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August 29th, 2003, 07:15 PM
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August 30th, 2003, 12:43 AM
Whoa, was that an ad for yupi.com in one of those pics?

August 31st, 2003, 11:15 PM
Great pics, but I feel annoyed when it comes to the Intrepid nowadays. Driving south off the west side highway, past the cruise ship docks, it used to look pretty amazing to watch the Intrepid emerge as you rounded the bend. Now that pointless footbridge (that I never see anyone using) obstructs the view. I've lost one of my favorite entrances!

October 31st, 2003, 01:45 AM
October 31, 2003

A Concorde Heads to New York to Make the Intrepid Its Home


People in New York will soon be able to see the Concorde doing what it was never built to do: sitting still.

British Airways said yesterday that it was giving one of its seven Concordes to the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum, where the supersonic jet will probably be opened to the public next spring.

The plane, named Alpha Delta, will be flown into Kennedy International Airport on Nov. 10, most likely making residents of Queens jump from their chairs with one more bone-shaking, window-rattling, eardrum-busting descent. Then it will be transported to the Intrepid via barge on Nov. 25.

Concorde service ended last Friday after 27 years, when British Airways made its last scheduled Concorde flight between New York and London. Air France ended its New York-Paris service last May. The companies said the Concorde had become financially unviable because of rising maintenance costs and a dearth of travelers willing to pay the $5,000-and-higher ticket prices.

Alpha Delta will be displayed on a 260-foot barge attached to the main carrier. It is expected to be the centerpiece of an exhibit on trans-Atlantic travel. Col. Tom Tyrell, chief executive of the Intrepid, said that Pier 86, where the Intrepid is docked, was a base for trans-Atlantic crossings for the United States, the fastest ocean liner in the world in its heyday.

One other place in this country, the Museum of Flight in Seattle, will get a Concorde from British Airways. The rest of the airline's planes will be parked at sites in England and Barbados. Air France is also giving its retired planes to museums.

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October 31st, 2003, 06:20 AM
:D I hope we can go inside...and smoke cigars.

The bridge was built to accommodate tour bus passengers. The lot on the east side of 12 Ave was converted into a bus drop-off area. The bridge leads directly to an upper level museum entrance. It's also a good spot for photos.

November 11th, 2003, 04:12 AM
i work right next door on the cruise ships...i love my job :D

November 25th, 2003, 02:51 PM
November 25, 2003

Supersonic Jet Takes Slow Boat to New Home


The Concorde glided up the harbor before docking alongside the Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum.

The supersonic jet Concorde came to a halt today as part of a floating museum on a New York river, its last stop after a high-altitude career flying celebrities and other passengers at twice the speed of sound across the Atlantic Ocean.

Where it once took wing, the 204-foot-long, 88-ton jet was now tied down, after being hauled onto a barge that plied New York City's waters past the Statue of Liberty and up to the Hudson River pier where the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum is located.

The Concorde will become part of a permanent new exhibit, the museum's chief executive officer, Col. Tom Tyrrell, said in a statement. Its official opening as an exhibit will take place next spring, according to the museum's Web site.

In an arrival ceremony attended by officials from the museum and British Airways, the jet was described as "the sexiest machine" and "a gorgeous bird".

Special features will be added to the barge including exhibits on supersonic flight and the history of the Concorde, according to the museum.

The Concorde made aviation history as the world's only supersonic passenger aircraft, cruising at more than twice the speed of sound, and at an altitude of up to 60,000 feet.

Concorde service ended on Oct. 24 after 27 years, when British Airways made its last scheduled Concorde flight between New York and London. Air France ended its New York-Paris service last May. The companies said the Concorde had become financially unviable because of rising maintenance costs and a dearth of travelers willing to pay ticket prices of $5,000 and more.

In addition to the Intrepid museum, British Airways selected six other sites to receive Concordes, including the Museum of Flight in Seattle.

Established in 1982, the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum features the 900-foot-long aircraft carrier USS Intrepid. The museum attracts 600,000 visitors a year.

Michelle O'Donnell contributed reporting to this article.

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November 25th, 2003, 03:48 PM
Heh. My chorus teacher today was telling us about how she didn't want a camera phone but it ended up coming in handy, 'cause she saw people all gathered by the Rockaway shore and went to see what was up, it was the Concorde on a boat and she took a picture. :)

December 13th, 2003, 03:25 PM
The Concorde at its new home

June 25th, 2004, 02:33 PM
NY1 News
June 25, 2004

Concorde Jet Opens To Public For Tours


Aviation enthusiasts who couldn't afford a round trip ticket on a Concorde jet back when it was still in operation will finally get a chance to board one.

The Concorde will be open for public tours as part of the Atlantic Crossings Museum Exhibit at the Intrepid Sea Air and Space Museum.

The first public tour starts at 2 p.m. this Saturday.

Last November 10th, the Concorde made its final flight from London's Heathrow Airport to JFK Airport, where she was decommissioned.

Later that month, the 204-foot long supersonic jet traveled by barge along the Atlantic Coast from JFK to the Intrepid's home at Pier 86.
A former Concorde Pilot Mike Bannister said the retired jet will have a second life at the Intrepid.

"It could do so many things," said Bannister. "You could literally buy back time; travel faster than the earth rotates. And Concorde did that for 27 years, in service with British Airways, and we're really pleased that now she starts a new life as a must see exhibit at the world's premiere Sea Air and Space Museum here at the Intrepid."

Roundtrip flights on the Concorde used to cost up to $11,000.

British Airways and Air France say they decided to ground Concorde flights forever because it was too costly to run.

Copyright © 2004 NY1 News

June 28th, 2004, 02:01 PM

It's a beauty.

The interior is even more cramped than I'd imagined.


Crew of four in the cockpit. Space utilization is similar to a submarine.

June 28th, 2004, 03:39 PM
Too bad it's not an Air France plane - I'm a Francophile and it's the Concorde.

July 18th, 2004, 10:26 PM
Intrepid Photos (http://www.pbase.com/zippythechimp/intrepid)

For Francophiles, there's an Etendard, and for comrades, a MiG-21.

Some people think that this place is touristy. I suppose that's true, but that's because New Yorkers are seldom aware of their history.

The Essex class aircraft carriers were built in three places:
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June 17th, 2006, 06:07 AM
It's 900 Feet Long, Floats, and Needs Some Work

The U.S.S. Intrepid will be moved from its Hudson River dock.

Published: June 17, 2006 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/nyregion/17ship.html)

Having served as a military museum in New York City for almost 25 years, the U.S.S. Intrepid is due for some R and R — in this case, that would be relocation and refurbishment.

The Intrepid, a World War II-era aircraft carrier, has been a hulking fixture on the West Side of Manhattan since it first docked there in the early 1980's. But all that time sitting in the Hudson River has taken a toll on the ship's steel hull.

So, sometime in the next several months, the 900-foot-long leviathan, with a collection of jets and helicopters strapped to its flight deck like hood ornaments, will be dragged down the river to a dry dock, where it will be patched up and repainted.

After being moored for nearly 25 years, the ship will be taken to a dry dock to be patched up and repainted.

For the moment, executives of the foundation that operates the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum are acting as if loose lips could sink their ship. They are guarding the nature of the ship's ailments and details of when, where and how the repairs will be made like military secrets.

But they have notified local and federal officials of their intent to move the ship, though they have not laid out the specifics of their plan.

They declined to say if the Intrepid would be back at its pier in time to anchor the Fleet Week festivities next May, or if objects from the museum, which opened in 1982 and draws more than 500,000 visitors a year, will be placed in another exhibit space while the ship is gone.

"It is a preliminary plan, and it is premature to comment on it at this time," said Suzanne Halpin, a spokeswoman for the museum who works for Rubenstein Communications.

Museum officials — in anticipation of dislodging the ship from its moorings — have already asked the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/army_corps_of_engineers/index.html?inline=nyt-org) for permission to dredge the mud that has piled up around the ship's bottom. An Army Corps official, Mary Ann Miller, said yesterday that the ship's owners had presented a long list of planned improvements to the ship but that she was not at liberty to discuss them.

Charles C. Deroko, a marine surveyor in Brooklyn who has inspected repairs made to the Intrepid in the past, said he had heard similar rumors along the waterfront that the Intrepid would be taken away for an overhaul. But he said he had not heard that there was any significant damage to the ship.

"The minimum would be sandblasting and painting," he said, referring to the work that would be done once the hull was out of the water. It is unclear how long the ship would stay in dry dock or how much the repairs would cost.

Merely moving the ship off its pier — which is almost as big as the Queen Elizabeth 2 cruise ship, though considerably smaller than its sister, the Queen Mary 2 — is a sizable job.

Mr. Deroko said the ship would probably have to be hauled by "at least half a dozen tugboats" to one of the few dry docks in New York Harbor that is big enough to handle a vessel of its size. One such dock is in Bayonne, N.J.; another is at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, though Mr. Deroko said the Intrepid's mast would have to be lowered if it was to clear the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges.

Rather than being lifted out of the water, the Intrepid probably would be repaired on an enclosed graving dock, Mr. Deroko said. Tugs push ships into a graving dock, then the doors are closed and the water is pumped out, allowing workers to walk around the hull.

Bucky McAllister, a vice president of McAllister Towing, a tugboat service in Manhattan, said he was eagerly awaiting official word of the plans for the Intrepid, which he described as "confidential." He said his company would gladly accept the assignment of moving the ship around the harbor.

The buzz about the Intrepid's impending shore leave has been making the rounds of the ship's former crewmen. Charles Coppess, who spent two years aboard the Intrepid from 1959 to 1961 and now lives in Portage, Ind., said he heard talk at a reunion of the ship's alumni last week in Louisville, Ky., that it might be headed for a dry dock in Bayonne.

Executives of Bayonne Dry Dock and Repair Corporation, which was frequently mentioned as a possible site for the repairs, did not respond to several requests for comment this week.

If city officials knew more about the plans for moving one of the city's better-known attractions, they were not saying.

Three members of Community Board 4 met yesterday morning aboard the Intrepid with executives of the Intrepid Museum Foundation. But they came away with few details about the plan, said John Doswell, a co-chairman of the board's waterfront and parks committee.

Mr. Doswell said that William White, president of the foundation, had indicated that the ship's removal for repair would coincide with the replacement of Pier 86, the city-owned dock that the Intrepid is tied to.

The work on the pier could take up to two years, Mr. Doswell said, but he added that he did not yet know when the Intrepid would leave its berth or when it would return. He said Mr. White promised to lay out his plans in detail at the next public meeting of Community Board 4, on July 13.

Connie Fishman, president of the Hudson River Park Trust, which oversees the development of public space along the riverfront and leases Pier 86 from the city, said she understood that the Intrepid officials wanted to move the ship as soon as they could, but that there were bureaucratic hurdles in the way. She said she did not expect work on the pier, much of which will be paid for with federal funds, to begin until next year.

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June 19th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Here are some nice pictures from the intrepid. i took them in june 2004.

June 19th, 2006, 05:34 PM
Just watched a movie on DVD last night that had some scenes shot on the Intrepid. National Treasure with Nicholas Cage. Pretty good movie.

July 6th, 2006, 05:43 AM
July 6, 2006
Intrepid Will Cross River for Refitting, Then Return to a Rebuilt Pier

A computer-generated rendering of the refurbished Intrepid and the rebuilt Pier 86. The Concorde is to be moved onto the pier, and after the carrier is patched and painted in New Jersey and Staten Island, hopes are to have it back by Fleet Week in May 2008.

