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February 3rd, 2002, 01:31 AM
February 2nd pictures of 425 Fifth Avenue (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/default.htm)



February 3rd, 2002, 03:11 AM
That old, ornate building needs a renovation.
Is there a projected date for the completion of 425, 5th ?

January 27th, 2003, 11:16 PM
The view of 425 Fifth Avenue (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/default.htm) from Empire State Building (http://www.wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/default.htm) Observatory on 23 March 2002.


January 27th, 2003, 11:26 PM
The view of 425 Fifth Avenue (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/default.htm) across Bryant Park with American Radiator Building (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/american_radiator_building/default.htm). 6 April 2002.


Lit up crown of*425 Fifth Avenue (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/default.htm) and American Radiator Building (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/american_radiator_building/default.htm). 26 January 2003.


January 28th, 2003, 02:48 AM
Not a bad building, but I remember the ad's for it when it was first announced. It was supposed to be up there with ESB and Chrysler for visibility from Queens/N.J. and in terms of elegance and noteriety. It's a "pencil" to me, I think Michael Graves took over after Robert A.M. Stern pulled out. Seems to be 600 feet or so to me. 6/10 from what I can see so far...

Oh yeah, great pics Ed! Gotta love the shot with the old American Radiator building. I think ya can see the Atlas from Bryant Park too.

TLOZ Link5
January 28th, 2003, 05:36 PM
It's about 605 feet, 55 stories. *I'd wish it were a lot higher, but then again it's too slender and wouldn't make for a pleasing aesthetic effect if it were.

The shaft is very astylar; the white mullions are kinda reminiscent of the Daily News building. *And why is there no crown? *The renderings show it with a crown.

January 28th, 2003, 05:47 PM
With the crown it would've been 695 feet. Last minute design change.

January 28th, 2003, 10:08 PM
I think it look okay without the crown.

January 29th, 2003, 10:10 AM
An incredible disappointment that didn't live up to the hype. *I think it fails. *Two thumbs down.

Bennie B
March 4th, 2003, 12:12 PM
Great photos Edward. *(They turned up 2-6 in a Google search.) *I think the beige limestone IS a little disappointing-- polished black and white granite might have been more impressive-- and the entrances are kind of bland, like some earnest co-op. *But the setbacks and flutes are awesome. *It fits Fifth Avenue a helluva lot better than those SOM legos behind it.

March 4th, 2003, 12:29 PM
I agree. Also, it's narrow shaft looks nice from far away. It's when you get close that the blue, white, and yellow stripes start to look a little cheesy, almost unfinished. Maybe it is? Anyway, it doesn't match the renderings - surprise, surprise.

TLOZ Link5
March 4th, 2003, 06:15 PM
Few buildings ever look better than their renderings, Knight. *They could gloss over 55 Water Street and make it look presentable in a rendering.

March 4th, 2003, 09:05 PM
One of the most upsetting buildings is the CIBC building. It's rendering looked great.

March 11th, 2003, 10:56 AM
425 5th Avenue on March 9, 2003


The base



Closer look up top


March 11th, 2003, 12:17 PM
I hate to be repetiticous but can't see your images NyatKnight...

(Edited by diVinci at 12:21 pm on Mar. 11, 2003)

March 11th, 2003, 01:10 PM
I put these photos on imagestation.com and about 30 seconds later I got a message saying the site is temporarily down - my luck. If they aren't up later I'll use a different host site.

March 11th, 2003, 03:51 PM
A little too playful for my taste.

March 11th, 2003, 04:23 PM
Let's see...

The facade is plain yet somehow clashes with itself. It lacks subtlety. Although I generally like setbacks, the massing is unbalanced and seems to work against the window pattern.

Not a bad building but nothing particularly special IMO.

March 11th, 2003, 06:40 PM
Agreed, lacks refinement. I believe the medium is crayon actually...

March 11th, 2003, 07:01 PM
I, like the others, can now see the photos...very nice.

I agree w/ you both Stern and JMGarcia. *The white vertical lines are too stark...should be a "softer" complimentary color that blends more with the yellow. *I still like the building's shape, setbacks, style but not its color scheme or detailing that would make it a "true Art Deco gem". *Still...much better than most of the other new apartment towers.

(Edited by diVinci at 7:03 pm on Mar. 11, 2003)

March 11th, 2003, 08:32 PM
I'm just relieved they dropped the first design, even more ungainly and stiff.

I disagree that renderings generally look better than the buildings they represent. It's true they embellish but reality is always richer and more interesting, even when it's ugly.

March 11th, 2003, 08:40 PM
It depends. There are some cases when the reality is a complete letdown and completely uninteresting, and has been severely glamorized in the rendering.

As for this building, in general I like it. I never agreed with the yellow. But it has some vertical thrust. Also, it's noticeable on the skyline from many angles.

March 11th, 2003, 08:55 PM
The problem (with an overall pretty good building) is the wraparound windows. Developers want them, of course, because they look great from the inside. But from the outside they look bland and deprive the facade of depth. I don't know of anyone who has solved this.

