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Rich Battista
December 20th, 2001, 11:29 PM
Bloomberg is supposed to build a 54 story glass skyscraper on the old Alexander's Department Store sight between 58-59 streets and 3rd Avenue to Lex. Designed by Cesar Pelli and his son Rafeal Pelli. It will rise nearly 870 feet in the air and is expected to be taller than Trump World Tower, which is the tallest residential building in the world. They were projected to move into the space in 2004, now who knows.

I have been told that the project has been put on hold because of some major design changes. These design changes are about building more floors to push the buildings height over Trump World Towers 881 feet
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December 22nd, 2001, 12:02 AM
I don't think the picture changed a lot since April (below).


January 29th, 2002, 09:49 AM
The design is somewhat disappointing. I wonder how Cesar and Rafael collaborated on the scheme.

The site is exceptional. It deserves better.

Rich Battista
January 29th, 2002, 08:26 PM
Fabb, have you seen what the design is supposed to look like, if you have, can you put a picture up?????

January 29th, 2002, 08:58 PM




(Edited by Derek2k3 at 9:53 pm on Jan. 30, 2002)

Rich Battista
January 29th, 2002, 10:40 PM
Thanks for trying Derek

January 29th, 2002, 11:53 PM
If you go to the image location you can see them fine.

Rich Battista
January 30th, 2002, 08:37 PM
Does anybody know what its exact height is going to be, they said around 870 feet, i am not sure

February 2nd, 2002, 05:53 PM

February 13th, 2002, 11:36 PM
February 13, 2002

Vornado Realty Trust's upgoing Bloomberg Building on the former Alexander's site at 731 Lexington Ave. will have stunning, sky-high apartments that will someday likely end up costing the residents over $1,500 a foot, far out of reach of most New Yorkers.

But not all New Yorkers will be left out in the cold.

A city program allows builders to turn one square foot of lower income housing into four square feet of bonus zoning for luxury housing. And if the original builder cannot use the bonus capacity on another site, it can than be sold to other developers for projects in the same neighborhood. The city calls this "inclusionary housing" as it is developed in the same area - though not necessarily in the same project.

According to the city's office of Housing Preservation and Development, Vornado has used this inclusionary program to create an extra 258,779 square feet for its own luxury residential use at the Bloomberg site.

This square footage has already been calculated into the building, but accounts for its ability to have these residences.

To get the square feet, Vornado developed one building and has purchased the bonus feet from two other projects in their community board, leaving the multiple homes for seniors in their wake.

Vornado bought and will use 97,372 square feet from the 53-unit senior project developed by RFR and Davis & Partners at 351 East 61st St. RFR still has another, approximately 100,000 square feet of development rights to sell or use itself.

Another 42,507 square feet was purchased from the project at 346-348 East 21st St. developed by BFC Partners.

The last 118,900 square feet is being obtained from the 41-unit project for the Met Council that Vornado is developing with Jeff Levine at 171 Lexington Ave. Another 36,400 square feet from that site will be transferred to other developments.

Mayor Mike's company has already leased 700,000 square feet in the base of the Bloomberg Building for its new offices and there is a retail base of about 275,000 square feet in which H&M has already leased 40,000 square feet. The total project is just over 1.3 million square feet. No surprise. There's no comment from Vornado even when they perform a mitzvah.

February 14th, 2002, 06:29 AM
Vornado has used this inclusionary program to create an extra 258,779 square feet for its own luxury residential use
... so many hindrances to the construction of tall buildings.

By that I guess building a thousand footer in NY would be a feat !

Rich Battista
February 17th, 2002, 07:17 PM
hold up, i thought it was only going to be around 870 feet, I assume that is why they bought all that extra space so they dont have to build up. I have one question, the wonderful pictures that someone posted, will the top of this building be lit up????

February 17th, 2002, 11:20 PM
Yeah, 868 ft, I would assume the top wouldn't be lit up, it's just a glass cage containing the water tower

Rich Battista
February 19th, 2002, 08:20 PM
I have been told that the project has been put on hold because of some major design changes. These*design changes are about building more floors to push the buildings height over Trump World Tower. Which is 881 feet tall.
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(Edited by Rich Battista at 8:29 pm on Feb. 19, 2002)

February 20th, 2002, 02:59 PM
thats exusable ;)

(Edited by Stern at 3:00 pm on Feb. 20, 2002)

December 7th, 2002, 05:46 PM
H & M store is going to be a tenant in the Bloomberg Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) when it opens in 2003. Picture from May 2002.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/731lexington_hm_18may02.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

Rising steel of 731 Lexington (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) and the view of Bridge Tower Place (http://www.wirednewyork.com/bridge_tower_place.htm) from 58th Street on 4 August 2002.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/731lexington_58th_4aug02.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

The steel beams of the future Bloomberg headquarters (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) in front of the blue glass of International Plaza Building. 31 August 2002.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/731lexington_international_plaza_31aug02.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

December 7th, 2002, 05:48 PM
October 11, 2002
Fire breaks out at future site of Bloomberg LP headquarters


NEW YORK -- A series of explosions was heard as a transformer fire broke out Friday at the Manhattan construction site of the future headquarters of Bloomberg LP, the Fire Department said.

"It was like the Fourth of July," said Charlie Caruso, who was working at the site. No injuries were reported.

The first of the explosions was reported at around 2:15 p.m. at the site on Lexington Avenue and 58th Street and the fire was under control by 2:40 p.m., fire officials said.

Consolidated Edison spokesman Joe Petta confirmed that a transformer fire was to blame and said the company's crews were on the scene investigating. The cause of the fire was not immediately known, he said.

There were no service outages or reports of property damage because of the fire, he said.

The normally bustling streets surrounding the site, near Bloomingdale's department store, were blocked to vehicular traffic as firefighters hosed down the fire.

It was the second time in three months that an electrical fire broke out at the site. The earlier one, in August, injured one worker.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who founded the financial information company, is no longer involved in its daily operations.

A call to Bovis construction, which is doing work at the site, was not immediately returned.

December 7th, 2002, 05:50 PM

December 7, 2002
Steelworker Killed in Fall at Mid-Manhattan Construction Site

A steelworker slipped and fell to his death yesterday morning at a Midtown Manhattan construction site, the police said.

The accident took place just after 9 a.m. at 731 Lexington Avenue, between 58th and 59th Streets, where a 54-story building is being constructed on the site of the old Alexander's department store. The building will be the headquarters for Bloomberg L.P., the financial and media information company founded by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg.

The worker, Todd Puckett, 25, slipped on a wet platform and fell from the 12th to the 10th floor while surveying the steelwork, the police said.

Workers at the site said Mr. Puckett slipped and fell under one of the three safety cables that run around each floor. "All the safety procedures are in order; it's just a freak accident," said Paul Tully, 45, another worker at the site.

Workers said platforms at the site are swept clear and dried with a heater every day to make them safer. It was not clear why the platform was wet. The safety cables Mr. Puckett slipped through are not intended to prevent falls, merely to let workers know where the edge is, said a second worker, Michael Giovanelli, 43.

Most of the roughly 250 workers at the site left at noon, out of respect for Mr. Puckett. However, the site remained open, with about 50 construction workers continuing at their jobs, prompting complaints from some of those who had stopped for the day.

Mr. Puckett, who lived in Durham, N.C., was pronounced dead at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, the police said. Bovis Lend Lease, the overall construction manager at the site, will conduct an investigation, a company spokeswoman said.

"He always had a smile on his face, a really nice guy," Mr. Giovanelli said of Mr. Puckett.

