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ramvid01
August 18th, 2007, 11:20 PM
Although the glass may have not lived up to it's expectation that 4th picture really seals it for me. The massive base that once dominated the buildings appearance has now given way to the verticality of it. Beautiful pictures Zippy. Thank you.

sfenn1117
August 19th, 2007, 01:06 AM
It's been fascinating watching them build the crown. Not what I expected.

kz1000ps
August 19th, 2007, 02:06 PM
A quick comparison using Zippy's 4th photo. Too bad the resizing mucked up the facade:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2223/boa30cit69oy7.jpg

Tectonic
August 19th, 2007, 03:25 PM
The glass has been a disappointment, in some lights at least. The glossy look might have been better.

stache
August 19th, 2007, 03:39 PM
It looks like a bad plaid suit.

NewYorkDoc
August 19th, 2007, 04:07 PM
The glass has been a disappointment, in some lights at least. The glossy look might have been better.

It certainly would have. The actual building isn't anything special.

kz1000ps
August 19th, 2007, 04:38 PM
The glass has been a disappointment, in some lights at least.

Yeah, direct sunlight is NOT a friend to this building, and indirect lighting only makes it "ok." And I feel that the Verizon, by virtue of how boring its makeover is turning out, will make BOA's boring-ness all the more apparent.

It's funny how perfect of a fit these two are for 6th Ave. :rolleyes:

Tectonic
August 19th, 2007, 04:47 PM
I think the lobby and top might be saving graces. The lobby section looks very interesting, its just wait and see right now.

NYguy
August 20th, 2007, 09:35 AM
AUGUST 18, 2007

Perfect for the 6th Avenue canyon...

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197601/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197610/large.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197613/large.jpg

4.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197615/large.jpg

5.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197618/large.jpg

6.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197641/large.jpg

7.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197697/large.jpg

NYguy
August 20th, 2007, 09:36 AM
8.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84199869/large.jpg

9.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197775/large.jpg

10.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197832/large.jpg

11.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197859/large.jpg

12.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197862/large.jpg

13.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197865/large.jpg

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197866/large.jpg

millertime83
August 20th, 2007, 02:51 PM
A quick comparison using Zippy's 4th photo. Too bad the resizing mucked up the facade:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2223/boa30cit69oy7.jpg


The crane even seems to be the right height for the spire. Nice
comparison.

Alonzo-ny
August 20th, 2007, 08:45 PM
11 hints that the tower will look extremely tall from that angle.

ablarc
August 22nd, 2007, 07:27 AM
Perfect for the 6th Avenue canyon...
...except for that weird shape.

avm10
August 24th, 2007, 10:22 AM
It sure does look better on overcast days. It'll look top notch at night!

I'm sure the lousy-look-in-direct-sunlight effect has a lot to do with cutting down on reflections and glare towards neighbouring buildings.

econ_tim
August 25th, 2007, 01:46 PM
coming soon to a skyline near you:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7906/boaaq9.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boaaq9.jpg)

looking down sixth:

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5521/boa2mn2.th.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa2mn2.jpg)

ablarc
August 25th, 2007, 05:19 PM
Every building sets up the criteria by which it desires to be judged; a McSam, for example, wants to be judged by motel operators as a profit generator.

This building wants to be judged by connoisseurs of abstract sculpture and by urban context mavens. This means it invites comparison with Hearst, Citicorp, Time-Warner and the UN. In such distinguished company it just doesn't seem to cut the mustard.

Fabrizio
August 25th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Stache mentioned plaid suit, which is exactly the image that kept coming to my mind.

Here you can see as they construct the lapel:


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197866/large.jpg

stache
August 25th, 2007, 06:19 PM
Maybe a bow tie on top a la Pee Wee!

Derek2k3
August 29th, 2007, 12:51 PM
http://newsroom.bankofamerica.com/file.php/mr_bankofamerica/spinsite_docfiles/372/%20OBP_BACNew_air_sm.jpg (http://newsroom.bankofamerica.com/index.php?s=press_kit&item=72)
Can anyone tell me where to find a detailed section or other technical drawings/diagrams of the tower?

econ_tim
August 29th, 2007, 02:41 PM
this is the most detailed drawing that i've seen:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/41675885/large.jpg

ManhattanKnight
August 29th, 2007, 05:38 PM
A little something new today:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4910/cyn1535vh8.jpg

econ_tim
August 29th, 2007, 09:23 PM
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1923/boa3kc1.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6964/boa4ec3.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/655/boa5hn3.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1730/boa6pv0.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7045/boa7lb4.jpg

lofter1
August 29th, 2007, 10:00 PM
While we're at it ...

As seen moving up Sixth Avenue ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_30a.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_30c.jpg

And then up close ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_30d.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_30e.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_30f.jpg

lofter1
August 29th, 2007, 10:06 PM
And how they made it ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_28a.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_28b.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_28h.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_29b.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_29c.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_29d.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_29g.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_29j.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_29l.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_29n.jpg

lofter1
August 29th, 2007, 10:07 PM
And Voila! A hat ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_30g.jpg

RandySavage
August 29th, 2007, 10:18 PM
Thanks for the great update. So the shorter half's "curtain crown" is topped off.

krulltime
August 29th, 2007, 10:22 PM
Great photo lesson there, lofter1. ;)

Tectonic
August 29th, 2007, 10:29 PM
:) Nice picture story.

lofter1
August 29th, 2007, 10:52 PM
These days NYC construction sites offer the best (free or otherwise) show in town :cool:

sfenn1117
August 29th, 2007, 11:21 PM
Thanks for the pictures....everyone! The crown just keeps getting more and more interesting to watch.

JCMAN320
August 29th, 2007, 11:31 PM
I was at Liberty State Park today going for a jog and it's making a statement finally coming up from behind the ESB.

ZippyTheChimp
August 30th, 2007, 11:57 AM
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2479/boa34cyw7.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa34cyw7.jpg)

michelle1
August 30th, 2007, 07:00 PM
WOW

And how they made it ...

RandySavage
August 31st, 2007, 12:31 PM
Big impact from Hoboken:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1431/1280303811_3fbbac7df5_b.jpg

Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/

NewYorkDoc
August 31st, 2007, 02:11 PM
Nice shot. I mean, it is visible, but to me it just doesnt stand out in the skyline. It blends in.

Ed007Toronto
August 31st, 2007, 07:04 PM
Watch the Situation Room on CNN and you'll see it rising tall with the Empire State Building behind it.

lofter1
August 31st, 2007, 11:42 PM
But ^^^ I HATE Wolf Blitzer :mad:

econ_tim
September 1st, 2007, 12:51 AM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9218/rock1kr2.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8484/rock2zo6.jpg

DarrylStrawberry
September 1st, 2007, 10:07 AM
Great pics. Can someone remind me if the building is to be lit at night?

Jeffreyny
September 2nd, 2007, 12:11 AM
Nice shot. I mean, it is visible, but to me it just doesnt stand out in the skyline. It blends in.

Agreed. Nothing special from this shot and I have to squint to see it.
Couldn't we have gotten something more prominent?
All this hoopla and the building itself isn't even 1,000ft.

Derek2k3
September 2nd, 2007, 01:17 AM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1141/1297758531_08259dedd5_b.jpg
frants (http://www.flickr.com/photos/frants/)

This is tallest building we've built in 30 years. With such a large footprint, Durst could've easily added the W to the XYZ buildings.

Interesting fact is that Dubai is building a tower 3x as tall as this for nearly the same price.

NYatKNIGHT
September 2nd, 2007, 01:35 AM
^Nice!

As I was leaving the city on a train into NJ today I glanced back at the skyline miles away and clearly noticed BoA thankfully poking above the mesa. I'm grateful at least for that, and it's not quite done growing yet.

Even better is how it's popping into view from all over town with its mysterious outline. Beyond my past rants about height and lost opportunities, it's a rare pleasure to watch a tower make such an impact on the midtown skyline.

sfenn1117
September 2nd, 2007, 02:10 AM
It's just great to see a non-flat top. It's been thrilling watching the crown start to come together, and will get even better in the next few weeks.

