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August 28th, 2010, 03:59 PM
‘Restoring Honor’ rally draws large crowd

This is big, what exactly I am not sure: is this a Christian/religious movement, a Tea party/political movement or perhaps something else altogether – whatever it is, this enormous turnout today in Washington is news worthy.

Preliminary snapshots from the rally - http://www.goddiscussion.com/30990/preliminary-snapshots-from-glenn-becks-restoring-america-rally-america-is-turning-back-to-god/

August 28th, 2010, 04:32 PM
But, they will tell you it's not about race. (http://yfrog.com/n7oclj)

This whole tea-party thing is getting to a point where it's really sad. I shutter to think what people NOW think of America. I just pray that the extreme right-wing doesn't get a hold of power. If they do, it's going to be some tough times ahead.

August 28th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Glenn Beck and the Tea Party have cleverly hijacked Martin Luther King. His niece swears MLK would be a tea-party supporter.

What hope is left?

We live in a stew of non-stop lies.

And those lies come from both sides.

The only hope: stop grinding our own axes, and offer a flintstone to our supposed adversaries.

Isn't that what Jesus would propose?

August 28th, 2010, 04:43 PM
That's an impressive crowd. Nowhere near as big as the Obama inaugural, and smaller than the immigration-rights marches of 2006 -- but you have to give conservatives credit here, as they are less concentrated in cities and therefore less easily gathered in a central place. It's probably the biggest conservative rally in decades.

August 28th, 2010, 04:49 PM
God as Politician in Chief ...

In Washington, a Call for Religious Rebirth (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html?hp)

He [Glenn Beck] told the crowd that he had begun planning his march on Washington a year ago, thinking “it was supposed to be political.”

“And then I kind of feel like God dropped a giant sandbag on my head,” he said.

“My role, as I see it, is to wake America up to the backsliding of principles and values and most of all of God,” he said. “We are a country of God. As I look at the problems in our country, quite honestly, I think the hot breath of destruction is breathing on our necks and to fix it politically is a figure that I don’t see anywhere.”

August 28th, 2010, 04:54 PM
If the attendees were asked where their primary affiliation was, with the choice between God and the USA (having to choose one), and they answered "God" would that make them suspect (as has been suggested in another thread)?

August 28th, 2010, 04:59 PM
To me it would make them sound utterly ridiculous. As well as suspect.

How about you?

August 28th, 2010, 05:32 PM
As an agnostic I'd find it curious.

August 28th, 2010, 06:10 PM
Curious...very curious. Pipe and a monocle curious.

August 28th, 2010, 06:38 PM
If the attendees were asked where their primary affiliation was, with the choice between God and the USA (having to choose one), and they answered "God" would that make them suspect (as has been suggested in another thread)?
Well, the God in question appears to bear us no malice. He's the one we mean when we say "In God We Trust."

Mainstream American, right? What reason would we have to fear Him?

August 28th, 2010, 06:58 PM
Many fundamentalists would tell you that He'll give you lots to Fear if you don't stay in line and do as (they think) you're required to do.

And then there are those following his Word who get too big for their britches -- damned scary.

August 28th, 2010, 07:12 PM

... the God in question ...

Isn't it just One God up - out - around - in there?

He's the one we mean when we say "In God We Trust."

But "we" have only been officially (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#Adoption_as_national_motto) saying that since 1956.

And according to the Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#Controversy) it's not a religious thing :cool: :

LYNCH V. DONNELLY, 465 U. S. 668 (1984) (http://supreme.justia.com/us/465/668/case.html)

... such practices as the designation of "In God We Trust" as our national motto, or the references to God contained in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag can best be understood, in Dean Rostow's apt phrase, as a form a "ceremonial deism," [Footnote 2/24] protected from Establishment Clause scrutiny chiefly because they have lost through rote repetition any significant religious content. See Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. at 463 U. S. 818 (BRENNAN, J., dissenting).

August 29th, 2010, 12:14 AM
The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?ref=opinion)
August 29, 2010

ANOTHER weekend, another grass-roots demonstration starring Real Americans who are mad as hell and want to take back their country from you-know-who. Last Sunday the site was Lower Manhattan, where they jeered (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/nyregion/23protest.html) the “ground zero mosque.” This weekend, the scene shifted to Washington (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/08/say_it_aint_so_5.php), where the avatars of oppressed white Tea Party America, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, were slated to “reclaim the civil rights movement” (Beck’s words) on the same spot where the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. had his dream exactly 47 years earlier.

