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Derek2k3
November 26th, 2002, 04:45 PM
From: http://www.orthographics.com/pages/sites/501_Intranet/archives/archives.html

9-12 Barclay Street
http://images.fotki.com/v10/free/a0c2/3/39399/162597/912BarclayStreet7CostasKondylisPartners-or.jpg

Directors' Guild of America Tower
http://images.fotki.com/v11/free/a0c2/3/39399/162597/DirectorsGuildofAmerica3CostasKondylisAssociates-vi.jpg?1038342987 http://images.fotki.com/v11/free/a0c2/3/39399/162597/DirectorsGuildofAmerica2CostasKondylisAssociates-vi.jpg?1038343016

800 Sixth Avenue
http://images.fotki.com/v10/free/a0c2/3/39399/162597/800SixthAvenue1CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1038342773 http://images.fotki.com/v11/free/a0c2/3/39399/162597/800SixthAvenue2CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1038342329

Trump Place
http://images.fotki.com/v10/free/a0c2/3/39399/162597/TrumpPlace4CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1038343115


There are many more renderings of each one and other projects at the site (pdf's). I just don't want to get in trouble with Fotki again.





(Edited by Derek2k3 at 9:08 am on Nov. 28, 2002)

NoyokA
November 26th, 2002, 05:08 PM
thats a tall building near Woolworth.

Daniel8ty8
November 26th, 2002, 05:13 PM
Yeah, any chance of that getting built?

Gulcrapek
November 26th, 2002, 05:14 PM
The Barclay one is nasty

Is there any word on the DGA tower?

Fabb
November 26th, 2002, 05:22 PM
Where is the DGA tower supposed to be built ?
It's an interesting design, but the style is that of Houston or Seattle during the 80s.

TLOZ Link5
November 26th, 2002, 05:22 PM
How tall is the DGA Tower supposed to be? *And where is it?

NYC kid
November 26th, 2002, 05:51 PM
I kinda like the Barclay one. But the skin stinks. Directors' Guild of America Tower *is really cool. :D

(Edited by NYC kid at 4:54 pm on Nov. 26, 2002)

Jessica
November 26th, 2002, 06:07 PM
I like them all! *Build, build, build! *:)

Eugenius
November 26th, 2002, 07:25 PM
Are these renderings of proposed buildings? Or are some of these buildings ones that "never happened"? *I haven't heard of the Director's Guild proposal. *Is that something that is currently on the table?

ddny
November 26th, 2002, 09:37 PM
I hope 9-12 Barclay Street never gets built.

zilla
November 26th, 2002, 11:19 PM
I know the Directors' Guild of America as a theatre on w. 57th near 6th. Haven't been by there in months though.

Derek2k3
November 26th, 2002, 11:45 PM
9-12 Barclay should be built since it's residential. I counted 51 visible floors and probably about 10-15 floors are hidden and then the glass on top would make it around 70 stories. Also in the rendering the bldg. is behind Woolworth making it look smaller...I'm guess they're around the same height.

800 Sixth Avenue should start by the end of this year.


From the NYT:
"The Adell family was an early advocate of transition to residential use in the area, where it assembled three parcels and was instrumental in its rezoning. Matthew G. Adell, president of Adell, said he hoped to start construction by the end of the year on a rental building with up to 270 units on the third site, between 27th and 28th Streets, which his company will develop alone."


Here's the article on the Directors' Guild building that was posted awhile back. I counted about 50 floors though.

\http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=54


DIRECTORS GUILD TO BE LEVELED

By BRADEN KEIL *(NEW YORK POST)

February 14, 2002 -- The Directors Guild of America building is heading in a different direction: down.
Sources say the building at 110 W. 57th St. will be sold to the Athena Group, a developer of prime residential real estate, and will be demolished to make way for a 40-story mixed-use, full-service building.

Plans could include as many as 120 high-end condos, priced below $900 per square foot, and 100,000 square feet of commercial space.

"It is an area that is prime for residential use," says a broker familiar with the area.

"There are many restaurants; the park is just a short distance. You have The Park Imperial going up nearby, as well as the AOL Time Warner Center a few blocks from there."

The Athena Group, headed by Alfred Taubman's son-in-law, Louis Dubin, has already built full-floor condos at 838 Fifth Ave. and is now developing 25 to 30 condominiums at the new Liberty Building between 64th and 65th streets off Central Park West.

The units, designed by architect Costas Kondylis, will go for $1.5 million to more than $10 million.

The project also includes the addition of three to four more floors above the existing structure and creation of an interior courtyard.

Dubin wouldn't comment on the Directors Guild Building deal.

(Edited by Derek2k3 at 11:07 pm on Nov. 26, 2002)

Fabb
November 27th, 2002, 10:11 AM
will be demolished to make way for a 40-story mixed-use, full-service building.


The rendering of DGA has over 50 floors.

Eugenius
November 27th, 2002, 10:54 AM
I counted 51 floors. *Perhaps they are lowballing the number for the press in order to avoid any noise from NIMBY's.

JeffreyNYC
November 27th, 2002, 11:08 AM
Is the DGA building confirmed??
Looks to be quite tall.

NoyokA
November 27th, 2002, 11:46 AM
nothing special about any of these buildings.

Rich Battista
November 28th, 2002, 02:06 PM
well the DGA building does look quite intricate and should turn out to be one of the better constructions of the past few years, just as long as they keep the plans they have as of now. 9-12 Barclay should be another interesting building that will pop up downtown, i cannot wait.


CAN ANYONE PLEASE GIVE US HEIGHT ESTIMATES!!!!!!!!

800 sixth looks like nothing really that special, i would guess 400 to 550 feet.

DGA looks to be quite tall, allthough cannot guess from the surrounding buildings. I am going to say 500-750.

zilla
November 28th, 2002, 10:13 PM
http://www.aiany.org/designawards/2001/project/254_proj.htm

Evan
November 29th, 2002, 12:34 PM
Great picture. *When is it getting built?

Derek2k3
December 24th, 2002, 02:34 AM
800 Sixth Avenue is now under construction and the buildings at 9-12 Barclay are being demolished for the ~60 story tower.

NoyokA
December 24th, 2002, 10:43 AM
There is more activity Downtown now, post 9-11, than the last decade total.

JerzDevl2000
December 26th, 2002, 03:22 AM
Loved this thread - but it seems that the links to the pictures of the proposals/construction don't work anymore. Any way we can get these back up? These are pretty cool projects!

web dvd guy
April 25th, 2003, 05:44 PM
Hi, I'm the owner of orthographics (http://www.orthographics.com). I did some work (non-architectural) for Costas Kondylis & Partners (http://www.kondylis.com) and those pdf's are pretty old. There are some more recent images on the Kondylis website so feel free to check them out.

Gulcrapek
April 25th, 2003, 06:34 PM
Where on the site?

NyC MaNiAc
April 26th, 2003, 03:07 PM
I am very excited about 9-12 barclay street, actually. Downtown needs to see this kind of construction to get back on track...this is a good, first step.

billyblancoNYC
April 27th, 2003, 02:45 AM
800 6th in 6th and what street?

Derek2k3
April 27th, 2003, 09:19 AM
between 27th and 28th Streets
http://live7.truelook.com/timages/live7/strends/SouthView/imgbuf/buf_8757/1051209768047935.jpg

It's 6-12 Barclay by the way, I made a mistake.

billyblancoNYC
April 28th, 2003, 04:42 PM
Thanks. *It'll be a nice addition to that booming corridor. *It's a shame about the flower market, though. *That was nice to walk through.

I hope they find one large, central location to relocate to. *It would be a real shame if all those businesses had to move to Jersey.

NyC MaNiAc
April 29th, 2003, 12:33 AM
Quote: from billyblancoNYC on 3:42 pm on April 28, 2003
Thanks. *It'll be a nice addition to that booming corridor. *It's a shame about the flower market, though. *That was nice to walk through.

I hope they find one large, central location to relocate to. *It would be a real shame if all those businesses had to move to Jersey.

That would be *very* harmful to Lower Manhattan. Let's hope Downtown can get back on it's feet and go ahead with business as usual.

NoyokA
July 23rd, 2003, 09:09 PM
NEW SKYLINE TO RISE AROUND WOOLWORTH

By LOIS WEISS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

July 23, 2003 -- DOWNTOWN's historic Woolworth Building will get an equally tall neighbor when a roughly 50-story residential tower rises at nearby 10 Barclay St.
Glenwood Management had been planning the tower, near St. Peter's Church, since 2000. It was nearly ready with air rights and other agreements in place when the area was devastated on Sept. 11 and residents fled downtown.

