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Daquan13
December 28th, 2009, 07:45 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com


Federal officials suspect that the Nigerian man / would-be terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is tied to the al Quaeda network.

The Nigeria man was subdued and arrested after trying to bring down a Delta Airlines A-330-300 jumbo jetliner that was enroute from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day.

He had explosives hidden under his clothing strapped around his leg after returning back to his seat from one of the craft's bathrooms. The device or lethal powder was originally hidden under special underwear that he wore, at first in front of his private area.

The plane was making its final preps and approach, for it was about to land in Detroit when Umar decided to try to ignite the bomb. The craft landed safely and he was escorted off the vehicle by the Detroit police.

That IS the actual aircraft. It just LOOKS short and stubby because of the way that it was photographed. But his name under the pic ties him with the plane.

lofter1
December 28th, 2009, 11:42 PM
Deep Thoughts On Jihadist Lingerie

The Daily Dish (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/deep-thoughts-on-jihadist-lingerie.html)
28 Dec 2009 10:02 pm

With respect to this (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northwest-airlines-bomb-photos/story?id=9436297), a reader asks:



"Is that a bomb in your pants or are you just happy to see 30 virgins?"

lofter1
December 28th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I thought it was a promise of 70 virgins :confused:

195Broadway
December 29th, 2009, 03:14 PM
I understood it to be 72.

Do these morons qualify for the Darwin award?

TREPYE
December 29th, 2009, 04:14 PM
I understand that he might have suffered severe burns as a result of his attempt.

I hope that not one cc., pill, capsule syrup, ointment of painkiller was wasted on this reprehensible human piece of fecal matter.

lofter1
December 29th, 2009, 06:26 PM
Seems the important thing now is to get as much info from this guy as possible, and apparently he's talking ....

Yemen says may harbor up to 300 Qaeda suspects

REUTERS (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BS2NR20091229)
December 29, 2009

WORLD

LONDON (Reuters) - Yemen's Foreign Minister Abubakr al-Qirbi said on Tuesday there could be up to 300 al Qaeda militants in his country, some of whom may be planning attacks on Western targets.

"Of course there are a number of al Qaeda operatives in Yemen and some of their leaders. We realize this danger," he told BBC radio.

"And they may actually plan for attacks like the one we have just had in Detroit."

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, based in Yemen, has claimed responsibility for Friday's attempted bombing of a Delta Airlines plane as it approached Detroit.

Asked to specify the exact number of al Qaeda operatives, Qirbi replied: "I can't give you really an exact figure. There are maybe hundreds of them: 200, 300 -- I don't have real (hard) figures."

Nigerian suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, charged with trying to blow up the plane on Christmas Day, lived in Yemen from August to December.

He is said to have told the FBI that there are many more like him prepared to carry out such attacks, according to the BBC report.

Qirbi called for proper intelligence-sharing to stop al Qaeda suspects from traveling to Yemen from countries known to be hotbeds of militancy such as Afghanistan and Iraq.

He appealed for more help from the international community to train and equip counter-terrorist forces to neutralize them.

"We have to work in a very joint fashion in partnership to combat terrorism," he said. "If we do that, the problem will be brought under control.

The United States, Britain and the European Union could do much more to improve Yemen's response to counter the threat, he said. "There is some support that is coming, but I must say it is inadequate."

"We need more training, we have to expand our counter-terrorism units and this means providing them with the necessary military equipment and ways of transportation; we are very short of helicopters."

(Reporting by Stefano Ambrogi; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)

© Copyright 2009 Thomson Reuters

Daquan13
December 30th, 2009, 08:21 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab


This boy had a very promising and lucrative caeer, according to the link above.

What went so terribly wrong with him that he wanted to resort to trying to blow up a commercial jetliner?

Here are some more pics of him below. The first 3 show him (wearing the red jacket) with a group of kids (classmates) who he went to London with. He must have been about 13, 14 or 15 back then.

So sad to see a young boy grow up into an Islamic extremist and do something as dispictable as being a suicidal terrorist! All of his adult life is gone now. Like Richard Reid & Zarcarius Mousoauwi, he'll be behind bars for the rest of his life! So sad. :(

MidtownGuy
December 30th, 2009, 02:46 PM
What went so terribly wrong with him that he wanted to resort to trying to blow up a commercial jetliner?The mind-numbing, tolerance-destroying effects of organized religion. Abrahamic faiths are particularly odious toward others. The same phenomenon that causes Christian freaks to blow up abortion clinics and murder doctors. Or deny equal rights to homosexuals. The same crap that makes Jews think they have some divine right to Palestine, even if they have to murder and imprison generations of non-Jews that were already living there to get what they want. The pure bull sh*t that was used to justify slavery. The same crap that says some will be "saved" while others will not, once Jesus lands his holy space ship in Israel and the "faithful" all rise up in naked rapture. Etc. and etc.

These religions are a scourge on the world. We'd be better off with people praying to a bag full of door knobs. Abolish this destructive, ancient nonsense and start educating everybody with real science.

ablarc
December 30th, 2009, 03:31 PM
^ MidtownGuy, I'd be interested in hearing what about your post isn't bigoted: that is, targeted at a group you're not a member of.

Bob
December 30th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Since this terrorist wanted to blow himself up, I suggest we simply allow him to do just that. Let's put him in the middle of a field, wire him up with an identical device and set it off. Just before we flip the switch, we tell him, "We are glad to help you, only you can't take out a commercial airliner at the same time. Have a nice life with your 72 virgins, scumbag." Ka-boom! One less terrorist to worry about.

Oh, wait a minute, I must have been dreaming. What was I thinking? This fine, upstanding gentleman is innocent of all charges and must be afforded due process. And a Koran. And a prayer rug. And food. And shelter. And protection. And a television interview with Diane Sawyer.

MidtownGuy
December 30th, 2009, 08:46 PM
^ MidtownGuy, I'd be interested in hearing what about your post isn't bigoted: that is, targeted at a group you're not a member of.

By this definition of "bigoted", intolerance targeted at a group I'm not a member of, Yes! I am a bigot and that is most definitely a bigoted post. So would be the statement "I hate bigots" if I don't consider myself one.;)
It's really not very useful, just a provocative word to throw around. (which is fine, as my post was provocative as well.)

We're all bigots in some sense.

The Abrahamic interpretations that so many extremists are following seem to all have a horribly intolerant idea in common: that one's own name for a Supreme entity and one's own way of honoring that entity is the only righteous one. That others are damned or going to some kind of cosmic waiting room. Regarding Christianity I will say this...it's a pity so many Christians today pay so much attention to hateful outdated elements of the Old Testament and to the harmful ideas of an organized Church, and so little attention to the actual meaning of the message of Christ the historical figure.

OmegaNYC
December 31st, 2009, 01:42 PM
Since this terrorist wanted to blow himself up, I suggest we simply allow him to do just that. Let's put him in the middle of a field, wire him up with an identical device and set it off. Just before we flip the switch, we tell him, "We are glad to help you, only you can't take out a commercial airliner at the same time. Have a nice life with your 72 virgins, scumbag." Ka-boom! One less terrorist to worry about.


That has to be one of the funniest and well thought out post I've ever read. Have a Happy and safe New Year, Bob. :D

ablarc
December 31st, 2009, 02:04 PM
...it's a pity so many Christians today pay so much attention to the harmful ideas of an organized Church, and so little attention to the actual meaning of the message of Christ the historical figure.
That's about the gist of it.


...it's a pity so many Christians today pay so much attention to hateful outdated elements of the Old Testament...
This: not so much. The Christian reading of the Bible is that Jesus came to free people from adherence to those outdated elements. Christians should be peaceful --and it's OK for them to eat pork.

195Broadway
December 31st, 2009, 02:29 PM
I understand that he might have suffered severe burns as a result of his attempt.

I hope that not one cc., pill, capsule syrup, ointment of painkiller was wasted on this reprehensible human piece of fecal matter.

Not to worry. He is getting free healthcare paid for by you and me, under the current cruel system. :rolleyes:

ZippyTheChimp
January 1st, 2010, 09:28 AM
There'll be more indignities for the passenger to endure.

I remember when airline travel was so classy.

ablarc
January 1st, 2010, 10:42 AM
I remember when airline travel was so classy.
That started to erode when they were no longer allowed to hire stewardesses for their looks.

ZippyTheChimp
January 1st, 2010, 12:20 PM
The glamor of flight (http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/02/glamour-of-flight.html)

MidtownGuy
January 1st, 2010, 03:41 PM
This: not so much. The Christian reading of the Bible is that Jesus came to free people from adherence to those outdated elements. Christians should be peaceful --and it's OK for them to eat pork.

Evidence to the contrary surrounds us.

Pork and premarital sex are not a ticket to hell for most in the 21st century, but the example of eating pork is clearly not what I was referring to. I see self avowed "Christians" in the media every day disproving your statement about what they consider "outdated". For example, Sarah Palin and millions of followers think the dinosaurs lived a couple thousand years ago, and a dude on an Ark saved animals two-by-two. Millions and millions of today's Christians ARE still pushing the ideas of the Old Testament. They are the Fundamentalists. I think you have heard of them. They have been screwing up this country(and the world) for quite some time.

The self-defined Christians that are blowing up doctors, legislating against homosexual equality and rights, and all of the other things I mentioned in my post are not quoting from the New Testament when they spread hate and destruction, ablarc. They still adhere to the Old Testament's hate and violence. Listen to so many of the Evangelicals, the Catholics, etc...The "abomination" drivel from Leviticus...it's the Old Testament. Dominion over the Earth...and who cares if we kill whatever we want...Old Testament. These books are from the old Testament and they are very alive and well, STILL drilled in to young Christian minds and reinforcing the intolerance and destruction that has typified so much of Christianity for centuries.

I believe that what you describe is just your Christian reading of the bible, a reading shared by more enlightened souls...an emphasis on the NT and a sincerely peaceful spirit. Yet, others who call themselves Christians will stand with signs that read "God made an Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" and other such rubbish... as justification for denial of equal rights in society, discrimination, or much worse such as the fate of Matthew Shepherd, at whose funeral "Christians" had signs saying he was burning in hell, while his family was putting him in the ground. You've got the Pope telling millions of Christians in AIDS ridden countries that condoms are wrong, because of those "outdated elements" you seem to suggest are a thing of the past. I disagree. I believe Christianity, as being practiced by billions, is an intolerant system of beliefs that still includes fundamental faith in much of the Old Testament. Those with a modern, tolerant interpretation of their religion (like a Christianity buffet, pick and choose what u like) are not who my post was aimed at. I have family and friends that attend their house of worship at holidays or whatever...I (mostly)respect their (mostly)modern form of religion. I want to make clear my post was aimed more squarely at extremists who have religion the way Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab has it.
I really, really, don't like people who use religion as a basis for bigotry. And there we have that word again. :-)
I'd just rather see people worshipping, or practicing ritual, in small informal groups the way the very early Christians did it.