The aircraft carrier Intrepid, the military museum that has been docked on the Hudson River for 24 years, is scheduled to close on Oct. 1 and will be moved soon afterward to New Jersey for repairs and Staten Island for renovation.

The final details are still subject to the nautical and political tides, but Bill White, the president of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, said yesterday that about a month after the museum closed, the carrier would be towed away from its mooring at Pier 86, West 46th Street and 12th Avenue, and is not expected to return for 18 months.

The museum's directors approved the general plan last week after Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and the City Council agreed to provide a total of $17 million over the next two years for the overhaul of the carrier and the pier, Mr. White said. Gov. George E. Pataki pledged an additional $5 million in state economic development funds. In addition, $35.5 million in federal funds would raise the public financing for the project to $57.5 million, which should cover all the costs, he said.

Governor Pataki and Council Speaker Christine C. Quinn are scheduled to hold a news conference about the overhaul plan aboard the carrier today.

Arnold Fisher, a developer whose family has run the Intrepid Foundation for more than 20 years, said that without the money from the city and state, the Intrepid's future as a military museum was uncertain.

"The ship goes back to the Navy if this didn't all come together," said Mr. Fisher, chairman of the private, nonprofit foundation.

Ms. Quinn said, "My sense is that if the city hadn't stepped forward, that the Intrepid's days may very well have been numbered." She added, "To have lost the Intrepid now would have sent a terrible message to the men and women who are fighting overseas."

Mr. Fisher said he would push hard for the pier to be rebuilt quickly so that the Intrepid can return for Fleet Week, the Navy's annual celebration here, in May 2008.

While it is gone, New York City will be missing one of its more popular tourist attractions, the focal point for military celebrations and an emergency location for federal agencies in the event of a terrorist attack or natural disaster.

Within hours of the Sept. 11 attacks, the F.B.I. asked for space on the carrier to house hundreds of its agents displaced from their offices downtown, Mr. White said. The museum remained closed for five weeks while the agents were there, he said.

After Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast last summer, the Federal Emergency Management Agency asked to use the Intrepid in the event New York is hit by a hurricane or other disaster, Mr. White said. He said the Intrepid's executives have agreed to honor any such requests.

"We're an auxiliary to them," Mr. White said. "We might not be the first place they go, but they know they can go here if necessary."

Last fall, when the Intrepid's officials were planning a new design for Pier 86, they considered a plan with two levels, the lower one being available for law enforcement agencies in an emergency, Mr. White said. That plan was scrapped in favor of a plan for a single-deck pier with red and blue stripes on its top. A Concorde supersonic transport jet, which now sits on a barge on the opposite side of the pier from the Intrepid, will be placed on the end of the rebuilt pier, he said.

Intrepid officials considered trying to repair the pier without moving the carrier, but they decided that doing that could take five years and cost $100 million, Mr. White said. In the current plan, the work on the pier is expected to cost $35 million, most of which would come from $31 million that was appropriated by Congress in late 2004 for the Hudson River Park Trust, a city-state authority that controls the pier. Another Congressional appropriation of $4.5 million to the museum is pending, he said.

The 900-foot-long carrier, which has not moved since it arrived in 1982, will go first to a dry dock in Bayonne, N.J., for up to 60 days of patching, scraping and repainting of the hull, Mr. White said. From there, it will be towed to a pier on Staten Island, where, at the invitation of the mayor, it will stay rent-free until Pier 86 has been rebuilt, he said.

The carrier will not be open to the public while it is away. Instead, the foundation will use the time to make some improvements, including installing a mezzanine in the main exhibit hall and creating space for the public to get to the anchor chain, whose links weigh 270 pounds each.

Moving the 40,000-ton Intrepid will require six to eight tugboats with at least 5,000 horsepower each, Mr. White said. Getting the carrier out into the river will take about six hours and moving it gently to Bayonne four more, he said.

Before it can be moved, the silt that has piled up around the hull on the river bottom must be dredged. Mr. White said he hoped to receive approval for the dredging from the Army Corps of Engineers within two weeks. Harbor officials also have to approve moving the carrier.

The foundation's directors have their sights set on Veterans Day, Nov. 11, as the day to send the carrier down the river with fanfare, but the tides may not cooperate. Tide tables show that the river may be at its highest on the evening of Nov. 4, Mr. White said, making that the best time to try to dislodge the Intrepid.

"If we can move it on another day, we're pretty confident we can make it the 11th," Mr. White said.

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August 23rd, 2006, 03:26 PM
Here are other renderings...




USS Intrepid Museum Master Plan
New York, New York

One of New York City's most visited attractions, the USS Intrepid Museum honors our veterans, educates the public and inspires young people from around the world. In 1943, the USS Intrepid aircraft carrier was commissioned for service in World War II and went on to serve as a primary recovery vessel for NASA and then in Vietnam. The museum features a range of interactive exhibits and events that make Intrepid a snapshot of heroism, education, and excitement. The Master Plan for the Intrepid and the adjoining Pier 86 will guide future development of the Intrepid Museum and its connection to the Hudson River Park.


September 30th, 2006, 01:32 PM
Don't Miss the Boat!

On October 1st, Intrepid goes 'on leave' as she closes for repair and renovation.
But you still have one last week to say bon voyage.

Our "Bon Voyage Bash" will make sure she goes out in style: interactive displays, educational demos, guided tours, music, prizes and fireworks! Together, we can make sure this great American hero and your family, share a weekend to remember.


Saturday, September 30th - 10am-9pm
Last ticket sold at 7:30pm
Fireworks at 8pm
11am – 4pm Pier 86 – 88th Army Band
4pm – 7pm FDNY Band
7pm – 8pm USO Metropolitan Troupe
8pm Fireworks Show


Sunday, October 1st - 10am-6pm
Last ticket sold at 5pm
Grand Prize drawing for Lucky Visitor at 11am
Education Demos at 1pm, 2pm & 3pm

Weekend events include:
Interactive displays from US Marines, US Army, US Coast Guard, FDNY and others.
Education demos * FREE guided tours * Music performances * Giveaways


Intrepid to close Oct. 1 for 18 months of renovations

The Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum (http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/intrepidmuseum/index.php?MERCURYSID=d9fb4d0dae8c6b67dca473f2d128e 786) will close to the public (http://www.ny.gov/governor/press/06/0706064.html) starting October 1 and embark on 18 months of repairs to the aircraft carrier, its dock, decommissioned nuclear submarine and Concorde.

On Veterans Day, November 11, it will be towed from Pier 86 -- its home for the past 24 years -- down the Hudson to Bayonne Dry Dock & Repair Corporation for the first phase of repairs.

It's scheduled to return to Manhattan in time for Fleet Week 2008.

The $55 million project will refurbish the ship, overhaul interior and exterior exhibits, and also allow for the purchase of more historic aircraft. Pier 86 will be demolished and replaced with a new pier better able to accommodate the museum's 770,000 annual visitors. Plans also call for the opening of the engine room and other technical parts of the ship that have been off-limits to tourists, according to Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-ship0707,0,2206372.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines) ...

The Intrepid is docked at Pier 86, located at 46th Street along the West Side Highway.

October 2nd, 2006, 10:13 AM
Saturday night was nice there. It rained a bit around when the fireworks started, made it more exciting getting up down the ladders, that is for sure! They were doing the take-yer-picture to rty and hawk it to you and the way out thing. My wife about flipped when the guy told her it was for security purposes, until I clued her in that he was pulling her leg. We told them we were Amish and it was against our religion to have our photo taken, he said they get that a lot, haha.

In any case, I'm glad we got a chance to run out there before the big revamp, the kids had never been before. Plus, they behaved themselves halfway decently since they were tuckered out from an afternoon track meet before we went!

October 2nd, 2006, 01:05 PM
Wanted: Parking Spot in Manhattan, Size XXXXL

The Concorde, part of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, has been on a barge on
the West Side of Manhattan for two and a half years. But pier repairs are forcing it to move.

Published: September 30, 2006 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/30/nyregion/30concorde.html)

If you think finding a space to park a car in New York City is hard, try finding a spot for a 203-foot-long supersonic jet.

That is the challenge facing the operators of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, who are searching for someplace to stow a Concorde for the next 18 months. Its owner, British Airways, would prefer a place in Manhattan where hordes of tourists and other potential customers will see it. Oh, and they would rather not pay any parking fee.

The pointy-nosed jet has been perched on a barge on the West Side of Manhattan for the last two and a half years. But, like its neighbor, the Intrepid, an aircraft carrier that houses the museum, it must make way for repairs to a crumbling pier.

The Intrepid, which has not budged from its berth in more than 25 years, will be closed to visitors after tomorrow because it is scheduled to be towed to Bayonne, N.J., in early November for an overhaul. After repairs, it will be towed to Staten Island until the pier is ready. But officials of British Airways, which lent the Concorde to the museum in 2004, want a more visible setting for the jet, which they consider a three-dimensional billboard for their business, said John Lampl, a spokesman for the airline.

“Ideally, we’d want to keep it in Manhattan, in New York City, in some place that’s high in traffic on the tourism beat, so to speak,” Mr. Lampl said. But, he added, “It’s not something that you can just park in the middle of Fifth Avenue.”

The plane made its last commercial run over the Atlantic Ocean in October 2003, pushed into early retirement by its voracious appetite for fuel and high cost of maintenance. It is one of just three on display in the United States, Mr. Lampl said. The others are at flight museums in Virginia and Seattle, he said. (This particular plane holds the record for the fastest commercial trip from New York to London, at just under 2 hours 53 minutes.)

The airline’s demand sent Intrepid officials to the phones, dialing for sympathy and space, along the waterfront if possible. They have tried the South Street Seaport, various ferry and tourist-boat operators, even the New York Hall of Science in Queens, all to no avail.

“It would be a nice little draw for a little while,” said Jeff Remling, director of operations at the South Street Seaport Museum. But, he said, “We just can’t physically get it in here.”

Besides, Mr. Remling added, a late-20th-century plane would not exactly fit with his museum’s 19th-century maritime theme.

The Hall of Science has a collection of rockets on display but even if it did have enough room for a jet with a wingspan of almost 84 feet, there would be the problem of getting the 80-ton Concorde off the barge, onto a flatbed and through the underpasses of the Grand Central Parkway.

“The Concorde’s just enormous,” said Marilyn Hoyt, the hall’s president. “They need an absolutely enormous space and they need it consistently through these years. So we’re not going to be their site, although we would have loved to have the Concorde here.”

Bill White, the president of the Intrepid museum, estimated that the museum will incur a deficit of about $4.5 million from the time it closes tomorrow evening until it reopens back at Pier 86 on the West Side in the spring of 2008.

It cannot afford to pay much to relocate the Concorde in the interim and, he said, he would prefer to sell the barge the jet sits on as soon as possible.

He characterized the odds of finding a temporary home in Manhattan as “slim” but like a New York driver circling the block for the fourth time, he held out hope that a parking space would present itself.

“I think we’re going to find a home for it and I hope it’s one of prominence,” he said.

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October 27th, 2006, 12:22 PM
October 27, 2006

Intrepid's Last Adventure (For Now)

Posted by Jen Chung


Ooh - the Daily News reports that the Intrepid is auctioning off (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/465620p-391777c.html) a special day for six guests to be on the aircraft carrier when it leaves its Manhattan dock and goes somewhere (more on that later) on November 6. It's a crazy trip that includes breakfast with Senator Clinton, former mayors Ed Koch and David Dinkins and other dignitaries and taking a helicopter ride off the deck when it passes the Statue of Liberty! They'll meet different veterans who served on the Intrepid and get a gift bag of wood from the flight deck and Intrepid apparel.