I think the yellow is fine, and the slenderness of the building is excellent.

March 11th, 2003, 09:11 PM
I'm just relieved they dropped the first design, even more ungainly and stiff.

I disagree that renderings generally look better than the buildings they represent. It's true they embellish but reality is always richer and more interesting, even when it's ugly.

My complaint is the heavy-handed postmodernism that Graves is (most of his buildings are fat, a postmodern trait itself). Robert Stern is another postmodernism but he uses Art Deco refinements? Which here is better suited for such slender proportions.

Bennie B
March 12th, 2003, 04:05 AM
Super pics NYatKNIGHT, especially that first one. *It's really coming along, isn't it? *It looks like Graves did his usual Po-Mo thing with the lower floors, making them all flat and two-dimensional, and those glazed corners look a little chilly, but otherwise it's not a bad knock-off of the Rock! *(heh)

Stern, "playful" is the word for those Montessori-school colors, for sure. *But give 'em a little weather and they'll tone down.

(Edited by Bennie B at 7:51 am on April 14, 2003)

March 12th, 2003, 09:26 AM
If its clad with stone, then maybe.

Its prominent features and bold colors should give it a stronger pressence though, god knows its height doesnt.

Bennie B
April 14th, 2003, 04:29 PM
I wonder if each unit will come equipped with a Michael Graves Beechwood Banana Hanger?


Or even more essentially, a Michael Graves Wood Handle Feather Duster?


And let's not forget the Michael Graves Indoor Retractable Clotheslines!


September 11th, 2003, 08:45 PM
Photos by Daniel8ty8.


TLOZ Link5
September 12th, 2003, 12:45 AM
Postmodernism is still predominant in residential construction. Its height, though, is very impressive. This is what, the third-, fourth-tallest apartment building in New York?

September 12th, 2003, 02:56 AM
No. It's actually the seventh tallest.

1. TWT
2. Metropolitan Tower
3. Trump Tower
4. Museum Tower
5. Central Park Place
6. Trump Palace Condominiums

September 12th, 2003, 09:39 AM
What about mixed use? AOL and Bloomie will be taller, but it's not 100% residential.

September 12th, 2003, 11:42 AM
425 Fifth Avenue, in addition has a few floors of commercial space.

September 16th, 2003, 06:46 PM
does anyone have the original plans for this building?

February 2nd, 2004, 05:04 PM
Nearly finished now:


TLOZ Link5
February 2nd, 2004, 08:29 PM
Not bad at all.

February 2nd, 2004, 09:18 PM
Yet, it ain't all it was cracked up to be.

TLOZ Link5
February 2nd, 2004, 10:23 PM
Yet, it ain't all it was cracked up to be.

Agreed. "One of the Three Sisters" my foot. But it's a nice apartment tower nonetheless, and better than average in that genre. I give it a 7/10.

February 3rd, 2004, 08:13 PM
There are multiple retail floors?

December 13th, 2004, 08:45 PM
425 Fifth Avenue (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/). December 2004.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/images/425fifth.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/)

December 13th, 2004, 08:46 PM
Well, it definitely has a presence...

December 13th, 2004, 09:05 PM
I really like those protruding vertical mullions. I rather like some of the indulgences POMO has to offer.

December 13th, 2004, 09:13 PM
I like it.

TLOZ Link5
December 13th, 2004, 11:32 PM
I rilly liek ziss ahchitekshur... ::cocks head to the side::

Errr, private joke. My Elements of Architecture professor, has (had, since today was the last day of class) a really thick German accent and would cock his head to one side whenever he was examining a studio project in class. He'd say something like "I rilly liek it. It's not rilly wot I ahsked for, but it's nice just ze sehm."

In fact, I just found out today that my professor is Matthias Neumann, as in the guy who collaborated for the design of the "Lower Waters" proposal for the WTC memorial. Quite cool that whenever we had discussions in class, he never tooted his own horn.

December 15th, 2004, 06:55 PM
I see art deco, here. The massing is the first hint. But -- how to be more specific about that broad brush? Is it dictator deco? Nope; not enough limestone and bas relief. Is it Miami deco? Not on this scale, it isn't. Is it zig zag deco? Well, despite the wraparound window similarity to the Chrysler, I don't see any zig zags anywhere. Is it moderne? Nah...not enough curves. I suspect I'll have to paint with a broader brush and settle with calling this "postmoderne deco." (with an "e")

December 15th, 2004, 06:56 PM
Come to think of it: doesn't the Fuller Building look a lot like this?

TLOZ Link5
December 15th, 2004, 09:49 PM
Come to think of it: doesn't the Fuller Building look a lot like this?

Hmmmm...good call.

September 11th, 2011, 03:24 PM
A look inside: the video with 'fisheye lens' distortion somehow 'works'. Bella Cucina! Great Big Windows! (http://www.blinds.com/) - and a plug for www.blinds.com

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=oB5AV-vh95s)This one also good: standard lens - great 'coldplay' sound track - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCjL7xRiOA0&feature=related