I've noted from some of your past posts that you believe Islam to be violent, based on your direct knowledge of things written in the Koran. It's a bit hypocritical, is it not, when you go on to say that the Christian Bible is only violent in parts...we'll just ignore the nasty half...a modern reading of it puts things like stoning someone to death in their proper historical consideration...yet you cast Islam with a much wider net? The same benefit of the doubt is not given to peace loving Muslims who pick and choose from their book the same way you do from yours. At least my bias against Abrahamic faiths extends to condemning all three of them equally. Three faiths whose inconsistency, hypocrisy, and occasional truths are hopelessly intertwined to the point where most adherents are unable to distinguish the pearls of wisdom from the hateful parts. That's why I say, at this point, I would rather see them, in their current organized "Earthly" form, relegated to the dust heap of history, in favor of science and less proselytizing or violence-justifying forms of spirituality.

Ablarc, I'm glad you are a peaceful man. It's sad that so many others who share your faith in Christianity don't conduct themselves as kindly.

Bob
January 2nd, 2010, 11:24 PM
LOVE that "glamour of flight" link!

kakonsteraro
January 4th, 2010, 08:48 AM
It seems that a lot of people (especially new yorkers) LOVE to talk about these"terrorists" when they have a very little understanding of them.As an enemy of this country...I guess i will share a little.This country is run by COWARDS!They were warned several years ago to stay out of the holy land and underestimated ONE person who practically funds this war himself.This country WAS suppossed to be a democracy...a government "by the people , for the people". That alone justifies ANY means of attacks these people choose to committ against this country.HIT THE PEOPLE!The troops now have invaded their country and their forces are now the 'FREEDOM FIGHTERS" that are cutting the heads off the american terrorists.As a native american indian ,MOHAWK to be precise, I damn well understand these people and their plight.They too do not want to end up on a reservation .they too do not want to lose their land. they do not want to be subject to this countrys rules and laws.FIGHT ON!!

Fabrizio
January 4th, 2010, 09:40 AM
^ I completely disagree with the above.... but this little chart is interesting: the number of Muslims killed by Americans in the last few years vs. the number of Americans killed by Muslims:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/ronaldo/091130_walt_chart.png

ablarc
January 4th, 2010, 10:46 AM
It seems that a lot of people (especially new yorkers) LOVE to talk about these"terrorists" when they have a very little understanding of them.
...whereas you do... right?


As an enemy of this country...I guess i will share a little.
You can share with us with impunity ... but there's a chance this forum is monitored by you-know-who. And if that's the case, they'll take an interest in you as a self-declared enemy of this country. Listen for unusual clicking on your telephone.


ONE person who practically funds this war himself.
Who might that be?


This country WAS suppossed to be a democracy...a government "by the people , for the people". That alone justifies ANY means of attacks these people choose to committ against this country.HIT THE PEOPLE!The troops now have invaded their country and their forces are now the 'FREEDOM FIGHTERS" that are cutting the heads off the american terrorists.
I wouldn't want to be on an airplane with you.



(Moderators, should this and Post#20 be in the "Hate Watch" thread?)

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ZippyTheChimp
January 4th, 2010, 01:58 PM
They were warned several years ago to stay out of the holy land.Which warning are you talking about, and exactly where in the "holy land" are you referring to?

The latest round of terrorist attacks began after the Gulf War in 1991. How should the Kuwait invasion been handled? Several Middle East nations - Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, UAE, Egypt - were in the coalition.


The troops now have invaded their country and their forces are now the 'FREEDOM FIGHTERS" that are cutting the heads off the american terrorists.Take us through what countries you're talking about. 09/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The subject of this thread is from Nigeria.


They too do not want to end up on a reservation .they too do not want to lose their land. they do not want to be subject to this countrys rules and laws.FIGHT ON!!Do you have any evidence that these "freedom fighters" represent the wishes of the majority population of their respective countries? What is a jackass from Nigeria fighting for?

There are reports that support for terrorism among Middle East populations has been declining over the last decade.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/26/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world

kakonsteraro
January 5th, 2010, 12:39 AM
if i can answer both of you guys. i dont know how to paste here so bare with me;the one guy who has funded this whole escspade is osama ladin.before the u s was even in kuwait they were told to get out of saudiby bin ladin and they didnt listen cause they didnt think he was capable of achieving the victory that he feels he achieved.ever since this country designed the u n and assisted to achieve a jew state and stole land from the palestines in the process...there has been trouble. i think that answers your question if not ill clarify it later again. this didnt happen over-night like g,bush tried to portray that he didnt know what hit him.
and yes let me say it again...as a Mohawk Indian living in this land of my ancestors that were once free and now held in bondage to some immigrant government...YOUR DAMN RIGHT : I HATE THIS COUNTRY AND ITS IMMIGRANT GOVERNMENT that somehow think they were sent from the Creator to guard us and place their hypocritical laws on us.
hypothetically, if the ayran nation captured the president of the u s and turned them over to the Mohawk Nation to be held accountable under OUR laws...how would the citizens react?
Well they did it to Saddam...and as far as we are concerned hes a nother Geronimo!this country did the same thing to many of our chiefs.too many. its time they too are held accountable .dont worry bout me in a plane ...i dont like flying!!
i can go on and on here but you are american and wont see someone elses side of it no matter.Look at this visa mess now to get out of the country...you cant even GET OUT if they deny you a visa!! americans are loosing more and more of their freedoms everyday and they are too ignorant to see it.might as well build a wall around the country.
anyway, im not here to pick an argument with you just stating my opinion.i dont need your governm ent to give me that right ...it was given by god. only americans are that brain-washed that they believe the piece of paper gives them that right. so what happens when they lose the paper?dont say they cant because theyve lost amny treaties!!

hbcat
January 5th, 2010, 01:02 AM
^ I completely disagree with the above.... but this little chart is interesting: the number of Muslims killed by Americans in the last few years vs. the number of Americans killed by Muslims:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/ronaldo/091130_walt_chart.png

Source?

ablarc
January 5th, 2010, 10:20 AM
if i can answer both of you guys. i dont know how to paste here so bare with me;the one guy who has funded this whole escspade is osama ladin.before the u s was even in kuwait they were told to get out of saudiby bin ladin and they didnt listen cause they didnt think he was capable of achieving the victory that he feels he achieved.ever since this country designed the u n and assisted to achieve a jew state and stole land from the palestines in the process...there has been trouble. i think that answers your question if not ill clarify it later again. this didnt happen over-night like g,bush tried to portray that he didnt know what hit him.
and yes let me say it again...as a Mohawk Indian living in this land of my ancestors that were once free and now held in bondage to some immigrant government...YOUR DAMN RIGHT : I HATE THIS COUNTRY AND ITS IMMIGRANT GOVERNMENT that somehow think they were sent from the Creator to guard us and place their hypocritical laws on us.
hypothetically, if the ayran nation captured the president of the u s and turned them over to the Mohawk Nation to be held accountable under OUR laws...how would the citizens react?
Well they did it to Saddam...and as far as we are concerned hes a nother Geronimo!this country did the same thing to many of our chiefs.too many. its time they too are held accountable .dont worry bout me in a plane ...i dont like flying!!
i can go on and on here but you are american and wont see someone elses side of it no matter.Look at this visa mess now to get out of the country...you cant even GET OUT if they deny you a visa!! americans are loosing more and more of their freedoms everyday and they are too ignorant to see it.might as well build a wall around the country.
anyway, im not here to pick an argument with you just stating my opinion.i dont need your governm ent to give me that right ...it was given by god. only americans are that brain-washed that they believe the piece of paper gives them that right. so what happens when they lose the paper?dont say they cant because theyve lost amny treaties!!
^ There's quite a bit of racial hatred in your post. What group do you think would stand by your position?

ZippyTheChimp
January 5th, 2010, 10:55 AM
It seems that a lot of people (especially new yorkers) LOVE to talk about these"terrorists" when they have a very little understanding of them.You've hardly explained the terrorists at all; just transferred it to your own experiences. Most of your post is about you.


Well they did it to Saddam...and as far as we are concerned hes a nother Geronimo!Please, give me a break. Seems like an insult to Geronimo.


I HATE THIS COUNTRY AND ITS IMMIGRANT GOVERNMENT that somehow think they were sent from the Creator to guard us and place their hypocritical laws on us.
anyway, im not here to pick an argument with you just stating my opinion.i dont need your governm ent to give me that right ...it was given by god. The Creator speaks to one group, but not the other. I just love it when people not only know IF and WHO the creator is, but what he thinks.


anyway, im not here to pick an argument with you just stating my opinion.i dont need your governm ent to give me that right ...it was given by god. only americans are that brain-washed that they believe the piece of paper gives them that right.Most of the world, actually.


so what happens when they lose the paper?What happens if there is no god?

lofter1
January 5th, 2010, 11:31 AM
... what happens when they lose the paper?dont say they cant because theyve lost amny treaties!!


The crux of the post.

Although the many treaties (http://nativeamericanfirstnationshistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/long_chain_of_abuses) between the US and Native Americans weren't actually lost, but rather continually (http://www.aimovement.org/ggc/trailofbrokentreaties.html) abrogated, ignored, illegally revised and minimized.

Fool me once ... and all that (despite how GWB puts it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=052p3fZe2Gk&feature=related))

In this instance, maybe it's the recent non-stop snow (http://blog.drivinglaws.org/2010/01/03/new-york-travel-advisory-issued-in-the-city-of-fulton-no-unnecessary-travel-urged/) up in Fulton that's exacerbating things.

Daquan13
January 5th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Fortunately, he couldn't ignite the exposive powder and he was stopped from carrying out his sick sadistic mission. Thank God that he couldn't! The Lord was with those people on that plane!

Sadly, he's now a sick demented psycho who still might try to commit suicide on himself, possibly to try to avoid going to trial and prison. :(

dtolman
January 5th, 2010, 04:56 PM
ever since this country designed the u n and assisted to achieve a jew state and stole land from the palestines in the process...there has been trouble.
...
and yes let me say it again...as a Mohawk Indian living in this land of my ancestors that were once free and now held in bondage to some immigrant government...YOUR DAMN RIGHT : I HATE THIS COUNTRY AND ITS IMMIGRANT GOVERNMENT that somehow think they were sent from the Creator to guard us and place their hypocritical laws on us.
...


An interesting point of view - so essentially you are arguing that by being too good to its enemies, Israel (and the US by extension) is the source of its own terrorist troubles.

So what do you think the solution here should have been - should they have annihilated their enemies in the middle east completely?

Or go one step further than they actually did do, and emulate America in the 19th century; stuffing their defeated enemies into squalid and shameful "reservations" - living victory monuments and warnings to America's enemies of the consequences of opposing God's divine plan (as expressed through the holy trinity of his representatives on Earth - The President, Congress, and the Supreme Court)?

