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March 8th, 2003, 11:49 AM
The war on dog poo has taken a backseat to the war on Terror, but a recent battle captured headlines in the Downtown Express (http://www.zwire.com). *

Seriously, though. *People seem to lose all sense of perspective sometimes. *I think the potential that someone might step in doggy doo and be in a bad mood for a few minutes does not warrant a "zero tolerance" policy and $1,000 fines. *Madness! *Read:
Dogwalker handcuffed in B.P.C.

The offenses charged by one of the two plain-clothes PEP (Park Enforcement Patrol) officers who arrested him were disorderly conduct and "failure to comply with the directions of a Park Enforcement Patrol officer."

Albright acknowledges that he had walked his Dalmatian dog across a no-dog zone, the planted median in Rector Pl., taking a shortcut back to his home in Liberty Terrace.

"After they handcuffed me they talked about taking Nova to the pound, but fortunately a neighbor was there and took her home," Albright recalled.

The incident was only one of several in which Battery Park City dog owners say they have been harassed and summonsed recently in a "Zero Tolerance" crackdown on even minor dog law violations, according to Jeff Galloway, of the Battery Park City Dog Association, a dog owners advocacy group.

"It's difficult to imagine a home owner and father of three children being taken to the police station in handcuffs for a dog rule violation," said Galloway, also a member of Community Board 1. "We've had great relations with PEP officers in Battery Park City. If there was concern about people not picking up after their dogs, we've offered to do what we can to help the situation."

Albright, who has retained a lawyer, would not talk about the specifics of the arrest but said the PEP officers did not identify themselves until after he was handcuffed. He said, however, that he would contest the summons and the $1,000 fine connected with it. Deputy Inspector Peter Winski, commanding officer of the First Precinct, said Albright was brought to the precinct on Wednesday night to receive the summons and was released after 20 minutes.

The Battery Park City Authority hires the unarmed PEP officers to patrol Battery Park City under an agreement with the city Department of Parks and Recreation. Tessa Huxley, director of the Battery Park City Parks Conservancy, which maintains B.P.C.A. parks, referred all inquiries to the authority.

Timothy Carey, president of the authority, did not return calls seeking comment.

Galloway said he had phoned Leticia Remauro, Battery Park City Authority vice president for community and press relations, the day after Albright was arrested. "She was very upset and said she would stop it right away," Galloway said. Nevertheless, another dog owner was reported cited for a minor offense on Friday, he added.

Remauro also did not return calls for comment.

Some PEP officers in recent weeks carried tape measures and issued summonses for leashes longer than the maximum six feet specified in regulations, Galloway added.

A sympathetic PEP officer told residents last week that the Zero Tolerance campaign was scheduled to last until March 4 and the officer who issued the most summonses was to have been rewarded with an extra week's vacation, according to Galloway.

Anthony Notaro, a Community Board 1 member and a south B.P.C. resident, said the B.P.C.A. Zero Tolerance policy was shocking. "Nobody warned anyone about it," he said, and added that the community board's Battery Park City committee will review the situation on Tuesday.

Stacey Sosa, a resident of the north end of Battery Park City and a Tribeca restaurant owner, said PEP officers (whom she referred to as "the guys in the green uniforms") had harassed her a month ago.

"On two separate occasions I was out walking my dog with my six-year-old daughter when they stopped me," Sosa said. "The first time we were walking on the little street between Warren and Murray St. One of them shouted at me to please remove myself, my child and my dog from the street. I asked him why and he said 'Just do it.' I said I was doing nothing wrong and he threatened me. The other day my daughter and I were again walking our dog and a security vehicle pulled up and stopped us from crossing the street. They rolled down the window and said 'Ma'am, are you aware of the rules with walking your dog in Battery Park City?" and I said 'Did I do something wrong?' They said 'Take a look at this brochure because we're giving out a lot of tickets.' I told them the rules were the same ones that have always been in effect. They said, 'Just be careful. We're giving out a lot of tickets.'"

Galloway said a Zero Tolerance policy for dog offenses was not the way to enforce dog regulations. "It makes residents the enemy of law enforcement agents," he said. "It's gotten so bad my wife is afraid to go out and walk the dog."


March 11th, 2003, 02:09 AM
Don't want to sound like an ass, but in my neighborhood this has gotten out of control. Doggie poo and pee is everywhere, I mean really every couple feet of sidewalk has some form of canine feces or urine lying on it. I could go into details but it's overall pretty disgusting.

I don't mind a few droppings here and there but when it's cold people in my hood don't bother to pick up after their schnookums and the shit piles up after a long winter! The urine is ubiquitous. Dog owners here on the UES act like the sidewalks are their toilets. I have no problem with dogs living in the city, but those humans responsible should clean up their acts.

