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May 6th, 2003, 02:35 PM
see link


May 6th, 2003, 03:34 PM
Great news, and a nice website.

Terminal is evocative of the old amusement parks.

May 6th, 2003, 04:15 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to get off that nice, new station, and go to a modern amusement park AND be able to ride the cyclone? *Or perhaps walk a couple blocks to your beachfront condo? *When is this going to happen already? *Beachfront "playground" in Brooklyn? *It happened before, it could and should happen again.

Anyone know about anything going on over in CI?

May 6th, 2003, 05:01 PM
Possibilities of a hotel atop the NY Aquarium, next to the Parachute Jump or both but it'll be a while

May 6th, 2003, 07:16 PM
Message of this station: Coney Island's glory belongs to the past. The only goal that can be achieved today is attempting to recall it, however faintly.

May 14th, 2003, 01:53 PM

November 14th, 2003, 08:18 PM
Subway Station Getting Some Sun

By Joshua Robin
Staff Writer

November 14, 2003

The MTA is building a solar-paneled roof above a swath of Coney Island subway track longer than a football field. When finished, it will be the largest sun-powered subway station canopy in the nation, transit officials said yesterday.

The cover for the Stillwell Avenue station, slated for 2005 completion, will shield eight train tracks and power about 15 percent of the station, generating about the same amount of energy as 200 average-size single-family homes in the city.

"We're the leader in the transit world when it comes to this," said Connie Crawford, NYC Transit's acting senior vice president for capital program management.

The roof, part of a $283 million redevelopment of the century-old station, is one of several solar power projects that New York City Transit has under way. The agency had previously installed panels in a Maspeth warehouse and a tower at the Jackie Gleason bus depot in Sunset Park.

"It's emerging in this area," said Richard Miras, program manager of New York City Transit's capital program oversight committee. "When it makes sense, we're putting it in."

It costs about $4 million more to build the roof than if it had been made of regular glass, but NYC Transit officials believe the project will save the money in reduced energy costs over the expected 40-year life of the panels.

The station, whose renovation is now half completed, is the terminus for the W, F, N and Q trains and is a quick walk to the landmark Wonder Wheel. The savings will be greatest during the summer, when energy costs tend to be at their highest.

"Effectively, we're generating the most power when it costs us the most to buy it," Miras told a Metropolitan Transportation Authority meeting yesterday.

Officials also plan a solar panel roof at the Roosevelt Avenue station in Jackson Heights now being rehabilitated and similar technology in rail yards around the city. By using the panels in Coney Island, NYC Transit expects to avoid thousands of tons of pollutants that would have been produced. It expects to save 17,000 tons of carbon dioxide emissions over about 40 years, Miras said.

Copyright 2003, Newsday, Inc.

November 14th, 2003, 08:43 PM
I've seen the arch framework for the canopy. It's really weird, seeing something so fresh and modern in the middle of a grimy construction area and a run down block.

November 14th, 2003, 10:06 PM
Message of this station: Coney Island's glory belongs to the past. The only goal that can be achieved today is attempting to recall it, however faintly.

Not sure what you mean. You don't think a Coney Island renaissance is possible?

November 15th, 2003, 08:48 AM
It's only an interpretation of the station's design. Obviously, its use will contribute to a certain renaissance. But its appearance sends the wrong message and is a feeble announcement that lacks confidence in the future.

January 28th, 2004, 12:49 PM

January 29th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Message of this station: Coney Island's glory belongs to the past. The only goal that can be achieved today is attempting to recall it, however faintly.
Exactly the same thing I was thinking.

February 11th, 2004, 10:48 AM


February 11th, 2004, 01:30 PM
Message of this station: Coney Island's glory belongs to the past. The only goal that can be achieved today is attempting to recall it, however faintly.
Exactly the same thing I was thinking.

The revitalization of 42nd Street in Manhattan provides evidence that glory of old can be recaptured with imagination, capital, and willpower. Coney will come back.

February 11th, 2004, 06:29 PM
All it needs is a pile of indoor attractions like you'd find along International Drive in Orlando or along the Vegas strip. Like a DisneyQuest, or a Sega Arcade, or a permanent Cirque du Soleil show. Pile on a lot of places like that and we'll have our own mini family funtime resort area again!

February 11th, 2004, 07:14 PM
The aquarium is undergoing a $45 million renovation and expansion right now.

The site of the former Thunderbolt is being pushed a the site of a future water park/amusement area.

The plot of Abe Stark rink and its parking lot is being targeted for
a scaled-down version of the "Brooklyn Sportsplex", which includes indoor handball courts and a bunch of other things I can't remember... (might be a running track, a heated indoor pool, or a hockey rink, or any combination of those..)