EDIT: Let me add here that the above inflammatory crap was all tongue-in-cheek. There are no simple reasons why terrorism exists. And it is not a new problem. American's were terrorized 200 years ago by British press gangs - or familiarly - from the "shores of Tripoli". 150 years ago it was Bleeding Kansas. 100 years ago it was anarchists. 50 years ago communists.

As long as there is power and wealth here - someone will be trying to buff their image or making some "point", by blowing up or killing Americans.

Fabrizio
January 5th, 2010, 05:03 PM
HBCAT: the souce for the graph is Foriegn Policy magazine:

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/30/why_they_hate_us_ii_how_many_muslims_has_the_us_ki lled_in_the_past_30_years

About the author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Walt

About the magazine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy

MidtownGuy
January 5th, 2010, 05:22 PM
stuffing their defeated enemies into squalid and shameful "reservations"
hah! That's pretty much what Israel DID do. :cool:

Fabrizio
January 5th, 2010, 05:27 PM
^of which the US is it's greatest enabler.

dtolman
January 5th, 2010, 08:37 PM
hah! That's pretty much what Israel DID do. :cool:

The Israeli's are saints compared to how the American's treated those who they found in their path in the 19th century.

If the Israeli's utterly slaughtered everyone in the West Bank and Gaza, except for the residents of Gaza City, and then generously let them live in a small scrubby part of the Negev, all the time telling them about the greatness of our generosity, that would be a more apt comparison.

kakonsteraro
January 6th, 2010, 10:59 AM
that ALL of us didnt have shameful act in our path. Im just saying that america THINKS they are the 'world police' and try justifying invading countries(IRAQ) to hold them accountable for things 15 years ago (saddam using gas) it is time someone holds the u.s. accountable for the atrocities it caused 450 years ago using biological weaponry (small pox in blankets). It just seems as though the americans THINK they are better than any other people in the world.That is half the reason that other countries dont even want americans to tour there anymore.Im not here to tell you all what you already know though.Just remember, my people have been fighting terrorism since 1492- when we were invaded and attacked for NO REASON. Thats different than the 9-11 when this country was attacked for problems in DID BRING UPON ITSELF.Anyways this is the last i will post in here because the more i try to explain it seems the more it confuses so many americans.People on other sites asked my opinion THEN threatened to call DHS-why ask for an opinion if you cant handle it?Freedom of speech? What a joke!!
Ive erased my past posts here because youve all copied them anyway.

MidtownGuy
January 6th, 2010, 12:11 PM
^of which the US is it's greatest enabler.

Absolutely.

Ninjahedge
January 6th, 2010, 05:56 PM
The Israeli's are saints compared to how the American's treated those who they found in their path in the 19th century.

So? Does that forgive them? Either of them?

"Well, Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't as bad as HITLER!!!!!!"

:rolleyes:

ZippyTheChimp
January 6th, 2010, 06:36 PM
^
That's because he didn't have panzers.

Ninjahedge
January 6th, 2010, 08:51 PM
That's a personal matter there Zip.....

lofter1
January 6th, 2010, 09:55 PM
According to Scott Lively (http://www.amazon.com/Pink-Swastika-Scott-Lively/dp/0964760932) all those Hitler types were panzers.

Daquan13
January 7th, 2010, 12:04 AM
He was indicted today.

Obama is said to be furious because this boy was allowed to slip through the cracks and be allowed to get on the plane, even though his dad had tried to give the gov't a heads-up that his son was an extremist and that he might be plotting something deadly.

Also, this boy never cracked a smile at all! In his pitures that I posted on Page 1, he had a chilling cold stare like the lead hijacker, Mohammad Atta always did before the 09-11 terror attacks.

lofter1
January 7th, 2010, 10:01 PM
Rudy Giuliani proves himself to be a shameless liar of the first order on Larry King, where when discussing Obama's initial response to the Nigerian Panty Bomber claims that the prior similar situation involving Richard Reid Shoe Bomber was different because it took place prior to September 11, 2001 -- when in truth Reid attempted to blow up the plane on December 22, 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber)):

Transcript from The Larry King Show (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/01/06/transcript_rudy_giuliani_on_larry_king_live_99811. html):




GIULIANI: The president of the United States, when there is a potential massive attack on this country, which is what this guy was going to do, should have been on top of this immediately, not 10 days later, 11 days later, 12 days later.

We should have had our response ready. After all, this is not an unexpected act. We are in the age of terrorism. We don't need 10 days to respond or figure out our response. All that does, I believe, is convince our enemies that we are not ready, that we are pondering too much and thinking too much. So, you know, there is -- you want to take some time. But this has been an extraordinarily long time given the magnitude of this kind of attack.

KING: President Bush took six days once in a similar incident.

GIULIANI: Well, six days is less than 10. And the reality is that President Bush was criticized for taking -- what was it, like 20 or 30 minutes in delaying his response to September 11th. And I believe that six days was before the September 11th attack.

ZippyTheChimp
January 8th, 2010, 01:24 AM
The Panty Bpmber.

What a world.

lofter1
January 8th, 2010, 11:39 AM
How about Junk Bomber?

lofter1
January 8th, 2010, 01:17 PM
Rudy Lies Again:

Rudy Giuliani: "We Had No Domestic Attacks Under Bush; We've Had One Under Obama."

ABC News January 8, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0PVzsZMqg

And George Stephanopoulos didn't even challenge him on the false assertion until after the broadcast, and then only in print (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/rudy-giuliani-no-domestic-attacks-under-bush-one-under-obama.html).

MidtownGuy
January 8th, 2010, 01:34 PM
George Stephanopoulos is one of the worst excuses for a "journalist" I have ever seen. I can't even watch him anymore.

Daquan13
January 8th, 2010, 03:01 PM
Rudy Lies Again:

Rudy Giuliani: "We Had No Domestic Attacks Under Bush; We've Had One Under Obama."

ABC News January 8, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0PVzsZMqg

And George Stephanopoulos didn't even challenge him on the false assertion until after the broadcast, and then only in print (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/rudy-giuliani-no-domestic-attacks-under-bush-one-under-obama.html).



Yeah, and according to that imbacile Cheney, he's going around saying that Obama is soft on terrorism!

And besides, what in the hell is Giuliani smoking? No attacks under Bush but one under Obama? These two jerks both need their heads examined or something!! :mad:

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2010, 03:12 PM
It's the new narrative (no terrorist attacks under Bush) and I've been hearing it on Fox as well as the networks ( Mary Matlin as just one crazy-ass example).

Funny too how the anthrax attacks have been completely forgotten ...but at the time it was considered terrorism too, wasn't it?.

And what about the Beltway Sniper? 10 dead, 3 wounded:

"A series of trial exhibits indicated that Malvo and Muhammad were motivated by an affinity for Islamic Jihad."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

But of course you are not hearing this on the US media... no one is being reminded.... why is that?

lofter1
January 8th, 2010, 03:13 PM
Gives new meaning to the Grand Old Party ...

Senile

lofter1
January 8th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Giuliani's Point

The Daily Dish (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/01/giulianis-point.html#more)
08 Jan 2010 02:05 pm

There is something in what Rudy said this morning (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/alleged-christmas-day-bombed-expected-federal-court-today/story?id=9510524) that makes some sense to me:


"If you put someone in a civilian court, within a short period of time a lawyer is appointed and the person shuts up. If you have a person in the military system you can question him endlessly for as long as you have to make sure you have gotten the full scope of information."

And this is the tragedy of what the Bush administration did. By adding torture and abuse to what can be done during interrogation to terror suspects, by having no regard for future convictions and no real care in determining who might have been captured by mistake, and by rigging military tribunals to ensure guilty verdicts in advance, the Cheney goons destroyed their own argument. But even on those grounds, the fact that Cheney and Bush tried Richard Reid in a civilian court as Obama has the undie-bomber renders Giuliani's otherwise fair point moot in this case.

Let me also point out that Stephanopoulos did not challenge the untruth that Guantanamo Bay is a more humane detention center than domestic criminal ones (and thereby Giuliani's view that closing it was "totally absurd"); he did not challenge the untruth that Bush's military tribunals were generally deemed fair (they absolutely weren't); he didn't point out that the Red Cross deemed prisoner treatment at Gitmo as unequivocally torture; he did not insist that Giuliani explain why he has switched his position on civilian trials from Reid to the undie-bomber (merely referring to Bush's own position); and ended the interview summarizing the GOP talking points.

He also, of course, did not challenge the most absurd claim by Giuliani in the whole interview: that there were no terror incidents on Bush's watch. He wasn't a total push-over, and did not simply cave on everything. But as an act of journalism, it was not his finest hour. Perhaps realizing his biggest howler, he hurriedly wrote a blog-post with the fighting words (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/rudy-giuliani-no-domestic-attacks-under-bush-one-under-obama.html):


Giuliani seems to have forgotten about the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and shoe bomber Richard Reid.

How do you sit in front of someone who says 9/11 didn't happen under Bush and say nothing?

In all this, Stephanopoulos was much more a handmaiden to Giuliani's p.r. than a journalist. And the chit-chatty bonhomie between the two, the cozy friendliness, the constant laughs and grins and cheeriness is what the MSM has become so good at. It's all too often about rich, powerful celebrities using other rich, powerful celebrities for a synergy of media and political self-advancement. And in the morning, the last thing you want for ratings is a tough or uncomfortable challenge of a leading politician. You can hear the producers now: keep it light, keep it warm, don't make them switch channels with some kind of conflict.

The result? Giuliani ate Stephanopoulos for breakfast.

ablarc
January 8th, 2010, 03:49 PM
And George Stephanopoulos didn't even challenge him on the false assertion until after the broadcast, and then only in print (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01/rudy-giuliani-no-domestic-attacks-under-bush-one-under-obama.html).
Was George asleep on camera? It didn't occur to him that 9/11 was under Bush?

And Giuliani: is he senile? He was there, for goodness' sake; he didn't know who was president?

Fabrizio
January 8th, 2010, 04:21 PM
Shameless Dana Perino, Bush's friggin' PRESS SECRETARY: Claims No Terrorist Attacks on U.S. During Bush Presidency:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzpy1GdIeCY

------

And I love this: 9/11 was inherited by Bush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR93iKtFlcQ

lofter1
January 8th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Was George asleep on camera? It didn't occur to him that 9/11 was under Bush?


You wouldn't want little George to risk his cozy connections with those in positions of power by letting something like the truth get in the way, would you?

He's just started (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/10/george-stephanpoulous-joi_n_387542.html) this cushy new gig at GMA (which, despite all appearances, is under the umbrella of the ABC NEWS division) . Gotta keep that big paycheck rolling in.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/

lofter1
January 8th, 2010, 06:47 PM
Poor delusional Rudy -- drinking too much tea and kool-aid ...

If he's still able to read he might want to review the chronology of Bush era "attacks" supplied by a commenter at Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/08/rudy-giuliani-spokesman-c_n_416659.html):


Courtesy of another HP Blogger:

2001 Sep 18 Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloids.

2001 December 12: Jewish Defense League plot by Chairman Irv Rubin and follower Earl Krugel to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, and the office of Lebanese-American Rep. Darrell Issa, foiled.

