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Eugenius
June 12th, 2003, 10:59 AM
Quote: from Chicagoan on 10:29 pm on June 10, 2003
I had not seen much about this building, but heard quite a bit, until I saw and ad in last weekend's Times. I went to the site and I think that this building will be nice... especially the proportions and the lower level structures.

Can anyone confirm this: I read that the building will have a hybrid structural frame with steel at the bottom and rinforced concrete for the residences. Has anyone else heard this? THAT too would be something!
I believe that the AOL Time Warner Center is also employing the hybrid frame. *Generally, steel is used for office buildings, and concrete is used in residential ones, so mixed use buildings will often be hybrids.

emmeka
June 12th, 2003, 01:53 PM
Bloomberg tower will be a great place to live, The veiws from the 45th floor up will be great!

NYatKNIGHT
June 12th, 2003, 02:22 PM
That courtyard is looking pretty cool.

emmeka
June 12th, 2003, 03:15 PM
Yeah, I know.
Its a great design, The way the building curves round is unique!

Chicagoan
June 12th, 2003, 10:20 PM
Quote: from Eugenius on 10:59 am on June 12, 2003I believe that the AOL Time Warner Center is also employing the hybrid frame. *Generally, steel is used for office buildings, and concrete is used in residential ones, so mixed use buildings will often be hybrids.
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Someone else hear told me of AOLTW Center. Last time I was in town, I stayed at a hotel directly across the street from it, but did not pay attention too much to the frame.

I think that if you count, more often than not, mixed-use building will be one or the other, mostly reinforced concrete frames, especially with the advent of superplasticisers. But the hybrid struture is very very rare. Aside from the ones in NY and Chicago, does anyone know of any other buildings in the States that use this system?

Ptarmigan
June 12th, 2003, 11:27 PM
This building will definetely stand out in the New York skyline. This will be a cool looking building.

DominicanoNYC
June 12th, 2003, 11:39 PM
Yeah. And what is really special about it is that it's crosstown from the TWC. So I f it's nice out I can walk down 59th street and see two great buildings.:)

billyblancoNYC
June 13th, 2003, 11:27 AM
What's up with all the One XXX addresses now? I guesss it sounds more refined and exclusive.

DominicanoNYC
June 13th, 2003, 07:05 PM
Check out these photos I took today.:)
http://www.pbase.com/image/17791695
http://www.pbase.com/image/17791621
http://www.pbase.com/image/17791586

Fabb
June 14th, 2003, 10:43 AM
Thanks Oscar. ;)
Was the construction site busy ?

Stern
June 14th, 2003, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the update, doesnt look to be much in the way of "progress".

Stern
June 14th, 2003, 10:53 AM
Silly question....

Does rain slow construction, can they mix concrete in rainy conditions?

Fabb
June 14th, 2003, 11:09 AM
I was wondering about the exact same thing.
I made myself an opinion by the observation of the constructions in HK : they use a lot of concrete and it rains a lot.

My answer : well, I guess the humidity doesn't affect progress much.

DominicanoNYC
June 14th, 2003, 04:25 PM
I was thinking that a site might slow down due to visablility, but the crane isn't that high nor that far from the structure for the worker not to be able to see.

DominicanoNYC
June 14th, 2003, 04:27 PM
Quote: from Fabb on 9:43 am on June 14, 2003
Thanks Oscar. ;)
Was the construction site busy ?

No. Well not when I got there.

yanni111
June 14th, 2003, 05:43 PM
i went by the site today and noticed they were working around noon, it was not raining at the time. But something new has appeared at the top of the tower, it may be the base of a new crane, it looks about 150 to 200 ft tall, this thing was put up quickly since it was not there when i looked up yesterday. New scaffolding was also put up last week on the corner of 58th and lex, possibly to catch any falling material in this next phase of construction with the concrete section.

yanni111
June 14th, 2003, 05:48 PM
also a large flat bed truck was parked on Lex today filled with a shipment of huge metal pieces that were labeled "west tower" on it. Clearly work is proceeding on the tower portion as well as the inner courtyard. Once they set up this new crane at the top we should see new floors being built! Im a cab driver so i go by the site on the days i work at least 5 times so ill continue to post whatever i see here.

DominicanoNYC
June 14th, 2003, 06:23 PM
I thought they took down a crane. Well I'm not sure though.

Stern
June 14th, 2003, 07:20 PM
From the looks of it, a new crane.

Chicagoan
June 14th, 2003, 08:34 PM
Quote: from Stern on 10:53 am on June 14, 2003
Silly question....

Does rain slow construction, can they mix concrete in rainy conditions?


No, at least not for the mixing and curin gof concrete. In both instances, the concrete is protected and most of the curing process is chemical, irrespective of outside moisture.

It does affect the workers' ability to do their job.

Derek2k3
June 20th, 2003, 11:50 PM
The renderings Stern posted were by Neoscape. Here is a larger version of one from NYSR (\http://nysr.com)


Project: 731 Lexington Avenue
Location: New York, NY
Client: Cesar Pelli Associates, Inc.
Other: Vornado Realty Trust
Medium: Digital
Size: 60 in. x 10 in.
Date: 2002
http://nysr.com/nysr/supportdata/itm_img/grohs1.jpg
Lon Grohs
Neoscape, Inc.
700 Massachusetts Ave.
Cambridge, MA 02139
TEL: 617.354.1085
FAX: 617.354.1085
\http://www.neoscape.com/antarctica.html

DominicanoNYC
June 21st, 2003, 09:05 PM
Neoscape has great renderings.

TLOZ Link5
June 22nd, 2003, 06:49 PM
Oh man...that rendering is HOT!

NYatKNIGHT
June 23rd, 2003, 11:47 AM
I don't disagree that it is a pretty rendering, but this (like almost all of them) is too unrealistic. Give it to me straight!

Why use such extrememly forced perspective, to make the building look like it's not that slender, even though it is? Or to make the top look pointy, even though it's not? If they thought that was the preferred look, why didn't they simply design the tower less slender and give it a pointy top? Perhaps they fear a realistic design can't stand on its own.

It's also unrealistic for its skyscraper-free background. Where is this supposed to be, Trenton? (Sorry for the foul mood, it's Monday, and the rainy weekend....)


I like these better:

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg2.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg3.jpg

Kris
June 23rd, 2003, 12:36 PM
Those stink. If they're the most realistic, we're in trouble. The first two are okay (sharper).

NYatKNIGHT
June 23rd, 2003, 02:05 PM
What first two? There's this one, which is still the best:

http://www.mrofficespace.com/ob/pix//mh/md2189_cp.jpg

Fabb
June 23rd, 2003, 02:58 PM
Yes, it's the best.
The rendering is nice and it makes me think of the Ritz Tower, that I dislike.
But this one is much better. And nicer than AOL-Time Warner, too.

billyblancoNYC
June 23rd, 2003, 03:12 PM
This kinda reminds me of the new tower going up on Park (and 51st, I think) - condos.

billyblancoNYC
June 23rd, 2003, 03:14 PM
Sorry... 55th bet Mad and Park:

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?s=3903af455a1d29571295fd574aad19ca& threadid=987

JD
June 23rd, 2003, 03:40 PM
Crane-games continue at Bloomberg Tower. *Today the taller of the two cranes disassembled its shorter twin.