Another construction worker was critically injured in an unrelated accident yesterday when he fell off a pitched roof while removing snow at a Midtown building, the police said. The 28-year-old worker, whose name was not released, was at Bellevue Hospital Center after falling from the roof at 156 West 48th Street, the police said.

TLOZ Link5
December 7th, 2002, 06:14 PM
The building's podium is completed. *I think they're starting work on the tower right about now.

The thing I like best about this project, aside from the height, is how they made a private midblock street with that overhead canoidal screenwall connecting the two podiums. *It just seems like a very novel and unique idea. *The screenwall at the top, so I've heard, will be backlit, so it'll be quite a beacon once it's finished.

December 7th, 2002, 08:22 PM
They have spent an inordinate amount of time on the 11th floor. *It looks like a "mechanical" floor that would house machinery and systems necessary for the upward thrust of the building.

December 8th, 2002, 12:08 AM
I'll take shots of it tomorrow

December 8th, 2002, 05:10 AM
I'm really sorry for the worker who died...


Quote: from Gulcrapek on 12:08 am on Dec. 8, 2002
I'll take shots of it tomorrow

Thanks. We'll be waiting.

TLOZ Link5
December 8th, 2002, 08:46 PM
Yeah, the poor guy. *Horrible accidents happen, even when the greatest safety precautions are met.

Can't wait to see your pictures, Gul!

December 11th, 2002, 09:20 PM
The pier at Queens West (http://www.wirednewyork.com/queens/queens_west/default.htm) and the East Side of Manhattan, with Citigroup Center (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/citigroup/default.htm) and the cranes of Bloomberg Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) in front of International Plaza Building. 7 December 2002.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/queens_west_east_bloomberg_7dec02.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

December 12th, 2002, 03:11 AM
I can see only one crane.

December 12th, 2002, 01:03 PM
the citicorp is amazing, sometimes it looks completely white and sometimes ,like in this pic, it looks metallic silver

December 12th, 2002, 05:01 PM
I like this picture a lot. *It would be great if you took another picture from the same exact spot after the tower is completed. *The people in Queens West sure have a fantastic view.

December 13th, 2002, 01:36 AM
Wow! *What a nice blend of older and newer buildings.

Rich Battista
December 14th, 2002, 12:44 AM
yes it is an amazing pic

December 14th, 2002, 07:55 PM
live webcam:


December 14th, 2002, 08:38 PM
Could you identify the website?

December 15th, 2002, 09:32 AM

"Bloomberg's new New York headquarters is rising on the former Alexander's site on 58th and Lexington Avenue. The developer, Vornado Realty Trust, began construction on the building in July 2001. Bloomberg estimates its occupancy to begin in January 2005. The building will reach more than 850 feet in height totaling 52 stories. Bloomberg will be the anchor tenant with more than 4000 New York employees, customer training and state-of-the-art broadcast facilities."

December 15th, 2002, 04:42 PM
Thanks for the website. I guess the given height (over 850 ft.) should be trusted, considering the source.

There's a second major tower planned for the area- I don't believe its been discussed. Look at the low rise properties at the upper left hand corner of the webcam. A condominium tower with extensive retail is planned for the site, at the northeast corner of 3rd and 59th. The site is currently occupied by a shuttered movie theater and some low rise retail.

There at least two other developement sites in the neighborhood- both sites for high rise residential on 2nd Avenue. I think one is at 61st street, don't know the second location. *

December 15th, 2002, 05:09 PM
I had no idea. Extensive demolition is underway on existing structures. I overlooked it as I thought the site was far to small for anything tall to go, but with a general low density it could provide great views of Central Park. If its tall, great. Also glad to hear it will have extensive retail, the area might be a shopping mecca.

TLOZ Link5
December 15th, 2002, 05:44 PM
It will be a big retail mecca. *H&M, I heard, is going to be the anchor retail tenant.

December 16th, 2002, 11:06 AM
The area that has been cleared to date is rather small, but the building adjacent to the site seems to be deserted and in the process of getting demolished as well. *The potential tower could easily take up half the length of the 59-60 st. block.

Rich Battista
January 2nd, 2003, 12:35 AM
I am very excited to hear about this great news. The area could easily become a shopping mecca, especially with Bloomberg at the helm. Who knows what surprises he could scramble up

January 2nd, 2003, 01:43 PM
I believe it is an RFR Davis property. 425 Fifth Avenue was a financial success for them and built on a tiny 3,000 square foot plot, here another sliver with high units would have even better returns.

Rich Battista
January 2nd, 2003, 01:51 PM
ahhhhh, so true

January 2nd, 2003, 09:34 PM
There is currently a row of clear glass panels on the second floor along the Western and Southern facades of the building. *I can't wait until they bring in the colored glass, so we can see the effect the Bloomberg building will have on the cityscape.

TLOZ Link5
January 3rd, 2003, 12:18 PM
They're starting work on the tower, I see.

January 3rd, 2003, 12:27 PM
Does anybody know the final height on this?
Skyscaper.com puts it at only 780....disapointing if that's true!

January 19th, 2003, 06:10 PM
The Bloomberg tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) will rise near the blue bullet of International Plaza Building, on the left. 18 January 2003.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/731lexington_central_park_pond_18jan03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

January 20th, 2003, 03:35 AM
Very nice picture.
I hate the uncertainty about the height.

January 20th, 2003, 08:01 AM
The Bloomberg website lists the building's height as above 850 feet.


Select "Watch the progress of our headquarters", at bottom left of page

January 20th, 2003, 09:39 AM
Above 850 ft is pretty vague.
Could it be possible that they still have several options including a taller than TWT ?

January 20th, 2003, 02:26 PM
Bloomberg is far more reliable, afterall I dont foresee a skyscrapers.com skyscraper any time soon, as Bloomberg has for its reputation, it is by far the better source.

January 20th, 2003, 02:46 PM
The spire of the Chrysler Building was a secret until they erected it - could the Bloomberg tower surprise us?

January 20th, 2003, 03:08 PM
Not a chance.

January 20th, 2003, 04:35 PM
Christian, that was brutal.
Yes, NYatKNIGHT, it's a possibility.

January 20th, 2003, 04:36 PM
I'm a brutal kind of guy.

January 20th, 2003, 04:58 PM
I laughed when I read it - Chris is always good for instantly deflating any delusions.

January 20th, 2003, 05:08 PM
Not mine.
He's not as brutal as he thinks he is.

January 20th, 2003, 05:32 PM
And what am I the eternal optimist?

If 850 feet is the latest figure, than it must be. Is this wishful thinking, yup.

hmmm...we'll just have to wait until 2005, because the story never ends at Alexander's.

January 20th, 2003, 06:02 PM
Since we are all more or less clueless all delusions may be freely entertained!

January 20th, 2003, 06:08 PM
You have my blessing.

January 21st, 2003, 12:57 AM
"could the Bloomberg tower surprise us?"

Well, let me think of another suprize Bloomie threw our way.......

That's it! They will secretly erect a 200' cigarette spire on top to taunt us!!

January 21st, 2003, 03:02 PM
We may have our answers sooner than you think. *As of last Thursday (last time I passed by the building) it had 14 floors. *I can see this thing penetrating the skyline this year...
And yes, I am inclined to believe that they will max out the height over and above TWT. *It just makes economic sense to do so.

January 21st, 2003, 03:48 PM
The skyline would be perfectly balanced if it matched exactly the height of Citigroup.
Another wild dream.

January 21st, 2003, 03:56 PM
I love the flat crown of the Bloomberg Tower, litteraly its cool as it looks like an ice cube . It will go great with the "white" cutoff at Citicorp.