The catch? The minimum bid for the six-person experience is $100,000. Yikes! But here's the eBay listing (http://www.ebay.com/intrepidadventure).

As for where the Intrepid (http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/) will be docked while it's repaired is now unknown. It turns out the pier in Bayonne (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/27/nyregion/27intrepid.html) where the Intrepid was supposed to go has crumbled. All we're going to say is that it's better they found out now before taking the 27,000 ton carrier there.

Photograph of the Conorde at the Intrepid from merlinsclaw on Flickr (http://flickr.com/photos/22728237@N00/155861319/)

2003-2006 Gothamist LLC.

October 28th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Does anyone know exactly what Nov 6th holds in store with regard to the towing?

I've been thinking about heading over to the West side to try to get a few pictures of the goings on, but I don't know what time the actual towing will get underway.

Couldn't find any relevant info on intrepidmuseum.org.



October 29th, 2006, 09:49 AM
I read somewhere that the plan is that the first move will take place at ~ 9 AM.

The move is based on high tide: http://www.saltwatertides.com/cgi-local/newyork.cgi ...

Tides for Edgewater, N.J. starting with November 6, 2006.

On November 6 the High Tide at Edgewater is at 8:40 AM

October 29th, 2006, 02:44 PM
From the World Ship Society, Port of New York Branch:

On Monday November 6th, McAllister Towing will shift the 920-foot aircraft carrier USS Intrepid from Pier 86, North River to Bayonne, NJ. Prior to getting under way, a ceremony will feature several dignitaries such as Senator Hillary Clinton and former NYC mayors David Dinkins and Ed Koch. Depending on tide and weather, the operation may consist of up to five McAllister tugs. At approximately 11a.m. the Intrepid should pass the World Trade Center site where a 100-ft. American flag will be unfurled from the flight deck. Following that will be a tribute opposite the Statue of Liberty accompanied by former crew members who served aboard the USS Intrepid during WWII. The USS Intrepid has been stationed at Pier 86 for 23 years, and for the next two years, it is scheduled to undergo major renovations while its pier has a complete rebuild.

November 6th, 2006, 10:52 AM
Propellers stuck in mud when Intrepid was pulled partially out of her slip beside Pier 86; relocation delayed to another day.

November 6th, 2006, 10:53 AM
November 6, 2006

BREAKING NEWS: The Coast Guard says it is stopping efforts to move the USS Intrepid because the ship is stuck in the mud.

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November 6th, 2006, 11:02 AM

NEW YORK — After 24 years at the same Hudson River pier, the legendary aircraft carrier USS Intrepid (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('USS Intrepid');) was inched out of its berth by powerful tugboats on Monday — but it never got under sail because it got stuck in the mud as the tide went down.

The mission was scrubbed for the day at around 10:30 a.m., according to Dan Bender, a Coast Guard spokesman.

The Intrepid's giant propellers got stuck in the mud as the tugboats strained to move the behemoth. It eventually began inching backward out of its berth — but moved only a few feet.

"We knew it was not going to come out like a cruise ship," said Matt Woods, the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum's vice president for operations.

Under clear blue skies, the tugboats, one tooting its horn, began guiding the massive vessel after crew members tossed a line, symbolically detaching the ship.

Helicopters flew overhead; New York Police Department (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('New York Police Department');) blue-and-white power boats, two Fire Department boats and a Coast Guard cutter were on hand to accompany the aircraft carrier — which has no engines of its own.

A daylong journey had been planned across the river to New Jersey for $60 million in restorations and repairs.

Elected officials and dozens of former crew members had attended the sendoff ceremony

November 6th, 2006, 11:22 AM
Tides Calculator for NY Bay (http://www.saltwatertides.com/dynamic.dir/newyorksites.html)

November 6th, 2006, 07:31 PM
I went to Pier 84 around 8:30 -- caught all the speeches by Zach Foster, Schumer, Koch, Dinkins, Hillary, etc.

Then around 9:15 we all moved down to the end of the pier to watch the Intrepid slide out to sea ...

One Huge Tug with a chain lashed onto the Intrepid pulled ... after 5 minutes or so she had moved about 1 foot.

A couple of more tugs tossed out some lines and lashed on .. another few feet.

A big Fire boat hooked up to the Huge Tug -- both tried pulling the Intrepid. Another couple of feet ...

A couple more tugs lashed onto the Fire boat / Huge Tug and pulled and pulled and pulled ...


By then it was coming up on 11 AM. Three of the smaller tugs undid their lines and headed back down the Hudson.

No announcement, but it was clear the mission had NOT been accomplished.

On my way out I talked with a guy wearing an Intrepid Museum shirt. his off the record comment was that the powers that be knew this would happen. But all the pols wanted the photo op before the election tomorrow. It was pre-planned to try again at next high tide in early December.

Wonder how much this little bit of theater cost NYC tax payers (lots of cops and firemen all around)?

Some of the boats ...


November 7th, 2006, 11:00 AM
I wish I knew it was a publicity stunt too, my whole office had invited people to take adcantage of our view as it was supposed to stop in front of the WTC.

November 7th, 2006, 12:24 PM
I read somewhere online yesterday that the cost of the attempt was $250K.

It wouldn't surprise me that the whole thing was a pre-election photo-op, but the date chosen was the highest high-high tide for at least the next six months.

November 7th, 2006, 04:18 PM
Can't they tie a line to the next Norwegian Dawn leaving?

But seriously, more tugs?

November 7th, 2006, 06:01 PM
They've got to dredge out the mud first to make sure there is enough clearance (I read they had estimated that yesterday there would be ~ 1 foot clearance).

Don't know if you've ever run aground in a boat before, but there is a risk of damage if you drag the hull of a boat across a river bottom.

November 12th, 2006, 08:50 AM
November 12, 2006

Navy Joins New York Effort to Free Ship Stuck in River


The United States Navy has agreed to spend as much as $3 million to rescue the Intrepid, a retired aircraft carrier that has been trapped in the mud off Manhattan since Monday, federal officials said yesterday.

After hearing appeals from several members of Congress, the mayor of New York City and the governor of New York, the Navy agreed to send a salvage team to engineer a second effort to free the Intrepid from the mucky bottom of the Hudson River, the officials said. The Navy expects to have the ship ready to be towed within three weeks, said Bill White, the president of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, which the ship has housed since 1982.

Mr. White said he sought help from the Navy and the Army Corps of Engineers on Monday afternoon, just hours after a team of tugboats failed to move the Intrepid more than 15 feet from its berth at Pier 86 on the West Side. The ship was bound for a dry dock in Bayonne, N.J., and the first stage of a two-year overhaul, but the tugboat operators gave up after the ship’s hull became wedged in a mound of mud.

The failure ruined an elaborate farewell celebration that drew two senators, two former mayors and several military and city officials. Since then, Mr. White and his staff have huddled with officials of the Navy and the Corps of Engineers to draw up a foolproof plan to move the ship to Bayonne.

“I feel like we may have let so many people down,” Mr. White said. “We’re not going to go through this on a second round. I can promise people that.”

Mr. White said the Navy’s mission was to “free the vessel for tow.” Doing so, he said, will involve clearing an enormous amount of mud from under the ship for the second time in a month.

The foundation that operates the museum spent about $1.6 million to dredge more than 15,000 cubic yards of muck from under the ship’s stern in October. But the ship’s four giant propellers, which were not clear, dug into the mud when the tugboats started pulling.

The Intrepid’s stern now sits about two feet higher than its bow, said Peter Shugert, a spokesman for the Corps of Engineers. That position is placing stress on the plates in its keel and could cause damage to the hull, Mr. Shugert said.

“That’s why the Army Corps of Engineers said we’ve got to expedite this permit,” Mr. Shugert said.

At 8 p.m. Friday, the corps approved modifications to a dredging permit it had previously granted, Mr. Shugert said. The revised permit allows for the digging of a trench 35 feet deep along the starboard side of the ship and for the vacuuming of mud from under the hull at the ship’s stern, Mr. Shugert said.

Usually, dredging is not allowed in or around New York harbor after Nov. 1 because that is about the time the water turns cold and some fish swim up from the ocean seeking a winter haven, Mr. Shugert said. But, he said, the river water, now at about 55 degrees, is unusually warm, making it less harmful to dredge.

The new plan shocked Marcy Benstock, director of the Clean Air Campaign, an environmental group, who said that the dredging would destroy an important habitat for several types of fish, including striped bass, which migrate downriver.

“It’s an excuse they cooked up to do what shouldn’t be done,” Ms. Benstock said. “The corps and other officials should stop putting special interests before the need to preserve the lower Hudson River as an open river and stop misusing public funds for habitat-destroying schemes like this one.”

Mr. White said the second round of dredging would probably cost more than the first, though he declined to provide an estimate. But Patricia Dolan, a spokeswoman for the Navy Sea Systems Command in Washington, said Intrepid officials told the Navy that the project could cost $3 million.

Ms. Dolan said Navy divers were scheduled to be in the Hudson River tomorrow to get a close look at what is locking the Intrepid in place. She said the secretary of the Navy “determined that the Intrepid was in a precarious situation” and approved the plan after Mr. White pledged to repay the costs.

“We don’t have the money right now to get this done,” Mr. White said. But he added, “We agreed that we would make best efforts to repay the Navy for these services.”

Mr. White said that McAllister Towing, the tugboat operator that Intrepid officials paid $250,000 for the first attempt, agreed to provide its services again at no cost. He said no date had been set for the second try.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

November 17th, 2006, 07:31 AM
Ship's propellers in mud, divers say


Newsday Staff Writer

November 16, 2006

Divers have determined that the propellers of the USS Intrepid are fully or partially encased in thick mud, so around-the-clock dredging is expected to continue at least into next week to free the aircraft carrier for its delayed trip to a New Jersey dry dock for an overhaul.

A second round of dredging began Monday to remove a mud "speed bump" under the stern that prevented the 29,000-ton vessel from being moved more than 15 feet on Nov. 6.

A contractor hired by the Navy is using cranes with clamshell buckets to dredge approximately 35,000 cubic yards of mud along the aft end of the starboard, or right, side of the ship to create a 200-foot by 30-foot hole that is 35 feet deep. That trench will probably allow the ship to be pulled both sideways out from the dock and backward, and it will allow mud to be removed from the four propellers with suction dredges.

Bill White, president of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, of which the Intrepid is the centerpiece, said six divers working for the contractor confirmed in several dives Tuesday the earlier speculation that the propellers had pushed up a mud mound during the aborted move.

"This tells us that it's a very serious condition down there so the dredging continues 24/7," he said.

White said he is still hoping to move the 920-foot ship to Bayonne during the monthly lunar high tides the first week of December.

In the meantime, the fact that the stern of the ship is resting on the mud pile and is several feet higher than the bow, leaving the ship unevenly supported, remains a problem.

"We're very concerned about the stress and potential fractures underneath the hull," White said.

As a result, the museum has called in the federal National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration's environmental response unit for help in case the hull fractures and releases oily ballast water into the river.

"Once we're in Bayonne, we're going to dredge all that stuff out of there," White said.

White said before the first attempted move, the museum had divers and engineers survey the river bed and "it was determined that the silt was light and airy" and would be able to be pushed out of the way as the ship was towed backward into the middle of the Hudson River. But it's now clear, he said, that the immense weight of the ship compacted the silt into dense mud.

The $3-million dredging operation is being paid for by the Navy, and the museum may reimburse the service.

Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc.

November 17th, 2006, 08:01 AM
You gotta wonder who that first team of divers / engineers worked for (the ones who determined that the silt beneath the Intrepid was "light and airy" and therby posed no problem) -- and how they were so off the mark in their conclusions ...

November 17th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Staten Island
Dredging At Intrepid To Continue Despite Contamination Concerns
November 16, 2006

Staten Island lawmakers voiced concern Thursday about the dredging being done to try and free the USS Intrepid, saying the silt being removed from the Hudson River could be contaminated.

Dredging, however, will continue and is now a 24-hour-a-day operation.

The U.S. Navy and Army Corps of Engineers have to work quickly to get the muck out from underneath the aircraft carrier, so she can be moved safely to New Jersey for renovations.

Silt from under the ship is being taken to the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island for use as capping material, and that has some local lawmakers concerned.

"The silt on the bottom of the Hudson is supposedly contaminated. So now you want to take 15,000 tons, or whatever the heck it is, and dump it on Staten Island," said S.I. Councilman James Oddo. "I think it's a natural reaction by the elected officials to say, 'Wait a second. Before this decision is implemented, we have lots of questions.'"

Critics wonder if the silt is contaminated with PCBs, and what kind of testing and treatment will be done to ensure it is safe for disposal at Fresh Kills, the future home of a park.

“We are concerned that perhaps there is not a proper procedure in place to ensure that the fill being brought from, whether it’s the Hudson River or anywhere else, to the Fresh Kills park is clean and is safe,” said Staten Island City Councilman Andrew Lanza.

Intrepid officials say they understand the concerns, but promise the dredged material will only be taken to Fresh Kills once it is deemed safe. They say they are taking every possible precaution.

"The material that is being dredged is being processed by the Navy Contractors to very rigorous standards, and we will hold all accountable to that, because it's very important for the Intrepid. And the Navy is doing that," said Intrepid Museum President Bill White. "The State Department of Environmental Conservation tests this material and makes absolutely, positively sure it's okay to go into Fresh Kills."

After the mud is dredged it will go to a facility in New Jersey where it will be tested and then mixed with Portland cement before being brought to Fresh Kills.

Intrepid officials expect it will take several weeks before the dredging is completed.

November 21st, 2006, 01:06 AM
Intrepid Has Not Moved,
but the Bill Has Risen to $60 Million

Marko Georgiev for The New York Times
A diver retained by the Navy jumped from a barge last Tuesday to study the hull
of the U.S.S. Intrepid, which remains stuck in Hudson River mud.

nytimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/nyregion/21intrepid.html?ref=nyregion)
November 21, 2006

As a Navy salvage team works to free the World War II aircraft carrier Intrepid from a mound of mud in the Hudson River, the cost of fixing up the floating museum and its dock is rising to more than $60 million.

And even though the museum is privately run, virtually every dollar for the overhaul will come from taxpayers. Before the Intrepid’s operators sent an S.O.S. call to the Navy two weeks ago, the renovation project had already received pledges of $31 million from the federal government, $23 million from the city and $5 million from the state. Now the Navy is joining in to spend about $3 million to dig the ship out.

This level of government largess for a private museum, though not unprecedented, is rare. But the Intrepid offers elected officials in New York something other museums do not: an opportunity to show their support for the military regardless of their positions on the war in Iraq. Some have been sympathetic to the Intrepid’s plight because the foundation that runs the museum has also provided aid to wounded veterans and their families.

“The local officials are not for Iraq, but they were for World War II,” said Henry J. Stern, a former city parks commissioner who serves on the board of the Hudson River Park Trust, which controls the Intrepid’s pier. “This is a way of showing their commitment for America’s troops in a manner which is politically correct. It’s almost as if they want a throwback to the good wars, the wars when the country was united.”

Christine C. Quinn, the speaker of the City Council, acknowledged as much. Ms. Quinn, who opposes the war in Iraq, has been one of the Intrepid’s staunchest backers. “Supporting the Intrepid is a way of supporting the men and women in the military,” she said. “It’s even more important for those of us who stood in opposition to be supporters of our troops.”

New York’s two senators, Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton, both Democrats who have criticized President Bush’s strategy in Iraq, have also eagerly embraced the Intrepid’s cause.

The estimated cost of the entire project had topped $58 million before Nov. 6, the day a team of tugboats tried and failed to pull the ship from its berth and tow it to a dry dock in Bayonne, N.J. The Navy’s digging operation is an additional expense, which Bill White, president of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, said he had promised to try to repay.

To help with the bill, Ms. Quinn, whose 80-year-old father, Lawrence P. Quinn, served in the Navy during World War II, spurred the Council to pledge about $8.5 million for the ship’s overhaul; Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s office matched the Council’s contribution. (The Intrepid’s operators also plan to use about $5.7 million in previous financing from City Hall.) In addition, Gov. George E. Pataki pledged $5 million in early July.

Ms. Quinn has also promised $350,000 in Council funds this year to help pay for the Intrepid’s educational programs in schools while the museum is closed for the next 18 months.

More than half of the public money that has been raised — as much as $35 million — will go toward rebuilding Pier 86, for which the Intrepid pays just $1 a year in rent to the Hudson River Park Trust, Mr. White said. The rest of the cost will be for moving, repairing and refurbishing the ship.

None of the money will come from donations by corporations or wealthy individuals, sources that private museums usually tap for construction projects.

City officials said it was unusual for a private museum to have public sources cover the entire cost of a big capital project. More often, the city pays for a portion, as it did in contributing $65 million toward an $858 million new home for the Museum of Modern Art that was completed in 2004, said Kate D. Levin, commissioner of the city’s Department of Cultural Affairs.

Ms. Levin said that there was no formula for deciding how much of a project should be publicly financed because some cultural institutions, most notably art museums, have an easier time raising private money than others do.

“We do look for private participation because that speaks to the overall health of the organization,” Ms. Levin said. “If you don’t have other people that care about you, that’s a bad sign.”

But, Ms. Levin added, in deciding to contribute, city officials credited the Intrepid’s management with having raised substantial private money to finance the museum’s operations and also considered the urgent need to move the ship because of the failing condition of the pier.

Other officials were sympathetic to the Intrepid’s needs because leaders of the Intrepid Foundation had raised tens of millions of dollars from donors in recent years to aid wounded veterans and the families of soldiers killed in Iraq.

When Mr. White went to City Hall to appeal for more money this year, he explained that “we’ve been distracted by a very important mission to raise money that was needed immediately for these families,” he recounted last week, adding, “How many times can you go back to the well in a two-year period?”

A sister charity, the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund, has raised $35 million to build a rehabilitation center in Texas for soldiers wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mr. White, whose salary as president of the museum is $318,500, is also president of the Fallen Heroes Fund, which was founded by members of the Fisher family of New York. Arnold Fisher, the senior partner of the Fisher Brothers development firm, is the chairman of the museum foundation.

Mr. White also said he emphasized to city officials that the Intrepid draws tourists to New York City, and that the 750,000 people a year who visit the ship have a significant impact on the local economy. “We feel that it is a permanent fixture in New York,” Mr. White said.

Ms. Quinn, for one, was persuaded, especially, she said, after a Memorial Day meeting aboard the Intrepid with a young soldier who had lost a leg in combat.

“The Intrepid is certainly a big economic driver in the city and the borough,” she said. “It’s one of the few cultural institutions that is dedicated to the history of our military.”

She added that about 100,000 students visit the Intrepid each year, providing “a great opportunity to teach kids about the history of our country, about the Constitution, about the Bill of Rights.”

Before it closed on Oct. 1 for the overhaul, the museum employed six full-time teachers who conducted workshops for visiting students, said Fredda Plesser, executive director of the museum’s Michael Tyler Fisher Center for Education.

Some of those teachers were laid off, but with the help of grants from the city, others will continue to conduct the workshops in public schools, Ms. Plesser said. She said the museum also expected to receive $175,000 in grants from the city to run after-school programs for children.

Mr. Stern said elected officials were supportive of the Intrepid because its financial needs were great and pressing, and because its operators had nowhere else to turn.

“The sums are really so large here that I don’t see private people giving that much to this kind of museum,” Mr. Stern said. “It’s just popular education and awareness of something that’s very important and patriotic.”

Still, he added, the final cost to the taxpayers is a long way from being tallied. “If they say $60 million now,” he said, “who knows how much it will end up as?”

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

December 1st, 2006, 10:52 AM
USS Intrepid Is Freed From The Mud

ny1.com (http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=64721)
December 01, 2006

The Navy says it has wrapped up dredging the muck and mud around and under the USS Intrepid.

Last month, tugboats repeatedly tried to nudge the giant ship out of its West Side pier, to send it on its way to the first wave of renovations in Bayonne, New Jersey.

But they had to give up after several attempts.

The military was called in to free the 42,000-ton ship and crews have been working to unstick the aircraft carrier ever since.

While it's unclear when they'll pull up anchor, officials have said they want the ship to set sail before the winter.

Copyright © 2006 NY1 News.

December 1st, 2006, 10:57 AM
Highest tide (http://www.saltwatertides.com/cgi-local/newyork.cgi) in that area of the Hudson over the next month is December 4 at ~ 7:37 AM ...

December 1st, 2006, 10:04 PM
New attempt to move 'Intrepid' scheduled for Tuesday

nydailynews.com (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/476310p-400676c.html)
December 1, 2006

At high tide on Tuesday, officials will make a second attempt to move the USS Intrepid, which became mired in the mud three weeks ago when high-powered tugs tried to tow the World War II aircraft carrier down the Hudson River for renovations.

Navy crews completed their salvage operation this week, dredging tons of sediment from under the ship's stern. They were working to free four huge propellers and a rudder which burrowed themselves into thick mud mounds on Nov.6, forcing tugboats to abort the mission to bring the vessel five miles down river to Bayonne, N.J. for a two-year overhaul.

Some surveying was still being done on Friday.

Officials are now scheduled to move the engineless 36,000-ton carrier, now a museum, between 7:30 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. on Tuesday. That will enable them to take advantage of one of the year's highest tide cycles, according to Bill White, president of the Intrepid Museum Foundation.

"The unfortunate grounding has had a positive benefit," White told The Associated Press on Friday. "It has served to underscore the national importance of Intrepid's mission to always honor our heroes and educate about the price of freedom."

The Intrepid fought in every major battle in the last two years of the Pacific war, survived bombs, torpedoes and five kamikaze plane attacks and lost 270 crew members.

The keel of the historic carrier was laid seven days after the attack of Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941. It was commissioned in 1943 and later served in Korea, Vietnam and was the recovery ship for NASA astronauts.

Since the Intrepid got stuck, calls and e-mails expressing concern and offering help have come in from around the world, including the Vatican and from former crew members who served on the Intrepid's decks, according to White.

"Once Intrepid is moved, we have to harness all of this positive energy we have received into the need to help our troops and their families," White said.

The Intrepid was rescued in 1981 from the junk heap by the late Zachary Fisher, a New York builder, who transformed the 900-foot-long aircraft carrier into a sea, air and space museum. It draws about 700,000 visitors annually.

After a quarter of a century moored to the same berth, Pier 86, in the Hudson River, the ship is overdue for restoration and refurbishment.

The $60 million project provides for the ship's repair and the rebuilding of the deteriorating pier where Intrepid is moored and where it will return in November 2008.

"It was a demanding task that required long hours and dedicated people to set her free to make her next voyage," said Shugert.

Once underway, the journey is expected to take about eight hours at a pokey 3 knots.