2001 Dec 22 shoe bomb plot was a failed bombing attempt that occurred on American Airlines Flight 63 flying from Charles De Gaulle International Airport in Paris, France, to Miami

2002 July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.

2005 March 3 Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.

2006 July 28 USA:A woman was dead and five others were hospitalized this afternoon after a shooting at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building in downtown Seattle by a man who declared he was "angry with Israel."[10]

2006 Aug 30 An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.

2006 Dec 22 Federal Agents disrupt Derrick Shareef’s attack on an Illinois shopping mall. His intent was to commit “violent jihad” just before Christmas

ablarc
January 8th, 2010, 07:18 PM
You can say anything you want in a public forum, and 40% of the people will believe it. Goebbels knew this when he reassured the world that there was no holocaust.

MidtownGuy
January 9th, 2010, 10:07 AM
Excellent chronology, and if the corporate news people in this country were something other than the minions of Satan they would have shown a list like this after Giuliani's psychotic pimp walk across the channels.

Daquan13
January 14th, 2010, 01:24 PM
The most puzzling thing had occured to me, and I don't know why I didn't think of it before.

Why on earth was he allowed to get out of his seat and go to the bathroom in the first place when the plane was on its finals and was about to land into Detroit?!

As you know, on ALL flights, no one other than the flight crew are allowed to walk around until the captain tells them to prepare for actual landing and arrival. :confused:

lofter1
January 14th, 2010, 04:42 PM
Read the story. He got up and went into the bathroom (where he was for quite a long time) well before the descent began.

Daquan13
January 14th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Silly me! :o

Daquan13
February 3rd, 2010, 05:14 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab (read section under Incarceration & Trial)


Info has now surfaced that Umar Farouk Abdulmatallib is now cooperating with the authorities as to how the attempted bombing of the jetliner that he was on really came about.

His family was seemingly approahed and spoken to by the officials. The family was then able to speak to Abdulmatallib and convinced him to work WITH the authorities. The FBI has flown them in.

I imagine in hopes of a deal that would either set him free or give him a lighter sentense.

With the help and convincing of his family, he has agreed once again to cooperate with the officials.

lofter1
February 3rd, 2010, 08:46 AM
The promise of an eternal life with a bevy of virgins in the hereafter apparently is less enticing than first thought.

Interesting how many of these deluded souls change their tune once they are removed from the influence of their brainwashers.

Daquan13
February 3rd, 2010, 12:41 PM
It's just too bad that he became involved with those Islamic and Al Quaeda thugs in the first place.

A very bright, educated and intelligent young man with a very promising lucrative future - all gone to waste now!

Only a miracle can save him from being put behind bars for the rest of his life! So sad to see him go down the toilet when he could have very well chosen not to side with those maniacs!! :mad:

ZippyTheChimp
August 10th, 2010, 12:24 AM
The glamor of flight (http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/02/glamour-of-flight.html)

August 9, 2010


Fed-Up Flight Attendant Makes Sliding Exit


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/08/10/nyregion/yattendant2/yattendant2-articleInline.jpg
Steven Slater on MySpace


By ANDY NEWMAN and RAY RIVERA

It has been a long time since flight attendant was a glamorous job title. The hours are long. Passengers with feelings of entitlement bump up against new no-frills policies. Babies scream. Security precautions grate but must be enforced. Airlines demand lightning-quick turnarounds, so attendants herd passengers and collect trash with the grim speed of an Indy pit crew. Everyone, it seems, is in a bad mood.

On Monday, on the tarmac at Kennedy International Airport, a JetBlue attendant named Steven Slater decided he had had enough, the authorities said.

After a dispute with a passenger who stood to fetch luggage too soon on a full flight just in from Pittsburgh, Mr. Slater, 38 and a career flight attendant, got on the public-address intercom and let loose a string of invective.

Then, the authorities said, he pulled the lever that activates the emergency-evacuation chute and slid down, making a dramatic exit not only from the plane but, one imagines, also from his airline career.

On his way out the door, he paused to grab a beer from the beverage cart. Then he ran to the employee parking lot and drove off, the authorities said.

He was arrested at his home in Belle Harbor, Queens, a few miles from the airport, and charged with felony counts of criminal mischief and reckless endangerment.

“When they hit that emergency chute, it drops down quickly within seconds,” a law enforcement official said. “If someone was on the ground and it came down without warning, someone could be injured or killed.”

In a statement, JetBlue said it was working with the Federal Aviation Administration and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to investigate the episode. “At no time was the security or safety of our customers or crew members at risk,” the company said.

According to his online profiles, Mr. Slater has been the leader of JetBlue’s uniform redesign committee and a member of the airline’s in-flight values committee. Neighbors in California, where Mr. Slater grew up, said he had recently been caring for his dying mother, a retired flight attendant, and had done the same for his father, a pilot.

The contretemps on Monday unfolded as JetBlue Flight 1052, an Embraer 190, landed at Kennedy around noon — on time — and pulled up to the gate, said another law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

The official offered the following account:

One passenger stood up to retrieve belongings from the overhead compartment before the crew had given permission. Mr. Slater instructed the person to remain seated. The passenger defied him. Mr. Slater reached the passenger just as the person was pulling down the luggage, which struck Mr. Slater in the head.

Mr. Slater asked for an apology. The passenger instead cursed at him. Mr. Slater got on the plane’s public-address system and cursed out the passenger for all to hear. Then, after declaring that 20 years in the airline industry was enough, he blurted out, “It’s been great!” He activated the inflatable evacuation slide at a service exit and left the world of flight attending behind.

In short order, his gray two-story house on Beach 128th Street in the Rockaways, just off the ocean, was swarmed by detectives and uniformed officers from New York City and the Port Authority. “It was like there was a hostage in there,” said Curt Krakowski, who was working on the deck of a house across the street.

Mr. Slater, Mr. Krakowski said, “had a smile on his face when the cops brought him out, like, ‘Yeah, big deal.’ ” Mr. Slater was taken to a Port Authority police building at the airport and was expected to be held overnight.

One person familiar with the investigation said JetBlue took more than 20 minutes to notify the Port Authority police, allowing Mr. Slater time to get home. A spokesman for the airline declined to comment when asked about the delay, and a Port Authority spokesman said, “In matters of criminality, the Port Authority Police Department should be notified immediately.”

The episode is the latest round in what is seen as an increasingly hostile relationship between airlines and passengers.

A few weeks ago, an Air France flight attendant was arrested for stealing the wallets of first-class passengers. Last year, a Canadian singer parodied United Airlines on YouTube in a series of songs about how the airline broke his guitar.

A new study by the International Air Transport Association found an increase in instances of disgruntled passengers and violence on planes, with the chief cause being passengers who refuse to obey safety orders. By the same token, frequent-flier blogs echo with tales of “flight attendant rage.”

While JetBlue’s flight attendants are not unionized, a spokeswoman for the Association of Flight Attendants, Corey Caldwell, said anxieties were common on planes. “Anyone who has traveled since Sept. 11 understands that being in the cabin is stressful these days,” Ms. Caldwell said.

The portrait of Mr. Slater that emerges from interviews with neighbors and friends and from profiles on MySpace, Facebook and LinkedIn shows a man with decidedly mixed feelings about his job.

Photographs show him in the mountains of El Yunque National Forest in Puerto Rico and sitting behind the wheel of a convertible. “Steven Slater has visited 22 percent of the countries in the world!” the MySpace page announces.

Yes, and Pittsburgh, too. “Chances are I am flying 35,000 feet somewhere over the rainbow on my way to some semifabulous JetBlue Airways destination!” the MySpace page says. “Truly, some are better than others. But I am enjoying being back in the skies and seeing them all.”

A former roommate, John Rochelle, said Mr. Slater was seldom home and used his house primarily as a crash pad. When Mr. Slater was not working, Mr. Rochelle said, he was usually in Thousand Oaks, Calif., a Los Angeles suburb, caring for his sick mother.

A neighbor there, Ron Franz, said Mr. Slater also cared for his father as he was dying from Lou Gehrig’s disease. Mr. Franz, 72, was hard-pressed to explain Mr. Slater’s actions on Monday. “It could be the pressure of his mother’s illness, because that’s not the type of behavior or conduct that Steve exhibits,” he said. “He’s a very conscientious, responsible individual.”

But a former flight attendant, Janet Bavasso, who lives next door to Mr. Slater in Queens, found nothing mysterious at all.

“Enough is enough — good for him,” Ms. Bavasso said. “If he would have called me, I would have picked him up.”

Reporting was contributed by Cate Doty, Christine Negroni, Tim Stelloh and Matthew L. Wald.

Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company

lofter1
August 10th, 2010, 01:32 AM
Some clever group is going to give Mr. Slater a Big Award.

From his My Space page:

10321

ZippyTheChimp
August 10th, 2010, 10:37 AM
If not for the little ones I was responsible for, I might have done something like this several times in my career.

But not smart getting a felony charge, although criminal mischief sounds sort of cool. I can relate to the deterioration of air-travel.

Ninjahedge
August 10th, 2010, 11:11 AM
The only thing they need to look at is simple.

How much money did he cost the airline for his disruption? Nobody was hurt, although this should not be encouraged.


It is a hoot they charged him with "tresspassing" though. Also, wasn't "disturbing the peace" another? Those are the two biggest crock charges when you do not have anything else to go on.

Bottom line, fire him, charge him for the replacement of the ramp, add some additional cost for the trouble and let our system get back to other tax-dollar wasting cases.

lofter1
August 10th, 2010, 11:15 AM
One plus for Mr. Slater if he faces trial on the charges: Jury Nullification.

Seems the idiot who stood up and then verbally assaulted Slater would be a key witness.

lofter1
August 10th, 2010, 11:16 AM
20 years on the job? Hope he's vested in terms of his retirement entitlements.

(any bets as to when this interloping topic gets its own thread?)

ZippyTheChimp
August 10th, 2010, 11:30 AM
^
I don't think there's any need for a separate thread. The 'Nigerian bomber' evolved into 'one more thing passengers have to worry about.' And the 'mad attendant' will soon go away.

But what led me to this thread was the first sentence of the article. I'll consider any changes to the thread title, maybe something along the line of:

Air Travel Indignities

or

Airline Follies

ZippyTheChimp
August 10th, 2010, 02:05 PM
Steven Slater gets lawyered up.

Or to be fair, reluctantly represented. He didn't post the minimal bail, and the attorney is court-appointed. A bonanza for court-appointed attorney - case with minimum criminality, but maximum nationwide attention.

August 10, 2010, 12:03 pm


JetBlue Attendant Held on Bail
as Lawyer Offers Details of Fracas

By ANDY NEWMAN AND MICK MEENAN
Mr. Slater on MySpace.

Steven Slater, the JetBlue flight attendant who activated an exit chute on a just-landed plane at Kennedy International Airport after a dispute with a passenger Monday and slid to notoriety, did not post the $2,500 bail set by a judge at his arraignment Tuesday morning and remains in custody.

