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Rich Battista
December 26th, 2001, 12:53 AM
This 58 story, 625 foot tall buff brick tower was built by the same architects whom built the Empire State Building, of the same year, 1931, on an equally prominent site on the northwest corner of 42nd street.

Despite of its beautiful style and looks, it goes as an anonymous building within the cities skyline. This is in part due to its scale. The plot of 5oo Fifth is less than a quarter the size of the Empire State, so the setbacks have less impact. The lack of symbolic decoration is not a main reason for its lack of public recognition. The towers flat crown, which once featured red neon (500), is now a normal tower. Its problem is it lacks a spire such as the Empire State, and the thin tower does not stand out for many people.
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In this building, the setbacks seem minimal, thus showing emphasis on the slab of the sheer square topped tower. Shallow setbacks on the corner street fronts, lead to a flush wall on the uptown side that runs the entire length of the building. Its 4 story limestone base is minimally decorated with colored metal spandrels. The cornices of the buildings shallow setbacks are accented with tan panels of abstract patterned terra-cotta, and a centeral bay of dark stone spandrels that run up the buildings center of Fifth Avenue and 42nd street fronts.

Please if you can post pictures and your replies of this great looking tower.
Thanks, Rich Battista

Edward
December 28th, 2001, 03:07 PM
500 Fifth Avenue

Height to roof: 213 metres
Date built: 1930
Use: Office
Location: New York, United States
Architect: Shreve, Lamb & Harmon
Developer: Walter J. Salmon

Here is an old postcard of 500 Fifth Avenue building

http://www.wirednewyork.com/images/import/500fifth_postcard.jpg


And here you can see the corner of 500 Fifth Avenue. The image is from the thread about the proposed 505 Fifth Avenue office tower (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=27).

http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/505fifth/images/505fifth_west_25dec.jpg

Rich Battista
December 28th, 2001, 10:41 PM
Thanks a lot Edward on sending in these great pictures
Thanks, Rich

Edward
February 3rd, 2002, 02:16 AM
The recent pictures of 500 Fifth Avenue (http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/500fifth/default.htm)

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/500fifth/500fifth_2feb02.jpg

http://www.wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/500fifth/500fifth_entrance_2feb02.jpg

Fabb
February 8th, 2002, 11:28 AM
It's wonderful.
It should have a twin across 5th Ave.

Why is the red neon gone ?

Rich Battista
February 9th, 2002, 06:12 PM
It dissapeared a long time ago, they did away with it when WW11 started. During this period all buildings were dark at night, and all people were demanded to put up dark shades to let no light show through their windows so if anytype of planes were looking to attack NYC they couldnt find the buildings at night. I believe the big red numerals "500" in red neon lighting are still functioning, but i guess the building just seemed small compared to the Empire State and the Chrysler. They probably did away with lighting it after the war because people must have figured no one would pay attention to the building, but to the two other beauties on 42nd street and the Empire State Building. The two beauties i am talking about are the Chrysler and Chanin buildings. That was a very good question.

Bob
July 24th, 2004, 09:53 AM
500 5th is an art deco gem. Love it! I've always considered this a practice run at the Empire State Building. Or, a junior-sized version which could be imagined to say, "When I grow up I want to be the Empire State Building."

This beautiful building is on a prime, visible location. Imagine how the property's value might be enhanced by restoration of the neon, and installation of set-back lighting, a la its big brother down the street.

NYatKNIGHT
July 26th, 2004, 11:17 AM
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/500_5th.sized.jpg

BrooklynRider
July 26th, 2004, 03:27 PM
That's a beautiful shot!

v_yazigi
February 18th, 2006, 11:24 PM
My name is Vivian and I´m 53 years old
I´m Brazilian and I live in Brazil
My father has lived in NY City during all his life till 1983 when he passed away.
His office was at 500 Fifth Avenue
When I was 15 years old my father sent me a ticket and said: Now you´re going to know the United States.
The first place he took me when I arrived in the USA was the building of his office: 500 Fifth Avenue,
My father was very proud of his office and he just lOVED the building.
I visited New York three more times and I spent long time at my father´s office.
After he died I didn´t return to the USA;
Sometimes I tried to picture in my mind the building and the image that came to me was of Empire State Building. And I thought to myself: Am I crazy? Why I want to remember the building of my father´s office and I keep on remembering Empire States?
Now I understand. The same architect built both buildings !
I just knew it seeing this site.
I was lonely tonight and I missed so much the 500 Fifth Avenue Building that I looked for it at Googles.
And I found it ! And I understood why I was mixing it with Empire States Building.
And I was also happy to find out that this building is important to many other people And I was also happy to see it the screen and know it was not a dream... I really was there one day in the past...
Vivian

ablarc
February 18th, 2006, 11:40 PM
^ Touching.