It would be interesting to know what necessitated this taking down/putting up of cranes. *Anybody know the scoop?

Glassman
June 27th, 2003, 10:50 AM
The new crane is erected outside of the upper portion of the West tower. *It will be used for the concrete work. *The crane just dismantled was located within the frame of the building and utilized for steel erection. *The steel is topped out and the concrete portion of the building is going to start soon. *The tower crane on the East tower was erected about a month ago. *It is used for erecting curtainwall units and the airfoil roof trusses on the East tower.

Fabb
June 27th, 2003, 02:25 PM
Thanks.
Very clear information.

Freedom Tower
July 17th, 2003, 10:27 PM
So...any new construction pics of Bloomberg tower? Anyone know how well the work is going or what floor they are on?

Gulcrapek
July 17th, 2003, 10:35 PM
Floor 30. Same.

Freedom Tower
July 17th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Wow, it seems like everytime they put in 10 floors we have another month long delay.

Gulcrapek
July 17th, 2003, 10:51 PM
No. Once it starts rising again there won't be any delays unless something unforeseen happens. This delay is steel to concrete transition.

Gulcrapek
July 18th, 2003, 04:00 PM
By the way, the webcam is back up.

http://about.bloomberg.com/731lex.html

Stern
July 18th, 2003, 04:30 PM
http://images.bloomberg.com/corp/731lex.jpg?1058558021590

Thanks Ghul.

Fabb
July 18th, 2003, 05:57 PM
It's as if they didn't dare build taller than the building across the street.

Edward
July 19th, 2003, 08:34 PM
New Yorkers enjoying sun in Central Park (http://www.wirednewyork.com/parks/central_park/default.htm)'s Sheep Meadow, as construction continues on*Bloomberg Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm). 19 July 2003.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/bloomberg_tower_sheep_meadow_19july03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

TLOZ Link5
July 19th, 2003, 11:17 PM
Considering the scale of perspective in that photo, I'd estimate that it'll be almost level with the roofline of the Hotel Pierre when topped out.

Gulcrapek
July 22nd, 2003, 01:20 PM
Holy crap.

Look at what Stern did.

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg.gif

billyblancoNYC
July 22nd, 2003, 01:30 PM
NICE!!! *Imagine it, if it's done, from beginning to end. *That would be pretty damn fancy.

NYguy
July 22nd, 2003, 01:59 PM
That's nice. *There's a similar project on a grander scale that will show the rebuilding of the WTC from ground up.

billyblancoNYC
July 22nd, 2003, 03:49 PM
The first couple years of that'll be pretty slow.

Stern
July 22nd, 2003, 10:08 PM
Thanks Ghul.

But the credit belongs to Rich Carter who has saved the pictures to create this. Every month Ill add to this gif-movie.

JACKinNYC
July 23rd, 2003, 01:01 PM
I think in the Sheep Meadow picture the building will top out right about where the top part of the crane is now.

yanni111
July 26th, 2003, 03:57 PM
yesterday i think they finally started picking up fresh concrete and pouring it. I saw the crane lower a bucket down towards the ground and pick it up many times during the day.

Derek2k3
July 28th, 2003, 12:52 AM
Carpenters Celebrate Topping-Off Of Bloomberg's New New York Headquarters

\http://www.local157.com/carpenters_celebrate_topping_off.htm

The last piece of steel was raised for the new tower at 731 Lexington Avenue which will reach more than 850 feet in height totaling 64 stories and occupies the full block between Lexington and Third Avenues and 58th street and 59th street.

Vornado Realty Trust developed the tower and the architectural firm of Cesar Pelli & Associates, designed the tower which will contain about 900,000 square feet of office space, two floors of retail shops, and about 100 luxury condominiums on the top floors with unimpeded views of the city.

Bloomberg L.P. will be the anchor tenant with more than 4000 New York employees, customer training and state-of-the-art broadcast facilities.

Rank and file building trades members that worked on the project, union officials, builders, architects, tenants and friends all took part in the ceremony celebrating the topping off the new tower. *

The Bloomberg Tower started construction 2001,and is expected to be completed in late 2004, Bloomberg estimates its occupancy to begin in January 2005. The tower will be among the most spectacular buildings built since the 1920’s. The structure reemphasizes the drama of the New York City skyline and will be one of the most prestigious residential addresses in the world.

I want to thank all the construction workers in NY who make projects like this possible, my mom who pays the electric bill no matter how high it gets, and most of all, God.

yanni111
July 28th, 2003, 02:29 AM
By topped off do they mean that the steel section is done only? Why is this something to celebrate if the building is not even done yet? Maybe its that the steel workers are basically done and that now the concrete workers take over? But isnt there steel inside the concrete?

JACKinNYC
July 28th, 2003, 11:46 AM
It sounds like a speech given to the carpenters' union.

matt3303
July 28th, 2003, 07:03 PM
Does anyone have a picture of how this looks in the skyline from one of the rivers?

Freedom Tower
July 28th, 2003, 09:47 PM
Matt, it's not actually done. Just the steel section is done. It probably won't be very visible in the skyline for a while. By the way, is that Starvin Marvin from South park as your icon? A little off topic, but starvin marvin is hilarious

Chicagoan
July 29th, 2003, 12:37 AM
Quote: from yanni111 on 2:29 am on July 28, 2003
By topped off do they mean that the steel section is done only? Why is this something to celebrate if the building is not even done yet? Maybe its that the steel workers are basically done and that now the concrete workers take over? But isnt there steel inside the concrete?


I have learned that each trade does there own topping-off ceremony. It is rare to have steel and cencrete trades doing it on the same job, but it happens.

And you are right. The concrete does have steel in it, but it is "reinforcing steel" and not "structural steel". Eventually the whole building will be topped-out and an American flag will be placed and fly proudly aloft at the highest point.

Expect the building to still ahve several more moths, maybe even a year before it officially opens.

GLNY
July 29th, 2003, 11:02 AM
[From Chicagoan: Eventually the whole building will be topped-out and an American flag will be placed and fly proudly aloft at the highest point.]

And in NY, don't forget the small evergreen tree near the American flag after topping-out. *This is a legacy of 18th- and early 19th-century Scandinavian iron-workers.

Chicagoan
July 29th, 2003, 11:09 AM
I forgot about that one. I first read about that in a book about the construction of Trump Tower in the early eighties.

Thanks GLYN.

TLOZ Link5
July 29th, 2003, 05:06 PM
They did the same thing when Chase Manhattan topped out downtown. *There's a photo of the occasion in Manhattan Skyscrapers.

Edward
August 2nd, 2003, 11:14 PM
The Lexington and East 58th Street corner of the Bloomberg Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm). 2 August 2003.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/bloomberg_lexington_beacon_2aug03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

ZippyTheChimp
August 3rd, 2003, 12:08 AM
I'm dizzy.

BrooklynRider
August 4th, 2003, 09:56 AM
That is an exquisite photo!

TLOZ Link5
August 4th, 2003, 07:27 PM
I can see some of the cladding from my window. *Very nice and reflective.

Chicagoan
August 4th, 2003, 08:56 PM
Quote: from BrooklynRider on 9:56 am on Aug. 4, 2003
That is an exquisite photo!


My first thought exactly. I have come to appreciate the beauty that can be seen when a building is being built,not just after it is completed.

