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October 13th, 2002, 03:08 PM
Architect: Kohn Pedersen Fox

Year: 1988

Style: Postmodern

Description: A relatively unknown building. In my opinion, the building is another great postmodern design by Kohn Pederson Fox, who is perhaps the best corporate architect for modern-day New York.











October 13th, 2002, 04:22 PM
This building is very corporate, its not as much of a relief as KPF had envisioned. I dont care for the facade collage, its nauseating, and complicated, one is successful IMO.

April 15th, 2003, 05:35 PM
Unknown ?
I don't think so. It was made famous by Spiderman, the movie.

April 15th, 2003, 05:56 PM
I have always liked the roundness to the front. *A relief from all of the boxes in NY.

Bennie B
April 15th, 2003, 06:44 PM
Perfect shot!
They're really good with those classical touches. *They built a 21-story granite tower in L.A. (1000 Wilshire) that is not the highest but is definitely one of the classiest in town:


Bk Italian 123
April 15th, 2003, 08:47 PM
That building is really tight. it is slammin.. the curve, it is a beauty!

April 15th, 2003, 09:02 PM
The LA ones are pure kitsch. NY's isn't far from it.

April 15th, 2003, 10:04 PM
You can say what you will about the design, but I can't accept the slapdash quality of the masonry. *This is why I hate so many post-modern buildings. *Modern construction methods produce masonry walls that are just painful to look at. *

Like most buildings of its type, this is not precise work. *There is a total lack of subtlety or refinement, both in design and in construction.

Take a good look at a respectible pre-war masonry wall. *The first impression is of the overall sculptural form the architect was suggesting. *You have to look closely to see the joints in the masonry.

Now look at this heap. *You can see the joints in the masonry from blocks away, probably even from Queens. *Moreover, the surface of the wall buckles and ripples slightly, producing anything but the crisp lines of a well-executed masonry building. *

This is a widespread problem in construction and it causes me much anguish. *Alas, there is no economically feasible solution in sight. *This is just the way things are done. *This is why I like to see as much glass and steel as possible in new skyscrapers.

Bennie B
April 15th, 2003, 10:08 PM
Striking, yes, kitschy, no--no cheap tricks or gimmicks. *And the masonry is superb. *Have you seen it?

April 15th, 2003, 10:40 PM
Yes, I was in LA recently. This building is kitsch, slapdash, all of the above, and soo much worse.

April 15th, 2003, 11:25 PM
I'm fond of much of KPF's work, but I could do without this one.
It doesn't live up to your photography.

Bennie B
April 16th, 2003, 07:49 AM
Thanks Chris, I wish those were my pics. *Stern you'd probably think the Palace of Versailles needed glass curtain walls! *(heh) *;)

April 16th, 2003, 07:53 AM
Real masonry


April 16th, 2003, 10:25 AM
lol Bennie, Im a huge fan of modern architecture.

April 16th, 2003, 10:51 AM
It is sad that the term "corporate" means unimagineative and uninspiring. *O that corporate could conjure images of truly great architecture.

April 16th, 2003, 11:46 AM
Yes it is. *Just think, at one point "corporate" architecture meant the Chrysler building, or the Woolworth building, and on and on...

Bennie B
April 16th, 2003, 10:08 PM
Quote: from dbhstockton on 11:46 am on April 16, 2003

Just think, at one point "corporate" architecture meant the Chrysler building, or the Woolworth building, and on and on. . . .
Crimson Permanent Assurance buildings of the world, rise up and throw off your multinational-corporate-takeover-conglomerated masters!

You have nothing to lose but your chains!


And so the Crimson Permanent Assurance was launched upon the high seas of international finance.

And that's the Meaning of Life, folks!

Bennie B
April 16th, 2003, 11:37 PM
Chris, you were probably talking about ddny's pics, and you're right, no building could do justice to his photography, or to yours! *But 1000 Wilshire really is a good building-- it would be good even if the stonework were fake, which I originally thought it was, but it's made out of these big sparkly blocks of granite-- almost like terrazzo with a lot of mica in it-- and the joints (for example in the outdoor staircase leading up from Wilshire to the plaza) are perfect. *It's impresssive.