Results of an RFP issued by the Coney Island DC will be available before the end of the year and selection will begin.

February 11th, 2004, 09:11 PM
Ratner's arena for the Nets will effectively kill the Sportsplex. Markowitz admitted it in the Brooklyn Papers.

February 11th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Yup, he did. Hence the scaled-down sportsplex. Still holding things the arena can't hold effectively, such as indoor water-related things, handball courts and whatever else I forgot, didn't remember anything since then...

February 12th, 2004, 01:50 AM
Totally agree. Indoor and outdoor amusements to take some business from Great Adventure and be year round. Water park should be the same. More bars, clubs and restaurants would be nice to mix in. Don't think there should be housing... noise complaints and the same crap. Relocating the projects would be nice,too.

Funny, I always say they should have a permanent Cirque site in NYC. Maybe it'll happen.

February 12th, 2004, 01:51 AM
The aquarium is undergoing a $45 million renovation and expansion right now.

I keep hearing about this. What are they doing? Any plans released?

I always wanted it to be much larger and open to the ocean. It should shoot to be the biggest in the world, really.

February 12th, 2004, 02:13 AM
The biggest and best, yes. The way the New York museums are superior to the national ones in Washington - I doubt this aquarium beats Baltimore's as a worldwide attraction. It should have landmark architecture and the most progressive exhibits. It seems to lack true ambition.

Similarly, the water park should be extensive, innovative and frequently updated.

February 12th, 2004, 08:00 AM
My limited understanding of the aquarium project is that it involves a new parking structure and a cafe that opens on to the boardwalk. I haven't heard anything about expanded exhibit space.

February 12th, 2004, 09:09 AM
The aquarium lacks an architectural presence at both Surf Ave and the Boardwalk.

New York Aquarium Map (http://nyaquarium.com/media/general/nyaqauriummap20032.pdf)

February 12th, 2004, 03:51 PM
Yar, you hardly notice it from the boardwalk. The only telltale sign is the sculpture wall stretching for about a block.

I think the aquarium expansion provides for a multilevel parking structure in place of the lot, with the structural ability to support a midsized hotel. I hadn't heard about the cafe... I think interior space will also be expanded.

February 12th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Hey Gulcrapek if you are going to quote all the info you got from my Yahoo group at least provide a link dude. The aquarium will have an attraction on the beach as well as some raised levels for new attractions so you can see the ocean from them. There will be a carousel at the entrance and signs all the way to Ocean Parkway. They are going to try and rebuild the iron pier and the hope is to have ferry service from Manhattan. I attended a Coney Island Development Corp meeting a couple months ago where the Aquarium President gave a half hour presentation of the preliminary plans. They are going to create a really big dolphin attraction too.

Here are some of the ideas Marty (our borough president) wrote to me in one of our ongoing email conversations on Coney and Brooklyn -

Subj: RE: Coney Island Sportsplex
Date: 1/24/04 7:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time

To: MUSCLE13@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

the parachute jump is my other personal goal and an ampitheater type
structure at Asser Levy Seaside Park and a sports facility for
handball,paddleball,volleyball,wallyball,paddle tennis is also among
my priorities.........stay tuned, as I have mentioned to you before.........

-----Original Message-----
From: MUSCLE13@aol.com [mailto:MUSCLE13@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Coney Island Sportsplex

Please don't forget the Parachute Jump, Marty! Thats dream number 3 after basketball and Carnival Cruises, Right?

To read more great info about Coney Island and Brooklyn you can join my group just like Gulcrapek and Billy Blanco did.


February 12th, 2004, 10:58 PM
Hmm... sorry, I wasn't aware I had to link info. I didn't remember where I got it from when I wrote it. Brain bad.

February 13th, 2004, 01:32 PM
No need to apologize Gulcrapek. Most posts on his Yahoo group can be traced directly back to www.coneyisland.com bulletin board for which HE gives no links on his Yahoo group. All in all, none of this is proprietary or copyrighted info. Most was culled from the Astella Proposal, which I think you are familiar with.

February 13th, 2004, 08:34 PM
Hmm... sorry, I wasn't aware I had to link info. I didn't remember where I got it from when I wrote it. Brain bad.

Not a problem Gulcrapek. As I have said before you guys cover Brooklyn development like noone else. I think WiredNY is the best board on the net. I really appreciate you and Billy joining my group. Unfortunately there are those who like to stir up trouble :roll: I certainly hope this board stays as professional and civil as it has always been. Keep up the great posting Gulcrapek. I thoroughly enjoy reading your Brooklyn development coverage.