At the arraignment on felony charges of reckless endangerment and criminal mischief in a packed room in the basement of criminal court in Queens, Mr. Slater’s court-appointed lawyer, Howard Turman, said that Mr. Slater’s activation of the slide was not reckless. He said Mr. Slater followed the proper procedure for activating the slide, checking out the window first to make sure no one was on the tarmac who could be struck by it.

Mr. Turman, of the Legal Aid Society, offered an account of the flight, JetBlue 1052 from Pittsburgh, that he said justified Mr. Slater’s actions. He told reporters that on the ground in Pittsburgh, a female passenger had been verbally and physically abusive to Mr. Slater when he intervened as she squabbled with a male passenger over access to the overhead luggage compartment.

“The woman initially at Pittsburgh slammed the overhead into his head,” Mr. Turman said of Mr. Slater.

A passenger on the flight, Greg Kanczes, said that he saw a large, fresh-looking gash on Mr. Slater’s forehead at the beginning of the flight. “It was about an inch-and-half long, and it was a big red mark or cut,” Mr. Kanczes said by phone Tuesday. “There was no bandage.”

In previous accounts offered by the authorities, Mr. Slater’s main altercation with the passenger had come at the end of the flight, not the beginning, with the passenger pulling a bag out of the overhead compartment that struck Mr. Slater in the head.

Meanwhile, in an interview on the celebrity-news Web site TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/10/steven-slater-jet-blue-flight-attendant-overhead-bin-criminal-charges-slide/), a woman who says she was married to Mr. Slater in the 1990s and remains friendly with him said that she talked to Mr. Slater’s ailing mother after his arrest Monday. The woman, Cynthia Susanne, said that Mr. Slater’s mother told her that Mr. Slater said that the passenger had “maliciously” pulled the compartment door down to hit Mr. Slater in the head, but that the altercation had occurred at the end of the flight.

The version offered by Mr. Turman indicates a longer-simmering animus between the two parties.

Mr. Turman said that on the ground at Kennedy, the tension flared up again. When the female passenger tried to get her bag out of the overhead before the crew had given permission and Mr. Slater instructed her to remain seated, Mr. Turman said, the woman “was outraged and cursing” at Mr. Slater, who “wanted to avoid a conflict.”

Law enforcement officials said that after the passenger cursed at Mr. Slater, he grabbed the intercom, cursed her out, bid passengers goodbye, grabbed a beer and activated the inflatable exit chute. In court, an assistant district attorney, Benjamin Martell, said that Mr. Slater said over the plane’s intercom, “Those of you who have shown dignity and respect for 20 years, have a great ride,” before making his final exit.

When asked why Mr. Slater chose to avoid the conflict by taking the emergency slide, Mr. Turman replied, “It was right there.”

Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company

Daquan13
August 13th, 2010, 04:48 PM
I wonered why there wasn't a separate thread on this one.

This guys sounds like a nut job! I don't think that I'd want him on a plane that I'M flying on!!

If he did that then, who knows whether he won't do it again? Only next time, he might try to throw something threw a window and depressurize the plane!!! I think that HE might be tied to Binladen as well!

Yet another reason not to fly!

stache
August 13th, 2010, 04:59 PM
Is spell check disabled?

Daquan13
August 13th, 2010, 10:41 PM
Well, the latest news is that he wants to return to being a flight attendant - and he wants his job back with Jet Blue!!

Honestly, what makes him think that he'll be able to get it back? He stands more of a chance of being convicted and sentensed, much less even being considered for his job back!!

Ninjahedge
August 15th, 2010, 03:24 PM
Daq, where do you get this reactionary attitude? You come on and compare a middle aged gay flight attendant to Osama Bin Laden and cry for your own safety.

1. Go back and correct your spelling. You look like you were, well, drunk when posting that.
2. Don't put yourself into fictional hypothetical worst case straw men situations. If you are worried about it, don't fly.
3. Just relax.

Calm down man! This is just a guy that over-reacted. He did not cause ANY damage that could not be reset/repaired and nobody was hurt. The mere fact that we have paid this much attention to it has both cost AND earned more money than the entire situation itself.

They should look at the situation, charge him with any misdemeanors, charge him for the expenses he incurred (plus, humorously, the price THEY charge for beer on the plane!) and honestly review the mitigating circumstances that may give them a better idea whether or not this act is something that shows a risk of repeating.

Aside from that..... Meh.

stache
August 15th, 2010, 10:08 PM
Actually the beer theft is cause for dismissal all by itself.

lofter1
August 15th, 2010, 11:54 PM
What if it was just a beer "advance"-- and he later returned a fresh can of brew to the fridge?

Ninjahedge
August 16th, 2010, 10:04 AM
That's the easy part.

Repacking that daamned slide...well......

stache
August 16th, 2010, 04:06 PM
A while back there was a flight attendant that had done some union rabble rousing and the airline finally managed to fire her because she took a pint of fruit juice with her off a plane.

Daquan13
August 17th, 2010, 10:29 PM
Daq, where do you get this reactionary attitude? You come on and compare a middle aged gay flight attendant to Osama Bin Laden and cry for your own safety.

1. Go back and correct your spelling. You look like you were, well, drunk when posting that.
2. Don't put yourself into fictional hypothetical worst case straw men situations. If you are worried about it, don't fly.
3. Just relax.

Calm down man! This is just a guy that over-reacted. He did not cause ANY damage that could not be reset/repaired and nobody was hurt. The mere fact that we have paid this much attention to it has both cost AND earned more money than the entire situation itself.

They should look at the situation, charge him with any misdemeanors, charge him for the expenses he incurred (plus, humorously, the price THEY charge for beer on the plane!) and honestly review the mitigating circumstances that may give them a better idea whether or not this act is something that shows a risk of repeating.

Aside from that..... Meh.




Leave me alone! Mind your own business, you insensitive moron!!

Your intent seems to always be about criticising & humiliating ME!

Well, go criticise the guy who used the emergency slide to get off the plane, when he coulld have just walked out the portside door where the jetway was connected to it. Can't say anything nice, then don't talk at all.

You wait for me to say something that you think might cross your imaginary line, and then you start personally attacking and stereotyping me with slander and scandelous talk, along with vicious insults! We will never get along because you are always looking for a lame & frivelous excuse to friggen argue with, insult and embarrass me. You did it before and now you're doing it again!!

It matters none to me as to whether he is gay or not. That is his choice & sexual preference. The fact is, is that he left the plane in a very controversial and unacceptible way and expects to try to get his job back, and with the same airline.

As for me, and according to you, supposedly being or looking like I was drunk when I posted that?, well that is none of your damn business! This is NOT about blasted spell checking, but rather it's about an ex-flight attendant whose bad non-professional choices are the consequences that he must carry with him.

Don't like my responses?, then don't read them. Use the ignore button! It's free.

Ninjahedge
August 19th, 2010, 08:24 AM
Leave me alone! Mind your own business!

Your intent seems to always be about criticising & humiliating ME!

When you post something stupid, you will get comments.


Well, go criticise the guy who used the emergency slide to get off the plane, when he coulld have just walked out the portside door where the jetway was connected to it. Can't say anything nice, then don't talk at all.

No. You are not following your own rules. I have never supported this guy.

comments like
I think that HE might be tied to Binladen as well! are incredibly stupid and warrant a reply.


You wait for me to say something that might cross your imaginary line, and then you start personally attacking and stereotyping me with slander and scandelous talk, along with vicious insults! We will never get along because you are always looking for a lame & frivelous excuse to friggen argue, insult and embarrass me.

This is by no way vicious. I am not looking to get along with someone who idolized MJ and GC. I am commenting on an ill-fitting, misspelled and discordant post that was issued by a reactive overly-emotional individual that does not seem to see the mode and method of his communication actually HURTS HIS CAUSE more than helps.

The way you are expressing yourself does not convince anyone you are right, and elicits very little sympathy. You are shooting yourself in the foot.


It matters none to me as to whether he is gay or not. That is his choice & sexual preference. The fact is, is that he left the plane in a very controversial and unacceptible way and expects to try to get his job back, and with the same airline.

Um, where did it matter to me either? I never used his sexual preference as a reason for his behavior. The term was used to site two VERY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS. In case you did not know, OBL did not care for Gays, so somehow trying to compare the two is a bit off....


As for me, and according to you, supposedly being or looking like I was drunk when I posted that?, well that is none of your damn business! This is NOT about blasted spell checking, but rather it's about an ex-flight attendant whose bad non-professional choices are the consequences that he must carry with him.

Ah, so you were drunk. :rolleyes:


Don't like my responses?, then don't read them. Use the ignore button! It's free.

You could do the same Daq.

Or you could post something less reactionary, hateful, mis-informed and just plain immature.

Sorry to hear that you will not fly because one man decides to jump out the side of a parked plane.... :rolleyes:

stache
August 19th, 2010, 09:08 AM
Posting drunk is not a good idea.

Daquan13
August 19th, 2010, 03:16 PM
Ninjahedge,

Put a sock in it, you moron. That's none of your busines. Are you stuck on stupid or something?

When you post controversial crap, then crap is what you'll get in return. Go get a life! You need one.

You and others like you are all over the Web, souring up forums, creating drama and turmoil.
You're nothing but a seriously chronic habitual troublemaker and an Internet Schoolyard Bully!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

lofter1
August 19th, 2010, 04:11 PM
A three-winker!

ZippyTheChimp
August 19th, 2010, 05:13 PM
That calls for a drink.

Oh, wait. Log off first.

stache
August 19th, 2010, 05:27 PM
I have already fallen off the log.

Ninjahedge
August 20th, 2010, 07:41 AM
I will NOT ask what log of which you speak........ :eek:


PS, Daq, look up "irony". :rolleyes:

ZippyTheChimp
August 20th, 2010, 09:15 AM
More airline follies


http://images.clickability.com/partners/3000/mainLogo.gif (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/19/plane.threat/?hpt=T2)


San Francisco plane threat
deemed non-credible

(CNN) -- A security threat to an American Airlines plane in San Francisco Thursday was deemed "non-credible," according to the San Francisco Police Department and other law enforcement agencies.

No one was arrested or "placed in handcuffs" in connection with a phone call threatening a hijacking of the flight in San Francisco, California, police Sgt. Michael Rodriguez said.

Earlier, a source familiar with the investigation said that two passengers were being questioned further by authorities.

The threat was called in before the plane departed from San Francisco.

Flight 24, bound for New York's John F. Kennedy Airport, was taken to a remote location, and passengers were interviewed and re-screened, while local law enforcement officers inspected the aircraft, TSA said.

Randy Cohen, a passenger on the flight, said the people on the plane were calm in general, but that as the time went by on the tarmac, some became nervous.

Even when the pilot made an announcement, "you could tell the angst in his voice and the uncertainty," Cohen said.

Cohen said he saw authorities remove a large garbage bag from an overhead bin in the back of the plane.