January 21st, 2003, 04:07 PM
The Citicorp is radical. This will at best be slick.

Rich Battista
January 21st, 2003, 08:29 PM
that was what i was thinking, just immagine if that was lit up in halogen blue. However, the top is glass will probably be lit up as a yellow beam, like Bear Sterns. Maybe they will do something like Citicorp or the ESB, and have lights focusing on the buildings skin, i feel at night the reflection of the blue building would be aewsome. I cannot wait to see BBT mixed with the sun on the skyline.

TLOZ Link5
January 22nd, 2003, 04:48 PM
I'll be able to have a nice view of it, at least. *I can see the crane out my window as of now. *It won't obscure my view of Citicorp, but I think it'll block what's left of my view of the MetLife building (namely, most of the cornice logo). *But it won't be a total loss, I guess. *Can't wait to see Bloomberg finished in 2004.

February 8th, 2003, 07:46 PM
Bloomberg Tower. Rising now, 18 storeys.


Just Rich
February 8th, 2003, 11:52 PM
Wow, thanks for the update Stern.
That sucker is gonna rise fast now that they're on typical floors.

Do we still not have a definitive height on this guy?

February 9th, 2003, 01:57 AM
Great pics Stern, I gotta get over here and check it out. The facade looks great so far, the little of it that has been clad.

February 9th, 2003, 02:07 AM
Yeah, I have to agree with JerzDevl, *REALLY great pics Stern!

February 9th, 2003, 05:43 AM

February 9th, 2003, 09:36 AM
Thanks a for all the positive feedback.

I love the highly detailed metallic façade on this baby.

We still have conflicting heights, I was hoping to find a construction worker on break but was unsuccessful. I was also without luck on finding a security guard at the Hearst Building. The entrance was locked, but the remaining few retail tenants are closing and “moving to another location”, this is a positive sign.

(Edited by Stern at 9:36 am on Feb. 9, 2003)

February 9th, 2003, 09:26 PM
The Bloomberg tower (731 Lexington) (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) appears on New York skyline. The blue rocket of International Plaza Building on the right. 9 February 2003.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/731lexington_queensborough_9feb03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

February 12th, 2003, 05:33 PM
And cranes from the ESB cam....


February 12th, 2003, 10:15 PM
I presume that the Bloomberg will become an icon in the skyline even before it's topped out. Midtown is really getting its act together.

It's sad we can't say the same for Lower Manhattan.

Rich Battista
February 17th, 2003, 12:42 AM
* The tower is coming together very nicely now. The fascade is beautiful, i cannot wait to see that metallic blue baby on the skyline when shes completed, i hope she has flood lights that show the metallic blue at night, kind of like citicorp and the building next to it. We can see the construction very distinctly now coming over and off of the 59th street brige. I highly doubt there will be any more surprises up Bloombergs sleeve, however there is 1 distinct detail that i should mention to all of you. Bloomberg, i believe, has made plans and blueprints all the way to the crown. This, i feel is where he will pull any surprises if any. Word around says that if the Bloomberg Corporation has a surplus left over in its budget alotted for the building when it has reached the crown, that they would go the extra mile to push the height a little further and possibly go all out for their tower to be seen in the night skies.
* Just in case anyone is wondering where this information came from, it is from my firend that is an affiliate of Vornado and has kinda inquired for me and got a few chit chatting answers from some ppl.

February 17th, 2003, 07:23 AM
So the final height depends on a hypothetical surplus ? I'm not sure this is good news.

February 18th, 2003, 09:34 AM
Rich, by the "building next to Citicorp," do you mean the Lipstick Building? *I do like the way the reddish tint of that building is highlighted.

February 18th, 2003, 11:08 AM
I'm sure Rich was referring to 599 Lexington Avenue (53rd Street) -- that lovely sleek skyscraper by Edward Larrabee Barnes. *It gets lit up beautifully at night and is a wonderful companion to Citicorp. *

February 18th, 2003, 12:29 PM
Rich: From the Bloomberg website:

The building will reach more than 850 feet in height totaling 52 stories.

Would you agree that 850 feet will be the minimum, but its Bloomberg's call to rise higher? What potential heights are we talking about here, what are the chances. Is this good corporate citizenship or are the motives otherwise. The entire process is confusing.

February 18th, 2003, 12:41 PM
The complexities of putting up a big building, never mind a colossal skyscraper, are astounding. *I don't think the powers-that-be are calculating variables when hundreds of millions of dollars have been committed, hundreds of workers are under contract, and two massive cranes are 800 feet in the air.

It's true that the spire of the Chrysler Building was a surprise, but that was purely decorative and did not involve ungodly amounts of money and planning.

I don't think hard-headed businessmen like Bloomberg and Roth and seasoned architects like Pelli work on contingencies: if the market is up when we near 52 stories, we'll add on...if we gain extra cachet by besting the Trump Tower we'll add on...

If Bloomberg says 850, that's what I'm going by. *Anything else would be a surprise -- a pleasant surprise, but a surprise all the same. * *

February 18th, 2003, 12:57 PM
850 feet is a comfort. A relief in that the process that is Alexander's Tower is over! This has been a great act of drama, however complex this show has been. Roth has talked from nearly 1000 feet, 900 feet, and the tragedy 450 foot twins, 720 feet, 780 feet. 850 feet sounds to be a climax. This has been a rollercoaster, but from the looks of things it looks as if [we] the internet skyline enthusiasts havent faired too badly.

February 18th, 2003, 03:21 PM
i truly hope that they make it 850+ because midtown could really use it. the cluster of 650-750fters throughout midtown could use some more focal points. Since bloomberg is around 60th st near the end of midtown the skyline would really nice with a large building here to go along with citicorp. Now if we could only get a 1000fter somewhere in there

February 18th, 2003, 05:29 PM
I think that any height addition would be purely decorative and as such, it may actually happen. *I doubt that they will alter the number of floors on the building, but I wouldn't put it past Mike Bloomberg to chip in a few bucks for a Chrysler-like surprise. *Especially if the completion of the building coincides nicely with a potential reelection campaign.

February 18th, 2003, 07:44 PM
what does bloomberg have like 5 billion dollars??..lets hope he's not cheap id like to see him spend a little extra and push it past TWT.

February 18th, 2003, 09:51 PM
Trump World Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/trump_world_tower/default.htm) is hiding behind the Citylights (http://www.wirednewyork.com/queens/queens_west/citylights.htm) building, on the left. The striped Citigroup Center (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/citigroup/default.htm) in the center. To the right, the tower of Four Seasons Hotel (http://www.wirednewyork.com/hotels/four_seasons_hotel/default.htm) with scaffolding on top. The cranes of The Bloomberg tower (731 Lexington) (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) appear on New York skyline, far right. 9 February 2003.


March 9th, 2003, 09:10 AM
It would be my guess that at this point it is nearing 450 feet.


March 9th, 2003, 09:32 AM
Excellent progress.

March 9th, 2003, 09:59 AM


March 12th, 2003, 10:14 PM
On my way to work today I counted 24 complete floors, so the 450 foot figure may be a bit excessive. *I would guess the height at 400 feet.

Bk Italian 123
March 14th, 2003, 12:39 AM
Really? i don't know if anyone here lives or works near the Bloomberg Tower site, but can any one tell me wut floor they are currently on? *Also, does any one have any info in the Con Ed site? *I heard that one confirmed tower was 900 feet, and they were trying to make another, much bigger one... could some one please clarify, it would be a help, thanx :)

March 14th, 2003, 12:14 PM
Like Eugenius said, they're on the 24th floor as of last weekend.


