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June 18th, 2010, 09:51 PM
Fire Island is a maritime paradise of plants and animals. It's only 1 hr 21 minutes by LIRR from Penn Station, followed by a 20 minute ferry ride over to the island. Allow some connection time between. Once you get there, it's like being a thousand miles from the City.
It's great to go during the week in early June when it's uncrowded so we stayed out there on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday of this week. Here are some of the photos I took.











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June 19th, 2010, 02:05 PM
Thanks MTG.

Fire Island is a great place, often overlooked. I guess that's good.

More info:

Fire Island National Seashore (http://www.nps.gov/fiis/planyourvisit/index.htm)

June 19th, 2010, 02:51 PM
During mid-week is by far the best time to go to Fire Island, if one has the freedom and time to do so. Weekends are ridiculously crazy come July & August. But no matter the time, there's nothing like getting on the ferry, seeing Long Island recede in the distance and finally arriving into a bit of paradise (coming in by sea plane is a whole other experience and, if memory serves me well, it's all good). Waking up out there makes Manhattan seem light years away.

Long strolls along the Atlantic -- either to the east or west -- are fantastic: Hitting the beach, leaving the houses behind and continuing on through an undeveloped stretch of seashore, then reaching the next enclave with homes tucked into the trees and rising from dunes, then on along the beach and into the water and on and on and on.

It's always been pricey out there, but like so much else, it's now hit the stratosphere. Earlier this year a company, FIP Ventures (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/statement-from-fip-ventures-llc-82276182.html), bought up most of the commercial district in the Fire Island Pines for more than $20M, with plans to re-vamp (http://andarchitects.com/projects/pines_f.html) the whole area. According to the NY Times (http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/renovation-in-store-on-fire-island-pines/):

Among gay men, Fire Island Pines is a legendary place of romance, rowdiness and high real estate prices.

More than half the residents make more than $300,000 a year, according to the local property owners’ association. Houses often rent for $10,000 or more a week in summer.

Now a group of investors is preparing to spend about $20 million for a restaurant, a disco and other commercial properties overlooking the town’s ferry dock, The New York Times’s Fred A. Bernstein writes. The buildings, which constitute about three-quarters of the commercial properties in the Pines, sold for less than half that amount in 2004.

In the prospectus, they described the properties as “ripe for repositioning,” a task they said would involve extensive changes, including upgrading the menu at the restaurant, the Blue Whale, and revamping the hotel, called Le Ciel (though usually known by its former name, the Botel), to eliminate shared bathrooms and exposed cinderblock walls.

... To upgrade the Blue Whale, the investors plan to bring in the group that runs the Almond Restaurant in Bridgehampton, which serves appetizers like foie gras mousse with kumquat basil marmalade. By contrast, the Blue Whale tends toward burgers and Buffalo wings.

As a result, the buyers said in their prospectus, the Blue Whale sold only $1,400 worth of food per seat last summer. By contrast, revenue at the Almond was $7,100 per seat, they said.

... “The Pines had become sort of rundown. The next generation of gay guys weren’t coming. They used to call it Jurassic Park.”

June 20th, 2010, 10:10 AM
Why are the deer so tame? Beautiful photos. I've heard of Fire Island but have never seen any pictures that I can recall.

June 20th, 2010, 11:15 AM
Eden in New York. Opulently gorgeous pix, MidtownGuy.

Isn't it about time they started planning for the Gulf oil slick's visit?

June 20th, 2010, 02:33 PM
Why are the deer so tame?

No predators. Plus they get tuckered out swimming over from Long Island. The FI deer used to be very mangey and infected with ticks, but these guys look pretty healthy.

June 20th, 2010, 05:04 PM
No predators.

June 21st, 2010, 03:24 AM
We didn't see any that looked mangy but I do remember seeing one that had ears infected with ticks and I felt bad for it. The rest seemed healthy. One young little guy kept inching closer to where were standing on a boardwalk. Then I realized he might be angling for a hand out. So I reached in a bag and pulled out a slice of bread. Pow. He came over and was within arm's length. I held out the bread and he took it from me with his narrow little mouth and gulped it down instantly. We're probably not supposed to feed them but I couldn't resist giving him a little bit. This encounter happened when we first arrived, so it was a nice welcome to the island and a preview of the relaxing three days to come.

June 21st, 2010, 04:55 PM
Excellent. You could go back and have a completely different experience depending on which area (town? hamlet?) you're in, though the deer and wooden pathways almost define the place. There are excellent trails in the National Seashore too. Thank for the reminder, MTG.

