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RoldanTTLB
August 29th, 2009, 09:44 AM
So now that I have actual photos, and the building(s) is(are) truly under construction looking, I think it's separate thread time for this monster. Just as a quick reminder, here's the only render seemingly ever (thanks curbed):
http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_10_gothamcenter.jpg

From all of the press releases, it looks like they are starting with the 21 story building on the right (the one the DYCDOH is committed to renting). If that's the case, then the first render is set facing the site from just past the Queensboro Plaza station.

And here's some photos from Thursday evening:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SpkpkkHdu1I/AAAAAAAADQA/xEjGMO3aWjQ/s800/DSC02094.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SpkpoZo7p-I/AAAAAAAADQE/cdxOXkeH5Mg/s800/DSC02095.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Spkpr3neQ7I/AAAAAAAADQI/tGCmx9DDFCk/s800/DSC02096.JPG

Crane TBD:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Spkpul1GOOI/AAAAAAAADQM/HIK0c17VRso/s800/DSC02097.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SpkpxXxExzI/AAAAAAAADQQ/mcN0Frgd6Ig/s800/DSC02098.JPG

And a photo care of liqCity (http://liqcity.com) from June 4th to gauge progress:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2429/3596567322_94fc737d02.jpg

TREPYE
August 29th, 2009, 12:16 PM
Shouldn't they at least somewhat employ the archtiectural style they name themselves after in the buildings design?
Where are the gothic elements??????
:rolleyes:
In this case they should have named it as it is: "Typically Unimaginitive Modernist Center"

stache
August 29th, 2009, 04:05 PM
Goth⋅am


(http://ask.reference.com/web?q=Use+gotham+in+a+Sentence&qsrc=2892&o=101993)

–noun 1. a journalistic nickname for New York City. 2. an English village, proverbial for the foolishness of its inhabitants.

sfenn1117
August 29th, 2009, 05:51 PM
Tishman Speyer seems to like Gensler (8th Ave Intercontinental)

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=410133305&passdocnumber=01

ZippyTheChimp
August 30th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Salmagundi - Washington Irving (http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/05/us/l-new-york-was-gotham-before-batman-829789.html)

lofter1
August 30th, 2009, 01:16 PM
Washington Irving foresaw WNY :D


Irving refers to New York City as Gotham throughout ''Salmagundi'':

''Oh! Gotham, Gotham! most enlightened of cities! - how does my heart swell with delight when I be-hold your sapient inhabitants lavishing their attention with such wonderful discernment!''

londonlawyer
August 30th, 2009, 04:06 PM
Have any tenants signed on? I don't see how speculative construction can proceed in this market.

RoldanTTLB
August 30th, 2009, 06:36 PM
Have any tenants signed on? I don't see how speculative construction can proceed in this market.

Yes, the NYC Department of Health is signed up to rent the entire first 22 story building. That's why it's phase 1 and being built. Currently, the other phases seem more uncertain. It's a great spot for office space, though, and Tishman seems pretty gung ho about their giant piece of land, so it's probably only a matter of time. A ton of hotels have also popped up in the area that will support the needs of businesses there as well (they are currently tourist traps from what I can tell, although when I lived on RI, I put my parents up in LIC since it was so convenient).

londonlawyer
September 9th, 2009, 09:28 PM
Isn't there a new hotel planned for this area? (It's on CetraRuddy.com.)

stache
September 10th, 2009, 03:52 AM
The hookers are petitioning for one. ;)

londonlawyer
September 10th, 2009, 10:58 AM
Funny.

I looked on the Starwood website and noted that the hotel, which is pretty
nice, will be on the other side of Queens Blvd.

NoyokA
November 2nd, 2009, 08:46 PM
From the yellow line today:

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1355/a5f8af90c1ec4179b735f6d8c53dee1e.jpg

antinimby
November 2nd, 2009, 09:59 PM
Ugh...deadly dull, sterile, glass box(es). Give me back the grit.

Will this even have retail or are we going to have an urban office park?

BrooklynLove
November 3rd, 2009, 06:43 AM
From the yellow line today

Yellow line?

ramvid01
November 3rd, 2009, 09:57 AM
^n/w

BrooklynLove
November 3rd, 2009, 07:49 PM
This is NY, not DC.

