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February 2nd, 2011, 09:54 PM
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Ed Ou for The New York Times
Protesters calling for President Hosni Mubarak to step down, injured in fighting on Wednesday in Cairo, received treatment at a mosque that had been turned into a makeshift hospital.


Arab World Faces Its Uncertain Future (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/world/middleeast/03arab.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all)

By ANTHONY SHADID
CAIRO — The future of the Arab world, perched between revolt and the contempt of a crumbling order, was fought for in the streets of downtown Cairo on Wednesday.

Tens of thousands of protesters who have reimagined the very notion of citizenship in a tumultuous week of defiance proclaimed with sticks, home-made bombs and a shower of rocks that they would not surrender their revolution to the full brunt of an authoritarian government that answered their calls for change with violence.

The Arab world watched a moment that suggested it would never be the same again — and waited to see whether protest or crackdown would win the day. Words like “uprising” and “revolution” only hint at the scale of events in Egypt, which have already reverberated across Yemen, Jordan, Syria and even Saudi Arabia, offering a new template for change in a region that long reeled from its own sense of stagnation. “Every Egyptian understands now,” said Magdi al-Sayyid, one of the protesters.

The protesters have spoken for themselves to a government that, like many across the Middle East, treated them as a nuisance. For years, pundits have predicted that Islamists would be the force that toppled governments across the Arab world. But so far, they have been submerged in an outpouring of popular dissent that speaks to a unity of message, however fleeting — itself a sea change in the region’s political landscape. In the vast panorama of Tahrir Square on Wednesday, Egyptians were stationed at makeshift barricades, belying pat dismissals of the power of the Arab street.

“The street is not afraid of governments anymore,” said Shawki al-Qadi, an opposition lawmaker in Yemen, itself roiled by change. “It is the opposite. Governments and their security forces are afraid of the people now. The new generation, the generation of the Internet, is fearless. They want their full rights, and they want life, a dignified life.”

The power of Wednesday’s stand was that it turned those abstractions into reality.

The battle was waged by Mohammed Gamil, a dentist in a blue tie who ran toward the barricades of Tahrir Square. It was joined by Fayeqa Hussein, a veiled mother of seven who filled a Styrofoam container with rocks. Magdi Abdel-Rahman, a 60-year-old grandfather, kissed the ground before throwing himself against crowds mobilized by a state bent on driving them from the square. And the charge was led by Yasser Hamdi, who said his 2-year-old daughter would live a life better than the one he endured.

“Aren’t you men?” he shouted. “Let’s go!”

As the crowd pushed back the government’s men, down a street of airline offices, banks and a bookstore called L’Orientaliste, Mr. Abdel-Rahman made the stakes clear. “They want to take our revolution from us,” he declared.

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The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s largest opposition force, has entered the fray. In a poignant moment, its followers knelt in prayer at dusk, their faces lighted by the soft glow of burning fires a stone’s throw away. But Mr. Abdel-Rahman’s description of the uprising as a revolution suggested that the events of the past week had overwhelmed even the Brotherhood, long considered the sole agent of change here.

“Dignity” was a word often used Wednesday, and its emphasis underlined the breadth of a movement that is, so far, leaderless. Neither the Brotherhood nor a handful of opposition leaders — men like Mohammed ElBaradei or Ayman Nour — have managed to articulate hopelessness, the humiliations at the hands of the police and the outrage at having too little money to marry, echoed in the streets of Palestinian camps in Jordan and in the urban misery of Baghdad’s Sadr City. For many, the Brotherhood itself is a vestige of an older order that has failed to deliver.

“The problem is that for 30 years, Mubarak didn’t let us build an alternative,” said Adel Wehba, as he watched the tumult in the square. “No alternative for anything.”

The lack of an alternative may have led to the uprising, making the street the last option for not only the young and dispossessed but also virtually every element of Egypt’s population — turbaned clerics, businessmen from wealthy suburbs, film directors and well-to-do engineers. Months ago, despair at the prospect of change in the Arab world was commonplace. Protesters on Wednesday acted as though they were making a last stand at what they had won, in an uprising that is distinctly nationalist.

“He won’t go,” President Hosni Mubarak’s supporters chanted on the other side. “He will go,” went the reply. “We’re not going to go.”

The word “traitor” rang out Wednesday. The insult was directed at Mr. Mubarak, and it echoed the sentiment heard in so many parts of the Arab world these days — governments of an American-backed order in most of the region have lost their legitimacy, built on the idea that people would surrender their rights for the prospect of security and stability. In the square on Wednesday, protesters offered an alternative, their empowerment standing as possibly the most remarkable legacy of a people who often lamented their apathy.

Everyone seemed joined in the moment, fists, batons and rocks banging any piece of metal to rally themselves. A man stood on a tank turret, urging protesters forward. Another cried as he shouted at Mr. Mubarak’s men. “Come here!” he said. “Here is where’s right.” Men and women ferried rocks in bags, cartons and boxes to the barricades. Bassem Yusuf, a heart surgeon, heard news of the clashes on television and headed to the square at dusk, stitching wounds at a makeshift clinic run by volunteers.

“We’re not going to destroy our country,” said Mohammed Kamil, a 48-year-old, surging with the crowd. “We’re not going to let this dog make us do that.”

From minute-by-minute coverage on Arabic channels to conversations from Iraq to Morocco, the Middle East watched breathlessly at a moment as compelling as any in the Arab world in a lifetime. For the first time in a generation, Arabs seem to be looking again to Egypt for leadership, and that sense of destiny was voiced throughout the day.

“I tell the Arab world to stand with us until we win our freedom,” said Khaled Yusuf, a cleric from Al Azhar, a once esteemed institution of religious scholarship now beholden to the government. “Once we do, we’re going to free the Arab world.”

For decades, the Arab world has waited for a savior — be it Gamal Abdel-Nasser, the charismatic Egyptian president or even, for a time, Saddam Hussein. No one was waiting for a savior on Wednesday. Before nearly three decades of accumulated authority — the power of a state that can mobilize thousands to heed its whims — people had themselves.

“I’m fighting for my freedom,” Noha al-Ustaz said as she broke bricks on the curb. “For my right to express myself. For an end to oppression. For an end to injustice.”

“Go forward,” the cries rang out, and she did, disappearing into a sea of men.

Nada Bakri contributed reporting from Beirut.

lofter1
February 3rd, 2011, 10:21 AM
How to make use of cyberspace in the new Middle East ...

The Pro-Regime Text Messages

THE DAILY DISH (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/the-pro-regime-text-messages.html)
03 FEB 2011 10:11 AM
by Patrick Appel

Ackerman (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/egypt-hacked-vodafone-to-send-pro-regime-texts/):



One of the largest mobile providers operating in Egypt says the regime of Hosni Mubarak sent unattributed pro-regime text messages out over its network. And it’s not happy about the hack.

In a statement, Vodafone confirms that “since the start of the protests,” the regime has used emergency authorities to send “messages to the people of Egypt.” Rival providers Mobinil and Etisalat are subject to the same authority. None of the messages are “scripted by any of the mobile network operators and we do not have the ability to respond to the authorities on their content.”

Mackey has more (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/latest-updates-on-day-10-of-egypt-protests/?partner=rss&emc=rss):



The translations of the texts also appear to suggest that different messages were sent to different phones, perhaps indicating that the Egyptian government has specific information on each mobile owner. One message, apparently sent to suspected protesters, reads: "Youth of Egypt, beware rumors and listen to the sound of reason - Egypt is above all so preserve it."

Another message, seeking to rally regime supporters, read: "The Armed Forces asks Egypt's honest and loyal men to confront the traitors and criminals and protect our people and honor and our precious Egypt."

Gallery of text messages here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59098813@N06/sets/72157625964108236/detail/).

COPYRIGHT © THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 2011 BY THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY GROUP

Ninjahedge
February 3rd, 2011, 01:06 PM
Precious.

lofter1
February 4th, 2011, 04:47 PM
This would put Hosni in the top 4 worldwide ...

Mubaraks' Loot

THE DAILY DISH (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/mubaraks-loot.html)
by Chris Bodenner
04 FEB 2011 01:45 PM

A small but staggering detail in EA's coverage (http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2011/2/4/egypt-and-beyond-liveblog-a-big-day-and-not-just-in-cairo.html) today:



1645 GMT: ABC News reports (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/egypt-mubarak-family-accumulated-wealth-days-military/story?id=12821073&page=1) that Mubarak and his families personal wealth could range anywhere between $40-$70 billion dollars - most of it outside of Egypt, possibly in Swiss and British banks.

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_billionaires)'s a list of top billionaires for reference.

COPYRIGHT © FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2011

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Egypt is the second highest annual recipient, behind Israel, of foreign aid (http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm) paid out by the USA.

lofter1
February 6th, 2011, 06:27 PM
The power of people + prayer at the battle on Qasr el-Nil bridge, 29 January 2011 ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PujwO_iY5BU

Today, a Christian Mass in Tehrir Square ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Af5E6fTdlw

mariab
February 10th, 2011, 10:35 PM
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak won't step down; protesters in Cairo vow to march on palace

BY Thomas M. Defrank (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Thomas%20M.%20Defrank) AND Corky Siemaszko (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Corky%20Siemaszko)
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Originally Published:Thursday, February 10th 2011, 11:12 AM
Updated: Thursday, February 10th 2011, 9:04 PM
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Army soldiers stand guard as anti-government protesters surround the state television building following Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's televised speech.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/02/11/amd_hosni_mubarak%20.jpg Egypt TV/AP
Mubarak makes a televised statement to his nation Thursday in which he said he will not immediately step down.







Egypt (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Egypt) faced its biggest day of rage Friday after embattled president Hosni Mubarak (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Hosni+Mubarak) defied the will of his people and refused to resign from office.
A throng of protesters gathered in Cairo (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Cairo+(Egypt))'s Tahrir Square (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tahrir+Square) by the hundreds of thousands Friday morning, vowing to march on the presidential palace - urging all Egyptians to join them.
Defying pleas from Mubarak's vice president to "Go home," they vowed to stage their biggest demonstration yet in Egypt's three-week revolt.
"We will not stop fighting until Mubarak is gone," one protester yelled.
Nobel laureate and pro-democracy leader Mohamed El Baradei (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Mohamed+ElBaradei) called on the Egyptian army to save his country.
Mubarak, who appeared to be on his way out early Thursday, crushed the hopes of his long-suffering subjects by dismissing their demands for a quick exit.
He said he was delegating some authority to his handpicked vice president but would remain in office until elections in September.
"I am determined to fulfill what I promised," he said.
In Washington (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Washington%2c+DC), Mubarak's defiance was met with a demand from President Obama (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Barack+Obama) that the Egyptian government spell out exactly what changes had occurred.
"The Egyptian people have been told that there was a transition of authority, but it is not yet clear that this transition is immediate, meaningful or sufficient," he said.
Obama was meeting with national security aides and debating what to do about Mubarak - a longtime ally who has maintained the long-standing peace treaty with Israel (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Israel).
The 82-year-old Egyptian leaders's stubborn refusal to leave was also a huge embarrassment for CIA (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Central+Intelligence+Agency) chief Leon Panetta (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Leon+Panetta), who had told lawmakers there was a "strong likelihood" that Mubarak would step down.
Speaking on TV from the presidential palace, Mubarak called his subjects "children of Egypt" and then quickly dashed his peoples' hopes for change.
Mubarak reminded his restive people that he has already said he would not stand for reelection in September - and that he is sticking to that plan.
In an attempt to mollify the public, Mubarak said he would cede some power to his veep Omar Suleiman (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Omar+Suleiman) - which El Baradei dismissed as "an act of deception on a grand scale."
Mubarak said his departure would not be dictated by "foreigners" and accused the cable TV stations covering the drama of fomenting the rebellion.
"I never sought false power or popularity," he said. "The people know who Hosni Mubarak is."
In Tahrir Square, the crowd listened to Mubarak's defiant speech in stunned silence. Then, as he finished, they began screaming "Leave! Leave! Leave!" and waving their shoes in a sign of contempt.
Suleiman spoke a short time later and urged the protesters to, "Go back home, go back to your work."
In the run-up to the speech, there appeared to be signs that Mubarak might fold.
Egypt's armed forces went on state TV and announced they were stepping in to "safeguard" the country.
Footage showed stern-faced Defense Minister Hussein Tantawi (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Hussein+Tantawi) chairing a meeting of top military brass, one of whom read what he called "communique number one."
"In support of the legitimate demands of the people," the officer read, the Egyptian army will "examine measures to be taken to protect the nation."
Notably absent were Mubarak and Suleiman.
All the while, Mubarak spokesman Anas el-Fiqqi (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Anas+-Fiqqi), insisted his boss would not stand down.
By nightfall yesterday, Mubarak's mouthpiece was proven right.
The anti-Mubarak protests erupted 17 days ago after a popular uprising toppled Tunisia (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tunisia)'s corrupt President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Zine+El+Abidine+Ben+Ali).
Despite several clashes with Mubarak's thugs, the protesters have refused to leave Tahrir Square and revolts have also broken out in other key Egyptian cities.
csiemaszko@nydailynews.com (csiemaszko@nydailynews.com)
With News Wire Services


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/02/10/2011-02-10_egyptian_president_hosni_mubarak_will_step_down _after_weeks_of_protest.html#ixzz1DcLcp696


He'll keep short puppet strings attached to whoever he cedes power to.

mariab
February 11th, 2011, 04:36 PM
End of Mubarak era as protests topple Egyptian president

Military takes over; Nobel Peace Prize winner says nation 'liberated'

CAIRO — Egypt’s military took control of the country Friday as Hosni Mubarakhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_11pxw.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41526422/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/?GT1=43001#) resigned as president after 18 days of massive protests against his autocratic 30-year reign.
Mubarak’s resignation was announced by Vice President Omar Suleiman in a brief statement that brought roars of joy to Egyptians gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square — the epicenter of the protest movement — as well as the presidential palace in the suburb of Heliopolis and all around the country.
"We have brought down the regime, we have brought down the regime," chanted the hundreds of thousands of people who packed into Tahrir Square for "Farewell Friday."

Video: ‘The people brought down this regime’ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41526422/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/?GT1=43001#slice-1)

Egyptians waved flags, cried, cheered and embraced when the news reached them through a public address system. "Finally we are free," said Safwan Abou Stat, a 60-year-old protester.
The move was welcomed by the White House and several Middle Eastern nations.
President Barack Obamahttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_11pxw.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41526422/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/?GT1=43001#) said the world had witnessed a true moment of history. "Egyptians have inspired us, and and they've done so by putting the lie to the idea that justice is best gained by violence," he said.
Video: Obama: ‘Egypt will never be the same’ (javascript:ijv.launchVideo('41537190');)
Earlier, Egypt's higher military council said it would announce measures for a transitional phase. The statement also praised Mubarak for stepping down "in the interests of the nation" and "salutes the martyrs" who lost their lives in the unrest.



Suleiman — who appeared to have lost his post as well in the military takeover — appeared grim as he delivered the short announcement.
"In these grave circumstances that the country is passing through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to leave his position as president of the republic," Suleiman said. "He has mandated the Armed Forces Supreme Council to run the state. God is our protector and succor."
'The greatest day'
Leading Egyptian democracy advocate Mohamed ElBaradeihttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_11pxw.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41526422/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/?GT1=43001#), a Nobel Peace Prize winner, said Friday was "the greatest day of my life."

