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londonlawyer
October 8th, 2010, 11:50 PM
The "Dueling Banjos" melody was in my mind when I read this! I am embarrassed to live in the US.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/5c1b6a72-c5eb-11df-b53e-00144feab49a.html

Kennesaw, where everyone is armed by law
By Anna Fifield, Photographs by Bryan Meltz

Published: September 24 2010 23:11 | Last updated: September 25 2010 09:32

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Kennesaw, Georgia, is Everytown, USA: a mixture of old wooden bungalows and cookie-cutter subdivisions, of seventh-*generation locals and Mexican immigrants. Its quaint, *cobbled historic centre is lush, with low-hanging trees and chirping cicadas. The civil war museum tells the history of the local Confederate fight against the Yankees. At the suburban malls on a humid Saturday afternoon locals vie to park their SUVs as close as possible to the Target and Best Buy outlets, and queue for tables at Chuck E. Cheese’s and Applebee’s.

But this city, half an hour’s drive north of Atlanta, is unique: it is the only place in America where it is compulsory to own a gun. In 1982, Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed an ordinance requiring households to own at least one firearm with ammunition. The law states that its purpose is to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants”. Kennesaw’s ordinance was a heartfelt assertion of second amendment gun rights, a principled and legislative rebuttal to a law passed earlier that year in Morton Grove, *Illinois, banning guns within the city limits.

“It was official, but we were protesting as much as anything,” recalls Fred Bentley, a lawyer, who was already 56 when he wrote the ordinance. Looking every part the southern charmer in a grey suit and spotless white shirt topped with a gingham bow tie, Bentley keeps a loaded .38 revolver by his bed and two double-barrel shotguns from his hunting days. Otherwise his guns are decorative – a Brown Bess *revolutionary-era musket stands by the door of his office.

Kennesaw residents were outraged not only by Morton Grove’s assault on the second amendment of the Constitution – which gives all Americans the right to bear arms – but also by “the slobbering way that the press portrayed the law as taking a stand against ‘evil’ handguns,” says Robert Jones, the president of the Kennesaw Historical Society and the owner of a .357 Magnum handgun. The American Civil Liberties Union challenged Kennesaw’s law as unconstitutional, but the federal court let it stand, although the city did add a clause exempting conscientious objectors, criminals, the mentally disabled and people who could not afford a gun.

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In search of China’s top entrepreneurs - Sep-24.Vogue’s earliest celebrity models - Sep-24..Jones says: “In 1982 this was a rural community of about 5,000 people. The whole town was very conservative and about 95 per cent of people owned guns anyway, so it was a very symbolic law.” Indeed, the law contains no penalty for violation and no one has ever been prosecuted for not owning a gun. Local police estimate that only 50 per cent of households have a gun.

But almost 30 years after the law was passed, it is still in place and still popular, not least because Kennesaw’s crime rate has remained disproportionately low, even as the town’s population swelled from 5,000 in 1982 to almost 35,000 now. According to the latest FBI statistics, Kennesaw recorded 31 violent crimes – mainly robberies and aggravated assaults – during 2008. In other similar-sized local towns the figures were much higher – 127 in Dalton and 188 in Hinesville. For property crimes – largely burglaries and thefts – Kennesaw recorded 555 while Dalton had 1,124 and Hinesville 1,802.


Samantha Ellis, 26, a Kennesaw resident, with her lightweight Kimber Ultra Carry .45

“Firearms are involved in less than 2 per cent of the crime around here,” confirms Craig Graydon, a police lieutenant who has served in Kennesaw for 24 years. “If nothing else, [the firearms law] draws a lot of attention to the importance of crime prevention.” Though it will give liberals heartburn, Kennesaw’s gun policy works.

. . .

Every morning, 79-year-old Dent “Wildman” Myers, whose bushy beard tapers into a long grey dreadlock reaching below his navel, belts two loaded .45 semi-automatic pistols and four magazines of extra ammunition around his waist and heads to work. Myers, one of the strongest *proponents of the gun law, owns Wildman’s Civil War Surplus, a Confederate-themed memorabilia shop that touts itself as “The Best Little War House in Kennesaw”. The stock includes books of “redneck poetry” and spent shells from the civil war, Third Reich-inspired rock CDs and bumper stickers reading “The United States is an Obamanation to the world”.

During the civil war, Kennesaw was one of the bloodiest battlegrounds in the south and HQ of the Georgia Volunteer Infantry Regiment. The influence shows. “If them Yankees up north say you can’t have a gun,” says Myers in an exaggerated southern drawl, toothpick dangling from his mouth, “we southerners are going to say you gotta have one.” The slogan on his T-shirt declares: “It’s the law in Kennesaw.”

While Myers might be on the fringe, it’s difficult to find anyone in Kennesaw who strongly disagrees with the gun ownership law. Residents recall a TV repair shop owner who years ago tried to have the law overturned, but no one can remember his name or when he left town. There are, however, plenty of gun agnostics who choose not to own a gun.

“It’s not enforced, it’s strictly psychological,” says John Grimm, 78, who works part-time in the gift shop of Kennesaw’s museum. The shop sells magnets, patches and coffee mugs sporting the Confederate flag alongside Confederate soldier caps for children and replica Confederate pistols ($89) and rifles ($189). While not complying with the law, agnostics benefit from its presence and are happy for it to stay. Grimm, who doesn’t have a gun, tells me: “If someone is going to rob you, they don’t know if you have got a gun or not, so they’re going to go somewhere else.”


A T-shirt on display at Myers’s shop

The law may be anachronistic but, whether in Kennesaw or the wider area, guns are a touchstone issue. This is not just about gun rights, but about independence; it is about a desire to keep the government in check.

. . .

Nick DeMarco wasn’t even born when the law was introduced. But a love of guns is in his blood. “I grew up around guns, and I already have a .22 ready for my 10-week-old son,” says DeMarco, a 24-year-old with a round face and goatee beard, who describes gun ownership as “a ton of fun”.

As we talk, he pulls out his mobile phone to show me *photos of his baby. “I’ll probably get him into BB guns [steel-pellet air guns] at three or four – I’ll get him a Red Ryder BB gun, that’s what I grew up with – and I’ll start taking him hunting with me too.” While many of his friends share his love of shooting, not everyone his age does. “A lot of kids are not getting into guns because they’re not being brought up that way. Some might believe in their right to bear arms and think that the government has too much control, but they might not exercise that right,” he says.


Young Marine Zachary Wessinger, 10, with his .22 rifle

DeMarco believes that the world beyond Kennesaw is a violent place and that gun ownership offers a solution. “In Alpharetta, [a nearby town] it’s ridiculous,” he says. “I saw these kids jumping on the top of this nice Audi. You can’t shoot them, of course, but you sure could scare them. The way the world is going, with all the violence and crime, if you don’t carry a gun, you’re more susceptible to being a victim.”

Eavesdropping on our conversation in the sports shop where DeMarco works is Alex Payne, a 38-year-old machinist who lives just outside Kennesaw. He has a cherubic face and long wavy hair, but he turns out to be anything but a hippy. He shows me the belt holding up his camouflage shorts – its brass buckle reads “Amendment II: The right to bear arms” – and proceeds to hold forth on why gun rights are so *important to him.

“To me, owning a gun means you’re not just being an American, but that you’re upholding the Constitution. So when that right is being infringed, when someone tries to take it away, it’s like they are trying to take away your freedom of speech. Imagine if someone told you right now that you couldn’t take notes,” he said, pointing at my notebook.

Payne has just introduced his daughter to BB guns, he says, putting his arm around a blonde 10-year-old in a pink T-shirt. “It’s really fun,” she says. “She started this year and I hope to have him start soon too,” says Payne, pointing to his eight-year-old son.

When I ask how many guns he owns, he responds sharply: “That’s none of your business.” This secrecy is common in the town, and is part of a general wariness towards government. Payne says: “Our Founding Fathers thought it was important enough to make this the second amendment so that we could protect ourselves from invaders in our country. And they knew that citizens needed to be protected from being taken over by the government.”

These words, puzzling to outsiders, reflect deep-seated beliefs, stretching back to the American Revolution and reinforced (especially in the southern US) during the civil war. As Robert Jones says: “People in the US are much more in touch with their Founding Fathers in a way that is not true in England. How many English people sit around reminiscing about Oliver Cromwell or praising the Magna Carta? In Red America, people sit around talking about the Founding Fathers. They look at Billy the Kid and Wyatt Earp, and say ‘Don’t tread on me.’”

