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Edward
January 17th, 2002, 01:49 PM
The Victory (http://wirednewyork.com/real_estate/the-victory/)

501 West 41st Street

Floors: 45
Construction will be completed in 2002
Height: 462 ft (141 m)
Architects: Schuman, Lichtenstein, Claman & Efron


The view of The Victory (http://wirednewyork.com/real_estate/the-victory/) in January of 2002.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/victory/victory_apartments_nikola_12jan02.jpg



The view of The Victory (http://wirednewyork.com/real_estate/the-victory/) from 41st Street in January of 2002.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/victory/victory_apartments_tenth.jpg



The view of The Victory (http://wirednewyork.com/real_estate/the-victory/) from 33rd Street. World Wide Plaza on the right, and Jacob Javits convention center on the left.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/victory/victory_javits.jpg

MikeV
January 17th, 2002, 10:42 PM
Nice photos. *Thanks for the updates.

Edward
January 21st, 2002, 12:05 AM
The view of The Victory (http://wirednewyork.com/real_estate/the-victory/) and The Croatian Roman Catholic Church of St. Nicholas Tavelic from 420 West 42nd (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/420w42nd/) rental apartment building.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/victory/victory_apartments_zebra.jpg

Derek2k3
January 21st, 2002, 06:26 PM
Nice photos as usual. It looks taller than it actually is. I also like this buildng cause it isn't brown like most of the other residential buildings on West 42nd and vicinity. (excluding River Place)

http://images.fotki.com/free/404e/3/39399/81367/VictoryApartments2-vi.jpg?1011651772

redbrick
January 27th, 2002, 08:28 PM
What church is that?

Edward
January 27th, 2002, 09:37 PM
The Croatian Roman Catholic Church of St. Nicholas Tavelic.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/victory/victory_apartments_nikola.jpg

Edward
January 17th, 2003, 09:14 PM
The view of Theater Row neighborhood and The Victory (http://wirednewyork.com/real_estate/the-victory/) from 86th floor observatory of the Empire State Building (http://www.wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/) in March of 2002.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/victory/victory_apartments_esb_23march02.jpg

Edward
January 17th, 2003, 09:22 PM
The building's website is at TheVictory.com (http://www.thevictory.com)

chris
January 18th, 2003, 02:54 AM
Quote: from Derek2k3 on 5:26 pm on Jan. 21, 2002
Nice photos as usual. It looks taller than it actually is. I also like this buildng cause it isn't brown like most of the other residential buildings on West 42nd and vicinity. (excluding River Place)

You mean red brick? Yes, I agree completely!

The way things were going I feared the beautiful midtown skyline was going to be ruined by a wall of bland red brick shoe box apartment highrises completely obstructing the view of the Time Square are viewed from the West. It looked as though, in a few years the area could look like a new version of the lower east side.

JerzDevl2000
January 18th, 2003, 03:45 AM
The pics are great, but too bad this building isn't. It's bland, like most of the apartment towers popping up on the West Side. I am looking forward to RiverPlace II to commence. Any news on groundbreaking?

amigo32
January 18th, 2003, 04:14 AM
Yea, I agree the pics are great. *Bland or not it makes me envious, wish we had more buildings of that height here.

Fabb
January 18th, 2003, 07:34 AM
The neighborhood still lacks density. I wish there was more a mix of activities.
A couple of tall office buildings for instance.
Why not a nice park instead of all those parking lots ?
So far, it looks suburban.

amigo32
January 18th, 2003, 08:04 AM
Suburban? That last pic is so representative of many major downtown areas.

Kris
January 18th, 2003, 10:35 AM
Well, that's a problem with America and its sprawl. "Underutilized" is a more appropriate word however.

TLOZ Link5
January 18th, 2003, 02:42 PM
The name of the project kinda spooks me, and for obvious reasons if you've read 1984.

Bah...maybe I just think too much. :angry:

yanni111
January 18th, 2003, 02:58 PM
when i was a child i used to go to that church since im half Croatian. Back when Hell's Kitchen was a true high crime hellish neighborhood many new immigrant's from Croatia ended up living there so they had enough of a population to base a church there.

chris
January 19th, 2003, 03:17 AM
yanni, this is my neighborhood.

That's just the sort of local history I love to learn about.
thanks

amigo32
January 19th, 2003, 05:33 AM
Yea, *that is cool yanni! * *Neighborhood information is so often lost through time, because nobody even tries to document or remember. *Neighborhoods are such great cultural treasures! *It is a shame that people usually won't realize this in the present.

amigo32
January 19th, 2003, 06:16 AM
Quote: from Christian Wieland on 9:35 am on Jan. 18, 2003
Well, that's a problem with America and its sprawl. "Underutilized" is a more appropriate word however.


Is Europe jealous of our sprawl? * The fact that we can sprawl?

Kris
January 19th, 2003, 06:42 AM
I highly doubt it. What is to be envied about it?

Fabb
January 19th, 2003, 07:53 AM
What do you mean amigo ?
You think Europe can't sprawl ?
Europe can.

I don't know why I'm saying that. A reflex.

Kris
January 19th, 2003, 07:59 AM
Yeah, but it isn't nearly as severe.

amigo32
January 19th, 2003, 09:35 PM
I didn't mean anything by it. *I guess that I was just reflecting on how relatively young America's cities are. How some are still in growing pains and others are constantly reinventing themselves. *I don't know if European cities experience the same things, do they?

Eugenius
January 21st, 2003, 02:00 PM
Quote: from TLOZ Link5 on 1:42 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
The name of the project kinda spooks me, and for obvious reasons if you've read 1984.