Once police arrived, the passengers were removed from the plane, six at a time.

Another passenger said they waited on the isolated plane for three hours after being diverted from the runway.

Lt. Bill Scott of the Alameda County, California, Police Department said his department became aware of the threat when a clerk at a local business called to report it.

The clerk had received a call that included a threat from "a suspicious male," Scott said. The police then called the FBI.

Scott said he could not comment on the specifics of the threat and whether it included a threat to hijack the plane said, "It was significant enough for us to notify the FBI."

A security official told CNN that the caller claimed the flight would be hijacked, but nothing has been found yet to back up that assertion.

Federal air marshals were aboard, according to a source familiar with the incident. The source did not know whether the marshals had to break cover because of the incident.

© 2008 Cable News Network


More from local KRON

SFO (KRON) -- Federal officials say they've now determined the phoned in bomb threat that led to the grounding of American Airlines flight 24 at San Francisco International Airport to be "non-credible."

The scare appears to have stemmed from a threatening phone call made to a hotel in Alameda.

"The phone call had taken place right around the hour of 9:00, " Hampton Hotel manager Dhruv Patel told KRON 4's Jeff Pierce. "I had a front desk clerk here. He handled the situation very well. He received a phone call that lasted about 45 seconds. At that point he realized there was a threat. That was the only thing he was able to gather from the phone conversation. The gentleman was very hard to understand, not well-spoken, broken words, yelling, screaming, almost a rant. He was able to gather only two specifics. Those specifics were American Airlines Flight 24 and hijacking. He immediately hung up the phone and called the local authorities. The authorities responded very quickly and the rest is under investigation now."

Alameda police Lt. Bill Scott said police received a report at 9:09 a.m. from a business on the east side of town reporting that a clerk had just gotten a call from a stranger who had made a threat against an airliner.

Police investigated the report and determined the threat was specific enough that it merited contacting federal authorities, which they did, Scott said.

Patel said the threatening call had come from outside the hotel, but the caller didn't say where he was or why he was calling the Hampton Inn.

The phone call was "jumbled" and filled with profanity, and the clerk said the man was hard to understand, according to Patel. He said the phone call lasted less than a minute.

"It all happened very, very quickly," he said.

The Associated Press is now quoting a federal law enforcement official as saying someone called in a bomb threat, not a hijacking or kidnapping threat, to local officials.

Passengers were taken off the plane and returned to the terminal for re-screening. One witness says she saw the two people who were talking with authorities at the back of the plane.

Authorities say the two people taken off were questioned and then released and allowed to rebook their flights.

The couple confirmed to an Associated Press reporter that they were the ones who had been removed from the plane but declined to identify themselves. They said authorities explained they were picked at random for questioning.

But a fellow passenger suggested the couple may have been targeted because of their appearance. Michael Anderson, 20, said he remembered seeing the couple as he was checking in for the flight to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport and saw them carrying passports from Pakistan.

"It definitely seems like it was racial profiling, based on what they look like physically and the fact they are Pakistani. It seems like this was a false accusation," said Anderson, a Yale University sophomore who was heading back to school.

"They didn't look suspicious or anything," one woman said. "It was just a couple of kids. We still don't know what happened. They never said what they suspect. They just came on, took them off, and then boarded us off."

KRON 4's Daniel Villareal saw dogs going onto the plane after the passengers were gone presumably to search for explosives or other contraband.

Transportation Security Administration officials ordered the plane moved to a remote part of the airport after reports came in of a threat to the flight.

Officials say there were 163 passengers and eleven crew members on board the flight which was scheduled to take off Thursday morning from San Francisco bound for New York's JFK Airport.

Authorities say they may have more information to release at a news conference set for later Thursday afternoon.

(Copyright 2010, KRON 4 and Bay City News

Daquan13
August 22nd, 2010, 08:09 AM
I will NOT ask what log of which you speak........ :eek:


PS, Daq, look up "irony". :rolleyes:




PS;

Only if you will look up the world, IDIOCY - to which I will no longer respond to when it comes to your posts. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :( :( :(

nycla3
August 22nd, 2010, 12:48 PM
I don't post often, but when I do its for a Daq-Equis whine.

Stay vapid, my friend.

Ninjahedge
August 23rd, 2010, 08:47 AM
PS;

Only if you will look up the world, IDIOCY - to which I will no longer respond to when it comes to your posts. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :( :( :(

Why look it up when you provide such a good example?

Seriously Daq, ease up. When I warn you about the troubles in over-reacting, even pointing out that it is ironic that you are calling me out as "stupid" when you yourself are posting under strong suspicion of being drunk, mis-spelling as you go, and somehow trying to equate a disgruntled Gay flight attendant to Osama Bin Laden.

Then, instread of just swallowing a bitter pill of self awareness, you start calling me names and, ironically, calling me a "schoolyard bully" when the only one here seeming to want to pull it down to that level is, again, you.

Now I will tell you this now. PLEASE can your pride, your ego and your wounded self image and get back on topic. TRY to have a bit of respect for the postings here and realize that this is not a ranting BBS (at least, not yet!). Any more comments from you like that I will NOT reply to and I will ask the mods to clip to try and keep this oh-so-wonderful and current topic OT...... :rolleyes:

Anywho, mods, if you haven't already......... ;)

ZippyTheChimp
August 23rd, 2010, 08:57 AM
So I happen to be on the same flight as DQ and NH.

"Mr Flight Attendant, could you put down that beer and escort these two passengers to the emergency exit chute?"

"But sir, we're airborne at 22,000 feet."

Other passengers: "All the better."

Ninjahedge
August 23rd, 2010, 09:28 AM
Lucky I packed an extra bed-sheet!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OcSCF9LB46SLtM:http://www.grinningplanet.com/3001/funny-quotes-images/calvin-and-hobbes_in-box_124x113.gif

lofter1
August 23rd, 2010, 09:45 AM
DQ and NH land safely on a deserted island ...

Ninjahedge
August 23rd, 2010, 10:48 AM
Is there any way to vote him off through Tribal Council?

lofter1
August 23rd, 2010, 10:53 AM
Election Results: Deadlocked!

Elimination Competition ensues ...

Ninjahedge
August 23rd, 2010, 01:57 PM
/me starts building raft.....

lofter1
August 23rd, 2010, 02:19 PM
There's no escape: It's a very small island, ringed by impenetrable reefs and surrounded by sharks.

ZippyTheChimp
August 23rd, 2010, 03:19 PM
^
I don't think there's any need for a separate thread. The 'Nigerian bomber' evolved into 'one more thing passengers have to worry about.' And the 'mad attendant' will soon go away.

But what led me to this thread was the first sentence of the article. I'll consider any changes to the thread title, maybe something along the line of:

Air Travel Indignities

or

Airline Follies

Flight Ejection Survivor?

Daquan13
August 24th, 2010, 08:00 AM
The flight attendant who walked off the job can get a new one; demonstrating how to use the emergency slide.

Ninjahedge
August 24th, 2010, 09:00 AM
He could be their new spokesperson!!!!!



BTW, what brand beer did he take?

Daquan13
September 6th, 2010, 10:42 AM
The guy has decided not to pursue his desires to get his job back with Jet Blue. He has said goodbye.

But he STILL must go to court to face those charges.

Ninjahedge
September 7th, 2010, 01:11 PM
He's still in the News??!?

lofter1
September 14th, 2010, 10:43 AM
This might get a lot of passengers saying "F You!" and opting for the slide ...

SkyRider: new 'saddle' seat allows airlines to 'cram' more passengers

The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/8001351/SkyRider-new-saddle-seat-allows-airlines-to-cram-more-passengers.html)
By Andrew Hough
14 Sep 2010

A new aircraft “standing seat” model aimed at cramming more airline passengers onto budget flights has been unveiled.

The new “saddle” seat, to be unveiled at a conference this week, increases the number of seats an airline can have in its economy class.

The design, named the “SkyRider” (http://www.aviointeriors.it/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=141:aviointeriors-launches-a-super-high-density-seat&Itemid=155), allows just 23 inches of legroom, which is about seven inches less than the average seat's space of 30 inches.

Shaped similar to a horse saddle, passengers sit at an angle, with their weight taken on by their legs. It allows seats to be overlapped.

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/today-in-the-sky/2010/09/10/seatx-inset-community.jpg

http://traveladvisor.pl/wp-content/media/standing-seat.jpg

The seats would also offer storage space including a shelf for carry-on bags and hooks to hang a jacket or a handbag.

The makers say the seat would allow budget airlines, such as Ryanair, to cram more passengers into their tight cabins.

The seat, designed by Italian design firm Aviointeriors Group, based in Latina, in the country's south-west, is to be unveiled this week at the Aircraft Interiors Expo Americas conference in Long Beach, California.

But while the designers claim it does not affect passenger comfort, they say it would only be suitable for flights of up to three hours.

"We feel extremely confident that this concept will ... have great appeal to airlines for economic purposes," Dominique Menoud, the company's director general, told USA Today.

“For flights anywhere from one to possibly even up to three hours ... this would be comfortable seating.

“The seat ... is like a saddle. Cowboys ride eight hours on their horses during the day and still feel comfortable in the saddle."

The company added that the seat, which is in its final stage of testing, had been “designed and engineered to offer the possibility to even further reduce ticket prices while still maintaining sound profitability”.

Ryanair, the Irish low-cost carrier, has previously said it would let passengers stand during flights if the Irish Aviation Authority granted permission ...

© Copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited 2010

ZippyTheChimp
September 14th, 2010, 11:04 AM
But while the designers claim it does not affect passenger comfort, they say it would only be suitable for flights of up to three hours.HAHA


“The seat ... is like a saddle. Cowboys ride eight hours on their horses during the day and still feel comfortable in the saddle."In conjunction, a new food menu will be offered - the Chuckwagon Special.

In-flight movies will be replaced by music videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuX28N2ckk0).

I can see a passenger protest. Everyone show up at the terminal in spurs and chaps.

ZippyTheChimp
September 14th, 2010, 11:15 AM
Thread has taken a different direction. Changed title, added some tags.

ablarc
September 14th, 2010, 11:31 AM
In the last days of its existence, I foolishly sprang for a standing-room performance of Wozzeck at the old Met. I got to lean on the wall, as at the new airline "seats". To this day I think of this as my greatest physical ordeal --though I think the music contributed.

Ninjahedge
September 14th, 2010, 11:42 AM
What about those comfey seats at the bus stops at Port Authority?

You know the ones, the swivel seats adjusted for some mutant height person with a narrow flat but that would find sitting there for longer than 5 minutes a hidden delight.

These seats are really bad, but the bad things comes quite simply.

1. How do you put a kid in one.
2. How do you use things like computers or anything else when your elbows hit the seat in front of you?
3. If the seats are already tight for eating now, how is making them closer going to help?
4. This is another case of trying to cut costs per capita. If people had an option to choose between these seats, that would be one thing, but I see this becoming a "standard" in which the only seats "available" on many flights, regardless of price (1st class excluded, of course), would be these nightmares.

Why don't we just put people in "comfortable" sensory deprivation units, like caskets. You pump in some light anesthesia, let them sleep over, and wake them when they get in!

How comfortable would THAT be!!!! :eek:

ZippyTheChimp
September 14th, 2010, 12:06 PM
Since the designers' admit that the seats would be comfortable up to three hours, that puts most flights in direct competition with high speed rail routes.

lofter1
September 14th, 2010, 04:34 PM
The new version of "steerage (http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=steerage&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=N9yPTPvPDsSclgeWyb3VAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQsAQwAw&biw=1150&bih=823)"

Daquan13
September 27th, 2010, 04:12 AM
I'm planning to go to Washington, DC between Christmas and News Year's, and I'm NOT flying. I'm going by Amtrak.

ZippyTheChimp
February 16th, 2012, 06:03 PM
Closing the book on the Pantie Bomber.



Attempted bomber of Detroit-bound plane gets life in prison

By Peter Finn, Thursday, February 16, 3:57 PM

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian who tried to bring down a U.S. commercial flight on Christmas Day 2009 by detonating a bomb hidden in his underwear, was sentenced to life in prison Thursday in federal court in Detroit.

U.S. District Court Judge Nancy G. Edmunds said life in prison is a “just punishment,” noting that “the defendant poses a significant ongoing threat to the safety of American citizens everywhere.”

As the flight from Amsterdam carrying 290 passengers and crew approached Detroit, Abdulmutallab tried to detonate the bomb, but it malfunctioned and sparked a small fire. Passengers quickly overpowered him, and the plane, already near the airport, accelerated its descent.

Abdulmutallab’s lawyer had said that sentencing the Nigerian to mandatory life as required under federal law would be unconstitutional because no one was killed in the attempted bombing. But Edmunds was unmoved.

Government lawyers, who played video of the impact of detonating the equivalent amount of explosives as Abdulmutallab carried, essentially said that his failure to succeed in the attack did not lessen its seriousness. They described him as an “unrepentant would-be mass murderer who views his crimes as divinely inspired.”

Prosecutors said Abdulmutallab, 25, was acting on the orders of Anwar al-Awlaki, the Yemeni American cleric who was killed in a CIA drone strike in September.

Abdulmutallab had gone to Yemen in search of Awlaki and was committed to participating in a suicide mission, according to a Justice Department sentencing memo filed with the court last week.

Awlaki arranged for the Nigerian to meet with the bomb-maker for al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen. Abdulmutallab was instructed not to explode the bomb until he was certain he was over U.S. territory, according to the memo.

U.S. officials said information provided by Abdulmutallab after his arrest illustrated the operational role that Awlaki had in Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. And that may have been a critical factor in the legal reasoning in a still-classified Justice Department memo that justified the lethal targeting of Awlaki, a U.S. citizen.

A second U.S. citizen, Samir Khan, who edited AQAP’s magazine, Inspire, was killed in the strike, although he was not a primary target, officials said. Awlaki’s Denver-born 16-year-old son was also killed in an airstrike several weeks after the death of his father.

Abdulmutallab pleaded guilty in October to eight charges, including attempted murder and terrorism, for trying to take down the flight.

Abdulmutallab, the son of a wealthy banker who studied in London, spoke briefly in court Thursday. “Mujaheddin are proud to kill in the name of God. And that is exactly what God told us to do in the Koran,” he said, according to the Associated Press. “Today is a day of victory.”

The Obama administration was criticized by some Republicans for the FBI’s decision to inform Abdulmutallab of his right to an attorney less than an hour into his initial questioning. But officials said he provided enough information to begin dealing with any immediate threat, and he continued to talk in coming months.

“Today’s sentence once again underscores the effectiveness of the criminal justice system in both incapacitating terrorists and gathering valuable intelligence from them,” said Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.

© The Washington Post Company

mariab
February 16th, 2012, 09:26 PM
Good riddance. At least he can take comfort in the fact that he gets a lifetime supply of free underwear.

Ninjahedge
February 17th, 2012, 09:42 AM
It is appropriately ironic that a man willing to die for his "cause" is forced to live out his life in prison.

I am glad that there was no real call for his execution, as that would not have been a real punishment....

mariab
May 14th, 2013, 04:14 PM
This is a program from the Travel Channel, divided on youtube into 3 parts, about the golden age of air travel. No sardine-can death tubes back then, everything was fabulous. Just saw it today, and it's appropriately titled "Plane Sexy".




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtJmTDxJzSA

mariab
May 14th, 2013, 04:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix0xRJSQY7s

mariab
May 14th, 2013, 04:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_CP1usJXk

eddhead
May 17th, 2013, 04:22 PM
This is a program from the Travel Channel, divided on youtube into 3 parts, about the golden age of air travel. No sardine-can death tubes back then, everything was fabulous. Just saw it today, and it's appropriately titled "Plane Sexy".




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtJmTDxJzSA

At the risk of embarassing myself, I have to say that frozen pic looks like the prelude to a dirty movie.

mariab
May 17th, 2013, 08:03 PM
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4996856092164615&w=207&h=207&c=8&pid=3.1&qlt=90 (http://wirednewyork.com/images/search?q=sigmund+freud+photos&id=B566E92C087F5ED81BA99104A2BE36BDDE347E88&FORM=IQFRBA)

ZippyTheChimp
May 17th, 2013, 08:25 PM
Sorry, the doctor is in China.

stache
May 17th, 2013, 09:01 PM
At the risk of embarassing myself, I have to say that frozen pic looks like the prelude to a dirty movie.

Yes, and it's going to start off with a hot three-way.

eddhead
May 18th, 2013, 10:29 AM
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4996856092164615&w=207&h=207&c=8&pid=3.1&qlt=90 (http://wirednewyork.com/images/search?q=sigmund+freud+photos&id=B566E92C087F5ED81BA99104A2BE36BDDE347E88&FORM=IQFRBA)

Nice cross-over post.

stache
May 18th, 2013, 10:45 AM
He doesn't look very happy.

mariab
May 18th, 2013, 03:57 PM
He probably had just come to the realization that sometimes a cigar isn't just a cigar.

Ninjahedge
May 20th, 2013, 01:16 PM
I was afreud of that.

lofter1
July 12th, 2013, 11:21 PM
Bay Area FOX News station seriously punked ...

Epic KTVU Fail: Anchor Reports Pilot Names Including ‘Sum Ting Wong’ and ‘Wi Tu Lo’ (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/epic-ktvu-fail-anchor-reports-pilot-names-including-sum-ting-wong-and-wi-tu-lo_b97368)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JYHNX8pdo

stache
July 13th, 2013, 12:54 AM
That is terrible! :p

Ninjahedge
July 17th, 2013, 03:17 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lydiy-VcB_4

Enormous Genitals! (clip IS safe for work.....)

IrishInNYC
July 17th, 2013, 03:43 PM
Bay Area FOX News station seriously punked ...

Epic KTVU Fail: Anchor Reports Pilot Names Including ‘Sum Ting Wong’ and ‘Wi Tu Lo’ (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/epic-ktvu-fail-anchor-reports-pilot-names-including-sum-ting-wong-and-wi-tu-lo_b97368)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JYHNX8pdo

Hilarious. Not the video, the fact that KTVU have copyrighted such a humongous mess up and removed the video!

Ninjahedge
July 17th, 2013, 09:59 PM
KTVU punk'd

lofter1
August 11th, 2013, 03:03 PM
What indignities might this super-fast mode of travel bring with it?

Inside the Hyperloop: the pneumatic travel system faster than the speed of sound

It is called “The Hyperloop” and, according to the designer, it will be a revolutionary “fifth mode” of transport, eclipsing trains, planes, boats and automobiles.

THE GUARDIAN (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10235261/Inside-the-Hyperloop-the-pneumatic-travel-system-faster-than-the-speed-of-sound.html)
August 10, 2013

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02640/Hyperloop_2640797c.jpg
The Hyperloop: the pneumatic travel route faster than the speed of sound

The “cross between Concorde, a rail gun and an air hockey table” will deliver passengers between US cities faster than the speed of sound.

The history of transport is replete with dreamers who have concocted such schemes for getting people from A to B in previously unimagined haste. And many of them have remained just that, impractical ideas on a drawing board that will never see the light of day.

But the latest mysterious project, which has had the technology world buzzing for months, has one crucial difference. Its backer is a Silicon Valley wunderkind with a proven track record of turning science fiction into reality.

Billionaire Elon Musk’s CV is impressive, to say the least. He made his initial fortune from PayPal, the online secure payment system, before going on to launch spaceships. Last year his SpaceX venture became the first private operation to dock a cargo capsule with the International Space Station.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02640/The-Hyperloop-_2640798c.jpg
Elon Musk (Getty Images)

Back on Earth, Mr Musk also founded Tesla, which has made electric sports cars viable and profitable.

The mercurial, fictional character of Tony Stark, played by Robert Downey Jr in the Iron Man films, is reputedly based on him.

So when Mr Musk, 42, announced that he would be publishing plans for the Hyperloop on Monday, August 12 - tomorrow - scientists were sent into a tailspin.

They will have to wait for Mr Musk to post his “alpha design” on the internet then but he has dropped several hints about its features, including that the system will be powered by solar panels.

Mr Musk will not be patenting the design and it will be “open source”, meaning anyone can modify it, or try to build it.

The fevered speculation about what it would actually look like has ranged from wild theories on Star Trek-style teleportation to more achievable ones involving cars being pushed through vacuum sealed tunnels using magnets.

Mr Musk has denied it will be a so-called “vactrain”, a concept that is already being pursued by a company in Colorado. His idea “does involve a tube, but not a vacuum tube”, he said, adding: “Not frictionless, but very low friction.”

In recent weeks a large part of the mystery appeared to have been solved. A technology enthusiast in Canada called John Gardi published a diagram of how the Hyperloop might work. He went on to ask Mr Musk on Twitter: “Can you give me some basic clues? What diameter of tube so I can start designing stations and throughways?”

To his extreme surprise Mr Musk replied: “Your guess is the closest I’ve seen anyone guess so far. Pod diameter probably around 2m.”

Mr Gardi, who describes himself modestly as a “tinkerer”, came up with a tunnel 9ft in diameter, raised above the ground on pylons. His tube could be made from materials already used for sewer pipes. It would form a continuous loop between two destination points. Giant turbines would blast a stream of air into the tube. The two-metre wide pods, carrying people, would be moved by a rail gun - a tube that uses magnets to accelerate material passing along it.

As they approach their journey’s end they would be routed out of the air stream and slowed down using a magnetic braking system.

In an extensive analysis published on the website Motherboard, Mr Gardi concluded: “I believe that Hyperloop is merely a modern day version of the pneumatic tubes used in banks, stores, and industry to move money and small items over long distances or to other floors of a building.