Such sentiments have been charismatically personified over the past two years by Sarah Palin, darling of the conservative right and a possible candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. Palin, a self-proclaimed “mama grizzlie” who shoots moose and caribou for sport, has fiercely defended second amendment rights and fuelled the fear, bordering on hysteria, that they will be taken away.


A customer holds a semi-automatic rifle at a gun show outside Kennesaw, Georgia

During a speech to the National Rifle Association (NRA) in May, Palin said the only thing stopping President Obama from scrapping the Constitution’s right to bear arms was fear of a public backlash. “Don’t doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the second amendment,” she said, urging the 9,000 NRA members at the conference to “stop them in their tracks”. In her fight against Democrats and big government, she has even adopted a gun-themed slogan: “Don’t retreat. Reload!”

For many here, Palin embodies the spirit of independence and self-reliance they admire so much. She even hails from the frontier state of Alaska. Her words certainly strike a chord with Johnny Wilson, who doesn’t let the fact that he is legally blind stop him from shooting as a hobby. “I buy guns like other people buy golf clubs,” chuckles 58-year-old Wilson, who owns more than half-a-dozen handguns, including two Colts, a Glock 17 and a Smith & Wesson PPK/S.

“Sarah Palin is certainly someone who can bring the community together,” he says, buying ammunition with his son, Gedde, at Nick’s Guns and Range in a mall in Kennesaw. “Those liberals just scare me to death. Not to be redneck about it or anything, but those tree-huggers don’t see anything good in the outdoors, all they see is the killing and the guns.” Wilson has been stocking up on weapons and ammo out of fear that Democrats will retain control of the House and Senate after the November mid-term elections.

“Let’s just hope that in November the Republicans take back Congress because if those other guys get in for two more years, we’re in trouble,” he says. Although he admits the Obama administration has not signalled that it plans to tinker with gun rights – in fact, the president has barely even mentioned the hot-potato issue – Wilson believes in a secret plot to scrap the second amendment. “We just don’t know what those politicians are up to.”

. . .


Erik Fredricks of Nick’s Guns, with a Smith & Wesson

Nick’s Guns – with more than 300 weapons in stock, from tiny pink pistols to huge black assault rifles – has been doing brisk trade since Obama was elected. The store manager is Erik Fredricks, a skinny 37-year-old who wears a Smith & Wesson .357 revolver on his hip. “We were doing about three or three-and-a-half times our normal business from the day after the election right through to mid-April. It was *absolute insanity. The shelves were going bare because the manufacturers couldn’t keep up with demand.

“A lot of it was a knee-jerk reaction because of the assault weapon ban in the early 1990s after President Clinton came in. A lot of people thought something like that was going to happen again,” he explains. “But over the past few years in general, there has been a huge influx of all sorts of shooters and a lot more people getting concealed carry permits and coming in for handguns.”

Fredricks has been at the shop for four years and tells me that during that time no one has bought a gun specifically to comply with the Kennesaw law. They just like to buy guns.

So what sort of handgun would he recommend for me, for self-defence? He gives me a very light $319 black Kel-Tec semi-automatic pistol, which fits into my hand. “But I tend to start women on a larger gun because it doesn’t recoil so much and is easy to handle,” he says, handing me a $700 Smith & Wesson revolver. It is much heavier and feels sturdier.

Perhaps sensing the liberal shiver going down my spine, he offers to give me a test drive. But the trainer is out and the firing range at the back of the shop is busy. I spot groups of women in purple earmuffs, and fathers and sons lining up in the 10 alleys to shoot bullets into posters of deranged zombies called Bob and Steve. I am relieved: while I am game to try shooting, I am afraid I might enjoy it.

“Guns are a huge part of American culture,” says Fredricks. “When America was a frontier country, you needed your gun to put food on the table. Whenever you hear Americans talking about guns, they talk about independence and self-*reliance. The second amendment is somewhat unique because it places the ultimate option for use of force in the hands of the citizen and not on the state.”


Danyell Teets at the range

Danyell Teets is not as ideological as her boss; she just likes to shoot for fun. In the shooting range at the back of Nick’s Guns, where the air is thick with gunpowder and concentration, Teets lines up her 9mm Sig P225 pistol and shoots into the target. Bang, bang, bang, all into the couple of circles closest to the bull’s eye. In tight jeans, her hair pulled back in a ponytail, Teets, 23, graduated as an elementary school teacher in December and has been working at Nick’s Guns while looking for a teaching position – something that could take a while in the current economic climate. “I’m always apprehensive about telling people, especially in the school system, that my other job is in a gun store,” she says.

