country that really feels like a city, not like a big village. And I really don't like the two of the three things we are best known for in the whole world, Amsterdam and Heineken...
(I don't use drugs, so I can't judge that third thing...)

That said, the old Rotterdam also looked great, imagine that with some of the modern architecture blended in, wouldn't that look amazing?

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 06:44 PM
From what I understand the Netherlands is a Modernist's playground, particularly Rotterdam; Cube Houses, gleaming white bridges, fancy new high-rises, etc.

The only question is, do thirty Modernist masterpieces build a city? I think it's debatable.

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 06:48 PM
Seems like I'm more typical Dutch than I thought, I like that Gasunie-HQ (although I can think of nicer buildings), and I do like the rebuilt Rotterdam. IMHO it's the only city in our country that really feels like a city, not like a big village. And I really don't like the two of the three things we are best known for in the whole world, Amsterdam and Heineken...



That is interesting. When I visit Amsterdam, Groningen, Utrecht, Maastricht, etc., I feel a very powerful urban presence. Cities like Los Angeles most certainly have taller buildings, but the former have a far more potent urban presence and atmosphere. In fact, Amsterdam feels very, very crowded (but in a quality, dense-conurbation way).

Perhaps it is merely your (and other Dutch citizenry's) perceptions on what a city is, or what it ought to be; most certainly these are the ideas that are constructing modern Rotterdam. And go figure, it is looking pretty American.

Tall buildings don't make a city.

lofter1
September 28th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Is it a hospital?

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 06:54 PM
If I am not mistaken, I believe it was a gas company headquarters building.

Check it out, here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasunie_Building).

Alonzo-ny
September 28th, 2009, 06:55 PM
I consider Amsterdam one of the best urban environments in the world. I'd love it if the weed and hookers left to be honest.

Troyeth
September 28th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Agreed, and it feels more like een grote stad than een kleine dorp to me.

Alonzo-ny
September 28th, 2009, 07:02 PM
I would probably compare it in size to Glasgow or Edinburgh here in Scotland. It definitely isn't een kleine dorp.

Luca
October 3rd, 2009, 11:55 AM
The big bauhaus-style department store is still there.

Mostly an ugly town with non-contextual modern architecture BUT often very good urbanism.