"The country has been liberated after decades of repression," ElBaradei told The Associated Press. He said he expected a "beautiful" transition of power.
A senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest opposition group, said it was waiting to see what steps would be taken by the military's Supreme Council, but also sounded an optimistic note.
"I salute the Egyptian people and the martyrs. This is the day of victory for the Egyptian people. The main goal of the revolution has been achieved," Mohamed el-Katatni, former leader of the Brotherhood's parliamentary bloc, told Reuters.
Story: What you need to know about the crisis in Egypt (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41391792/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/)
Another leading opposition figure, Ayman Nour, said he was looking forward to a transition period that would lead to a civilian government.
"This is the greatest day in the history of Egypt that will not be repeated. This nation has been born again. These people have been born again and this is a new Egypt," he told Al-Jazeera.
End of era
Mubarak, a former air force commander came to power after the 1981 assassination of his predecessor Anwar Sadat by Islamic radicals. Throughout his rule, he showed a near obsession with stability, using rigged electionshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_11pxw.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41526422/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/?GT1=43001#) and a hated police force accused of widespread torture to ensure his control.
He resisted calls for reform even as public bitterness grew over corruption, deteriorating infrastructure and rampant poverty in a country where 40 percent live below or near the poverty line.
Up to the last hours, Mubarak sought to cling to power, handing some of his authorities to Suleiman while keeping his title.
Video: Live video from Cairo's Tahrir Square (javascript:ijv.launchVideo('41528247');)
But an explosion of protests Friday rejecting the move appeared to have pushed the military into forcing him out completely. Hundreds of thousands marched throughout the day in cities across the country as soldiers stood by, besieging his palaces in Cairo and Alexandria and the state TV building. A governor of a southern province was forced to flee to safety in the face of protests there.



Mubarak himself flew to his isolated palace in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, 250 miles from the turmoil in Cairo.
His fall came 32 years to the day after the collapse of the shah's government in Iran.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41526422/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/?GT1=43001

lofter1
February 11th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Can't find specific info on Mubarak's palace in Sharm el-Sheikh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharm_el-Sheikh). Given his other digs, I doubt his exile will be too tough ...

Pimp My Palace

THE DAILY DISH (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/pimp-my-palace.html)
by Zoe Pollock
11 FEB 2011

Hunter Walker has the 411 (http://hunterwalker.tumblr.com/post/3196137714) on all of Mubarak's palaces. Money quote:



Abdeen Palace includes museums dedicated to silverware, gifts received by President Mubarak, and weaponry including a pistol once owned by Italian fascist Benito Mussolini. ... One room in the Presidential gifts museum contains a portrait of Mubarak surrounded by weapons given to the President. Saddam Hussein contributed a gold-plated AK-47 to the collection.

What happens to the loot now? EA updates (http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2011/2/11/egypt-and-beyond-liveblog-one-more-push.html) on Mubarak's coffers:



1727 GMT: A Foreign Ministry spokesman says the Swiss government has frozen potential Mubarak assets in the country.

The Guardian relays (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/11/egypt-hosni-mubarak-left-cairo#block-65) what the blanket injunction to freeze his assets really means:



This is the usual procedure in such cases, and has also been the procedure for Tunisia earlier this year: Besides decreeing that all accounts etc belonging to Hosni Mubarak and his family plus certain ex-ministers are immediately blocked, it also mandates banks to report to the federal administration whether they hold any accounts in the name of Hosni Mubarak etc.

Thus, it's a preventive "blanket injunction" aimed at any and all accounts of Mubarak et al, if there are any. It does not really serve to confirm whether Mubarak actually has any money in Switzerland or not, it could well be that actually no accounts will found to fall within the remit of the injunction.

COPYRIGHT © FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2011

lofter1
February 11th, 2011, 06:42 PM
Of course, there are those bleating fear mongers who see nothing good in this ...

NYC Mosque Foe Pam Geller On Egypt: Bad for Freedom (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/egypt-mubarak-geller-mosque-cpac?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28Mot herJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29&utm_content=Google+Reader)

... I asked Geller what she thought about Mubarak's resignation and the fate of Egypt's leadership. Her take was nothing short of apocalyptic, predicting "the rise of Islamic supremacism and the imposition of the Sharia" throughout the Middle East.

"We are witnessing a complete seismic shift in the direction of the world away from freedom," Geller said. When I asked her about Glenn Beck's theory that "uber-leftists" and Islamic extremists could be plotting to from a new Islamic caliphate, she told me that those "are justifiable fears. An earthquake has occurred in the Middle East." She added, "These are catastrophic events over which we have no control."

Geller said she was "thoroughly embarrassed and disgusted" that the US "would abandon an ally," a reference to the Obama administration's recent statements calling for a peaceful change in leadership in Egypt, which had been under Mubarak's autocratic rule for nearly 30 years. Asked about who she thought would step up to lead in Egypt, Geller said, "We do know that evil loves a vacuum ..."

One commenter wrote:



If evil fills a vacuum, then Geller should begin looking diligently and fearfully inside her own head.

Copyright ©2011 Mother Jones and the Foundation for National Progress.

mariab
February 11th, 2011, 08:39 PM
"We do know that evil loves a vacuum ..."

...but it was ok when this evil dictator filled the vacuum 30 years ago?

lofter1
February 13th, 2011, 09:01 PM
Day of the Martyrs

BLOG GANZEER (http://ganzeer.blogspot.com/)
Friday, February 11, 2011

Dirty politics and power struggles aside, there are innocent people who died (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o7YK19t1-PI/TVT5vA3cmtI/AAAAAAAAAMs/qzkFxCq33vo/s1600/print_islambakir.png) over the course of Egypt's current revolution. These people died because they could see something most of us could not see. They died because they could see Egypt soaring high in a place of dignity and respect. They could see Egypt become something none of us thought possible. They died for me, they died for you, for our grandparents, and for our children. True heroes (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rdhcGhI1zjQ/TVT6ZHLyzZI/AAAAAAAAAM8/cxGbfN3irpg/s1600/print_basiouny.png), ready to fight a corrupt regime with all its soldiers, guns, and ammo with nothing more than their voices and willpower.

These heroes are the Golden Eagles of the Egyptian revolution.

Christine (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f0W2DwickBE/TVT5tgeLELI/AAAAAAAAAMc/N-kdC3V5Dmc/s1600/print_christine.png)

http://www.artinfo.com/media/image/239395/print_christine.jpg

They Died to See Egypt Soar:
A Cairo Artist's Portraits of the Revolution's Martyred Activists

Gallery at ArtInfo (http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/36966/they-died-to-see-egypt-soar-a-cairo-artists-portraits-of-the-revolutions-martyred-activists/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+artinfo-all+%28All+Content+|+ARTINFO%29&utm_content=Google+Reader)

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An anti-Mubarak sticker (http://www.artinfo.com/news/enlarged_image/36966/239356/) design by Ganzeer

Egyptian artist Ganzeer has created a series of anti-Mubarak protest artworks, including this graphic:

http://www.artinfo.com/media/image/239346/top.sign01_egyptnotmasr.jpg
...............Courtesy of Ganzeer (http://www.ganzeer.com/)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g9fPOl8wjis/S1yaoVH2LhI/AAAAAAAACTo/WlMSbrRon54/S1600-R/header_blog5.jpg

lofter1
February 13th, 2011, 11:24 PM
From Tunisia To Tehran

THE DAILY DISH (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/from-tunisia-to-tehran.html)
by Chris Bodenner
13 FEB 2011 09:02 PM

The Greens are gearing up (http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Iran-Opposition-Moves-Ahead-with-Rally-Plan-Despite-Warnings-116111749.html) for pro-democracy protests tomorrow:



Iranian opposition leaders are moving forward with plans to hold a rally Monday in Tehran in support of successful anti-government uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia. Iran's Interior Ministry has refused to grant permission for the rally, which one government official has termed "riots for seditionists." Iranian reformist leader Mehdi Karroubi has been placed under house arrest, presumably in connection with the request to stage the rally. But on Sunday a renewed call for the demonstration appeared on both Karroubi's website and one belonging to another opposition leader, Mir Hossein Mousavi.

The regime is trying to stymie (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/12/egypt.iran.rally/index.html) online communication:



Iranian authorities have blocked the word "Bahman" -- the 11th month of the Persian calendar -- from Internet searches within the country, according to an opposition website. The measure appears to be an effort by Iranian authorities to obstruct access to several websites that are promoting a rally on Monday -- the 25th day of Bahman -- proposed by Iranian opposition leaders in support of the uprising in Egypt, Saham News reported Saturday. ...

"By announcing that they will not allow opposition protests, the Iranian government has declared illegal for Iranians what it claimed was noble for Egyptians," National Security Advisor Tom Donilon said in the statement.

Enduring America is tracking (http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2011/2/12/the-latest-from-iran-12-february-the-regimes-day-came-and-it.html) the arrests of journalists and activists.

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Saturday night in Iran ...

Ekbatan 24 Bahman 89


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MkjNBmFF9I

lofter1
February 13th, 2011, 11:50 PM
Iranian Leaders Vow to Crush March

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/world/middleeast/14iran.html?hp)
By WILLIAM YONG
February 13, 2011

TEHRAN — The Iranian leaders who cheered the popular overthrow of an Egyptian strongman last week have promised to crush an opposition march planned for Monday in solidarity with the Egyptian people.

“These elements are fully aware of the illegal nature of the request,” Mehdi Alikhani Sadr, an Interior Ministry official, said of the permit request for the march in comments published Sunday by the semiofficial Fars news agency. “They know they will not be granted permission for riots.”

The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps was blunt.

“The conspirators are nothing but corpses,” Hossein Hamadani, a top commander of the corps, said Wednesday in comments published by the official IRNA news agency. “Any incitement will be dealt with severely.”

But opposition supporters, hoping the democratic uprisings sweeping the region will rejuvenate their own movement, insisted the march would go forward. “There are no plans to cancel it,” Ardeshir Amir Arjomand, senior political adviser to the opposition leader Mir Hussein Moussavi, said in a statement published Sunday on opposition Web sites.

The opposition also hopes to capitalize on the contradiction between Iran’s embrace of democracy movements abroad — Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi referred Friday to “the brave and justice-seeking movement in Egypt” — and its crackdown on a kindred movement at home.

“If they are not going to allow their own people to protest, it goes against everything they are saying, and all they are doing to welcome the protests in Egypt is fake,” another opposition leader, Mehdi Karroubi, said in an interview last week.

The United States has also seized on the apparent hypocrisy, issuing a statement on Sunday that seemed intended to encourage a revival of the protests in Iran. “By announcing that they will not allow opposition protests, the Iranian government has declared illegal for Iranians what it claimed was noble for Egyptians,” the statement, from the White House, said. “We call on the government of Iran to allow the Iranian people the universal right to peacefully assemble, demonstrate and communicate that’s being exercised in Cairo.”

Even as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran was welcoming the emergence of what he called a “new Middle East” on Friday, his government had already taken steps to quash the protest planned here.

In the week since opposition leaders filed the request for the march, the government has imposed restrictions on the communications and movements of Mr. Karroubi and detained at least 30 journalists, student activists and family members of figures close to the opposition leadership, according to opposition Web sites. There was also a vigilante attack on a senior reformist figure.

While the pro-democracy movement here professes similar political goals to those elsewhere, the differences are critical. The so-called Green movement here is, as the government points out, inherently counterrevolutionary; while democracy movements toppled secular dictatorships in Tunisia and Egypt, Iran’s Islamic Revolution did that here in 1979. The Iranian leaders praising the revolts of recent weeks claim them as their political progeny.

The democracy movement here has also been shaped, and battered, by recent experience. After the disputed election of June 2009, hundreds of thousands of Iranians took to the streets in protest, deploying their own social networks in what was then called “the Twitter revolution.” By the end of the year, a government crackdown characterized by killings and mass arrests had largely curtailed the movement’s public actions.

With those memories still fresh, opposition supporters are caught between fear and hopelessness on one hand, and the urge to seize what feels like a historic opportunity on the other.

“Things are far more complicated in Iran than Egypt,” said an online activist using the pseudonym Zahra Meysami. “People need to believe that things are possible. We desperately need hope. People need to see, not just believe, that the movement is alive.”

In the background has been a steady drumbeat of executions. International rights groups say 66 prisoners have been hanged this year (http://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=10698&LangID=E), at least three of them arrested during the 2009 protests.

Mr. Moussavi and Mr. Karroubi have condemned the executions for creating an atmosphere of “terror in society.” Some activists have called them a deliberate ploy to neutralize dissent.

Still, opposition Web sites have announced protest routes for more than 30 cities.

“The victory of the freedom-seeking movement in Egypt and Tunisia can open the way for Iran,” read a statement from an association of Tehran University student political groups. “Without a doubt, the starting point of these protests was the peaceful freedom-seeking movement of Iran in 2009.”

But some of the movement’s foot soldiers learned other lessons from 2009.

“Many people suffered in the 2009 unrest,” Leyla, 27, said. “They don’t want one martyr to become two.

“This is my souvenir from the protests,” she said, pushing aside her hair to reveal a scar in the center of her forehead, etched by a police baton two summers ago.

“My parents will be locking me in the house tomorrow.”

© 2011 The New York Times Company

mariab
February 14th, 2011, 04:54 PM
“The conspirators are nothing but corpses,” Hossein Hamadani, a top commander of the corps, said Wednesday in comments published by the official IRNA news agency. “Any incitement will be dealt with severely.”

No sense in whitewashing it.

MidtownGuy
February 15th, 2011, 01:32 PM
Iran and Yemen should be next.

Ninjahedge
February 15th, 2011, 03:13 PM
I think their change will be a bit more explosive, both literally and figuratively, than Egypt's.

mariab
February 15th, 2011, 10:07 PM
February 15, 2011 CBS News' Lara Logan Assaulted During Egypt Protests

CBS News Chief Foreign Correspondent Separated From Her Crew And Brutally Assaulted on Day Mubarak Stepped Down



http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/02/15/Lara_Logan_244x183.jpg
CBS News Correspondent Lara Logan in Tahrir Square moments before she was attacked on Feb. 11, 2011. (CBS)


(CBSNews) On Friday, Feb. 11, the day Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stepped down, CBS chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan was covering the jubilation in Tahrir Square for a "60 Minutes" story when she and her team and their security were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration. It was a mob of more than 200 people whipped into frenzy.

In the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew. She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers. She reconnected with the CBS team, returned to her hotel and returned to the United States on the first flight the next morning. She is currently in the hospital recovering.

There will be no further comment from CBS News and correspondent Logan and her family respectfully request privacy at this time.



Copyright 2011, CBS Interactive Inc.. All Rights Reserved.

Ninjahedge
February 16th, 2011, 07:53 AM
It just proves that humans are ass....s. >:'(

No matter where you are, however righteous your cause, however many sing along with you at the prospect of something better, there will be groups among you that will ruin your image and express their own narrow minded hatreds on others all in an attempt to validate their own acts of vandalism and desecration.

