View Full Version : Religion and its face in NYC.

August 26th, 2010, 07:53 AM
OK, maybe this has been covered in different posts throughout the forum, but thi sis just annoying me.

We have already argued about the placement of the Mosque at Park51... Some say "debate" but it has not been a logical interchange of established facts. It has been almost all emotion.

Now we hear of a PROTEST because the ESB will not be in Blue and White?


I can see where they would petition a place to do something like this, but there are a few things that people do not seem to understand.

1. It is privately owned.
2. It has a policy of not honoring ANY religious figure.

We have such lberating policies here in the states, but somehow people can be so duplicitous as to refuse anothers right to worship, but demand anothers acknowledgment of a religious figure.

We also have state institutions that will comply to this (Brooklyn Boro Hall) in the face of unpopularity from the "voters". Completely spineless.

August 26th, 2010, 11:09 AM
Don't forget about the drunk who stabbed a Cabbie, because he is a Muslim.

It seems everyone is loosing their marbles, especially when it comes to praying to an invisible being. The whole Park 51 debacle is nothing but the extreme Right Wing, feeding into emotion and not logic.

Besides, the ESB doesn't need to be in blue and white, as a Mets fan, that always reminds me of the Yanks. ;)

August 26th, 2010, 12:59 PM
In the past they've lit up the ESB (http://esbnyc.com/tourism/tourism_lightingschedule.cfm?CFID=37510563&CFTOKEN=47402102) in blue and white for Yankees and a lot of other things:

06/28/2010 Blue/White/Blue Crain's New York Business, 25th Anniversary

06/21/2010 Yankees (Blue/White/Blue) Mets and Yankees "Subway Series", Team colors of Subway Series winner

05/25/2010 Blue/White/Blue Consulate General of Argentina, 200th Anniversary of Argentina

05/23/2010 Blue/White/Blue Jewish Community Relations Council of NYC, 2010 Salute to Israel Parade

05/18/2010 Blue/White/Blue Columbia University, 2010 Commencement

02/06/2010 - 02/07/2010 Super Bowl lighting

North/South sides: New Orleans Saints (Yellow/Black/Yellow)

East/West sides: Indianapolis Colts (Blue/White/Blue)

12/11/2009 - 12/20/2009 Blue/White/Blue Chanukah

11/05/2009 - 11/08/2009 Blue/White/Blue New York Yankees 2009 World Series Champions

11/04/2009 Blue/White/Blue New York Yankees in 2009 World Series (Game #6 at home vs. Philadelphia Phillies)

10/02/2009 - 10/04/2009 Blue/Blue/White American Academy of Dramatic Arts, 125th Anniversary

August 26th, 2010, 01:01 PM
Now we hear of a PROTEST because the ESB will not be in Blue and White?

2. It has a policy of not honoring ANY religious figure.

Except for the Baby Jesus ...

12/23/2009 - 01/06/2010 Red/Green/Green Christmas

August 26th, 2010, 01:03 PM
Some folks might argue this is akin to religion:

11/24/2009 Blue/White/Yellow NASCAR, 4th Consecutive NASCAR Sprint Cup Championship Win for Jimmie Johnson

August 26th, 2010, 01:07 PM
Loft, you know that can easily be argued against as "holiday colors".

I know what you are saying, but they are putting the lights up as more of a Holiday thing than an individual.

Now if we REALLY want to get picky, you can also look to see that Jesus was probably born around summertime and that the holiday was moved to overlap the pagan holiday of Saturnalia (I believe that is the one) celebrating the Solstice. But that is besides the point.

The thing that irritates me is not the fact that it does or does not honor something, but that people feel, in this day and age, the need to spend their time and effort toward PROTESTING A BUNCH OF LIGHTS rather than actually contributing squat to something that would actually help someone or say something more significant about themselves and their beliefs.

It is just another way to mask the fact that humans are lazy pack animals that like to get together for no real good reason so long as they:

1. Don't have to do any work.
2. Have a bunch of other people around them agreeing with them.

August 26th, 2010, 01:28 PM
Kind of like ^ what goes on at WNY :cool:

August 26th, 2010, 02:25 PM
Yep, but at least I do not have to take a day off from work to do so!!! ;)

Don't you agree? :D

August 26th, 2010, 11:16 PM
Except for the Baby Jesus ...

12/23/2009 - 01/06/2010 Red/Green/Green Christmas

Uhm, and the Jewish occasions? :o

August 26th, 2010, 11:48 PM
Does Chanukah celebrate a specific religious person? (The reason given by ESB for not lighting up for Mother T.)

August 27th, 2010, 08:41 AM
Loft, I do not make the rules they follow.....

They said "religious persona" and that was it.

The mere fact that people are willing to, ironically, HATE someone not willing to celebrate someone they love (AMAZING how Christians can be so hypocritical sometimes) is astounding.

I guess you are only supposed to turn the other cheek if someone actually hits you?