As for senseless laws and their rigid enforcement, I agree it sucks for the majority. But there are many dog owners in NY who really should not own a pet and I hope the ticketing helps them come to that realization.

I'm tired of walking the dog-poo gauntlet. CLEAN UP AFTER YOUR FREAKING DOGS PLEASE!!!!!! Otherwise I love the little droolers.

March 11th, 2003, 11:00 AM
Quote: from dbhstockton on 11:49 am on Mar. 8, 2003

Seriously, though. *People seem to lose all sense of perspective sometimes. *I think the potential that someone might step in doggy doo and be in a bad mood for a few minutes does not warrant a "zero tolerance" policy and $1,000 fines. *Madness! *Read:

The issue is not the step in doggy doo and be in a bad mood. *It is a quality of life issue. *Why should we have to walk down streets that are dog doo mine fields? *Also, the smell of urine is unbearable in the summer when the temperature is baking the ammonia. *

March 14th, 2003, 08:55 PM
What about having a sense of measure? 100$ would already be excessive and dissuasive enough. And dog owners don't need to feel persecuted by an intolerant mob.

March 15th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Where's the "intolerant mob" though? NYC is VERY dog friendly, they come into stores, restaurants and pubs. There are many dog runs, hell my hood has runs specifically for "small" and "large" dogs! I'm more than happy to have some of my tax $ pay for this.

Despite the article I don't think there are that many tix being given out in the city, perhaps BPC alone is just taking it too far. $100 for not cleaning up after your pooch sounds fine to me but it's obviously not being enforced in most of the city as evidenced by the sidewalks.

The real issue to me is the negligence of dog-owners who leave feces on the sidewalks and lawns. If you're not one of those I have no beef with you.

March 16th, 2003, 07:59 AM
Then the intolerant mob is thankfully only in BPC.

Dog and people fights:

March 16th, 2003, 09:08 AM
Dogs have advanced above, not only chimps, but homo sapiens
as the lords of the public square.

The turmoil in BPC also revolves around a proposed dog run.
An area called "pumphouse plaza" (above the WTC cooling equipment) contained a little used grove of trees and a toddler play area. The trees were dying and needed to be replaced. A dog run was needed and proposed for the grove area. Nearby Gateway Plaza residents complained. The battle
raged for two years (only temporarily halted by 9/11).
It has balooned into a $2 million project to repair the pumphouse eqipment, move and expand the toddler play area to
the grove, put the dog run where the play area was, and completely redesign the plaza.

The power of canines.

March 17th, 2003, 10:04 AM
The reason that the tix are so steep is because so few are actually given. *They are trying to use the high penalty as a deterrent against infractions against the rules... i.e., making examples of the few that get caught.

March 17th, 2003, 07:36 PM
Yes, but is it fair? People shouldn't have to pay to make up for lack of police work. BPC residents may be able to afford it but others certainly aren't. 1000 dollars is obscene.

March 19th, 2003, 10:33 AM
If you can't afford it, don't break the rule.
That's what a deterrent is all about.

(Edited by panos at 10:34 am on Mar. 19, 2003)

March 19th, 2003, 11:45 AM
So panos, are you saying people should just accept these ridiculous rules? Why not make the fine a hundred thousand dollars so the rich people can be "deterred" as well? Obviously deterrents can go too far.

This isn't about rules anyway, it's about some power hungry park patrol jackasses armed with tape measures, handcuffs, and $1000 ticket books who can't get enough of their shiny badges and the "authority" they possess.

March 19th, 2003, 11:47 AM
I'll buy that. *That might be true as well. *
You've convinced me.

March 19th, 2003, 02:09 PM
In the last Downtown Express, it was stated that since the zero-tolerance policy started on Feb 1, 62 summonses were issued, but only one was for failure to pick up after a dog.
There are "ambiguities" about no-dog-zones. A median park is off limits, but it was thought that the 2 sidewalks that cross it are ok to walk through.

I think a parking ticket type fine is a sufficient deterrent.

March 19th, 2003, 06:17 PM
Great headline in The Onion today: "Heroic Pit Bull Journeys 2,000 Miles To Attack Owner"

June 8th, 2003, 06:12 PM

June 8th, 2003, 11:28 PM
When I went to New York, dog poo was a big problem in Hell's Kitchen. Damn, I hate trying to dodge them! Yuck!

June 22nd, 2003, 08:49 AM
June 22, 2003

Doggy Minefield: Doesn't Anyone Scoop?