I really think this has the potential to be one of midtown's most recognizable skyscrapers in the future, mostly because of it's unique crown. It will probably also go down as the top skyscraper built in NY this decade.

I have no complaints on this one whatsoever.

Scraperfannyc
September 2nd, 2007, 03:53 AM
I really like this building. It will be a classic.

However, my vote is for Midtown building a new signature tower more prominant than this with observation floors over 1000 feet high.

antinimby
September 2nd, 2007, 04:51 AM
With such a large footprint, Durst could've easily added the W to the XYZ buildings.Very true. Durst does seem to have an appreciation for architecture and design and for that we should be grateful.

Of course, the $650 million in Liberty Bonds that they got for this project didn't hurt either. :D

econ_tim
September 2nd, 2007, 10:01 AM
Interesting fact is that Dubai is building a tower 3x as tall as this for nearly the same price.

I don't think the construction workers in Dubai are unionized.

ZippyTheChimp
September 2nd, 2007, 08:33 PM
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5179/boa35ceh6.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa35ceh6.jpg) http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4673/boa36clj6.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa36clj6.jpg)

NYguy
September 4th, 2007, 08:30 PM
The many faces of BofA...

SEPTEMBER 2, 2007

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986712/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986755/large.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986822/original.jpg

4-5.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986856/medium.jpg___http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84986904/medium.jpg

6.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84984141/large.jpg

7.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987164/large.jpg

8.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987264/large.jpg

9.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987340/large.jpg

10.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987434/large.jpg

NYguy
September 4th, 2007, 08:32 PM
11.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987498/large.jpg

12.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983814/large.jpg

13.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987673/large.jpg

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983821/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983823/medium.jpg___http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983926/medium.jpg


15.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983823/large.jpg

16.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84983926/large.jpg

17.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987721/large.jpg

ZippyTheChimp
September 4th, 2007, 10:48 PM
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6956/boa41cok3.th.jpg (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa41cok3.jpg) http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6016/boa37cet2.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa37cet2.jpg) http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2231/boa38cuj5.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa38cuj5.jpg) http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5974/boa39cee8.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa39cee8.jpg) http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9247/boa40cag5.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa40cag5.jpg)

Jeffreyny
September 5th, 2007, 12:01 AM
awesome photos. Thank you.
Couldn't they just build up another 400ft.??????

avm10
September 5th, 2007, 01:21 PM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84987340/large.jpg

Its really to bad they spandrelled up this corner. When I was on site in March, this space (once nicknamed Bob Foxs' dining room) was a great double height space (Level 7 and 7M/8). They had to close it up though and there was a proposal to introduce new slab to take out the mezz. area. :(

The view to the park from that corner was breath-taking.

kliq6
September 5th, 2007, 02:40 PM
I don't think the construction workers in Dubai are unionized.

Plus this is a LEED building, which added 25 percent to construction cost

Ninjahedge
September 5th, 2007, 02:51 PM
One of the best shots is coming down 42nd by the , shoot I forgot the name (curved facade, like a ramp that was half buried and continues under the park...). The reflection from the cruve of the building bends towards the actual building and makes a fish-eye effect without a fish-eye.

The trees in the foreground also give it scale.....

cysthead30
September 5th, 2007, 03:02 PM
awesome photos. Thank you.
Couldn't they just build up another 400ft.??????


I agree!!!

DarrylStrawberry
September 5th, 2007, 07:52 PM
curved facade, like a ramp that was half buried and continues under the park



Grace?
http://www.wirednewyork.com/images/grace.jpg

Alonzo-ny
September 5th, 2007, 08:16 PM
awesome photos. Thank you.
Couldn't they just build up another 400ft.??????

Only if zoning was abolished

TREPYE
September 5th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Only if zoning was abolished

How did they (and Conde Nast for that matter) get away with putting up the antenna?

ramvid01
September 5th, 2007, 10:14 PM
How did they (and Conde Nast for that matter) get away with putting up the antenna?

Thats a broadcast antenna not an architectual antenna.

Jeffreyny
September 5th, 2007, 11:35 PM
Only if zoning was abolished

I know about air rights, etc. but can someone enlighten me on zoning and air rights in New York and why it's so hard to get a super tall built here?
I guess it's issues of density, etc. but I'd like a better understanding is someone cares to explain.
thanks

NoyokA
September 6th, 2007, 02:47 AM
How did they (and Conde Nast for that matter) get away with putting up the antenna?

Antennaes don't involve square feet. Conde Nast and BOFA both used they're total allowable square footage, making it impossible to say add additional storeys.

Ninjahedge
September 6th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Additional height is one thing. But, like Stern was saying, SF and occupancy is another.

Putting too high a concentration of people all in one area is nt good in that sidewalk traffic and other things would become difficult. Services such as power, sewerage and others are also dependent on this head-count.

Add to this the steady increase in cost per square foot of occupiable building space the taller you build one of these structures and you get ranges of optimal design space, acceptable, and not cost effective (would not yield enough $$ to make it worthwhile....)

So unless NY turns into a Burj Dubai where private investors allow you to build your inefficient tower of Babel, we will get what the market, and the civic statutes, demand.

econ_tim
September 6th, 2007, 09:50 PM
the skeleton of the crown on the northern side is taking shape

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2165/crown2za5.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2109/crowniz6.jpg

macreator
September 6th, 2007, 11:29 PM
So, if we can't get another 400 feet on this baby, I would settle for a skybridge between the renovated former Verizon building and 1 Bryant Park :D

One can dream, can't he? What's the zoning like on something like a skybridge?

Alonzo-ny
September 7th, 2007, 12:32 AM
id love to see a petronas style twin tower complex with a skybridge going from one block to the other over a busy NY street. It would be a much more amazing experience than petronas which has nothing really between the towers.

ramvid01
September 7th, 2007, 01:52 AM
id love to see a petronas style twin tower complex with a skybridge going from one block to the other over a busy NY street. It would be a much more amazing experience than petronas which has nothing really between the towers.

Actually there is one that I can t hink of. I think it is on the same block as the Epic and spans 33rd or 32nd street between 7th and 6th avenue I believe.

stache
September 7th, 2007, 09:10 AM
Does anyone know if that bridge is landmarked? It's one of my favorite views -

Derek2k3
September 7th, 2007, 02:57 PM
They're almost done the skeleton on the southern side now. The highest steel beam for the tower is already in place. Too bad I forgot to put batteries in my camera.

NoyokA
September 7th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Looks like the building is structurally topped out today.

Alonzo-ny
September 8th, 2007, 01:11 AM
Actually there is one that I can t hink of. I think it is on the same block as the Epic and spans 33rd or 32nd street between 7th and 6th avenue I believe.

i know but im thinking petronas height towers and bridge!!

Tectonic
September 8th, 2007, 08:30 PM
The base of the BOA Tower, some interesting balancing here:

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5562/dsc04005go2.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04005go2.jpg) http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6897/dsc04011hj3.th.jpg (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04011hj3.jpg)

Based on the renderings I assume they are going to put trees in the lobby?

Tectonic
September 8th, 2007, 09:29 PM
Wish the glass was like Comcast Center's

http://www.skyscrapersunset.com/projects/construction/comcast/images/0703-15.jpg

BrooklynRider
September 8th, 2007, 11:46 PM
Actually there is one that I can t hink of. I think it is on the same block as the Epic and spans 33rd or 32nd street between 7th and 6th avenue I believe.

There's the one on 32nd Street between Manhattan Mall and something on the next block. There is also one at 22nd Street at the Toy Center.