The tower is much more slender than I expected.


The glass around the base is nearly complete, although the renderings show that the tower will have a different curtain wall - alternating light dark stripes.


The Third Avenue end isn't finished, but it is topped out.


March 14th, 2003, 05:16 PM
Slender's good. Right, Fabb?

The Brain
March 15th, 2003, 06:52 AM
My company was involved early on in the pre construction peruiod. I know the whole project team at Bloomies. I will make a call and take the final design mystery out of this chat.

March 15th, 2003, 10:07 AM
Thanks alot Brain.

I had a friend that said he could get me into the Bloomberg site, he was a crane operator, it would definetly be cool to get a view from the cranes.

Brain what was your position there?

(Edited by Stern at 10:08 am on Mar. 15, 2003)

March 15th, 2003, 08:35 PM


Just Rich
March 16th, 2003, 09:49 AM

Thanks for that link...what a great shot that is.
Must be from the building just to the south.
This is really a monster full block project and it sure
is going up fast now!!

March 17th, 2003, 12:02 PM

Great cam view looking down on the site! *Really gives one an idea of the design and set backs. *

Hopefully, the tower's height will be at least 850'...we will be waiting w/ baited breathe from the..."brain".

March 17th, 2003, 12:21 PM
(I hate answering late, but I spent the week-end at the beach.)

Quote: from Christian Wieland on 5:16 pm on Mar. 14, 2003
Slender's good. Right, Fabb?

Yes, sure.
As long as it doesn't look like an anemic dick. ;)

March 17th, 2003, 03:57 PM
Wow. I guess that remark was more memorable than I thought.

March 17th, 2003, 04:38 PM
Right. But that was easy.
Now, what kind of memorable remark could you make about that one ?

March 17th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Well, I've already said it looks like one of those icy dildos you occasionally see in Penthouse. But you don't remember, so it must not be a winner.

March 17th, 2003, 09:30 PM
Aw. Come on guys. Stop thinking like that.

March 18th, 2003, 08:15 AM
I like the slender design of the tower also, but still wish it had a spire of some kind, for more of a presence on the skyline. *A cousin to the Chrysler...


March 18th, 2003, 06:11 PM
I live about 8 blocks from the bloomberg building and often take the 59th and Lex subway to work. Any word on if the station will be revamped and incorportated into the base of the tower???

btw, just converted from skyscraperpage.com, there was alot of mention of wirednewyork so decided to give it try. NYGuy pointed it out ;)

March 18th, 2003, 06:14 PM
That would be real nice of Bloomberg, its unexpected though, they will be adding another 4000 employees to an already congested station.

(Edited by Stern at 6:15 pm on Mar. 18, 2003)

March 18th, 2003, 08:37 PM
Yeah, that station is incredibly crowded as it is -- Especially in July and August on the platform with a thousand other people, it's as hot as Africa down there. *

March 18th, 2003, 09:01 PM
Quote: from NYguy on 8:15 am on Mar. 18, 2003
I like the slender design of the tower also, but still wish it had a spire of some kind, for more of a presence on the skyline. *A cousin to the Chrysler...

I'd love to see to see a crown on this building.

March 23rd, 2003, 10:43 PM
Mar 23, 2003

March 23rd, 2003, 10:49 PM

March 24th, 2003, 03:45 AM
This is still the office part of the building, right ?
Is there going to be a transition from steel to concrete when the residential part is reached ?

Just Rich
March 24th, 2003, 09:59 AM
The structure (columns and beams) on this building look extremely thin for a building in the 800 foot range. *I thought the structure on
the Times Square building (currently rising) looked thin *too but it at least has some diagonal bracing for stability.

March 24th, 2003, 10:18 AM
The Times Square Tower is actually pretty narrow in the East-West dimension compared to the Bloomberg, while also being broader in the North-South dimension. *Therefore there is expected to be greater wind pressure against the building, and less girth to withstand it. *For that reason it needs diagonal bracing.
Most of the very thick beams in the Bloomberg building are within the core, and are not visible from the outside.

March 24th, 2003, 10:51 AM
I agree. The broad base stabilizes the structure.
There are several floors with diagonal bracing too.

March 24th, 2003, 02:45 PM
Hey guys, I have been reading this forum for a while now, and I can say that I have a little information about the building.
I am working for the company that is installing the curtainwall system for the building.
The transition from steel to concrete floors will be on floor 30, where the residential area starts.
Overall height of the building as of the latest info that I have is going to be right around 855'-6" and that at the T.O. Coping....which is about the latern area at the top. *Anything else of interest that I can think of, I will add.

March 24th, 2003, 02:49 PM
Hi 731GUY. Welcome to the forum.

That's great news to get a real height figure for the building. There's been so many conflicting reports.

One question though. What's T.O. Coping? Is that the very top cap of the building?

March 24th, 2003, 02:56 PM
Yeah, T.O. Coping is the top cap on the curtain wall/highest point that we are working with, and we have gotten no further instruction that the height is going to change.

(Edited by 731GUY at 4:11 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

Just Rich
March 24th, 2003, 03:20 PM
Thanks for the height figure 731 guy

Nice and tall...just the way we like 'em!

March 24th, 2003, 03:56 PM
Assuming the crown is taller than 6 feet, this building should surpass the Trump World Tower. *If it is taller than 48 feet, it will surpass Citicorp.

March 24th, 2003, 04:19 PM
Thanks 731Guy. Finally a height, in feet and inches.

Now about that crown, well.......what about the crown?

(Edited by NYatKNIGHT at 4:30 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

March 24th, 2003, 04:28 PM
What exactly do you guys mean by a "crown"? *If it is the back-lite part (otherwise known as the Latern) of the building that you guys are referring to, that height of 855'-6" is the height at which the building will top out at. *If that isn't what it is, then let me know.

(Edited by 731GUY at 5:28 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

(Edited by 731GUY at 5:44 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

TLOZ Link5
March 24th, 2003, 04:48 PM
Do you have a firm floor count, 731GUY?

March 24th, 2003, 04:50 PM
855'-6" ? Really ?
I can live with that.

March 24th, 2003, 04:51 PM
Me too.

March 24th, 2003, 05:09 PM
Quote: from 731GUY on 4:28 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
What exactly do you guys mean by a "crown"? *If it is the back-lite part (otherwise known as the Latern) of the building that you guys are referring to, that height of 855'-6" is the height at which the building will top out at. *If that isn't what it is, then let me know.I don't know, Eugenius mentioned a crown that sounds like it starts at 855'-6".

If not, I can live with that height too, especially for the tower's relative isolation.

March 24th, 2003, 06:19 PM
I apologize if I misled anyone. *I was under impression that the backlit part would be above the spot where the curtain wall ends. *If that is not the case, then I take back the stuff I said about superceding various buildings.

March 24th, 2003, 07:19 PM
855 to flat top, impressive.

March 24th, 2003, 07:21 PM
It should have the effect on Central Park, as TWT has on the east river.

March 24th, 2003, 10:17 PM
This may sound like a stupid question, but *I have run into this kind of confusion in the past. Is the height figure have given, taken form the sidewalk level or sea level? Also, do you have the height to the highest occupied floor?

(Edited by Tywebb at 9:19 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

March 24th, 2003, 11:03 PM
Usually height from sidewalk level. I'm sure of this from the following two examples:

Trump World Tower's (http://www.skyscrapers.com/re/en/wm/bu/100377/) height was officially bumped down from 881ft to 861ft because the 881ft figure it was from sea level.

Sears Tower (http://www.skyscrapers.com/re/en/wm/bu/117064/) is often misquoted at 1454ft instead of its official 1450ft height because of a 4ft variance between two of its entrances.