v_yazigi
February 20th, 2006, 10:46 PM
My name is Vivian and I´m 53 years old
I´m Brazilian and I live in Brazil
My father has lived in NY City during all his life till 1983 when he passed away.
His office was at 500 Fifth Avenue
When I was 15 years old my father sent me a ticket and said: Now you´re going to know the United States.
The first place he took me when I arrived in the USA was the building of his office: 500 Fifth Avenue,
My father was very proud of his office and he just lOVED the building and the city.
I visited New York three more times and I spent long time at my father´s office.
After he died I didn´t return to the USA;
Sometimes I tried to picture in my mind the building of his office and the image that came to me was of the Empire State Building. And I thought to myself : Why The Empire State Building come to my mind when I want to remember the 500 Hundred Fifth Avenue building?
Now I understand. The same architect built both buildings ! They are similar !
After all those years they look so similar to me !
When I found out this site I read the same architect built both buildings.
It was a great pleasure to see the picture of the building !
I miss New York !
I´m happy to know that this building means a lot to other people, too
. It´s good to know it was not a dream... I really was there one day in the past...
Vivian

Alonzo-ny
February 21st, 2006, 09:41 AM
here it is

Comelade
February 21st, 2006, 10:41 AM
With Local Live Windows

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/7100/5005thave2jb.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9840/5005thave24yx.jpg

MidtownGuy
February 21st, 2006, 12:01 PM
Oi Vivian!
Todo Bem?

v_yazigi
February 21st, 2006, 12:53 PM
Tudo bem

v_yazigi
February 21st, 2006, 12:54 PM
Tudo bem !

Where did you learn Portuguese?

MidtownGuy
February 21st, 2006, 01:09 PM
Eu estava em Rio e em Sao Paolo o ano passado para o Carnival. Eu permaneci 3 semanas e aprendi um pouco portuguese porque falo o espanhol e é muito similar. Eu amo Brasil.

Boa vinda ao forum.

MidtownGuy
February 21st, 2006, 01:19 PM
I took this picture last week. I love this building.

http://static.flickr.com/39/102658523_33011dbf60_b.jpg

MidtownGuy
February 21st, 2006, 01:26 PM
another

http://static.flickr.com/43/102660540_1e23393f42_b.jpg

Fabrizio
February 21st, 2006, 02:05 PM
Midtown: Those are beautiful photos... I love seeing NYC filtered through the right cuts and angles so it´s pre-WWII beauty is focused. Ah ...brick and limestone!

MidtownGuy
February 21st, 2006, 05:28 PM
Thanks, Fabrizio!

Bob
February 23rd, 2006, 09:11 PM
Count me in as a fan of limestone...the quintessential building exterior for NYC. (Try to imagine Rockefeller Center clad in anything else.)

MidtownGuy
February 23rd, 2006, 10:13 PM
gotta love it!

TLOZ Link5
February 23rd, 2006, 10:45 PM
Count me in as a fan of limestone...the quintessential building exterior for NYC. (Try to imagine Rockefeller Center clad in anything else.)

According to Delirious New York, the debate over what to clad Rock Center in was pretty fierce. At one point, Raymond Hood (half-jokingly) suggested that they use corrugated metal. http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/images/icons/icon11.gif

czsz
February 23rd, 2006, 11:08 PM
Cut to now: Renzo Piano suggests the Times building exterior look like corrugated metal. Everyone praises it, thinks it's a kickass idea!

O tempora, o mores.

antinimby
February 23rd, 2006, 11:27 PM
Eu estava em Rio e em Sao Paolo o ano passado para o Carnival. Eu permaneci 3 semanas e aprendi um pouco portuguese porque falo o espanhol e é muito similar. Eu amo Brasil.

Boa vinda ao forum.Translated into English:

"I was in Rio and Sao Paolo last year for Carnival. I stayed 3 weeks and learned some Portuguese because I speak Spanish and they are very similar. I love Brazil.

Welcome to the forum."

How was that? BTW, I don't speak Portuguese but thought I'd have some fun with my high school-level Spanish.

antinimby
February 23rd, 2006, 11:35 PM
limestone...the quintessential building exterior for NYC. (Try to imagine Rockefeller Center clad in anything else.)Nah, I have to say that would be red brick. I think this city overdoes it with the bricks, to the point of ad nauseam.

czsz
February 24th, 2006, 12:01 AM
Have you ever been to Boston?

http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/userpages/students/Artur_Adib/pics/boston05/boston05-Images/28.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2004/05/20/1085087634_5854.jpg

TLOZ Link5
February 24th, 2006, 02:25 PM
^^

Sweet merciful gods, my poor useless eyes!

:D

kz1000ps
February 25th, 2006, 07:54 PM
Not that Boston needs any more visual evidence of the prevalence of red brick, but I've always found this building (in East Cambridge) interesting, almost jarring, for I've never seen columns made of this material, especially on such a grand scale. Compared to the same classical facade done in marble or limestone, this one has a real weight and hulkiness to it in person. I believe it's a county court building or something...

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6453/redbrick0yn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ArchiveNYC
May 13th, 2006, 08:12 PM
http://f5.putfile.com/5/13219104758.jpg

http://f5.putfile.com/5/13219113653.jpg

ArchiveNYC
July 7th, 2006, 01:24 AM
I am curious to know why the first post says the building is 58 stories, but Edward's post that has the link to the building says the building is 60 stories. Finding a good picture where I can count the floors is kind of hard. I'm only curious because I may land myself an internship on the 57th floor of this building, and I'd kind of like to see where it is on here. Not very important, but just out of curiousity. Does anyone have pictures of inside this building? Is this a building that just anyone can walk in to?

ArchiveNYC
July 7th, 2006, 01:33 AM
I am curious to know why the first post says the building is 58 stories, but Edward's post that has the link to the building says the building is 60 stories. Finding a good picture where I can count the floors is kind of hard. I'm only curious because I may land myself an internship on the 57th floor of this building, and I'd kind of like to see where it is on here. Not very important, but just out of curiousity. Does anyone have pictures of inside this building? Is this a building that just anyone can walk in to?

ok, I just counted and marked every 10 windows a different color to make it easier to see. There are 57 floors, so why does Edward's link in his post say 60 stories? Does that include the gray area at the top with no windows? And wow... if I do get this internship... I'll be working on the top floor then!!! w00t! Since it's the 5th tallest building in Manhattan, I'll make sure to take some awesome photos for everyone if I do get this job.

http://f10.putfile.com/7/18700312611.jpg

Luca
July 7th, 2006, 03:24 AM
Funny, but I remember being impressed by that buildign the first time I visited NYC in 1979. I recall thinking, "this building, in most other cities, would be a major LANDMARK" and yet you could not find it on any tourist guide at all...

Whatta town!

ManhattanKnight
July 7th, 2006, 07:12 AM
Spotting this thread today reminded me of the day many years ago when I emerged at lunchtime from my office building at 52nd and Madison and saw nearly everyone staring and pointing up at the top of 500 Fifth, which was spectacularly ablaze. The last time that I recalled that event before today was, of course, 9/11. Google found this Times report (unfortunately without the photos that originally accompanied it):


SKYSCRAPER FIRE SHOWERS MIDTOWN AREA WITH DEBRIS

By MATTHEW L. WALD (NYT) 387 words
Published: November 7, 1984


An air-conditioning tower exploded and burned atop a midtown skyscraper yesterday afternoon, showering the intersection of Fifth Avenue and 42d Street with debris that injured two pedestrians slightly and forced the closing of both roadways.

Officials said the fire caused little damage to the 58-story building, 500 Fifth Avenue, which is at the northwest corner of the intersection.

The blaze was touched off by workmen cutting or welding on the roof of the building, according to Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Hovsepian. The fire was ''spectacular on the outside,'' he said, with flames and smoke billowing as the wood and tar paper of the boxlike tower burned and fell to the street during the lunch hour.

Through the afternoon and early evening fire officials kept predicting, then postponing, when it would be safe to reopen the streets, from which buses were rerouted.

According to Samuel I. Schwartz, the city's deputy transportation commissioner, the effect on midtown of the streets being closed was reduced because traffic volume was lighter on Election Day. ''We've been able to contain it,'' he said. ''Another day, in a similar situation, we could have had gridlock.''

Chief Hovsepian said: ''The fire wasn't serious in itself. Our biggest problem was they self-evacuated the building, and it wasn't necessary to vacate more than the top two floors.'' The flood of office workers into the lobby made it difficult for firefighters to gain control of the elevators, he said.
''I need a new pair of knees.'' said Milton Ruiz, an accountant, who said he had walked from his office on the 39th floor.

Outside the building, police officers on horseback tried to clear the streets while other officers drove squad cars onto the sidewalks to keep pedestrians away from the falling debris, which fluttered hundreds of feet in the breeze.

The police tried to clear Fifth Avenue from 41st to 43d Street and 42d Street from Vanderbilt Avenue to the middle of the block west of Fifth Avenue. But people continued to emerge from stores and offices, huddling under awnings. Two people were taken to Bellevue Hospital with minor injuries, according to a hospital official. A 14-year-old, Jason Millard, standing at 43d Street and Fifth Avenue, was selling debris for $2 ''if a tourist wants it.''


Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

Zyada
August 16th, 2006, 11:38 AM
I was directed to this thread when asking about a photo that I took in my recent trip to NYC. I thought y'all might like to see my photo of this building:

http://static.flickr.com/92/213644411_0086faff6e.jpg

Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zyada/213644411/

stache
August 16th, 2006, 12:39 PM
Excellent!

ablarc
August 16th, 2006, 12:40 PM
^ Very, very nice photo.

kz1000ps
August 16th, 2006, 02:35 PM
Two proud and resolute objects together - very fitting.

ZippyTheChimp
March 12th, 2007, 10:24 AM
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9590/5005ave03ts5.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5005ave03ts5.jpg)

Scraperfannyc
March 12th, 2007, 12:13 PM
Jason Millard, standing at 43d Street and Fifth Avenue, was selling debris for $2 ''if a tourist wants it.''

If you can't afford Manhattan real estate, this is one way to get it.

Alonzo-ny
March 12th, 2007, 02:31 PM
... I'll be working on the top floor then!!! w00t! Since it's the 5th tallest building in Manhattan,

34th apparently http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/

BrooklynRider
March 16th, 2007, 12:06 AM
This building deserves a classic spire or crown.

macreator
June 3rd, 2007, 11:38 PM
This building deserves a classic spire or crown.

Indeed. And, as somebody noted earlier in this thread, setback lighting. Such a beautiful building. So well proportioned. Doesn't anybody know if it is landmarked?

MidtownGuy
June 4th, 2007, 12:37 AM
Lighting like that on this building would be great! It's undergoing renovations, maybe they will consider that. Standing in Bryant Park after dark would be quite a sight when you add that plus the "light closet" on BOA.

DarrylStrawberry
September 29th, 2007, 12:39 PM
A Businesslike Tower, Overshadowed by a Famous Sibling

By CHRISTOPHER GRAY (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=CHRISTOPHER GRAY&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=CHRISTOPHER GRAY&inline=nyt-per)
Published: September 30, 2007

THE soaring lines and Art Deco details of 500 Fifth Avenue, at 42nd Street, make it a mismatched 60-story bookend to the similarly styled Empire State Building (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/e/empire_state_building/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) eight blocks south. Both completed in 1931, they were designed by Shreve, Lamb & Harmon with the businesslike economy typical of the firm, which valued efficiency as much as aesthetics.

Richmond H. Shreve and William F. Lamb were working for the elite Beaux-Arts firm Carrère & Hastings in the early 1920s, and were an essential part of its expansion into commercial design, as in their 1921 Fisk Building, at 250 West 57th Street, between Broadway and Eighth Avenue.

...

Full text at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/realestate/30scap.html

NoyokA
September 29th, 2007, 03:10 PM
The practice changed hands several times until November 1995 — when, according to Donald Grossman, an architect there since 1971 and by then an owner — it shut down.

“We were no longer being called in for our expertise,” he said. “It was just, ‘Give us your price.’ It wasn’t fun anymore.”

That could have all to do with there designs of 3 Park Avenue, 130 Liberty Street, 1250 Broadway, 475 Park Avenue South, 245 Park Avenue, and 280 Park Avenue, all disgusting designs that put the original designers of the Empire State Building, 500 Fifth Avenue, and other great buildings to shame.

Visionist
November 10th, 2009, 08:12 AM
Some lighting going all the way up those dark shafts would attract a lot of attention at night.

Or panoramic elevators! :cool:

Derek2k3
March 6th, 2011, 05:37 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5134/5487988553_6b673af5d6_b.jpg
chrisk1982 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisk1982/5487988553/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

O how I wish they'd floodlight this beauty