I fear this may be only the first.

mariab
February 16th, 2011, 04:03 PM
NYU fellow quits after tweets about Logan assault


By KAREN MATTHEWS, Associated Press Karen Matthews, Associated Press – 1 hr 9 mins ago


NEW YORK – A journalist resigned from his New York University fellowship Wednesday, one day after he posted derogatory comments on Twitter about CBS reporter Lara Logan as the news of her assault in Egypt was breaking.
"Jesus Christ, at a moment when she is going to become a martyr and glorified we should at least remember her role as a major war monger," Nir Rosen wrote on Twitter. He later added, "Look, she was probably groped like thousands of other women."
CBS has said the reporter was in Cairo on Friday when she, her team and their security "were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration."
Logan suffered "a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating," CBS said. She was saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers, the network said.
Rosen resigned from NYU's Center on Law and Security. He also took to Twitter to apologize.
"As someone who's devoted his career to defending victims and supporting justice, I'm very ashamed for my insensitive and offensive comments," he wrote.
Reached by e-mail on Wednesday, Rosen did not immediately respond to questions about his Twitter posts.
As a fellow at the Center on Law and Security, he had a salary and a work space.
The center's executive director, Karen J. Greenberg, said Wednesday that she had accepted Rosen's resignation.
"Nir Rosen is always provocative, but he crossed the line with his comments about Lara Logan," Greenberg said. "I am deeply distressed by what he wrote about Ms. Logan and strongly denounce his comments. They were cruel and insensitive and completely unacceptable."
Rosen is the author of books about Iraq including "In the Belly of the Green Bird: The Triumph of the Martyrs in Iraq" and "Aftermath: Following the Bloodshed of America's Wars in the Muslim World."
He has written for publications including Time, The New Yorker and the New York Times Magazine.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_on_en_tv/ny_lara_logan_tweets

GordonGecko
February 16th, 2011, 04:14 PM
As much as we would like it, Iran's government isn't going to fall any time soon. They are run by fanatical savages with a huge barbaric secret police (the revolutionary guard). Though not quite the SS, they're not far from it. The only change that will happen in Iran will be when some foreign government puts a missile through an assembly of all their leaders

lofter1
February 16th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Another example of how quickly the tide can turn (and how fragile everything really is)


NYU fellow quits after tweets about Logan assault

A journalist resigned from his New York University fellowship Wednesday, one day after he posted derogatory comments on Twitter about CBS reporter Lara Logan as the news of her assault in Egypt was breaking.

"Jesus Christ, at a moment when she is going to become a martyr and glorified we should at least remember her role as a major war monger," Nir Rosen wrote on Twitter. He later added, "Look, she was probably groped like thousands of other women."


The twitter feed: http://twitter.com/nirrosen

The last of the tweets ...

I know that in a matter of seconds with a thoughtless joke, I brought shame upon myself and my family and added insult to Ms. Logan's injury

1 minute ago via web


I feel I should make one last statement. I offer my deepest apologies to Ms. Logan, her friends and her family. I never meant to hurt anyone

2 minutes ago via web


but there is no point following me, i am done tweeting. too ashamed of how i have hurt others and the false impression i gave of who i am

about 4 hours ago via web


to the 500 people new twitter followers and the old ones. I did not mean it and i apologize again. it was an inappropriate unaccetable joke

about 4 hours ago via web


on the job you get used to making jokes about our own death, other people's deaths, horrors, you forget that you sound like a dick at home

about 10 hours ago via web


As someone who's devoted his career to defending victims and supporting justice, I'm very ashamed for my insensitive and offensive comments

about 12 hours ago via web

Dr.T
February 18th, 2011, 09:39 AM
Iran and Yemen should be next.

I'm sorry... MTG :rolleyes:, but Morocco would be better off, because the King Mohamed VI is a dictator who must be dispossessed of his absolute powers, because the Moroccan people starve while he lives like a millionaire. The situation in Morocco is very similar to the one living in Tunisia or Egypt. Sunday will be an important day in the Moroccan popular revolution.

lofter1
February 18th, 2011, 11:42 AM
Security Forces in Bahrain Fire on Mourners and Journalists

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/19/world/middleeast/19bahrain.html?hp)
January 18, 2011

MANAMA, Bahrain — Government forces opened fire on hundreds of mourners marching toward Pearl Square Friday, sending people running away in panic amid the boom of concussion grenades. But even as the people fled, at least one helicopter sprayed fire on them and a witness reported seeing mourners crumpling to the ground ...

***

Great comprehensive coverage of this and other events at The Daily Dish (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/gunning-mourners-down-by-helicopter.html) ...

Gunning Mourners Down By Helicopter

GordonGecko
February 18th, 2011, 12:44 PM
Hey that's just swell. The good folks in Bahrain sure know how to crash a funeral. Well done as*holes

lofter1
February 18th, 2011, 12:53 PM
The Crackdown In Bahrain

The Daily Dish (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/the-crackdown-in-bahrain.html)
18 FEB 2011 12:41 PM

Footage said to be from the shooting in Manama:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVSmigzpos

Enduring America:



As his security forces were shooting protesters, Bahrain's Crown Prince Salman bin Hamad al-Khalifa was saying on state TV, "It is now the duty of every Sunni and Shia to calm things down for the sake of the country."

The Guardian:



Lots of tweets flying around about medical treatment being denied in Manama. Reports unconfirmed as yet.

The BBC:



The BBC's Nick Springate in Manama says the main hospital there is in "complete chaos". He says more than 2,000 people are outside chanting against the government. He adds that medics say about 120 people have been admitted, mostly suffering from tear gas or with broken bones, and there is one person who has a gunshot wound to the leg.

lofter1
February 19th, 2011, 05:48 PM
CBS News Chief Foreign Correspondent Separated From Her Crew

And Brutally Assaulted on Day Mubarak Stepped Down


Why We Need Women in War Zones

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/opinion/20barker.html?hpw)
By KIM BARKER
February 19, 2011

... The Committee to Protect Journalists may be able to say that 44 journalists from around the world were killed last year because of their work, but the group doesn’t keep data on sexual assault and rape. Most journalists just don’t report it.

The CBS correspondent Lara Logan has broken that code of silence. She has covered some of the most dangerous stories in the world, and done a lot of brave things in her career. But her decision to go public earlier this week with her attack by a mob in Tahrir Square in Cairo was by far the bravest. Hospitalized for days, she is still recuperating from the attack, described by CBS as a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating.

Several commentators have suggested that Ms. Logan was somehow at fault: because she’s pretty; because she decided to go into the crowd; because she’s a war junkie. This wasn’t her fault. It was the mob’s fault. This attack also had nothing to do with Islam. Sexual violence has always been a tool of war. Female reporters sometimes are just convenient.

In the coming weeks, I fear that the conclusions drawn from Ms. Logan’s experience will be less reactionary but somehow darker, that there will be suggestions that female correspondents should not be sent into dangerous situations ...

Without female correspondents in war zones, the experiences of women there may be only a rumor.

Look at the articles about women who set themselves on fire in Afghanistan to protest their arranged marriages, or about girls being maimed by fundamentalists, about child marriage in India, about rape in Congo and Haiti. Female journalists often tell those stories in the most compelling ways, because abused women are sometimes more comfortable talking to them. And those stories are at least as important as accounts of battles.

There is an added benefit. Ms. Logan is a minor celebrity, one of the highest-profile women to acknowledge being sexually assaulted. Although she has reported from the front lines, the lesson she is now giving young women is probably her most profound: It’s not your fault. And there’s no shame in telling it like it is.

© 2011 The New York Times Company

lofter1
February 20th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Sunday February 20:

Iran Squelches Protest Attempt in Capital (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/world/middleeast/21iran.html?hp)

Anti-government protestors gathered in Tehran for a planned rally on Sunday to mark the deaths of two people killed in clashes one week earlier, but Iran’s police mounted a stultifying security presence in the capital, arresting protesters and using tear gas in an attempt to prevent the unrest from escalating.

Despite a steady rain on Sunday, large crowds of protestors gathered throughout Tehran, from the main thoroughfare to city squares, according to opposition Web sites and witnesses. The sites and witnesses reported that ambulances were being driven into crowds and officers were making arrests. Riot control forces, some on motorcycles, used tear gas to disperse crowds near Valiasr Square.

Witnesses reported that plain-clothed officers randomly stopped and frisked people on streets and removed them from vehicles. There were reports of policemen firing on the crowds, although because foreign journalists were largely not allowed to report in Iran, that could not be immediately verified ...

***

Libyan Forces Again Fire on Residents at Funerals (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/world/africa/21libya.html?hp)

CAIRO — Libyan security forces opened fire again Sunday on residents of Benghazi as they attended a funeral procession for the dozens of protesters killed there the day before, and quickly crushed three smaller uprisings in working-class suburbs of the capital, Tripoli.

It was the fifth day of protests and violence in what has become the most serious challenge to four decades of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s rule.

There were also large protests on Sunday in Yemen, Tunisia and, for the first time, Morocco.

The escalating violence in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city and the center of the protests, appeared to mark a decisive turn in the protests that have shaken Libya, a North African nation rich in oil.

The shooting at the funeral, where the number of casualties could not immediately be confirmed, reinforced what seems to have become a deadly cycle in a city where thousands have gathered in antigovernment demonstrations: security forces fire on funeral marches, killing more protesters, creating more funerals.

By Sunday morning, the number of confirmed deaths around the country had risen to at least 173 people, most of them in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city, Human Rights Watch reported.

The scope of the crackdown was almost impossible to verify in an isolated country that remains largely off limits to foreign journalists and, as part of the government’s efforts to squelch the protests, has been periodically cut off from the Internet. But doctors reached by Al Jazeera, an Arabic satellite channel, said dozens and perhaps hundreds were killed and wounded in the fighting in Benghazi on Saturday, which persisted into the night.

A Benghazi resident who visited the hospital said by e-mail that 200 were dead and nearly 850 wounded; if confirmed, that would substantially raise the death toll by Human Rights Watch, which reported at least 20 people killed Saturday ...

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 12:51 PM
Libya Today:

Libyan fighter jets given orders to fire on protestors in Benghazi


Libyan Senior Colonel Air Force Pilots Defect to Malta rather than bomb civilians


Libyan Ambassador to UN says Ghaddafi has declared war on his own people and is committing genocide

Al Jazeera English: Live Stream (http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/)

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 12:56 PM
The Revolution will be Tweeted ...

AlanFisher (http://twitter.com/AlanFisher)

Al Jazeera English Correspondent reporting from around the globe.



Al Jazeera Arabic reporting that all landline and wireless communication has been cut in #Libya

#AJArabic report #LLibyan ambassadors to Poland and Bangladesh have resigned

skipperwibo @AlanFisher libyan journalist staffer with netherlands world radio just told dutch tv: khadaffi regime collapsed completely

mbrownerhamlin RT @AlanFisher: Libya ambassador to China quits - calls on army to intervene to stop killing of innocent people #Libya

The Alan Fisher Daily (http://paper.li/AlanFisher)

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 01:04 PM
Updated: Libyan fighter jets arrive in Malta - pilots request asylum

Times of Malta (http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110221/local/two-libyan-fighter-jets-arrive-in-malta-two-helicopters-land)

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 01:12 PM
Warplanes and Militia Fire on Protesters in Libyan Capital

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/world/africa/22libya.html?hp)
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and MONA EL-NAGGAR
February 21, 2011

CAIRO — The faltering government of the Libyan strongman Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi struck back at mounting protests against his 40-year rule, as helicopters and warplanes besieged parts of the capital Monday, according to witnesses and news reports from Tripoli.

By Monday afternoon, a witness saw armed militiamen firing on protesters who were clashing with riot police. As a group of protesters and the police faced off in a neighborhood near Green Square, in the center of the capital, ten or so Toyota pickup trucks carrying more than 20 men — many of them apparently from other African countries in mismatched fatigues.

Holding small automatic weapons, they started firing in the air, and then started firing at protesters, who scattered, the witness said. “It was an obscene amount of gunfire,” said the witness. “They were strafing these people. People were running in every direction.” The police stood by and watched, the witness said, as the militiamen, still shooting, chased after the protesters.

The escalation of the conflict came as Mr. Qaddafi’s security forces had earlier in the day retreated to a few buildings in the Libyan capital of Tripoli, fires burned unchecked, and senior government officials and diplomats announced defections. The country’s second-largest city remained under the control of rebels.

Security forces loyal to Mr. Qaddafi defended a handful of strategic locations, including the state television headquarters and the presidential palace, witnesses reported from Tripoli. Fires from the previous night’s rioting burned at many intersections, most stores were shuttered, and long lines were forming for a chance to buy bread or gas.

In a sign of growing cracks within the government, several senior officials — including the justice minister and members of the Libyan mission to the United Nations — broke with Mr. Qaddafi. And protesters in Benghazi, the second-largest city, where the revolt began and more than 200 were killed, issued a list of demands calling for a secular interim government led by the army in cooperation with a council of Libyan tribes.

Mr. Qaddafi’s security forces waved green flags as they rallied in Tripoli’s central Green Square on Monday under the protection of a handful of police, witnesses said. They constituted one of the few visible signs of government authority around the capital. The once ubiquitous posters of Colonel Qaddafi around the capital had been torn down or burned, witnesses said.

Colonel Qaddafi’s whereabouts were not known ...

© 2011 The New York Times Company

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 01:21 PM
European countries are nervous and unsure (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21625&p=353168&viewfull=1#post353168) ...

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 03:34 PM
Libya’s U.N. Diplomats Break With Qaddafi

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/world/africa/22nations.html?hp)
February 21, 2011

Members of Libya’s mission to the United Nations publicly repudiated Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi on Monday, calling him a genocidal war criminal responsible for mass shootings of demonstrators protesting against his four decades in power. They called upon him to resign.

The repudiation, led by Libya’s deputy permanent representative at a news conference at the mission’s headquarters in New York, amounted to the most high-profile defection of Libyan diplomats in the anti-Qaddafi uprising that has convulsed Libya over the past week.

“We are sure that what is going on now in Libya is crimes against humanity and crimes of war,” the deputy permanent representative, Ibrahim Dabbashi, told reporters in the ground-floor lobby of the Libyan mission on Manhattan’s East Side, adorned by a large portrait of Colonel Qaddafi in tribal dress atop a white horse.

About a dozen of Mr. Dabbashi’s colleagues stood behind him as he spoke, looking tense and nervous.

The news conference was held against the backdrop of many reports coming from Libya about the spreading insurrection against Colonel Qaddafi’s regime and what protesters described as his brutal tactics to suppress them, including reports of warplanes that fired on demonstrators in the capital Tripoli.

“We find it is impossible to stay silent and we have to transfer the voice of the Libyan people to the world,” Mr. Dabbashi said.

“We state clearly that the Libyan mission is a mission for the Libyan people,” he said. “It is not for the regime. The regime of Qaddafi has already started the genocide against the Libyan people.”

Mr. Dabbashi also asserted that Colonel Qaddafi was flying in mercenaries recruited from other, unidentified African countries to crush the uprising. He offered no proof to support his assertion.

“We warn all African countries who are sending their soldiers to with Qaddafi that they will not see their soldiers coming back,” he said.

He called upon Colonel Qaddafi to step down and leave the country “as soon as possible.”

Mr. Dabbashi also said he had not seen the Libyan ambassador since Friday and did not know his whereabouts or whether he shared the opinion of many in his mission.

© 2011 The New York Times Company

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 03:38 PM
Berlusconi responds (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21625&p=353193&viewfull=1#post353193)

Ninjahedge
February 21st, 2011, 04:14 PM
Has his countries populous reached critical mass?

Will it not stand for mercenaries (I love the way they call them "Militia") shooting their citizens?

Will the military fire on these outside agents rather than their own rather than just run away? (Suicide in some cases....)

This is just NOT good... :(

lofter1
February 21st, 2011, 05:30 PM
Just in: Now change in Sudan ...

Sudan President Won’t Run Again

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/world/africa/22sudan.html?hp)
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: February 21, 2011

NAIROBI, Kenya — President Omar Hassan al-Bashir of Sudan, who has been in power for more than 20 years and faces international charges of genocide, will not run for office again after his current term ends in four years, a Sudanese government spokesman said Monday.

Mr. Bashir seized power in 1989 in a military coup and has ruled with an iron fist ever since, crushing or trying to crush numerous rebellions across Sudan. But now, said Rabie A. Atti, a Sudanese government spokesman, Mr. Bashir “has no will to be a president again.”

“He said the chance should be given to the next generation,” Mr. Rabie said. “He will work to establish a real democratic system in our country.”

Mr. Rabie said the decision — and timing — had “nothing, nothing at all” to do with the popular revolts against longstanding autocrats now erupting across the Arab world ...

lofter1
February 22nd, 2011, 09:41 AM
Ben Wedeman, reporting for CNN, has crossed the Egyptian border into Libya.