Vive la révolution!

There’s just one element missing from these snapshots of America’s ostensibly spontaneous and leaderless populist uprising: the sugar daddies who are bankrolling it, and have been doing so since well before the “death panel” warm-up acts of last summer. Three heavy hitters rule. You’ve heard of one of them, Rupert Murdoch. The other two, the brothers David and Charles Koch, are even richer, with a combined wealth exceeded only by that of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett among Americans. But even those carrying the Kochs’ banner may not know who these brothers are.

Their self-interested and at times radical agendas, like Murdoch’s, go well beyond, and sometimes counter to, the interests of those who serve as spear carriers in the political pageants hawked on Fox News. The country will be in for quite a ride should these potentates gain power, and given the recession-battered electorate’s unchecked anger and the Obama White House’s unfocused political strategy, they might.

All three tycoons are the latest incarnation of what the historian Kim Phillips-Fein labeled “Invisible Hands” in her prescient 2009 book of that title: those corporate players who have financed the far right ever since the du Pont brothers spawned the American Liberty League in 1934 to bring down F.D.R. You can draw a straight line from the Liberty League’s crusade against the New Deal “socialism” of Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission and child labor laws to the John Birch Society-Barry Goldwater assault on J.F.K. and Medicare to the Koch-Murdoch-backed juggernaut against our “socialist” president.

Only the fat cats change — not their methods and not their pet bugaboos (taxes, corporate regulation, organized labor, and government “handouts” to the poor, unemployed, ill and elderly). Even the sources of their fortunes remain fairly constant. Koch Industries began (http://www.kochind.com/about/history.aspx) with oil in the 1930s and now also spews an array of industrial products, from Dixie cups to Lycra, not unlike DuPont’s portfolio of paint and plastics. Sometimes the biological DNA persists as well. The Koch brothers’ father, Fred, was among the select group chosen to serve on the Birch Society’s top governing body (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F7061FFB3C5D13738DDDA80894DC405B 818AF1D3). In a recorded 1963 speech that survives in a University of Michigan archive, he can be heard warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us.” That rant could be delivered as is at any Tea Party rally today.

Last week the Kochs were shoved unwillingly into the spotlight by the most comprehensive journalistic portrait of them yet, written by Jane Mayer of The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer) [and NOTED in this POST (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23759&p=335984&viewfull=1#post335984)]. Her article caused a stir among those in Manhattan’s liberal elite who didn’t know that David Koch, widely celebrated for his cultural philanthropy, is not merely another rich conservative Republican but the founder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which, as Mayer writes with some understatement, “has worked closely with the Tea Party since the movement’s inception.” To New Yorkers who associate the David H. Koch Theater at Lincoln Center with the New York City Ballet, it’s startling to learn that the Texas branch of that foundation’s political arm, known simply as Americans for Prosperity, gave its Blogger of the Year Award to an activist who had called President Obama “cokehead in chief.”

The other major sponsor of the Tea Party movement is Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks, which, like Americans for Prosperity, is promoting events in Washington this weekend. Under its original name, Citizens for a Sound Economy, FreedomWorks received $12 million of its own from Koch family foundations (http://mediamattersaction.org/transparency/organization/FreedomWorks/funders). Using tax records, Mayer found that Koch-controlled foundations gave out $196 million from 1998 to 2008, much of it to conservative causes and institutions. That figure doesn’t include $50 million in Koch Industries lobbying and $4.8 million in campaign contributions by its political action committee (http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industry.php?txt=E01&cycle=2010), putting it first among energy company peers like Exxon Mobil and Chevron. Since tax law permits anonymous personal donations to nonprofit political groups, these figures may understate the case. The Kochs surely match the in-kind donations the Tea Party receives in free promotion 24/7 from Murdoch’s Fox News, where both Beck and Palin are on the payroll.

The New Yorker article stirred up the right, too (http://www.kochind.com/kochfacts/default.aspx). Some of Mayer’s blogging detractors unwittingly upheld the premise of her article (titled “Covert Operations”) by conceding that they have been Koch grantees (http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/25/the-official-koch-industries-r). None of them found any factual errors in her 10,000 words. Many of them tried to change the subject to George Soros, the billionaire backer of liberal causes. But Soros is a publicity hound who is transparent about where he shovels his money. And like many liberals — selflessly or foolishly, depending on your point of view — he supports causes that are unrelated to his business interests and that, if anything, raise his taxes.

This is hardly true of the Kochs. When David Koch ran to the right of Reagan as vice president on the 1980 Libertarian ticket (it polled 1 percent), his campaign called for the abolition not just of Social Security, federal regulatory agencies and welfare but also of the F.B.I., the C.I.A., and public schools (http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/16/arts/man-without-a-candidate.html) — in other words, any government enterprise that would either inhibit his business profits or increase his taxes. He hasn’t changed. As Mayer details, Koch-supported lobbyists, foundations and political operatives are at the center of climate-science denial — a cause that forestalls threats to Koch Industries’ vast fossil fuel business. While Koch foundations donate to cancer hospitals like Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York, Koch Industries has been lobbying to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from classifying another product important to its bottom line, formaldehyde, as a “known carcinogen” in humans (which it is).

Tea Partiers may share the Kochs’ detestation of taxes, big government and Obama. But there’s a difference between mainstream conservatism and a fringe agenda that tilts completely toward big business, whether on Wall Street or in the Gulf of Mexico, while dismantling fundamental government safety nets designed to protect the unemployed, public health, workplace safety and the subsistence of the elderly.

Yet inexorably the Koch agenda is morphing into the G.O.P. agenda, as articulated by current Republican members of Congress, including the putative next speaker of the House, John Boehner (http://gopleader.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=203966), and Tea Party Senate candidates like Rand Paul, Sharron Angle, and the new kid on the block, Alaska’s anti-Medicaid, anti-unemployment insurance Palin protégé, Joe Miller (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/meet-joe-miller-tea-party-fave-with-extreme-abortion-views.php). Their program opposes a federal deficit, but has no objection to running up trillions in red ink in tax cuts to corporations and the superrich; apologizes to corporate malefactors like BP and derides money put in escrow for oil spill victims as a “slush fund (http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/107711-angle-reids-foe-calls-bp-claims-account-a-slush-fund)”; opposes the extension of unemployment benefits; and calls for a freeze on federal regulations in an era when abuses in the oil, financial, mining, pharmaceutical and even egg industries (among others) have been outrageous.

The Koch brothers must be laughing all the way to the bank knowing that working Americans are aiding and abetting their selfish interests. And surely Murdoch is snickering at those protesting the “ground zero mosque.” Last week on “Fox and Friends,” the Bush administration flacks Dan Senor and Dana Perino attacked a supposedly terrorism-tainted Saudi prince (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/saudi-royal-backs-imam-and-fox-news/) whose foundation might contribute to the Islamic center. But as “The Daily Show” keeps pointing out (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap), these Fox bloviators never acknowledge that the evil prince they’re bashing, Walid bin Talal, is not only the biggest non-Murdoch shareholder in Fox News’s parent company (he owns 7 percent of News Corporation (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100820/bs_yblog_upshot/news-corps-number-two-shareholder-funded-terror-mosque-planner)) and the recipient of Murdoch mammoth investments in Saudi Arabia but also the subject of lionization elsewhere on Fox.

No less a Murdoch factotum than Neil Cavuto slobbered over bin Talal in a Fox Business Channel interview as recently as January, with nary a question about his supposed terrorist ties. Instead, bin Talal praised Obama’s stance on terrorism and even endorsed the Democrats’ goal of universal health insurance. Do any of the Fox-watching protestors at the “ground zero mosque” know that Fox’s profits are flowing to a Obama-sympathizing Saudi billionaire in bed with Murdoch? As Jon Stewart summed it up, the protestors who want “to cut off funding to the ‘terror mosque’ ” are aiding that funding by watching Fox and enhancing bin Talal’s News Corp. holdings.

When wolves of Murdoch’s ingenuity and the Kochs’ stealth have been at the door of our democracy in the past, Democrats have fought back fiercely. Franklin Roosevelt’s triumphant 1936 re-election campaign pummeled the Liberty League as a Republican ally eager to “squeeze the worker dry in his old age and cast him like an orange rind into the refuse pail.” When John Kennedy’s patriotism was assailed by Birchers calling for impeachment, he gave a major speech (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_conspir.html) denouncing their “crusades of suspicion.”

And Obama? So far, sadly, this question answers itself.

Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company

August 29th, 2010, 09:37 AM
What I did like about the rally: the anti-republican, anti-democrat, pro non-incumbant position regarding government & politics.

The religious aspect is something I do not strictly observe: but do not fear, or need to disparage those who are devout.

So all-in-all I got a generally positive impression from that rally.

Why with modern technology (like google maps/satalite images, ect.) we can only come up with a crowd estimate as being 'somewhere' between 10,000 and 500,000 is what I want to know.

Go figure, literally.

August 29th, 2010, 11:42 AM
The Koch brothers are depending on folks like you!

August 29th, 2010, 01:29 PM
God as Politician in Chief ...

“And then I kind of feel like God dropped a giant sandbag on my head,” he said.

I wish.

August 29th, 2010, 01:56 PM
I can understand disappointment with Obama... but imagine if the right had won.

About the next Presidential elections: are we seeing a taste of what's to come... or is it "this too shall pass"?

August 29th, 2010, 02:34 PM

But "we" have only been officially (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#Adoption_as_national_motto) saying that since 1956.
Actually, 1864. You can find the reference yourself.

(Hint: the two-cent coin.)

August 29th, 2010, 07:06 PM
Here's what I like about this rally; absolutely nothing.

Actually, 1864. You can find the reference yourself.

(Hint: the two-cent coin.)

That doesn't make what he said incorrect. "In God We Trust" became the official motto in 1956, by act of Congress.

August 29th, 2010, 09:01 PM
And that was just a couple of years after "Under God" was officially inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22unde r_God.22). We survived 175 years without it, but dontcha know: times change and power shifts. Like SCOTUS has declared, it's not a religious phrase. Not one little bit.

August 29th, 2010, 09:08 PM
With or without "under God", the idea of a pledge of allegiance rubs me the wrong way...

August 30th, 2010, 12:17 AM
American citizens aren't required to say it. Anywhere. Anytime.

August 30th, 2010, 12:32 AM
It carries no legal weight.

Often confused with the Oath of Allegiance (new citizens) and the Oath of Enlistment (military). Both refer to the Constitution, and reference to God may be omitted.

August 30th, 2010, 05:32 PM
1/10th of one percent of the US population stands their collective ground ...

White Fright

Glenn Beck's rally was large, vague, moist, and undirected —
the Waterworld of white self-pity.

SLATE (http://www.slate.com/id/2265515/)
By Christopher Hitchens
Monday, Aug. 30, 2010

One crucial element of the American subconscious is about to become salient and explicit and highly volatile. It is the realization that white America is within thinkable distance of a moment when it will no longer be the majority. This awareness already exists in places like New York and Texas and California, and there have even been projections of the time(s) at which it will occur and when different nonwhite populations will collectively outnumber the former white majority. But it also exerts a strong subliminal effect in states like Alaska that have an overwhelming white preponderance.

Until recently, the tendency has been to think of this rather than to speak of it—or to speak of it very delicately, lest the hard-won ideal of diversity be imperiled. But nobody with any feeling for the zeitgeist can avoid noticing the symptoms of white unease and the additionally uneasy forms that its expression is beginning to take.

For example, so strong is the moral stature of the Rev. Dr Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement that even the white right prefers to pretend to emulate it. (This smarmy tactic long predates Glenn Beck, by the way: I remember Ralph Reed trying it when he ran the Christian Coalition more than 10 years ago and announced that he wanted to remodel the organization along the lines (http://hnn.us/articles/5398.html) of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.) Thus, it is really quite rare to hear slurs against President Barack Obama that are based purely on the color of his skin. Even Beck himself has tried to back away from the smears of that kind that he has spread in the past. But it is increasingly common to hear allegations (http://www.slate.com/id/2264779/) that Obama is either foreign-born or a Muslim. And these insinuations are perfectly emblematic of the two main fears of the old majority: that it will be submerged by an influx from beyond the borders and that it will be challenged in its traditional ways and faiths by an alien and largely Third World religion.