This photo reminds me of a view while the UBS Tower was being built here in Chicago.

The cladding was up. The ceilings had not been finished so the underside of the corrugated metal deck was exposed, not yet sprayed with fireproofing. All the floors were lit with those exposed lamps. So for fifty-some-odd stories you could see all of these floors lit, with the reflectivity of the deck spreading-out over the entire floor plate. From afar the tower looked like a lantern against the night sky. I wished I had a camera that day.

Edward
August 5th, 2003, 12:15 AM
Construction of the*Bloomberg Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) and the abandoned Queensborough Bridge streetcar terminal kiosk. 2 August 2003.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/bloomberg_tower_queensborough_2aug03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

Stern
August 5th, 2003, 12:37 AM
A slender form and sexy hazel eyes....

This building could be a beautiful woman.

Kris
August 5th, 2003, 02:03 AM
I can't believe they want to keep that kiosk. As for the tower, feminity isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

yanni111
August 6th, 2003, 02:41 AM
bloomberg tower will match up nicely with the round pointed building(International Plaza)

JACKinNYC
August 6th, 2003, 12:57 PM
It will be a lot taller than the round pointed building.

TLOZ Link5
August 6th, 2003, 07:19 PM
About twice as tall, in fact.

yanni111
August 6th, 2003, 08:50 PM
i know itll be alot taller, i just mean how they are both very shiny and glassy looking, Bloomberg is the male and the other is the female? hehe

Stern
August 6th, 2003, 09:11 PM
^^^ Another good comparrison.

TLOZ Link5
August 6th, 2003, 10:00 PM
The blue material along the edges of the bris-soleil appears to be peeling off.

Chicagoan
August 6th, 2003, 11:49 PM
If I am correct, that blue material is just a protective film used during installation and subsequently removed after the major exterior construction is completed.

The same thing occurred during the construction of the UBS Tower in chicago.

Stern
August 7th, 2003, 01:00 AM
Chicagoan this is the second time Ive read you mention UBS Tower, what are your personal connections?

Sure, UBS Tower has a nice stainless-steel and glass curtain wall, and is a handsome in being a building of efficiency and flexibility, its a buisness building for the buisness man. But what makes UBS stand out in your mind?

Its 52 storeys, same as Bloomberg is only 650 ft. But if I remember reading correctly it was proposed to be 70 storeys, is this true?

Freedom Tower
August 7th, 2003, 10:20 AM
Im sorry Im so uninformed but can you please tell me what UBS stands for?

Eugenius
August 7th, 2003, 12:32 PM
Union Bank of Switzerland

Freedom Tower
August 7th, 2003, 12:41 PM
Thanks :)

TLOZ Link5
August 7th, 2003, 06:35 PM
If I remember correctly, that building was featured extensively in The Negotiator.

Chicagoan
August 7th, 2003, 09:23 PM
Quote: from Stern on 1:00 am on Aug. 7, 2003
Chicagoan this is the second time Ive read you mention UBS Tower, what are your personal connections?

Sure, UBS Tower has a nice stainless-steel and glass curtain wall, and is a handsome in being a building of efficiency and flexibility, its a buisness building for the buisness man. But what makes UBS stand out in your mind?

Its 52 storeys, same as Bloomberg is only 650 ft. But if I remember reading correctly it was proposed to be 70 storeys, is this true?

No personal connections, other than that I followed that building from a few blurbs in a real estate trade magazine, to a hole in the ground, and finally, construction. For about a year and a half, I passed by that building almost everyday.

It was originally scheduled to be 70 stories. The office market started to soften so, John Buck, the company that developed it ( and also owns Sears Tower) kept slicing stories off until it finally ended up where it is. *It was also originally designed to be clad in stone and was the first major office building built in this city in about 10 years and the only one actually constructed among those proposed and approved during its time.

Its design is not particularly special building, but it is striking- for its massing, cladding, grade level design- the site slopes up gently to the west. The lobby runs for the entire length of the building on the south and it is enclosed with the largest installation of glass using tension wires and point fittings in the States. The two main entries to the lobby are carved into the building's mass and framed by multi-story high columns.

The tower is core-braced and so the walls for the core are some three feet at ground level. As a result, it has some of the smallest and widely-spaced perimeter columns for a tower its height.

Also, from several points near the Loop- especially from Wacker Drive and Franklin on the South branch of the river are incredible.

It is the best new office building this city has. Some will say that might be Dearborn Center, but that building has one of the worst ground level connections.

JACKinNYC
August 13th, 2003, 11:42 AM
It's moving. Check it out...

http://about.bloomberg.com/731lex.html

(Edited by Christian Wieland at 10:45 am on Aug. 13, 2003)

Stern
August 13th, 2003, 01:48 PM
It certainly is, in a three hour time-span a full floor.

http://images.bloomberg.com/corp/731lex.jpg?1060794914980

Not bad. Thanks Jack.

Gulcrapek
August 13th, 2003, 02:23 PM
Awesome. Go concrete!

Fabb
August 13th, 2003, 02:57 PM
The ugly box is still slightly taller.

Gulcrapek
August 13th, 2003, 02:57 PM
Only by water tower. It's not that ugly, either.

JACKinNYC
August 13th, 2003, 04:38 PM
You bet, Stern.

Just Rich
August 13th, 2003, 04:50 PM
The window installers are catching up fast.
It will be interesting to see if the concrete pourers can stay ahead of them.

TLOZ Link5
August 13th, 2003, 05:34 PM
I was just walking by the building today, and they've essentially finished work on the canoidal over Beacon Court. *It looks amazing.

Freedom Tower
August 14th, 2003, 12:09 PM
I was there yesterday also, TLOZ. The crane was busy sending something up to the top. I know it couldn't have been steel. I don't what it was though.

Chicagoan
August 14th, 2003, 08:23 PM
Has anyone else here seen the floor plans for the apartments for OBC/Bloomberg Tower?

It is nice that at least the kitchens are *going to have views, but too bad some of the master bathrooms will not.

yanni111
August 15th, 2003, 11:15 PM
i think theyve been lifting concrete up to the top in some kind of basket thing. Isnt that how concrete is carried to the top? Or is it done by pumps? i doubt a pump could push liquid concrete up 30 floors!

JACKinNYC
August 16th, 2003, 01:27 AM
They use basket things for concrete.

billyblancoNYC
August 16th, 2003, 10:22 AM
This has floor plans, etc...

http://www.onebeaconcourt.com/index_new.html

TLOZ Link5
August 16th, 2003, 01:17 PM
Building's starting to go higher again.

BrooklynRider
August 25th, 2003, 10:35 AM
I went by on Saturday. *This is really one ofthe finer pieces of architecture rising in NYC. *It is a sophisticated design. *The East "tower" (if we call it that) is rather handsome and stately and the courtyard interior is just spectacular. *I hope it is going to be a public space, because I can see it becoming a great meeting place for folks in the area if not an all out destination point for touristas.