NoyokA
November 3rd, 2009, 07:55 PM
Many New Yorker's say the color of the line instead of listing the subways that run on it. They're color coordinated for a reason. Saying green line is easier than saying the four, five, six line.

scumonkey
November 3rd, 2009, 08:56 PM
Many?!
In 30 years of living in Manhattan -you are the first person (outside of a Bostonian) I've ever heard use colors rather than letters or numbers to denote a particular line.

antinimby
November 3rd, 2009, 09:00 PM
Same here. I've never heard of anyone in the city mention the color of the train.

Usually just the letter or number of the train, i.e. "the F train" or "the number 7 train."

NoyokA
December 4th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Back to the snorefest...

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1481/681af0b8a3004e199add86f5fc84acf3.jpg

Jaffster
December 4th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Is this building going to be visible from Manhattan?

NoyokA
December 4th, 2009, 08:58 PM
Its one subway stop away from Manhattan so it should be visible.

Derek2k3
December 12th, 2009, 12:13 AM
Glass going up.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2799/4175978967_ef5b9bd8d6_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2486/4175976959_ac5583592b_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/4175972603_554813ca75_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/4176738148_0b47ddf3a9_b.jpg
liqcity (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liqcity/4176738148/in/pool-curbed)

kz1000ps
December 12th, 2009, 03:34 AM
So not deserving of its name.

stache
December 12th, 2009, 04:48 AM
Looks like good quality glass. I was thinking 'yellow line' was some kind of pee party. :eek:

BrooklynLove
December 12th, 2009, 06:35 AM
Yes! You go LIC.

antinimby
December 12th, 2009, 12:29 PM
This place will be as sterile and dead as it was once gritty and dead.

Just replace gritty with sterile.

Stroika
December 12th, 2009, 01:54 PM
It reminds me of what "3 Columbus Circle" will look like after that turd Moinian finishes with it and leaves a glassy carcass behind.

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_1_3columbus.jpg

BrooklynLove
December 12th, 2009, 02:13 PM
This place will be as sterile and dead as it was once gritty and dead.

Just replace gritty with sterile.

No coffee yet?

antinimby
December 13th, 2009, 10:36 AM
Not a coffee drinker.

Do you think the streets around these towers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liqcity/4175970877/) will be vibrant?

The problem is that the office buildings here will turn this area into something that will have the look and feel of an average midsize American downtown: sterile and dead.

I'm not against their building mind you, I just don't like how they're doing it.

It's 2009 (soon to be 2010) we should know how to do things better.

BrooklynLove
December 13th, 2009, 02:01 PM
I don't disagree with your critique. I think we differ in approach - I'm focused instead on how the result is an improvement over the current state to the exclusion of how it is not.

I think you may be the first architect I have met who is not a coffee junkie. Something tells me that I'm about to meet some more with that comment ...

antinimby
December 13th, 2009, 02:33 PM
Is it really an improvement?

Yes, there are a few new, soulless office buildings (and squat ones at that) instead of a parking garage and dilapidated industrial buildings but the area will be just as empty.

They'll just be taking up space that might otherwise be used for better projects that would really enliven the area and that might make LIC a place to visit instead of passing through or drudgingly going to work at.

The office workers will go to work in the morning and empty out of the area immediately at the end of the day. This could be Houston, Omaha, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Tampa and so on.

Just replace one empty (rundown) for another empty (squeaky clean).

By the way, I'm not an architect. I don't even consider myself much of an architecture person. Just someone who is an urban enthusiast.

BrooklynLove
December 13th, 2009, 10:12 PM
Better to have people 9-5 than barely any at all. There are several new resi buildings a few blocks to the west and I expect the gap to close over time as the area continues to clean up.

Not an architect? I thought you were for some reason. So it appears that my coffee stereotype shall continue unshattered.

RoldanTTLB
December 14th, 2009, 12:42 AM
Better to have people 9-5 than barely any at all. There are several new resi buildings a few blocks to the west and I expect the gap to close over time as the area continues to clean up.

Not an architect? I thought you were for some reason. So it appears that my coffee stereotype shall continue unshattered.