February 13th, 2004, 09:05 PM
Just as an FYI- The next CIDC meeting will be here

Board Meetings

Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004

Location: Keyspan, One Metrotech Center, 2nd Floor

Time: 7 p.m.

My wife and I will be attending as we attend all the meetings. My favorite idea for CI development is a Water Park. If you guys have any Coney must have projects you are really into just post them here and I would be happy to forward them to Marty. As I said before I think this board is the best on the net and should be heard in development strategies. Thanks.

February 13th, 2004, 09:47 PM
A hotel.
A developer for Childs.

February 13th, 2004, 10:02 PM
A mermaid statue.

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February 13th, 2004, 10:07 PM
A mermaid statue.

:D And maybe we can borrow that famous bronze statue of Poseidon from the National Archeological Museum in Athens and set it up on Neptune Avenue.

March 3rd, 2004, 08:07 PM
The steel frame is complete.

View from the Boardwalk at Stillwell Ave.


View from W12 St.

March 13th, 2004, 07:02 PM
I was down in Coney Island today and, I have to say, the train station is stunning. The city has designed the station to be a real "arrival" point. The arch of the roof soars over the station's four platforms and 8 tracks and is really rather breathtaking.

I can't help but think the city has something in the works for Coney Island or some developers who made commitments based upon the city's agreement to build a major arrival center. Looking at this station and its impressive dimensions and design, I can't believe they would build a station to "nowhere".

Go and see it. You'll feel "someting's coming to Coney Island soon".

March 13th, 2004, 08:43 PM
BrooklynRider, here (http://forums.wirednewyork.com/viewtopic.php?t=264) is a thread with information on Coney Island renovation plans.

March 14th, 2004, 04:35 PM
Wow....if it looks this good and it's still under construction, imagine what the finished product will be. How did we ever tolerate that old, cavernous monster that used to be there?

March 23rd, 2004, 09:44 AM
Interesting article.....


March 24th, 2004, 12:50 PM
is that a solar roof I see?

March 24th, 2004, 02:09 PM

TLOZ Link5
March 24th, 2004, 03:32 PM

From the article BrooklynRider posted:


March 24th, 2004, 09:38 PM

Maybe. I've been to way too many shopping mall food courts to be impressed merely by a vaulted metal shed. I'll have to see in person...

I could interpret it as an homage to Nathan's prominence in food courts across America.

March 24th, 2004, 09:45 PM
Did the shopping mall food courts have trains running through them?

A bit ironic this covers the lifeblood of the city then...

March 25th, 2004, 11:03 AM
Maybe. I've been to way too many shopping mall food courts to be impressed merely by a vaulted metal shed. I'll have to see in person...

I could interpret it as an homage to Nathan's prominence in food courts across America.

I think I was impressed from two vantage points. (1) Knowing what this station replaces, (2) The distance between the arched roof andthe platform gives it a cathedral like effect. It really is quite grand.

The picture shows one track. The roof spans four tracks. Check it out in person, if you get a chance. You might not agree with "stunning", but I'm predicting you will come up with some positive adjectives.

May 8th, 2004, 11:17 AM


May 8th, 2004, 10:09 PM
I saw it today, realized that whatever line is running now isn't covered by the vaults and won't be.

May 10th, 2004, 09:54 AM
My understanding is that the operating track will be demolished after the other tracks are reopened and the roof will continue - making a complete arch.

I drove by on the Belt Parkway yeasterday and the completed portion looks fantastic.

May 24th, 2004, 03:21 PM


May 25th, 2004, 09:31 AM
I was down at C.I. on Sunday. The crowds are back. The newly opened areas of the station look incredible - especially if you have vivid memories of the old station. This one is bright and open. The front retail/office component has all the steel up andcompleted, floors poured, but no facade yet. I've maintained that no city would build a $280 million station to nowhere. I anticipate a 42nd Street type rehab in coming years. Yahoo!

May 25th, 2004, 09:47 AM
This is exciting! Just seeing the station tell's you that something good is coming soon! :D

May 25th, 2004, 04:35 PM
Adding on what Rider said, I was also there Sunday (for a photo project, I think I mentioned it somewhere else here) and was absolutely "what the hell?"-ed by the sheer number of people. You'd think it was late July or something. There was a good number of people on the beach, but there had to be more than 100,000 people on the Boardwalk between W20th St and the Aquarium. I didn't even see the activity on the Brighton side, have no idea how popular that was but I'm sure it had a good amount.

Seriously, I thought there would be a few hundred people on the entire Boardwalk. Summery surprise for me. There were even some English tourists taking pictures. All the storefronts were open, and I noticed CI postcards and hats and visors and other memorabilia (sp?) is for sale, maybe it had been there before but I'd never noticed it until now. I also noticed a little wood gazebo that hadn't been there before. And the water fountains actually work. Hurrah.

May 26th, 2004, 12:59 AM
Just think about how it will be when the master plan in finalized and the development rolls in.

May 28th, 2004, 11:19 AM
Does anyone have any information on what the city plans to do with Coney Island? I think It needs modern rides, beachfront high rise luxary hotels, maybe something Disney? It worked for TS,maybe it'll work here.

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May 28th, 2004, 01:58 PM
Are those platforms made of concrete? That's weird because a lot of the newly renovated stations have granite tiles.

Of course, in a year or two the whole station will look a bit dirty. If there's one thing the MTA needs to do, it's clean the stations thoroughly and often.

May 28th, 2004, 04:31 PM
ILN: Davis Brody Bond is currently working on a master plan for CI.

May 28th, 2004, 09:51 PM
cool! Do you have any websites or any details?? :D

May 28th, 2004, 10:21 PM

May 31st, 2004, 01:24 PM

March 8th, 2005, 02:10 PM
From the latest "New York Construction News"

"...While the full benefits of the Second Avenue line will not be realized until 2012, the MTA is nearing completion on a flagship environmentally sound station. The Stillwell Avenue station in Coney Island includes the nation's largest photovoltaic roof and will save N.Y.C. Transit an estimated 12 to 15 percent in energy costs while eliminating about 17,000 tons of carbon dioxide emissions over a 40-year period.

A 76,000-sq.-ft. shed-style roof designed by Kiss & Cathcart Architects of Brooklyn now covers the terminal. TRACO Architectural Systems of Kingsport, Tenn., and RWE SCHOTT Solar of Billerica, Mass., built the 5- by 20-ft. laminated photovoltaic panels from clear glass and strips of thin-film amorphous silicon material. The panels allow 20 to 25 percent of light transmission and together can serve as a source of 250,000 kilowatt hours per year in solar energy, and by summer should generate up to 60 percent of the station's electric power needs."

April 19th, 2005, 05:01 PM
April 19, 2005

1, 2. Still not complete, but getting there.

3. The West 8th St-Aquarium station is also being renovated.

4. Stairway to the aquarium overpass. Looks sort of marine-biological.

5. Pre-installed graffiti.

April 19th, 2005, 05:11 PM
That stairway is sensational!

April 20th, 2005, 11:17 AM
Love it! And, all that terra cotta work that was preserved is nicely integrated into the facade.

April 20th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Yes it is, and nice touch with the undulating walls in photo 3.

Nice job on both stations.

April 20th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Nifty, except for the tower shaft.

April 20th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Nifty, except for the tower shaft.


Are you talking about the little homage to Luna Park? I kind of lke it. It has that green steel top, but, when I last visited, it looked fitted with bands of white lights (like Disneyland). It also has that glas block, which will hopefully be dramatically lit.

It beats the old station.

May 28th, 2005, 01:38 AM
And Now for the Good News From the Subway System

A 75,000-square-foot glass canopy, with 2,730 solar-energy panels, hovers over eight tracks and four
platforms at the Stillwell Avenue subway terminal in Coney Island, served by the D, F, N and Q lines.

Published: May 28, 2005

Amid the bad news about the subway system - fires, delays and deferred dreams like the Second Avenue subway - one ambitious project, the spectacular European-style train terminal at Coney Island, reaches a milestone this weekend.

At 12:41 a.m. tomorrow, an N train will roll into the new station, at Stillwell and Surf Avenues, completing the restoration of full subway service to southern Brooklyn for the first time since late 2001.

Riders from four lines will converge below a soaring glass shed, the ocean sparkling in the distance.

But the terminal stands in contrast with the undeniably shabby precincts that border the beach and Boardwalk. City officials view the subway terminal as an attraction and a potential boon for tourism, much like KeySpan Park, a minor-league stadium that has drawn thousands of baseball fans to the area over the past four years.

In an era when the Metropolitan Transportation Authority seems unable to advance its aspirations for expansion, the $300 million terminal, produced on time and more or less within budget, provides a rare example of a beautiful addition to the transit landscape. Its signature element is a 75,000-square-foot glass canopy, made up of 2,730 solar-energy panels, which hover over eight tracks and four platforms, all completely rebuilt.