Wedeman's Twitter feed: bencnn (http://twitter.com/bencnn)

GordonGecko
February 22nd, 2011, 11:37 AM
Libya is going to end up in civil war. Basically Qaddafi is the don of the gangs. He doesn't need to collect taxes because his gangs control the oil wells and he sells every last drop he can pump as soon as it comes out of the ground. So his bank account is flush and he pays armed mercenaries to shoot anyone in the street on sight with a funny look on their face. Protect the oil at all costs regardless of any consequences is his motto. Parts of the country have armed resistance and his army is going to try to pound them into the ground. I think eventually he gets pushed out/killed, but it's going to take time for the opposition to get armed and take out his strategic assets.

lofter1
February 22nd, 2011, 12:17 PM
The lunatic in Libya is making a last desperate effort, declaring he will cleanse Libya "house by house" ...

Chaos Grows in Libya as Strife in Tripoli Intensifies

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/world/africa/23libya.html?hp)
February 22, 2011 12 Noon

TUNIS — Libya appeared to slip further into chaos on Tuesday, as Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi vowed “to fight to the last drop of blood” and clashes intensified between rebels and his loyalists in the capital, Tripoli.

Witnesses described the streets of Tripoli as a war zone. Several residents said they believed that massacres had taken place overnight as forces loyal to Colonel Qaddafi drove through the streets opening fire at will from the back of pickup trucks.

“They would drive around and they would start shooting, shooting, shooting,” said one resident reached by telephone. “Then they would drive like bandits and they would repeat that every hour or so. It was absolute terror until dawn.”

Human Rights Watch said it had confirmed at least 62 deaths in the violence in Tripoli so far, in addition to more than 200 people killed in clashes elsewhere, mostly in the eastern city of Benghazi, where the uprising began last week. Opposition groups estimated that at least 500 people had been killed.

Trying to demonstrate he was still in control, Colonel Qaddafi appeared for a second time on state television, speaking from his residence on the grounds of an army barracks in Tripoli that still showed scars from when the United States bombed it in 1986.

In the long rambling address, he said those challenging his government “deserved to die.” He blamed the unrest on “foreign hands,” a small group of people distributing pills, brainwashing, and the naïve desire of young people to imitate the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.

Without acknowledging the gravity of the crisis in the streets of the capital, he described himself in sweeping, megalomaniacal terms. “Muammar Qaddafi is history, resistance, liberty, glory, revolution,” he declared ...

FULL ARTICLE (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/world/africa/23libya.html?hp)

© 2011 The New York Times Company

Ninjahedge
February 22nd, 2011, 12:25 PM
Yeesh.


Maybe we need a 25 year anniversary bombing of that army barracks.....

MidtownGuy
February 22nd, 2011, 02:38 PM
I would love to see that lousy Qaddafi toppled, and his rotten sons have to go as well.

---

Dr T. : I'm well aware, and sympathize 100%, regarding the Sahrawi. You may be interested in this program from last week on Grit TV which discusses the situation:

http://grittv.org/2011/02/12/monika-kalra-varma-remembering-forgotten-human-rights-struggles/

Laura Flanders is the host of this excellent show.

Western Sahara (and Libya, Egypt, etc.) has also been covered regularly by Amy Goodman on "Democracy Now!" (http://www.democracynow.org/).

lofter1
February 23rd, 2011, 12:11 AM
A message from the mother of Mohammed Bouazizi,
the young fruit vendor whose self-immolation turned the tide in Tunisia ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61m567lqL74

lofter1
February 24th, 2011, 12:00 AM
The situation in Libya as of 02/23/2011 ...

http://i.imgur.com/fhgKl.jpg

lofter1
February 24th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Apparently up-to-date reporting from Libya may be doubtful for the time being.

Not so sure, if I was a reporter on the "OK List," that I'd feel much security from the words of some unnamed official. Sounds more like a potential trap.

Libyan government: Reporters will be treated as Al Qaeda collaborators

FOREIGN POLICY (http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/24/libyan_government_reporters_will_be_treated_as_al_ qaeda_collaborators)
Posted By Josh Rogin
Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 11:22 AM

The Libyan government officially warned the State Department on Thursday that foreign journalists entering Libya would be arrested and treated as al Qaeda collaborators.

"Be advised, entering Libya to report on the events unfolding there is additionally hazardous with the government labeling unauthorized media as terrorist collaborators and claiming they will be arrested if caught," the State Department said in a press release.

The State Department said that Libyan government officials told U.S. diplomats that approved teams of reporters from CNN, BBC Arabic, and Al Arabiya would be allowed into the country, but any other reporters found in Libya would be in danger.

"These same senior officials also said that some reporters had entered the country illegally and that the Libyan government now considered these reporters Al Qaida collaborators," the State Department said.

It was not immediately clear which Libyan government officials issued the warning, but the State Department said it was a "senior official" of the Libyan government. Reporters would be arrested on "immigration charges" and their safety could not be guaranteed, the U.S. diplomats were told.

©2011 THE SLATE GROUP, LLC

Ninjahedge
February 24th, 2011, 12:45 PM
Stupid association.

They should just consider them "enemy conspirators" and be done with it. The Al Qaida association is too specific.

Is this a good translation you think?

GordonGecko
February 24th, 2011, 01:31 PM
Richard Engel from NBC nightly news has some balls on him. This week he just drove into Libya from Egypt and started on a cross country trip. He got mobbed by mostly friendly angry protesters in many places, but I can easily see this little field trip ending very very badly when he makes a wrong turn

scumonkey
February 24th, 2011, 03:01 PM
But he does have one thing in his favor...unlike so many journalistic wannabes over there, he can actually speak the language.

lofter1
February 24th, 2011, 07:26 PM
Stupid association.

They should just consider them "enemy conspirators" and be done with it. The Al Qaida association is too specific.

Is this a good translation you think?

You're talking about the Gaddafi as if he's sane.

From Al Jazeera English Live Blog (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/2011224194724150274.html):



Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, has said in a speech on Libyan state television that al-Qaeda is responsible for the uprising in Libya.

"It is obvious now that this issue is run by al-Qaeda," he said, speaking by phone from an unspecified location on Thursday.

He said that the protesters were young people who were being manipulated by al-Qaeda's Osama bin Laden, and that many were doing so under the influence of drugs.

"No one above the age of 20 would actually take part in these events," he said. "They are taking advantage of the young age of these people [to commit violent acts] because they are not legally liable!"

... In his speech, Gaddafi refered specifically to the protesters in Az Zawiyah, claiming they had been infiltrated by al-Qaeda.

Yet the protesters said they were protesting peaceful protest, and that their demands had nothing to do with al-Qaeda.

"The people here didn't ask for anything, they just asked for a constitution and democracy and freedom, [the protesters] didn't want to shoot anyone" ...



And from the AJE Live Blog (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/24/live-blog-libya-feb-25) later today:



From our lead story (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/2011224194724150274.html) on Libya tonight:


Mustafa Abdel Galil, who resigned three days ago from his post as the country's justice minister, spoke to Al Jazeera at a meeting of tribal leaders and representatives of eastern Libya in the city of Al Baida.

He warned that Gaddafi has biological and chemical weapons, and will not hesitate to use them.

'We call on the international community and the UN to prevent Gaddafi from going on with his plans in Tripoli,' he said.

'At the end when he’s really pressured, he can do anything. I think Gaddafi will burn everything left behind him.'

lofter1
February 24th, 2011, 07:52 PM
And if you don't think he's whacko, there's this (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/24/live-blog-libya-feb-25) (also from AJE Live Blog):

(All times are local in Libya GMT+2)

February 25, 2011



2:45am: In a speech on Thursday, the embattled dictator said he was like the Queen of England (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8345597/Libya-Gaddafi-compares-himself-to-the-Queen-in-latest-rant.html).



You need to listen to your parents. If people disobey their parents they end up destroying the country, he said. The same case as in Britain (where) for 57 years the Queen has been ruling. I have been in the same situation.



2:40am: Twitter user @_Noura posted this to Twitpic:





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lofter1
February 24th, 2011, 07:59 PM
From Liberated Benghazi:

THE FIRST PUBLICATION OF THE FEB17 REVOLUTION PAPER (download to read ) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/49478330/THE-FIRST-PUBLICATION-OF-THE-FEB17-REVOLUTION-PAPER-download-to-read-ليبيا)

lofter1
February 24th, 2011, 11:02 PM
The End is Nigh ...

Libyan Rebels Repel Qaddafi’s Forces Near Tripoli

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Tyler Hicks/The New York Times
Effigies of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi
in Benghazi, Libya, on Thursday.

More Photos » (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/02/23/world/africa/20110224-LIBYA.html)

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/world/africa/25libya.html?hp)
By KAREEM FAHIM and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: February 24, 2011

BENGHAZI, Libya — Rebels seeking to overturn the 40-year rule of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi repelled a concerted assault by his forces on Thursday on cities close to the capital, removing any doubt that Libya’s patchwork of protests had evolved into an increasingly well-armed revolutionary movement.

The series of determined stands by rebel forces on Thursday — especially in the strategic city of Zawiyah, near important oil resources and 30 miles from the capital, Tripoli — presented the gravest threat yet to the Libyan leader. There, more than 100 people were killed as Colonel Qaddafi’s forces turned automatic weapons on a mosque filled with rebels, a witness said. Still, residents rallied afterward to protest ...

FULL ARTICLE (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/world/africa/25libya.html?hp)

© 2011 The New York Times Company

lofter1
February 24th, 2011, 11:11 PM
South Korea drops leaflets into North about Egypt, Libya

REUTERS (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/25/us-korea-north-campaign-idUSTRE71O0SM20110225)
Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:15pm EST

SEOUL

(Reuters) - South Korea's military has been dropping leaflets into North Korea about democracy protests in Egypt and also sent food, medicines and radios for residents as part of a psychological campaign, a legislator said on Friday.

The campaign was aimed at encouraging North Koreans to think about change, conservative South Korean parliament member Song Young-sun said.

The food and medicines were delivered in light-weight baskets tied to balloons with timers programed to release the items above the target areas in the impoverished North, Song said in a statement.

South Korea's defense ministry declined to confirm the move, citing its policy of not commenting on sensitive issues in its dealings with the North.

The food items bore a message that they were sent by the South Korean military and were safe for human consumption but could be fed to livestock to test safety, Song said.

The leaflets also carried news of public protests in Libya against the country's long-time leader, Song's office said.

Analysts say the level of Pyongyang's control over communications and movement of people is too tight to make it likely for North Koreans to rise up to the similar type of protests against their leaders.

© Copyright 2011 Thomson Reuters

lofter1
February 25th, 2011, 07:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2ThlAzZYL8

Ninjahedge
February 25th, 2011, 08:05 AM
Great PS on the TP....... :D

lofter1
February 25th, 2011, 08:22 AM
Mad Dog can only wish his skin looks that good.

Dr.T
February 25th, 2011, 07:06 PM
Code Name Nobel Mariner
NATO gathering at Cartagena (Murcia, Spain)



http://www.downloadmytravelguide.com/sites/www.downloadmytravelguide.com/files/imagecache/320_wide/NATO%20Cartaagena.jpg (http://www.downloadmytravelguide.com/sites/www.downloadmytravelguide.com/files/NATO%20Cartaagena.jpg)



The operation code named ‘Nobel Mariner’ is set to take place in Cartagena (Murcia, Spain) from the 25th Feb - 10th March. It is the largest maritime exercise carried out in Europe and is being organised by NATO to ensure that they ‘are fully prepared to respond, as required, for operations or crisis situations wherever in the world they may occur’.

The exercise will involve 3,500 personnel, up to 20 warships, including frigates, tankers and mine counter measure vessels, together with 4 submarines and 4 aircraft from 11 nations. The vessels are expected to arrive in the naval docks, the cruise ship terminal and the industrial port of Escombreras from the 25th February onwards.

http://www.manw.nato.int/page_Noble_Mariner_home_page_.aspx

http://www.laverdad.es/murcia/20110225/local/cartagena/murcia-llegan-cartagena-buques-201102251917.html

lofter1
February 27th, 2011, 02:47 AM
Getting out while the getting is good ...

Gadhafi's Nurse Says She's Going Home

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703796504576168200000273160.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLETopStories)
By JAMES MARSON
FEBRUARY 26, 2011

MIDDLE EAST NEWS

KIEV, Ukraine—Embattled Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi is set to be deserted by another close ally after his Ukrainian nurse said she was heading home.

Galyna Kolotnytska, described in a diplomatic cable published by Wikileaks as a "voluptuous blond" who "travel[s] everywhere" with Col. Gadhafi, called her family in Kiev on Friday to say she intends to return to Ukraine, her daughter told daily Segodnya.

"Mom got in touch yesterday. She said she was now in Tripoli," Tetyana Kolotnytska said. "She spoke in a calm voice, asked us not to worry and said she'd soon be home."

According to the cable from September 2009, contacts in Tripoli told U.S. diplomats that Col. Gadhafi "relies heavily" on Ms. Kolotnytska, then 38, as "she alone 'knows his routine.'"

The cable also reported claims from unnamed sources that the eccentric Libyan leader and the nurse, part of a retinue of four Ukrainians, "have a romantic relationship."

Ms. Kolotnytska's daughter said her mother had been in Libya for nine years, originally employed in a hospital before starting work for Col. Gadhafi.

"Other Ukrainian women also work for him as nurses. Mom is one of them," she said. "For some reason, he doesn't trust Libyan women with this matter."

Copyright © 2011 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

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Galyna Kolotnytska?

http://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/article-1307344-0af75aca000005dc-191_468x408.jpg?w=640&h=556&h=556
Photo: EPA. DAILY MAIL UK NEWS
Colonel Gadaffi, pictured with the woman widely touted – but unconfirmed – as
being his ‘voluptuous blonde’ Ukrainian nurse, Galyna Kolotnytska.

lofter1
February 27th, 2011, 02:04 PM
The genie is out of the bottle ...

Arabs Embrace Israeli’s YouTube Spoof of Qaddafi Rant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBY-0n4esNY

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/world/middleeast/28youtube.html?hp)
By ISABEL KERSHNER
February 27, 2011

JERUSALEM — A satirical YouTube clip mocking Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s megalomania is fast becoming a popular token of the Libya uprising across Middle East. And in an added affront to Colonel Qaddafi, it was created by an Israeli living in Tel Aviv.

Noy Alooshe, 31, an Israeli journalist, musician and Internet buff, said he saw Colonel Qaddafi’s televised speech last Tuesday in which the Libyan leader vowed to hunt down protesters “inch by inch, house by house, home by home, alleyway by alleyway,” and immediately identified it as a “classic hit.”

“He was dressed strangely, and he raised his arms” like at a trance party, Mr. Alooshe said in a telephone interview on Sunday. Then there were Colonel Qaddafi’s words with their natural beat ...

By the early hours of Wednesday morning Mr. Alooshe had uploaded the remix to YouTube, and began promoting it on Twitter and Facebook, sending the link to the pages of young Arab revolutionaries. By Sunday, the original clip had more than 400,000 hits and had gone viral ...

The original clip features mirror images of a scantily clad woman dancing along to Colonel Qaddafi’s rant. Mr. Alooshe said he got many requests from surfers who asked him to provide a version without the dancer so that they could show it to their parents, which he did ...

Mr. Alooshe said he was a little worried that if the Libyan leader survived, he could send one of his sons after him. But he said it was “also very exciting to be making waves in the Arab world as an Israeli.”

As one surfer wrote in an Arabic talkback early Sunday, “What’s the problem if he’s an Israeli? The video is still funny.” He signed off with the international cyber-laugh, “Hahaha.”