Now, with politicians pushing to create more housing and renters raring to watch Larry Silverstein's "Freedom Tower" rise above ground zero, financing is on the way to jump-start nearby residential projects.

Originally planned at about 300,000 square feet, 10 Barclay's design is still getting tweaked by architect Costas Kondylis. It has a budget of around $135 million and is among nine projects now seeking Liberty Bond financing.

The first five projects approved will be subject to the new 20 percent affordable housing component, so people making $50,000 to $85,000 - such as firefighters, police and teachers - would be eligible for the apartments.

Will the builders hold back on their applications to the city's Housing Development Corp. to let competitors contend with the 20 percent affordable housing component?

"We're pushing for our project as fast as we can," said one developer. "We love [80 percent market rate/20 percent affordable] projects.


"The [downtown] community knew these projects would not work as 80/20s without extra subsidies, and they promised us they would come up with more - and they did."

Along with 10 Barclay St., the residential rental projects in line for the Liberty Bonds now include $90 million for Brack Realty Capital's saving of the landmarked historic, Cass Gilbert terra cotta building at 90 West St., which was burned on Sept. 11, 2001; $140 million for Jack Parker Organization's project on the Ponte properties at 273-279 West St.; $200 million for the Jack Resnick & Sons project at Chambers St.; $114 million for the Manocherian family's long-litigated vacant parcel at 15 William St.; $140 million for Metro's conversion of the former Brown Brothers Harriman offices at 63 Wall St.; $145 million for Witkoff to convert the Goldman Sachs office at 10 Hanover St.; $45 million for Cammeby's International to create a small project at 5 Beekman St.; and $80 million for Witkoff and Cammeby's to convert the top portion of the landmarked Cass Gilbert-designed Woolworth Building.

TLOZ Link5
July 23rd, 2003, 10:47 PM
Yay, Downtown and 10 Barclay!

I just hope the tower is contextual to Woolworth.

Derek2k3
July 24th, 2003, 12:39 AM
The words "equally tall neighbor" are a relief in that its height wasn't reduced. Also good to hear its design is still getting tweaked. Here are the old renderings again. For larger views you can go here: \http://public.fotki.com/Derek2k3/

http://images3.fotki.com/v32/free/78262/3/39399/317606/yStreet7CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1059017373
http://images3.fotki.com/v32/free/78262/3/39399/317606/yStreet4CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1059017357
http://images3.fotki.com/v32/free/78262/3/39399/317606/yStreet1CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1059017348
http://images3.fotki.com/v32/free/78262/3/39399/317606/yStreet2CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1059017354
http://images3.fotki.com/v33/free/78262/3/39399/317606/yStreet3CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1059017357
http://images3.fotki.com/v32/free/78262/3/39399/317606/yStreet5CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1059017362
http://images3.fotki.com/v32/free/78262/3/39399/317606/yStreet6CostasKondylisPartners-vi.jpg?1059017368

Here's a design by H. Thomas O' Hara Architects
http://images3.fotki.com/v32/free/78262/3/39399/317606/612BarclayStreet8HThomasOHara-vi.jpg?1059017376
Looks basically the same.

(Edited by Derek2k3 at 11:39 pm on July 23, 2003)

Gulcrapek
July 24th, 2003, 12:42 AM
It looks boring, and yellow brick is a bit overused these days...

I like the base.

Kris
July 24th, 2003, 12:44 AM
That hack's pretentious piece of trash will slight the Woolworth.

londonlawyer
July 24th, 2003, 12:53 AM
Derek,

These renderings are interesting. *By the way, you seem to have good information about new projects. *Therefore, I'm curious if you know anything about the current status of the Director's Guild of America Tower at 110 W. 57th and 505 Fifth Ave. at 42nd St.

Derek2k3
July 24th, 2003, 12:36 PM
No, nothing more than what others on sp have been saying.

BrooklynRider
July 25th, 2003, 11:12 AM
It's hard to really judge the tower facade. *I'm hoping that crown ornament (lookslike glass) is lit at night.

JACKinNYC
July 25th, 2003, 06:40 PM
I'm not particulary excited about it. In fact, I agree that it will slight the Woolworth. If you're going to build something tall next to a historic skyscraper like the Woolworth you should show some respect and put more than 10 minutes of thought into your design.

TLOZ Link5
July 25th, 2003, 10:48 PM
I honestly can't picture it not having a negative impact on any view of Woolworth. *In this context, height means nothing if it pays absolutely no homage to its historic neighbors.

Kris
July 25th, 2003, 11:07 PM
Homage in the sense that it attempts to equal its ambition and success, not imitate its appearance. Height in this case does mean something: it amplifies the potential damage.

Derek2k3
July 26th, 2003, 01:20 AM
I doubt it's going to look like that though. The article says the design is still getting tweaked. I bet these rendering are pretty old too.

JACKinNYC
July 26th, 2003, 11:58 AM
A tweak is a slight change. I'd prefer a major overhaul or a complete retooling. Ever since the glass boxes bagan in the 50's they've all been designed without any regard to scale. It's not just the size of the building that counts. I remember looking up at the Woolworth and the World Trade Center a few years ago and thinking how much taller the Woolworth looked, even though is was nearly 600 feet shorter.

emmeka
August 16th, 2003, 06:22 AM
Okay Im getting slightly pissed off right now because none of these pictures will show on my computer does anyone know where I can find them elswhere?

James Kovata
August 16th, 2003, 10:52 AM
They're not showing on mine either. *Then again, the posts are old, and the links are likely no longer valid.

NoyokA
January 28th, 2004, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by NYGUY at SSP:

NY POST:

BY Lois Weiss

Three years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Leonard Litwin's Glenwood Management is preparing to build a 56-story jumbo rental that will stand directly between the 793-foot-tall Woolworth Building and the 1,776-foot-tall Freedom Tower.

The residential building at 10 Barclay Street will rise next to and west of the Transportation Building at 225 Broadway, a 44-story building favored by law offices, and around the landmarked St. Peter's Church, the oldest Catholic Church in the city.

The new tower is being designed by Costas Kondylis.

According to public records, it will have 381 one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments. Nineteen of the apartments would be affordable, to comply with conditions for $138 million in Liberty Bond financing from the state's Housing Finance Agency.

The entire project, which will cost $184.9 million, will also include 19,271 square feet of community facility space, a health club for residents and a 75-car garage.

Glenwood had expected to finish agreements with adjoining property owners and develop the project in 2002, with 20 percent of its units designated as affordable, but was stalled by the damage to the area and the changed economy.

Today, developers universally complain that lower rents and higher land costs simply don't work out for so-called 80/20 projects, which is why the 95/5 Liberty Bonding is so valuable.

"There is infinite demand for rentals in Manhattan if the price is right," said Nancy Packes, president of Halstead/Feathered Nest leasing consultants. "People have moved beyond looking to leave the [downtown] area."

The Witkoff Group and Cammeby's International also are working with Kondylis to create apartments on the top floors of the Woolworth Building - another plan that was sidetracked after 9/11.

They have applied for $80 million in Liberty Bonds from the city's allocation, and they plan to create 145 rental units.

Steven Witkoff declined to discuss whether the top of the Woolworth Building will be converted or what effect 10 Barclay will have on his Cass Gilbert-designed terra cotta landmark.

"I haven't seen their plans, but if asked what neighbor I would want it would be Glenwood Management," Witkoff told us.

NYguy
January 28th, 2004, 10:40 AM
Maybe we'll get a better look at the plans now that they are moving forward...

ZippyTheChimp
January 28th, 2004, 10:58 AM
Geez, so close to Woolworth. If it is anything like the renderings I remember, I hope this piece of crap falls on its face and never gets off the ground.

RedFerrari360f1
January 28th, 2004, 11:30 AM
The pictures dont show up......... Anyways from what Ive heard its not so great looking?

TLOZ Link5
January 28th, 2004, 12:44 PM
It really isn't that spectacular; at least not the old rendering.

Gulcrapek
January 28th, 2004, 12:48 PM
In an earlier article the design was still being tweaked; the renderings were most likely the original incarnation.

The base was nice, if the materials are used correctly. The tower was a different story.

NoyokA
January 30th, 2004, 11:07 PM
It’s not a bad building. It one of those tall buildings that look as if they have always been there. One of those buildings that have a better visibility than design, but feature an integration that is genuinely part of the New York City fabric, that it wouldn’t be the same without it. That we’re New Yorkers and we can design a big ass tower and not give a second thought to its design. It has that New York attitude.