November 25th, 2012, 03:44 AM
Fire Island After Sandy: Summer Getaway Assesses Future After Superstorm



New Yorkers who cherish Fire Island as an idyllic summertime getaway feared the worst when the 32-mile-long barrier island took a direct hit from Superstorm Sandy's powerful surge. The wall of water swamped nearly the entire island, destroyed or washed away about 200 homes and scraped sand dunes down to nothing.
Still, residents are counting their blessings.

That's because more than 4,000 structures survived, at least enough to be repaired. And some are crediting the carefully maintained wall of dunes, ranging from 10 to 20 feet tall, with taking the brunt of the storm's fury.

"The dunes were demolished, but without their protection it would have been much worse," said Malcolm Bowman, a professor of physical oceanography at Stony Brook University.

Evidence of the hit the dunes absorbed is everywhere. A half-mile from the ocean, a blizzard of sand covers bicycles up to the handlebars. Wooden pilings are all that remain of stairs and walkways that passed over dunes and led down to the beach. A football-field-size network of concrete blocks that once sat under 6 feet of sand lay bare in the autumn sunshine. Houses on stilts that once peeked over sand berms now sit naked to the surf.

New Yorkers know Fire Island as their own private paradise, a close-to-home getaway that's accessible only by ferry and feels like a different country. The strip of beaches five miles off the south shore of Long Island is three-fourths undeveloped and includes a national wilderness area.

It has just 300 permanent residents, but on weekends from Memorial Day to Labor Day, the population is swelled by 75,000 visitors who rent homes ranging in size from multilevel palaces to rustic bungalows. A couple of communities are favorite destinations of gay and lesbian visitors. Cars are banned in the summertime; denizens get around on bikes and boardwalks and tote their gear in red toy wagons.

Because of its remoteness, officials have only begun in the past week or so to allow the residents, and the others who own vacation homes and businesses, to return and assess the damage.

Retired electrical contractor Hyman Portnoy, whose two-story oceanfront home in the village of Ocean Beach suffered damage to its large deck, said rebuilding the dunes is a major concern.

"We haven't got any protection now," he said. "I'd be satisfied with anything. I'd be satisfied with a pile."

Suzy Goldhirsch, president of the Fire Island Association, which represents businesses and homeowners, noted that homeowners in many Fire Island communities – there are 17 different villages and hamlets – pay part of their property taxes to maintain the dunes.

But she expects the federal government will be asked to fund some of the dune restoration, arguing that maintaining the barrier island serves to protect not just Fire Island, but also the homes of the 3 million Long Islanders on the mainland.

Critics of federal funding of beach and dune replenishment say U.S. taxpayers shouldn't pick up the tab for beaches enjoyed by only a fraction of the population. Replenishment backers counter that Congress has approved recovery funds for other disasters including Hurricane Katrina and last year's tornadoes in Missouri.

The work of replacing sand dunes that washed away in the storm is already under way. Workers are scooping up sand from the streets, putting it in bags and piling it up where the dunes once stood.

Ocean waves demolished at least nine houses, left in splinters on the oceanfront, and about 200 others are severely damaged and likely to be condemned. Dozens of other homes appear uninhabitable without major repairs. Others are covered in muck several inches deep.

"Decimated," Ocean Beach artist Kenny Goodman said last week as he returned to the shop he has owned for a quarter-century. When he first saw the damage from flooding in his store, he said, he was "really overwhelmed and sad – it's just a gigantic loss."

Goodman, a New Yorker who has been coming to Fire Island for 40 years, said he plans to rebuild his shop. "It will be different. Maybe by my grandchildren's time it will be back," but he also lamented, "It won't be like it was."

The Atlantic Ocean breached the narrow island in three places. Two of the breaches are being closed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers; the National Park Service is evaluating whether a third breach should be closed by the Army Corps or allowed to close naturally.

As far as rebuilding, many jurisdictions – federal, state, county, town and local – will have a say in what can and can't be rebuilt, said Fire Island National Seashore Superintendent Chris Soller.

New York state has regulations about who can rebuild in some designated coastal erosion zones, although an official with the town of Brookhaven, which oversees some of the westernmost communities of the island's 17 hamlets and villages, said special variances could be issued in some cases to allow rebuilding in those zones.

Fire Island, like many Northeast communities harmed by Sandy, is beginning to reassess where and how to rebuild, Goldhirsch said.

"It's part of a new national dialogue," she said. "The governor has said he wants to rebuild smarter and better, and I think we have to think about how we are going to do this so it's better in the future. We have a lot to think about; there are no easy answers, no one answer."

Political leaders need to come up with a long-term plan for future development on the island, said Bowman, the Stony Brook professor.

"Not just a rapid-fire reaction to a catastrophe; this is going to happen again," he said. "Some of these things are going to be very expensive decisions, and we need a longer perspective."