ZippyTheChimp
September 9th, 2007, 12:09 AM
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9090/boa42cwe7.th.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa42cwe7.jpg) http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4648/boa43ckm4.th.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa43ckm4.jpg)

One section remaining, and the crown will reach its highest point.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8991/boa44cek0.th.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa44cek0.jpg)

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6811/boa45cwy5.th.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa45cwy5.jpg) http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5660/boa46cgr9.th.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa46cgr9.jpg) http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5218/boa467pp5.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa467pp5.jpg)

Alonzo-ny
September 9th, 2007, 12:15 AM
There's the one on 32nd Street between Manhattan Mall and something on the next block. There is also one at 22nd Street at the Toy Center.

there all over new york, but not 800ft + between two supertalls.

mdw46
September 9th, 2007, 04:53 PM
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3642/36988388al4.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36988388al4.jpg)

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4963/50224843ab2.th.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50224843ab2.jpg)

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8820/89667487tn0.th.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=89667487tn0.jpg)

NYatKNIGHT
September 10th, 2007, 08:07 PM
^Taken from the Conde Nast antenna? Cool. I was wondering if the three masts (CN, BoA, Chrysler) would line up. Pretty close.

macreator
September 11th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Mr. Durst can sign me up for a small office suite on that top level :)

Derek2k3
September 12th, 2007, 06:01 AM
http://cgpartnersllc.com/images/signage/bankofamerica2.jpg
C&G Partners

http://cgpartnersllc.com/signage/bankofamerica.html

BrooklynRider
September 12th, 2007, 02:20 PM
The skeleton of the crown is topped out. As far as I'm concerned, the building is now at full height.

MidtownGuy
September 12th, 2007, 02:41 PM
the orange is a nice bright touch.

BrooklynRider
September 12th, 2007, 02:44 PM
I'm loving the subway entrance, but wish it was wider.

Alonzo-ny
September 12th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Nice sky today!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/1368638082_9d50194795_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1004/1368638752_928b176f6c_o.jpg

londonlawyer
September 12th, 2007, 08:33 PM
Handcream and a tissue, please! :D

antinimby
September 12th, 2007, 09:04 PM
The spire should be making its first appearance shortly. I'd say within the next couple of weeks.

Alonzo-ny
September 12th, 2007, 09:07 PM
Ill try to take pics as soon as i see an appearance.

Tectonic
September 12th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Looks like the top may redeem this cutting edge (pun intended) tower, after its disappointing glass facade.
Nice pictures btw.

Alonzo-ny
September 12th, 2007, 11:12 PM
Always a pleasure

RandySavage
September 13th, 2007, 01:03 PM
Great shots. Love the shape of this tower. Now the key will be a strong crown cladding... this will be very interesting to watch unfold.

Deimos
September 13th, 2007, 03:33 PM
Handcream and a tissue, please! :D

LOL...did you already run out of your handcream from 200 Greenwich?

lofter1
September 13th, 2007, 08:36 PM
I don't think there is enough handcream in all of NYC to satisfy LL ... :cool:

londonlawyer
September 13th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Awesome!

londonlawyer
September 13th, 2007, 08:59 PM
LOL...did you already run out of your handcream from 200 Greenwich?

Good one!

fioco
September 14th, 2007, 04:41 PM
At least we all know what to get LondonLawyer for Christmas!

ZippyTheChimp
September 16th, 2007, 11:06 PM
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3473/boa50cae6.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa50cae6.jpg) http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3540/boa51cnw2.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa51cnw2.jpg) http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2539/boa52cdd5.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa52cdd5.jpg) http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3940/boa53cyv7.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa53cyv7.jpg) http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6308/boa54cjn5.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa54cjn5.jpg)

lofter1
September 16th, 2007, 11:39 PM
From Houston Street ...

***

BrooklynRider
September 17th, 2007, 05:35 PM
1. http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/BoaHeightvsESB20070916.jpg

2. http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/BOAHeight-20070916.jpg

TREPYE
September 17th, 2007, 08:27 PM
From the classic views of the Brooklyn heights promenade 1BP will be almost totally blocked by the ESB.

BrooklynRider
September 17th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Sorry about the slant. I was leaning.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/DSCN0130.jpg

NYatKNIGHT
September 17th, 2007, 10:39 PM
Lots of great photos above. BR, wow, it's always great to see tremendous views like that from other buildings we can't all access, slant or not. :cool:

BrooklynRider
September 17th, 2007, 10:48 PM
Lot's of inspiration from other members posting photos here to go out and find those uncaptured views.

tone99loc
September 18th, 2007, 12:00 AM
nice pics everyone...

if only this bldg was 150 ft. higher!

Alonzo-ny
September 18th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Sometime in the future ill buy a site zoned for next to nothing and build a sky needle/ eiffel tower/ cn tower on it to satisfy everyone, no one will be able to say i didnt make the most of zoning.

Jeffreyny
September 18th, 2007, 12:09 AM
nice pics everyone...

if only this bldg was 150 ft. higher!

300 would be even nicer. It was and is time for a super tall in midtown!
What would it take for the air rights?

Alonzo-ny
September 18th, 2007, 12:10 AM
What ever happened to grand centrals unused air rights? or am i decades behind in news?

mdw46
September 21st, 2007, 01:07 PM
^Taken from the Conde Nast antenna? Cool. I was wondering if the three masts (CN, BoA, Chrysler) would line up. Pretty close.

It's from the Durst web cam mounted on 4 TS. antenna

NoyokA
September 21st, 2007, 01:18 PM
What ever happened to grand centrals unused air rights? or am i decades behind in news?


A good amount are still available, BOFA is too far away to use them though.

RandySavage
September 21st, 2007, 01:47 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1372/1415178448_202942309c_b.jpg

credit http://www.flickr.com/photos/maccarthy/

JCMAN320
September 21st, 2007, 02:44 PM
WOW What a picture!!!

SilentPandaesq
September 21st, 2007, 04:43 PM
Very nice!

HDR and Photoshop?

macreator
September 21st, 2007, 06:33 PM
Looking beautiful -- compare that to the Verizon re-clad next door :eek:

Tectonic
September 21st, 2007, 07:53 PM
Absolutely STUNNING!! LOVE IT.

Alonzo-ny
September 21st, 2007, 07:57 PM
A good amount are still available, BOFA is too far away to use them though.

Oh i know i was just wondering whatever happened to them.

czsz
September 21st, 2007, 11:40 PM
Is Bryant Park now a subsidiary of Starbucks? Those market umbrellas manage to look more corporate than the surrouding skyscrapers.

rmannion
September 22nd, 2007, 01:55 AM
[snip]
credit http://www.flickr.com/photos/maccarthy/
Incredible! If this was composed with HDR, then it'll be the only HDR photo I've ever liked.

RandySavage
September 22nd, 2007, 12:41 PM
The great part of that shot is that I don't think there's been any HDR tinkering... the sky is an unnatural blue because of the light given off by Times Square and the photographer probably used a slightly longer exposure.

Alonzo-ny
September 22nd, 2007, 01:14 PM
Glass looks amazing! verizon however

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1018/1423239299_12d6cae690_o.jpg

BrooklynRider
September 23rd, 2007, 11:27 PM
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/EighthAve24thStreet200709160316.jpg

Archit_K
September 24th, 2007, 03:09 AM
I' am definitely impressed by this... When is the topping out party? Is it maxed out? So hard to tell by those photos.

nyclovr
September 24th, 2007, 02:37 PM
Snapped this Friday 09/21/07 at 9:00am from Top of the Rock. It was a hazy day, but you can still appreciate the crown angles and building detail at BOA.

Derek2k3
September 24th, 2007, 05:08 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1414/1398300507_9027b5ce76_b.jpg
mr_quan_nguyen (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_quan_nguyen/)

It'll make a nice box-cutter.

NoyokA
September 24th, 2007, 05:14 PM
It's like my box-cutter.

Better than cookie-cutter. Although I'm not loving BOFA, the loss of the atrium is only part of my gripe with the final design. On facevalue its different, but its still overwhelmingly corporate.

Alonzo-ny
September 24th, 2007, 08:11 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1204/1434374655_26d46b25c7_b.jpg

ramvid01
September 24th, 2007, 08:37 PM
Is that the bracing for the spire going up?

nykid17
September 24th, 2007, 09:43 PM
Do you think that extension piece is for the mind turbine or the large spire?

ramvid01
September 24th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Do you think that extension piece is for the mind turbine or the large spire?

I think its for the spire since it is sitting on the higher roof of the building and there is no indication that it is on the lower roof.

Alonzo-ny
September 25th, 2007, 12:50 AM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/1436390028_4e3f8783e3_o.jpg

Its the spire.

NoyokA
September 25th, 2007, 03:05 PM
I really hope they don't build the wind-turbin too, this building is too complicated and confused as is.

avm10
September 25th, 2007, 05:03 PM
They aren't, that was value-engineered out of the project long ago.

Oh, RandySavage, thanks for posting that night picture, I knew she'd be stunning at night.

Archit_K
September 25th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Stunning indeed! What is the name of the bldg. adjacet to BOFA?

ramvid01
September 25th, 2007, 06:19 PM
They aren't, that was value-engineered out of the project long ago.

Oh, RandySavage, thanks for posting that night picture, I knew she'd be stunning at night.

Is that so, I don't remember hearing that they got rid of it. Interesting to know though.

Archit_K
September 25th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Stunning indeed! What is the name of the bldg. adjacet to BOFA?


Looking beautiful -- compare that to the Verizon re-clad next door :eek:

I knew that.

Pussy Willow
September 25th, 2007, 09:46 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture180-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture182.jpg

nykid17
September 25th, 2007, 10:08 PM
Does ne1 know by chance, if the cladding of the crown will be ne different than the buildings cladding, or will it be more of a transparent glass as shown in the renders?

avm10
September 26th, 2007, 09:42 AM
Does ne1 know by chance, if the cladding of the crown will be ne different than the buildings cladding, or will it be more of a transparent glass as shown in the renders?

Since there is no floor slab area above the 57th floor (final mech. level IIRC, its been a while :o) the glazing will not be as dark as the spandrel panels, but not clear like the vision panels. I'd assume some kind of fritted glass up there.

As for the wind turbine, it was taken away from the project as a cost savings measure. I don't know for a fact, but unless there would be significant returns on the investment, it would be blacklisted. This lack of a wind turbine should not affect the final Platinum LEED level.

Also, the adjacent building? Are you referring to Four Times Square? The other Bob Fox/Durst project?

BigMacFU
September 26th, 2007, 05:59 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1372/1415178448_202942309c_b.jpg

credit http://www.flickr.com/photos/maccarthy/

I took this shot and there is no editing, no HDR (what is that by the way) or Photoshop. I don't know if the exif data has my apeture or shutter speed settings, but I just used my 14" tripod on a bryant park table with my 5MP Sony DSC-V1 on shutter priority mode. Probably a 1-1.2 second shutter speed.

Glad you all enjoyed it and thanks for the credit Randy.

Pussy Willow
September 26th, 2007, 07:34 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture199-1.jpg

TREPYE
September 26th, 2007, 08:37 PM
;)What an awesome angle. If only the finished product could look this good.

And this extension may actually be a spire rather than a flimsy antenna or pole by virtue of its fluidity with the rest of the structure.


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/1436390028_4e3f8783e3_o.jpg

Alonzo-ny
September 26th, 2007, 08:39 PM
ANother section is up today, should be complete top out next week some time!

RandySavage
September 26th, 2007, 09:36 PM
I took this shot and there is no editing, no HDR (what is that by the way) or Photoshop.

Glad you all enjoyed it and thanks for the credit Randy.

No, thank you. It's easily one of the most stunning photos of a skyscraper I've ever seen. If you take any more of that quality we'd be obliged if you posted them here.

RandySavage
September 26th, 2007, 09:39 PM
Has anyone else noticed from that rendering^^ and the actual photos that the white, support steel is going to follow the spire up for much of its height. Think I'd prefer a standalone spire without the framing.

krulltime
September 26th, 2007, 10:28 PM
:cool: Now it wants all the attention!


September 25, 2007:

http://www.pbase.com/image/86269965.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/image/86269976.jpg

sfenn1117
September 26th, 2007, 10:30 PM
Wow, that crane placement gives a perfect idea to what the spire will look like, just about 50 feet taller. I think it'll be a good addition to the building.

JCMAN320
September 27th, 2007, 02:30 AM
Amazing pics Krulltime. Skyline will look even better with this addition then it already is now!!! I can't wait.

NYguy
September 27th, 2007, 09:06 AM
Finally gaining some recognition in the city for its height...
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-bank0927,0,7065218.story

Skyscraper shuffles height record books
Bryant Park giant to top Chrysler Building

By Andrew Lisa,
September 27, 2007


The Bank of America Tower at One Bryant Park will reshape Manhattan's skyline and force a revision of the record books that catalog the city's giants.

The 54-story building stands 945 feet tall, but tops out at 1,200 feet with the addition of an ornamental spire, inheriting the title of New York's second-tallest skyscraper. It was held by the Chrysler Building since Sept. 11, 2001, when the Twin Towers were destroyed and the Empire State Building returned to the top spot.

"The building is topped off already," said Jordan Barowitz, director of external affairs of the Durst Organization, the real estate development firm that partnered with BofA to erect the building. "The last piece of steel went in a few weeks ago and the first tenants will arrive in May 2008."

One Bryant Park doesn't break any records without its decorative spire, but the use of such a device to raise a tower's bragging rights isn't out of the ordinary.

"It's very common that some ornamental feature would raise the bar that extra bit," said Carol Willis, architectural historian and director of the Skyscraper Museum in Battery Park City. "You saw that historically, certainly with the Chrysler Building and the Petronas Towers in Malaysia, which was the first world's tallest that was not in the United States."

The erection of the twin, bridge-linked Petronas Towers was a watershed moment for architectural classification, she said.

"A different version of 'tallest' came into play with the towers," Willis said. "A controversy arose over the question of [whether] height should be measured from the top of the needle as opposed to the roof ..."

The new World Trade Center's Freedom Tower, for instance, will claim its patriotic 1,776-foot height by means of a massive antenna. The top floor will be more than 400 feet below.

"Historically, skylines change in fits and starts," Willis said. "In boom cycles, a lot of buildings are built -- and sometimes not finished -- before a crash. In good times, people build more buildings and taller buildings. We seem to be in a sort of a mini-boom."

Tall and green

At 54 stories tall, and occupying two acres, the Bank of America Tower will not only be the largest development site in Midtown, but may also be the most environmentally friendly skyscraper in the country.

Consuming much of the west side of Sixth Avenue between 42nd and 43rd streets, the building extends west down the block to the Conde Nast tower.

The site contains 50,000 square feet for the reconstructed Henry Miller's Theater, whose landmarked facade was preserved on 43rd Street.

TREPYE
September 30th, 2007, 07:50 PM
If you think about it this is the first (skyline significant) ornamental spire to be built since the ESB or 70 pine street.

http://wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/images/esb_p1_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/images/esb_p1.jpg)http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/aib/aib_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/aib/aib.jpg)

The only other tower that even attempeted at one but has not impact on the skyline is the Reuters building in Times Square.
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID106AA-01.jpg

I cannot count the Conde Nast's, or the original 1 WTC because they had antennas, not a spire. The NYTimes building I dont consider a spire because it is not fluid with the rest of the building and thus its rather simply a decorative mast plopped on top of a flat roof.
http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/4xsq/images/4times_square_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/4xsq/images/4times_square.jpg)http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/NY%20Times%20Tower/L1NYT_65h.jpg


Amazing that it took over 70 years for NYC to get a significant real spire coming out of its skyline.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/1436390028_4e3f8783e3_o.jpg

Jeffreyny
September 30th, 2007, 08:19 PM
If you think about it this is the first (skyline significant) ornamental spire to be built since the ESB or 70 pine street.

http://wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/images/esb_p1_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/images/esb_p1.jpg)http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/aib/aib_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/aib/aib.jpg)

The only other tower that even attempeted at one but has not impact on the skyline is the Reuters building in Times Square.
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID106AA-01.jpg

I cannot count the Conde Nast's, or the original 1 WTC because they had antennas, not a spire. The NYTimes building I dont consider a spire because it is not fluid with the rest of the building and thus its rather simply a decorative mast plopped on top of a flat roof.
http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/4xsq/images/4times_square_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/4xsq/images/4times_square.jpg)http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/NY%20Times%20Tower/L1NYT_65h.jpg


Amazing that it took over 70 years for NYC to get a significant real spire coming out of its skyline.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/1436390028_4e3f8783e3_o.jpg

I'm bored with spires. Why can't we get rid of some of these spires and antennas in these New York buildings and get some real height!
Between the Conde Naste, BOA, NYT seems like we have a city of broadcasting towers instead of skyscrapers.

Alonzo-ny
September 30th, 2007, 09:02 PM
then everyone whines about flat tops.

Alonzo-ny
September 30th, 2007, 09:03 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1330/1464755411_496a680a36_o.jpg

BrooklynRider
October 1st, 2007, 12:07 AM
No spires. No flat tops. I want CROWNS & tiaras.

Alonzo-ny
October 1st, 2007, 12:35 AM
BOA is a step in the right direction.They really maxed out everything, big floor heights big crown big spire. and its not just a box.

Archit_K
October 1st, 2007, 01:11 AM
Hehe, BOFA LEEDs the way... The spire is said to reach 1,200ft. in the air. Krulltime, great night pics!

cysthead30
October 1st, 2007, 11:19 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1330/1464755411_496a680a36_o.jpg

This picture is awesome....it really shows how dense the Manhattan skyline is......rows and rows of skyscrapers. :)

Alonzo-ny
October 2nd, 2007, 12:02 AM
Just for you

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1325/1470288887_e767e38504_o.jpg

Derek2k3
October 2nd, 2007, 08:56 AM
If you think about it this is the first (skyline significant) ornamental spire to be built since the ESB or 70 pine street.

http://wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/images/esb_p1_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/landmarks/esb/images/esb_p1.jpg)http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/aib/aib_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/aib/aib.jpg)

The only other tower that even attempeted at one but has not impact on the skyline is the Reuters building in Times Square.
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID106AA-01.jpg

I cannot count the Conde Nast's, or the original 1 WTC because they had antennas, not a spire. The NYTimes building I dont consider a spire because it is not fluid with the rest of the building and thus its rather simply a decorative mast plopped on top of a flat roof.
http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/4xsq/images/4times_square_s.jpg (http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/4xsq/images/4times_square.jpg)http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/NY%20Times%20Tower/L1NYT_65h.jpg


Amazing that it took over 70 years for NYC to get a significant real spire coming out of its skyline.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/1436390028_4e3f8783e3_o.jpg
The Reuters Building has an antenna. Don't see how the sloping angles on BofA's roof extension give its spire more credibility than the Times. Spires are about further expressing the vertical thrust of the tower and look how apparent that is in that NYTT photo.

Alonzo-ny
October 2nd, 2007, 11:11 AM
I would also put it out there that the functional look of the conde nast antenna could be considered a design element because of the futuristic/tokyo style crown of the building.

Ninjahedge
October 2nd, 2007, 01:48 PM
Guys, FYI, try not to repeatedly quote the same large post w/o trimming it down a bit! We see the pictures! We do not need to see them 3 times in 5 posts!


Anyway, Jeff, height is one thnig, but there are rules. I liek teh fact that they maxed out their usable square footage, gave an interesting non-rectangular facade, and a "spikey" roof that does not resemble 4TS (which looks like a giant tatoo-needle) or any other industrial spike. It is not the BEST spire, but it is not just a Verizon antenna on top of a big wine-bottle gift box! ;)

stache
October 2nd, 2007, 08:07 PM
Let's try to save Edward some bandwidth $. (Maybe he'll throw a swanky party for us from the dividends!)

Archit_K
October 3rd, 2007, 12:36 AM
Guys, FYI, try not to repeatedly quote the same large post w/o trimming it down a bit! We see the pictures! We do not need to see them 3 times in 5 posts!


Anyway, Jeff, height is one thnig, but there are rules. I liek teh fact that they maxed out their usable square footage, gave an interesting non-rectangular facade, and a "spikey" roof that does not resemble 4TS (which looks like a giant tatoo-needle) or any other industrial spike. It is not the BEST spire, but it is not just a Verizon antenna on top of a big wine-bottle gift box! ;)

Ahh, 4TS more like a syringe needle than a tattoo needle. :P

http://www.madehow.com/images/hpm_0000_0003_0_img0169.jpg

Pussy Willow
October 7th, 2007, 07:54 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture113-1.jpg


:)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture116-1.jpg


;)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture115-2.jpg

Ninjahedge
October 9th, 2007, 09:48 AM
Ahh, 4TS more like a syringe needle than a tattoo needle. :P

http://www.madehow.com/images/hpm_0000_0003_0_img0169.jpg

To me it looks my like a mechanical stylus. A big clunky almost sci-fi looking head with all the ads on it, with a small needle on top.

I was imagining a mechanical device in that ad zone that would move the needle up and down, either tatooing portions of the skyline, or sewing it shut.

I just don't really like it. Like the BoA a bit more, but it is not truly integrated. I would say that it has been altered to blend a bit better though. It still does not look integrated, but it does not look like something just stuck on the top of a building to transmit cell-phone signals.

BrooklynRider
October 9th, 2007, 02:17 PM
The spire looks to be halfway up (looking out my office window, right now.)

Pussy Willow
October 9th, 2007, 04:17 PM
here it is ...another section added.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture122-1.jpg:)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture127-1.jpg

Alonzo-ny
October 9th, 2007, 08:00 PM
5 sections there when i left work.

Derek2k3
October 9th, 2007, 09:19 PM
From last Thurs..

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2306/1527528640_8ca9d3f62a_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2119/1527528652_1d5c45133e_o.jpg

czsz
October 10th, 2007, 12:41 AM
Hmm...what's going on in the foreground there?

Derek2k3
October 10th, 2007, 12:49 AM
855 Sixth Avenue
http://www.winick.com/web%20effect%20splash%20page.jpg


http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13178&page=2

lesterp4
October 11th, 2007, 01:24 AM
I was at 9th ave and 42nd and glanced toward BofA and the spire is really noticeable and is very substantial.

Pussy Willow
October 13th, 2007, 07:34 PM
erection of spire....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture150-3.jpg

Tectonic
October 14th, 2007, 11:33 AM
Wow it looks huge...

Citytect
October 14th, 2007, 12:35 PM
Looks like they modified the design of the spire from what is seen in the renderings. Or they chose not to show the horizontal connections between segments of the spire in those renderings. They're somewhat distracting, interrupting the vertical thrust.

I really liked the spire as depicted in the renderings.

czsz
October 14th, 2007, 01:02 PM
Huh. It's bulky. Or is that just some kind of support scaffolding...?

avm10
October 14th, 2007, 10:41 PM
It's looking a bit bulky right now, but I'm sure once the curtain wall is complete at the top of shop, it'll look better.

From what I recall, that is the final look of the spire.

RandySavage
October 15th, 2007, 01:23 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/1565812969_f8a094ec7b_b.jpg

credithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/

lofter1
October 15th, 2007, 01:31 AM
Nice ^^^ however ...

The POS "Epic" obliterates the Chrysler from that angle :mad:

CHAPINM1
October 15th, 2007, 02:48 AM
Nice ^^^ however ...

The POS "Epic" obliterates the Chrysler from that angle :mad:

Don't worry, someday a taller and much better building is bound to obliterate the Epic... ;)

cysthead30
October 15th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Wow it looks huge...

Thats what 'she' said.

Tectonic
October 15th, 2007, 06:54 PM
LOL! DAMN IT! I can't escape my brother does that to me all the time.

TREPYE
October 15th, 2007, 08:10 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/1565812969_f8a094ec7b_b.jpg

credithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/


Nice ^^^ however ...

The POS "Epic" obliterates the Chrysler from that angle :mad:

Dude...Just shift a few feet to your left and the view will be A-OK ;)


That silhouette shot is gonna be in credible in a few months. :):D

Pussy Willow
October 15th, 2007, 10:54 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture151-2.jpg

Tectonic
October 16th, 2007, 12:39 AM
The spire looks like an Oil rig, ironically on top of a LEED Platnum building.

lofter1
October 16th, 2007, 12:41 AM
Just shift a few feet to your left and the view will be A-OK

I'm now standing three feet to the left of my monitor and the F***ing Epic is STiLL blocking the Chrylser :mad:

What do you suggest now, Mr. Know-it-all :confused: ;)

RandySavage
October 16th, 2007, 01:18 AM
The spire looks like an Oil rig

Any chance the oil rig will be clad in glass? I'm starting to get a little nervous about the BOA "spire" after having flashbacks to the most unforgivably horrendous scarring of an otherwise superb crown:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4c/266px-Bloomberg.JPG

TREPYE
October 16th, 2007, 01:27 AM
I'm now standing three feet to the left of my monitor and the F***ing Epic is STiLL blocking the Chrylser :mad:

What do you suggest now, Mr. Know-it-all :confused: ;)

I meant from the actual picture site stoopidehead:D;)

Tectonic
October 16th, 2007, 01:39 PM
Any chance the oil rig will be clad in glass? I'm starting to get a little nervous about the BOA "spire" after having flashbacks to the most unforgivably horrendous scarring of an otherwise superb crown:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4c/266px-Bloomberg.JPG

^^ Oh Man! that was such a disappointment! Great building I think but terrible Spire/Antenna.

Pussy Willow
October 16th, 2007, 11:15 PM
taken from my yacht this morning....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture160-1.jpg

;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture161-2.jpg

TREPYE
October 16th, 2007, 11:41 PM
Any chance the oil rig will be clad in glass? I'm starting to get a little nervous about the BOA "spire" after having flashbacks to the most unforgivably horrendous scarring of an otherwise superb crown:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4c/266px-Bloomberg.JPG

What they did here was truly digusting.:mad::rolleyes: That has to be one of the most tastless touches I have ever seen done to a tower. Its so out of place!! How does the developer/architect look at that and not want to hide their faces in shame? Terrible.

RandySavage
October 17th, 2007, 12:01 AM
^IMO, it is THE worst blemish on the entire New York City skyline. Bloomberg could and should be a beautiful addition to the skyline, but now I can't look at this building without wincing. I don't suppose there is any chance that antenna might come down some day.

scumonkey
October 17th, 2007, 12:22 AM
That bottom shot is S W E E T ...thank you PW!

Pussy Willow
October 17th, 2007, 12:28 AM
thanks..if you only knew how i got that shot you wouldn't believe it!!!

TREPYE
October 17th, 2007, 12:32 AM
^ Do tell.....

millertime83
October 17th, 2007, 02:19 PM
looks like you held the camera up to binoculars

GreenwichBoy
October 17th, 2007, 02:35 PM
A construction crane accident is being reported at 42 Street at Sixth Avenue -- at a building near Bryant Park. At least one person has been injured. Stay tuned for details...

From 1010wins.com

BrooklynRider
October 17th, 2007, 02:39 PM
From my office window, I see the cranes at BOA are still up.


October 17, 2007, 1:20 pm
Crane Accident Reported in Midtown
By Sewell Chan

Preliminary news reports suggest that a crane accident has occurred in Midtown Manhattan, at Sixth Avenue and 42nd Street. The Bank of America Tower at One Bryant Park is being built at the northeast corner of that intersection, but it is not clear whether the collapse involved that construction site.

BNN, a news service that monitors police, fire and emergency radio transmissions, reports that the crane was lifting some concrete when debris fell and damaged part of a wall. Emergency medical workers are on the scene; it is not clear if there are any injuries. The Times has sent reporters to the scene; we will update this post as we know more.

ramvid01
October 17th, 2007, 02:39 PM
The traffic camera on the site shows the verizon building with the street being cordoned off and a few fire trucks and fire deputies there.

http://www.wcbs880.com/Midtown-Crane-Accident/1101134

matteofi
October 17th, 2007, 02:53 PM
Construction Accident Reported in Midtown

By Sewell Chan (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/schan/)
A window frame that was being lifted this afternoon from the 25th floor to the 50th floor of the Bank of America Tower at One Bryant Park (http://www.durst.org/i_prop.asp?propertyid=12), which is being built at the northeast corner West 42nd Street and the Avenue of the Americas. The frame struck and pierced a sidewalk shed, and incredibly, one was injured.
BNN, a news service that monitors police, fire and emergency radio transmissions, had initially reported that the crane was lifting some concrete when debris fell and damaged part of a wall. Emergency medical workers were sent to the scene. The Times has sent reporters to the scene; we will update this post as we know more

scumonkey
October 17th, 2007, 03:44 PM
UPDATE, 2:15PM: 1010 Wins reports (http://www.1010wins.com/Debris-Falls-From-Building-in-Midtown--Six-Hurt/1101212) six minor injuries and confirms that a dumpster on a crane hit the building. It ended up on a landing 20 feet above street level, "spraying shards of glass that ended up on 6th Avenue between 42nd and 44th streets."

Jeter
October 17th, 2007, 05:09 PM
It looks like at least two windows were smashed, and at about 3:50 a worker from the inside of the building was taking a broom or a stick and "cleaning out" the frame of the windows.

In the process, he was showering glass all over 6th Avenue. Quite a sight and sound (like chimes as the glass hit the building and the street)...

NYguy
October 17th, 2007, 06:20 PM
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-crane1018,0,2265031.story

Falling glass injures seven in Midtown

http://www.amny.com/media/photo/2007-09/32824265.jpg

By Justin Rocket Silverman
October 17, 2007


A busy midtown street turned into a horror show Wednesday afternoon after a debris bucket fell off a crane and plunged down 53 stories, leaving seven people injured, a carpet of glass covering Sixth Avenue, and panicked office workers running down the sidewalk.

Officials are on the scene investigating the cause and cleaning up, leaving 6th Avenue closed to cars from 35th to 46th Street, with sidewalks closed between 41st and 44th street. 42nd street is closed in the immediate vicinity of Sixth Avenue.

The Fire Department says the accident happened at 1 p.m. at One Bryant Park, the site of the Bank of America Tower currently under construction at 42nd Street and Sixth Avenue.

Deputy Chief John Sudnick said a bucket full of construction debris was being lowered on the crane, which rises to the top of the 54-story crystalline skyscraper.

Something snapped or broke and the bucket plummeted to the street below, landing behind the scaffolding of the Bank of America building.

"We determined it hit parts of the building, and took a lot of glass down with it," Sudnick said.

A woman who works across the street in Bryant Park said she heard "a huge crash, and everyone went running away from the building."

Seven people--four construction workers and three pedestrians--were left with minor cuts, Sudnick said.

"We have a good amount of glass on the struts holding the crane onto the building," Sudnick said, which means streets are likely to remain closed during rush hour.

Firefighters are going window-by-window inside the Bank of America tower, testing the glass and using sledgehammers to knock out those which may have been damaged.

"I walked by a few minutes after it happened and saw a bunch of people getting taken away in ambulances. I guess when glass is coming down, you better get indoors fast," said Kyle Moody, 24, of Middletown, Connecticut.

The building is scheduled to open in 2008 and will serve as Bank of America's headquarters. It will be the second-tallest in Manhattan, behind only the Empire State Building.

Ninjahedge
October 17th, 2007, 10:45 PM
Beat me to it.

Saw it on the way home tonight:

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1733198020071017

BigMac
October 18th, 2007, 11:27 AM
AM New York
October 17, 2007

City halts work on Bank of America building after accident

By Justin Rocket Silverman

City officials halted work Thursday on the Bank of America building after a falling debris bucket Wednesday rained glass and debris onto Sixth Avenue, injuring eight people.

The city will not let work resume, Deputy Buildings Commissioner Robert LiMandri said, until construction manager Tishman Construction Corp. provided a detailed report on the accident and how to prevent future mishaps.

A Tishman spokesman did not immediately return a telephone message about the city's order early Thursday.

The debris bucket came loose from a construction crane and plummeted 53 stories from the almost completed Bank of America building, smashing windows and sending a hailstorm of glass onto the street.

Four construction workers and four pedestrians suffered minor cuts, but there were no serious injuries reported.

A stretch of the avenue from 35th to 46th streets was closed for hours after the 1 p.m. accident, as glass was cleared from the asphalt and off the side of the building. The accident occurred at the new Bank of America building construction site, at the northwest corner of 6th Avenue and 42nd Street.

FDNY Deputy Chief John Sudnick said a bucket full of construction debris was being lowered on a crane, which rises to the top of the 54-story crystalline skyscraper. Something snapped or broke and the bucket plummeted to the street below, landing behind the scaffolding of the Bank of America building.

Fire officials could not say how big the debris bucket was.