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Derek2k3/6_12_Barclay_Street_7_Costas_Kondylis_Partners.jpg

Gulcrapek
January 30th, 2004, 11:13 PM
I prefer it when thoughts are put into design...

NoyokA
January 30th, 2004, 11:24 PM
I prefer it when thoughts are put into design...

However thought in design is not always a good thing. You have to respect the development for its size, and its decision to make its impact through engineering. Its the Bigger is Better mentality that I share. We don’t need to impress anyone with petty architectural details; it’s beneath us. It’s a safe design that has nothing to prove other than its own selfish self-being; it doesn’t hide behind ornamentation, or back down from the glory that is Woolworth. It takes no risks, and has no regrets. “Thought” here could’ve been dangerous, overdone, and overblown.

Gulcrapek
January 31st, 2004, 12:26 AM
It could have, but it also could have produced a great work of architecture. Things can be both big and beautiful, e.g. Chrysler and Bloomberg.

TLOZ Link5
January 31st, 2004, 01:42 AM
The context is all wrong. The site is possibly the worst for that design and would be a huge slight to the architecture of the Civic Center. By all means, build it at any other site downtown, but definitely not there.

BPC
January 31st, 2004, 11:20 AM
I think the design is OK, as good as most anything else you see these days. The problem, as everyone seems to acknowledge, is that it is right next to the Woolworth, and blows the proportion of that building. That is is a ZONING problem, not a DESIGN one. There is nothing modern you could build at that height which wouldn't have the same effect on the Woolworth. Unless the City is willing to buy out the developer's air rights, or swaps those rights for another site, I fear the Woolworth is doomed.

krulltime
January 31st, 2004, 01:27 PM
I am all for something to be built at that site (even this building) but it should be limited on the size of buildings. I agree about the future of the Woolworth. :(

RandySavage
March 18th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Walked past the 6-12 Barclay site yesterday. Demolition of whatever was once there looks to be complete. Excavation has yet to begin. There is only a large debris pile and mini-bulldozer on site at the moment.

Derek2k3
March 19th, 2004, 01:41 AM
kool

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/Derek2k3/untitled.jpg

MonCapitan2002
March 19th, 2004, 12:57 PM
The building is an eyesore. It's a shame that the architects couldn't come up with a building that was more aesthetically pleasing.

RandySavage
March 24th, 2004, 01:48 PM
Update: Excavation has begun on this building as 3/24/04.

I hope they've made some changes from the rendering - it could really detract from Woolworth and Trasnportation Building.

Zoe
March 24th, 2004, 03:36 PM
Does anyone have an estimate of how tall this will be (there is no mention of the height in this tread)? It looks taller than Woolworth so I am assuming in the 800ft range.

TLOZ Link5
March 24th, 2004, 04:34 PM
I hope the design has changed. :|

londonlawyer
April 6th, 2004, 01:36 PM
Does anyone have an estimate of how tall this will be (there is no mention of the height in this tread)? It looks taller than Woolworth so I am assuming in the 800ft range.

A construction worker at the site today told me that it will be 55 floors, but he did not know how many feet it will be. Excavation is well under way!

londonlawyer
September 10th, 2004, 10:39 PM
With all of the great projects going on in Lower Manhattan, it's easy to forget about this one.

Here's some news from lowermanhattan.info, which is a good site:

"Barclay Street Reconstruction"


September 9, 2004

Barclay Street has seen some heavy construction since September 11, 2001. As the street that borders Seven World Trade Center to the north, it is in the same boat as Murray, Vesey, Liberty, and other arterials surrounding the World Trade Center site. Together, they bore much of the weight (literally) of semi trucks and other vehicles carting away debris and delivering construction equipment for rebuilding.

Now, with Murray, Liberty, and some other streets already revamped, the time has come to reconstruct Barclay, which means opening up the street, uncovering the utility lines and pipes, and replacing or repairing those is less-than-great shape before refilling and repaving the roadway.

Work on Barclay is taking place between Broadway and West Broadway, and it requires a little extra attention because of a new building at 10-12 Barclay Street in development by Glenwood Management. Glenwood and the city Department of Transportation are taking advantage of the current street reconstruction and installing a new gas main and other utilities needed for the new residential tower.

Construction on Barclay Street, which began in January 2004, will wrap up around winter 2005. The plan is to minimize traffic disruptions by keeping only one traffic lane and sidewalk closed at a time, though there may be occasion to close the entire street or an intersection briefly in order to get work done more efficiently.

The most important part of the project is simple: Once the work is done, Lower Manhattan residents and businesses will have repaved sidewalks and a new, smooth street that is home to new and reliable water, electric, phone, and other essential utilities.

For additional up-to-date information, please view LowerManhattan.info's interactive transportation map. We have pinpointed this project on the map so you can see exactly which streets are affected during construction. The streetwork layer of the map is updated daily by the Department of Transportation.

Edward
October 4th, 2004, 01:31 AM
The residential building at 10 Barclay Street (http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/10barclay/) will rise next to and west of the Transportation Building at 225 Broadway, a 44-story building favored by law offices, and around the landmarked St. Peter's Church, the oldest Catholic Church in the city. 2 October 2004.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/real_estate/10barclay/10barclay_2oct04.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/real_estate/10barclay/)

londonlawyer
October 4th, 2004, 08:48 AM
Hi, Ed.

Isn't the old St. Patrick's on the Lower East Side the oldest Catholic Church in the city? I think that it was completed around 1802, a time when there were very, very few Catholics in America.

BrooklynRider
October 4th, 2004, 10:47 AM
Nope, St. Peter's is the oldest. The Old St. Patricks (which was the church Leonadro DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz defended in "Gangs of New York") came later.

londonlawyer
October 4th, 2004, 12:23 PM
According to my AIA guide, the original St. Pat's on Mulbery St. was constructed between 1809 and 1815. I don't think that the Barclay Street structure is older than that. I believe that it was built in the 1830's. Perhaps the parish is the oldest Catholic one in NYC but the building itself is not.

BrooklynRider
October 4th, 2004, 04:30 PM
Ah, you might be right on that. St. Peter's isn't in thew AIA guide?

londonlawyer
October 4th, 2004, 05:13 PM
St. Peter's is in the AIA guide. It states that St. Peter's was built from 1836 - 1840.

ZippyTheChimp
October 4th, 2004, 07:26 PM
St Peter's is the oldest Catholic parish in New York State. The present church replaced the original, built in 1786.

I hope the 10 Barclay building doesn't annoy me.

BrooklynRider
October 5th, 2004, 11:52 AM
St Peter's is the oldest Catholic parish in New York State. The present church replaced the original, built in 1786.

I hope the 10 Barclay building doesn't annoy me.

You crack me up.

NYatKNIGHT
October 5th, 2004, 12:11 PM
I hope they came up with a better design than what we've seen.

TLOZ Link5
October 5th, 2004, 12:18 PM
I hope they came up with a better design than what we've seen.

Agreed.

Derek2k3
November 23rd, 2004, 02:47 AM
Some new renderings here, looks similar to the Paramount put up by the same developer and architect in '99. I think there are bigger problems here than which shade of ugly the tower should be clad in. Glenwood Management has consistently put up the shittiest residential towers in recent years...1930 Broadway,10 Liberty Street, Hampton Court, The Paramount.

:x http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08.htm :x

Fortunately, according to DOB, it's only 584 feet tall, 56 stories, and 441 units. However, they dont include the height of the water tower and mechanical space at the top of the buiding.

TLOZ Link5
November 23rd, 2004, 03:50 AM
I still think it's offensive to be putting this tower so close to the Woolworth Building. Where was the community opposition?

londonlawyer
November 23rd, 2004, 08:22 AM
It's certainly not a great design, but I don't think that it's an eyesore. Overall, residential towers in Manhattan have very mundane architecture with limited exceptions (e.g., Metropolitan Tower). Sadly, the days of constructing residential buildings like the Dakota, the San Remo, etc. are long gone.

Gulcrapek
November 23rd, 2004, 02:52 PM
It looks just like the Grand Tier. But bigger, and uglier.

ZippyTheChimp
November 23rd, 2004, 05:24 PM
I still think it's offensive to be putting this tower so close to the Woolworth Building. Where was the community opposition?

Good point. It's not for not caring about the building. A few years ago, when there was a proposal to alter the exterior of Woolworth for residences, there was a howl in the community. I guess they don't consider the surrounding space as integral with the building.

It's true that there are countless residential buildings in NYC just like this, but there is only one Woolworth.