© 2011 The New York Times Company

The more modest version from Noy Alooshe:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GcUutnU2gk

lofter1
February 27th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Paul Wolfowitz Hits Obama On Libya,
Blames Pan Am Families For Bush Policy Toward Gaddafi (VIDEO)

HUFFINGTON POST (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/27/paul-wolfowitz-obama-libya-pan-am-families-bush-gaddafi_n_828797.html)
By Amanda Terkel
February 27, 2011

... Wolfowitz, who served as Deputy Secretary of Defense until June 2005, seemed to imply that he disagreed with some of the administration's decisions at the time, and he thought the president went too far.

"I don't think we had to go nearly as far as we went. There was a lot of pressure from the Pan Am 103 families because they wanted to collect the money that Gadhafi was offered."

Host Fareed Zakaria seemed surprised by Wolfowitz's claim about the Pan Am families and began to ask, "Do you think that's really --"

Wolfowitz replied that at one point, he was told that the pressure from the families was "significant" but added he couldn't prove it ...

Copyright © 2011 TheHuffingtonPost.com, Inc.

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Lockerbie Bomber Reportedly Blackmailed Qaddafi to Secure Release

FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/27/lockerbie-bomber-reportedly-blackmailed-qaddafi-secure-release/)
February 27, 2011

A former Libyan official says Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi blackmailed Libyan strongman Muammar Qaddafi into engineering Megrahi’s release from a Scottish prison by threatening to reveal that the dictator ordered the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing, according to The Telegraph.

The allegation from Mustapha Abdel-Jalil, Libya’s former justice minister, emerged Saturday night as Libya remained in the grip of violence with Qaddafi supporters continuing a brutal crackdown on anti-government protesters.

© 2011 FOX News Network, LLC

lofter1
March 1st, 2011, 07:45 PM
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2011?

From the Al Jazeera English Live Blog for March 2, 2011 (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-2):

(All times are local in Libya GMT+2)



1:22 am US senators John McCain (Republican) and Joe Lieberman (Independent) are just back from a trip across the Middle East and North Africa ... on their visit to Tunisia, the senators said everyone asked them if they could get Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of social networking site Facebook, to visit.

"He was the most popular man in Tunisia," said McCain.


[Also reported by Reuters / Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110302/pl_nm/us_libya_usa_senators)]

GordonGecko
March 1st, 2011, 08:46 PM
In the words of Elaine Benes, SHUT... UP!

Ninjahedge
March 2nd, 2011, 08:11 AM
Jay-Lo could have been the most popular person that everyone asked for, it still will do jack-poop to help the situation.


More proof that people, no matter where you are, are idiots.

GordonGecko
March 2nd, 2011, 10:31 AM
I find it all the more ironic than Mr. Facebook is Jewish and is now so revered in the arab world. Well done

Ninjahedge
March 2nd, 2011, 10:36 AM
That's why they changed the original name from Facebookstein.

lofter1
March 2nd, 2011, 11:26 AM
Jay-Lo could have been the most popular person that everyone asked for, it still will do jack-poop to help the situation.

More proof that people, no matter where you are, are idiots.

J-Lo would just be a diversion from the matter at hand.

Are you claiming that social media has had no impact on the situation now taking place in North Africa and environs?

Look (one of many many examples): http://www.facebook.com/17022011libya (http://www.facebook.com/17022011libya)

And just today this was posted at the AJE Live Blog:



4:45 PM :: A video purportedly of a gun battle has been posted on Facebook - which appears to show close range fighting - with men in camouflage outfits - possibly former military members - shooting up a street to the right, and coming under return fire (origin not seen).

We've had conflicting reports as to whether it was recorded in Brega or Tripoli. It appears to confirm earlier reports of running street gun battles in Brega. If it's in Tripoli, it shows the fighting has got much closer to Gaddafi's stronghold than previously thought.

As with other videos sent to us, we cannot confirm the veracity - or where or when it was filmed.

To check it out, click here (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=183793444995131&oid=197898230226131).

Ninjahedge
March 2nd, 2011, 11:41 AM
No.

What I am saying is that having the founder on there will do very little. Celebrity only goes so far.

So the site has proven valuable, but the sites owner visiting the actual site would yield very little in comparison.

"Ohh look! A famous person is there, we have to send money!" ;) (Where is Sally Struthers when you need her?)

lofter1
March 2nd, 2011, 11:43 AM
I see what you mean.

Doubt that Z-man would want to be going into Libya right now, anyhoo.

lofter1
March 2nd, 2011, 06:15 PM
Gotta be smarter than the guy who wants to keep you down ...

Revolutionary Dates

THE DAILY DISH (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/revolutionary-dating-sites.html)
02 MAR 2011 06:07 PM

Adrian Covert explains (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03/dating-site-is-the-new-hotspot-for-libyan-protest/) how a dating site helped Libya's opposition coordinate:



On a Muslim dating site called Mawada (http://en.mawada.net/), there’s a man with a profile titled “Where Is Miriam?” He will frequently receive messages from other Muslim women which read something along the lines of “may your day be filled with Jasmine.” He’s also quite popular with the ladies, amassing over 171,000 admirers. But neither “Where Is Miriam,” nor his admirers are interested in love. They’re interested in toppling the Libyan regime led by Muammar Gaddafi.

According to ABC News, the dating site had been used over the past couple of weeks as a clandestine location to exchange information and words of encouragement regarding the citizen uprisings in Libya.

Ninjahedge
March 3rd, 2011, 07:59 AM
And it is up to ABC news and The Daily Dish to make suer EVERYONE knows about this clandestine meeting site for the Rebels!!!!!


GJ guys! "News" at the expense of anyone!

GordonGecko
March 3rd, 2011, 01:48 PM
This literally made me laugh out loud ahahahahahahahahaah hahahaha


Too Late, Qaddafi Seeks the Aid of Muslim Clerics
...
“Saadi, Qaddafi’s son, asked me to say a word against the protests,” Sheik Qarni told Al Arabiya television, which is based in Dubai. “I refused to back him because they were killing innocent people, killing old men and peaceful demonstrators.”

Instead of supporting Colonel Qaddafi, the cleric issued a fatwa against him
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/world/africa/03iht-M03-FATWA.html

Ninjahedge
March 4th, 2011, 08:16 AM
Those clerics and their Fatwa's!!!!!

What a funny world we live in!

>sigh<

GordonGecko
March 4th, 2011, 08:57 AM
The irony of course, I must admit I was partially raised on the Simpsons

lofter1
March 4th, 2011, 01:57 PM
From Al Jazeera English Live Blog March 4, 2011 (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-4) ...

11:07am

Ahmed Radwan is an Egyptian vascular surgeon working as a volunteer in eastern Libya. In this video sent to Al Jazeera, he describes the kinds of injuries he's been treating in the last few days.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbBJOYxpxc

ablarc
March 4th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Kudos to Al-Jazeera. What percent of Arabs get their news mainly from Al-Jazeera?

lofter1
March 4th, 2011, 08:28 PM
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera#Expansion_outside_the_Middle_East):


As of 2007, the Arabic Al Jazeera channel rivals the BBC in worldwide audiences with an estimated 40 to 50 million viewers. Al Jazeera English has an estimated reach of around 100 million households.

A recent report ...

Al Jazeera Rises As The Arab Autocracies Tumble (http://www.beinformedjournal.com/beinformed-journal/2011/2/8/al-jazeera-rises-as-the-arab-autocracies-tumble.html)

Tuesday, February 8, 2011


... In an interminable desert of heavily censored news on state controlled media outlets across most of the Arab world, Al Jazeera Arab network's news being broadcast without censorship stood out immediately as an oasis for it's Arab viewers. It was an almost instantaneous success.

Fueled by the success of the Al Jazeera Arab, the network has since grown into many different media outlets, including the Al Jazeera English (AJE) - launched in November 2006. AJE now reaches to more than 220 million households on 6 continents in more than 100 countries ...

AJN's coverage of the recent unrest in the Arab world has hugely increased it's viewership. It has also helped raise it's international profile and improve it's image. Suddenly from a network that is frequently smirked at by many in the west; it has now become a source of news for millions of westerners. It's viewership in US has skyrocketed. AJE ia available in only select markets in the US but it can be watched online. During this recent Arab turmoil, AJE said, "We have seen a 2000 percent increase in hits on our English-language website, and more than 60 percent of that traffic originates in the United States" ...

I wasn't even aware that there's an alternative: ALHURRA TV (http://www.alhurra.com/Index.aspx?ID=0)


ALHURRA (http://www.alhurra.com/sub.aspx?id=266)

ABOUT US

Alhurra’s mission is to provide objective, accurate, and relevant news and information to the people of the Middle East about the region, the world, and the United States. Alhurra supports democratic values by expanding the spectrum of ideas, opinions, and perspectives available in the region’s media.

Alhurra (Arabic for “The Free One”) is primarily news and information programming. The network hosts a number of discussion programs that examine political and social issues of interest to the audience in the Middle East, airing viewpoints not often discussed freely in the region. Through correspondents at the State Department, White House, Congress and the Pentagon, Alhurra illuminates U.S. policies and domestic debates on those policies for Middle Eastern audiences ...

Alhurra is operated by the non-profit corporation “The Middle East Broadcasting Networks, Inc.” (MBN). MBN is financed by the U.S. Government through a grant from the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), an independent federal agency. The BBG serves oversight and as a firewall to protect the professional independence and integrity of the broadcasters.

mariab
March 4th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Al Jazeera Arab network's news being broadcast without censorship stood out immediately as an oasis for it's Arab viewers. It was an almost instantaneous success.

Without censorship? I hope so. Maybe also with the advent of Alhurra plus the crumbling of the dictatorships, more of these networks will keep popping up.

lofter1
March 6th, 2011, 12:23 AM
Libya Crisis Map (http://libyacrisismap.net/main)

Social Media Mapping for Common Operational Datasets

OCHA, UNOSAT and NetHope have been collaborating with the Volunteer Technical Community (VTC) specifically CrisisMappers, Crisis Commons, Open Street Map, and the Google Crisis Response Team over the past week.

The CrisisMappers Standby Task Force (http://blog.standbytaskforce.com/) has been undertaking a mapping of social media, news reports and official situation reports from within Libya and along the borders at the request of OCHA (http://ochaonline.un.org/). The Task Force is also aiding in the collection and mapping of 3W information for the response. UNOSAT is kindly hosting the Common Operational Datasets (http://www.unitar.org/unosat/libya) to be used during the emergency. Interaction with these groups is being coordinated by OCHA’s Information Services Section.

The public version of this map does not include personal identifiers and does not include descriptions for the reports mapped. This restriction is for security reasons. All information included on this map is derived from information that is already publicly available online.

lofter1
March 6th, 2011, 01:55 AM
From Al Jazeera English LIVE BLOG March 6 (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-6-0) ...

(All times are local in Libya GMT+2)

8:13am Al Jazeera has learned that despite UN sanctions, India, China and Austria are still buying Libyan oil, legally. These three oil fields provide Gaddafi's regime with 80 per cent of its revenue. In 2010, exports were around 1.3 million barrels a day, last week it was 600,000 a day.

8:17am The British Ministry of Defence is refusing to confirm or deny a newspaper report saying several of its elite soldiers have been arrested by rebel forces in eastern Libya.

The Sunday Times says up to eight SAS troops were on a secret mission to contact opposition leaders, when they were detained.

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Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/06/uk-britain-libya-sas-idUKTRE72507C20110306) reports ...

Libyan rebels seize British SAS troops - report

LONDON
Sun Mar 6, 2011 1:24am GMT

(Reuters) - Libyan rebels have captured a special forces unit in the east of the country after a secret diplomatic mission to make contact with opposition leaders backfired, the Sunday Times reported.

The team, understood to number up to eight SAS soldiers, were intercepted as they escorted a junior diplomat through rebel-held territory, the newspaper said.

The Foreign Office said in a brief statement it could neither "confirm or deny" the report.

Earlier on Saturday the Geneva-based Human Rights Solidarity group, which employs a number of Libyan exiles, told Reuters by telephone that a team of "eight special forces personnel" had been seized by rebels. Both the Ministry of Defence and Foreign Office repeatedly declined to comment on the group's report.

The SAS intervention apparently angered Libyan opposition figures, who ordered the soldiers locked up on a military base, according to the Sunday Times.

Opponents of long-time Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi fear he could use any evidence of Western military intervention to rally patriotic support away from a two-week-old uprising against his 41-year autocratic rule.

Citing Libyan sources, the Sunday Times said the special forces troops were taken by rebels to Benghazi, Libya's second largest city and epicentre of the insurrection, and hauled before one of its most senior politicians for questioning.

The paper said the junior diplomat they were escorting was preparing the way for a visit by a more senior colleague ahead of establishing diplomatic relations with the rebels.

The Sunday Times said Libyan opposition officials were said to be trying to hush up the incident for fear of a backlash from ordinary Libyans.

(Reporting by Stefano Ambrogi; editing by Mark Heinrich)

© Copyright 2011 Thomson Reuters

lofter1
March 6th, 2011, 02:35 PM
The former leader of Egypt apparently made good use of all that US Aid money (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/29/us-egypt-usa-aid-idUSTRE70S0IN20110129) (beyond keeping his sweet yacht (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/us-military-aid-paid-mubarak-yacht-repair-freedom) seaworthy) ...

What’s inside Mubarak's closet?

Global Public Square / CNN (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/04/hosny-mubaraks-pinstripe-suit/)
Fareed Zakaria
March 4, 2011

... If you look closely at this suit (http://www.styleite.com/media/hosni-mubarak-name-pinstripes/) worn by the recently deposed dictator of Egypt, you’ll see his name actually stitched into the pinstripes. While the spelling is the less common “Hosny" Mubarak, there is no mistaking the man wearing it.

And in case you’re interested in personalizing (http://www.hollandandsherry.com/apparel/signature.aspx) your own set of pinstripes, check out designers Tom James (http://www.tomjames.com/US/news/saints.asp) or Holland & Sherry (http://www.hollandandsherry.com/). Just make sure you have about $25,000 to pay your tailor. And be sure to spell check their work.

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Where money is, money follows.


And as for India, China and Austria.... oil is like Crack. Even though we have the resources to find something else that could work better for us in the long run, this stuff makes us run faster and cheaper than anything else curently on the market.

We ALL need to get off this kick, but the ones that are making the decisions are the ones making money from its sale.

GL on that one!

lofter1
March 9th, 2011, 04:48 PM
Gaddafi's scorched earth:
Libya's skies turn black as
desperate dictator blows up oil pipes
and turns his tanks on civilians

THE DAILY MAIL (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364469/Gaddafi-blows-Libyas-oil-pipes-tanks-turned-civilians.html)
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 6:40 PM on 9th March 2011

Colonel Gaddafi's forces today blasted an oil terminal to smithereens as Libya's bloody civil war entered its blackest day.

Rebels retaliated by firing back with rockets as a fireball exploded from one of the oil tanks and the sky above the Es Sider terminal, in the east of the country, filled with hideous smoke.

A witness said one of the smoke plumes was the biggest he had seen in the conflict so far.

The fresh onslaught came as Gaddafi deployed tanks and snipers to 'shoot anything that moves'.

Forces loyal to the Libyan dictator poured into the city of Zawiyah in a desperate bid to oust the hardcore band of protesters and army defectors who have taken control ...

***

VID at Al Jazeera English (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201139138156335.html):

New air raids hit Libyan oil city

Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have launched new air raids on the oil city of Ras Lanuf and are closing in on the western town of Az Zawiyah.

Fresh reports of rockets landing on Ras Lanuf came on Wednesday, with Al Jazeera's correspondent there saying there was intense fighting taking place between rebels and the government's fighter jets.

"What we are hearing is intense and repeated attacks by Gaddafi's airplanes on the rebels," Jacky Rowland said.

"The air force is concentrating on the big junctions at the entrance to the town. The opposition fighters are extremely panicked."