Teets owns two guns – she was tired of her Sig weighing down her bag, so she bought a smaller .380 model. She *generally keeps one of her guns with her or in her car, “unless I’m going to school”. She tells me, “I have never had to draw it, but I did have an awkward situation a few weeks ago when I was being followed home and I didn’t have my gun on me. I was really nervous. I would always rather be safe than sorry.”

She was brought up with guns: “My dad was in the Marine Corps so I was always around guns. When I was six or seven, he took me on a hunting safety course, and I’ve been shooting with him ever since. Now I don’t shoot as much as I used to because of this job. By closing time I’m done. But before I started working here, my boyfriend and I used to come down to the range every Sunday. That was our thing.”

Regardless of whether other towns adopt Kennesaw-style laws, the reassertion of gun rights in the Obama era, along with a Palin run for president in 2012, will ensure that the second amendment remains on the political agenda.

And here in the south a new generation of gun-owners is ready to continue the tradition. As Teets says: “I am always going to have a firearm. And I am going to teach my children – when I have them – to shoot. I was raised that way and I want my children to be raised that way.”

Anna Fifield is US political correspondent for the FT

Her last piece for the magazine was on Iranian women. You can read it at www.ft.com/iranianwomen

To comment on this article, e-mail ftweekendmagazine@ft.com; to ask the writer a question, e-mail askthewriter@ft.com

OmegaNYC
October 9th, 2010, 12:05 AM
Buncha Country Bumpkins. Nothing more to see.

212
October 10th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Kennesaw is a little bit country, a little bit rock 'n roll. It has gun ranges and Confederate clubs, shopping malls and Starbucks. With the growth of the Atlanta metro area, it has become a fairly wealthy suburb, and it's not a bad place to live. Politically it is very conservative.

Here's where the FT article gets a little bit lazy: it compares Kennesaw's crime rate (http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Kennesaw&state=GA) against two other Georgia towns with higher crime, Dalton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton,_Georgia) and Hinesville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinesville,_Georgia), and concludes that Kennesaw's gun policy is working. But Dalton and Hinesville (which are not suburbs of Atlanta) have just half the median income of Kennsaw, and triple the poverty rates. So it's a bad comparison. in Kennesaw, some of the social problems that cause crime, like unstable families and failing schools, just aren't so much in effect.

As for the gun laws of the three Georgia towns -- I'd guess that most people in Dalton and Hinesville have guns, too, just like Kennesaw. Most people in Georgia have guns.

A suburb in our area of similar size and wealth to Kennesaw is Scotch Plains, N.J. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_Plains,_New_Jersey) -- but Scotch Plains actually has lower crime (http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Scotch+Plains+Township&state=NJ) than Kennesaw. Should Kennesaw drop its mandatory gun law and do whatever Scotch Plains is doing?

Ninjahedge
October 15th, 2010, 01:23 PM
What they need to do is do a demographic of the people there, the spread of incomes and unemployment, its PROXIMITY to other towns not as well-off and, finally, a study of ALL the crime rates and how they compare.

I bet you will find that while some petty crimes may go down, such as theft, and assault, the number of fatal confrontations and "accidents" will be greater.

Guns do not prevent crime, they just put pressure on it causing the minor offenses to shrink, but popping some others that might have just been a brawl in other towns into a shooting.



BTW, why are guns legal, but nunchucks, sharpened Katanas and Ninjato and other oriental weapons illegal? They determined that they were too dangerous and could hurt other people? :confused:

londonlawyer
October 15th, 2010, 01:28 PM
America is f..cked up. In Kennesaw, marijuana and prostitution (i.e., two good things) are illegal, and guns are not only legal but compulsory! What insanity!

BankerToBe
October 16th, 2010, 05:03 AM
America is f..cked up. In Kennesaw, marijuana and prostitution (i.e., two good things) are illegal, and guns are not only legal but compulsory! What insanity!

And yet you still seem to enjoy spending a lot of time here.

The difference here from your home country is that people have guns and can live with them. I imagine if everyone in London were given permission to use guns that city would descend into anarchy, with drunken shootings every minute of the day.

Guns are just a tool. Knives, stairs, and autos are just as dangerous. It's the people who are different.

But you keep chanting your idealogical nonsense here about how "America "Bad London Good" while your home city continues to deal with the fact that there is no real economy there except the Royals, Burberry, and the remnants of the worst type of financial regulation (ie sans SarbOx and the only reason London has any sort of economy at all) as your fellow citizens continue to flee to North America and the Antipodes.

I would take any of the citizens of that place anyday to get my back over the average Londoner, who would be hard pressed to make a cup of tea let alone actually do something productive with their hands to benefit society.

In other words, coming from the most dishonest/least well regulated of all banking centers, coming from the "pirate banking nation", what you are saying is a bit rich.

londonlawyer
October 16th, 2010, 07:49 AM
You're hilarious, kid. You assume that I live in London, but in reality, I'm American.

Are you familiar with the Odd Couple episode regarding the flawed nature of assumptions?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:BdGi1pYu5ATULM:http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3900/assume.jpg&t=1

PS: Keep studying so that your dream of being a "banker" comes true.

PPS: Finance is a global business, so I suggest that you drop your provincial attitude.

lofter1
October 16th, 2010, 10:09 AM
Guns are just a tool. Knives, stairs, and autos are just as dangerous. It's the people who are different.


Love the banker v. lawyer mash-up. Maybe the next probable Governor of Connecticut could sign you guys up?

Human nature is human nature, all around the world. But we don't see folks all over the planet pushing people down the stairs at the rate of 30,000 / year.

The tool in question (aka the gun), which offers such immediate results, changes the calculus.

Not to mention that in the USA 1/2 of recent gun related deaths are by suicide (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/suicides-half-of-gun-deat_n_110043.html).

But Freedom is a messy thing, no?

Ninjahedge
October 18th, 2010, 08:50 AM
A gun is not a tool. It is a weapon.

You can bend its etymology to loosely apply the affixation "tool" to it because certain tasks can be performed because of its influence, but the only real direct use it has is shooting another thing.

Unlike knives and swords which can, if pressed, be used to do things such as woodworking, skinning an animal, used to capture and clean fish, a gun would be difficult to do anything but kill the fish (or the piece of wood) you want to work with.

Hell, the propellant in the bullets themselves can be considered as more of a "tool" than the gun!

BBMW
October 19th, 2010, 12:32 AM
Maybe you should consider relocating over there. You clearly don't like it here very much. You'd be happier.


You're hilarious, kid. You assume that I live in London, but in reality, I'm American.

Are you familiar with the Odd Couple episode regarding the flawed nature of assumptions?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:BdGi1pYu5ATULM:http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3900/assume.jpg&t=1

PS: Keep studying so that your dream of being a "banker" comes true.

PPS: Finance is a global business, so I suggest that you drop your provincial attitude.

Fabrizio
October 19th, 2010, 02:15 AM
BBMW: my guess is that the majority of Americans would agree with LL about a place like Kennesaw Georgia and it's guns.

Or let me put it this way: if those agreeing with him were to leave the country.... wow....what a ThirdWorld country it would be.

Ninjahedge
October 19th, 2010, 09:04 AM
"Oh we are not going to FORCE you to have a gun or anything, but we have still made it against the law not to have one"

Really odd from a group of people that resent the control of the government in their lives.

BBMW
October 19th, 2010, 09:59 AM
My guess is not. Once you get out of NYC and some of the other big cities, there is A LOT of support for gun ownership in this country. Being in Italy, and only seeing what the mainstream media publishes, you might not get that.

In 1994 the then democratic congress passed a ban on sporterized (semiautomatic) "assault" type weapons. They then promptly voted out of power in congress. The ban was largely credited with that.

When the Democrats took back congress in 2006, there were calls from the left wing to impose tough gun control. These intensified after Obama was elected. It but it didn't go anywhere, because the Dem leadership knew that the backlash would crush them (although they seem to have found other ways to get crushed, hopefully.)


BBMW: my guess is that the majority of Americans would agree with LL about a place like Kennesaw Georgia and it's guns.

Or let me put it this way: if those agreeing with him were to leave the country.... wow....what a ThirdWorld country it would be.

Fabrizio
October 19th, 2010, 10:55 AM
My guess is not. Once you get out of NYC and some of the other big cities, there is A LOT of support for gun ownership in this country.

Strawman.

The issue on this thread is not mere "gun ownership".