Zoe
December 22nd, 2004, 06:28 PM
This project has started to move ahead. Two weeks ago they broke ground and it looks like they are about 75% complete with the excavation.

NewYorkYankee
December 23rd, 2004, 11:19 AM
Will 9-12 Barclay block views of the Woolworth?

TLOZ Link5
December 23rd, 2004, 07:12 PM
Will 9-12 Barclay block views of the Woolworth?

From the west, possibly. My worst fear is that it will have a MetLife effect on Woolworth.

Bob
December 25th, 2004, 10:16 AM
If there is any consolation, here, it might be that the massing -- particularly of the top -- is art deco. Any walk around lower Manhattan will tell you there are plenty of filthy run-down nondescript buildings that cry out for demolition. If this new building replaces even one of those types, I think the city is better off.

Gulcrapek
January 31st, 2005, 10:14 PM
10 Barclay St. 1/30/05 - the rest of the site looks like this too


http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/532/13010b2s.jpg

Derek2k3
April 30th, 2005, 08:22 PM
6-12 Barclay Street
6-12/10 Barclay Street
56 stories 584 feet to roof
Costas Kondylis & Partners
Dev-Glenwood Management
Residential Rental
441 540,540 Sq. Ft.
Under Construction 2004-2006

http://www.pbase.com/archit_kderek2k3/image/42767516.jpg
Early March

LowerManhattan.info
10-12 Barclay Street

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/10_12_barclay_street_44865.asp

Across Broadway from City Hall Park, Glenwood Management is building a new residential tower at 10-12 Barclay Street. While designs for the building have yet to be finalized, excavation and work on the substructure has begun, preparing the site for superstructure construction.

Spring 2005: Excavation and work on the substructure (below grade) has begun, including making house connections to utilities.

BrooklynRider
June 3rd, 2005, 03:41 PM
Anyone ever see this rendering from H. Thomas O'Hara Architects?

NoyokA
June 3rd, 2005, 03:43 PM
Anyone ever see this rendering from H. Thomas O'Hara Architects?

O'Hara was the architect before the developer brought in Kondylis, their design was not much better.

Gulcrapek
June 3rd, 2005, 10:56 PM
O'Hara's could have been the best design of his career. But that's not saying much. Still, with refinement, it might have been more unique than Kondylis's design. Glenwood seems to have a set of design guidelines that limit the creativity of its architects. Look at the Grand Tier, Liberty Plaza, and this - they're close cousins, but by two different architects, one who could have definitely done better (Jacobs).

Fabrizio
June 4th, 2005, 05:08 AM
Needed here would be rational international style architecture. A slim stark black box with the skin of the Trump World Tower.... with window detailing that would emphisize the verticle. It would set off the Woolworth. Instead we get a stack of floors with wide hoizontal windows and an art-deco after-thought at the top. Corny.

lofter1
July 20th, 2005, 10:04 PM
I walked by this site today and got a look into the foundation hole...

Concrete has been poured for the east wall foundation and the west wall foundation. They are still driving piles at the center of the site, so completion of the foundation seems a ways off. Clearly completion by winter of 2005 as reported in an earlier post is not in the cards.

A security guard at the site said he thought it was going to be 46 stories (but he said it like a question, so he's probably not the most knowledgeable guy around).

This building will completely block the view of the Woolworth from the WFC (but so will the new buildings at the WTC site).

Is the rendering at this link the latest on this building?

http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08/view-02.htm

sfenn1117
July 21st, 2005, 12:42 AM
I hope it is 46 instead of 56 stories. Less of an impact on Woolworth. One building I think we'd all be happy if it were shorter. Costas should be ashamed at this design.

BrooklynRider
July 21st, 2005, 11:00 AM
I don't think the height is as bothersome as the design. It is just a horrible looking design to pop up so close. But, then again, that building directly south of it is not beauty either.

I think Fabrizio articulated very well what should be there. Tall, sleek and dark. Give the Woolworth something to contrast with.

LeCom
October 30th, 2005, 05:13 PM
Set to rise between the Transportation Building (the tall brown one) and the church
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/411998.jpg

Check out Chase Manhattan Bank on the upper right
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412005.jpg

They already got all the necessary tools of trade - from the crane...
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412008.jpg

...to the johns
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412013.jpg

Damn, the grit, the density, the multi-level vertical city... just imagine the views from the tower looking south when it's completed
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/10/412012.jpg

czsz
October 30th, 2005, 05:19 PM
I can't access any of the renderings of this. Can someone repost?

lofter1
October 31st, 2005, 12:06 AM
I can't access any of the renderings of this. Can someone repost?
Hold your nose (it stinks):

http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08/view-02-c.jpg (http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08.htm)

BrooklynRider
October 31st, 2005, 11:20 AM
Gigantor the space age robot. I waiting for it to begin walking around wreaking havoc.

lofter1
October 31st, 2005, 12:52 PM
It is just so WRONG

ablarc
October 31st, 2005, 03:03 PM
Gives Woolworth some company. Been lonely too long..

TLOZ Link5
October 31st, 2005, 03:42 PM
Gigantor the space age robot. I waiting for it to begin walking around wreaking havoc.

Someone was watching Adult Swim last night...

czsz
October 31st, 2005, 05:36 PM
It actually doesn't seem so terrible. Wrong location, perhaps, is the only issue.

Maybe when it's complete there will be better angles to shoot it (and its relation to the Woolworth) from.

Citytect
October 31st, 2005, 06:41 PM
You're right czsz.

I hate Costas Kondylis. But this building is an example of Kondylis at his very very best (ie. not very good). It's actually not bad. I don't like it, but it isn't terrible. Could have been a lot worse. What bothers me is the prominent location. The building belongs on the upper east side, not next to Woolworth.

czsz
October 31st, 2005, 07:53 PM
Of course they were only thinking about how those Woolworth spire views would sell like hotcakes.

macreator
October 31st, 2005, 08:52 PM
As much as I hate Costas, and the crap he churns out, this isn't as bad as I expected.

It's not half-bad except for the unfortunate pairing of it so close to actual architectural greatness.

lofter1
October 31st, 2005, 10:32 PM
^ But that is exactly what makes this mediocre pile so BAD BAD BAD.

Anyplace else it would just get lost among the others. Here it's like the ugly step-sister.

Never again will you be able to view the Woolworth in all her glory without thinking, "excuse me, could you please step out of the picture".

macreator
October 31st, 2005, 11:14 PM
You know what I'd love to see demolished? That 50's era office building to the right of 9-12 Barclay in the rendering. That thing is truly awful.

Unfortunately New York has accumulated an awful lot of these ugly, dirty, and stubby 20-story 50's office buildings in awful grey and light blue hues.

NoyokA
October 31st, 2005, 11:55 PM
Im afraid as bad as the building looks from this angle it'll look even worse from Ground Zero. I have a suspicion it'll have a southern facing core.

vc10
November 1st, 2005, 12:39 AM
With you on that. Is that the one that's been converted into housing? The floor plans for that had very long, narrow apts because the building is relatively deep.


You know what I'd love to see demolished? That 50's era office building to the right of 9-12 Barclay in the rendering. That thing is truly awful.

Unfortunately New York has accumulated an awful lot of these ugly, dirty, and stubby 20-story 50's office buildings in awful grey and light blue hues.

lofter1
November 1st, 2005, 08:52 AM
Im afraid as bad as the building looks from this angle it'll look even worse from Ground Zero. I have a suspicion it'll have a southern facing core.
That would be a disaster. Hoping that they got air rights from buildings on their south and are going with a central core. Otherwise we could get a lot of brick facing south.

LeCom
November 1st, 2005, 07:00 PM
That would be a disaster. Hoping that they got air rights from buildings on their south and are going with a central core. Otherwise we could get a lot of brick facing south.
Worse yet, that brick would block the view of Woolworth.

lofter1
November 1st, 2005, 08:14 PM
This will definitely block the view of the Woolworth from the new plaza at the Calatrava transit hub. The south side of this building is boing to be very prominent, as it overlooks both St. Pauls church & cemetery (as well as the previously mentioned Calatrava).

Luckily the new WTC2 will block this thing from the SW (along with the Woolworth from that viewpoint).

Sidenote: the new Kondylis pile on Broadway / Leonard is being faced in very dark gray brick. Really WRONG for that site.

Kondylis is a HACK.

vc10
November 5th, 2005, 08:20 PM
I walked by the site today and took a peek inside---they've built one or two of the basement floors already.