March 25th, 2003, 07:59 AM
Quote: from 731GUY on 2:45 pm on Mar. 24, 2003

Overall height of the building as of the latest info that I have is going to be right around 855'-6" and that at the T.O. Coping....which is about the latern area at the top. *Anything else of interest that I can think of, I will add.

Welcome 731GUY (from 731 Lex?)...actually, any information on this building would be welcome. *Its among the most mysterious buildings rising in Manhattan.

Speaking of the subway station, I once worked at the dept. store that was there years ago (Alexanders) and the subway station was a very crowded one, although local and express were on seperate levels. *There was also a direct entrance into the store from the subway platform, so I'm guessing its possible there could be an entrance to the Bloomberg building. *Kind of like a throwback to the old NY skyscrapers...

March 25th, 2003, 08:50 AM
Floor count would be Floors 30 to 53 is residential, and that height to top of slab on 53 would be 788'-8".
Height is taken from sidewalk, not sea level.
Lantern or back-lite part is 49'-9", which infact is curtain wall as well.
That floor count is firm, as that is all that we have been working on since about last March roughly, been a while I know that. *Some of the top floors are penthouses, like I am sure some of you guessed.
I would love it if you guys out there could take more pics and post them, that would be great.

(Edited by 731GUY at 9:51 am on Mar. 25, 2003)

March 25th, 2003, 09:06 AM
I was over there on Sunday, and took one shot from the east.
I wanted to take some midblock shots, but a police car was parked there, and cop said "no photos." I didn't argue.

I'll try again.

March 25th, 2003, 09:12 AM
Mr.731 thanks again for all your insight.

model view 855'


March 25th, 2003, 11:52 AM
731Guy, heaps of thanks for your information about Bloomberg Tower. *Might I ask you to clarify one point, though?

You write that the tower's height will be 855 ft, 6 inches. *You broke it down as follows: to the top of the 53rd floor is 788 ft, 8 inches. *The lantern is 49 ft, 9 inches.

Put together, that comes out to a height of 838 ft, 5 inches. *What explains the difference?

This building will be one marvelous addition to the skyline!

March 25th, 2003, 01:25 PM
The difference is 15'-0", which is the height from the top of slab on floor 53, to the top of slab on floor 54, which is the beginning of the latern. *That is where the height difference is coming from.
And also, the height of 855'-6" is to the top of coping, not to the top of slab on the top of building, as the slab is down from that elevation.

March 25th, 2003, 01:57 PM
731Guy thanks alot for the information, 54 floors is also the number i got from a construction worker i asked a few months ago. 855 is an excellent height, i would have been happy with 800 which is about the height where the slope of Citicorp begins. 855 will have a huge impact on the east side skyline along with the other east side giants Citicorp,Trump and Chrysler!! And because its so slender i think it will look even taller than it really is.

March 25th, 2003, 02:02 PM
Because this building's setbacks are minimal, the full height of the Bloomberg should be visible from the street below (unlike, say, the Chrysler), and unlike Citicorp the building is not built in the center of a plaza. *As a result, the view from across Lexington will be that of unmatched verticality. *I can't wait to see this thing reach its full height.

March 25th, 2003, 02:52 PM
And its reaching it at an incredible pase.

March 25th, 2003, 02:55 PM
Transition to concrete could take awhile, and it looks as if we are at that point now.

Im wondering though, why arent the residential units being marketed?

March 25th, 2003, 03:02 PM

March 25th, 2003, 03:13 PM
I dunno. *Good question. Maybe b/c the market for ultra luxury is not too great now and they think maybe they'll be a rebound soon? *I dunno, it's a prime address in a prime location and should sell pretty well (take TWC for example). *You would think they would want as much time as possible to pitch the goods.

March 25th, 2003, 04:15 PM
Maybe they wait until the market has absorbed the apartments at AOL-TW Center.

March 25th, 2003, 04:48 PM
They have a sign at the site advertising the apartments but I have not seen anything else past that.

March 25th, 2003, 04:57 PM
Midblock from 59th

From 58th

March 25th, 2003, 05:04 PM
How is there no "Bloombergtower.com" or 731lexinton.com???

TLOZ Link5
March 25th, 2003, 06:20 PM
It'll be interesting to see the alignment of this building on Lexington Avenue with Citicorp and Chrysler behind it. *From farther uptown, I would guess that Bloomberg would appear to be the tallest, with Citicorp partially obscured behind it and appearing shorter due to the perspective, and then Chrysler right behind Citicorp and appearing shorter still.

Anyone who's looked down Lexington Avenue from the Upper East Side will understand what I'm alluding to.

March 25th, 2003, 11:15 PM
Thank you very much 731guy for the details. 855'6" is a much better sounding figure than 780', which was given by Cesar Pelli.

Bennie B
March 26th, 2003, 02:11 AM
modest fellow--most guys OVER estimate *:)

Just Rich
March 26th, 2003, 09:15 AM
In the first pic from Zippy it looks like they're incorporating some of the existing Alexander's facade into the project.

Just Rich
March 26th, 2003, 09:18 AM
Nevermind my last post. *I just looked at the photo again and it's actually a reflection of the building across the street. *Pretty good reflection though...lines up nicely.

March 26th, 2003, 09:51 AM
That's right.
It looks like the reflection of Bloomingdale's.

March 26th, 2003, 10:48 AM
Photographic artistry, but like most, totally accidental.

I really like the glass and polished metal curtain wall of the base. Clean and sharp.

March 26th, 2003, 10:53 AM
I noticed that on the Lexington side they are installing the blue-tinted glass above the several levels of clear glass. *The blueness is subtle enough as to not to appear garish.

March 26th, 2003, 02:03 PM
[quote]Quote: from ZippyTheChimp on 4:57 pm on Mar. 25, 2003
Midblock from 59th

Hmm...Looks like they're pouring wonder-bread! *But we know it's strong because it has vitamins and minerals!

Bag of Donuts
March 26th, 2003, 07:35 PM
Hey that does look like wonderbread!

March 26th, 2003, 08:26 PM
Those trucks have had that polka-dot pattern for as long as I can remember. *Nice to see some things don't change.

TLOZ Link5
March 26th, 2003, 08:52 PM
Ahhh, the Wonder-Bread cement mixers...I remember that they kinda went AWOL for a few years a while back; I stopped seeing them during that time.

If I recall correctly, they had a fuel dump or something on the FDR Drive along the Harlem River, a little ways away from the Willis Avenue Bridge. *It's just a rusting hulk now, though; you can barely see the polka dots on the tanks.

March 27th, 2003, 10:18 AM
FYI - The rusting hulk along the Harlem River Drive was demolished ~6 months ago, and is in the process of being replaced by a waterfront park.

TLOZ Link5
March 27th, 2003, 07:46 PM
OK, so my news isn't all that up-to-date, and I haven't been on the HRD for a while.

Oh well. *Thanks for clearing that up, GL. *And welcome to the forum.

Just Rich
April 1st, 2003, 09:32 AM
It looks like they've definitely hit the top level of steel and are preparing to switch to concrete. *It's been a couple of days since any more steel has been erected.

I've been copying a pic from they're web cam everyday to get a time lapse movie going of the construction. *Pretty cool.

April 1st, 2003, 03:20 PM
cool! I was thinking of doing the same. Are these taken at the same time of day?

April 1st, 2003, 03:22 PM
Do you guys remember the Alexander's thread on the old forum also had over 100 replies. Hot Topic.