"We did the best we could to make her ready for tow," said Peter Shugert, spokesman for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which has partnered with the Navy in the salvage operation."The difference this time is there's less sediment to put her in mud lock."

Shugert said 39,000 cubic yards of the material has been dredged: Picture roughly 4,000 dump trucks worth of sediment, perhaps rolling down the New Jersey Turnpike, Los Angeles freeway or a meandering Kansas farm road. In this case, the material is environmentally processed and taken by barge to the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island.

All contents © 2006 Daily News, L.P.

December 1st, 2006, 11:16 PM
How's the tide on Tuesday?

December 2nd, 2006, 08:59 AM
Tables give tidal readings for Weehawken & Edgewater (seemingly the closest locations to Pier 84).

High tide on Tuesday December 5 is slightly lower than the high tide on Monday December 4 ... and one hour later on Tuesday than Monday:


Day.....High Tide........Height

M 4.....7:37 AM..........5.4

Tu 5....8:24 AM..........5.3

Day.....High Tide........Height

M 4.....7:19 AM.........5.6

Tu 5....8:06 AM.........5.5

December 3rd, 2006, 08:06 PM
Let's keep our fingers crossed this time. http://images.skyscraperpage.com/images/smilies/fingerscrossed.gif

December 5th, 2006, 09:34 AM
Freed at last. USS Intrepid moving down the Hudson this morning (from the ESB webcam):

December 5th, 2006, 09:45 AM
USS Intrepid moving down the Hudson this morning.


December 5th, 2006, 10:04 AM
Nice. Anyone know if the plan is still Bayonne for awhile, then Staten Island? Or all they going to do everything in Bayonne now since they switched docks?

December 5th, 2006, 10:39 AM
Just went by the WTC with its entourage of tugs and helicopters. Unfurled a giant flag with "Honor the Heros" banner.

December 5th, 2006, 01:31 PM
They moved that baby down-river fast ...

I barely got down to BPC in time to get a glimpse.

December 5th, 2006, 05:12 PM
Intrepid pulls into Bayonne

A month after a failed attempt to move the USS Intrepid, the historic aircraft carrier is now in Bayonne.

After considerable effort, the aircraft carrier-turned-museum inched haltingly away from its anchorage this morning and then slowly made its way to Bayonne, where it will be dry docked for repair.

On the way, it stopped in front of Ground Zero and the Statue of Liberty before pulling into the Cape Liberty Cruise Port at the Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor just after 3 p.m. It sat motionless for more than an hour near Bayonne before pulling in.

In the previous attempt, thick mud had proved too strong for six "tractor tugs'' exerting some 30,000 horsepower. Another battle occurred this time, too — the blue water was churned dark brown as tugboats strained to budge the giant vessel from its longtime home.

"If she doesn't move, we are going to jump in and push her,'' a former crew member, 84-year-old Joe Cobert, said on the Intrepid's deck before the behemoth began to move.

A Fire Department boat sailed alongside the Intrepid, shooting red, white and blue colored water from its hoses. River traffic resumed after being halted while the ship was pulling away from the pier.

In the first attempt on Nov. 6, the 36,000-ton carrier moved only a few feet before the propellers dug into the bottom, the tide dropped, and the mission was scrubbed.

Intrepid officials said the $60 million overhaul, lasting up to two years, would include stem-to-stern "refurbishment and renovation'' to repair deterioration and open up long-closed areas to the public.

Associated Press


Also yes it will remain in Bayonne for the entire two years of rehabilitation.

December 6th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Briefly, Slowly, the Intrepid Moves Again

A month after a first effort failed, tugboats Tuesday
got the carrier Intrepid free of the river mud at its
West Side pier and off to Bayonne, N.J., for
refurbishment. It is due back in New York in 2008.

Published: December 6, 2006 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/nyregion/06intrepid.html)

For about 30 minutes yesterday morning, the second attempt to pull the Intrepid away from its longtime home on the West Side of Manhattan felt like another embarrassing failure.

While three powerful tugboats strained against ropes and chains attached to the stern of the 900-foot-long aircraft carrier, it moved a few feet and then stopped again. There was a collective sense of déjà vu among the 20 former Intrepid crewmen assembled on the decks by invitation. One month ago, the first try at towing the ship away for repairs and refurbishment of the museum it houses had ended in just about the same spot.

This time, just as the tugboat operators were starting to give up hope, the old ship yielded, sliding free of the muck and away from the pier that has been its home since 1982. Pat Kinnier, who planned the towing operation for McAllister Towing, yelled out, “We got it!” and hugged Bill White, the president of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum.

The men who had spent months preparing the Intrepid for its first voyage in 24 years admitted that for several minutes they had feared that the 36,000-ton ship might never budge.

“Just when I was ready to say this isn’t going anywhere again and I was formulating my defeat speech, she moved,” said Jeffrey K. McAllister, senior docking pilot for McAllister Towing. “If we had one less horsepower with us today, we’d still be sitting back there scratching our heads.”

The Intrepid docked in Bayonne, N.J., at 3:40 p.m., where the hull will be sandblasted and repainted in March. In late spring, it is to be towed again, to Staten Island, where its exhibition spaces will be renovated. It is to return to Pier 86, at the foot of West 46th Street, in November 2008.

On Nov. 6, the McAllister crew eventually applied almost 30,000 horsepower to the job, only to come away frustrated when the carrier’s four giant propellers dug into a mound of sediment after moving just 10 feet. A crowd of politicians, military officials and onlookers that had filled a neighboring pier to see the ship off left disappointed.

After that high-profile fiasco, Intrepid officials implored the United States Navy and the Army Corps of Engineers to help. They brought in divers to survey the river bottom under the ship and monitor the dredging of 39,000 cubic yards of mud to free the hull and the propellers.

That project, completed late last week at a cost of about $3 million, should have cleared the way for a smooth second effort, the engineers said. Col. Nello L. Tortora, commander of the Army Corps of Engineers in New York, said that since the tide yesterday was more than five feet higher than normal and the wind lighter than expected, “we got all the right conditions.”

Still, when the tugs revved their engines at 8:30 a.m., the going proved a little rougher and slower than expected. Combined, the three tugboats hooked to the stern had more than 15,000 horsepower. Two of them, the Christine M. McAllister and the Rowan M. McAllister, pulled on heavy iron chains to move the ship a few feet to one side and into a 35-foot-deep trench dredged in the bottom.

The chains clanged and the steel frame of the ship creaked. As the tugs heaved toward New Jersey, another tug, the Robert M. McAllister, pushed the stern away from the pier, then shifted around to join the others in pulling westward.

“Instantly, she moved the same 10 feet, and I said, ‘This is going to be easy,’ ” Mr. McAllister said. “And then she stopped and I said, ‘Oh, no.’ ”

Mr. McAllister urged the tugboat pilots to try to “wiggle” the hull to break the grip of the mud. Suddenly, the Intrepid started inching away. Soon, the pace picked up and the stern slipped past the dozens of observers gathered at the end of Pier 84 to the south. Just after 9 a.m., the Intrepid glided into the shipping channel for the first time since it arrived at Pier 86 in 1982. Two city fireboats saluted it by spraying streams of water into the air.

The former Intrepid crewmen, given a chance to feel their old ship moving under them one more time, were making the trip down the river for sentiment, not for comfort. It was cold.

“I’m a lot warmer now that we’re moving,” said Jack Hurff, a Linden, N.J., resident who served on the Intrepid from 1957 to 1960. “It’s a thrill for me to be back here and to be taking part in this historic moment.”

At 10:22 a.m., as the ship passed ground zero, 16 of the former crewmen managed to unfurl a giant American flag from an upper railing of the ship.

“I feel like I’m 21 again,” said Felix A. Novelli, 81, a Southampton, N.Y., resident who served on the Intrepid in the South Pacific from 1944 to 1946. Mr. Novelli said the Intrepid, which was commissioned in 1943 and survived five kamikaze attacks, a torpedo and a bombing in World War II service, would not be deterred by a few feet of mud.

“Determination can conquer almost anything,” Mr. Novelli said.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

December 6th, 2006, 06:36 PM
More photos from that ^ NY Times article.

After three weeks of dredging provided by the United States Navy to clear the Intrepid’s four giant propellers from the river bottom for a
second try, the lead tug, the Christine M. McAllister, started pulling at 8:30 a.m.

For the first 25 minutes, the ship hardly budged, and officials who had gathered for the event looked concerned. But just before 9 a.m.,
the Intrepid began slipping away from the pier.

The Intrepid moving south along the Hudson River, with the midtown Manhattan skyline at rear.

Once the 900-foot-long World War II-era aircraft carrier was finally clear of the berth that has been its home since 1982, the tugs began
towing it stern-first down the river toward the Statue of Liberty in New York harbor.

The slow five-mile voyage to Bayonne, N.J., continues.

An aerial view.

The Intrepid passing Battery Park City.

The Intrepid passing the Statue of Liberty.

The aircraft carrier traveled down the Hudson River.

A huge flag was unfurled as the carrier passed ground zero and headed to drydock in Bayonne, N.J.

December 6th, 2006, 06:42 PM

On board the Intrepid.

An aerial view.

Passing the Statue of Liberty.

The Statue of Liberty was visible through the window of an airplane on deck.

The Intrepid leaves Manhattan behind.

As the Intrepid arrived in Bayonne, N.J., a deck hand threw a docking chain to crew members who would tie the ship to the dock.

April 10th, 2007, 07:17 AM
April 10, 2007

Intrepid to Be Dry-Docked for Repairs to Hull


The aircraft carrier Intrepid, the floating military museum, is scheduled to move again early today, but this short voyage should be much smoother than the ship’s difficult departure from Manhattan last year.

The Intrepid, which has been tied up at a cruise-ship mooring in Bayonne, N.J., since December, is bound for a two-month stay in an adjacent dry dock. This will be the first time the 41,000-ton ship has been out of water in 30 years, according to Bill White, president of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum.

A team of tugboats will push the Intrepid to the mouth of the dry dock, a concrete bathtub that is 52 feet deep and about 1,100 feet long, one end of which is removable. After the ship floats in, the removable section will be put back in place and pumps will drain the water.

Once the water is gone and the ship is standing on blocks of concrete and wood, a crew will patch and paint the Intrepid’s 64-year-old steel hull, Mr. White said. They will also remove the ship’s four giant propellers, which got stuck in the Hudson River mud during the first attempt to move the Intrepid in November, he said.

“We’re going to give it an extreme makeover, of sorts, cleaning it, repairing it and fixing it up,” Mr. White said.

The $4.8 million project will not be the last stop on the Intrepid’s leave from its longtime home at Pier 86 on the West Side of Manhattan. From Bayonne, the ship is scheduled to be towed to Staten Island, where its interior spaces will be renovated and new exhibits will be installed while museum officials await the construction of a replacement for Pier 86.

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May 15th, 2008, 08:30 AM
Pier 86 renovation


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May 21st, 2008, 05:28 AM
Racing the Clock to Bring Back the Intrepid

By PATRICK McGEEHAN (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/patrick_mcgeehan/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: May 21, 2008

Getting stuck in the mud on its first attempt to leave Manhattan was not the last or the least of the troubles that the aircraft carrier Intrepid has encountered in the past 18 months.

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The military museum the ship houses was at risk of going out of business last year, as the costs of overhauling the carrier and rebuilding its home pier spiraled past $100 million, almost double the original estimate, said Bill White, president of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. To keep the work going and to stay on schedule to reopen this fall, the museum’s directors borrowed against the museum’s $15 million endowment, a move they had promised never to make, Mr. White said.