LeCom
November 5th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Why cn't they put one of those glass shard (one of the good looking ones) on its place, instead of putting them randomly in The Village and Uptown, where towers like the one above belong more? That way, there would be contrast between n old masterpiece and a new masterpiece instead of a new masterpiece and a 700-foot tall proof that our generation is lazy.

lofter1
November 5th, 2005, 10:22 PM
Note: Actual address for this building is 6-12 Barclay ... should the title of this thread be changed to reflect that?

NYatKNIGHT
November 7th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Got it.

TLOZ Link5
November 7th, 2005, 03:04 PM
I think that this eyesore is only going to be something like 580 feet, somewhat taller than the Transportation Building.

lofter1
November 8th, 2005, 12:13 AM
Which is too bad ...

There is a terrific balance that exists between the Woolworth and the Transportation Building. This pile will throw that all off.

TLOZ Link5
November 8th, 2005, 03:09 PM
I still hate this building, rest assured.

NYatKNIGHT
November 8th, 2005, 04:17 PM
I'm in the hate column too. Strangely, the spam filters on my office computer block the rendering from appearing - it's categorized as pornography of all things.

lofter1
November 8th, 2005, 10:27 PM
it's categorized as pornography of all things.
doesn't surprise me ;)

Johnnyboy
November 8th, 2005, 11:02 PM
Hold your nose (it stinks):

http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08/view-02-c.jpg (http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08.htm)
It actually looks nice with the woolworth building in the back ground

antinimby
November 8th, 2005, 11:30 PM
It actually looks nice with the woolworth building in the back ground
Would you feel the same way if it came out this color?
http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08/view-01.htm

lofter1
November 9th, 2005, 12:13 AM
Ecch - that yellowish / whitish facade looks like the crud they put on that tower at 425 5th Ave.

That is my nightmare -- that this pile will be just as bad as that one.

lofter1
November 9th, 2005, 12:14 AM
It actually looks nice with the woolworth building in the back ground
hummmmmmmm...

Perhaps you mean to write "The Woolworth building looks great, but what is that other thing doing there?"

lofter1
November 9th, 2005, 12:22 AM
On second thought, perhaps it just isn't BIG enough ...

TLOZ Link5
November 9th, 2005, 12:27 AM
::hums Gigantor the Space-Age Robot::

BPC
November 9th, 2005, 02:52 AM
So much carping over this building! It looks fine to me. Not a masterpiece, obviously, but not nearly as ugly as most of the buildings that have gone up in Manhattan in the last 50 years. As for the Woolworth, it sits in an office district. It was always only a matter or time before it would be cluttered with surrounding buildings. That is Manhattan for you.

ablarc
November 9th, 2005, 08:01 AM
On second thought, perhaps it just isn't BIG enough ...
Could be; your doctored rendering makes that case.

(Though I think you meant TALL enough.)

lofter1
November 9th, 2005, 08:32 AM
^ When I get in the building mood -- especially when it means obliterating great old NYC buildings -- I go for both BIG and TALL ...

http://www.bigandtalloutlet.com/images/tl_logo.jpg

lofter1
November 9th, 2005, 09:13 AM
So much carping over this building!
Now there's an idea ... (shown with and without commemorative lighting feature)

ablarc
November 9th, 2005, 09:35 AM
^ Got to get Gehry to do it; he likes to do fish.

NYguy
December 13th, 2005, 11:13 AM
DECEMBER 11, 2005


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/53510017/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/53510019/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/53510020/large.jpg

macreator
December 13th, 2005, 05:26 PM
Why is it taking so long for this thing to get going?

TLOZ Link5
December 13th, 2005, 06:00 PM
Why is it taking so long for this thing to get going?

Hopefully, the gods of good taste are trying desperately to stymie any and all efforts to make this building happen.

That, or the foundation is very deep.

antinimby
December 29th, 2005, 04:10 AM
9-12 Barclay should be built since it's residential. I counted 51 visible floors and probably about 10-15 floors are hidden and then the glass on top would make it around 70 stories. Also in the rendering the bldg. is behind Woolworth making it look smaller...I'm guess they're around the same height.

800 Sixth Avenue should start by the end of this year.


From the NYT:
"The Adell family was an early advocate of transition to residential use in the area, where it assembled three parcels and was instrumental in its rezoning. Matthew G. Adell, president of Adell, said he hoped to start construction by the end of the year on a rental building with up to 270 units on the third site, between 27th and 28th Streets, which his company will develop alone."


Here's the article on the Directors' Guild building that was posted awhile back. I counted about 50 floors though.

\http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=54


DIRECTORS GUILD TO BE LEVELED

By BRADEN KEIL *(NEW YORK POST)

February 14, 2002 -- The Directors Guild of America building is heading in a different direction: down.
Sources say the building at 110 W. 57th St. will be sold to the Athena Group, a developer of prime residential real estate, and will be demolished to make way for a 40-story mixed-use, full-service building.

Plans could include as many as 120 high-end condos, priced below $900 per square foot, and 100,000 square feet of commercial space.

"It is an area that is prime for residential use," says a broker familiar with the area.

"There are many restaurants; the park is just a short distance. You have The Park Imperial going up nearby, as well as the AOL Time Warner Center a few blocks from there."

The Athena Group, headed by Alfred Taubman's son-in-law, Louis Dubin, has already built full-floor condos at 838 Fifth Ave. and is now developing 25 to 30 condominiums at the new Liberty Building between 64th and 65th streets off Central Park West.

The units, designed by architect Costas Kondylis, will go for $1.5 million to more than $10 million.

The project also includes the addition of three to four more floors above the existing structure and creation of an interior courtyard.

Dubin wouldn't comment on the Directors Guild Building deal.

(Edited by Derek2k3 at 11:07 pm on Nov. 26, 2002)I know this is old, but the slowdown in news lately has forced me to read the "back pages" and I ran into this. Does anyone know what have become of these two developments: 800 6th Ave. and 110 W. 57th St.?

londonlawyer
December 29th, 2005, 09:14 AM
The Director's Guild is off the boards for now. They renovated the building (albeit, it's a superficial renovation), and a worker there told me that the Guild changed its mind and decided to keep it. That being said, if someone comes along with the right price, maybe they'll sell. I hope they do sell eventually because the building is an eyesore among some beautiful buildings on 57th. Also, the building that was proposed was really attractive.

Where is 800 Sixth? What's there now? Do you have any renderings of the proposed building?

Derek2k3
December 29th, 2005, 10:27 AM
I know this is old, but the slowdown in news lately has forced me to read the "back pages" and I ran into this. Does anyone know what have become of these two developments: 800 6th Ave. and 110 W. 57th St.?

http://www.pbase.com/archit_kderek2k3/image/54107673.jpg
800 Sixth is the Aston at 6th Avenue and 27th Street.

NYguy
January 9th, 2006, 10:31 AM
JANUARY 8, 2006

Finally, we get moving...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54622558/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54622561/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54622563/medium.jpg

lofter1
February 8th, 2006, 11:05 AM
This is up to Floor 6 now ...

Not so apparent in the renderings, but clear from the floor plates above the 2nd floor that have been laid so far is that all of the apartment windows are to be very shallow 3-sided bay windows -- another WRONG aspect of this cheesy project.

sfenn1117
February 8th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Similar to that brick one across from Chase Manhattan? I bet this will have exposed floor plates too.

ZippyTheChimp
February 8th, 2006, 01:00 PM
If this one looks like 10 Liberty, I swear I'll throw a rock at it.

lofter1
February 8th, 2006, 07:43 PM
Lets back up the wheel barrow and start loading it up ...

Here's 10 Liberty, and I fear it's getting a twin (with some minor cosmetic differences):

http://i.pbase.com/v3/92/535292/1/50801324.10LibertyStreet9SH.JPG (http://www.pbase.com/archit_kderek2k3/downtown)

BPC
February 8th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Perhaps I am missing the outrage, but 10 Liberty Street looks better than about 70% of the buildings that have gone up in Manhattan over the past 10 years, as well as all of the ones proposed for the ConEd East River site.

sfenn1117
February 8th, 2006, 09:34 PM
It (10 Liberty) doesn't look overly terrible, but it is cheap and pre-fab. The good thing about it is that it's hidden in the center of downtown, surronded by the tallest skyscrapers. It certainly did not come out as nicely as the rendering shows, but it is better than 2 Gold, imo.

This one, unfortunately, will be much more visible, especially from the north, and even fron the World Trade Center. And this too, is more than likely cheap and pre-fab.