There are hundreds of new units within blocks of here, some rental, others condo. There are also a bunch of hotels. As far as a well built mixed neighborhood, LIC is missing the 'lunch crowd' the most. The fact that the DOHMH workers will all be able to file out of this building and go directly to Dutch Kills (the bar, not the street or the neighborhood) makes me INTENSELY jealous. The list of residential oriented amenities close to here is rapidly growing, and because there are hotels in the area (and lots), there is already a tourist element to pick up weekend slack. As I said before, what is missing right now, and keeping the neighborhood from total greatness is the office bunch. This is going to take a big step towards fulfilling that. I really look forward to it.

antinimby
December 14th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Will these office buildings have retail on the ground floor? There needs to be retail and mix use in all of the new buildings.

RoldanTTLB
December 14th, 2009, 04:07 PM
Will these office buildings have retail on the ground floor? There needs to be retail and mix use in all of the new buildings.

I agree completely about retail in the ground floor. I don't know if there will be any. It would be bad if there weren't. That would create a dead street where there could afford to be something of interest. It's my biggest problem with the Queens West stuff. There's just a bit too much garage space killing the streetscape.

kz1000ps
December 19th, 2009, 05:49 PM
Yesterday:

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7291/img5301p.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/729/img5305f.jpg

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/5064/img5307t.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9743/img5308i.jpg

NoyokA
December 19th, 2009, 07:27 PM
That's from the amtrak line right?

kz1000ps
December 19th, 2009, 09:01 PM
You got it... great views that elevated line offers!

RoldanTTLB
December 19th, 2009, 10:10 PM
Only about 3 floors to go. It's not incredibly tall, but boy it looks it based on everything else in the area. I really hope they build the second tower. I hear a bunch of the TF Cornerstone/Rockrose stuff slated for the area is supposed to kick off really soon, and all that's 40+ stories.

MidtownGuy
December 20th, 2009, 01:04 PM
This place will be as sterile and dead as it was once gritty and dead.

Just replace gritty with sterile. Seems like the trend these days.

New building in such areas can be great, but can't they design things so that they create a feeling of place/neighborhood at street level? It just feels so forlorn and joyless. Build retail and restaurants in the bottom of every high rise or else the neighborhood has no soul.

ablarc
December 20th, 2009, 01:21 PM
Will there be strip joints?

BrooklynRider
December 23rd, 2009, 12:39 PM
No. No. No.

Only, "Breast Showrooms".

NoyokA
January 23rd, 2010, 12:36 AM
This building is incredibly boring, I didn't realize we were still in the early 1980's. A box with a soft curve, wow, how original! That said the skin is very nice.

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1681/ff73dfa9a02444a19990174bb3bff859.jpg

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1681/36696c19d6ba48b18a139dce4a6891f9.jpg

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1681/40f088d0d1b24fbaafffab4132befb83.jpg

Its remarkable how much Long Island City Court Square looks like Houston or some other southern city.

futurecity
January 23rd, 2010, 12:46 AM
Yes, they do not seem to be focusing on creating any pedestrian friendly plazas, retail, or anything like that. However, the openess of this type of development is a welcome respite to the tight grid and density of urban NYC.

ablarc
January 23rd, 2010, 07:07 AM
Yes, they do not seem to be focusing on creating any pedestrian friendly plazas, retail, or anything like that. However, the openess of this type of development is a welcome respite to the tight grid and density of urban NYC.
Especially if you're in a car.

NoyokA
January 23rd, 2010, 11:04 AM
Which is the wrong kind of thinking since its one of the best areas in the City served by mass transit. I think the renovation of Queensplaza would help alot, can't they direct some of Obama's stimulus money to that?

http://newyork.construction.com/images/2009/10/091001-14.jpg

futurecity
January 23rd, 2010, 02:13 PM
As I have talked about before in this forum, I believe NYC needs more pedestrian zones. A place like this would benefit from a pedestrian shopping plaza and park, even without having a tight dense grid development structure full of cars on every street. Yes, perhaps that might make it more NYC, but a different urban structure I think would be a pleasant contrast to the bee-hive-esque intensity that one finds elsewhere. Not everywhere has to look like Manhattan or Inner Brooklyn to work well. Look at Pudong or Dubai -- nobody there is complaining that there is too much light and space between buildings.... I think more people like this kind of development than you imagine and it can be done without turning it into Houston's Gallery Place area or Tysons Corner Virgina.