SEVERAL times a week, Stacey Sanner jogs across West 92nd Street from West End Avenue to Central Park and back. She likes to zone out as she runs. But this is difficult, given the demands of navigating the obstacle course of dog waste on her route.

She recently counted 12 piles on 92nd Street between Amsterdam and Columbus, on the north side alone, on the sidewalk, in tree pits, under and between cars.

Ms. Sanner knows she sounds obsessed. But cleaning up after your dog seems to her as essential a courtesy as saying please, thank you and excuse me. If the city can have an anti-graffiti task force and go after double-parking and illegal awnings, why not dog waste?

The state's Canine Waste Law, affectionately known as the pooper scooper law, took effect with great fanfare on Aug. 1, 1978, nearly 25 years ago this summer, inspiring imitators worldwide. The first "clean up after your dog" sign went up on West 68th Street and Central Park West. Though gone now, it seems to have accomplished its goal.

But elsewhere, Ms. Sanner contends, dog waste is proliferating. Giving circumstantial weight to her claim are the number of dog waste summonses issued by the Sanitation Department, which declined from 1,117 citywide in 2000 to 752 in 2001 and just 445 in 2002. So far this year, only 216 summonses have been issued.

Why the decline? The number of enforcement agents has not declined. Have more people been cleaning up after their dogs? Ms. Sanner and her neighbors doubt that. "I have never seen or heard of anyone getting a ticket for not cleaning up after their dog," said Anne-Marie Resor, a member of the West 90th Street Park Block Association. Lest anyone think Ms. Resor is anti-dog, she is the proud owner of Baci, a little white Coton, which some owners of the breed call the Prozac dog because it makes them so happy.

Taking matters into their own hands, the association installed plastic bag dispensers at both ends of the block on Valentine's Day and recently ordered a 4,000-bag refill. But the street is still a minefield.

Ms. Sanner, a 42-year-old publicity woman, is not shy about working the phones. She called the Sanitation Department, which wanted a description of the offending party. She e-mailed the mayor, who sent back the phone number for sanitation, an answer she found unresponsive.

Most recently, she called 311, the mayor's Citizen Service Center, introduced March 9, and felt the way one often does when calling customer service, that she was talking to someone in Colorado whose closest contact with New York is watching "Sex and the City."

To demonstrate, Ms. Sanner offered to call 311 again around noon on Tuesday, while a reporter listened in. A polite but harried-sounding operator answered. "Let me put you in touch with a sanitation specialist," the operator said, then added: "O.K., ma'am. No, I'm frozen here. I can't transfer you over to that unit."

Ms. Sanner hung up and dialed the number she had been given. A recorded voice told her, among other things, how to turn in old air conditioners. Nothing on dog poop. Ms. Sanner dialed 311 again.

"On sanitary conditions, that would be the Department of Health," said a second operator, who identified herself as Tasha. " 'Vicious animals,' we don't want that," she added, apparently scanning her database. "It's going to be 'animal nuisance' with the Department of Health."

Could the operator just take her complaint, Ms. Sanner asked. Apparently not. "Some things like quality-of-life issues we would take here," she said. "Some things we would transfer to an external agency."

Ms. Sanner: "Why wouldn't you consider this quality of life?"

Operator: "It's not stated here because the N.Y.P.D has not put it in our database as a quality-of-life issue."

Ms. Sanner asked for a supervisor. After four minutes of classical music, a supervisor who identified herself as Brenda came on the phone to transcribe Ms. Sanner's opinion. "My opinion is this should be a quality-of-life issue enforced by the mayor's office," Ms. Sanner said. What about the e-mail Ms. Sanner sent? "He has so many," Brenda said regretfully (3,000 to 4,000 a month). She did, however, promise to pass the complaint to the police, and gave Ms. Sanner a service number so she could track her case.

Ms. Sanner is not alone. The 311 number has received 307 calls about dog waste, more than all the summonses written in the last six months.

Vito Turso, a sanitation spokesman, offered to send an undercover sting operation to West 92nd Street. You might want to call 311 with your favorite location.

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

July 26th, 2003, 04:37 PM
What am I to do? *My neighbors recently got a dog which they leave in their yard all day and night. *I don't mind the dog, but the smell is really offensive. *The animal is not walked, so it poops and urines in the back yard all the time. *Is there any law against this?
It goes to show so many people get sweet little puppies which they ignore as soon as the novelty wears off. *It is so cruel to the animal and so uncomfortable for us (we cannot open our windows). *
Any suggestions?

November 3rd, 2011, 03:37 PM
I couldn't find the on-going discussion about dog poop in BPC, but this thread will doo ...