“They’ve been around for over a century, though not so much these days. One reason I think Hyperloop is simpler than folks think is that Elon Musk has resurrected another technology from the depths of time, one that was a contender once, too - the electric car!”

Mr Musk’s intended location for the first Hyperloop is California, between Los Angeles and San Francisco. His motivation for the project came from disillusionment with the Golden State’s high speed rail project, which has been dubbed the “bullet train to nowhere” after a series of setbacks.
He believes the Hyperloop could be built for a tenth of the cost and deliver passengers between the two cities in just 30 minutes, compared to three hours for the bullet train.

The bullet train is currently estimated to be costing $68 billion and may not be completed until 2028. It would reach top speeds of only around 130mph. In a survey seven in 10 people said, if the train ever does run, they would “never or hardly ever” use it anyway.

In an internet conversation this week with Sir Richard Branson, Mr Musk said: “I originally started thinking about it when I read a thing about California’s high speed rail project, which was somewhat disappointing. It is actually worse than taking the plane. I get a little sad when things are not getting better in the future.

“Another example would be like the Concorde being retired and the fact there is no supersonic passenger transport. I think that is sad. You want the future to be better than the past, or at least I do.

“The Hyperloop is something that would go effectively faster than the speed of sound. Conceivably you could live in San Fran and work in LA.”
Mr Musk said the Hyperloop would be best used between paired cities less than 1,000 miles apart, and would be safer than air travel.

However, Mr Musk said last week that he is too busy with space to build it himself. He added: “I think I kind of shot myself in the foot by ever mentioning the Hyperloop, because I’m too strung out. Obviously I have to focus on core Tesla business, and SpaceX business, and that’s more than enough.”

Mr Gardi has confidence though. He said: “Building Hyperloop’s main line for a tenth the cost of high speed rail is not only feasible, it’s doable.”

lofter1
August 11th, 2013, 03:09 PM
... In recent weeks a large part of the mystery appeared to have been solved. A technology enthusiast in Canada called John Gardi published a diagram of how the Hyperloop might work. He went on to ask Mr Musk on Twitter: “Can you give me some basic clues? What diameter of tube so I can start designing stations and throughways?”

To his extreme surprise Mr Musk replied: “Your guess is the closest I’ve seen anyone guess so far. Pod diameter probably around 2m.”

Mr Gardi, who describes himself modestly as a “tinkerer”, came up with a tunnel 9ft in diameter, raised above the ground on pylons ...


Hyperloop Coming, But How?
Technical Breakdown Shows Elon Musk's Project Is Possible

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TIMES (http://www.ibtimes.com/hyperloop-coming-how-technical-breakdown-shows-elon-musks-project-possible-1376023)
August 7, 2013


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Evacuated Tube Transport Technologies (ET3) has developed a conceptual maglev train inside of an air-locked tube that utilizes a very small amount of energy for transport. Musk says the Hyperloop will not utilize a vacuum tube. Courtesy / ET3

Tesla Motors Inc. (NASDAQ: TSLA (https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:TSLA)) and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk dropped mysterious hints throughout July about “The Hyperloop,” (http://www.ibtimes.com/elon-musks-unveil-hyperloop-train-design-he-says-it-will-get-la-san-francisco-30-minutes-1346833) a new high-speed transportation system that he says will take riders from Los Angeles to San Francisco in under 20 minutes and cost one-tenth of the price of the proposed bullet train from L.A. to S.F. Musk announced (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/statuses/356776740409974785) that he would reveal the plans by Aug. 12, but that didn’t stop designers from creating mockups (http://www.ibtimes.com/top-5-things-hyperloop-might-look-tesla-founder-elon-musk-unveil-high-speed-tranport-plans-august) predicting how the Hyperloop technology could work.

John Gardi, a “tinkerer and jack-of-all-trades currently living in Canada,” according to Motherboard (http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-elon-musk-can-build-the-hyperloop-in-10-days-for-a-tenth-the-cost-of-high-speed-rail), designed a mockup of the Hyperloop that Musk praised for being the “best guess” he’d seen yet. Gardi elaborated on his Hyperloop design, which Musk describes as a cross between a Concorde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde) supersonic plane, a rail gun and an air hockey table, to give an idea of the technology needed to actually build a Hyperloop, and how it would actually be a cost-effective project.

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Will this design look like the Hyperloop? John Gardi

Using some clues from Musk, Gardi determined that each Hyperloop car would be roughly the same size and weight as a family car. He extrapolated from this the maximum weight the Hyperloop’s main structure could support. Gardi concludes that because a high-speed rail car would be nearly 20 times heavier, the construction of the Hyperloop would be cheaper and the components would be stronger.

scumonkey
August 11th, 2013, 03:21 PM
Looks like an interesting idea but, there doesn't seem to be
any room or space to accommodate a fat Americans, junk food eating, big gulp drinking,
need to get up and relieve his/her self during transit ?!

lofter1
August 11th, 2013, 03:35 PM
Who needs to get up during the 20 minute ride from SF > LA?

scumonkey
August 11th, 2013, 05:03 PM
many more than you might imagine (all that fat pressing up against their bladders), especially people traveling with children :o

lofter1
August 11th, 2013, 06:42 PM
Maybe, once everyone is on board, they'll have to fill the tube with a fast-acting, short-term knockout gas ...

Definitely not this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolokol-1

One of these might do the trick:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03NuS0_BhHw

stache
August 11th, 2013, 06:49 PM
many more than you might imagine (all that fat pressing up against their bladders), especially people traveling with children :o

Dream: Travel where children are not allowed​.

scumonkey
August 11th, 2013, 06:58 PM
I see we share the same dreams :D

Merry
August 12th, 2013, 05:59 AM
Me, too :).

Ditto for restaurants, shops, buses, trains...

lofter1
August 12th, 2013, 11:20 PM
Drum Roll, Please ...

Elon Musk Unveils Plans for Hyperloop High-Speed Train

NY TIMES - BITS (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/12/elon-musk-unveils-plans-for-hyperloop-high-speed-train/?hp)
By NICK BILTON
AUGUST 12, 2013, 6:45 PM


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A rendering of passengers riding a Hyperloop capsule.

Never let it be said that Elon Musk (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/elon_musk/index.html?inline=nyt-per), a serial entrepreneur who was a co-founder of PayPal and the electric car (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/e/electric_vehicles/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) company Tesla (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/tesla-motors-inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Motors, is afraid to think big.

Mr. Musk on Monday harked back to the days of the late-1990s tech bubble — when no idea seemed too big or too expensive — by showing off plans for a project that seems the stuff of science fiction.

The hypothetical project is called the Hyperloop, a high-speed train (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/h/high_speed_rail_projects/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) that would take people to San Francisco from Los Angeles in 30 minutes. That is a speed of almost 800 miles an hour (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=speed+traveling+382+miles+in+30+minutes).

The first unanswered question among many for Mr. Musk’s ambitious vision is who exactly would build this 400-mile transportation system. Mr. Musk suggested someone else should do it. But if no one takes the baton, he might do it. Or not.

Beyond that, the details of who would pay for Hyperloop, how it would be built and how long it would take are also unclear. But Mr. Musk theorized that if he devoted all of his energy, he could have a prototype done within one to two years. He estimated the project would cost around $6 billion and tickets would cost $20 per trip.

“It doesn’t seem plausible to me,” said Richard White, a professor of American history at Stanford and author of “Railroaded: The Transcontinentals and the Making of Modern America.” “I’m suspicious about everything, especially cost.”

Mr. White added, “How’s he going to build this thing for $6 billion? You can’t even build the Bay Bridge for that much money.” The still-unfinished renovations of the Bay Bridge connecting San Francisco and Oakland are expected to cost $6.3 billion.

So don’t pack your bags just yet. In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-12/revealed-elon-musk-explains-the-hyperloop) on Monday, Mr. Musk said he regretted mentioning the Hyperloop last year, saying that he has no time to work on the project and instead has to run SpaceX and Tesla Motors, his two other companies.

Mr. Musk first mentioned Hyperloop last summer and detailed it further in an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek. In July, he announced on Twitter (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/elon-musk-to-unveil-designs-for-hyperloop-high-speed-train/) that he would unveil the designs for the high-speed train on Aug. 12. As promised, a 57-page “alpha design” plan was posted online Monday that explained how such a train would work.

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A sketch of what a Hyperloop capsule could look like.

Mr. Musk has clearly put a lot of thought into the design. The document he unveiled explains that the high-speed train would become “truly a new mode of transport — a fifth mode after planes, trains, cars and boats.” The Hyperloop would transport people in “pods” that would travel through tubes. The tubes would be mounted on pylons that could be designed to withstand earthquake movements.

Mr. Musk took swipes at the California High Speed Rail that is being built and headed by the California High-Speed Rail Authority. This train, while real, is not expected to be completed until 2029 and will cost an estimated $68.4 billion to build.

“When the California ‘high speed’ rail was approved, I was quite disappointed, as I know many others were too,” Mr. Musk wrote, while saying that the Hyperloop would cost $6 billion to build. It is not clear how he arrived at this cost estimate.

If anyone could build such a train, it is probably Mr. Musk. Critics railed against him (http://www.space.com/14936-spacex-ceo-elon-musk-60-minutes-interview.html)when he first broached the idea for private space travel with Space Exploration Technologies, of Hawthorne, Calif. Otherwise known as SpaceX, Mr. Musk’s company proved critics wrong last year (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/science/space/spacex-to-send-rocket-holding-cargo-to-space-station.html)when it launched its Falcon 9 rocket.

But Mr. Musk’s assertion that he does not want to be the leader of the Hyperloop project has some people wondering if it will actually be built.

During a news conference, Mr. Musk seemed to waver over whether he wanted to be involved with the project. “I’m somewhat tempted to at least make a demonstration prototype,” he said. “I’ve sort of come around a little bit on my thinking here that maybe I should do the beginning bit and build a subscale version that’s operating.”

In the paper released Monday (http://www.scribd.com/embeds/159811253/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true), Mr. Musk acknowledged that there had been other proposed ideas for a train similar to the high-speed train over the years. “Unfortunately,” he wrote, “none of these have panned out.”

lofter1
August 12th, 2013, 11:26 PM
Musk's HYPERLOOP ALPHA paper, in full at Scribd (http://www.scribd.com/embeds/159811253/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true)

scumonkey
August 12th, 2013, 11:33 PM
Very interesting- but also looks hyper claustrophobic...

stache
August 13th, 2013, 02:32 AM
I'm really suspicious about the $20 per trip part.

Ninjahedge
August 13th, 2013, 09:09 AM
That would be cost, not actual price... ;)

Nexis4Jersey
August 13th, 2013, 11:21 AM
6 billion to build in 310 miles of elevated track in Earthquake is very suspicious... Elevated highways , pipelines and Railways in Japan , Korea and China that in some cases are no longer then 20 miles push 10 billion... I think when the engineers go over musk's plans , the cost will go up to around 45 billion , you also have to factor in NIMBYs and ROW costs which out there and anywhere these days can be a costly pain.