DominicanoNYC
August 25th, 2003, 04:17 PM
Quote: from BrooklynRider on 9:35 am on Aug. 25, 2003
I went by on Saturday. *This is really one ofthe finer pieces of architecture rising in NYC. *It is a sophisticated design. *The East "tower" (if we call it that) is rather handsome and stately and the courtyard interior is just spectacular. *I hope it is going to be a public space, because I can see it becoming a great meeting place for folks in the area if not an all out destination point for touristas.
I agree. I think it's a great addition to the East Side skyline.

londonlawyer
August 25th, 2003, 04:27 PM
Has anyone noticed that the new section that started rising recently is made of wood? *Most of the new residential towers in Manhattan seem to be made of a wood frame with concrete poured over it. *I wonder if the part that is rising with the wood frame will be the residential portion of the building. *

Eugenius
August 25th, 2003, 04:34 PM
The wooden frame is the form into which concrete is poured. *After the concrete hardens, the wood is removed. *Since almost all residential construction in NY is done with concrete, I am pretty certain that we are seeing the residential part of the Bloomberg go up.

Freedom Tower
August 26th, 2003, 12:14 AM
Haha. LondonLawyer scared me when he said it was being built out of wood. I was under the impression that the wood was going to be the thing holding it up. I'm glad you cleared that up Eugenius :).

BrooklynRider
August 26th, 2003, 10:15 AM
I know this is kind of off topic, but I love that londonlawyer posted about the tower being made of wood. *I remember as I was growing up watching buildings being constructed and tried to figureout the engineering process based simply on my own eyes and understanding. *I can only imagine how much more interesting this already great board is going to be for him as "secrets" are revealed. *Keep posting londonlawyer - the learning process you experience here is wonderful.

NYatKNIGHT
August 26th, 2003, 01:30 PM
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/bloomberg.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/beacon_court.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/Bloomberg_and_the_park.sized.jpg

Derek2k3
August 26th, 2003, 09:21 PM
nice

londonlawyer
August 26th, 2003, 09:33 PM
Quote: from BrooklynRider on 9:15 am on Aug. 26, 2003
I know this is kind of off topic, but I love that londonlawyer posted about the tower being made of wood. *I remember as I was growing up watching buildings being constructed and tried to figureout the engineering process based simply on my own eyes and understanding. *I can only imagine how much more interesting this already great board is going to be for him as "secrets" are revealed. *Keep posting londonlawyer - the learning process you experience here is wonderful.


I had posted something a while ago on *skyscraperpage.com regarding a difference in construction between residential and commercial buildings, namely: residential buildings in New York seem to be constructed from a wood frame with concrete poured over it, yet office buildings seem to be constructed from a steel frame. *I asked if anyone knew why this occurred, but didn't receive a response. *Does anyone here know if building codes require that office buildings be constructed from steel? *On the other hand, although most residential buildings are made of wood and concrete, not all are. *The building rising on 8th and about 50th has a steel frame, as does the residential section of the AOL-Time Warner building.

Mixing a steel frame with a wood/concrete structure, as is apparently the case with the Bloomberg Tower, seems odd. *It seems like structural strength would be lost. *Are there any engineers who can address that?

T

Kris
August 26th, 2003, 09:39 PM
I don't know whether one is supposed to feel exalted or humbled by this grand aristocratic yet public court.

Gulcrapek
August 26th, 2003, 09:59 PM
LL, wood is not used at all is support; as previously stated it is removed after the concrete within hardens. Also, AOLTW's residential section is concrete.

Strength is not lost by the connection unless it's done poorly. There are processes which lock the two systems together. Try asking Kelvin on SSP.

NyC MaNiAc
August 26th, 2003, 10:01 PM
Sure is going up fast. Midtown's still booming.

P.S. Congrats on 1700 Christian.

James Kovata
August 26th, 2003, 10:52 PM
At approximately what height in feet does BB *Tower currently stand??

Chicagoan
August 26th, 2003, 11:30 PM
Quote: from londonlawyer on 9:33 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
I had posted something a while ago on *skyscraperpage.com regarding a difference in construction between residential and commercial buildings, namely: residential buildings in New York seem to be constructed from a wood frame with concrete poured over it, yet office buildings seem to be constructed from a steel frame. *I asked if anyone knew why this occurred, but didn't receive a response. *Does anyone here know if building codes require that office buildings be constructed from steel? *On the other hand, although most residential buildings are made of wood and concrete, not all are. *The building rising on 8th and about 50th has a steel frame, as does the residential section of the AOL-Time Warner building.

Mixing a steel frame with a wood/concrete structure, as is apparently the case with the Bloomberg Tower, seems odd. *It seems like structural strength would be lost. *Are there any engineers who can address that?

T


I do not think you got a better answer here either.

Remember concrete starts off as a viscous liquid. The wood, in BT possibly set in flying forms, is used to give the liquid concrete shape to which it hardens. It is just like making plaster casts. The building is not concrete/wood.

The main reasons why office buildings are predominately steel and residential ones predominately reinforced concrete has to do with many factors. It is rare for codes to dictate the structural material.

The main one is that the speed of construction with steel; there is also the ability to span greater distances with steel, than with concrete while using less materials; mechanical delivery of hvac, which fits in the framing of a steel building whereas in a concrete one you would have to build a false ceiling; and traditionally, steel construction could proceed despite the weather, whereas concrete could not.

Also, a steel building has framing which is very flexible than a concrete one. I do not mean this physically, but as a matter of use. You can relocate plumbing lines, hvac, electrical, and you can easily reinforce it later if you need to. A concrete structure is pretty much set over its lifetime.

This made steel more suitable for offices and concrete for residential structures.

As for the connection between the two systems, you would simply create a splice where the two meet. On a steel column, you would put a plate with sleeves with which to tie the reinforcing bar for the conrete. You would also create a "shoe" for the concrete column to start. These buildings, called hybrid structures ( as opposed to composite structures) almost always use a concrete shear wall for bracing. It would be continuous through both the steel and concrete portions of the building elevation.

I hope this answers most of your questions.

TLOZ Link5
August 26th, 2003, 11:44 PM
Quote: from James Kovata on 9:52 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
At approximately what height in feet does BB *Tower currently stand??


Somewhere between 450' and 500'

londonlawyer
August 27th, 2003, 08:50 AM
Quote: from Gulcrapek on 8:59 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
LL, wood is not used at all is support; as previously stated it is removed after the concrete within hardens. Also, AOLTW's residential section is concrete.

Strength is not lost by the connection unless it's done poorly. There are processes which lock the two systems together. Try asking Kelvin on SSP.


I know that the wood isn't the support. *It simply seems to be a frame over which the concrete is poured. *It still seems that there would be less structural strength if, at the 40th floor, of a building, the structure is changed from one material to another. *Anyway, it's interesting to see this process.

dbhstockton
August 27th, 2003, 12:35 PM
All residential high-rise buildings are generally built this way in NYC. *Same for mixed-use high-rises: *TWC and Random House both have steel-framed office bases under concrete residential towers. *I'm not sure how the economic advantages add up, but they must be there or it wouldn't be done this way.

Remember, this is reenforced concrete. *Inside the wooden frame, concrete is poured over steel bars that stay in as it hardens and give it extra strength. *Then the wooden frame is removed, as Chicagoan described. *It's many times harder than stone and much sturdier than a steel frame.

Freedom Tower
August 27th, 2003, 01:02 PM
Wow, thanks for explaining the whole process so well, everyone. Brooklyn Rider, you were right about learning a lot here. Btw, Chicagoan, what is "hvac"?