"We determined it hit parts of the building, and took a lot of glass down with it," Sudnick said.

Hours after the incident, firefighters could be seen inside the building, knocking out panes of glass they found damaged and in danger of shattering. The sound of breaking glass continued long into the afternoon.

The city's Department of Buildings, which is investigating the accident, said the building itself and the large crane along its side were structurally sound.

"I walked by a few minutes after it happened and saw a bunch of people getting taken away in ambulances. I guess when glass is coming down, you better get indoors fast," said Kyle Moody, 24, of Middletown, Connecticut.

With Jamshid Mousavinezhad

Copyright © 2007, AM New York

antinimby
October 18th, 2007, 06:48 PM
Shoot, more delays. Fire the knucklehead(s) that caused this.

TREPYE
October 18th, 2007, 08:14 PM
I guess it was going too smooth. And it was just starting to get really good with the addition of the spire. :-/

LeCom
October 18th, 2007, 08:56 PM
****ing redneck junkie baseheads that usually (though not always, by far) compose the bulk of the construction force piss me off to no end (thanks to professionals like these we had 130 Liberty claim firefighters' lives, a steel beam crushing several workers on the street during TWC construction, etc), but the situation will not change. We won't be seeing any PhD yuppies loading buckets of concrete on construction sites. So I guess the only real solution to commonplace worker apathy are harsher municipal fines, so construction sites will have no choice but to hire no-compromise Nazi hardasses that will oversee workers and kick the ass of anyone who decides to shoot some rocks at the site, rather than sitting down right next to the guy and asking him for a fix.

lofter1
October 18th, 2007, 09:15 PM
****ing redneck junkie baseheads that usually (though not always, by far) compose the bulk of the construction force ...

LeCom, I didn't know you worked construction :cool:

NoyokA
October 18th, 2007, 09:24 PM
****ing redneck junkie baseheads that usually (though not always, by far) compose the bulk of the construction force piss me off to no end (thanks to professionals like these we had 130 Liberty claim firefighters' lives, a steel beam crushing several workers on the street during TWC construction, etc), but the situation will not change. We won't be seeing any PhD yuppies loading buckets of concrete on construction sites. So I guess the only real solution to commonplace worker apathy are harsher municipal fines, so construction sites will have no choice but to hire no-compromise Nazi hardasses that will oversee workers and kick the ass of anyone who decides to shoot some rocks at the site, rather than sitting down right next to the guy and asking him for a fix.

Iím not a big fan of labor-unions either, I think they have too much power, are generally overpaid and certain members donít always pull their weight, but youíre statement is overly absurd and inaccurate. It shows that you have little knowledge of the construction labor union; youíre about as likely to get a red-neck on a NYC construction labor union as you are to get minorities in certain sub-contracting unions, these unions typically pool from the neighborhood where they originated and are generally kept all in the family. Iím sure the sub-contractors for BOFA are all from the NY region, hence no rednecks. People donít get PhDís to become construction workers and whoís to say this would prevent accidents, the DB site was negligence, but accidents are going to naturally occur in construction. Also the Department of Buildings is very strict; it applies harsh fines and shuts down sites for extended amounts of time, every day the BOFA site is shut down Durst is losing an insane amount of money in paying construction wages and losing rent. While I have complaints against the construction labor union, there strong point is there competency, the crack smoking red-necks (although more often Mexicans) might be found on non-union construction projects, where incidentally accidents are far more regular, for a project like BOFA it almost becomes cost-beneficial to higher union labor and have a generally accident free construction, which it has had.

BrooklynRider
October 18th, 2007, 09:53 PM
Shoot, more delays. Fire the knucklehead(s) that caused this.

That would be Tishman, the CM. They had the tragedy at Conde Nast and now this one. Literally back to back accident sites.

JerryP
October 18th, 2007, 10:10 PM
That would be Tishman, the CM. They had the tragedy at Conde Nast and now this one. Literally back to back accident sites.

Some years ago I read that the WTC was CMed by Tishman and there were some 60+ fatalities associated with that little project. Yes Virginia, unions have power.

lofter1
October 19th, 2007, 12:53 AM
To correctly blame these construction accidents on labor unions one wouold have to be able to point out that there are no accidents on non-union jobs. Which is not true.

The more interesting fact about this particular accident is the time at which it occurred: almost immediately following the lunch break.

antinimby
October 19th, 2007, 02:16 AM
That would be Tishman, the CM. They had the tragedy at Conde Nast and now this one. Literally back to back accident sites.Did they get sued for the death of that tourist?

investordude
October 19th, 2007, 03:06 AM
I can't stand labor unions but I think its managements job to run the site safely. Labor unions can be fairly blamed for a lack of inclusiveness, xenophobia corruption, and for creating excessive construction costs.

But if anything, I would image safety would be worse without the unions. They are the ones most likely to die in a construction accident, after all, so I think they are more likely to demand safety than a non-union site with more desparate workers would.

Pussy Willow
October 19th, 2007, 07:32 AM
mmmm I guess we have our own "oil rig" in midtown manhattan now!!! :mad:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture171-3.jpg

http://vodkaneft.ru/img/oil-rig.jpg

http://vodkaneft.ru/img/oil-rig.jpg (http://vodkaneft.ru/img/oil-rig.jpg)

BrooklynRider
October 19th, 2007, 02:47 PM
Did they get sued for the death of that tourist?

The death caused by the Conde Nast elevator collapse was in the Woodstock Hotel across the street. A steel beam pierced the roof and basically speared a woman in her apartment. Tishman, et. al. were sued, not sure of the outcome.

antinimby
October 19th, 2007, 07:54 PM
^ Yeah, need the threat of lawsuits to keep 'em honest. With that said, I think the industry has gotten very safe over the years and accidents are bound to happen because people are not perfect and will make mistakes.

Everyone involved in this project (including the city) dodged bullet with this incident. A bathtub-sized metal container falling 53 stories could have killed.


mmmm I guess we have our own "oil rig" in midtown manhattan now!!! :mad:No need to get so upset. There may be some resemblance to those oil rigs but there's nothing wrong with that. Not all spires/antennas should be the same and having a variety of styles actually makes the skyline more interesting.

Besides, people will eventually grow accustomed to it just like we have to Conde Nast. I remember how many people hated it when they first installed that but try to imagine the building without it now and how weird it will look?

Citytect
October 20th, 2007, 11:11 AM
It is kind of annoying to see two major design elements on this building end up not being executed as advertised. First the wedge shaped atrium at the upper portion of the building all but disappeared. And now the spire is turning out to be much clunkier than what the renderings show. It's still a nice building though. Just not what could have been - the typical New York style these days.

NewYorkDoc
October 20th, 2007, 01:16 PM
The glass is a big disappointment. It just doesn't look like anything special to me.

cysthead30
October 20th, 2007, 06:42 PM
The glass is a big disappointment. It just doesn't look like anything special to me.

I like the design of this building but I think it would've looked far more impressive if different glass was used. I think the type of glass used for Comcast Center in Philly would've been perfect.

BigMac
October 20th, 2007, 09:48 PM
Michael Surtees on Flickr
September 22, 2007

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1181/1424352492_3b6b88f381_b.jpg

michelle1
October 20th, 2007, 11:05 PM
I like the design of this building but I think it would've looked far more impressive if different glass was used. I think the type of glass used for Comcast Center in Philly would've been perfect.

Yeah it would! Comcast Center has two different types of glass, one is highly reflective, while the other is mostly transparent.

MidtownGuy
October 20th, 2007, 11:17 PM
That glass sucks, and I can't forgive the loss of the wedge shaped light closet that would have faced the park. Look, don't get me wrong, I appreciate this building for its non-rectangular facets but they really fumbled the ball. The light closet would have been a major presence in the area at night. Shame shame shame. I's like giving someone a shrimp cocktail wthout the sauce, yeah it's nice but something totally important is missing.

Derek2k3
October 20th, 2007, 11:40 PM
Despite the shape, it still looks corporate. Perhaps it's the glass.

kz1000ps
October 21st, 2007, 04:34 AM
It's totally the glass. I keep thinking of Bear Stearns' tower and its buttoned-up pinstripe suit when I look at this one. And while that's not exactly an insult, I wouldn't exactly say the BS tower is worth mimicking, either.