At night, the glass shed is illuminated by floodlights below, producing a soft glow that reaches out to the high-rise apartments nearby.

Officials compare the station, unabashedly, to the great train terminals of the industrial age, like Paddington Station in London or Gare St.-Lazare in Paris.

"It doesn't feel like us," Cosema E. Crawford, the chief engineer at New York City Transit, said candidly during a recent tour of the station. "It doesn't look like what you think of when you think of the New York City subway."

The project is especially significant for residents in neighborhoods in southern Brooklyn - Coney Island, Brighton Beach, Sea Gate, Gravesend and Bath Beach - who have endured more than three years of noise and dust, not to mention suspended or rerouted train service on what are now the D, F, N and Q lines.

"This has been so eagerly awaited that there will be, on the official day, I guarantee you, cheering in the streets," said Chuck Reichenthal, the district manager for Community Board 13. Although the terminal will be back in business tomorrow, not all its final touches are expected to be finished for another month or so.

The four subway lines that end at Coney Island - known traditionally, and still marked on subway maps, as the West End, Sea Beach, Culver and Brighton lines - are descendants of steam railroads that began in the 1860's. The terminal replaces one that was built between 1915 and 1919 and had all but crumbled away.

Except for part of a brick-faced signal tower, preserved for nostalgia's sake, all that is left of the old station is a terra cotta facade facing Surf Avenue, which was painstakingly taken apart, restored and reassembled. The letters on the facade, BMT, refer to the Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit Corporation.

The project involved replacing a corroded steel structure, encased in crumbling concrete, with a new open-deck steel structure, typical of the transit agency's other elevated stations.

But the project's size made it exceptional. New York City Transit asserts that the Coney Island terminal is the largest subway station in the world, although it has a far smaller ridership than Times Square or Grand Central Terminal.

At the northern end of the new complex is a new facility for train crews.

At the southern end, a new, 34,000-square-foot Portal Building serves as the public gateway to the terminal. It includes a new station house, complete with holding cells, for the transit police; a signal maintenance facility, and a retail complex.

As riders approach the trains, they will pass a 370-foot-long mural, made of translucent glass blocks with images of the 5-cent hot dog, the Wonder Wheel and other Coney Island attractions embedded in the glass, by the artist Robert Wilson.

By next spring, five stores - perhaps a clothing store, a bank branch, a fast-food restaurant among them - will occupy the 7,600 square feet of retail space, along with a handful of seasonal concessions selling beach-related items.

Since late 2001, N trains have stopped one station away, at 86th Street in Gravesend. The bulk of the construction - five of the eight tracks - was scheduled so that service would be cut off for only one full summer, in 2003. During that period, Coney Island was served by only one line, what is now the D.

On May 23, 2004, service on the F and Q lines was restored. The final two tracks to be rebuilt are to open tomorrow.

A joint venture of two companies, Granite Halmar Construction and Schiavone Construction, built the main terminal and canopy, while a third company, Vertex Engineering Services, built the Portal Building. "It looked like a war zone at one point," said Suhas C. Sheth, the construction administrator for the project.

Ms. Crawford, the chief engineer, who oversees 1,600 engineers, architects and other employees who manage the transit agency's building programs, said she was particularly proud of the "green," or environmentally conscious, aspects of the project.

Workers recycled 85 percent of the debris from the old terminal, including two million pounds of steel. The photovoltaic panels that make up the canopy will generate 236,000 kilowatt hours of power a year, enough to cover about 15 percent of the energy used by the station.

Joshua Sirefman, the president of the Coney Island Development Corporation, a nonprofit entity that the city created in 2003 to encourage economic development, said he was particularly impressed by the project's faithfulness to the neighborhood's history.

"It reflects the character of Coney Island, which for any new activity is a significant accomplishment," he said.

Eight tracks and four platforms end at the rebuilt Stillwell Avenue subway terminal in Coney Island.

Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

May 28th, 2005, 03:48 PM

July 22nd, 2005, 09:40 AM
I was out for a summer night of Nathan's and Cyclone riding last night. I arrived in daylight around 7:00PM. When I returned to the Stillwell Ave train station, it looked magnificent! The spire is outlined in white lights as are all the windows. Two spires of lights rise, atop which sit colored globed indicating the subway lines. The old terra cotta facade put in place is underlit with incadescent lights. Very dramatic and very beautiful. The main corridor is now open and even the soon to be completed police station inside has art deco steel pylons guarding its entrance door. I'm not a photographer, but one of better ones on WNY should snap some night time pics. Beautiful!

You look at it this station and just know something good is coming!