“This museum and this whole project was in danger of shutting down,” Mr. White said. “If we hadn’t taken this drastic measure to use the endowment, which I consider sacred, for this purpose, there would be no more Intrepid — unless someone was willing to write a check for 15, 20 million bucks.”

Now, with an electronic timer on a pier on the West Side counting down the days to the Intrepid’s return, museum officials are still pleading for additional public and private financing to complete the renovations on time. On the schedule that the museum set, the ship is due to be towed back from Staten Island on Oct. 2 — 134 days from Tuesday — and to have its official reopening on Veterans Day, Nov. 11.

For most of the past year, the 900-foot-long carrier has been the only warship moored at the Homeport on the north shore of Staten Island. But this week, it will have company when some active military ships sail in for Fleet Week, an event that revolved around the Intrepid until last year.

To bring the ship back in style, Mr. White has pressed the trustees of the foundation that runs the museum and other supporters to pitch in $10 million. He also has lobbied elected officials, including the city’s five borough presidents and Christine C. Quinn (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/q/christine_c_quinn/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the City Council speaker, to add as much as $10 million to the $25 million they already had promised to the Intrepid project.

But he has failed to persuade Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/michael_r_bloomberg/index.html?inline=nyt-per) to let the museum sell naming rights to the pier, now known simply as Pier 86, to a corporation, said John Gallagher, a spokesman for the mayor. The mayor is considering allowing the sale of sponsorship of the Intrepid’s visitor center, which sits at the edge of the pier, Mr. Gallagher said.

With the city budget being squeezed, city officials have not decided how much, if any, additional money they will provide.

“We are aware that the Intrepid has been facing financial challenges and that the renovation expenses are exceeding their original budget,” said Anthony Hogrebe, a spokesman for the Council. He added that the Council expected the ship to float back on time, with or without additional public money.

Moving the Intrepid became synonymous with futility in November 2006 when, with a clutch of elected officials standing by, a team of tugboats failed to budge the carrier from its mooring. City officials required the removal so that the pier could be rebuilt. After the Navy dredged out more of the muck, tugs towed the ship away for the first time in 25 years.

To prevent a repeat of that initial embarrassment, the Army Corps of Engineers (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/army_corps_of_engineers/index.html?inline=nyt-org) plans to dig an extra-wide slot in the river bottom before the return, Mr. White said. In all, the cost of moving the ship out and back will total about $19 million, four times the original estimate, he said.

The main improvements to the ship’s exterior were completed a year ago, when it spent a few weeks in dry dock in Bayonne, N.J., en route to the Homeport. Workers at Bayonne Dry Dock and Repair patched up parts of the hull and repainted the entire ship.

But when the time came for the dry dock operator to collect nearly $5 million for its work, the city funds were not yet available. Officials of the Hudson River Park Trust, the state authority that is the Intrepid’s landlord and manages payments to the contractors, asked the museum to come up with some other money to tide the company over.

Mr. White said he scraped together $100,000 and hand-delivered a check to Bayonne. The trust later paid off the debt and repaid the Intrepid’s $100,000, according to Noreen Doyle, a vice president of the trust. Ms. Doyle said the tight schedule set by the Intrepid’s managers necessitated such unusual measures.

“The whole thing has been crunch time,” Ms. Doyle said. “It’s a very aggressive project schedule.” Rebuilding the pier also will cost much more than initially expected. Mr. White said the original estimate for the pier was about $38 million. But with the prices of essential materials like steel and cement having soared and various amenities having been added to the pier, the total cost will exceed $60 million, he said.

At a board meeting in March, the Hudson River Park Trust’s directors approved an increase of $620,000, or about 40 percent, on the amount to be paid to Skanska, the construction manager for Pier 86 to account for all of the changes to the pier rebuilding plan.

A few weeks ago, workers installed the first of two stair towers that visitors will climb to reach the Intrepid’s main decks. Eventually, the pier, which will offer free access to the public, will have trees, seating and, if the museum can arrange its retrieval, a Concorde supersonic jet.

Before the ship left, museum officials struck a deal to temporarily move the plane from a barge tied to the pier to a recreation complex in Brooklyn. The original operators of that complex, Aviator Sports, agreed to pay $15,000 a month to borrow the plane and promised to return it this fall. But the managers who took over last year did not inherit that obligation, and Mr. White said he did not know who would pay for its return, at an estimated cost of at least $250,000.

Another of the museum’s popular exhibitions, a decommissioned nuclear-powered submarine named the Growler, produced an unpleasant surprise when it was towed to Brooklyn. The crew found holes in the sub’s hull, pushing the cost of repairing it past $1 million, Mr. White said.

Getting the museum ready to welcome paying visitors again will be another matter. Last week, moored next to a fire boat at the Homeport on Staten Island, the dark gray Intrepid looked more like an abandoned warehouse than a museum.

Weeds sprouted from its flight deck. The wooden surface of one its exterior elevators had been crushed by forklifts that hoisted equipment on and off the ship.

Inside its cavernous hangar deck stood several vintage warplanes and helicopters that had been restored, their wings and rotors shrouded in plastic wrap. The only sounds emanated from the machines four young men in face masks used to strip the top layer off the steel floor.

With less than five months remaining on the deadline clock, Mr. White and his staff are pushing an ambitious plan to revamp most of the ship’s interior. They have hired a design firm to reinstall the exhibitions in a more cohesive layout and open to the public sections of the ship where crewmen worked, slept and ate. The aim, said Susan Marenoff, the museum’s executive director, will be to emphasize “the humanity behind the hardware.”

Mr. White said he also hoped to repair a flight elevator that carried fighter planes to the top deck for takeoff so that museumgoers could ride it. He said that executives of Otis Elevator Company had agreed to fix the giant platform and that the Disabled American Veterans had pledged to sponsor that part of the project. Dave Autry, a spokesman for the veterans group in Washington, said its charitable trust had recommended a grant of $450,000 for the repair.

“We can’t just slap a paint job” on the ship, Mr. White said. “We need to make a new museum. It’s got to come back brand-spanking new.”

Mr. White acknowledged that the museum probably would not be exactly shipshape when it returned. The last few weeks before the reopening will be a true scramble. Along with completing the interior redesign, the remaining tasks will include connecting the new power and plumbing lines from the pier. Crews will also have to adjust for the ship’s rising and falling with the Hudson River tides until the muck takes hold of it again.


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May 25th, 2008, 05:57 AM
USS Intrepid, war museum, faces new peril _ money

Published: May 24, 2008
Filed at 1:33 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- Once it was Japanese torpedoes and kamikaze suicide planes. Then, the threat of the wrecking ball. Now, it's money -- or the lack of it -- that could imperil the future of the USS Intrepid (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/i/intrepid_sea-air-space_museum/index.html?inline=nyt-org).

Nineteen months after tugboats pried it from the mud at its Hudson River pier and towed it away for a much-needed renovation, the legendary World War II aircraft carrier needs a sizable infusion of cash to resume its postwar career as a floating military museum.

If all goes according to plan, the ship will be brought back in early October and formally reopened to the public on Nov. 11, Veterans Day.

That depends on finding the wherewithal to complete a job that was first estimated at $65 to $70 million and is now expected to cost $110 million, said Bill White, president of the USS Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. Of that total, $66 million is for rebuilding its city-owned pier, and the rest for the museum ship.

In a move he said he never expected would be necessary, White has put the Intrepid's $15 million endowment up as collateral to cover expenses. That money would be repaid, he said. He also asked the federal government to pony up more money for costs of returning the ship, including $9 million to $12 million for dredging a trench for it to rest in.

White insisted, however, that both monetary goals and the November deadline will be met.

''We are going to get this done, come hell or high water -- hopefully, the latter,'' he said.

Intrepid, one of the Navy's fabled Essex-class carriers widely credited with winning the Pacific war, was launched in 1943 and fought in every major battle prior to Japan's surrender in 1945. It repeatedly sustained heavy damage, was patched up and sent back into the fray. Intrepid served in the Korean and Vietnam wars and was twice a recovery ship for Mercury astronauts before being retired in 1974.

Among five WWII carriers serving today as floating museums, none has a combat record to match the ship that survived five kamikaze attacks and lost 270 crew members.

''We want people to understand that while $110 million is a lot of money, it is difficult to put a price on honoring our nation's heroes,'' said White, a former restaurateur who has raised millions for the Intrepid museum and its related charitable enterprises serving families of dead and wounded service members.

''The idea that this ship could survive all that it did in wartime and 60 years later face a new threat to its existence would be unacceptable. To be without USS Intrepid is unimaginable and that is never going to happen,'' he said.

Once ensconced at its Hudson River pier in 1981, the old warship needed time to gain public acceptance. Except for the annual Fleet Week visitation -- ongoing this week -- the U.S. Navy rarely shows up in New York City and is largely ignored when it does. Over time, both the Intrepid and its city-owned pier deteriorated so badly that in November 2006, the ship was ingloriously dragged out of the mud and towed to New Jersey for the two-year overhaul.

At every stage, the work has cost more than had been anticipated. Just pulling the ship out of 17 feet of mud and bringing it back will cost some $19 million, nearly four times the original estimate, White said. That includes dredging the new trench where the ship will rest as the mud again embraces and protects the aging hull.

The pier itself had to be replaced with a new 700-foot structure on pilings sunk into the harbor bed, said Noreen Doyle, a vice president of the Hudson River Park Trust, a nonprofit that manages the city-owned shoreline park extending along Manhattan's west side.

The total cost of the pier, in a complicated mix of public funds and money raised by the Intrepid, will be about $66 million, well above an original estimate of some $38 million.

The Intrepid now sits at a former Navy pier on Staten Island, looking not all that much better than when real estate tycoon Zachary Fisher (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/zachary_fisher/index.html?inline=nyt-per) ransomed it from a Philadelphia scrapyard in 1979 and turned into one of the city's most popular tourist attractions.

While its 900-foot hull has been repaired and repainted Navy gray, the interior is a jumbled work in progress, as workers open up crew quarters and other spaces not previously accessible to the public and create new exhibits on the hangar deck. When the $10 million installation is complete, interactive digital displays will be side by side with real WWII aircraft and a Soviet-built MiG-21 in an open space running the length of the ship.

The emphasis, along with tourism, will be on education, in keeping with K-12 science and history programs that the museum already sponsors in city schools, drawing some 50,000 students a year, says Intrepid director Susan Marenoff.

The ship's collection of some three dozen aircraft -- some of them rare -- has undergone refurbishment elsewhere, and efforts are under way to trace each one's history and find pilots who flew them to get their stories on record.

On the Net:
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June 10th, 2008, 11:17 AM
...for the "Intrepid" updates.I have been wondering about the ship's fate since the shutdown a couple years ago.

Despite my aversion to doing anything overtly "touristy" when I visit New York,I found myself magnetically drawn to Intrepid--three times,in total.

The first time,back in '99, I was alone and looking to kill a few hours.I thought of visiting "Intrepid" as a way to pass some time while I'm in the City,but I found--to my amusement--that I was fascinated by it.I realized,as I plied it's decks and corridors,that I was within the belly of History,surrounded by artifact aircraft and walking the same path as my Dad,who served 4 years in the Pacific part of WW II and used to tell vivid stories of travelling from Island to Island aboard "Intrepid" while it was under assault.It was worth the time spent.
And the view of Midtown from the flight deck was unmatched,itself worth the price of admission.