Alonzo-ny
October 21st, 2007, 09:06 PM
From my penthouse

michelle1
October 21st, 2007, 09:40 PM
Nice shot alonso

Alonzo-ny
October 21st, 2007, 09:47 PM
I try my best

ZippyTheChimp
October 22nd, 2007, 06:53 AM
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1566/boa55csx6.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa55csx6.jpg) http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2641/boa56chk5.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa56chk5.jpg)

Ninjahedge
October 22nd, 2007, 11:30 AM
I think it is a mutual responsibilty to keep projects sites safe.

But, as was pointed out earlier, the CM and owner lose LOTS of $$ each day this project runs. The faster they can finish, the more money can be saved/made.

So, there is a balance point. You do not "craft" a building anymore. It would be too expensive. No hand carvings, no hand laid masonry courses, very little artisan work, mostly pre-fab. But also, a push for more "efficient" construction.

Now, there isn't much of an actual incentive to the workers for finishing stuff up sooner or working harder (just look at public works, with OT paying you more to do things slower, why work harder?). You try to rush things that will get things done faster without too much additional work. You do not check everything like you are supposed to. You do not question something that looks wrong. You just get it done. Fast enough to satisfy the boss, but not so fast that the owner thinks you asked too much on your bid and you will not be able to get it at the same $$ on another job.

So you forget to check the bearing point of the cable that supports the tub to see that it is fraying. Or you do not make sure that the hooks are all latched. Whateevr the reason for that bucket dropping was, someone did not check for it before it was being hauled on that crane.




As for the windows. I do not think they are bad, they just are not good. Kind of boring actually.

And, sadly enough, I think the old Verizon facade would have looked better sitting next to it with its texture and high-contrast color scheme (white verticals on black windows) than this plain boring green box they are making it now.

I hope the windows look batter when finished and cleaned, but I am not expecting much.

ramvid01
October 22nd, 2007, 11:45 AM
The shape really makes a difference in this building, but I am a bit disappointed not so much in the lack of quality of the glass which I think is fairly high but instead the color chosen. It seems more grey/green than blue. I wish it had been more of a blueish hue than anything.

NYguy
October 22nd, 2007, 02:54 PM
OCTOBER 21, 2007

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693900/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693925/large.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693951/large.jpg

4.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693960/large.jpg

5.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693964/large.jpg

6.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693979/large.jpg

7.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693988/large.jpg

NYguy
October 22nd, 2007, 02:55 PM
8.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87693997/large.jpg

9.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87694006/large.jpg

10.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87694013/large.jpg

11.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87694018/large.jpg

12.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87694024/large.jpg

13.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87694031/large.jpg

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87694038/large.jpg


Bonus: the Chrysler approves...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/87694268/large.jpg

antinimby
October 22nd, 2007, 07:56 PM
I think I've said this before but imagine if this one had 7WTC's glass instead. I mean, wow.

econ_tim
October 23rd, 2007, 05:00 PM
I really like picture #5. That perspective may become the "classic" view of this skyscraper.

Tectonic
October 27th, 2007, 12:48 AM
Here are some photos of the work inside The BoA Tower on 10.25.2007:

Under floor ventilation ducts
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568317.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568317.jpg)

Working on one of the trading floors
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568322.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568322.jpg)

Example of the raised floors
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568319.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568319.jpg)

Lobby walls
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568313.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568313.jpg)

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568311.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568311.jpg)

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568310.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568310.jpg)

Tectonic
October 27th, 2007, 12:48 AM
Lobby Floor
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568312.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568312.jpg)

Theater
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568326.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568326.jpg)

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568328.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568328.jpg)

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568325.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568325.jpg)

Wall of the public passageway from 42nd to 43rd Street to Open 04.2008
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568349.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568349.jpg)

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568331.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568331.jpg)

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568330.jpg (https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568330.jpg)

antinimby
October 27th, 2007, 01:24 AM
Wow, good job Skylimitone. How did you managed to sneak in there without being stopped?

By the way, did you get a glance at how the subway entrance is coming along?

Tectonic
October 27th, 2007, 02:48 AM
Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find....? LOL just kidding, I was fortune enough to be part of a tour. They were extra cautious because of the accident last week so that took away some steam. The subway entrance is on schedule as part of the lobby & public areas which should be done in Spring 2008. Keep in mind that part of the project is in conjunction with the MTA.

avm10
October 27th, 2007, 11:30 AM
Excellent shots of the interior :). The lobby stone wall looks pretty good. I was hoping the progress would be farther along inside the theater, did you get anymore pics of the HMT?

The focus is getting the trading floors ready, and by the looks of it... its almost there, especially if the RAF's are going in.

Alonzo-ny
October 27th, 2007, 12:46 PM
How was that raised floor? Did it feel hollow underneath?

Tectonic
October 27th, 2007, 12:55 PM
It is actually pretty solid, the plates they are using are quite solid, its a sorta plastic and the supports are pretty close. This build has a lot of new technologies and new techniques hence the 1.2 billion dollar price tag. Its a very unique interesting project. They have a lot of work to do.
Avm10 I have a few more pictures of the theater, not much different from the one above, it was kinda dark in there.

kz1000ps
October 27th, 2007, 01:45 PM
How was that raised floor? Did it feel hollow underneath?

Shoot, I was going to ask that!

Citytect
October 27th, 2007, 01:48 PM
It seems like they chose random spots to start installing the glass on the Verizon tower. I wonder why.

Alonzo-ny
October 27th, 2007, 02:02 PM
its almost complete to the top i think, verizon.

Citytect
October 27th, 2007, 02:31 PM
^What about the bottom half of the building?

Alonzo-ny
October 27th, 2007, 04:37 PM
Cant tell from the view at my office but from what i can tell on pics ive seen online its unfinished.

ZippyTheChimp
October 27th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I really like picture #5. That perspective may become the "classic" view of this skyscraper.Yup, it doesn't look fat from W43rd St.

ablarc
October 27th, 2007, 05:37 PM
I can't warm to this building. I find it both boring and ugly.



Devoid of inspiration. The shape means nothing.



(Definitely better than what was there before.)

TREPYE
October 27th, 2007, 06:39 PM
Devoid of inspiration. The shape means nothing.


You speak of irrationality when you talk about the Chrysler, yet here we have something that looks very much irrational. It has a stange asymetrical design but each side has these dramatic cuts and angles and its topped by the audacity of a spire. The shape predictably commemorates the old crystal palace that burned down in the 1900's- a tower shaped like a diamond, or a quartz. That seems kinda inspirational to me :). Yeah the glass is an unfortunate screw up, but the uniqueness (or irrationality) of the design makes up for that to some extent, I think. Far from perfection but much farther from a failiure IMO.

avm10
October 28th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Shoot, I was going to ask that!

And I helped detail it! :) Based on what I understood from the drawings and specs, its going to be a very solid RAF.

MidtownGuy
October 28th, 2007, 01:12 AM
Almost everyday I'm walking down 42nd street and the thing I really like is the dialogue between the swoop of the Grace building and the angled cuts of BOA. It's a new classic view and many, many people stop to take pictures with their cell phones or whatever. Clearly this building has a presence, and that's something to truly be thankful for. It may not be a '10' due to unfortunate choices in glass (and a bit too short and squat from some angles for my taste), but I like it.

Regarding the light closet that ran up the side in renderings...the other day I was looking closely at the floors in that section and it seemed like something different was happening there on the inside, something different about the ceiling and sides, but hard to verbalize because I could barely make out the details...will there be a lighting extravaganza after all?

I hope this project, Hearst, IAC, etc. help usher in a phase in NYC wherein the boring box is no longer acceptable to high-profile companies who want to generate excitement and be a cut above. Bring back crowns, set backs, curves, grand lobbies, public spaces. Bring back civic pride, even if it costs a little more.

Speaking of which, will the public be able to enter the forested lobby of this baby?

Tectonic
October 28th, 2007, 01:19 AM
Not sure about the lobby, but the space between BoA and 4 Times Square will be public. Its a pretty spacious area and will have a bamboo ceiling and Tera Cotta walls, should be interesting.