She said the oil facility there had been hit in three places ...

lofter1
March 9th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Squatters move into Gaddafi son's £11million mansion
demanding it is 'returned to the Libyan people'

THE DAILY MAIL (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364611/Gaddafis-son-Seif-al-Islams-11m-London-mansion-taken-squatters-Topple-Tyrants.html)
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 9:47 PM on 9th March 2011

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Occupied: Squatters unfurl a banner on the roof
of the £11 million property which was on the market until last month

The uprising in Libya has reached a genteel residential street in Britain after squatters occupied a £10million house belonging to Colonel Gaddafi’s son.

A group calling themselves ‘Topple the Tyrants’ said they had taken over the palatial neo-Georgian townhouse belonging to Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, 38.

The squatters, some wearing balaclavas, draped a huge white banner across the building’s roof bearing the slogan ‘Out of Libya, out of London’ and showing Colonel Gaddafi’s face crossed with a thick red line.

The house in Hampstead Garden Suburb, north London – some 1,500 miles from the Libyan capital Tripoli – has its own swimming pool and cinema, and widescreen TVs in every room.

One squatter, who called himself Montgomery Jones, said: ‘We want to make sure the property goes back into the hands of the Libyan people who deserve it.

We’re here for a serious reason, we’re not here to luxuriate. I don’t think what we are doing is legal but I don’t think that’s relevant.’

Another group member, who would not give his name, said: ‘We didn’t trust the British government to properly seize the Gaddafi regime’s corrupt assets so we took matters into our own hands.’

The British government has seized more than £2billion in assets belonging to the Gaddafi family ...

© Associated Newspapers Ltd

lofter1
March 9th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Libya: Gaddafi forces detain and beat BBC team

BBC NEWS AFRICA (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12695077)
9 March 2011 Last updated at 17:01 ET

Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi's security forces detained and beat up a BBC news team who were trying to reach the strife-torn western city of Zawiya.

The trio were beaten with fists, knees and rifles, hooded and subjected to mock executions by members of Libya's army and secret police.

The three men were held for 21 hours, but have now flown out of Libya following their detention on Monday.

Government forces are in a fierce fight to wrest Zawiya from rebel control.

One of the team, Chris Cobb-Smith, said: "We were lined up against the wall. I was the last in line - facing the wall.

"I looked and I saw a plain-clothes guy with a small sub-machine gun. He put it to everyone's neck. I saw him and he screamed at me.

"Then he walked up to me put the gun to my neck and pulled the trigger, twice, the bullets whisked past my ear. The soldiers just laughed."

A second member of the team - Feras Killani, a correspondent of Palestinian descent - is said to have been singled out by their captors for the worst of the violence.

The third member of the team, cameraman Goktay Koraltan, said he was convinced they were going to die.

BBC © MMXI

lofter1
March 12th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Arab League Endorses No-Flight Zone Over Libya

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/world/middleeast/13libya.html?hp)
By ETHAN BRONNER and KAREEM FAHIM
March 12, 2011

CAIRO — The Arab League asked the United Nations Security Council on Saturday to impose a no-flight zone over Libya in hopes of halting Colonel Muammar Qaddafi’s attacks on his own people as his forces pushed rebels further east in the three-week old civil war.

The unexpected move by the 22-nation bloc now adds pressure on Western nations, who have insisted that Libya’s neighbors endorse such move before taking military action.

Amr Moussa, the secretary general of the Arab League, told a news conference that the point of the no-flight zone request was to protect ordinary people and that as soon as the crisis in Libya concluded, the zone should be ended.

“Our one goal is to protect the civilian population in Libya after what has been reported of attacks and casualties in a very bloody situation,” he said.

In Libya, forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi pushed the rebels eastward, and strengthened their hold around Tripoli, the capital.

In Benghazi, the center of rebel power in eastern Libya, the deputy leader of the opposition’s shadow government pleaded with international officials to impose a no-flight zone in order to give his fighters a chance to reverse the losses of the past few days.

“If the international community chooses to play the role of bystander,” said the official, Abdul Hafidh Ghoga, the vice chairman of the shadow government, the Libyan National Council, “we will have to defend ourselves.”

The Arab League decision was considered a major victory for supporters of a no-flight zone, but its prospects were far from assured.

A no-flight zone would require military aircraft — almost certainly many from Western countries — to patrol the skies of Libya and could entail combat with Libyan aircraft if they attempted to violate the zone.

American officials have said the United Nations Security Council would have to approve such an action before the United States would take part. A proposal at the Council by Britain and France has so far faced strong opposition from China and Russia.

Reacting to the Arab League decision, a diplomat from one Security Council member state, reached by telephone, said, “It will be helpful, but there are quite a lot of reservations around the Council table still.” ...

FULL ARTICLE (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/world/middleeast/13libya.html?hp)

© 2011 The New York Times Company

Ninjahedge
March 14th, 2011, 08:44 AM
Great.

They tell us that it is OK for us to protect them.......


I wonder how much they will pay us.....

scumonkey
March 17th, 2011, 06:57 PM
U.N. imposes no-fly zone over Libya (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/17/u-n-imposes-no-fly-zone-over-libya/)
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/17/u-n-imposes-no-fly-zone-over-libya/

March 17th, 2011

The U.N. Security Council on Thursday imposed a no-fly zone extending over all of Libya to try to halt Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's mounting attacks against rebel positions.
The resolution states that "all necessary means" can be used to enforce the no-fly zone. Flights to provide humanitarian aid, medicine or for evacuations are exempt.
The vote was 10 for, none against and five abstentions.
FULL STORY (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/17/libya.civil.war/index.html)


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Dr.T
March 19th, 2011, 05:07 AM
http://www.abc.es/Media/201103/18/libia2--644x362.JPG
Image courtesy of: http://www.abc.es/20110319/internacional/alminuto-directo-ultimas-noticias-201103182227.html (http://www.abc.es/20110319/internacional/alminuto-directo-ultimas-noticias-201103182227.html)


Fighter aircraft of troops loyal to Colonel Gaddafi is shot down in flight over the city of Benghazi this morning...

lofter1
March 19th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Later reports stated that the jet was under the control of the rebels.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nUrxp74Hgg

Dr.T
March 19th, 2011, 08:59 PM
Later reports stated that the jet was under the control of the rebels.




The situation in Libya is very confusing now, but if the downed jet this morning was under control of the rebel troops, then these people do not seem as helpless as it pretends from France because they've got Mig 27 units in use in this combat . This issue still seems to me a matter of internal politics of Libya and should be considered as a Civil War within that nation.

I do not think that Colonel Gaddafi is a example of democrat, but the rebels (I use that word because that is what the Penal Code applies to those who rise up against the government of a nation) does not inspire much sympathy. I think the best thing for Europe is that this matter is over as soon as possible and I do not care who wins the civil war. Gaddafi is a stupid clown, but rebels could be worse than the Colonel in the future, because maybe they seem very radicals for Occidental Civilization.

lofter1
March 20th, 2011, 02:28 AM
The rebels have many former Gaddafi military men who turned against what they determined was failed leadership. That's probably how they got control of the jet that was taken down.

As long as the world is buying Libyan oil they / we can't pretend that it's only an internal fight.

Dr.T
March 20th, 2011, 06:05 AM
I do not want to talk about the Western Sahara because this thread is about Libya, but then I suppose French jets have to go to the Canary Islands to fly over Rabat (¿?). Gaddafi is a genocide, but Mohammed VI (King of Morocco) is doing worse things with the Saharawi people since 1978. In Spain, people think that President Rodríguez Zapatero is a coward because he sends Spaniard troops (1 submarine, 1 frigate, 8 fighter jets) in a military operation in Libya, however, refrains from acting in the Western Sahara. A sort of hypocrisy! What should be the next chapter of this story? Maybe Bahrain, Yemen, Iran, Western Sahara... ? :rolleyes:

Fabrizio
March 20th, 2011, 09:14 AM
^ From today's NYTimes:

"There are risks, though. One widely held concern is the possibility of a divided Libya with no clear authority, opening the door for Islamic extremists to begin operating in a country that had been closed to them. The operation may also present a double standard: While the West has taken punitive action against Libya, a relatively isolated Arab state, the governments in Bahrain and Yemen have faced few penalties after cracking down on their own protest movements."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/world/africa/21libya.html?hp

lofter1
March 20th, 2011, 10:45 AM
5 questions few are asking about Libya

arabist.net (http://www.arabist.net/blog/2011/3/20/5-questions-few-are-asking-about-libya.html)
By Issandr El Amrani
March 20, 2011

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but while I'm glad that the multinational intervention is giving cover to Libyan insurgents, I'm rather shocked at the desultory coverage of what might come out of the military intervention. A tragedy has been taking place in Libya, whose people deserve help, but that doesn't mean not thinking through consequences. Here's a shot at it:

1. UNSC Resolution 1973 isn't really about getting a ceasefire, is it?

Not really. Even if Qadhafi were to produce a real ceasefire, which is unlikely, the rebels would not observe it: they would keep trying to topple the regime. This resolution, under the guise of obtaining a ceasefire, seeks to carry out regime change ... This resolution is not just about preventing a massacre of civilians, it's about taking sides ... mission creep will ensure that things will swiftly move from imposing a no-fly zone to more direct efforts, including ground missions. This might be good for the insurgents, might split them, and might not be so good for the countries leading the intervention ...

2. But what if Qadhafi hangs in there, and there's a stalemate?

Well, prolonged civil war happens ... Although the insurgents have insisted on a united Libya, the fact is that historically there is strong regionalism in the country ... The international community could be moved to escalate the mission to make it officially regime change, or push other actors ... Some openly advocate for Egypt to invade Libya ... no one has asked Egypt whether it wants that role. It also has to think about thousands of Egyptians the regime might hold hostage there.

3. What happens if Qadhafi is toppled but the remnants of the regime, perhaps backed by some measure of tribal or other popular support, remains in place?

The best way to end the bloodshed would clearly be to decapitate the Qadhafi regime, something the insurgents are probably not able to do for now and the international community is likely to refrain from carrying out initially ... splits in the international community would resurface ... the West and the Arabs have already backed the rebels. It gets more complicated in the Qadhafis are gone ... the insurgents may not want anyone associated with the former regime in place. So prolonged civil war is one possible outcome ...

4. What if the insurgents don't want to negotiate?

Once empowered, the insurgents will naturally want to go all the way and topple Qadhafi. I totally support them in that endeavor. But we don't know much about them, or how they might behave towards non-combatants that back the Qadhafi regime. I'm sure any violence against civilians by insurgents will be ignored by the intervention force in the fog of war, but this is possible only to a certain extent before it becomes embarrassing, particularly as UNSC Resolution 1973 gives a mandate to protect civilians from everybody, not just the Qadhafi regime. Sometimes the good guys can be bad guys, as we saw in Darfur (both in terms of the stalled peace process and in terms of the actions of certain Darfuri groups).

5. What is the most desirable outcome?

Obviously, to see Qadhafi toppled. But that's only step one. We don't know what the insurgents want aside from a Qadhafi-free Libya. We don't know what Western powers (if they are united on this) want to see. We don't know what the Arabs want to see ... Ideally, a new government emerge that is generally seen as legitimate by Libyans and works to prevent further splits, paving the way for the creation of a new political system (a constitution, parliament, etc.) ... We just don't know what the political forces are on the ground.

lofter1
March 20th, 2011, 11:19 AM
The situation in Libya is very confusing now, but if the downed jet this morning was under control of the rebel troops, then these people do not seem as helpless as it pretends from France because they've got Mig 27 units in use in this combat .


It's now reported that the rebels themselves mistakenly shot down their own plane (@ 1:48 in the vid):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwMn-3lhCf0

lofter1
March 20th, 2011, 11:28 AM
"For the rebels, a victory by proxy ... "

Al Jazeera's Alan Fisher reports.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb-X14nH9kw

Dr.T
March 20th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Often criticized Gaddafi is a dictator, but not everything that the colonel has done is wrong because Libya is one of the most advanced countries in the Arab world. The situation in Libya is not like Egypt or Tunisia. In this absurd war, initiated by French, British and Americans there is only one objective: control the oil fields of Libya. It's the same story from Iraq ... A terrible political mistake!

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:2010_UN_Human_Development_Report_.png

Fabrizio
March 20th, 2011, 05:09 PM
The Huffpost offers this reassuring headline...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/ronaldo/HUFF.jpg

lofter1
March 20th, 2011, 05:18 PM
Why do you leave out Canada which, along with the 3 countries you mention, is part of Phase I operations for the Libyan No Fly Zone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_no-fly_zone) under UN Resolution 1973 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973) (SEAD :: Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Enemy_Air_Defenses))

Don't forget: Spain is on board, too -- One of the many countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_no-fly_zone#Forces_committed) taking part in Phase II (CAP :: Combat Air Patrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_air_patrol)):



Spanish Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero announced that the Spanish Armed Forces is participating with four F-18 fighters, one tanker aircraft, the F100 frigate Méndez Núñez, the submarine Tramontana and one CN-235 MPA maritime surveillance plane.

Plus Spain is offering use of 3 Spanish bases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_no-fly_zone#Bases_committed) for the military operations:



Rota, Morón, Torrejón

lofter1
March 20th, 2011, 05:20 PM
The Huffpost offers this reassuring headline...


Just the US? Italy and others (http://dawnwires.com/investment-news/libya-oil-who-buys-how-much-from-libya-italy-leads-the-way/) need Libyan oil more than we do.

Fabrizio
March 20th, 2011, 05:25 PM
^ Do not confuse my posts with Dr.T please. Italy's dependece (co-dependence) on Libya has been posted by me previously in the thread. BTW: the word that I got all day over here from both left and right is that people are absolutely pissed off about our involvement. I wonder about our government's will in all of this, which I think is rather weak... but even so...it does not bode well for the Berlusconi government. Sarkozy's poll numbers have gone instantly down.

Dr.T
March 20th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Why do you leave out Canada which, along with the 3 countries you mention, is part of Phase I operations for the Libyan No Fly Zone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_no-fly_zone) under UN Resolution 1973 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973) (SEAD :: Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Enemy_Air_Defenses))

Don't forget: Spain is on board, too -- One of the many countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_no-fly_zone#Forces_committed) taking part in Phase II (CAP :: Combat Air Patrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_air_patrol)):


Spanish Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero announced that the Spanish Armed Forces is participating with four F-18 fighters, one tanker aircraft, the F100 frigate Méndez Núñez, the submarine Tramontana and one CN-235 MPA maritime surveillance plane.
Plus Spain is offering use of 3 Spanish bases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_no-fly_zone#Bases_committed) for the military operations:


Rota, Morón, Torrejón


Canada? This country, on North border of the United States, has a gross domestic product less than Spain or Italy, is a second level power. Do not forget, apart from being militarily inferior to Spain or Italy.

When you talk about Spain, the question is: do you know what says Spanish Primer Minister Rodríguez Zapatero about U.S. ?,... I explain to you because you can not read in Spanish. According ZP (Rodríguez Zapatero): " Americans are murderers of helpless children in Iraq and oil thieves". Have you forgotten that ZP is the friend of Chavez and Castro? Do you remember when ZP leaves to Americans in Irak ? My friend @lofter1, ... ZP has 5 million unemployed in Spain today and everyone wants step down the power, take a look to the polls !. Libya's War comes very well to ZP for the newspapers don't talk about the economic crisis in Spain for a few weeks. Will be local elections in coming May at Spain and his political party (PSOE) will suffer the worst defeat on history of Spanish democracy.
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The submarine S-74 (named Tramontana) sent by Spain to Libya is based in Cartagena and it's over 25 years old. It is a waste! F-18A aircrafts (McDonell Douglas) were purchased by Spain to the U.S. in 1992, are old stuff. Why not send the modern warships and Eurofighter jets to Libya ? Spaniard Government has sold more than € 70 Million of armament to Libya since 2009 till today. Don't forget, Lofter1 !!!. Colonel Gaddafi is a great client of Spain and a great friend of Primer Minister Rodríguez Zapatero !!!.

Unforgettable video clip of S-74 Tramontana in 2007, a "legend of the seas" !!! hahaha :rolleyes:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0CIK3B3qg

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Fabrizio, my nick is Dr.T, do you understand ? In Spain is very famous brand of pork bologna called "Fabrizio", if you want we can talk about it

lofter1
March 20th, 2011, 10:14 PM
So Spain is just pretending to support the No Fly Zone and the American Baby Killers?

Or is ZP positioning himself so his countrymen can get some of that needed Libyan oil?

Maybe ZP will have Gaddafi move in as a roommate?

Dr.T
March 20th, 2011, 10:43 PM
ZP seeks only to buy time for national elections in Spain in 2012, because he knows very well that local elections are lose for his political party on May 2011. ZP hates to US and everybody know what he think about americans. Do you remember when Gaddafi visits to Seville city only 3 years ago ? Do you remember the presents between Gaddafi and ZP ? hahaha... Gaddaffi was a great friend of ZP because ZP is anti-american and a good friend of Hugo Chávez, Evo Morales or Fidel Castro. Who are members of Civilizations Alliance? Turky, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, Siria, Bolivia... and Spain.

NO FLY ZONE: What is it for you? My home in Spain is only 45 minutes fly away to Libya. If you start a war in Libya then you must to destroy and kill to Colonel Gaddafi, because Libya is close to our homes and he's very dangerous as an enemy.

http://www.laopiniondemurcia.es/comunidad/2011/03/20/cuarenta-cinco-minutos-libia/310114.html

Maybe Americans thinks of Gaddafi is like Fidel Castro, but then they're wrong.

This war is stupid, it's a internal affair of Libya. Britain, Americans and French only want Libya's oil to them.

Fabrizio
March 21st, 2011, 03:18 AM
Fabrizio, my nick is Dr.T, do you understand ? In Spain is very famous brand of pork bologna called "Fabrizio", if you want we can talk about it
Pork Bologna.... mmmmmm....

Anyway. Sorry Dr.T. for the mix-up.

I corrected my post, see above.

lofter1
March 21st, 2011, 12:49 PM
This war is stupid, it's a internal affair of Libya. Britain, Americans and French only want Libya's oil to them.

And what of Spain? Seems you acknowledge the danger of Gaddafi, and also acknowledge the links between Spain & the Libyan regime, but continue to point to others as the ones who should do the dirty work.

This whole episode exposes the BS of so much international politics. For weeks both the left and the right around the world have been clamoring for action to halt Gaddafi's evil deeds. Last week the Arab countries backed the action, only to run scared once it started. In Russia, Putin and Medvedev are having a pissing match:



March 21 5:54pm (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-21-0): Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian president, has slammed prime minister Vladimir Putin's comments on military action against Libya as "unacceptable", in the most public clash yet between Russia's ruling tandem.

Putin earlier Monday denounced the UN resolution allowing military action on Libya as resembling a "medieval call to crusade", in one of his most virulent diatribes against the West in years.

I've no military training and don't fully understand what it takes to accomplish the No Fly Zone that so many called for, but the world can't have it both ways: Either Gaddafi and crew are taken down or else we have to sit back, shut up and witness the slaughter. And then buy the oil from whoever is left in charge.

ZippyTheChimp
March 21st, 2011, 01:06 PM
Canada? This country, on North border of the United States, has a gross domestic product less than Spain or Italy, is a second level power. Do not forget, apart from being militarily inferior to Spain or Italy.So where does Spain fit in here...a "first and three quarter" level power? Maybe "second and one eighth level power."

GDP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29)

Military expenditures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures)

lofter1
March 21st, 2011, 01:44 PM
In Bahrain, the desperate pro-government propogandists offer an "analysis" of an interaction between a protestor and police, claiming the protestor is faking it (and completely dismissing the fact that the police were firing rubber bullets) ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHK2CcUE67g

Fabrizio
March 21st, 2011, 03:04 PM
I've no military training and don't fully understand what it takes to accomplish the No Fly Zone that so many called for, but the world can't have it both ways: Either Gaddafi and crew are taken down or else we have to sit back, shut up and witness the slaughter. And then buy the oil from whoever is left in charge.

But can't we bring back the poison tipped umbrellas and stuff? Something a little more elegant with less spillover?

lofter1
March 21st, 2011, 04:30 PM
Gaddafi is a sucker for golden robes.

Too bad Medea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_(play)) isn't around when she's really needed :cool:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jRu3H4cyg4k/TW4AxLV2feI/AAAAAAAAAkk/YEymK34HHKY/s1600/gadaffi.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BaabZGe_Uf8/SY0gkVzyXHI/AAAAAAAAGo8/-0Xz7aKikVw/s400/libyaf.jpg

http://im.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/03nlook1.jpg

http://www.newsdire.com/uploads/posts/2010-01/1264894954_ap_au_gaddafi_ping_2009_27jan10.jpg

http://www.biblediscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gadaffi-gold-robe.jpg

GordonGecko
March 21st, 2011, 04:37 PM
https://wiki.brown.edu/confluence/download/attachments/59639610/flav.jpg

Dr.T
March 21st, 2011, 06:21 PM
And what of Spain? Seems you acknowledge the danger of Gaddafi, and also acknowledge the links between Spain & the Libyan regime, but continue to point to others as the ones who should do the dirty work.

This whole episode exposes the BS of so much international politics. For weeks both the left and the right around the world have been clamoring for action to halt Gaddafi's evil deeds. Last week the Arab countries backed the action, only to run scared once it started. In Russia, Putin and Medvedev are having a pissing match:


March 21 5:54pm (http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-21-0): Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian president, has slammed prime minister Vladimir Putin's comments on military action against Libya as "unacceptable", in the most public clash yet between Russia's ruling tandem.

Putin earlier Monday denounced the UN resolution allowing military action on Libya as resembling a "medieval call to crusade", in one of his most virulent diatribes against the West in years.
I've no military training and don't fully understand what it takes to accomplish the No Fly Zone that so many called for, but the world can't have it both ways: Either Gaddafi and crew are taken down or else we have to sit back, shut up and witness the slaughter. And then buy the oil from whoever is left in charge.


This is another stupid war started by the Americans and the British (now joined the French). It is difficult to explain this matter: Americans destroy Gaddafi's army but can not kill him ... hahahaha

Fabulous!

This story reminds me that another few decades ago when the Americans bombed the Kuwait desert for weeks and finally did not go into Baghdad to capture Saddam Hussein.

Incredible!

Everyone is tired of the lies of the Americans and the British ( do you remember when they told us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and Collin Powell visited to UN Security Council to explain this lie?).

We all know very well what the reason because France, Britain and United States attack against Libya: they do not control the oil fields of this country. That is the reason why there will never be an intervention in Bahrain because it is a country controlled by Saudi Arabia and the British oil companies .

The same applies to the Western Sahara: the French and Americans are allies of Morocco and are stealing their natural resources, so never be a UN resolution to attack Morocco.

If you want we can talk about China and Tiananmen Square?

You are an American (@lofter1) and therefore you intend to defend the same hypocrites ideas that your government in the White House, but others (as me ) do not think alike ... Do not forget!

2 weeks ago, many Arabs believed that Colonel Muammar Gaddafi was a dictator, today there are millions of Arabs who think he's a hero because he is fighting against the Americans again.

By the way, who is the new world leader? Perhaps a Frenchman named Sarkozy? Fabulous !,.... hahaha Where is Obama and Hillary Clinton?

Dr.T
March 21st, 2011, 06:32 PM
So where does Spain fit in here...a "first and three quarter" level power? Maybe "second and one eighth level power."

GDP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29)

Military expenditures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures)



Oh my God, the great ZippyTheChimp is here ! hahaha

Do you remember a few months ago in Western Sahara thread when you said me that currently the only problem for United States was located in North Korea ? I answer to you that the problem for the world was located in North Africa.

Fabulous !

A few months after this discussion in the forum, U.S. Air Force is flying over Tripoli...

Congrats Zippy ! Absolutely,...you are great seer !

ZippyTheChimp
March 21st, 2011, 07:31 PM
Do you remember a few months ago in Western Sahara thread when you said me that currently the only problem for United States was located in North Korea ?Please show me the post where I said that Korea was "currently the only problem for the United States."


A few months after this discussion in the forum, U.S. Air Force is flying over Tripoli...Please show me where I drew any comparisons between Western Sahara and Libya.

And please explain why you quoted my response to your statement that Canada is a "second rate power" and ignored it completely.

Quote by someone semi-famous:
I pity the fool.

lofter1
March 22nd, 2011, 12:12 AM
You are an American (@lofter1) and therefore you intend to defend the same hypocrites ideas that your government in the White House, but others (as me ) do not think alike ... Do not forget!


Show me where I defend the American action in Libya.

btw: Are viewing this from Spain or Russia (it seems you list both for your Location)?

And the biggest hypocrite described here was Dr. T's version of Zapatero (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24526&p=355642&viewfull=1#post355642).

ZippyTheChimp
March 22nd, 2011, 12:20 AM
Show & Tell time for Dr T. :)

Ninjahedge
March 22nd, 2011, 08:36 AM
Dr. T.

Just one quickie:


Read.


Do not confuse the people posting here as blind patriots willing to cast blame on all others but their own. This conflict was never something directly against the US, but some are trying to do so because the US is such an easy scapegoat.

People like Putin know it is still easy to get Russians to hate the US, and he also knows he does not need to spend ANY money to decry the attacks, but would have to spend money were he to support it (Well, if you AGREE, where are your planes Vladimir?). It is an easy sell for him so long as he does not want to make any friends outside of Russia and its closest allies.

Lofter and Zip seem to be ones that are indeed HIGHLY critical of things that the US has done that do not meed their own standards. You bring in examples, such as "Irak", that somehow we are into defending ourselves and supporting the killing of innocents, but a simple journey into the threads about the IRAQ war would reveal that we are not afraid to point fingers at our own leaders when the blam is more easily seen.

Others may not do this, especially popular "pundits" who make money off of getting people all riled up on half truths and innuendo.

So knock it off with this nationalistic BS and get back to the roots.

MidtownGuy
March 22nd, 2011, 09:36 AM
Oh boy, get a load of the latest blather from the T-bag!
LMAO.
Just notice how Spain is perfect...God's gift to the globe....marvelous how his country is so kind and clean! I wish I could paste little sparkles and rainbows around the name "Spain" every time I see it.

Dr.T
March 22nd, 2011, 01:44 PM
Dr. T.

Just one quickie:


Read.


Do not confuse the people posting here as blind patriots willing to cast blame on all others but their own. This conflict was never something directly against the US, but some are trying to do so because the US is such an easy scapegoat.

People like Putin know it is still easy to get Russians to hate the US, and he also knows he does not need to spend ANY money to decry the attacks, but would have to spend money were he to support it (Well, if you AGREE, where are your planes Vladimir?). It is an easy sell for him so long as he does not want to make any friends outside of Russia and its closest allies.

Lofter and Zip seem to be ones that are indeed HIGHLY critical of things that the US has done that do not meed their own standards. You bring in examples, such as "Irak", that somehow we are into defending ourselves and supporting the killing of innocents, but a simple journey into the threads about the IRAQ war would reveal that we are not afraid to point fingers at our own leaders when the blam is more easily seen.

Others may not do this, especially popular "pundits" who make money off of getting people all riled up on half truths and innuendo.

So knock it off with this nationalistic BS and get back to the roots.

Yes, you're right @Ninja.
I only want to discuss with my "friend" @Zippy hahaha :D
Everyone know who started Irak's War: USA, UK and Spain after Azores' Covenant

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab92/lunarossa_sanpete/second%20part/azores3.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab92/lunarossa_sanpete/second%20part/azores2.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab92/lunarossa_sanpete/second%20part/azores1.jpg


Don't worry Ninja, it was a provocation (joke) against @Zippy hahaha :rolleyes:

See you !

Dr.T
March 22nd, 2011, 01:49 PM
Oh boy, get a load of the latest blather from the T-bag!
LMAO.
Just notice how Spain is perfect...God's gift to the globe....marvelous how his country is so kind and clean! I wish I could paste little sparkles and rainbows around the name "Spain" every time I see it.

Spain is not perfect MTG!,,,, we've got our country full of ill palm-trees !
Don't forget ! hahaha ;)

scumonkey
March 22nd, 2011, 06:37 PM
Gaddafi’s son ‘killed in kamikaze pilot attack on barracks’

http://patriotupdate.com/4531/gaddafis-son-killed-in-kamikaze-pilot-attack-on-barracks

March 21, 2011
http://patriotupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gadhafi-son-150x150.jpgColonel Gaddafi suffered a massive personal setback today when one of his sons was allegedly killed in a suicide air mission on his barracks.
Khamis, 27, who runs the feared Khamis Brigade that has been prominent in its role of attacking rebel-held areas, is said to have died on Saturday night.
A Libyan air force pilot crashed his jet into the Bab al-Aziziya compound in Tripoli in a kamikaze attack, Algerian TV reported following an unsubstantiated claim by an anti-Gaddafi media organisation.
Khamis is alleged to have died of burns in hospital. The regime denied the reports.
It was claimed he died in the same compound hit by RAF cruise missiles hit by coalition forces last night.

MidtownGuy
March 23rd, 2011, 10:31 AM
Yes, the red palm weevil is causing destruction in your country's palms. It's unfortunately true.
http://www.simplynetworking.es/calida-595-66-11-the_red_palm_weevil_in_murcia_spain__important.htm l

^That article refers specifically to your neck of the woods: Murcia. It's not a joke, hahaha, it's sad.:rolleyes:
Like mental retardation.

lofter1
March 23rd, 2011, 07:04 PM
Damned Immigrant Bugs! Or, maybe: Damned Climate Change!!

Ninjahedge
March 24th, 2011, 08:22 AM
Terrurist bugz I tell ya!!!

They are wearing little turbans with a spot on their head praying to Buddah I tells ya!!!! :crosseyed:

lofter1
March 24th, 2011, 02:00 PM
The latest from NMATV, with voice over in both English and Chinese ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KORBOTrPt6o

Dr.T
March 24th, 2011, 06:39 PM
Yes, the red palm weevil is causing destruction in your country's palms. It's unfortunately true.
http://www.simplynetworking.es/calida-595-66-11-the_red_palm_weevil_in_murcia_spain__important.htm l

^That article refers specifically to your neck of the woods: Murcia. It's not a joke, hahaha, it's sad.:rolleyes:
Like mental retardation.


There isn't a serious epidemic. Today there are already several methods to combat it pretty good and its destructive effect has been greatly reduced. In reality, the palm trees of population affected is very small.

I would argue that the issue is exaggerated by people who speak from a distance and do not really know the subject. I guess when you read in the press issues, then you think are true and that all the palm trees of a country are sick. The affected population probably did not get to 0.01%

Cheers :rolleyes:

MidtownGuy
March 24th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Good news T bag.

Dr.T
March 24th, 2011, 07:38 PM
Good news T bag.

See you "mariquita roja"... hahaha :rolleyes:

MidtownGuy
March 25th, 2011, 10:33 AM
OK pinga :)

ZippyTheChimp
March 26th, 2011, 07:09 PM
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110322-libyashoes-da.photoblog900.jpg

Ninjahedge
March 28th, 2011, 08:10 AM
Style, on a battlefield, gets you killed.