April 1st, 2003, 03:32 PM
The recipe is simple.
Give some hint that the tower might emerge above the skyline and you'll get many replies.

Just Rich
April 1st, 2003, 04:12 PM

Not always same time of day.
Just whenever I remember to do it.

TLOZ Link5
April 1st, 2003, 04:42 PM
It's starting to appear on the skyline, especially from LIC.

And skyscrapers.com has listed its height as 855 feet, finally.

April 2nd, 2003, 07:40 AM
They've come to their senses, finally.
I knew Stern was right.

April 3rd, 2003, 10:41 AM
Some interesting construction angles:








April 3rd, 2003, 12:28 PM
From above, it's really a key-hole.
A big one.

April 3rd, 2003, 02:30 PM
What site is this from? Nice.

April 3rd, 2003, 02:42 PM
Quote: from Fabb on 12:28 pm on April 3, 2003
From above, it's really a key-hole.
A big one.


April 3rd, 2003, 03:21 PM
What site is this from? Nice.

www.earthcam.net is providing the service. Somewhere there is access to a number of these live webcams.

April 6th, 2003, 07:43 AM
April 6, 2003
Hard Hats Insist There's a Squirrel Up There

The 54-story glass and steel tower that Bloomberg L.P. is building on the site of the old Alexander's department store isn't due to be finished until 2005, but if the construction workers there aren't imagining things, its first occupant has already moved in.

Several months ago, a gray, bushy-tailed squirrel appeared on the eighth floor, and, enticed by the prime Midtown location and a generous supply of bagels and bananas from workers' lunches, it decided to stay. Or so some of the workers say.

Not everyone working at the site, on Lexington Avenue at 58th Street, has seen the squirrel, but everybody seems to know about it. It does not live in a cage, but ventures out from behind steel beams at the end of the workday, to collect scraps and to cement its title as the job site's unofficial mascot.

Mike Weipert, a strapping teamster in a Levi's denim jacket and a hard hat plastered with decals, was surprised that anyone outside the site had heard of it. "Boy, nothing's sacred," he said. But even with the secret out, Mr. Weipert was circumspect about the squirrel's identity, although he did refer to it as male.

"He's anonymous," Mr. Weipert said. "Nah, I'm not giving out names. Next thing you know he gets an agent, the agent gets 60 percent, he goes to a bigger site.''

Other workers offered unhelpful suggestions as to the squirrel's whereabouts: "We threw him off the roof." "A tank rolled over him." A worker whose girlfriend is a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals hurriedly added that a tank did not, in fact, run over the squirrel.

Responding to the arched eyebrows of a reporter and a photographer, who did not actually see the squirrel, workers insisted that it did exist. To prove it, Dino Verdi, a foreman, radioed a worker named John, in another part of the building.

"Hey, John, did you get rid of that squirrel?'' the foreman asked.

"I still got him," John replied over the radio. "I've been trying to get him to wear safety goggles, but he refuses."

Brett Auerbach, a superintendent standing nearby, added, "Hopefully, he'll bring in a crew of squirrels, and they'll finish the job for us."

For now, the mysterious squirrel has a safe, dry pied-à-terre. But what happens when the building - to be the headquarters of the financial and media information company - is completed?

"I think he's going to do very well with Bloomberg," Mr. Auerbach said.

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

April 6th, 2003, 11:52 AM
You would think they would have also given a progress report on the building, instead of just a story about a squirrel. *Can't wait until 2005 when Bloomberg is finished.

April 6th, 2003, 01:08 PM
"Hopefully, he'll bring in a crew of squirrels, and they'll finish the job for us."

I hope not. Animal rights violation !

April 7th, 2003, 12:32 AM
the only bad thing about this building is that it will block the view down Lexington from uptown of chrysler, i noticed today driving down lex that the line of the beamsfacing lex will block both citicorp and chrysler because its set closer to the street

April 7th, 2003, 02:06 PM
holy massive pics batman!

Thx Stern!!!!!

Bennie B
April 18th, 2003, 07:04 AM
Pretty exciting. *But it looks like International Plaza is about to lose the space race (it's about half as high).

May 2nd, 2003, 11:46 AM
after over a month of standstill...



May 2nd, 2003, 03:45 PM
A month of standstill! What's up with that? Suspense?

Just Rich
May 2nd, 2003, 06:28 PM
This looks like installation of the transfer structure to support
the concrete structure above.

May 2nd, 2003, 06:32 PM
Rich I agree. Do you have any idea why the time for the steel to concrete transition is so long?

Just Rich
May 2nd, 2003, 07:47 PM
Other than the structural acrobatics they have to do to transfer the loads I'm not sure why it took so long.

Maybe the rest of the steel up to this point rose ahead of schedule
and they had to wait for the concrete dudes?

May 3rd, 2003, 12:46 PM
The cranes of The Bloomberg tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) appear on New York skyline. The view across Central Park Pond. 1 May 2003.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/731lexington_central_park_pond_1may03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

For comparison, a picture from 18 January 2003. The Bloomberg tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm) will rise near the blue bullet of International Plaza Building, on the left.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/images/731lexington_central_park_pond_18jan03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

May 3rd, 2003, 02:11 PM
I think Citigroup will remain the eye-catcher from this angle. Taller and more distinctive.

May 3rd, 2003, 05:35 PM
Quote: from Fabb on 2:11 pm on May 3, 2003
I think Citigroup will remain the eye-catcher from this angle. Taller and more distinctive.

But now it has a younget brother to share the skyline with.

(Edited by Evan at 5:35 pm on May 3, 2003)

James Kovata
May 3rd, 2003, 08:02 PM
I agree, unless Bloomberg adds another 100 feet.

May 3rd, 2003, 08:49 PM
What's that ugly building in the middle of the Bloomberg Tower and the CitiCorp building.

May 4th, 2003, 03:43 AM
Is it the Galleria you're talking about ? (the building that looks uncompleted)

May 4th, 2003, 08:51 PM
Yes. It looks horrible.

May 6th, 2003, 12:07 AM
New York skyline, from left to right: the cranes of Bloomberg Tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm), Citigroup Center (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/citigroup/default.htm), House III by Roy Lichtenstein, the spire of Chrysler Building (http://www.wirednewyork.com/landmarks/chrysler/default.htm), The Four Seasons Hotel (http://www.wirednewyork.com/hotels/four_seasons_hotel/default.htm). The view from the roof garden of The Metropolitan Museum of Art (http://www.wirednewyork.com/metropolitan_museum.htm).

http://www.wirednewyork.com/museums/metropolitan/metmuseum_lichtenstein_roof_bloomberg_4may03.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/731lexington/default.htm)

May 6th, 2003, 08:58 AM
I swear the construction on the top of the Four Seasons has got to be as slow as anything I can ever remember.

May 6th, 2003, 09:19 AM
Maybe it's a permanent feature. That would be a big surprise, right ?

May 6th, 2003, 01:31 PM
LOL. Permanent black netting as design feature. Maybe the building's a widow. ;)

May 6th, 2003, 01:57 PM
Renovation takes forever. *Look how long it took them to do the Paramount marquis in Times Square -- they built the Reuters building and were halfway through the Ernst & Young tower by the time it was finally finished. *And don't forget about that big hotel above the Gap on 42nd that has been behind black netting for as long as I can remember.

May 6th, 2003, 03:45 PM

May 9th, 2003, 02:44 PM
LOL Edward, I particularly like the arc created by Citicorp, House III and the Four Seasons.

May 13th, 2003, 02:41 PM
Here are some computer models by Jon Seagull \http://www.jonseagull.com
Copyright Holder: 7th Art Pictures
Production Notes:
A 3D model and presentation renderings of their project were in hand, but a client promoting their new luxury office/residential project in midtown Manhattan wanted a striking visual for their promotional material that conveyed the refinement they were seeking, quickly and on a budget.
By turning their existing model into a crystal sculpture, with the attendant play of light, a whole new way to experience their building presented itself.
The crystal graphics were incorporated as graphic elements in video, web, and print materials, providing an anchor for the building's identity.

May 13th, 2003, 03:14 PM
Anxiously awaiting the:
graphic elements in video, web, and print materials

And this basically sums up Pelli's design aesthetic:

refinement they were seeking, quickly and on a budget

And from the looks of it, we're half way there guys. The visual impact from around the Queensboro Bridge will be something to behold...

Dominating the vicinity would serve better identity than a hollow shell of a model.

(Edited by Stern at 3:16 pm on May 13, 2003)

May 13th, 2003, 03:34 PM

May 13th, 2003, 04:49 PM
There's the dildo I was referring to. It appears in Penthouse Magazine from time to time. They do funny things with it.

May 14th, 2003, 02:09 PM
I wonder if a see-through building like that could be built. *That would be something.

May 14th, 2003, 03:26 PM
That's one cool rendering you have there Stern. Are they going to do that lightnig effect when it opens.

May 16th, 2003, 10:19 AM
Fom Queensboro walkway May 15, 2003

May 16th, 2003, 11:16 AM
Eleven pages and no one has posted this yet:


James Kovata
May 16th, 2003, 12:13 PM
GREAT pic. *Is the height still confirmed at around 851'?

May 16th, 2003, 12:22 PM
855'-6" according to 731GUY (page 6 of this thread).

Just Rich
May 16th, 2003, 12:42 PM
Hey great update picture Zippy!

Based on the rendering it looks like they're at the level of the
first major setback.

It gets skinnier and taller from here...can't wait!!

May 16th, 2003, 12:53 PM
That's your job Christian - to ferret out these great links.

So that cross bracing is the transition to concrete?

May 16th, 2003, 12:58 PM
Based on the rendering, that setback is more than half way up. Are they really there already?

May 16th, 2003, 03:14 PM
I think that rendering had already been posted in an old thread. I was just surprised not to find it in this one.

May 16th, 2003, 03:48 PM
Yes, it was. I thought it was lost forever - glad to see it again! That rendering was the first to show that the glass is reflective rather than blue. The blue comes mostly from the blue sky in early renderings. Note the lower part of the tower.

TLOZ Link5
May 16th, 2003, 04:55 PM
That rendering was posted on Stern's site.

May 16th, 2003, 05:52 PM
Quote: from NYatKNIGHT on 12:58 pm on May 16, 2003
Based on the rendering, that setback is more than half way up. Are they really there already?
The tower is currently up at around 30 stories, so it is more than half-way up already.

May 16th, 2003, 10:33 PM
i went by the site today a few times (i drive a yellow cab) and they were working all day, cranes lifting new pieces of steel into place!!

May 16th, 2003, 10:36 PM
This is one of the best renderings I've seen yet.

May 17th, 2003, 08:35 AM
i went by the site today a few times (i drive a yellow cab) and they were working all day, cranes lifting new pieces of steel into place!!

In which case its only appropriate to bring back the live webcam:


Finally, sufficent coverage for a substancial building.

Keep your eyes peeled here:


Marketing and Sales for Residences at the "One Beacon Court" has already begun.

May 17th, 2003, 10:32 AM
Finally, I was wondering when this building would eclipse its tallest neighbor. *The developer, Vornado, also owns the building to the right...


May 17th, 2003, 02:35 PM
One of the two immense cranes on top of the Bloomberg Building is busy disassembling the other; it's an amazing process to watch. *

TLOZ Link5
May 17th, 2003, 06:19 PM
Quote: from Eugenius on 5:52 pm on May 16, 2003

Quote: from NYatKNIGHT on 12:58 pm on May 16, 2003
Based on the rendering, that setback is more than half way up. Are they really there already?
The tower is currently up at around 30 stories, so it is more than half-way up already.

There's still the unoccupied glass crown at the top. *So I'd say that structurally, it's about, not more than, half-way done.

James Kovata
May 18th, 2003, 02:06 PM
What's the estimated completion date?

TLOZ Link5
May 18th, 2003, 03:24 PM
Late 2004, I believe.

May 18th, 2003, 04:11 PM
One of the two immense cranes on top of the Bloomberg Building is busy disassembling the other; it's an amazing process to watch.

Now there's only one, I had this horrible thought that only the office portion will top out. You never know, as plans have changed a million times, even in the course of construction. Confirmed is that Home Depot "Expo Design Center" will take 100,000 square feet of the basement space.

TLOZ Link5
May 18th, 2003, 08:42 PM
Well, if there is an Expo in Bloomberg Tower, that means that people won't have to drive all the way to New Rochelle to get their materials. *It would certainly have been advantageous to my family right now; we got all the materials for our new kitchen from the Expo in N.R. *Not to mention that it means jobs and revenue when it's finished.

May 19th, 2003, 10:36 AM
Hey guys, sorry it has been a while since I last posted, but have been really busy working on changes to the building that seem to keep happening all the time. *
No the building height hasn't changed. *But they are working on the transition from steel to concrete on the 29 floor, and floor 30 is where the concrete begins, but it is going to take a while to do the transition, and soon from what I have heard both tower cranes will be down.
They are more than half way up with the structure, as the residential ends at floor 53, and then it is latern from there on up to the roof. *Gotta run and make more changes.

May 19th, 2003, 11:13 AM
but without any cranes how can they pull up more new steel? And how would they get the concrete up? Will they use a different type of crane?

May 19th, 2003, 01:23 PM
From what I head a PM say, they are going to be taking down both cranes and installing a different one, but that might have changed. *From my understanding they are going to be doing buck lifts for the concrete, but like I said before, that was a long time ago that I heard that and things change.

May 19th, 2003, 01:32 PM
Thanks so much for the inside scoop!

May 23rd, 2003, 04:09 AM
they are working on the transition from steel to concrete on the 29 floor, and floor 30 is where the concrete begins, but it is going to take a while to do the transition

Beside the technical reasons, I assume they're rushing to finish the lower part so as to start renting the offices before the completion of the building.

May 23rd, 2003, 08:59 AM
Beside the technical reasons, I assume they're rushing to finish the lower part so as to start renting the offices before the completion of the building.

Getting a "Certificate of Occupancy" from the city which is required before anybody moves in to the building is virtually impossible without it being finished.

May 26th, 2003, 09:25 AM
True, the retail pavilion on 3rd will open in 2003 though. Inwhich case it would've made better sense if Vornado went with an earlier twin portion scheme, construction would complete in almost half the time. But Ill hold-out for a later date for a better finished product, whether it makes sense or not.

May 31st, 2003, 12:05 AM
Cropped renderings from vno.com.

Hopefully somebody can do a better job, as these are spectacular.





Bloomberg Tower; stacking plan:


Ground Floorplan:


May 31st, 2003, 12:28 AM
YES more confirmation of 849.4 ft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it will have almost *the same impact on the east side skyline as Citicorp since Citicorp at 850 gets pretty narrow because of the slope. That rendering looking down 3rd avenue with Bloomberg,Citicorp and Chrysler all in a row is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
look how small the blue pointy International Paza building and the Osborn HQ from Spiderman look in comparison!!

May 31st, 2003, 01:35 AM

May 31st, 2003, 03:04 AM
Only 9 floors of speculative offices ?
This building won't flood the market.