Zoe
February 8th, 2006, 10:12 PM
10 Liberty does not bother me, I think the new Barclay building will not come out nearly as well. I almost signed a lease at 10 Liberty a few months ago, they have a nice indoor pool and good apartment layouts.

lofter1
February 8th, 2006, 10:23 PM
10 Liberty does not bother me ... they have a nice indoor pool and good apartment layouts.
All fine and well for the few hundred who live there, but those things make no difference whatsoever to the rest of NYC -- who just get to look at the cheapish & cheesyish neo-Georgianish pretend Park Avenueish facade.

lofter1
March 9th, 2006, 09:04 PM
The crane is starting to poke its way up a 12 Barclay ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emilygeoff/109910020/

LeCom
March 11th, 2006, 03:10 PM
Can you see the crane?

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/03/442375.jpg

londonlawyer
March 11th, 2006, 03:15 PM
All fine and well for the few hundred who live there, but those things make no difference whatsoever to the rest of NYC -- who just get to look at the cheapish & cheesyish neo-Georgianish pretend Park Avenueish facade.

I like 10 Liberty. It has nice details. It's way better, in my opinion, than the rentals on 6th Avenue (though I prefer them to vacant lots) and most other rentals that are built in NY. I think that Glenwood does a decent job. It's also way better than 2 Gold Street.

lofter1
March 11th, 2006, 04:30 PM
There's just something odd to me about the squatty neo-classical base with the neo-modernish tower -- the proportions are off to my eye.

I don't think I've ever seen a rendering of Barclay from the south ...

Here's a bad version of what might await us (all I can say is "Thank Heavens for 2WTC" -- which will help to hide this new thang from many angles):

***

antinimby
March 11th, 2006, 09:53 PM
...this new thang from...lofter, you sound ghetto, are you what they call, a "brotha?"

LeCom
March 11th, 2006, 11:18 PM
...

LeCom
April 22nd, 2006, 08:12 PM
First glass, nice and reflective, probably the best solution for these stupid bay windows
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1342/pict008310barclayucapr06window1.jpg

Walking down Broadway

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4035/pict006310barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

The two spires
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3936/pict006610barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

Work at the top
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4449/pict006910barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

A tree grows...
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1214/pict007010barclayucapr06tothen.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9688/pict007810barclayucapr06base1s.jpg

It's getting tall fast
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/907/pict007910barclayucapr06lookin.jpg

Workers...
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4063/pict008010barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

...waiting for the bin to come down...
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/7353/pict008110barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

...so they can get it ready...
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/522/pict008210barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

LeCom
April 22nd, 2006, 08:12 PM
...and refill with concrete to send it back up
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/199/pict008410barclayucapr06basewo.jpg

Yea they work fast, no wonder it's this tall already
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7015/pict008810barclayucapr06lookin.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1333/pict008610barclayucapr06base24.jpg

It was just about four stories tall in the beginning of March
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4540/pict008710barclayucapr06lookin.jpg

lofter1
April 22nd, 2006, 09:47 PM
That un-ending parade of bay windows -- exactly the same, one after another, top to bottom, east to west -- is just horrid.

Besides that they are fairly pointless -- as their depth must reach all of about 8 inches.

Fabrizio
April 23rd, 2006, 04:59 AM
a great classic NYC view ...soon to be forever ruined by this insipid 3rd avenue-style hulk. I could cry. A high-quality, simple, smooth, international style, "less-is-more", box would´ve been fine...something in the style of 7WTC would´ve been fine... or ideally a Piano/Foster/Calatrava/Ghery calibre studio working here.

MY god, scroll up and look at those photos....EVERY building is a work of art....and now you´ve got this. WHAT is this doing here?

Man if this had been my neighborhood I´d have made up some great NIMBY flyers....

ablarc
April 23rd, 2006, 09:24 AM
MY god, scroll up and look at those photos....EVERY building is a work of art....and now youŽve got this. WHAT is this doing here?

Man if this had been my neighborhood IŽd have made up some great NIMBY flyers....
You'd be a preservationist and an urban aesthete. That's different from being a NIMBY, which focuses on parochial and selfish interests.



Off topic, St. Paul's Chapel: is it due for a cleaning?

Fabrizio
April 23rd, 2006, 09:52 AM
"urban aesthete" then....just as long as that thing is Not In My Back Yard.

lofter1
April 23rd, 2006, 10:12 AM
Off topic, St. Paul's Chapel: is it due for a cleaning?
It got a good scrub back in '02: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30A17FF3D5C0C758DDDAA0894DA4044 82

londonlawyer
April 23rd, 2006, 10:14 AM
...
MY god, scroll up and look at those photos....EVERY building is a work of art....

The south side of this tower, which is depicted in the photos you refer to,
is on Vescey Street, a small street which has magnificent, old office buildings.

Vescey is adjacent to the north side of the graveyard at St. Paul's.

Fabrizio
April 23rd, 2006, 10:23 AM
Take a look at the close-up of those metal bay windows...and the workmanship. They look like something you´d see on a mobile-home.

ablarc
April 23rd, 2006, 12:12 PM
"urban aesthete" then....just as long as that thing is Not In My Back Yard.
An urban aesthete's back yard is everywhere in the world!

The difference between you and a NIMBY is geographic. I can respect an opinion on Barclay Stret that comes from distant Tuscany. If it came from the immediate vicinity I'd be suspicious.

lofter1
April 23rd, 2006, 12:49 PM
But ugly is ugly -- no matter if you're viewing it from 6,000 miles away or from across the street.

And this pile, unfortunately for NYC, is the definition (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ugly) of ugly.

lofter1
April 23rd, 2006, 12:57 PM
Imagine if someone with taste and discernment had created a tower that respected the forms and materials of the Woolworth, the Transporation Building at 225 Broadway, the blockfront facing St. Paul's Chapel and St. Peter's Catholic church (just to the west on Barclay).

It needn't be done with the finesse and cost of Stern's 15 CPW, but with that in mind: this new POS should be an embarassment to both the developer and the architect.

Gulcrapek
April 25th, 2006, 09:11 AM
Glenwood doesn't seem to mind putting up POSes...

stache
April 27th, 2006, 06:56 AM
OMG I walked by this building yesterday. I don't know why, I had this idea that the property was further East for some reason. Imagine living in a south facing apt. with all the WTC construction going on in the future. Not pretty! I'm hoping that we're at the end of the 'Freedom' $ that is throwing up this crap downtown -

antinimby
May 22nd, 2006, 08:32 AM
A rendering of the base:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2188/10barclaybase3lw.jpg

ZippyTheChimp
May 22nd, 2006, 09:22 AM
The "Liberty" buildings have their own architectural style - crap.

Scruffy88
June 16th, 2006, 05:01 PM
June 1

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/Bk4.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/Bk3.jpg

lofter1
June 17th, 2006, 01:46 AM
It looks like this is about up to the 30th Floor -- is it really going up to 50 floors?

I HATE what it does to the Woolworth from this POV :mad:

antinimby
June 18th, 2006, 03:25 AM
I think the facade will either make or break it.
Material and craftsmanship will be crucial here.
I suspect that even they are experimenting with it as well. There was a photo not too long ago showing a bay window up, but it doesn't appear to be there in later photos. Hmmm...

lofter1
June 18th, 2006, 12:02 PM
The rendering shown above doesn't give me too much hope ...

Unrelenting conformity seems to be the style in mind :eek:

lofter1
June 18th, 2006, 12:06 PM
There was a photo not too long ago showing a bay window up, but it doesn't appear to be there in later photos. Hmmm...
Imagine this \/ multiplied by 500 (and that on just ONE facade) :eek: :eek: :eek: ...

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1342/pict008310barclayucapr06window1.jpg

Scruffy88
June 18th, 2006, 10:31 PM
Well that view that I shot was from across Ground Zero, so at least you can feel slightly satisfied that this building will completley vanish once those towers get built. that view of woolworth was gonna go anyways. i agree that this building is far from impressive

lofter1
June 19th, 2006, 11:33 AM
Upon exiting the Calatrava transit building you'll see this POS -- rather than the glorious Woolworth -- UGGGGHHHH

Fabrizio
June 19th, 2006, 11:46 AM
And look at the base in the rendering....it looks like a suburban church rectory circa 1965. Or Lions Club ...I can almost see the banner: "THURSDAY NIGHT BINGO"

LeCom
July 25th, 2006, 10:24 AM
July 24, 2006

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/07/476142.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/07/476143.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/07/476144.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/07/476145.jpg

stache
July 25th, 2006, 10:43 AM
Reminds me of the Riga.

lofter1
July 25th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Looks like they are about up to Floor 46 ...