However, I think this is a failed opportunity to build a much taller building -- this is some of the last land outside manhattan for real commercial development... I see this building demolised in 20 years for a supertall once manhattan has been tapped out. I.e, Hudson Yards/WTC are complete and occupied.

NoyokA
January 23rd, 2010, 03:00 PM
Long Island City is a unique place. Unlike Manhattan and Brooklyn there are very few walkup and tenement style buildings, most buildings are large warehouses, factories, autoshops, and there is also a plethora of parking lots. These are perfect sites for development as they are large sites and easily assembled affording developers the large floorplates they love. There is a gigantic stretch of these sites fairly well served by transportation within close proximity to Manhattan, from Newtown Creek to 36th Avenue to Sunnyside Yards, and don't forget Sunnyside Yards itself. There are a number of problems though, 1 the zoning is very low, this needs to change, and 2 the big one, environmental problems. I was browsing property on Long Island City with property shark and I'd say something like 90% are contaminated. As far as this building being torn down and replaced with a supertall I doubt it. Don't forget Queens has two airports, I've read that Citibank Queens is the tallest building that can ever be built in Queens at 680 feet per the FAA.

ASchwarz
January 24th, 2010, 01:39 AM
I've read that Citibank Queens is the tallest building that can ever be built in Queens at 680 feet per the FAA.

I can't imagine that's true, as most of Queens (including Long Island City) is nowhere near either airport.

Heck, Jersey City is much closer to Newark Airport than Long Island City is to LaGuardia, and there are no FAA height limits in JC.

antinimby
January 24th, 2010, 11:34 AM
As is often the case in this city, NIMBYs will kill any of your supertall proposals long before you have to worry about the FAA.

This is an area where they think a few 12-story new buildings is already "out-of-scale" and overdevelopment.

You can all forget that supertall fantasy. They'll let you build one over their dead bodies.

ramvid01
January 24th, 2010, 03:20 PM
^ The sad part is that this area is mostly industrial, very few residential areas. Imagine if the whole area was residential. Nothing above a floor would be built.

RoldanTTLB
January 26th, 2010, 10:08 AM
Found this in the subway forum I frequent. I still think these buildings are an interesting departure for the area they're in...

http://www.madre-de-dios.org/gallery2/d/81055-1/07+mirror+man.jpg
http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=891354

JSsocal
July 21st, 2010, 05:50 PM
Looks like Google Maps took some new satellite photos of Queens. Here's Gotham Center

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=&sll=40.75753,-73.920135&sspn=0.030362,0.077162&ie=UTF8&ll=40.749082,-73.938546&spn=0.001999,0.004823&t=k&z=18
Anyone know what they are going to do with the rest of the block until they decide to build? Will it be covered in concrete or will it just be fenced off?

stache
July 21st, 2010, 06:10 PM
This project makes no impact on the skyline.

RoldanTTLB
July 21st, 2010, 11:34 PM
I dunno, it's pretty obvious from the FDR, and it's definitely the second tallest building in the area. The only taller stuff in PIC is on the waterfront.

JSsocal
January 19th, 2011, 10:46 PM
I talked to a guy in front who confirmed that the building had been fully leased out. He said they would be done by February, and he said they still had no plans for proceeding on the second phase of the project yet.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5041/5371245079_b4a93412d0_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5244/5371844584_03e6405b38_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5371931512_fce7d1cbe8_b.jpg

My Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34734039@N04/

BrooklynLove
January 20th, 2011, 07:07 AM
Man .... this building looks awful from the vantage point in the second shot.

ramvid01
January 20th, 2011, 01:33 PM
Yea it does, but thats because it is completely out of scale with the buildings that surround it, not to mention the fact that the building needed to be taller as it is too wide.

stache
January 20th, 2011, 04:55 PM
^ Exactly. Citibank needs a friend.

RoldanTTLB
October 5th, 2011, 12:09 AM
I think most of my updates to this thread went in the LIC development thread. That said, the second phase area is just clean gravel now. All construction accoutrement us gone. The whole first tower is leased to NYC DOHMH. I've not seen any permits to start the second phase. There's a ton of action right around here, though.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6072030286_f3479e01b9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6072030286/)

infoshare
October 5th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Check out this video on YouTube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylOCIP54PIQ&feature=youtube_gdata_playerWent to LIC today, working for PIL fitting out the newly purchased condo - nice pad Public Image LTD.Cheers!