Eugenius
August 27th, 2003, 02:09 PM
HVAC = Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning.
To Chicagoan's very through explanation I would add a few other embellishments:
Generally, steel and concrete cost approximately the same.
Although steel is the more flexible medium after the building is finished, concrete is much more flexible during construction. *While structural steel is ordered 6 months in advance, with no room for modification during erection time, concrete forms can be changed within hours of the actual pouring process. *In this way, if a big-shot condominium purchaser suddenly decides that a quirky structural detail is absolutely necessary, it can be incorporated on the fly.
In the matter of the false ceilings: a concrete building, unlike a steel one, does not need false ceilings, since concrete forms the floor and the ceiling; therefore, all things being equal, concrete might be the material of choice. *However, the peculiar HVAC demands of office buildings make false ceilings necessary irrespective of the building material, so steel becomes more economically viable.

JerzDevl2000
August 27th, 2003, 03:08 PM
Wasn't 425 5th Ave. built in all concrete? I haven't heard much about that building since it was topped out.

Thanx for the info on steel and concrete. I love how this building is a "hybrid" and how great the facade looks! I wonder if we'll be able to see the top floors from Jersey...

Chicagoan
August 27th, 2003, 09:54 PM
Thanks Eugenius. You elaborated a lot more than I could.

Also there is a historical perspective. Office buildings were the first tall buildings and not until after WW2 was concrete technology far advanced to satrt building taller structures, with thinner columns and using less materials. In some places, steel had always been the material by technological contraints, so as time passed, this became a economic one. For example in South Florida, concrete is used more often because it is the trade that is most known, even if the soil in the area is more condusive to the lightness of steel.

Also DBHStockton added a ver important reason why concrete is used. It is not only harder than stone, but the chemical process that caused it to cure can also seamlessly join two pieces together and make them structurally contiguous ( like sidewalks).

More and more taller buildings will be built with concrete as it becomes easier to do so. Postensioning slabs have been a godsend!

425 is reinforced concrete. That was mostly due to the very high height:width (slenderness) ratio of the tower. The lateral forces on such a building is so great that only the stiffness of concrete, with a shear wall, could have economically solved the structural issues. Trump World Tower had similar issues.

Freedom Tower
August 27th, 2003, 11:17 PM
So is this part of the reason there is so much wood on WTC 7 right now? Is it actually just a mold for the concrete that is being poured?

Gulcrapek
August 27th, 2003, 11:42 PM
Yeah. Past the substation levels it'll be steel.

BrooklynRider
August 28th, 2003, 08:25 PM
Well, collectively we are a brilliant organism....

Freedom Tower
August 29th, 2003, 12:22 AM
haha you are right Brooklyn Rider.

perhaps all of our minds can be harnessed together into one supercomputer... :o ;)

(Edited by Freedom Tower at 11:23 pm on Aug. 28, 2003)

Just Rich
August 29th, 2003, 10:23 AM
They're going to have to tilt up the Bloomberg web cam!

Structure
August 30th, 2003, 08:45 AM
Which building is the camera on...?

Gulcrapek
August 30th, 2003, 03:17 PM
1 International Plaza

James Kovata
September 1st, 2003, 02:41 PM
Any estimate on when Bloomberg will top out?

Fabb
September 1st, 2003, 02:49 PM
At the current rate, July 2023.
No, seriously, I bet it'll top out within a year.

DominicanoNYC
September 1st, 2003, 03:19 PM
Hmmmm.... I haven't seen the building in a while. From the pics it seems it may top out by April- May 2004.

Structure
September 3rd, 2003, 09:08 AM
Staff will be in it on March 1

Stern
September 3rd, 2003, 09:30 PM
http://www.earthcam.net/graphics/gallery/megapixel/latest/bloombergev.jpg

James Kovata
September 3rd, 2003, 10:24 PM
Beautiful.... *For those of us not in NYC, how many concrete floors are up?

TLOZ Link5
September 3rd, 2003, 10:27 PM
All of the office floors have been finished.

Gulcrapek
September 3rd, 2003, 10:30 PM
At least 3 concrete floors are up.

DominicanoNYC
September 3rd, 2003, 11:07 PM
Now I see what the East and West Tower thing is.

billyblancoNYC
September 4th, 2003, 10:59 AM
How did you get this amazing shot?

Eugenius
September 10th, 2003, 02:38 PM
Optimization anyone? These images are impossible to view on this website, and they take forever to load.

DougGold
September 10th, 2003, 02:53 PM
I think this building is going to end up being one of the most heavily photographed skyscrapers in the city. Up close photos that is. The reflective effect the windows have on each other creates such amazing patterns! :shock:

BrooklynRider
September 10th, 2003, 03:18 PM
Optimization anyone? These images are impossible to view on this website, and they take forever to load.

Here, Here - I second that motion.

dbhstockton
September 10th, 2003, 05:10 PM
Do you have a 20" monitor or something? Nice pictures, but no need for them to be so big.

DominicanoNYC
September 10th, 2003, 07:41 PM
Do you have a 20" monitor or something? Nice pictures, but no need for them to be so big.

My computer can't handle these pics :?

Stern
September 10th, 2003, 07:57 PM
By popular demand I have removed the glorious pictures. You guys are uncanny.

TLOZ Link5
September 10th, 2003, 10:16 PM
We love the pictures, but we wouldn't love them as much if they forced our computers to crash simply by loading them. I have a pretty nice computer if I do say so myself, along with an excellent Ethernet connection.

DominicanoNYC
September 10th, 2003, 10:25 PM
By popular demand I have removed the glorious pictures. You guys are uncanny.
I'm sorry I loved the pics but the size :roll: was somewhat large. And loading from a Pentium 3 , and a slow connection :x it gets annoying.

ZippyTheChimp
September 11th, 2003, 12:47 AM
Sept 10, 2003 from Queensbridge Park

http://www.pbase.com/image/21220607.jpg

James Kovata
September 11th, 2003, 01:07 AM
Very nice. I assume that the crain will have to be raised before it's topped out.

Fabb
September 11th, 2003, 06:38 AM
The horizontal lines are not unlike those of Citigroup. The two tall buildings will be visually connected.

TLOZ Link5
September 11th, 2003, 05:29 PM
Just as shiny and glossy as Citigroup also. Unfortunately, Citigroup can use a good cleaning nowadays; it's kinda tarnished near the top.

DominicanoNYC
September 11th, 2003, 07:58 PM
It's look vey sleek and it's already having a small impact on the skyline from that angle.

GR2NYsoon
September 14th, 2003, 05:42 PM
looking very nice. last week i wrote 6 page paper on the thing and how i liked it, off top of head :) i am a fan for sure. so 30 stories plus the 10 floor roof light still to go ? FABulous !

Stern
September 14th, 2003, 05:59 PM
looking very nice. last week i wrote 6 page paper on the thing and how i liked it, off top of head i am a fan for sure. so 30 stories plus the 10 floor roof light still to go ? FABulous !

I dont understand how someone could write 6 pages on something their so misinformed about. btw. Bloomberg tower has 20 floors of residential, and a 6 storey crown.

And this spire ****ing rocks! thats why.

NyC MaNiAc
September 14th, 2003, 09:21 PM
GR2NY, you just confused the living daylights out of me. Does anyone understand what he just said? :lol:

GR2NYsoon
September 15th, 2003, 09:01 PM
hehe, i have a way of doing it. ok so i fibbed a bit. hte paper was on New York City in general, but i might actually be able to do the 6 pages on that tower alone.

What i meant by the next part was, looks like about 25 stories are up. 30 more to go, correct ? and then the 10 story roof thing ontop of that, correct ?

sorry i word things diffrently and often forget punctuation marks. :roll:

NyC MaNiAc
September 15th, 2003, 11:37 PM
It's just dandy, GR2NYsoon. We'll love you just the same. :oops:

emmeka
September 16th, 2003, 06:40 PM
My god, Im so glad the tower is speeding up again, i was wondering what the hell was going on before. But now thev switched to concrete theyre finally underway :lol:

Derek2k3
September 16th, 2003, 11:06 PM
http://www.dstproperty.com/prod_images/One%20Beacon%20Court%20cover.jpg

Gulcrapek
September 16th, 2003, 11:08 PM
Icyyyyyyyyy. I can't wait for the return of the dildo comments.

Kris
September 16th, 2003, 11:13 PM
So, I was browsing Penthouse again the other day...

NyC MaNiAc
September 16th, 2003, 11:49 PM
Haha, CW.

It's not as bad as Foster's Proposal for the WTC.

It would have caused a massive baby boom.

James Kovata
September 18th, 2003, 09:11 AM
Does anyone have any very very recent pics to post? Also, I've tried to locate the site that has the construction cam for the site, and I cannot find it any longer. It used to be at bloomberg.com. Any suggestions :?: :?:

Kris
September 18th, 2003, 09:48 AM
http://about.bloomberg.com/731lex.html

Stern
September 18th, 2003, 04:16 PM
Thanks. Notice how the concrete floors are being protected in preparation for the approaching hurricane.

Edward
September 21st, 2003, 12:34 AM
The Citigroup Center (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/citigroup/default.htm) and the construction of the Bloomberg Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm). 20 September 2003.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/bloomberg_citigroup_20sept03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

Fabb
September 21st, 2003, 07:46 AM
Another superb picture.
Thanks.

TLOZ Link5
September 21st, 2003, 01:23 PM
Is that a setback?

LeCom
September 22nd, 2003, 12:19 AM
The tower will look well with TWT and Citicorp on the Eastern side.

Agglomeration
September 23rd, 2003, 09:56 PM
Well, it appears that the Bloomberg Tower is getting its upper section. When all it's said and done the tower will stand out boldly and imaginatively in the city's image and skyline, unlike the out-of-touch mayor who shares the building's name. And no I don't like mayor Bloomberg.

emmeka
September 25th, 2003, 12:44 PM
TLOZ,
The rendering shows a setback, roughly where the residential section starts. I'd say its about half the finished height now.

Fabb
September 25th, 2003, 01:39 PM
The tower will look well with TWT and Citicorp on the Eastern side.

That's true.
But Citigroup will still be the most impressive (and distinctive) among the group.

yanni111
September 28th, 2003, 09:33 PM
it has about another 14 floors to go plus the crown section too!! It already has a great impact when you are coming down lex because now that the setback passed it looks even thinner and taller. Its gonna look great when finished!!

Fabb
September 29th, 2003, 08:50 AM
Only 14 floors ?
In that case, I hope the crown will add a lot of height.

matt3303
September 29th, 2003, 09:13 AM
Did they reduce the height from the original design? The original was supposed to be 60 floors and the city's 6th tallest. I'm disappointed.

TLOZ Link5
September 29th, 2003, 12:15 PM
It'll still be that high. No offense Yanni, but I think your calculations are a bit off.

Fabb
September 29th, 2003, 02:38 PM
I'm glad you think so.
I hope there are at least 20 floors left before the tower reaches the crown.

kliq6
September 29th, 2003, 03:09 PM
The building when finished will be 54 stories, 29 floors of 1 million square feet of office space and 25 floors of 101 condo's plus 200,000 square feet of retail at the base

Fabb
September 29th, 2003, 03:17 PM
How many floors of condos have been built so far ?

kliq6
September 29th, 2003, 03:43 PM
17 floors

Fabb
September 29th, 2003, 05:20 PM
17 out of 25 ? That can't be right.
Is the tower going to be 650 ft tall ? or even lower ?

Gulcrapek
September 29th, 2003, 05:22 PM
I think he meant 17 left...

Fabb
September 29th, 2003, 05:29 PM
That would be a relief...

kliq6
September 29th, 2003, 05:31 PM
correction 17 left to be built

yanni111
September 29th, 2003, 11:13 PM
yeah sorry i was wrong, 17 plus the crown is the correct number

matt3303
September 30th, 2003, 09:10 AM
And the crown is like the equivilant of how many floors? Six or ten?

emmeka
October 2nd, 2003, 07:07 AM
It is most probably six, but I could be wrong. Im really looking forward to the structure topping out!

Fabb
October 2nd, 2003, 07:15 AM
In either case, it'll be a huge space.
What will be in it ?
Water tank ? Exclusive club like that of the Chrysler building ?

emmeka
October 4th, 2003, 12:52 PM
A public area would be good so that people could admire the veiw, it'll be spectacular! But the likelyhood of that is minute.

Rich B Batman
October 7th, 2003, 02:31 AM
Everyone has been seemingly kept in the dark about this project even when it was proposed... one thing we all learned is that we can be surprised... lol... It would be nice if they had like a public atrium in the crown... that would be nice

emmeka
October 8th, 2003, 05:28 AM
Today im pretty sure that I counted nine concrete floors! Its moving fast! funnily the glasiers have slowed down now. Probably because they were going too fast in the first place, altough Im not complaning.

Rich B Batman
October 8th, 2003, 02:50 PM
Well i am very happy that they decided to stick with that bluish colored paneling... it makes the area much more diverse with buildings and their colors... It beats black glass or stone colored... Its just aesthetically pleasing to me

NYatKNIGHT
October 8th, 2003, 03:25 PM
Good to hear from you again, Rich. Wasn't this building just a foundation the last time you posted (as Batman)?

TLOZ Link5
October 8th, 2003, 03:57 PM
Indeed it was. Welcome back, Rich!

Stern
October 12th, 2003, 05:18 PM
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/bloom3.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/bloom4.sized.jpg

Gulcrapek
October 12th, 2003, 06:59 PM
Good shots. It won't stand out as much as I'd hoped, but that's probably because TWT changes the judgment of the area of the midtown skyline and because of that Blm and Citi look smaller than TWT.

Agglomeration
October 12th, 2003, 08:38 PM
Ahhh. Mr Rich Battista! Welcome back to Wired New York. You're just in time to witness the 851-foot and 54-floor Bloomberg Tower rising in Midtown.

PS: Isn't it weird that I for one adore Bloomberg the tower while openly loathing Bloomberg the mayor?

Kris
October 12th, 2003, 08:47 PM
Good shots. It won't stand out as much as I'd hoped, but that's probably because TWT changes the judgment of the area of the midtown skyline and because of that Blm and Citi look smaller than TWT.
It's essentially the perspective in this case.

yanni111
October 12th, 2003, 10:45 PM
yeah that view it wont stand out since its the shortest and farthest away of the three. But from the Qboro bridge its looking really good since you get a more even profile of midtown from there. I think the final height will be where the top of the crane is right now.