MidtownGuy
March 29th, 2011, 11:54 AM
just think....seems less than a year ago, we were being told that Muslims never speak up against....well...whatever. :rolleyes:

ZippyTheChimp
April 11th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Photos - Libya Civil War (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/04/libyas-shifting-civil-war/100043/)

scumonkey
May 1st, 2011, 07:14 PM
1 May 2011 Last updated at 15:15 ET 1 May 2011 Last updated at 15:15 ET

Libya crisis: UN to quit Tripoli amid mob attacks


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52445000/jpg/_52445814_52445813.jpg


The villa in Col Gaddafi's compound was severely damaged in the strike

Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13253896#story_continues_1) Libya Crisis (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12480844)



Backfiring tactics? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13252192)
Tripoli witness: Dying for fuel (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13222425)
The Gaddafi story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12688033)
Gaddafi's bolt-hole (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12831594)



The UN is withdrawing all its international staff from the Libyan capital Tripoli following a mob attack on its offices.
UN buildings and some foreign missions were targeted by angry crowds following a Nato air strike that reportedly killed a son of Col Gaddafi.
A UN official told the BBC its staff would withdraw from Libya and the decision would be reviewed next week.
After its Tripoli embassy was sacked, the UK expelled the Libyan ambassador.
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13253896#story_continues_2) At the scene

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52438000/jpg/_52438988_frasergrab.jpg Christian Fraser BBC News, Tripoli
A UN official here on a humanitarian mission confirmed that overnight the offices of the UN had been ransacked.
As the reported death of Saif al-Arab Gaddafi spread around the city, there were angry demonstrations, seemingly more spontaneous than those we have witnessed so far.
UN officials say they have expressed their concerns to the Libyan government who have since apologised, blaming an angry mob for the damage.
The UN lost seven of its staff recently in the storming of a UN compound in Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan. It seems they are not about to take risks here and, according to this official, they are now withdrawing all their international staff.

A BBC team in Tripoli said the British embassy was completely burnt out with fires still smouldering and paperwork and other debris scattered outside.
In other developments, witnesses reported heavy shelling by pro-Gaddafi forces on the port of Misrata on Sunday. The city has been besieged for two months.
Libyan state TV said the port was shelled to stop Nato delivering weapons to insurgents but rebels said an aid ship had been trying to unload.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said Libyan ambassador Omar Jelban had been given 24 hours to leave the country.
By not protecting diplomatic missions, the Gaddafi regime had "once again breached its international responsibilities and obligations", said Mr Hague.
He added: "The attacks against diplomatic missions will not weaken our resolve to protect the civilian population in Libya."
The Italian foreign ministry condemned the "acts of vandalism" on its embassy, describing them as "grave and vile". Italy - which closed its embassy in March and is represented by Turkey - recently joined the Nato mission in Libya.
There were also protests outside the US mission in Tripoli.
A UN official said the Libyan government had apologised for the attack on its offices, blaming an angry mob for the damage.
Most Western governments evacuated staff from Tripoli when an international coalition began air strikes on Libya several weeks ago.
Late on Saturday, the Libyan government said Saif al-Arab Gaddafi and three of Col Gaddafi's grandchildren had died in a Nato attack on a villa in Tripoli.

for full story:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13253896

ZippyTheChimp
June 5th, 2011, 11:05 AM
http://af.reuters.com/resources/images/logo_reuters_media_africa.gif



Arabs see Yemen as turning point for uprisings

Sun Jun 5, 2011 1:38pm GMT

By Yasmine Saleh and Edmund Blair

CAIRO, June 5 (Reuters) - Many ordinary Arabs claimed another scalp on Sunday in their quest to oust the region's autocrats and dismissed the idea that Yemen's president would ever return to power after treatment in Saudi Arabia.

President Ali Abdullah Saleh, wounded in an attack on his palace in the Yemeni capital last week, underwent surgery to remove shrapnel on Sunday. A party official said he would return to Sanaa to resume his duties. Few believe he will.

"This signifies the fall of the third Arab authoritarian regime and will give a massive boost to those fighting in Syria and Libya," said 27-year-old Egyptian banker, Hussein Khalil, who was among protesters who brought down Egypt's president.

In January, Tunisia's Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali fled to Saudi Arabia after stepping down. About a month later, on Feb. 11, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak quit amid protests. He vowed not to leave Egypt and now faces graft and murder charges.

Protests have spread, notably to Yemen, Syria, Libya and Bahrain, where other Arab rulers have been in power for decades. But protesters in these states have come up against rulers determined to hold on and ready to use military might.

Some now hope that could change.

"The departure of Saleh is a turning point not just for the Yemeni revolution but also is a huge push for the current changes in the Arab region and is the start of the real victory," said Zaki Bani Rusheid, a leading figure in Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood.

Saleh was wounded when shells struck his palace in Sanaa, killing seven people and wounding the president, the prime minister, his deputy and the parliament speaker. He left for Riyadh on Saturday to receive treatment.

"This is a face-saving move to let him abandon power. Maybe he realised that in the next attack he will not be able to save his life," said Alfred Samaan, the head of Iraqi Writers Union.

'ARAB SPRING'

Saudi Arabia has headed off restiveness in its own population with huge cash handouts. But it has been involved in the 'Arab Spring' in other ways: providing a haven for Ben Ali, sending troops to support Bahrain's rulers and now treating Saleh.

"If they want to get Saleh an exit based on his injuries, they have to first address the issues of demonstrators and opposing tribes," said Sami Alfaraj, president of Kuwait Centre for Strategic Studies.

Yemen, a mountainous country where possessing a gun is commonplace, is riven by tribal rivalries that Saleh had for 33 years proved adept at juggling to stay in power. That changed as protesters rallied against him, inspired by the 'Arab Spring'.

"It is in Saudi Arabia's interest to end the events in Yemen because it does not want the trouble spilling across the borders," said Abdel-Rahman Hussein, 30, an Egyptian journalist.

Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil exporter, shares a 1,500-km (1,000-mile) border with Yemen. Until recently, with the United States, it had backed Saleh as an ally against a Yemen-based arm of al Qaeda.

Egyptian political scientist Hassan Nafaa said Saudi Arabia would not face criticism from Arab people for giving refuge to ousted leaders provided the deposed rulers did not use the kingdom "to interfere in their countries from there."

"The 'Arab Spring' will continue, Arab people are in a state of total rejection of their current ruling systems ... The only challenge is what the new rulers and political systems will be like," he added.

(Additional reporting by Amran Abocar in Dubai, Suleiman Khalidi in Amman and Waleed Ibrahim in Baghdad; Writing by Edmund Blair; editing by Myra MacDonald)

© Thomson Reuters 2011.


From CIA World Factbook:

North Yemen became independent of the Ottoman Empire in 1918. The British, who had set up a protectorate area around the southern port of Aden in the 19th century, withdrew in 1967 from what became South Yemen. Three years later, the southern government adopted a Marxist orientation. The massive exodus of hundreds of thousands of Yemenis from the south to the north contributed to two decades of hostility between the states. The two countries were formally unified as the Republic of Yemen in 1990. A southern secessionist movement in 1994 was quickly subdued. In 2000, Saudi Arabia and Yemen agreed to a delimitation of their border. Fighting in the northwest between the government and Huthi rebels, a group seeking a return to traditional Zaydi Islam, began in 2004 and has since resulted in seven rounds of fighting - the last ended in early 2010 with a tentative ceasefire. The southern secessionist movement was revitalized in 2008 when a popular socioeconomic protest movement initiated the prior year took on political goals including secession. Public rallies in Sana'a against President SALIH - inspired by similar demonstrations in Tunisia and Egypt - slowly built momentum starting in late January 2011 fueled by complaints over high unemployment, poor economic conditions, and corruption. By the following month, some protests had resulted in violence, and the demonstrations had spread to other major cities. By March the opposition had hardened its demands and was unifying behind calls for SALIH's immediate ouster. Media reports indicated that as many as 100 protesters had been killed and many more injured amid the protests. Domestic and international efforts to mediate a resolution to the political crisis had not yielded a deal as of mid April.

More info on Yemen (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ym.html)

mariab
June 9th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Kadhafi 'ordered mass rapes' in Libya: ICC

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/nws/p/afp_logo_51.png
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20110609/capt.photo_1307581857745-1-0.jpg?x=213&y=134&xc=2&yc=1&wc=409&hc=257&q=85&sig=nwo5CDzLWRDe.q36AFLVOQ-- (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Picture-taken-government-guided-tour-Libyan-soldier-stands-top-destroyed/photo//110609/photos_wl_afp/747dbe28ea58e83dea38bef9e626f3b8//s:/afp/20110609/wl_afp/libyaconflictrapeiccun_20110609113725)AFP – Picture taken on a government guided tour. A Libyan soldier stands on top of a destroyed building in …



– Thu Jun 9, 7:37 am ET
UNITED NATIONS (AFP) – Investigators have evidence Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi ordered mass rapes and bought containers of sex drugs to encourage troops to attack women, the chief ICC prosecutor said.
Luis Moreno-Ocampo said he may ask for a new charge of mass rape to be made against Kadhafi following the new evidence.
The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor is expecting a decision from judges within days on his request for charges of crimes against humanity to be laid against the Libyan leader, one of his sons and his intelligence chief.
"Now we are getting some information that Kadhafi himself decided to rape and this is new," Moreno-Ocampo told reporters.
He said there were reports of hundreds of women attacked in some areas of Libya, which is in the grip of a months-long internal rebellion.
There was evidence the Libyan authorities bought "Viagra-type" medicines and gave them to troops as part of the official rape policy, Moreno-Ocampo said.
"They were buying containers to enhance the possibility to rape women," he said.
"It was never the pattern he used to control the population. The rape is a new aspect of the repression. That is why we had doubts at the beginning, but now we are more convinced that he decided to punish using rape," the prosecutor said.
"It was very bad -- beyond the limits, I would say."
Kadhafi's regime had not previously been known for using rape as a weapon against political opponents and Moreno-Ocampo said he had to find evidence that the Libyan leader had given the order.
In March, a Libyan woman made international headlines when she entered a Tripoli hotel and said she had been raped by Kadhafi troops.
Iman al-Obeidi was detained but managed to escape from Libya. She ended up in Qatar but was deported back from there to rebel-held Libya. She is now resting at a refugee centre in Romania.
Moreno-Ocampo issued arrest warrants last month against Kadhafi, his son Seif al-Islam and intelligence chief Abdullah al-Sanussi. ICC judges are to announce in days whether they agree to the charges.
The Libyan government does not recognize the international court's jurisdiction.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110609/wl_afp/libyaconflictrapeiccun_20110609113725

ZippyTheChimp
June 17th, 2011, 04:26 PM
Driving for Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14VqX_GwfJ4)

scumonkey
August 21st, 2011, 11:44 PM
Libya: how 'Operation Mermaid Dawn', the move to take Tripoli, unfolded
For weeks rebels promised that opposition groups in Tripoli were just awaiting the word to stage their own move to take the Libyan capital.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01977/Rebel-cele_1977216c.jpg
Libyan rebel fighters ride through the town of Maya celebrating after
advancing to the outskirts of Tripoli Photo: REUTERS



By James Reevell in Djerba

11:33PM BST 21 Aug 2011


Few knew whether their promises were real, or whether they had the strength in numbers or arms to make good on them.

On Saturday night, the promise was put to the test. According to rebel sources in the capital and opposition groups abroad, including in the Tunisian resort town of Djerba, "Operation Mermaid Dawn" was launched from the Ben Nabi Mosque on Sarim Street near the heart of the city.

"Mermaid" is a long-standing nickname for Tripoli.

The rebels moved just after Iftar, the breaking of the Ramadan fast.

A group of young men began chanting Allahu akbar, God is Great, signifying the start of a new protest at the mosque, witnesses in Tripoli and rebels said. Prayers were cancelled and all women sent home. The men then locked themselves in and began shouting anti-Gaddafi slogans.

They then used the mosque's loud speaker system, normally used to call people to prayer, to broadcast their chants across the city.

As shooting and explosions lit up the Tripoli night, Gaddafi forces arrived and initially opened fire on the mosque with machine guns, also summoning reinforcements armed with anti aircraft guns mounted on pick up trucks. The men inside the mosque were unarmed.

Local residents and rebel fighters then converged on the mosque to defend it, using machine guns and Molotov cocktails in a fierce firefight. The rebel forces were able to drive the Gaddafi forces back forcing them to take refuge in the state TV centre on Al Nasr Street nearby.

This TV centre has been previously bombed by Nato but has several underground levels.

It was still in the hands of loyalists yesterday. A woman presenter brandished a gun while launching into an impassioned speech declaring she would fight the rebels to the death if they attacked the station.

From the mosque the uprising proceeded to spread in what, from telephone reports, appeared to be a coordinated movement. Opposition members inside the capital reported that as many as thirteen suburbs within the city were actively taking part in the uprising and engaging in firefights with loyalist troops.

Multiple sources reported that fighters temporarily entered Green Square and, in a hugely symbolic moment, raised the outlawed Libyan (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/) national flag.

Green Square is the epicentre of Colonel Gaddafi's power and status in Libya, the scene of his great rallies early in the uprising and his dramatic personal appearance in the arches of the ruined fortress on its edge. It features a giant mural of the Colonel.

Local residents said Gaddafi forces had begun to use heavy weapons, including artillery shelling, against the mosque, killing at least a dozen people in the immediate vicinity.

According to witnesses one shell hit a civilian home next door to the mosque, killing an elderly woman inside. They also said that Gaddafi forces commandeered garbage trucks as a form of disguise before ambushing opposition members near the mosque.

Later in the day, as the imminence of the rebel advance became clear, opposition forces came out elsewhere.

Prominent opposition members confirmed that the rebels had been shipping weapons into Tripoli for several weeks, in preparation for this uprising.

Mass text messages were used to urge residents within the capital to rise up. The rebels do have weapon caches along with small numbers of fighters smuggled into the capital, according to sources.

Although rumours swirled among opposition supporters both in Tripoli and abroad that Col Gaddafi and his family had fled, few gave them much credence.

They were confident, though, for the first time in the conflict that this was the end, and the fall of the Gaddafi regime was near. The question they were asking was not whether Gaddafi would fall, but how many lives he would take with him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8714522/Libya-how-Operation-Mermaid-Dawn-the-move-to-take-Tripoli-unfolded.html

scumonkey
August 21st, 2011, 11:50 PM
LIBYA: Rebel fighters and supporters pour into Green Square
August 21, 2011 | 7:58 pm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef014e8ad6c33e970d-600wi

Rebel fighters and their supporters poured into the Libyan capital's main square early Monday, firing weapons into the air and waving opposition flags on what had been the stage for nightly demonstrations in support of Moammar Kadafi’s regime. Television footage from Green Square, which the rebels are now calling Martyrs Square, showed men ripping down posters of Kadafi and setting fire to the green flag of his regime as others danced and flashed victory signs.
Al Jazeera's Zeina Khodr (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/08/201182122425905430.html)was with the rebels when they entered the square.
Photos: Battle for Tripoli, ongoing conflict in Libya (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-conflict-pictures,0,882425.photogallery)
"There's a party in the Libyan capital tonight," she said. "The people are in charge. They've decided the square is now called Martyrs Square, the original name. They're shouting "We're free" and even shooting at Kadafi's poster."
There were similar scenes of jubilation in the rebels' de facto capital, Benghazi, where thousands celebrated in the streets.
The rebels met little resistance Sunday as they swept into the heart of the Libyan capital, backed by NATO airstrikes and uprisings in neighborhoods across Tripoli. But the poorly trained and undisciplined fighters have made dramatic advances in the past only to be pushed back by Kadafi loyalists.
Kadafi's whereabouts were unknown Monday.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/08/libya-rebel-fighters-and-their-supporters-poor-into-green-square.html

lofter1
November 19th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Today in Tahrir Square:

Tahrir uprising - Nov19 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mosaaberising/sets/72157628055488321/with/6365413397/)

Photos at Flickr by Mosa'aberising (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mosaaberising/) from tonight's violence ...

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