The second time,in early '02,I flew my son Tony up from Florida to spend a few days in The City with me,and we both went.The carrier and it's displays were no longer just a curiosity.It was a must-see,a necessary component of a NYC visit.
Now my son was walking along the same path my Dad and I had once trod.By then,the amazing SR-71 had joined the aircraft on the flight deck.I watched Tony feel the titanium skin of the Blackbird,and sensing it's tinfoil-thickness stand back in reverence when he realized that the thin skin was the only protection the airplane could depend upon when it was flying at 1,200 MPH,somewhere in the Ionosphere.

Then we toured the submarine and both were enveloped by a seemingly genetic claustrophobia.A rewarding day.

Finally,in '05,Tony,his wife and my two grandsons (age 6 and 9 ) linked up with me again,and we spent a rainy day watching the kids discover the old paths,now making it 4 generations of Hofs who had been aboard.They went through the sub (Tony and I had sodas on deck while they went,preferring to NOT revisit our communal phobia ),we ogled at the Concorde,and (it was Fleet Week ) we all got a free tour of a working warship,the "Iwo Jima",moored alongside "Intrepid".

Time spent on "Intrepid" has reinforced my opinion of the ship.I think it is a true asset to New York,a most unique museum and a reminder of when this country was a beacon of power and freedom for the world.

Losing "Intrepid" would be a big negative for The City.
Whatever funding needed to restore the carrier and return it to it's pier MUST be found.

June 10th, 2008, 02:24 PM
Thanks for sharing your memories with us Hof.

Very interesting, as always.

August 23rd, 2008, 04:20 PM
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August 23rd, 2008, 05:27 PM
Thanks for the update Zippy.

I hope they are taking out plenty of mud, after the trouble they had in getting the Intrepid out.

September 28th, 2008, 07:36 AM
Intrepid's all cleaned and ready to set sail for Manhattan home

Saturday, September 27th 2008, 7:48 PM

A ship as intrepid as its name is returning for a second act.

The Intrepid, a sprawling aircraft carrier that saw heroic action in World War II and Vietnam (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vietnam), is on its way back to its Hudson River (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Hudson+River) berth after a two-year hiatus.

It's not just any ship.

It's three football fields long, 66 years old and serves as home of the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Intrepid+Sea-Air-Space+Museum), one of the city's top tourist attractions.

It also displays some of the best-preserved planes of World War II along with the Concorde, the defunct French-British supersonic that frayed the nerves of Queens (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Queens+County) residents' for years.

One thing most Americans don't know, though: The FBI (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Federal+Bureau+of+Investigation) moved its headquarters to the Intrepid right after terrorists struck the World Trade Center (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/World+Trade+Center) on 9/11.

"The FBI came an hour after the second plane hit," recalled Bill White (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Bill+White), museum president. "They shut us down. Hundreds of agents lived there."
Now, after the warship's $15 million bow-to-stern restoration - part of an overall $115 million museum and pier renovation - the Intrepid is due to leave Staten Island (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Staten+Island) drydock at 11:30 p.m. Thursday for its home at Pier 86 at W. 46th St.

If an aircraft carrier can get a celebratory parade without ticker tape, the Intrepid will get one as McAllister tugboats guide her up the Hudson. Fireboats will salute with red, white and blue water sprays.

The Intrepid will pass the Statue of Liberty (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Statue+of+Liberty) around 12:15 p.m. and pause at Ground Zero around 12:30 p.m. Veterans - many of whom served aboard the Intrepid when she was an active-duty ship - will unfurl a 100-foot American flag in a salute to those lost on 9/11.

The public can view the journey from sites at Battery Park (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Battery+Park) and lower Manhattan (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Manhattan).

The carrier will arrive at Pier 86 around 1:30 p.m.

Officials have their fingers crossed that this trip will be a lot smoother than the Intrepid's embarrassing departure for the overhaul in 2006.
At the time, the 40,000-ton vessel got stuck in the Hudson's mud and it took a Navy salvage team to free her and at great expense.

The Intrepid was launched in 1943. After the war, it aided in NASA (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NASA) spacecraft recovery, then served in Vietnam.

In 1976, the ship was decommissioned and established as a museum ship by New Yorker Zachary Fisher and the Intrepid Museum Foundation (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Intrepid+Museum+Foundation+Inc.).

Among the legendary planes on display are the TBM Avenger torpedo bomber, which was used by the first President George Bush (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/George+W.+Bush) during WWII, a Navy F-14 Tomcat (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Grumman+F-14+Tomcat) and an A-12 Blackbird spy plan used by the CIA.

The museum will reopen to the public in November.

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October 1st, 2008, 05:12 PM
This should be worth seeing if you are not at work.

Wish I could be there to see it.

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October 1, 2008, 4:54 pm

Intrepid to Head Home to Manhattan

By Patrick McGeehan (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/pmcgeehan/)

Victor Gomez fished near the Intrepid at the Homeport Pier on Staten Island. (Photos: Ramin Talaie for The New York Times)

After almost two years away, the old aircraft carrier that houses the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/i/intrepid_sea-air-space_museum/index.html?scp=1-spot&sq=intrepid&st=cse) is scheduled to be towed back to its longtime home on the West Side of Manhattan from Staten Island on Thursday morning.

The museum, whose exhibit spaces are being redesigned and expanded, is scheduled to reopen amid great fanfare on Veteran’s Day, Nov. 11. But first, the crew from McAllister Towing must return the 65-year-old ship safely.

The Intrepid’s berth at Pier 86 has been dredged thoroughly to avert a repeat of the sort of embarrassment that accompanied the initial attempt to haul the ship away. On the first try, in November 2006, the Intrepid’s giant propellers dug into the muddy bottom (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/07/nyregion/07intrepid.html) of the Hudson River after the ship had moved only about 15 feet.

After the United States Navy sent a team to work with the Army Corps of Engineers to solve the problem, the Intrepid was pulled downriver to Bayonne, N.J. (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/nyregion/06intrepid.html), where it was repaired and repainted. Since then, the ship, which carried sailors and fighter pilots into battle in World War II and the Vietnam War, has been docked at the Homeport on Staten Island.

The Intrepid is scheduled to leave the Homeport at about 11 a.m. and to arrive at Pier 86 about two hours later. Along the way, as the ship passes ground zero, a team of former crew members will unfurl a large American flag that hung on One Liberty Plaza after 9/11, said Bill White, president of the foundation that operates the Intrepid museum (http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/). The New York Police Department’s band will serenade the crewmembers from the flight deck, Mr. White said.

Nate Kessler, left, and Jim Rogers, both of Display Dynamics, helped with the placing of the Intrepid ceremonial bell during its installation on Staten Island.


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October 1st, 2008, 05:30 PM
For those who can't be there, you should be able to get good views from these Web Cams. (Weather permitting)

Wired New York Web Cam.

Earth Cam . Pier 86 on camera 4.
[URL]http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/intrepid/ (http://wirednewyork.com/webcam/)

October 2nd, 2008, 02:35 PM
Just spent 3 hours in front of the computer watching the Intrepids return.

Picked it up on Earth Cam, Statue of Libery Cam, then on to Ground Zero Cam, then on the Wired New York Cam, and finished with the Earth cam Pier 86 below.

October 2nd, 2008, 04:42 PM

We watched it go by the WTC from my office - fireboat, helicopters, tugs - quite a sight.

October 2nd, 2008, 05:25 PM
Excellent pics Brian, truly shows your dedication to this forum. :D

October 3rd, 2008, 12:08 AM
This is for brianac, for being such a big, devoted fan of this ship... ;)

After almost two years of refurbishing, the Intrepid aircraft carrier is returning to Pier 86 in the Hudson River
Park, which was rebuilt to accommodate the floating museum, the submarine and the retired Concorde
supersonic jet.

The 65-year-old vessel was towed from Staten Island by a team of four tugboats, accompanied by a flotilla
of police boats and sightseeing craft.

A band performed in honor of the Intrepid's return.

The ship is three football fields long.

The Intrepid had served for almost 25 years as a military museum before it departed to be repaired and
painted in late 2006.

The overhaul of the ship, combined with the reconstruction of Pier 86, will cost more than $100 million,
much of it paid for by city grants.

Passengers took in the views from the deck.

During World War II, the Intrepid was attacked by a Japanese ship near the Phillipines. About two dozen
aircraft, some repainted to look as they did when they flew combat missions in past conflicts, were tied
to the steel flight deck as the ship floated across the harbor.

More than 200 former crew members, many of them older than the Intrepid, were aboard for one last ride.

Alongside the former site of the World Trade Center, a giant American flag that had hung on the west side
of One Liberty Plaza after 9/11 was unfurled.

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/10/02/nyregion/20081003_INTREPID_SLIDESHOW_index.html)

October 3rd, 2008, 12:13 AM
The ship is three football fields long.I think the Times may be wrong on this one. I'm sorry but it does not look like three football fields long.

Maybe 1 and 1/2 at most, but not three.

October 3rd, 2008, 12:38 AM
I headed down to Battery Park nice and early, but of this being the Intrepid things didin't go exactly as planned, so I started walking north towards Battery Park City ...

There were some great sailboats streaming down the Hudson ...



Lots of vessels waiting to welcome the Intrepid in the choppy waters at the southern tip of Manhattan ...


Along the BPC esplanade there was a kid who found something that interested him a lot more than a bunch of boats ...




Finally the Intrepid came into view ...





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October 3rd, 2008, 12:45 AM
I zipped up to Pier 84 to watch as the Intrepid returned home -- crowds were not all that big (I yearned for thousands packing the docks like in days of old) -- but Old Glory was flying everywhere ...











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October 3rd, 2008, 12:52 AM
Tugs nudged her back into place ...











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October 3rd, 2008, 12:59 AM
I think the Times may be wrong on this one. I'm sorry but it does not look like three football fields long.Original length - 872 feet.
After retrofit - 898 feet.

So yes, three football fields.

October 3rd, 2008, 01:07 AM
Whats up with that blotchy paint job?

October 3rd, 2008, 01:09 AM
Ha, I guess looks can be deceiving. I was trying to visualize three football fields placed on that ship and just couldn't see it fitting.

Anyway, this one is my fave:

October 3rd, 2008, 01:55 AM
Whats up with that blotchy paint job?

I was waondering about that, too.

Maybe they got behind on their work schedule (could that explain why they were 1.5 hours late today :confused:).

Official opening isn't until Veterans Day, so maybe they'll fix it up between now and then.

October 3rd, 2008, 04:44 AM
This is for brianac, for being such a big, devoted fan of this ship... ;)

Thanks AN.

And thanks for the photographs Lofter.

October 3rd, 2008, 09:46 AM


October 4th, 2008, 11:48 AM
I'm excited the Intrepid is back on the Hudson. i actually saw it a month ago from the Staten Island Ferry, and now I can see it if I walk one minute from my house :)

Btw, did anyone have to take the ferry from 38th street last night? The line stretched almost to the Intrepid.

October 16th, 2008, 03:45 PM
October 16, 2008, 3:00 pm

Flight of the Concorde Back to Intrepid

By Patrick McGeehan (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/patrick-mcgeehan/)

This Concorde supersonic jet, shown on a barge at the Intrepid Air and Space Museum in 2006, will be returned there on Monday. (Marilynn K. Yee/The New York Times)

In a rare event, to say the least, a Concorde supersonic jet is scheduled to land in Jersey City this afternoon.

Luckily for Jersey City, no airport is needed: This one will be arriving from New York on a barge guided by a tugboat. After a weekend layover at a boatyard there, the plane is bound for Pier 86 in Manhattan, the restored home base of the Intrepid Sea Air & Space Museum.