TLOZ Link5
October 12th, 2003, 11:53 PM
Hmm...I think it'll be a little bit higher, actually.

maxinmilan
October 14th, 2003, 05:31 PM
I have to say that Trum World Tower is really a great addition to the skyline. It's impressive.

Derek2k3
October 18th, 2003, 12:50 AM
I've never seen renderings look so good. They have some amazing people working there. I would buy some of the renderings and hang them on the wall. I'll only post this rendering of Bloomberg to give a hint at some of their work.

http://www.dboxstudio.com/pr/01/p01/03.jpg
:shock: :shock: :cry:


First read this: http://www.dboxstudio.com/cr2.html
Then go here: http://www.dboxstudio.com/

billyblancoNYC
October 18th, 2003, 11:51 AM
Excellent work and I love when an NYC firm does well.

Stern
October 18th, 2003, 12:27 PM
What I find amazing is how tall that rendering is! And how the setbacks match up, its hard to believe but it is not exagerrated.

Kris
October 19th, 2003, 03:08 PM
731 Lexington Avenue (http://www.dboxstudio.com/pr/01/p01/01.html)

DaCrystallineAngel79
October 19th, 2003, 06:53 PM
shouldn't Bloomberg be focused on the city? Not building skyscrapers... :shock:

Gulcrapek
October 19th, 2003, 07:54 PM
The building came before the mayorship...

JMC
October 20th, 2003, 08:18 PM
He's not even part of the company any more-sold his share.

JonY
October 21st, 2003, 04:50 AM
Regardless, Bloomberg is indeed starting to prove to be a great additon to the Midtown Manhattan skyline; IMHO from a Sydney fan of Manhattan.
Lostsa Love from Sydney, Aust. esp. in regard to Bloomberg http://qopt.phys.msu.su/pasha/smiles/smiles1/1luvu.gif

ZippyTheChimp
October 21st, 2003, 06:41 AM
What company JMC - ownership of the building?

I think Bloomberg will be a similar contrast as is Citigroup.

BrooklynRider
October 21st, 2003, 10:11 AM
He's not even part of the company any more-sold his share.

He's still very much a part of the company and still a majority owner. He simply resigned as CEO upon winning the Mayoralty.

emmeka
November 9th, 2003, 05:19 AM
About 17 concrete floors are up now its getting really tall now.

Stern
November 9th, 2003, 08:49 PM
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg1_001.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg2_001.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg3_001.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg4_001.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg5.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg7.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg8.sized.jpg

Some stiff competition across the street:

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg6.sized.jpg

Gulcrapek
November 9th, 2003, 09:30 PM
Hot.

The competition looks to be a nice shape.

GR2NYsoon
November 10th, 2003, 02:36 AM
competition. heh. it'd be soo great if they really were competing, and the guys accross the street just kept puttin up more stories and then the bloomburg construction workers say "well F that, we goona just sit here and get beaten?" and so they go up and up way into the heavens. now that'd be a storey. however unrealistic it may get.

emmeka
November 10th, 2003, 05:22 PM
Which building is the one across the street?

TLOZ Link5
November 10th, 2003, 09:09 PM
It looks like it'll be a residential tower. No guess as to how tall.

DominicanoNYC
November 10th, 2003, 09:33 PM
I'm guessing in the 350-400ft range from looking at the crane.

Gulcrapek
November 10th, 2003, 10:51 PM
Yeah, I remember an article about 731 which said there was a condo tower going up nearby. I think it was 35-40 floors.

TLOZ Link5
November 12th, 2003, 12:19 AM
731 looks to be at about 50 floors now. So that's four or so more, and then the crown.

Derek2k3
November 12th, 2003, 01:00 AM
993-997/995/999 Third Avenue
26 stories 289 feet
Richard Dattner
Under Construction 2003-September-late 2004

There's a rendering of the base here.
http://www.rkf.com/exclusive_listings/NEW/999third_main.asp

James Kovata
November 12th, 2003, 02:00 PM
What's the estimated height at this point? Any current pics of the building in relation to the skyline as a whole?

matt3303
November 12th, 2003, 06:58 PM
I saw it from the ESB observation deck last weekend. It already stands apart.

Edward
November 12th, 2003, 08:08 PM
Which building is the one across the street?

See this thread on 995 Third Avenue (http://forums.wirednewyork.com/viewtopic.php?t=490).

NYatKNIGHT
November 18th, 2003, 12:37 PM
November 15

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/CandB.sized.jpg

emmeka
November 18th, 2003, 02:38 PM
I know that it probably wont, but it would be great if the building reached where the top of the crane is, or somewhere around there.

Just Rich
November 18th, 2003, 03:12 PM
Great progress shot!

I don't think it's too optimistic to say the top will be at the top of the crane or a little higher.

Stern
November 18th, 2003, 03:53 PM
I know that it probably wont, but it would be great if the building reached where the top of the crane is, or somewhere around there.

Actually, it probably will.

Freedom Tower
November 18th, 2003, 05:27 PM
Well how many more floors to go? If it's any less than 10 there's no way it'll reach the tip of the crane. I'm guessing that about 12 more floors would bring it to the tip of the crane.

Gulcrapek
November 18th, 2003, 05:35 PM
It looks like 7-8 and the ~5 floor crown.

TLOZ Link5
November 18th, 2003, 05:44 PM
I think it's around 51 floors now.

Stern
November 18th, 2003, 05:48 PM
Id guess around 47.

JMC
November 18th, 2003, 08:32 PM
I walked by it, yesterday...and, I wanted to be impressed, but I just was underwhelmed. It looks stubby. Sad.

Gulcrapek
November 18th, 2003, 09:40 PM
It's not finished...

DominicanoNYC
November 18th, 2003, 09:57 PM
It doesn't look stubby at all in my eyes.

TLOZ Link5
November 18th, 2003, 11:11 PM
In that picture, the facade kinda reminds me of 2IFC.

emmeka
November 19th, 2003, 08:59 AM
I see what you mean, that facade is looking a lot like 2IFC. I hope the height does get near to the height of the crane. Well its supposed to be taller than citicorp, right?

ZippyTheChimp
November 19th, 2003, 10:27 AM
Citicorp will be about 60 ft higher. Near the top of the crane seems about right to me.

I like it.

emmeka
November 19th, 2003, 01:33 PM
well 60 feet aint much. By the wayif you look at this rendering you can see that it will be around where the crane is.

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Stern/Bloomberg3.jpg

NYguy
November 25th, 2003, 09:32 AM
NY POST...

VORNADO'S ROTH GETS LAST LAUGH

By STEVE COUZZO

November 25, 2003 -- IT took Vornado CEO and Chairman Steve Roth a decade to develop the old Alexander's site - a decade in which he put up with sniping from all sides over his seeming indecisiveness.

So now that Vornado's gleaming, 55-story tower - with its unique, block-through courtyard across from Bloomingdale's - is almost finished, does the man once dubbed the "Hamlet of Lexington Avenue" feel vindicated?

"Vindication is not a word I think of," Roth said good-naturedly when I reminded him that this page had been among the doubters.

As head of a huge, publicly traded REIT with shareholders to think of, Roth said: "We're business people. We do things methodically and by the numbers. We knew we had a great asset at a unique spot, and we weren't going to do transactions prematurely that wouldn't get us the values we eventually expected to get.