NYguy
July 25th, 2006, 03:27 PM
JULY 22, 2006


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/64087484/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/64087485/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/64087484/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/64087485/large.jpg

ramvid01
July 25th, 2006, 05:28 PM
doesn't look as bad as the renderings make it seem, but I'll reserve my opinion on the building until all of the facade is up.

RS085
July 25th, 2006, 05:35 PM
how far from topping out?

pianoman11686
July 25th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Another pockmark on the skyline.

finnman69
July 25th, 2006, 07:09 PM
It looks like this is about up to the 30th Floor -- is it really going up to 50 floors?

I HATE what it does to the Woolworth from this POV :mad:


It makes me want to cry. Did anyone fight this one? Probably built as of right. They are goining bananas in Brooklyn over a city with no skyline but noone fights to protect one of the most important skyscrapers in the world.

lofter1
July 25th, 2006, 08:21 PM
me cryin' :( :( :( ...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/64087485/medium.jpg

lofter1
July 25th, 2006, 08:24 PM
The compostion of the Transportation Building and the Woolworth rising side by side surrounded by blue sky was one of the glories of NYC.

Glad to have it imprinted in my memory. So sorry to see it go ..........

lofter1
July 25th, 2006, 08:25 PM
uh-oh ... beginning to move from GRIEF to RAGE over this .........

lofter1
July 25th, 2006, 08:41 PM
Each and every person at both Costas Kondylis Partners and Glenwood Management who so much as added one line or penny to this project should be bound spread-eagle, have their entrails ripped from their bodies, be forcefully drawn-and-quartered, the pieces spread to the far ends of the earth.

May their spirits wander the hallways of each and every building that they have developed, forever haunting the inhabitants.

May their bank accounts dwindle, leaving their heirs penniless.

May their names be wiped from the tongues of anyone who has any love for the City that is New York.

May they rot in shame.

stache
July 25th, 2006, 09:27 PM
But how do you really feel?

lofter1
July 25th, 2006, 09:29 PM
A bit better now ... thanks ;)

BPC
July 25th, 2006, 10:22 PM
You may want to consider counseling over this one dude. With all the crap that's being put up around town, that building just isn't that bad.

finnman69
July 26th, 2006, 12:32 AM
take their architectural licenses away

lofter1
July 26th, 2006, 01:49 AM
It's not the building (like you say it's a copy of a dozen other boring apartment towers around town).

It's where it's located and what it has taken away.

LeCom
August 1st, 2006, 11:15 AM
Looks like Lofter will have to keep on crying, as the tower already has a hell of a presence

Shots taken yesterday

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477576.jpg

The tower shits all over Transportation Building moreso than anything else

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477577.jpg

It makes Barclay Street into even more of a dark canyon

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477578.jpg

...which isn't necessarily a bad thing, imo

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477579.jpg

Facade is conventional, but at least it won't compete with Woolworth for glam

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477580.jpg

BrooklynRider
August 1st, 2006, 11:18 AM
It's humongous and ugly, but I really think I would enjoy living on a high floor with a southern exposure. Imagine that view! (And, it is really a perfect location in terms of mass transit). Anyone count the floors to see how much taller it goes?

krulltime
August 1st, 2006, 11:33 AM
Looks like Lofter will have to keep on crying, as the tower already has a hell of a presence

Shots taken yesterday

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477576.jpg

The tower shits all over Transportation Building moreso than anything else

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477577.jpg

It makes Barclay Street into even more of a dark canyon

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477578.jpg

...which isn't necessarily a bad thing, imo

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477579.jpg

Facade is conventional, but at least it won't compete with Woolworth for glam

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477580.jpg


Thanks for the photos! This building for been so tall should had been more interesting looking. Blah.

Peakrate212
August 1st, 2006, 11:37 AM
it has to be Glenwood - Len Litwin - its identicial to two other buildings of his.

The Lucerne 79th and second
new one way downtown - Gold street?


Talk abou cookie cutter..........does this guy care about architicture? he duplicates the same building!

kz1000ps
August 1st, 2006, 11:57 AM
Anyone count the floors to see how much taller it goes?

I count 48. So that means we've got no more than 4 floors to go.

SilentPandaesq
August 1st, 2006, 12:12 PM
it has to be Glenwood - Len Litwin - its identicial to two other buildings of his.

Funny, I just moved into a Glenwood catastrophe on York and 91st. They all look the same. Same lay out, same lobby, same roof deck "solarium".

lofter1
August 1st, 2006, 12:16 PM
Through my tears I'm counting ~ 48 floors, too.

From 6th Ave near Spring looking south the upper floors are screaming out across downtown.

From my window a bit farther east I can see the the upper floors have now reached the bottom of the crown of the Transportation Building. Luckily from this vantage point it is wedged between other buildings and barely invades my view of the Woolworth.

lofter1
August 1st, 2006, 12:21 PM
... a Glenwood catastrophe on York and 91st.


Now there's something the marketing folks can run with ...

Foreign buyers might even think it's a glamorous word, if the right font is used:



Welcome to the latest in Luxury Living ...


The Glenwood Catastrophe !!


***

lofter1
August 1st, 2006, 12:25 PM
Although, to give it the requisite modernity, they might want to play with an alternative spelling ...

Possibly: catastrofe

(with, of course, an accent over the final vowel)

Derek2k3
August 1st, 2006, 12:29 PM
The Glenwood Catastrophe !!
lol


I count 48. So that means we've got no more than 4 floors to go.

unfortunately it has 56 stories plus lots of mechanical crap on top.

SilentPandaesq
August 1st, 2006, 12:33 PM
catastrofe

(with, of course, an accent over the final vowel)

Well then, I would have paid double to live in a place that has an accent mark over a vowel (any vowel).

BTW - what is the final height of the building?

pianoman11686
August 1st, 2006, 01:28 PM
Glenwood's also responsible for that "catastrophe" across from Lincoln Center. This building's no better than that one. Truly horrendous, and on a completely different scale of "horrible architecture" than any of the new glass boxes that we're seeing. I'd take Foster's Lexington Ave. Tower anyday over this exposed floor-plate and A/C vent, faux-bay window drivel any day. The renderings failed to show just how ugly this thing looks from relatively close up.

SilentPandaesq
August 1st, 2006, 01:49 PM
...faux-bay window drivel any day.

Tell me about it. I would just rather had the Extra Sq-footage. I am glad I am just renting (well... I am not glad, but compromise is the watchword of co-habitation)

Who ever lives here will own this thing.

finnman69
August 1st, 2006, 03:02 PM
Thanks for the photos! This building for been so tall should had been more interesting looking. Blah.

Zero creativity. I hope that the architects who worked on this POS read this thread and feel terrible about what they 'accomplished'. I wont say what they 'designed' anything because there is no design in the that monolith.

kz1000ps
August 1st, 2006, 03:11 PM
unfortunately it has 56 stories plus lots of mechanical crap on top.

D'oh...

lofter1
August 1st, 2006, 03:52 PM
... according to DOB, it's only 584 feet tall, 56 stories, and 441 units. However, they dont include the height of the water tower and mechanical space at the top of the buiding.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37132&postcount=76

SilentPandaesq
August 1st, 2006, 04:18 PM
so I guess we are looking at around 600 feet, when factoring in the various junk that will cap off this pile.

TREPYE
August 1st, 2006, 04:32 PM
Through my tears I'm counting ~ 48 floors, too.

From 6th Ave near Spring looking south the upper floors are screaming out across downtown.

From my window a bit farther east I can see the the upper floors have now reached the bottom of the crown of the Transportation Building. Luckily from this vantage point it is wedged between other buildings and barely invades my view of the Woolworth.

Damn Lofter you are taking this one pretty badly. How are you going to cope when they build the Beekman tower??

LeCom
August 1st, 2006, 06:33 PM
This one's for you Lofter :)

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477719.jpg

krulltime
August 1st, 2006, 06:44 PM
^ Well at least the new World Trade Center buildings will hide this thing.

lofter1
August 1st, 2006, 10:35 PM
LeCom: >>OUCH<<

Beekman will bug me from some angles, but not like this one ...

Transporation Building (225 Broadway) is listed at DOB (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobDetailsServlet?requestid=2&allisn=0000318628&allboroughname=&allnumbhous=&allstrt) as being 450'.

It will be completely dwarfed by this 600' POS.

Imagine the view from City Hall Park seeing this thang looming up behind the TB :eek:

I just consider myself lucky to have seen NYC at a certain point in time ...