The Concorde, owned by British Airways, has been on loan to the museum since it stopped flying five years ago. It sat on a barge tied to the pier and was open to the museum’s visitors.

When the city began rebuilding the pier in late 2006, the Concorde was moved to a recreation center at Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, where it has been on display. While there this summer, the 203-foot-long plane had its nose knocked off by a moving truck.

But museumgoers need not worry: With a new needle-tipped nose cone now in place, the plane will be sporting its distinctive profile when it is hoisted by a giant crane onto the end of the pier on Monday morning.


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October 20th, 2008, 04:23 PM
October 20, 2008, 2:46 pm

Concorde Moseys Over for Museum’s Reopening

By Patrick McGeehan (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/patrick-mcgeehan/)

For next month’s debut of the renovated Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum, the British Airways Concorde returned to Pier 86 via barge and crane today. (John Marshall Mantel for The New York Times)

Five years after being retired from trans-Atlantic commercial travel, a Concorde jet touched down in Manhattan at 11:05 a.m. on Monday.

But it was traveling considerably slower than supersonic speeds. A 300-foot-long marine crane hoisted the 71-ton plane off a barge and onto Pier 86 on the West Side, where it will return to service as an exhibit of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum (http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/).

The museum is scheduled to reopen on Nov. 8, a month after the aircraft carrier that houses it returned from a two-year leave.

The Concorde, which is owned by British Airways (http://www.britishairways.com/travel/globalgateway.jsp/global/public/en_) and has been on loan to the museum since 2004, was stored elsewhere while the pier was being rebuilt.

The airline considers the plane to be a 203-foot-long, needle-nosed billboard, so its executives did not want the Concorde to leave the city.
“We are very happy to see it here near the Intrepid,” said Jim Blaney, the senior counsel for the Americas at British Airways. “This is a fabulous showcase for us.”

The Intrepid spent weeks being repaired and repainted in Bayonne, N.J., before it was moved to Staten Island to awaitits return to Manhattan (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/intrepid-museum-heads-home-to-manhattan/). The Concorde was moved by barge to Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, where it was displayed outside a recreation complex.

The plane left Brooklyn by barge on Thursday, and after a weekend stopover in Jersey City, arrived alongside Pier 86 this morning. Rather than remaining atop a barge as it did for two years before its departure, the Concorde briefly took flight again as the crane lifted it onto its new parking space at the end of the pier.

Visitors will be able to pass through museum security and walk around the plane, but they will have to buy tickets to the museum to go inside the Concorde.


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November 11th, 2008, 01:15 PM

Updated 12:55 PM

President, State Officials Mark Veterans Day With Intrepid Ceremony


President George W. Bush, along with other federal, state, and city officials are helping to rededicate the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum today, as the city marks Veterans Day.

Bush was presented with the Intrepid Freedom Award in front of 5,000 guests and 2,500 veterans.

The president recognized the great sacrifices of our military men and women. He also joked about his lame duck status, and added "we're coming home to Texas with our heads held high."

City Council Speaker Christine Quinn and Governor David Paterson also spoke before the crowd gathered at the World War II ship's Hudson River pier.

Among those in attendance are former Intrepid crew members.

"I came down from South Portland, Maine. I can only come every five, six years. I chose to come down for the reopening of the museum," said former Intrepid crew member Ed Tyler. "I took it out of commission and what they've done is magnificent, because when we stripped it, we stripped it to the bare nuts and bolts."


"It's great. I love to see the ship as the center of the Veterans Day," said Lee Hittner, another former crew member. "We always march in the Veterans Day Parade every year. With the ship being back and being all renovated like it is, it's really beautiful and I'm glad to see so many people here enjoying it."

Earlier this morning, members of the United States Army's Golden Knights parachuted onto U.S.S. Baton, which is parked alongside the Intrepid.

The ship recently returned after a two-year renovation. Saturday, it reopened to the public.

Today's appearance was one of the president's last visits to the city as chief executive.

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April 23rd, 2009, 04:20 PM
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Took this last week while at Javits for the Car Show

May 14th, 2009, 12:35 PM
Intrepid’s Ambitious Mission: To Get Its Own Space Shuttle

Museum officials envision a space shuttle, housed in a glass enclosure, on the end of Pier 86 at 46th Street on the West
Side of Manhattan, home to the Intrepid since 1982.

Published: May 13, 2009 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/nyregion/14shuttle.html)

Could the space shuttle Atlantis, which grabbed hold of the Hubble Space Telescope on Wednesday, wind up parked on a pier in the Hudson River five blocks from Times Square? That is the pie in the sky for the operators of the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum.

Museum officials have taken the first small step toward acquiring one of the three space shuttles that NASA plans to hand off when the shuttle program ends next year. They are enlisting support from elected officials and former astronauts for their idea of adding a decommissioned shuttle to the Intrepid’s eclectic collection of military aircraft, a Mercury space capsule, a submarine and a Concorde passenger jet.

The Intrepid museum was one of 20 institutions that responded by a March 17 deadline to ask NASA about its plan to
give away the last of the shuttles: Discovery, Endeavour and Atlantis.

They dream of housing the shuttle in a glass enclosure on the end of Pier 86 at 46th Street on the West Side of Manhattan, home to the Intrepid since 1982. But they have plenty of competition from museums around the country, including the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum.

“We have never shied away from competition or a challenge,” said Bill White, president of the foundation that operates the Intrepid museum.
“This is very important to us, and it would just be an extraordinary, priceless treasure for New York City to receive. You’re going to see a very public campaign for this in the next few months.”

The Intrepid museum was one of 20 institutions that responded by a March 17 deadline to ask NASA about its plan to give away the last of the shuttles: Discovery, Endeavour and Atlantis. The space agency estimates the cost of preparing and delivering them at $42 million each.

The Smithsonian has already notified NASA of its interest in the oldest of the shuttles, Discovery, but considers the cost prohibitive, said Michael J. Neufeld, chairman of the Smithsonian’s space history division. “Our official position is we don’t have the money to pay for the costs at all,” Dr. Neufeld said.

But Intrepid officials told NASA that they were confident of their ability to raise the money from public and private sources by the time NASA is ready to deliver a shuttle. Mr. White pointed out that the estimated cost — which he said he believed could be brought down significantly — was less than half of the $115 million the Intrepid raised for the recent overhaul of its pier. The Intrepid Foundation has also raised $120 million to build facilities for injured war veterans and their families, Mr. White added.

Some officials of other museums said they considered the Intrepid a long shot for landing a shuttle over institutions devoted to aviation, like the Museum of Flight in Seattle and the National Museum of the United States Air Force, near Dayton, Ohio. But Mr. White said the Intrepid would be an appropriate home because of its role in recovering returning astronauts during the Mercury rocket program and because of its location.

Mr. White said he believed the shuttle could draw as many as a million visitors to the Intrepid and contribute to Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s goal of attracting 50 million visitors to the city annually by 2015. George A. Fertitta, the chief executive of NYC & Company, the city’s tourism promotion agency, agreed. “Any time you can add something new and as exciting as having the shuttle here, that will be an additional draw,” he said.

NASA said it expected to have the shuttles ready for display by early 2012, after they are cleared of all toxic chemicals and hazardous materials. NASA plans to ferry them on the back of a Boeing 747 airliner to airports near the museums chosen to receive them, said Mike Curie, a spokesman for the agency.

Mr. Curie said the agency had not developed a procedure for deciding where the shuttles will go. After analyzing the responses from the 20 institutions, he said, NASA officials will decide whether to issue a formal request for proposals.

Atlantis, which took off on Monday to repair the Hubble telescope, and the two other active shuttles are scheduled to fly missions through September 2010.

Mr. White said the Intrepid museum was interested in obtaining any of them. “We are singularly focused on getting a shuttle here to the Intrepid,” he said.

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May 14th, 2009, 12:36 PM
It'll be great if the Intrepid Museum can get the Space Shuttle for New York.

Having it here in the city will provide NASA with a lot more publicity and PR.

Something they'll need now that government funding is getting scarced and they need the public's support for continued Federal funding.

By the way, screw the Smithsonian.

May 14th, 2009, 03:22 PM
I agree, this would be a great addition to this site.

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August 22nd, 2009, 11:07 PM
I've lived in NY all my life. Never been to this place.

August 22nd, 2009, 11:35 PM
I took my nephews (in their 20's/grew up in a navy family) ...twice- they loved it!
There were a couple of real flight simulators inside (extra charge $$$) AWESOME.
The sub is fairly interesting as well (but not if your claustrophobic- very tight inside).
I actually enjoyed it myself (once).

August 26th, 2009, 05:16 PM
Yeah it's kinda "eh." Worth seeing once and that's about it.

October 14th, 2009, 09:44 PM
Sign the petition at http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/shuttle :) (http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/shuttle)

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7735&stc=1&d=1255570942 (http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/shuttle)

March 20th, 2010, 10:41 PM
I visited the Intrepid museum today with my 9 year old nephew andI have to say it was an excellent experience. I actually wan to go back, because the have excellent programming for kids - which we took advantage of - and there's so much for adults there. The tour of the submarine was awesome.

March 20th, 2010, 11:21 PM
There's a submarine tour? I was there when I was about 8 for a friend's birthday, and I don't remember that.

I visited the Intrepid museum today with my 9 year old nephew andI have to say it was an excellent experience. I actually wan to go back, because the have excellent programming for kids - which we took advantage of - and there's so much for adults there. The tour of the submarine was awesome.

March 21st, 2010, 06:58 AM
Submarine! That wasn't there when I visited. I agree, it is a brilliant museum.

March 21st, 2010, 03:23 PM
In 1989, the (sub) Growler became part of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum complex.

March 21st, 2010, 04:32 PM
The sub was in Brooklyn in drydock for a while. The hull was repaired.

March 21st, 2010, 04:36 PM
definitely not for the claustrophobic :eek:

March 23rd, 2010, 08:18 AM

Intrepid shuttle bid has wings: NASA
BY Stephanie Gaskell
Tuesday, March 23rd 2010, 4:00 AM

March 23rd, 2010, 09:01 AM
Got Sea.

Got Air.

Need more Space.

March 23rd, 2010, 03:55 PM

Seriously, that would totally kick ass if they get a shuttle.

Has anyone been out on Pier 84 recently? (the pier right next to the Intrepid). They have closed most of it and are replacing all the pavers - completely resurfacing it - like it was a shabby job when done originally. Very irritating.

March 23rd, 2010, 04:21 PM
Seriously, that would totally kick ass if they get a shuttle.
And it would certainly raise its stature in the museum world, don't you think, because ...

Pier 84... they have closed most of it and are replacing all the pavers - completely resurfacing it - like it was a shabby job when done originally. Very irritating.
... it's presently a little rinky-dink?

March 24th, 2010, 04:55 PM
Not sure what exactly you mean by rinky-dink. You mean cheezy? Cheap looking? Small time? I wouldn't say it was any of those.

In fact I think it was one of the best and certainly one of the most popular new piers in all of Hudson River Park. Aside from being among the largest piers, it has it all: a BAR, an interesting little kid's water park, a dancing fountain (which is mesmerizing to watch while having a beer at the bar), a boat house, a lawn, a dog park, bike rental, bathrooms, a water taxi stop, plus all of the regular seating and viewing spots. That's why it's infuriating they didn't construct it properly because now there is yet another construction zone next to a museum of that stature.

March 24th, 2010, 05:06 PM
OK, the bar itself is a little rinky dink, I wish it was bigger and better, but I appreciate they used that space for a small bar rather than another minimal snack stand.