BBMW
October 19th, 2010, 12:33 PM
Your statement from above:
"my guess is that the majority of Americans would agree with LL about a place like Kennesaw Georgia and it's guns.

"

I read that as you thinking that the majority of Americans share LL's anti gun sentiment. In that I think your wrong. If you're talking about the Kennesaw requirement to have a gun in the household. You may be right that the majority of Americans would disagree with that, but only the local gov't is mandating it.


Strawman.

The issue on this thread is not mere "gun ownership".

BBMW
October 19th, 2010, 12:37 PM
He doesn't like our guns, he doesn't like our architecture (from other threads). I gather he doesn't like our attitude. He's obviously a Europhile. At least it appears so by reading his posts, and that he uses the screen name Londonlawyer. Why not go where he'd fit in better?




Or let me put it this way: if those agreeing with him were to leave the country.... wow....what a ThirdWorld country it would be.

Ninjahedge
October 19th, 2010, 01:30 PM
So you are saying that because he is an implied outsider his opinion means less than yours?

BBMW
October 20th, 2010, 12:01 PM
So you are saying that because he is an implied outsider his opinion means less than yours?


You're hilarious, kid. You assume that I live in London, but in reality, I'm American.


I was responding to this. I was suggesting, given his europhilia, maybe he'd be happier residing over there, and not having to deal with things in NYC and the rest of the US that seem to annoy him.

lofter1
October 20th, 2010, 12:22 PM
... his europhilia ...

LL: You might want to see a doctor about that, STAT.

londonlawyer
October 20th, 2010, 12:30 PM
I've been using cream and taking medicine to keep it from spreading.

Ninjahedge
October 20th, 2010, 12:38 PM
Is that what she said?

londonlawyer
October 20th, 2010, 12:40 PM
Yeah. Christine told me that we have to keep the whole thing quiet because she doesn't want the celibacy lie exposed. She tried casting a spell, but it didn't work. At least she's wearing the pearl necklace I gave her.

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00453/Christine-O_Donnell_453363s.jpg

lofter1
October 20th, 2010, 12:47 PM
Good to hear that your constitution is being so well looked after.

Ninjahedge
October 20th, 2010, 02:21 PM
A man has to stay in good health.

londonlawyer
October 20th, 2010, 02:37 PM
What I could really use for my health is an oil wrestling tag team match with Christine and other other pyscho hottie.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_428UUYWZAP8/SwVI96oD5QI/AAAAAAAAAjk/KlZ48d-wEnA/s1600/sarah-palin-runners-world-flag-code.jpg

lofter1
October 20th, 2010, 05:12 PM
That one ^ would run you ragged.

ablarc
October 20th, 2010, 05:37 PM
If we had more women on this forum, the air would be thick with accusations of sexism.

londonlawyer
October 20th, 2010, 07:33 PM
I don't think accusations of sexism are valid anymore. I don't know a single man who does not regard women as his equals. Also, women are fully sexually liberated and give comments like mine back with a gusto (when they're not initiating them).

lofter1
October 20th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Always wondered why we don't have more female regulars here.

Ninjahedge
October 21st, 2010, 07:48 AM
Because I don't agree with them.... ;)

Jay Led
October 25th, 2010, 11:14 PM
lofter1

I am the nitwit Minugh who's been trying to figure out if you're still on this forum and here you are.

Sexism no longer valid? Hysterical. And I'm the Queen of England.

So how do you know so much about the Minughs (if you don't mind me asking). If you do mind, I won't bother you.

Jay Led

lofter1
October 25th, 2010, 11:44 PM
My Man, Jay: Have your lost the ability to read (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12292&p=342408&viewfull=1#post342408)?

Send me that PM with your numbers & contact info and all the secrets are yours.

Jay Led
October 26th, 2010, 12:35 AM
About the Guns

(Hope I'm doing this right)

I retired from NYC to Arizona.

My local news today reported that a nice local family went out to play with their guns as a family. The eight year old ended up shooting the four year old in the head with her 22 gauge rifle in front of mommy and daddy. The shot was fatal.

Guns are not toys, and, in my humble opinion, target shooting is not quality family time.

But then, I'm just one of those snotty east coast liberals.

Jay Led

Ninjahedge
October 26th, 2010, 10:01 AM
I hear the GOP has a special brand of Antihistamine for that.......

Same brand as the kid took, I hear.... :(