Roth earned his "Hamlet" headline after Vornado bought control of Alexander's Inc. in 1991. He demolished the shuttered store in 1998, and then pondered what to do with the full-block crater until he signed up then-private citizen Michael Bloomberg's media company as anchor tenant in spring 2001.

Today Roth, far from being unable to make up his mind, looks more like Fortinbras: the patient, determined warrior-strategist who wins in the end.

The project also catapults Vornado, the city's biggest commercial landlord, into the ranks of its big-league developers, and brings Bloomingdale's country a signature skyline element.

Roth said it was "obvious" that the deals for the site available to Vornado in the 1990s "were not going to ring the bell.

"Remember the auction houses?" he added - a reference to flirtations with Sotheby's and Christie's. "Notwithstanding pressures to do things prematurely, I have pretty strong convictions about what's right arithmetically."

The arithmetic of 731 Lexington includes its $630 million development cost and a $490 million construction loan from Hypo Vereinsbank.

Besides the Bloomberg offices, the tower boasts a stack of 105 deluxe condo apartments and 155,000 square feet of retail.

The most dramatic feature of architect Cesar Pelli's design is what Roth called its "grand gesture" - the mid-block courtyard linking 58th and 59th streets with lobbies for Bloomberg and the apartments. A space of sinuous curves and glass facades, it rises to an oval top, open to the sky much like the Pantheon in Rome.

The tower's 1.3 million square feet include 695,000 for Bloomberg's headquarters and about 180,000 feet of spec offices on floors 20 to 28, which Newmark's Barry Gosin - who repped Bloomberg in his epic negotiation with Roth - has been tapped to market.

Bloomberg loves aquariums, and Bloomberg L.P.'s sixth-floor "winter garden" lobby looks like an aquarium itself, with curved, floor-to-ceiling aquamarine glass that wraps over and around the courtyard.

According to Vornado's SEC filing, Bloomberg, under a 25-year lease, will pay base annual rent of $34.53 million for each of the first four years - about $49.68 a foot. It rises to $38.53 million in the fifth year, with a "similar percentage increase" every fourth year after that.

Bloomberg's decision to take nearly 700,000 feet - not 400,000 it had earlier sought - got the project off the ground after false starts that included schemes for department stores and a hotel.

Roth, with some amusement, said, "We still have 100 models of different buildings as the ideas changed - the tower on Third Avenue vs. the tower on Lexington; multiple towers and much lower buildings with no towers at all."

So why was the tall tower ultimately built on the Lexington side?

"Two reasons," Roth said. "It's a better office address. And it's 400 feet closer to Central Park" - no small issue for buyers of the apartments on floors 30 to 54, atop the offices.

"We've created a 24-story apartment house on the pedestal of our office building," Roth said. "They start at about 500 feet and rise to almost 800 feet," with spectacular views all around.

The building has a retail face, too: a 27,000 square-foot H&M store at the corner of Lexington and 59th; and a vast Home Depot Expo Design Center store, with 73,253 square feet on the concourse level and 4,462-square-foot street-level entrance.

About 50,000 square feet of stores are yet to be spoken for. All will open onto the avenues or streets, with one exception: an eye-popper of a restaurant inside the courtyard, sheathed in sloping glass under a 40-foot ceiling. The 7,000-square-foot eatery, yet to be leased, will fill the entire eastern curve of the courtyard.

Bloomberg and the stores won't move in until next year. But even unfinished, the tower's gleaming curtain wall is already a distinctive skyline presence - an effect achieved in part by using the least-reflective glass possible.

Roth said, "It's designed to glisten in the skyline. The white stripes give it a horizontal accent that makes it - what's the word? - dimensional. Right now it's dark, but when it's occupied it will take on a life of its own."

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SKY HIGH: For Vornado boss Steve Roth, patience has paid off with the Bloomberg tower, seen through its atrium roof above.

emmeka
November 25th, 2003, 10:30 AM
Is that netting across the top so that if anything falls from the tower it wont hit antone?

NYatKNIGHT
November 25th, 2003, 12:59 PM
Novemeber 21

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/128_2809_IMG.sized.jpg

ZippyTheChimp
November 25th, 2003, 01:38 PM
Whoa!

That's from Queensbridge Park, right?

I figure with the crown, about 10 storeys to go.

NYatKNIGHT
November 25th, 2003, 02:33 PM
That's from Queensbridge Park, right?
Right.
I wasn't expecting to see the lower floors exposed from there.

kliq6
November 25th, 2003, 05:02 PM
called a contact at Bovis, they said 8 more two go

Stern
November 25th, 2003, 05:08 PM
They could easily write a book about the development. The design is great, but just imagine if it would've neared 1000 feet as it was once planned.

TLOZ Link5
November 25th, 2003, 06:05 PM
called a contact at Bovis, they said 8 more two go

Eight more floors as of right now? Does that include the crown?

Maybe there is a little extra height in store.

DominicanoNYC
November 25th, 2003, 08:13 PM
It's beautiful. It should be called something else rather than the Bloomberg Tower.

Stern
November 25th, 2003, 08:29 PM
It's beautiful. It should be called something else rather than the Bloomberg Tower.

I really dont see why it should, but it is!

Bloomberg Tower a.k.a
One Beacon Court
731 Lexington Place
Alexander's Tower

emmeka
November 26th, 2003, 07:00 AM
I think it sounds nice when people call it one beacon court.

John Morgan
November 26th, 2003, 07:35 PM
Thought you might like to see some pictures of the inside.

http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/003.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/007.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/009.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/011.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/014.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/015.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/016.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/017.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/018.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/020.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/021.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/022.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/023.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/024.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/028.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/026.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/025.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/030.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/004.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/008.jpg http://www.nhor.com/lexington/thumbnails/010.jpg

These are from the East side of the building where The New Bloomberg Television Studios will be.

NYguy
November 26th, 2003, 08:14 PM
Very interesting....

Stern
November 26th, 2003, 08:21 PM
The shots around "Beacon Court" are particularly interesting, any chance that it will become public space?

matt3303
November 26th, 2003, 11:59 PM
If that huge atrium does not have any public space....how typical of Bloomberg. By the way, I saw it from the BQE in Queens yesterday. (The elevated part where you get an amazing panorama of Midtown) it stands out now, but only because of the orange netting. Let's hope when it's finished it won't blend with everything else.

John Morgan
November 27th, 2003, 12:45 AM
From what I've been told the first two floors of the ENTIRE building are for commerical residents(ie: stores,resturants). The Bloomberg floors will be starting on the third floor. I would not want to speculate, but I have heard that a well known chain of "Do-it-yourself" stores will be one of the comerical residents.

Zoe
November 27th, 2003, 10:09 AM
The do-it-yourself comercial resident has been reported to be Home Depot. This has come out several times. Thanks for the look inside!

emmeka
November 27th, 2003, 02:46 PM
Yeah, because on the towercams it kinda blends in.

Gulcrapek
November 27th, 2003, 02:47 PM
Thanks for the interior shots, very interesting. :)

NYguy
December 3rd, 2003, 07:53 PM
From what I've been told the first two floors of the ENTIRE building are for commerical residents(ie: stores,resturants). The Bloomberg floors will be starting on the third floor.


Sounds about right...


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