This summer, then, has been the perfect register of the new anxiety, beginning with the fracas over Arizona's immigration law, gaining in intensity with the proposal by some Republicans to amend the 14th Amendment so as to de-naturalize "anchor babies," cresting with the continuing row over the so-called "Ground Zero" mosque, and culminating, at least symbolically, with a quasi-educated Mormon broadcaster calling for a Christian religious revival from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial (http://www.slate.com/id/2265216/).

At the last "Tea Party" rally I attended, earlier this year at the Washington Monument, some in the crowd made at least an attempt to look fierce and minatory. I stood behind signs that read: "We left our guns at home—this time" and "We invoke the First Amendment today—the Second Amendment tomorrow." But Beck's event was tepid by comparison: a call to sink to the knees rather than rise from them. It was clever of him not to overbill it as a "Million"-type march (though Rep. Michele Bachmann was tempted to claim that magic figure (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/bachmann-holds-a-rally-of-her.html)). The numbers were impressive enough on their own, but the overall effect was large, vague, moist, and undirected: the Waterworld of white self-pity (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F12IZS?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001F12IZS).

The Washington Post quoted (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/28/AR2010082801106_pf.html) Linda Adams, a Beck supporter from Colorado, who said, "We want our country to get back to its original roots," adding that "her ancestors were on the Mayflower and fought in the American Revolution." She was also upset that some schools no longer require students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Well, the U.S. population is simply not going to be replenished by Puritan pilgrims from England, and the original Pledge of Allegiance was fine with most people as a statement of national unity, until its "original intent" was compromised by a late insertion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22unde r_God.22) of the words "under God" in the McCarthyite 1950s. But one still sees what she means and can feel sympathy with the pulse of nostalgia.

Slate VIDEO (http://www.slate.com/id/2265515/): Coverage of Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

In a rather curious and confused way, some white people are starting almost to think like a minority, even like a persecuted one. What does it take to believe that Christianity is an endangered religion in America or that the name of Jesus is insufficiently spoken or appreciated? Who wakes up believing that there is no appreciation for our veterans and our armed forces and that without a noisy speech from Sarah Palin, their sacrifice would be scorned? It's not unfair to say that such grievances are purely and simply imaginary, which in turn leads one to ask what the real ones can be. The clue, surely, is furnished by the remainder of the speeches, which deny racial feeling so monotonously and vehemently as to draw attention.

Concerns of this kind are not confined to the Tea Party belt. Late professors Arthur Schlesinger and Samuel Huntington both published books expressing misgivings about, respectively, multiculturalism (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393318540?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0393318540) and rapid demographic change (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684870541?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0684870541). But these were phrased so carefully as almost to avoid starting the argument they flirted with. More recently, almost every European country has seen the emergence of populist parties that call upon nativism and give vent to the idea that the majority population now feels itself unwelcome in its own country. The ugliness of Islamic fundamentalism in particular has given energy and direction to such movements. It will be astonishing if the United States is not faced, in the very near future, with a similar phenomenon.

Quite a lot will depend on what kind of politicians emerge to put themselves at the head of it. Saturday's rally was quite largely confined to expressions of pathos and insecurity, voiced in a sickly and pious tone. The emotions that underlay it, however, may not be uttered that way indefinitely.

© Copyright 2010 Washington Post.Newsweek Interactive Co. LLC

August 31st, 2010, 01:30 PM
Mr. Beck today has launched a new website (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=glenn+beck+goldline+scam&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8), purporting to be a source for real news >hack hack< but seemingly simply a tool to advertise for his GOLDLINE Scam (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007200002).

This dude is beyond being a cynical manipulator in teary-eyed sheep's clothing. Now he's more like an upfront thief (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/19/anthony-weiner-glenn-beck_n_581563.html).

August 31st, 2010, 02:01 PM
American citizens aren't required to say it. Anywhere. Anytime.

They are, in some areas, "required" to say it on pain of, well, pain.

Kids only follow what their parents and teachers tell them, for the most part. If one kid refuses "under God" he will get major lumps from, sadly, both peers and Instructors..... :(

August 31st, 2010, 03:31 PM
The whole premise of the march, i.e. Restoring Honor is troublesome to me. As if to suggest that we somehow lost our honor since Bush left office. The Fox News crowd just cannot get over the fact that Obama won the presidency. IMO there are very subtle racial undertones to all of this, notwithstanding the attempts to preempt the criticism by associating the raly with MLK.

August 31st, 2010, 03:45 PM

Ooo... I can still remember being in Kindergarten and being that I'm naturally left-handed, I would put my left hand over my heart, and boy was I scolded! Who knew that left-handed 5 year-olds, were so anti-American. :cool:

August 31st, 2010, 08:41 PM
... the attempts to preempt the criticism by associating the raly with MLK.

And then, at the rally, basically claiming that all involved with the civil rights movement since MLK are corrupt and have done only bad ... and that Mr. Beck will lead the downtrodden back to the original civil rights as outlined in the Constitution by the Founding Fathers.

Women should get to the back of the bus, I guess. Or at least study up on irony.

August 31st, 2010, 10:44 PM
This was undeniably a history making event, this guy is addressing something that resonates with 'many' American citizens; except for the part where Beck is pegged a an arch political partisan in the last chapter, this WSJ article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703618504575459612802925600.html) is pretty much how 'I see it' - he get's my vote. Too bad he is not going to run; unlike Bush and OBama, at least he 'admits' to being a clown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIyyrBqk4k).


Beck ' I am a clown ' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIyyrBqk4k

August 31st, 2010, 11:59 PM
Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" Rally - Interviews With Participants


September 1st, 2010, 12:30 AM
http://www.octobertoys.com/forum/posting.php?mode=reply&f=30&t=5928#http://www.octobertoys.com/forum/posting.php?mode=reply&f=30&t=5928#10651 i can't watch anymore of this nonsense.

September 1st, 2010, 12:47 AM
These people scare the crap out of me. They are so limited in their scope of thinking it's startling! No wonder the rest of the wolrd hates us! As Chris Rock said "I'm not afraid of Al-Queda; I'm afraid of Al-Cracker!!" DWP=Dumb White People!!!

September 1st, 2010, 01:38 AM
This was undeniably a history making event, this guy is addressing something that resonates with 'many' American citizens; except for the part where Beck is pegged a an arch political partisan in the last chapter, this WSJ article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703618504575459612802925600.html) is pretty much how 'I see it' - he get's my vote. Too bad he is not going to run; unlike Bush and OBama, at least he 'admits' to being a clown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIyyrBqk4k).


Beck ' I am a clown ' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIyyrBqk4k

You're being serious, you'd actually vote for Glenn Beck as a leader of this country?


September 1st, 2010, 10:35 AM
A sucker born every minute:

Glenn, the Great Emancipator of the Masses, talks about his bullet proof vest ....


September 2nd, 2010, 06:59 AM
A confederacy of dunces.

September 2nd, 2010, 09:28 AM
Think I spotted Darlene in a lawn chair.

September 2nd, 2010, 11:18 AM
All I see in these videos are a bunch of scared, misinformed (mostly fat) angry white people. These baggers have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on in the world, and the Republican party love it!

September 2nd, 2010, 11:41 AM

What do you have against fat middle aged white people (OOPS too much information!!)

September 4th, 2010, 12:35 AM
The Guys Behind Christwire, Creating Parody From ‘Glenn Beck on Steroids’

In the world of Christwire (http://christwire.org/), the Glenn Beck rally made Martin Luther King Jr. proud, Hurricane Earl is headed toward the Gay East Coast to reap God's vengeance, and the recent increase in pet-on-pet rape is a pernicious consequences of same-sex marriage.

This is, of course, satire: Completely over-the-top, but mimicking some extreme religious-right talking points so well that several mainstream news sites have been hoaxed. In a competitive and superheated news climate, a religious site calling for a boycott of Bill Murray, "murderer of lambs," was, for NBC Los Angeles, too good to not be true. The advice column "Is My Husband Gay?" (Does he "travel frequently to big cities or Asia"?) was, as the Atlantic Wire's John Hudson discovered, taken at face value by the Huffington Post.

Christwire owners Bryan Butvidas and Kirwin Watson, after fielding press queries and book offers for months, have finally decided to go public. In an interview with New York, Butvidas said the site's basic concept is to "see what Glenn Beck is talking about and then make it ten times worse."

"We're not trying to promote hate, we want to show how fake the world really is," he said. "We write to see how far we can get people to believe our nonsense. People believe anything they read on the Internet." Do readers get the joke? Just like with the media, not always. Butyidas, who usually pens columns under the name Tyson Bowers III, said some of the people who leave vituperative comments don't get the irony.

Butvidas, a software designer who lives in Southern California, and Watson, who is a health service worker in Kansas, have never met in person. They became friends through the humor site Shoutwire (http://shoutwire.com/).

"Christwire thinks anyone who isn't a hardcore Christian conservative is a communist or secretly gay, or working for the Chinese or the Russians," Butvidas said. "When we started, we didn't realize that there are zealots and political sites out there who really do believe that."

Will the hoaxes be harder to come by now that the site is receiving more public attention? Not necessarily, said Watson.

"People have these preconceived notions about how certain people are supposed to act, so if a conservative Christian has a website, there are certain things you expect to see," he said. "No matter how many times you say it's satire, people will still buy it."

The site produces a tiny amount of revenue through online ads, which goes toward hosting costs. Vitriolic anti-gay stories on Christwire often carry ads for gay dating sites and Fire Island vacation rentals, thanks to Google's irony-free algorithms.

The most prolific of the Christwire authors, "Stephenson Billings," author of the site's biggest hits like "Is My Husband Gay?" and "The Golden Girls: How One TV Show Turned A Generation Of American Boys Into Homosexuals (http://christwire.org/2009/10/the-golden-girls-how-one-tv-show-turned-a-generation-of-american-boys-into-homosexuals/)," remains stubbornly anonymous. According to a pseudonymous Facebook profile (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001366922231):
Mr. Stephenson Billings is a widely respected and Christian Investigative Journalist. The focus of his journalism is American society and culture inspired by his profound love of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.. A former high school football athlete, Mr. Billings also enjoys being an eBay Powerseller and a Motivational Children’s Party Entertainer (working in the Auguste method) in his hometown in Tennessee. His hobbies include antique soda bottle collecting and the piano.
Butvidas said that Billings began submitting articles via e-mail and has resisted all attempts to get him to come forward, even with potential book-deal cash as an incentive.

"We have no idea who the hell he is, or if it's even a he," Butvidas said. "We're a satire site and we punk people, and here's a guy who's probably punking us."

Contributor Marie Jon (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/jon), on the other hand, is a very real person. She is a "political/religious-based writer" for RenewAmerica.com who has published numerous items (http://christwire.org/author/marie_jon/) on Christwire like "Obama the Marxist." According to Butvidas, Jon sent her columns to Christwire unsolicited; she did not reply to a request for comment. She told the New York Times, which ran its own interview (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/us/04beliefs.html?_r=3&hp) with the Christwire founders earlier on Friday: "I might have mistakenly contributed in the past, because I didn’t know the site, and then shrugged my shoulders because I didn’t know how popular they were."

We should note, fondly, that the anonymous Billings is a devoted reader of New York Magazine and this website's Sex Diaries (http://nymag.com/tags/sex%20diaries). Or, in his words, the magazine "has thrown itself down willfully, dejected and impotent, on Gotham’s fluffy-pillowed bed of traded-fluids, begging for some hard lash of attention, blind to who is giving it as long as it penetrates their page-view projections." In "A Disturbing Look Inside the Mind of a Sex-Addicted Homosexual Hipster (http://christwire.org/2010/08/a-disturbing-look-inside-the-mind-of-a-sex-addicted-homosexual-hipster/)," Billings continues:
The magazine shows no shame at suckling at the teat of the worst of mediocre Bushwick-basement manufactured micro-trends. Their coverage is so unprofessionally and flamboyantly biased it truly begs the question if this rag should arrive in one’s mailbox in a brown paper bag with parental advisories stickered all over. Or better yet, serve it up over a bartop with a complimentary junior-sized condom and a Farsi-English dictionary.
Stephenson, we're big fans of yours, too. Give us a call sometime.


September 4th, 2010, 06:51 AM

If you clicked on the Christwire link right away, it may have taken you a while to realize it's satire. I browsed down through the topics until I got to "Read more posts from Science."

Oh, I get it.

September 7th, 2010, 09:03 AM
I need to drop them a line.

Maybe they could use some more hard-hitting moralistically aligned "logical" writers bent on Truthiness(r). ;)