And why doesn't somebody do something about that horrible thang over / behind Century 21 (the one with the stripes at the right above) ????????

pianoman11686
August 1st, 2006, 10:39 PM
I think we'll just have to hope and pray that some better buildings eventually come down the line and return the favor to these kinds of monstrosities by blotting them out.

LeCom
August 1st, 2006, 10:57 PM
Imagine the view from City Hall Park seeing this thang looming up behind the TB :eek:

Actually that's the one angle from which the tower is barely visible at all.

lbjefferies
August 1st, 2006, 11:19 PM
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2006/08/477719.jpg




^ Well at least the new World Trade Center buildings will hide this thing.


Wouldn't this have been the view through the trees, over the memorial and Calatrava station, that would have included the Woolworth Building into at least one view of the new World Trade Center. Now it will be completely obscured. Tragic tragic tragic tragic

And according to pianoman, this is the same guy who created the disaster across from Lincoln Center. I really want to beat this guy up.

pianoman11686
August 1st, 2006, 11:47 PM
Don't know if the architect's the same, but Glenwood is in fact responsible for this tower, as well as the one across from Lincoln Center (name: The Grand Tier). Someone mentioned earlier that they put up 2 Gold Street; that was Rockrose. And while that one stinks, Glenwood put up Liberty Plaza (which is arguably worse) right around the same time.

I know Costas isn't very good, but even he's often better than this. Glenwood's got to be one of the worst "luxury" developers in the city.

Peakrate212
August 2nd, 2006, 12:27 AM
Lenny - time to retire already.

how old are you?

krulltime
August 2nd, 2006, 01:00 AM
I mean why can't this building been much shorter? I just don't get it. No consideration in good architecture or respect for other great architecture for that matter.

LeCom
August 2nd, 2006, 10:01 AM
I mean why can't this building been much shorter? I just don't get it. No consideration in good architecture or respect for other great architecture for that matter.
But they have respect for milking a site for all the cash they could get.

lofter1
August 2nd, 2006, 11:24 AM
Re: View from City Hall Park




Actually that's the one angle from which the tower is barely visible at all.

But this one is going up another 150' -- methinks the crown of the TB will be lost against the bank of mini-bay windows rising behind it :eek:

And who knows what kind of "top" they'll put on this thang to try and hide the water tanks / mechanicals .... probably some boxy crud made of pre-constructed "stonish" panels.

( >> tears begin to flow, yet again << )

finnman69
August 2nd, 2006, 11:25 AM
I mean why can't this building been much shorter? I just don't get it. No consideration in good architecture or respect for other great architecture for that matter.

At least give it some setbacks to play off it's neighbors.

I could buy the vertical slab if it was done in a super slick curtainwall to play off the superior masonry neighbors, but to create the lamo bay windows and the in and out precast traingular fins in an attempt to blend in, only succeeds in highlighting how bad and out of place this building really is.

BPC
August 2nd, 2006, 11:46 AM
I agree that this building would have been fine if not for the top 20 floors. Then it just would have been lost in the crowd. There is nothing wrong with background buildings, but they should stay in the background.

Derek2k3
August 4th, 2006, 02:59 AM
http://static.flickr.com/72/199770005_13067b32b7.jpg
June 27, 2006
DMurrow's photostream (http://flickr.com/photos/murrowfamily/)

stache
August 4th, 2006, 08:24 AM
Fortunately it doesn't register much from a distance.

LeCom
August 4th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Fine Lofter, I won't post any more pics of the tower (for now, at least).

I'll post of what was there before. :)

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5792/woolworthtrans10barclayac9.jpg

I'll head back there when the sky gets better and when I stop being as much of a lazy f*ck, to take an "after" shot.

BrooklynRider
August 4th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Fortunately it doesn't register much from a distance.

From the east and west it doesn't, but from the north and south the impact is rather substantial.

lofter1
August 4th, 2006, 11:52 AM
LeCom: That is BEAUTIFUL ...

One can only guess that the existing full-block building at 50 Park Place (1960's, ~ 12 stories) will at some time come down and something will rise there to block the fugly new Barclay tower ...

Although any tall construction on the 50 Park Place site would also block the view of the Woolworth from the west.

That's what I hate about this POS -- it has imposed its ugly self from every angle with no regard to what came before.

Truly a BAD neighbor ...

stache
August 4th, 2006, 01:02 PM
50 Park is going condo.

lofter1
August 4th, 2006, 02:34 PM
50 Park Place???

stache
August 4th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Yup.

lofter1
August 4th, 2006, 03:16 PM
If its converting to residential that could be a very odd conversion -- it's a full-block building with no light / air wells. Either the units will be very large -- or very narrow as they reach from the center to the windows trying to meet the light / air requirements.

It will be interesting to see how they pull it off.

Any idea who is doing the conversion?

stache
August 4th, 2006, 09:43 PM
All I know is that's my old unemployment office and the clerk told me they were going to have to move because the building was going condo. Maybe it's going to be an office condo?

LeCom
August 4th, 2006, 09:54 PM
50 Park - now that is a fine example of a butt ugly POS.

BPC
August 4th, 2006, 11:28 PM
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5792/woolworthtrans10barclayac9.jpg

What's that POS to the rear left of the Woolworth? It is far, far fuglier than the "fugly new Barclay tower".

LeCom
August 5th, 2006, 12:43 AM
What's that POS to the rear left of the Woolworth? It is far, far fuglier than the "fugly new Barclay tower".
That building was featured in a Guggenheim exhibit. It was just a picture of the building, looking up at it. Nothin' just a picture. And apparently it was so, well, Guggenheim material, that it made it there.

lofter1
August 5th, 2006, 03:25 AM
If you're talking about the stripey one in the background to the left of the Woolworth:

That is the fuh-fuh-fuh-fuh-fugly Verizon Building that started the hullabaloo over HERE (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5261)

(definitely one of the fugliest in town)

lofter1
August 5th, 2006, 03:28 AM
Re: 50 Park Place




All I know is that's my old unemployment office ...


I remember those days ...

stache
August 5th, 2006, 05:04 AM
It was that nice older lesbian clerk with the sandy hair.

City Spire
September 4th, 2006, 04:12 PM
A recent picture...

http://flickr.com/photos/columbiansupremo/233512433/

marcat
September 4th, 2006, 08:46 PM
Here are new pics for 10 Barclay Street. Was there this past Saturday. There was a break in the rain action, so I got these. The typical floors are done, and 4 floors above them are going up. I didn't have time to get photos of the building from the Vesey Street side (I do have earlier shots from that side.) I have been following the progress of this one since December of last year, and have taken quite a few pics. I used to work across the street, in the historic Woolworth Building.

The cladding and glazing is going in on upper floors. The base still needs to be completed, though. It appears that the tower crane will be coming down soon, as the building should top out soon.

This building is very visible from the Brooklyn Bridge.

marcat
September 4th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Here are more pics, taken Sept. 2

lofter1
September 4th, 2006, 10:26 PM
It looks like this gets about 4 or 5 more floors ...

Right now they have constructed 5 floors above the upper set-back (which appears to be one beyond the liveable floors being built); the rendering seems to show the equivalent of ~ 4 - 5 floors for mechanicals above that ...

http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08/view-02-cs.JPG (http://www.sunassociate.com/currentwork-htm/work-08.htm)

londonlawyer
September 4th, 2006, 10:33 PM
Personally, I think that this building is nicer than the typical new residential tower built in Manhattan.

BPC
September 4th, 2006, 11:21 PM
I do too. Not sure why everyone hates it. It would be nice if no one ever built close to the Woolworth, but that is just unrealistic.

Alonzo-ny
September 4th, 2006, 11:23 PM
at least the park and the bridge ramp preserves the view from the east

lofter1
September 5th, 2006, 01:04 AM
Only until ^^^ they build the Gehry / Beekman / Ratner tower.

NYguy
September 5th, 2006, 09:51 AM
This tower has turned out to be a pleasant surprise for me.
It's much better than the renderings had me believe it would be. I like it!

Septermber 3, 2006

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284749/medium.jpg_http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284784/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284749/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284784/large.jpg


So much for Woolworth, at least from this angle. But with the coming WTC towers, it was going anyway.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284789/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284801/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284804/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284804/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66343016/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66284807/original.jpg

lofter1
September 5th, 2006, 03:37 PM
OY!!!

Glad YOU like it as the view of the Woolworth from that angle has been completely supplanted.

Thanks be that 2WTC will soon (?!?) block this interloper.