May 31st, 2003, 08:36 PM
What do theyt mean by mechanical? I've heard the term used before as in a mechanical floor.

May 31st, 2003, 08:44 PM
Elevators, air-conditioning, ventilation, etc.

Just Rich
June 1st, 2003, 08:16 AM
Thanks for the info Stern.
Nice detailed drawings to use to update my model.

June 2nd, 2003, 03:12 PM





TLOZ Link5
June 2nd, 2003, 04:06 PM
Construction has kinda slowed down at the moment, don't you think?

June 2nd, 2003, 05:07 PM
But they are working on the transition from steel to concrete on the 29 floor, and floor 30 is where the concrete begins, but it is going to take a while to do the transition, and soon from what I have heard both tower cranes will be down.

June 4th, 2003, 04:48 PM
The Beacon court should be sensational. Nice tower, not very innovative but it seems with a good sense of proportions and quite prominent. From the renderings I thought the color was blue but now it seems silver. Silver should be better considering the close Citicorp...

June 10th, 2003, 12:38 PM
If you ask me New york has its own type of buildings, and what i mean is that all the present ones all suit it. If you put the Bank of china from hong kong in new york, it wouldnt really fit.

Bloomberg tower does fit in this category, and I like the fact that its going to be a skyline changer, you know like the size of the citicorp.

June 10th, 2003, 04:23 PM
Website now up:


June 10th, 2003, 05:11 PM
This site doesn't function on my computer.
I could only see a frame with One BeaconCourt written in it.

And also that the guy who designed the interiors has a French name.

June 10th, 2003, 05:46 PM
There's some nice shots of the model in the Cesar Pelli section.

June 10th, 2003, 10:29 PM
I had not seen much about this building, but heard quite a bit, until I saw and ad in last weekend's Times. I went to the site and I think that this building will be nice... especially the proportions and the lower level structures.

Can anyone confirm this: I read that the building will have a hybrid structural frame with steel at the bottom and rinforced concrete for the residences. Has anyone else heard this? THAT too would be something!

June 10th, 2003, 10:43 PM
Yes, I think it's somewhere in this thread. AOL/TW and Random House use it too.

June 11th, 2003, 03:29 AM
Quote: from Chicagoan on 10:29 pm on June 10, 2003

Can anyone confirm this: I read that the building will have a hybrid structural frame with steel at the bottom and rinforced concrete for the residences. Has anyone else heard this? THAT too would be something!

It's not that unusual.
900 North Michigan has the same structure.
I bet you're familiar with this building. ;)

June 11th, 2003, 08:33 PM
Yeah. I think it was the first major highrise and the tallest, at the time, to use that system. It is so logical and efficient that I think it should be used more. But logistics...

900 is one of KPF's buildings and although I don't care much for the final design, I think urbanistically, it is a wonderful building.

June 11th, 2003, 08:55 PM
I have a book mostly about 900 North Michigan and 125 East 57th Street in New York. The originals were different, as the book was published before either was realized. In relation to this thread I find it interesting how a 66 storey building with a crown and similar massings of use retail, office, condo's is nearly the same height as a building, 55 storeys.

(Edited by Stern at 8:56 pm on June 11, 2003)

June 12th, 2003, 08:30 AM
June 12, 2003

Reclusive Developer Conjures Accessible Space


Steven Roth's project at 731 Lexington Avenue, shown in late May, will feature an elliptical courtyard.

COULD it be that one of New York's more reclusive developers is building one of the city's most publicly accessible private spaces?

Grandly scaled "rooms" — courtyards, galleries and atriums — are defining new commercial towers, much as plazas once provided settings for skyscraping corporate icons. Unlike plazas, however, these interior spaces are not technically public. Some will be more welcoming than others.

Though Steven Roth, the chairman of Vornado Realty Trust, stays out of the public eye, it appears that the elliptical courtyard of his project at 731 Lexington Avenue will invite the public with open arms. This mixed-use development between 58th and 59th Streets has been designed by Cesar Pelli & Associates, architects of the Winter Garden at Battery Park City.

The courtyard at 731 Lexington Avenue received the blessing of Michael R. Bloomberg before he became mayor, the architects said. Because the headquarters of Bloomberg L.P. will wrap around the courtyard, Mr. Bloomberg visited the Pelli office in New Haven to inspect renderings and models.

"Bloomberg himself was quite captivated by the idea of the space," said Rafael Pelli, a principal in the firm that bears his father's name. "No one knew how he'd react, because it came at the cost of larger floors. But he loved it. He saw how it could bring personality to the project."

Its personality might be described as a distantly abstract kin of the tiny piazzas that punctuate the dense urban fabric of Venice. But in this stainless-steel-and-glass version, there is not a right angle to be seen. The curving walls are gently canted inward, seven-and-a-half degrees, as they rise 110 feet. That tapering perspective forces one's gaze skyward. Stepping into this upside-down bowl is pleasantly disorienting, as if one had been momentarily liberated from Manhattan's orthogonal grid.

Architectural bravura alone does not distinguish the space, however. Its utility will come from having openings at both ends, meaning that pedestrians and some vehicles will be able to pass through from 58th to 59th Street most of the time.

"That is what makes it truly public," Cesar Pelli said. "If it were a dead end, people wouldn't come in. They would think it was a private court."

As a further lure, the courtyard's north portal frames an inviting view of the noblest portion of Bloomingdale's hybrid facade: grand, arched window bays in an 1893 midblock annex on 59th Street.

Formally designated Beacon Court, the open space at 731 Lexington Avenue amounts to 12,683 square feet. Bloomberg headquarters will fill the base of the building, running to Third Avenue. There will be apartments in the upper 24 floors of the 55-story, 813-foot tower on the Lexington Avenue side. Completion is expected next year. A spokesman for Vornado said the project had not received any economic incentives or tax abatements from the city.

The courtyard idea started as a drive-through passage, Rafael Pelli said, and kept getting bigger. He said Mr. Roth loved the idea. (Mr. Roth, customarily keeping his own counsel, declined to be interviewed.)

Beacon Court's crosstown rival will be the Great Room of the AOL Time Warner Center on Columbus Circle, designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. Behind a 150-foot wall of sheer glass, this 8,000-square-foot hall leads to an 11,000-square-foot gallery extending north and south, following the curve of Columbus Circle. It will not open until October, so it is too early to say whether this space will feel like a vibrant shop-lined street or more like an aisle in a mall.

Far more private will be the 34,000-square-foot, 70-foot-high atrium in the headquarters tower designed by Foster & Partners for the Hearst Corporation, to rise within and above the landmark Hearst Magazine Building on Eighth Avenue, between 56th and 57th Streets. This third-floor space will generally be closed to the public, though visitors will be able to glimpse it from the lobby.

EVEN more private will be the 4,900-square-foot courtyard within the future headquarters of The New York Times Company on Eighth Avenue, between 40th and 41st Streets, designed by the Renzo Piano Building Workshop and Fox & Fowle. This space, filled with birch trees, will be closed to everyone, though visible through glass walls from the ground floor and The Times's newsroom above.

Of course, judging any space under construction is risky. At Beacon Court, much will depend on whether security measures are imposing or inconspicuous and on whether comings and goings from Bloomberg headquarters, the apartments and a restaurant will help animate a spartan volume.

The architects are willing to let it evolve. "The idea," Rafael Pelli said, "is to let this space become what it wants to be over time."

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

Just Rich
June 12th, 2003, 09:56 AM
813 feet!?! *Come on don't make us mad...
We all know that is 855'

Anyone notice that the construction web cam for this building
has been down for about a week?