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ddny
October 13th, 2002, 04:08 PM
Architect: Kohn Pedersen Fox

Year: 1988

Style: Postmodern

Description: A relatively unknown building. In my opinion, the building is another great postmodern design by Kohn Pederson Fox, who is perhaps the best corporate architect for modern-day New York.

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NoyokA
October 13th, 2002, 05:22 PM
This building is very corporate, its not as much of a relief as KPF had envisioned. I dont care for the facade collage, its nauseating, and complicated, one is successful IMO.

Fabb
April 15th, 2003, 06:35 PM
Unknown ?
I don't think so. It was made famous by Spiderman, the movie.

Zoe
April 15th, 2003, 06:56 PM
I have always liked the roundness to the front. *A relief from all of the boxes in NY.

Bennie B
April 15th, 2003, 07:44 PM
Perfect shot!
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/DennDlm/135east57/135eastfiftyseven_main6.jpg
They're really good with those classical touches. *They built a 21-story granite tower in L.A. (1000 Wilshire) that is not the highest but is definitely one of the classiest in town:
http://skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/5/2003/01/177549.jpg

http://www.loeb.com/FSL5CS/UploadedImages/loc_la.jpg

Bk Italian 123
April 15th, 2003, 09:47 PM
That building is really tight. it is slammin.. the curve, it is a beauty!

Kris
April 15th, 2003, 10:02 PM
The LA ones are pure kitsch. NY's isn't far from it.

dbhstockton
April 15th, 2003, 11:04 PM
You can say what you will about the design, but I can't accept the slapdash quality of the masonry. *This is why I hate so many post-modern buildings. *Modern construction methods produce masonry walls that are just painful to look at. *

Like most buildings of its type, this is not precise work. *There is a total lack of subtlety or refinement, both in design and in construction.

Take a good look at a respectible pre-war masonry wall. *The first impression is of the overall sculptural form the architect was suggesting. *You have to look closely to see the joints in the masonry.

Now look at this heap. *You can see the joints in the masonry from blocks away, probably even from Queens. *Moreover, the surface of the wall buckles and ripples slightly, producing anything but the crisp lines of a well-executed masonry building. *

This is a widespread problem in construction and it causes me much anguish. *Alas, there is no economically feasible solution in sight. *This is just the way things are done. *This is why I like to see as much glass and steel as possible in new skyscrapers.

Bennie B
April 15th, 2003, 11:08 PM
Striking, yes, kitschy, no--no cheap tricks or gimmicks. *And the masonry is superb. *Have you seen it?

NoyokA
April 15th, 2003, 11:40 PM
Yes, I was in LA recently. This building is kitsch, slapdash, all of the above, and soo much worse.

chris
April 16th, 2003, 12:25 AM
I'm fond of much of KPF's work, but I could do without this one.
It doesn't live up to your photography.

Bennie B
April 16th, 2003, 08:49 AM
Thanks Chris, I wish those were my pics. *Stern you'd probably think the Palace of Versailles needed glass curtain walls! *(heh) *;)

ZippyTheChimp
April 16th, 2003, 08:53 AM
Real masonry

http://www.pbase.com/image/15425429.jpg

NoyokA
April 16th, 2003, 11:25 AM
lol Bennie, Im a huge fan of modern architecture.

OKoranjes
April 16th, 2003, 11:51 AM
It is sad that the term "corporate" means unimagineative and uninspiring. *O that corporate could conjure images of truly great architecture.

dbhstockton
April 16th, 2003, 12:46 PM
Yes it is. *Just think, at one point "corporate" architecture meant the Chrysler building, or the Woolworth building, and on and on...

Bennie B
April 16th, 2003, 11:08 PM
Quote: from dbhstockton on 11:46 am on April 16, 2003

Just think, at one point "corporate" architecture meant the Chrysler building, or the Woolworth building, and on and on. . . .
Crimson Permanent Assurance buildings of the world, rise up and throw off your multinational-corporate-takeover-conglomerated masters!
http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/images/90west_130liberty_26jan02.jpg

You have nothing to lose but your chains!

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Images/building2.jpg

And so the Crimson Permanent Assurance was launched upon the high seas of international finance.

And that's the Meaning of Life, folks!

Bennie B
April 17th, 2003, 12:37 AM
Chris, you were probably talking about ddny's pics, and you're right, no building could do justice to his photography, or to yours! *But 1000 Wilshire really is a good building-- it would be good even if the stonework were fake, which I originally thought it was, but it's made out of these big sparkly blocks of granite-- almost like terrazzo with a lot of mica in it-- and the joints (for example in the outdoor staircase leading up from Wilshire to the plaza) are perfect. *It's impresssive.