Bah...maybe I just think too much. :angry:
You are absolutely right. *I am surprised that the association with Orwell didn't get them to change the name. *But you know those Americans; it's all TV and videogames. *No one reads anymore...

TLOZ Link5
January 21st, 2003, 06:06 PM
ROFL, Eugenius.

yanni111
January 22nd, 2003, 05:56 PM
chris and amigo, heres some more info i got from my grandma. she told me that the church wasnt always officially a Croatian Catholic church. They always had a large population of Croatian people who would go there along with Irish and other immigrants, about 40 years ago a Croatian community group bought control of the church and since then mass was held in english and croatian. She also said that her grandfather first came here in 1907 and worked at a milk distribution warehouse in the neighborhood where milk would be brought in from farms on long island. He would then load the milk up on a horse and carriage and deliver it, an old style milkman!! My grandfather's father also came here around that time and worked in that same business. They both would stay here for a few years making money, sending some back to their families to support and then would go back to visit them and come back here again for work. Our family comes from a tiny island in the Adriatic Sea called Olib with a population of a few hundred where there was basically no work of any kind so they had to come to NYC for work. My grandma said that when her grandfather would come back to visit her he would always say "how dirty some of the Irish were and how they would wear the same dirty clothes until they fell off" ahh the mix of immigrants clashing :)

billyblancoNYC
January 22nd, 2003, 06:20 PM
I actually admire the (apparent) fact that Europe is more "city-focued" than America is. *This suburban trend is distrubing to me. *I don't really like it.

Oh well, what can you do. *Americans will always search the country, for less densely populated areas, then densely populate them, I guess.

amigo32
January 23rd, 2003, 12:53 AM
I love hearing about that kind of NY history. These stories are fascinating to me, I appreciate your sharing that information, if you have any more, feel free to post it. *I am a self-acknowledged history fanatic. *Thanks alot Yanni! *:)


Billyblanco, it is a nice point, but it is inevitable, I can't really say that it is a bad thing, as it adds to a metro area. I dislike when they do it in strictly rural areas, but psuedo-rural areas, I feel no sympathy. *


(Edited by amigo32 at 4:14 am on Jan. 23, 2003)

Edward
February 21st, 2003, 02:40 AM
The floor plan of the J-line 2-bedroom apartment at The Victory, Hudson River views from master bedroom and living room, uptown view from living room, downtown view from master and guest bedrooms.
The floor plan of the D-line 2-bedroom apartment at The Victory. Floor-to-ceiling windows.

JerzDevl2000
February 21st, 2003, 02:45 AM
Man, what I wouldn't give to see that last shot in person!

Thanx for the pics Edward. Is this tower fully open yet?

Derek2k3
January 4th, 2007, 03:18 AM
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ablarc
January 4th, 2007, 08:17 AM
^ Parkinglotland. Still a grim part of town. And the new towers are part of the grimness. Why won't they do better?

pianoman11686
January 4th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Art imitating life?

Fahzee
January 4th, 2007, 07:55 PM
I always feel bad for that (not so) little church. It looks like its going to collapse into the surrounding roadway

Derek2k3
January 4th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Here's an article from June 2004 about the church and encroaching high-rises.

Daily News...

It's a pain in the glass
BY JOSE MARTINEZ

Big plans for the far West Side could mean lights out for St. Raphael's Church.

The elegant, stained-glass windows inside the Catholic church on W. 41st St. could be cast with long shadows if three planned buildings - including a 500-foot apartment tower - are built as part of the area's redevelopment.

"In Europe, the city usually builds some kind of square next to the church," said the Rev. Ivica Majstorovic, the church's pastor. "Not in Manhattan, I guess."

According to a new city Planning Department study, the church and the James A. Farley Post Office building on Eighth Ave. are the two buildings within the 360-block development zone that will face significant shadowing from new construction.

At St. Raphael's, a 90-year-old neo-Gothic church catering to New York's Croatian community, that translates to brilliant stained-glass portraits of Jesus and the 12 Apostles going dark.

"When the sun hits, you can see their reflection on the floor," Majstorovic said.

Sunlight to several of the stained-glass panels already is obscured by the church's five-story rectory next door. But new towers would cloak the windows with several more hours of shadow.

"We would need to get some new lights in here," Majstorovic said.

Opened in 1914, the 10th Ave. church has been home to the Irish and Italian Catholics of Hell's Kitchen, whose names are reflected in memorials on the stained-glass panels. Now, most of the parishioners are Croatian-American and the church is formally known as Sts. Cyril and Methodius and St. Raphael's.

"We who inherited this church love it so much," Majstorovic said. "Imagine how those people who built this must feel."

The city hopes the massive redevelopment plan will bring a football stadium, an expanded Javits Center, 12,000 housing units and 100,000 new jobs to a long-moribund district.

"This just has phenomenal potential for securing the future of the city," Rachaele Raynoff, a Planning Department spokeswoman.

Majstorovic said he appreciates the city's efforts on the far West Side, while acknowledging there are "pluses and minuses" with all the hoped-for construction.

He said he originally feared the redevelopment could close the church, but now he worries more about subway construction and lost light through the stained glass. "That's just the way it goes," he said. "I don't think that anybody can stop it."

ablarc
January 4th, 2007, 10:49 PM
"That's just the way it goes," he said. "I don't think that anybody can stop it."
How about the power of prayer?

Sounds more Hindu than Christian.

lofter1
January 4th, 2007, 11:01 PM
"I don't think that anybody can stop it."

Sounds to me like a pragmatic NYer :cool: