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MidtownGuy
October 28th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Nice. Thanks.

Alonzo-ny
October 28th, 2007, 02:03 AM
Any lobby is public if you can run fast enough.

ZippyTheChimp
October 28th, 2007, 03:55 PM
Regarding the light closet that ran up the side in renderings...the other day I was looking closely at the floors in that section and it seemed like something different was happening there on the inside, something different about the ceiling and sides, but hard to verbalize because I could barely make out the details...Here it is.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1005/boa57ckk9.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa57ckk9.jpg)

Lobby taking shape.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1305/boa58cvr0.th.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boa58cvr0.jpg)

antinimby
October 28th, 2007, 05:17 PM
Keep in mind that part of the project is in conjunction with the MTA.Well then that just means it will be overbudget and delayed. ;)

By the way, the space in that theatre appears to be very tiny. I've always had the impression that it would be larger.

BrooklynRider
October 28th, 2007, 05:49 PM
This is from two weeks ago. I've been a little lazy with uploading pictures.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/EighthAve24thStreet200709160511.jpg

Tectonic
October 28th, 2007, 06:51 PM
Well then that just means it will be overbudget and delayed. ;)

By the way, the space in that theatre appears to be very tiny. I've always had the impression that it would be larger.

You said it I didn't, that subway thing....sigh. Anyways the theater is small it holds around 700 if I remember correctly, less than a thousand.

lofter1
October 28th, 2007, 07:37 PM
Which ^^^ is the perfect size for a play (rather than a mega-musical).

BrooklynRider
October 28th, 2007, 11:00 PM
That'll be a hundred seats larger than the Biltmore, which is hands down the best new (okay, restored) Broadway Theater. That'a very nice size. I hope this one comes along as nicely. I think we can look for high quality here. It's one of the most exciting aspects of the project (for me.)

avm10
October 29th, 2007, 10:57 AM
It will be very high quality in the HMT, terracotta wall cladding in the public corridors along the sides of the theatre, restored architectural artifacts throughout from the original building

There will be 1000 or so seats (unless some have been deleted, which I doubt).

As for the enclosure at the corner there, you can clearly see the partitions built and the light coves.

ManhattanKnight
October 29th, 2007, 11:10 AM
At the time of its (interior) demolition, HMT had 950 seats.

MidtownGuy
October 29th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Yes I see the enclosure clearly, hooray and thanks Zippy for the picture!!
That's going to look fantastic.

avm10
October 29th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Any lobby is public if you can run fast enough.

I was thinking about that. The lobby will be a pretty neat place. There is a definite focus on public traffic in the OBP lobby. With the urban garden room on the 6th Ave side, the pedestrian walkway between 4TS and OBP as well as the retail and banking center on 42nd street and other retail areas, people will be able to freely move about the lobby. It will be nothing like 7WTC Lobby (where public area is so restricted, despite being very sexy.)

The only area the public will not be able to access is the lobby core and the escalator to the BoA floors starting at level 2. C+F and Adamson Associates detailed some pretty cool security measures (glass fins+turnstiles) to control traffic and ensure security.

I hope the lobby desks end up being as nice as they were designed to be (around this time last year)

RandySavage
October 29th, 2007, 06:56 PM
This pano by RFC Graphics is almost too good to be real. I can't tell if it's been digitally manipulated, but, if not, BofA stands out nicely.

http://rfcgraphics.com/request/Purple%20ESB%206i.jpg

Alonzo-ny
October 29th, 2007, 07:05 PM
Holy smokes!!

antinimby
October 29th, 2007, 08:35 PM
Hey, NY Times' spire looks lit up. :)

kz1000ps
October 30th, 2007, 02:53 AM
^ Amazing pano. Hard to top it, but these pics come close.

Taken by SSP member innov8:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5258/nyconebryantparkbofatowhl1.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7517/nyconebryantparkbofatowcw8.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3598/nyconebryantparkbofatowex1.jpg

Tectonic
October 30th, 2007, 10:15 AM
Fat building ain't it? The Oil rig soars higher.

Ninjahedge
October 31st, 2007, 08:48 AM
Fat?

Come on!

It is pretty well proportioned. It would definitely look better as a taller/slimmer building, but given the lot size, cost factors and zoning I think it is quite nice!

And enough with the Oil Rig comparisons. It bears a slight resemblance to an oil rig. But I, for one, so not picture an offshore oil drilling platform when I look at this.

Tectonic
October 31st, 2007, 09:31 AM
Looks like an oil rig to me, not saying I don't like it. Thats what it looks like in my eyes. Given the height of the spire, the design not unreasonable, quite logical.

Alonzo-ny
October 31st, 2007, 10:37 AM
The oil rig thing never registered with me either, not an issue. Hopefully the rest of the support structure will look like the renders.

MidtownGuy
October 31st, 2007, 11:42 AM
There will be a taller, slender rod protruding from the 'oil rig' that should minimize that resemblance. Though the spire looks stunted and flat-topped now, it will become more elegant.

MidtownGuy
October 31st, 2007, 11:46 AM
Also, the renderings show white blinds in the windows that will make the stripes in the glass look less severe.

tone99loc
October 31st, 2007, 10:49 PM
^^
Whatup Chris!

...I'm crossing my fingers that the glass treatment at the very top will do wonders for the overall aesthetic...And glad to hear that white blinds might mitigate the plaid suit effect!

Alonzo-ny
October 31st, 2007, 10:57 PM
^ Amazing pano. Hard to top it, but these pics come close.

Taken by SSP member innov8:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5258/nyconebryantparkbofatowhl1.jpg



Hints at the sexiness of the completed shape.

stache
November 1st, 2007, 03:42 AM
Seeing shots like this makes me miss the old twin towers -

CHAPINM1
November 1st, 2007, 05:50 PM
You are preaching to the choir, please don't remind us... :(

However; five years from now this view will be better than ever!!! :D

TallGuy
November 2nd, 2007, 09:41 AM
Seeing shots like this makes me miss the old twin towers -

Yeah, and you got me thinking how the view from this vantage point will look in 2011. Am I correct in thinking we'll be looking at the new 1WTC (obviously) and 2WTC (presumably), but that 2WTC will obscure both 3 and 4WTC? Hopefully 1WTC will also obscure the hideous proposal for 5WTC.

lofter1
November 2nd, 2007, 10:26 AM
From the view point in the photo above 2WTC will be more likely to block whatever goes up at 5WTC.

Optimus Prime
November 2nd, 2007, 11:15 AM
Won't the Extell Diamond Tower loom in that shot?

NYatKNIGHT
November 2nd, 2007, 11:55 AM
^^You'd probably see WTC Tower 3 - the three towers along Church St. aren't in an exact line. Disregarding the floors at the base, tower 2 stands closer to Greenwich St. while towers 3 and 4 are closer to Church.

RandySavage
November 2nd, 2007, 01:01 PM
Anybody else getting the feeling that after the highest level of windows are installed, the remainder of the skin will be the white "fritted" glass going solidly all the way to the top? Or do you think they will try to continue the striped motif up in the crown?

Alonzo-ny
November 2nd, 2007, 01:16 PM
I doubt it, if you look at the night render view from esb it looks solid white, but that may be clear glass illuminated or white glass i wouldnt try to guess.

RandySavage
November 2nd, 2007, 02:48 PM
I'm thinking it will be something like this:
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/BrooklynRiderRob/EighthAve24thStreet200709160356.jpg

Photo by BrooklynRider

avm10
November 3rd, 2007, 11:15 AM
The glass at the top of building will be clear glazing panels, there may be a slight frit to it, as for percentage frit, IIRC it will be minimal.

Alonzo-ny
November 4th, 2007, 12:40 PM
This is a 1181' tower in dubai, the crown isnt resolved as well but its shape reminded me of the BOA and what it could be if it were taller.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5010/imresolt181en3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7676/imresolt182rt0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6092/imresolt193nc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5189/imresolt194si4.jpg

By imre solt

NoyokA
November 4th, 2007, 12:49 PM
That's not a bad looking building. I think it looks better than BOFA.

Alonzo-ny
November 4th, 2007, 03:32 PM
They are very similar, i think if boa were streched that extra bit it would have been amazing i guess you can blame zoning for that. I prefer BOA glass, seems higher quality.

antinimby
November 4th, 2007, 06:04 PM
I'm thinking it will be something like this:That'll be good. At least when it's opaque, then people can't tell the crown is basically hollow space.

Alonzo-ny
November 4th, 2007, 06:26 PM
Hmm, seems you are implying something about the tower appearing taller than it should be for its occupied height, even though its zoning doesnt allow it to be any higher. Would you have prefered a 850' flat top? and they could have made larger square floorplates too dropping the height further? I just dont get the point of your pessimistic posts.

antinimby
November 4th, 2007, 06:41 PM
alonzo, you are becoming a very annoying person here. Seems like you are just trying to be confrontational and combatitive.

At which point in my post above did I say or even imply any of the BS with the "flat top/zoning/occuppied height/larger floor plates..." that you just said?

By the way, knowing how this will end up going. I can save the rest of us of having to endure another long winding back and forth on what I said, and then what you are interpreting it as.

Unless you have anything worthy to discuss, please stop with your BS posts right now.

Alonzo-ny
November 4th, 2007, 06:49 PM
, then people can't tell the crown is basically hollow space.

This, along with your overly negative posts implies what i said. I seem combative to YOU and i take the same issue with you, especially after your conduct in the NYC v Chicago thread which i received as a personal attack. You might want to look in the mirror before you talk about me writing bs when you constantly put your negative bs out there which we are forced to read.

Generally if someone finds someone else combative but no one else does you might want to consider your attitute to find the source of our disagreements before piling all the fault on me.

stache
November 4th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Would you consider agreeing to disagree?

antinimby
November 4th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Folks, please pardon this. I promise this will not go on any longer than this post (at least my part of it).

alonzo, I said you are combative and surprise, surprise you come back to say that I am the one who is. In all our dialogues, you are always the first to instigate them. Just like this last example. I was replying to Randy and you come with this "you are implying this and that" garbage. I NEVER responded to you. Go find a quarrel between the two of us that I even responded to you first. Go luck with that one.

I don't respond to you because I find most of what you say to be nonsense. I may be on the pessimistic side but I have a right to be. You on the other hand feel as if you need get all authoritative and put anyone you don't feel all cheery and happy with New York's development environment in their place. You are happy with all the new developments in this city. Good for you. I am happy for you.

As for that Chicago vs. New York thread, I invite anyone who even cares (which I doubt many do) to go there and see who was insulting who. I was purposely being restraintful with you there. You were the one calling me stupid and dumb. I took the higher road and didn't bother with the name calling with you and am continuing to do so.

Therefore, before you respond with more false accusations here, just know that I am not going to respond any further as this will only get this thread even more OT, all thanks to you once again.

Alonzo-ny
November 4th, 2007, 07:47 PM
Folks, please pardon this. I promise this will not go on any longer than this post (at least my part of it).

Very good make yourself out as the good guy.



alonzo, I said you are combative and surprise, surprise you come back to say that I am the one who is.

You are yet to prove you are not


In all our dialogues, you are always the first to instigate them.

You ask me to troll through threads for evidence then you can do the same. I can remember two direct communications with you and in the Chi v NYC thread you blatently made me out as a JCMan type character even though i explained perfectly otherwise. you had no base there either it was personal



I don't respond to you because I find most of what you say to be nonsense. I may be on the pessimistic side but I have a right to be. You on the other hand feel as if you need get all authoritative and put anyone you don't feel all cheery and happy with New York's development environment in their place. You are happy with all the new developments in this city. Good for you. I am happy for you.

Thats your opinion and you do have the right. I have the right to comment on your comments which are pessimistic and basically bombard everyone with negativity. I have had NO problems with anyone else on this forum and have many good intelligent discussions with many here. I have every right to tell you i dont want to hear what you have to say.


As for that Chicago vs. New York thread, I invite anyone who even cares (which I doubt many do) to go there and see who was insulting who. I was purposely being restraintful with you there. You were the one calling me stupid and dumb. I took the higher road and didn't bother with the name calling with you and am continuing to do so.

Well saying I am the NY equivalent to JCMan is more offensive than had you called me stupid. This may be an intelligent, educated forum but that doesnt mean calling someone stupid is wrong, especially when you continue to push something that has been explained otherwise twice previously as wrong.


Therefore, before you respond with more false accusations here, just know that I am not going to respond any further as this will only get this thread even more OT, all thanks to you once again.

Again trying to make me out as a bad guy.

This post just shows me how conniving you are. This whole post you try to paint yourself as high and mighty and me as the bad guy. Well you are the one bombarded me with insulting untrue comments in the chicago thread despite me stating a less biased opinion over and over. You are acting like i have been bully to you for a long time when i have had two direct interations with you more than one post that i remember. You can try and sweet talk the forum into thinking your the good guy in all of this which i find shallow and i find you pretty disgusting in your actions.

scumonkey
November 4th, 2007, 08:18 PM
I didn't know there was a full moon out tonight?!
http://www.stargazing.net/david/moon/moonrise20050917/DSCN8205b600x600d1.jpg

kz1000ps
November 4th, 2007, 11:08 PM
Anti, Alonzo: private messages were created for times like these.


That'll be good. At least when it's opaque, then people can't tell the crown is basically hollow space.

You said "that'll" as if Randy's guess is a fact. Just want to make it clear that according to avm10's description we're going to get the clear glass, sans fritting. But I'm still hoping it'll be opaque, because like you said it'll make it look taller.

stache
November 5th, 2007, 12:35 AM
PM time.

antinimby
November 5th, 2007, 02:09 AM
You said "that'll" as if Randy's guess is a fact. Just want to make it clear that according to avm10's description we're going to get the clear glass, sans fritting. But I'm still hoping it'll be opaque, because like you said it'll make it look taller.I did not say what he said was a fact.

All I said was that IF that was the case then it'll just make the hollow space up there not easily seen. I also did NOT say it will make it look taller.

People, you've got to read carefully before misinterpreting what someone had said in your own way.

avm10
November 5th, 2007, 09:27 AM
In my opinion, when I first saw this building, it had a real futuristic theme to it, and based on Dursts' desire for a environmentally sustainable building (shooting for LEED's platinum), futuristic seemed to be a great design theme. By making the glass visible at the top, it will have that transparent element that will hopefully be pretty remarkable.

By going opaque, it may seem taller, but wont' do anything for the design. I think the spire would look a bit silly if it was hidden behind opaque glazing panels at the TOB.

I don't like using this rendering as it is over 5 years old, and the corner condition at 42nd/6th is inaccurate, but, you can see the glazing above is clear. Its been a while since I've seen c/w drawings, but I'd assume the intention is to go with clear glazing.

http://cgpartnersllc.com/images/signage/bankofamerica1.jpg

-from C&G Partners website

dtolman
November 5th, 2007, 10:29 AM
First time I've seen the building in months... I was really shocked how much it blended into the canyon of buildings on 6th - maybe its visible from afar, but it doesn't seem any taller than its neighbors up close and personal. Maybe when the reclad it in 40-50 years, it'll look better...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2266/1874151576_54abec67f8_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15775240@N02/1874151576/) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2125/1874168796_33d530f1bf_m.jpg ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/15775240@N02/1874168796)

NYguy
November 5th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Hard to believe we've come from the "excitement" of this:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/41597477/medium.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/35998794/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/48327631/medium.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/50226999/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/55772187/medium.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/57203285/medium.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/57743317/medium.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/70858709/medium.jpg

____________________________

To this! How time flies....

NOVEMBER 3, 2007

Note that the occupied space looks to be closer to 900 ft, not the
800 so many people think...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88492052/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88492077/original.jpg

michelle1
November 5th, 2007, 05:14 PM
By going opaque, it may seem taller, but wont' do anything for the design. I think the spire would look a bit silly if it was hidden behind opaque glazing panels at the TOB.

Good observation avm

kz1000ps
November 5th, 2007, 06:21 PM
I did not say what he said was a fact.

All I said was that IF that was the case then it'll just make the hollow space up there not easily seen. I also did NOT say it will make it look taller.

That'll is a conjunction of that will, meaning "that WILL be good," as if it's a given reality that will happen. I brought it up because I wanted to make sure you understood that having an opaque crown most likely wasn't the case.. that's all.

And no you didn't say it was taller. Mentally I took it another step from "it won't look like hollow space" to being "it will look taller".... so yeah those were my words, not yours.

stache
November 5th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Which, with any luck, will draw this particular topic to a good conclusion.

nyclovr
November 13th, 2007, 04:06 PM
I am out of state and must live my NYC architectural life vicariously through your camera's eyes. Cheers.

antinimby
November 14th, 2007, 01:57 AM
^ No pics but how 'bout some news instead? ;)

Looks like the wind turbine up top won't happen, at least according to this recent story (http://newyork.construction.com/features/archive/2007/11_cover.asp) (lengthy piece so I'm only posting the relevant part here) :


...During a year-long period, Durst tested wind patterns with the prospect of installing wind turbines on a second smaller spire on the roof. The test showed, however, that New York, unlike windy Chicago, does not have consistent winds between 6 and 12 mph necessary for efficient turbine generation.

“We have a lot of wind but we have many days over 12 and under 6,” says Cook.

Now, on to some leasing news...


Al Gore Moving Into Douglas Durst’s One Bryant Park



http://observer.cast.advomatic.com/files/imagecache/article/files/Breaks-AlGore2H.jpg


by Eliot Brown
Published: November 13, 2007 (http://www.observer.com/2007/al-gore-moving-douglas-durst-s-one-bryant-park)

Al Gore will be taking an office downstairs from developer Douglas Durst, as his investment firm Generation Investment Managementis planning a move from its Washington, D.C., offices to the Durst Organization’s Bank of America Tower.

“It’s just a decision that we’ve taken lately that the very best place for us to be positioned for our clients and our business is New York City,” said Peter Knight, the president of the American operations of Generation Investment Management.

The firm, created in 2004 in a partnership between Mr. Gore and former Goldman Sachs CEO David Blood, manages equity in socially conscious investments, currently overseeing about $1.5 billion.

Their firm is small—its Web site says it employs 27 people—though Mr. Knight said it expects to grow in coming years. As such, they’ve agreed to take about 5,000 square feet in the tower at One Bryant Park, which is scheduled to open in 2008. The tower is seeking the environmentally prestigious LEED Platinum sustainability rating, which the Durst Organization says would be a first for a high-rise.

Generation Investment Management is based in London, and its U.S. offices have been based out of Washington since the company began.

“We think the nexus between London and New York is a powerful one for investing in global equities,” Mr. Knight said.

The deal leaves Mr. Durst with just one floor to be leased in the tower—floor 37—as Generation Investment will take space on floor 48, which had not been advertised as available. Mr. Durst’s office will be on floor 49, a Durst spokesman said.

Perhaps the entrance of Mr. Gore will provide the lure for a tenant to pay the high price for Mr. Durst’s final floor, said to be asking about $185 a square foot.

Copyright ©, The New York Observer, L.P.

Tectonic
November 14th, 2007, 05:54 AM
^^ No surprise there. When I saw that his firm was looking I wondered why they weren't one of the first tenants to sign up at OBP. The rent is deadly though $185 per sq ft. WOW:eek:

econ_tim
November 14th, 2007, 09:37 AM
sorry no pics, but it hasn't changed much since the construction accident. i think they have been working on the interiors of the lower floors and that's about it.

lofter1
November 14th, 2007, 08:35 PM
De-craning at B of A ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a20.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a22.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a23.jpg

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lofter1
November 14th, 2007, 08:42 PM
Some up-top shots ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a12.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a29.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a32.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a30.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a31.jpg

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antinimby
November 14th, 2007, 09:46 PM
Hey, there is some progress after all. The building looks so much more cleaner with one less crane and also brings us one step closer to completion.

Tectonic
November 15th, 2007, 12:47 AM
OMG!!!! I MISSED IT!!!, one at least. SOMEONE TOLD ME ITS DONE MAINLY ON WEEKENDS.:mad::(:confused:

lofter1
November 15th, 2007, 01:33 AM
They probably are aiming to get the Sixth Avenue lanes re-opened before the Holiday Crush starts next week.

Now if they'd only settle the Stagehands contract so Broadway can get back to work -- and the visitors can leave more cash behind ;)

avm10
November 15th, 2007, 09:07 AM
Thanks for the updated pictures lofter1, nice to see at least one of the cranes on the way down.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_43a30.jpg

It'll be really trippy for an individual to look out these windows from inside the building and have the building slide up and away on their left. :p

millertime83
November 15th, 2007, 10:35 PM
some more of the crane coming down on Saturday

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5153&d=1195184111http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5154&d=1195184117

Tectonic
November 15th, 2007, 11:24 PM
AWWW Great keep rubbing it in. :(

krulltime
November 21st, 2007, 08:57 PM
By therach488 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16972749@N08/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2205/2049988541_29e0ff703a_b.jpg

Alonzo-ny
November 21st, 2007, 09:22 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2039/2053358509_a5d2fce9f6_o.jpg

Crappy pic of verizon but i wanted to see the comparison.

tone99loc
November 21st, 2007, 10:31 PM
^^ nicely done 'zo - I guess I prefer the reclad just because it's kind of cool to have a colorful building on 6th avenue like that, it reminds me of CNA Plaza in Chicago, except green:

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=117052

kz1000ps
November 21st, 2007, 10:36 PM
It may very well be a crappy pic, but I didn't notice the Verizon until I read your comment. I think the image looks great, and that version of the Verizon is much preferrable to the junky green giant we're getting.

Edit: I only wish the reclad looked as good as CNA Plaza, which has articulation of its form. The reclad to me is like someone who speaks in monotone - boring from beginning to end (or in this case, top to bottom).

pianoman11686
November 21st, 2007, 11:31 PM
At this point, I think a good old-fashioned black glass facade (a la Olympic Tower) would have worked much better.

stache
November 22nd, 2007, 07:01 AM
I'm a little surprised that people are so afraid of color.

Citytect
November 22nd, 2007, 12:14 PM
I think the color is fine, but the reclad still sucks. More all-glass walls rising straight up. With the Bank of America building towering over it and the vertical stripes removed, it looks really stumpy.

A green CNA Plaza would be great - though I think I'd prefer the red of the original.

kz1000ps
November 22nd, 2007, 12:18 PM
^ Exactly. I don't like the green used here, but much worse is the sheer glass wall that leaves it looking like a horrid design from 30 years ago. The green just accentuates its mediocrity.

TREPYE
November 22nd, 2007, 01:29 PM
Boy, that glass is total botch job on the part of the architect. The more I look at those stripes the more annoyed I get:rolleyes:. Unlike the NYTimes Tower they are much more uniform through out the building. They almost had this down to a perfect design. This should have been a solid color. May it will fare better in 30 yrs when its time to change the glass.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2039/2053358509_a5d2fce9f6_o.jpgo

ManhattanKnight
November 23rd, 2007, 11:22 AM
Derrick up-creep resumed today . . .

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7650/cyn1729alq1.jpg

producer
November 23rd, 2007, 02:16 PM
According to wikipedia
"A derrick is a lifting device composed of one mast or pole which is hinged freely at the bottom. It is controlled by (usually 4) lines powered by some such means as man-hauling or motors, so that the pole can move in all 4 directions.
Another kind of derrick is used over oil wells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_well) and other drilled holes. This is generally called an oil derrick and is a complex set of machines specifically designed for optimum efficiency, safety and low cost".
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Kilgore_WorldsRichestAcre_061607.JPG

krulltime
November 24th, 2007, 07:15 PM
This one seems a little older, but nice one.

By 416style (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sookie/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2059700461_8be63634f5_b.jpg

NewYorkDoc
November 24th, 2007, 09:15 PM
Krulltime thank you for sharing those pics with us.

scumonkey
November 25th, 2007, 04:29 PM
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/bofa.jpg

MidtownGuy
November 25th, 2007, 04:58 PM
That's a flattering angle.

kz1000ps
November 26th, 2007, 11:40 PM
11/25/2007

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2670/dscf0150zn4.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7765/dscf0151ab7.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2189/dscf01581hl1.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/407/dscf0166oh3.jpg

the through-block passageway

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6993/dscf0176fn6.jpg

and the lobby

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5483/dscf0179op5.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/959/dscf01641fr7.jpg

sfenn1117
November 26th, 2007, 11:59 PM
I love the first picture, good eye

NYguy
November 27th, 2007, 10:28 AM
NOVEMBER 24, 2007

Like a giant Christmas tree...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/89508829/medium.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/89508835/medium.jpg

Connection to the Conde Nast building...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/89508843/medium.jpg

scumonkey
November 27th, 2007, 05:11 PM
late today
times sq.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb276/scumonkey/bofaTS.jpg

Tectonic
November 27th, 2007, 06:13 PM
^^ The ugly side.

Optimus Prime
November 27th, 2007, 06:58 PM
Is the glass different on different facets of the building, or is the difference in shading due to the way the sun hits the building?

scumonkey
November 27th, 2007, 07:03 PM
the sun

ZippyTheChimp
November 27th, 2007, 07:09 PM
The glass is different on the corner that faces Bryant Park.

scumonkey
November 27th, 2007, 08:19 PM
For real? Can you please point it out to me on a pic?
I walk by there everyday and can't believe I missed that!

kz1000ps
November 27th, 2007, 09:49 PM
The overall difference is subtle, but notice how the spandrels on the corner plane are much thinner. I wish it was more pronounced, but the nighttime lighting should accentuate it.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2189/dscf01581hl1.jpg

TREPYE
November 27th, 2007, 11:09 PM
Say does anybody know if the train station under this tower is gonna connect the Bryant Park train station with the Times Square station???:confused:

stache
November 27th, 2007, 11:35 PM
Subway map shows it connecting with the #7 5th. Ave station, you would have to take that to Times Sq. -

The Rosey Observer
November 27th, 2007, 11:50 PM
The developer built a passage way from the B,D,F,V and the TS subway station. The MTA needs to make the connection between the passage way and the TS subway station. The question is when will the connection be made, because from my understanding is that MTA will need cross the GCT shuttle tracks.

antinimby
November 28th, 2007, 02:37 AM
If the MTA's involved, the rule of thumb is take the most conservative date and add ten more years onto that and then you'll arrive at a fairly accurate finish date. ;)

chris
November 28th, 2007, 05:52 AM
Just an FYI-

I linked to this monster BofA thread in a recent post to my blog:

http://GigantiCo.squarespace.com



P.S.
I don't post here often these days, but I still drop by somewhat regularly for a quick read.

stache
November 28th, 2007, 06:41 AM
but there are many underground passageways between stations that have been sealed off over the years because of safety issues. I'm wondering how many of our members remember a famous case of an unfortunate woman, I think in the early 1990's that was walking down a passageway during rush hour (I think it was in Grand Central(?) and was pulled into a refrigerator box and raped while people within mere feet walked by. While this was a horrible event, the town is so much safer now that my feeling is these passageways could be opened up again safely but then of course the MTA would have to pay to clean and maintain these areas once again. For example I remember when the 14th. St. passageway between 7th. & 8th. Aves. was closed down. Grrrrrr.....

NYguy
November 28th, 2007, 10:01 AM
http://www.observer.com/2007/my-what-big-spire-durst-s-one-bryant-park-become-city-s-second-tallest-building

My, What a Big Spire—Durst’s One Bryant Park to Become City’s Second-Tallest Building

by Eliot Brown
November 27, 2007

Move over Chrysler Building, a new player is assuming the No. 2 position on the New York City skyline.

With a growing spire at its top, Douglas Durst’s glass-clad Bank of America tower at One Bryant Park plans to surpass the Chrysler Building’s 1,048 feet this week, according to a Durst Organization spokesman. That will put it second only to the 1,250-foot Empire State Building (with its radio antenna, the Empire State Building reaches more than 1,450 feet). The uncompleted spire, as of Tuesday, stands at 1,037 feet, the spokesman said.

Of course, given that a building’s height is traditionally measured at the “structural top” of a tower (which includes spires but not radio antennas), it certainly helps Mr. Durst that he opted to build an unusually tall spire of more than 250 feet. The top of the 54-story building, spire not included, is 945 feet, according to the Durst Organization.

For Mr. Durst, the fun won’t last all that long. The Freedom Tower, expected to be completed in 2012, plans a spire reaching 1,776 feet, and World Trade Center Tower 2 is designed to exceed 1,200 feet.

Bob
November 28th, 2007, 08:42 PM
Got a close-up look at BofA today...this tower is a real disappointment. First, the curtain wall is boring...the glass chosen for this tower is NOT attractive, at all. Second, the tower doesn't really present itself well along the line of buildings that run north all the way to the X Y Z group. It doesn't stand out. It doesn't look all that much taller than Conde Nast. It certainly is a HUGE building, but oddly proportioned. (Whatever that trend was ran about three months, methinks.) Lastly, the confusing mix of curtain wall designs at the base is, well...confusing. For all the big bucks at the disposal of BofA, I think they could have pulled off something more interesting. But, I must admit, this building is superior to the motley mix of low-rises that were on this block previously.

lofter1
November 28th, 2007, 10:14 PM
From Sixth Avenue / 17th Street:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_44c.jpg

It's now neck to neck, as seen from 25th Street:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_44d.jpg

From up close on 43rd:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_44k.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_44l.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_44o.jpg

And from 40th near Fifth:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_44s.jpg

***

michelle1
November 28th, 2007, 10:58 PM
I Love America Flag

antinimby
November 29th, 2007, 04:13 AM
So I'm assuming the Stop Work Order has been lifted and all work is now allowed to proceed?

ablarc
November 29th, 2007, 07:15 AM
Got a close-up look at BofA today...this tower is a real disappointment. First, the curtain wall is boring...the glass chosen for this tower is NOT attractive, at all. Second, the tower doesn't really present itself well along the line of buildings that run north all the way to the X Y Z group. It doesn't stand out. It doesn't look all that much taller than Conde Nast. It certainly is a HUGE building, but oddly proportioned. (Whatever that trend was ran about three months, methinks.) Lastly, the confusing mix of curtain wall designs at the base is, well...confusing. For all the big bucks at the disposal of BofA, I think they could have pulled off something more interesting. But, I must admit, this building is superior to the motley mix of low-rises that were on this block previously.
Bob, my thoughts exactly.

lofter1
November 29th, 2007, 10:42 AM
There are construction offices on the 43rd Street side a few floors up from the street which now have some interior lights ...

With that interior light the glass takes on an entirely different look from what is now seen. Much whiter, milkier, yet aglow -- the building becomes dimensional.

Seems we have here another case of judging the glass somewhat prematurely (echoes of prior discussion in reards to the glass at the Times Tower).

kz1000ps
November 29th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Judging a building prematurely, us?

Nawww, never!

BigMac
November 29th, 2007, 02:11 PM
McGraw-Hill
November, 2007

Iconic

One Bryant Park: The Next Phase of Green Construction

New Bank of America Tower is looking to raise the bar for green building.

by Alex Padalka

http://newyork.construction.com/images/2007/0711-Bank-of-America-render.jpg

A crystal 56-story tower with a multi-faceted facade is rising up across from Manhattan's Bryant Park to join an already busy skyline. But One Bryant Park is not your standard high-rise.

In addition to a progressive yet historically referenced design and a combination of a steel core and a concrete shell to lighten the tower, the building marks the next phase of green building in New York. In a city where certain unscrupulous builders tout green credits by hitting the minimum to achieve a basic LEED rating, the 2.2-million-sq-ft tower has served as a veritable testing ground for experimental green methods and is poised to become the very first LEED Platinum high-rise in the country.

“[One Bryant Park] is transforming the marketplace,” says Richard Cook, principal at New York's Cook + Fox, the architects of tower.

The tower's design inspiration stretches back to 1853, when the Crystal Palace erected inside Bryant Park for the World's Fair became the very first metal and glass building in the country. The palace, directly inspired by the London Crystal Palace of 1851, was a hit: according to Cook, Mark Twain called it "beautiful beyond all description.” Walt Whitman described it as "gladdening the sun and sky" in “The Song of the Exhibition”, a poem entirely dedicated to the palace. Its light construction, as well as its first-ever addition of automatic emergency elevator brakes, has paved the way for high-rises making up the iconic skyline of Manhattan.

The Crystal Palace burnt down just six years after completion, but Cook + Fox have picked up on the structure's pioneering spirit. To take advantage of the views of Bryant Park and the nearby Empire State Building but to avoid trampling on pedestrians' views, they spiraled the tower to expose more facets, sloped it after the 21st floor to reduce the tower's upper profile, and incorporated several setbacks, with green roofs, to allow more air and light on the street. A 250-ft rooftop spire brings the total height to 1,200 ft. On ground level, the team is adding a public plaza three times the size required by the site's zoning and an Urban Garden Room at 43rd St. and 6th Ave., as well as new glass-enclosed subway entrance at the corner of 42nd St., and a mid-block entrance on 42nd St. Below ground, a pedestrian walkway will link the B,D,F lines to the Times Square station.

Think Huge

At two acres, the tower's development site along the west side of 6th Ave. between 42nd and 43rd Streets is now the largest in Manhattan. The 70-ft dig ended up as the biggest hole in Midtown, according to David Horowitz, senior vice president on the tower for Tishman Construction Corp., the New York-based construction manager on the project – and one that has subway tunnels all around it.

On a 90,000-sq-ft footprint, the tower averages 70,000 to 80,000 sq ft on the first five floors, shrinks to 36,650 sq ft thereafter, and slopes inward toward 25,000 sq ft by the 51st floor. Even incorporating a material-saving design that combines a steel core with a concrete shell, to bring this monolith up, the team needed 25,000 tons of steel, 68,000 cubic yards of concrete for the superstructure, 18,000 cubic yards for the foundation, and 6,500 tons for reinforcing steel. The 86,000-unit curtain wall was further complicated by the spiraling shape of the tower. “Typically, you'll have thirty guys installing it. Here, we had two hundred,” says Horowitz.

An added layer of complexity came from the schedule: work on the building’s interior commenced as construction on the overall building was still going up. Design elements such as concrete stairwells and elevator shafts allowed time savings by eliminating the need for future dry-wall installation. But coordinating so many trades, combined with constant coordination with transportation officials, and the incorporation of an on-site LEED supervisor, made the project a “team sport”, according to Ross.

A Broadway Classic

The tower is going up literally on top of the 1918 Henry Miller Theater, with a landmarked neo-Georgian facade. To preserve the facade, the team had to “surgically” demolish the inside of the building, prop it up with rock ties and underpinnings, and extensively monitor vibrations during demolition and excavation for the main tower. The theater will be updated for the 21st century, with restoration of the 50,000-sq-ft space, increased capacity of 1,000 patrons, ADA accessibility, a new lobby bar, ground-floor cafe, and mezzanine-level restaurant.

Real LEED

LEED elements such as natural lighting, interior automatic light and CO2 sensors, low-VOC finishes, local sourcing, and the use of recycled and recyclable materials have by now become de facto for any high-profile project in the U.S., and the tower incorporates them all. But that wasn’t enough for the team behind One Bryant Park, a 50-50 joint venture between the Durst Organization, which developed what many consider the first green high rise in America at 4 Times Square, and Bank of America, which intends to move its trading floors into the tower but is adamant on also reducing its worldwide greenhouse emissions by 7 % by 2008.

The tower boasts an under-floor air ventilation system, only the second modern skyscraper after the recently completed New York Times Tower to use this method, brought back from earlier, more efficient ways of ventilating buildings once without the benefit of electricity. All storm and waste water is captured and recycled in a sophisticated gray water system, estimated to reduced potable water use by 50 % and divert up to 95 % of storm water from the city's sewers. A thermal storage system will produce ice during off-peak electricity times for the cooling system. The most advanced addition is the 5 megaWatt co-generation plant located in the cellar.

Many of the LEED technologies, says Joseph Ross, executive vice president with Tishman, have been tested and implemented on the construction firm's previous projects - from the new 7 World Trade Center, to the Reuters Building and Condé Nast buildings Tishman constructed with Durst at 3 and 4 Times Square. “We looked at photovoltaics, higher efficiency glass, fuel cells, recycled and recyclable content – when therewas no LEED,” he adds.

Likewise, One Bryant Park is more than racking up LEED points. The team not only considered but tested the newest green technologies, according to Richard Cook.

“Everything was explored,” he says.

During a year-long period, Durst tested wind patterns with the prospect of installing wind turbines on a second smaller spire on the roof. The test showed, however, that New York, unlike windy Chicago, does not have consistent winds between 6 and 12 mph necessary for efficient turbine generation.

“We have a lot of wind but we have many days over 12 and under 6,” says Cook.

The team considered photovoltaic panels and even a anaerobic digester plant to convert food waste from the building's cafeterias into electricity – and while these elements proved cost prohibitive or were left up to the tenant, the tower's design allows for later additions of all three elements.

The team went beyond what was necessary for the LEED rating, according to Cook. For example, Durst's Amanda Klotz, assigned to oversee LEED compliance, watched concrete trucks being washed off right on the street and devised a settlement tank system to prevent concrete debris from washing into the city's sewers. There are no LEED points for this, yet.

Tishman, in turn, decided to implement LEED construction across the board, making it the responsibility of each team leader to work out the necessary steps on the construction site with the crew and the material vendors.

“Each of the trades had to come up with a program to meet the requirements. We made an effort to go to faults to get people on board with this thinking,” says Horowitz. “It was an educational process in doing business – not just something to do. The intent was not to short-circuit it.”

Ross points out that LEED on low-VOC finishes only extends to large gallon containers – while it would have been easy to simply ship by quart instead of by gallon, Tishman insisted on no such short cuts.

As with any new technology, some green elements were met with opposition. The waterless urinals, for example, were a hard sell, both to the skeptical public – rumors circulated in the financial community that no million-dollar investment banker will stoop down to it – and to the trades that thought they would lose pipe work as a result.

“But in a building like Bryant Park, with a recycling system, there's tons of work for plumbers,” explains Jordan Barowitz, Durst's director of external affairs. “And the idea that we flush our toilets with potable water here in New York City used in much the rest of the world for drinking should give us pause as well.”

The team's thinking behind the LEED elements was intended to take the concept of green construction from environmental responsibility to simply good practice and cost efficiency. Feasibility studies, for example, show that the 5mW co-gen plant will pay for itself in just five years. Such calculations, however, are not new in LEED design – what is different is extending efficiency maximization to the people inside.

“Bringing in more daylight deep into the building reduces electricity costs. But it also increases the efficiency of the people that work in the builidng – and that's the greatest cost savings,” says Barowitz, adding that financial firms' personnel costs are several factors higher than their energy needs. “If you're 10% more efficient on energy, it's not the same dollar amount as a 2-3% in personnel savings.”

The fact that a bank would embrace paying a premium for a greener facility also indicates a shift in thinking, says Cook.

"A major financial institution, which really focuses on the bottom line, decided to spend a little more on a seriously green building."

One Bryant Park, simply by its scope, has already changed the marketplace.

The premium alone associated with the LEED Platinum points was estimated to be around 7%; as the project is nearing completion, the cost is closer to 6%, according to Barowitz. This is due to the changes in New York's construction market just over the past four years: from the type of green materials regular vendors are accepting as standard, such as the use of 45 % blast furnace slag in concrete, according to Cook, to lessons learned on clean-air construction site maintenance. The work that went into the tower has paved the way for New York's greener buildings.

TEAM LIST

Owner – 50-50 Joint: Durst Organization, New York and Bank of America
Developer: Durst Organizations, New York
Lead Architect: Cook + Fox, New York
General Contractor: Tishman Construction, New York
Executive Architect: Adamson Associates Architects
Mechanical Engineer: Jaros, Baum & Bolles
Structural Engineer: Severud Associates
Geo-Technical Engineer: Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers
Construction: Tishman Construction Corporation
Code Consultant: JAM Consultants
Elevator Consultant: Van Deusen & Associates
Exterior Wall Consultant: Israel Berger & Associates, Inc.
Base Building Acoustician: Shen Milsom & Wilke, Inc.
Security Consultant: Ducibella, Venter & Santore
Exterior Maintenance Entek Engineering Consultant:
NYC Transit Consultant: Vollmer Associates, LLP
Lighting Consultant: Cline Bettridge Bernstein Lighting Design Inc.
Historic Consultant: Higgins & Quasebarth
Theater Consultant: Fisher Dachs Associates
Theater Acousticians: Jaffe Holden Acoustics, Inc.
Energy/Environmental: Steven Winter AssociatesSolar
Design/Photovoltaic Consultant: Solar Design Associates, Inc.

© 2007 The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

avm10
November 29th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Executive Architect: Adamson Associates Architects

Good times, NYC's unsung executive architects located north of the border. :) Lots of name dropping in that article, and its is indeed very accurate.

I can't wait until its a completed job.

tone99loc
November 29th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Thanks for the read BigMac - The article mentions an "86,000-unit curtain wall" - Does that mean there are 86,000 panes of glass or does it refer to something else?

BigMac
November 30th, 2007, 08:58 AM
86,000 panes of glass was my first guess.

lofter1
November 30th, 2007, 11:17 AM
Or 86K pre-fab glass / metal insulated sections installed (some of which contain upper & lower pains / multiple panes)

krulltime
November 30th, 2007, 05:03 PM
By knascar (http://www.flickr.com/photos/knascar/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/2074870764_dc94e46a28_o.jpg

lofter1
November 30th, 2007, 08:09 PM
The old Verizon looks like it dropped its pants :eek:

BigMac
November 30th, 2007, 08:41 PM
BostonCityWalk on Flickr
November 24, 2007

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2143/2061111747_9ac45b4aee_b.jpg

Tectonic
December 1st, 2007, 12:11 PM
Can't wait for the glass to reach all the way up. I'm getting impatient.

NewYorkDoc
December 2nd, 2007, 09:07 PM
I'm not impressed with this building.

Scraperfannyc
December 2nd, 2007, 09:16 PM
Close up, the glass of 1bp looks fogged up and dirty. Poor choice of glass from my point of view.

lofter1
December 2nd, 2007, 10:01 PM
Well, it is an active construction site. So ...

ramvid01
December 2nd, 2007, 10:10 PM
I think it is way too early to judge this glass considering it will probably be significantly manipulated by the interior lighting once it is set up.

Alonzo-ny
December 2nd, 2007, 10:17 PM
Some people learned nothing from the times tower.

krulltime
December 3rd, 2007, 02:03 AM
By threecee (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tracy_collins/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2166/2081708407_aa96636814_b.jpg

Derek2k3
December 3rd, 2007, 02:20 AM
I was just going to post that photo.

krulltime
December 3rd, 2007, 02:24 AM
I see. :D It is a good one.

antinimby
December 3rd, 2007, 04:09 AM
That one photo alone gives us updates on four different projects. Anyone want to name them?

Derek2k3
December 3rd, 2007, 09:06 AM
The blank wall of Sky House, the O'Hara pile on 29th Street, the horrible re-skinning of Verizon, the useless re-cladding of 475 Park Avenue South, and BofA, the fat box-cutter.

ramvid01
December 3rd, 2007, 09:11 AM
That shade of green is so ugly, and drab...

ablarc
December 4th, 2007, 12:41 PM
Tubby.

MidtownGuy
December 4th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Yes, very tubby from that angle. It was the first thing I thought. Looks better from the ground.

stache
December 4th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Their San Francisco headquarters is much nicer than this one.

investordude
December 4th, 2007, 04:11 PM
The BOFA in San Francisco, in addition to being a smaller building, has this awful plaza in front where there's constantly homeless people and unpleasantness. Architecturally, the SF building is OK but I actually like this (considerably taller) building better.

econ_tim
December 4th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Tubby.

If you keep saying that you are just going to encorage unhealthy eating habbits for the city's skyscrapers.

ZippyTheChimp
December 4th, 2007, 04:24 PM
Right now, their diet is mostly traders.

econ_tim
December 5th, 2007, 09:48 AM
from tonyshi at skyscrapercity:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/30108519/DSC01469.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/30108519/DSC01468.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/30108519/DSC01387.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/30108519/DSC01193.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/30108519/DSC01177.jpg

Tectonic
December 5th, 2007, 11:31 AM
WOW that crane is high. More of this to come downtown?

Did I read correctly, the spire is just decor, No antennas?

Derek2k3
December 8th, 2007, 11:49 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/2089390705_07c48aef9f_b.jpg
nela_kovalcikova (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nela_kovalcikova/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2014/2091203701_5a3e8b26ac_b.jpg
rhviciana (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhviciana/)

NewYorkDoc
December 8th, 2007, 02:10 PM
I really like the new Verizon color.

BrooklynLove
December 8th, 2007, 07:50 PM
these pics are off the meatrack. incredible.

Derek2k3
December 9th, 2007, 04:09 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2346/2094462578_7358845430_b.jpg
fwapah (http://www.flickr.com/photos/fwapah/)

Despite all the developments we have a fairly crane-less skyline. However, no fewer than 2 dozen high-rises built in the last decade can be seen in this pic.
They've added some color to our earth-toned skyline.

Tectonic
December 9th, 2007, 09:22 PM
Nice and rare perspective.

NewYorkDoc
December 10th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Is that Trump at the bottom left?

lofter1
December 10th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Trump SoHo -- yes it is.

BrooklynLove
December 10th, 2007, 10:08 PM
and in the middle of the shot - that looks like the building reflected in the first piano city tech tower rendering. :cool:

econ_tim
December 11th, 2007, 10:28 AM
this morning, the spire looks like it has risen a little more

Alonzo-ny
December 11th, 2007, 01:31 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2178/2103997822_5c9932a223_b.jpg

Yep

ramvid01
December 11th, 2007, 06:26 PM
They started to light up the lower floors at night and all I can say is that it looks different but so far its only a few floors (2-4). I took some pictures but cant seem to find my usb cord so until I can find it I can't post it.

lofter1
December 11th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Grey & cloudy today so it was hard to get a good shot, but it looks like the derrick be done ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_46c.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_46e.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_46h.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_46j.jpg

***

Alonzo-ny
December 11th, 2007, 07:11 PM
I knew it wouldnt turn as nice as the render, the render has an unrealistic structure.

sfenn1117
December 11th, 2007, 08:54 PM
Great shot alonzo!

Tectonic
December 11th, 2007, 09:02 PM
Whats with the weather these days. I hate it, I can't get good pictures in it. Thanks for the updates guys.

sfenn1117
December 11th, 2007, 09:03 PM
^Winter gloom. Looking forward to the snow Thurs though :)

avm10
December 11th, 2007, 09:09 PM
I think there will be one more section to go up....just a feeling, could be wrong, but one more section will slender it up juuuust a bit.

arcman210
December 11th, 2007, 09:10 PM
so is it safe to say there is a new second tallest in nyc now?

stache
December 11th, 2007, 09:52 PM
Yes if toothpicks are the gauge of height -

RandySavage
December 12th, 2007, 02:56 AM
It seems clear to me that there will be some more spire sections forthcoming:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1251/1436390028_4e3f8783e3_o.jpg

Derek2k3
December 12th, 2007, 05:56 PM
It already looks ridiculous with still more to go.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2320/2105149715_13867520d1_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2401/2105924096_ddca9bfaec_b.jpg
sbikh (http://flickr.com/photos/sbikh/)

I think it will look better from this angle however.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2300/2105201343_06dd5265a5_o.jpg
r o d r i g o (http://flickr.com/photos/daguerre/)

NewYorkDoc
December 12th, 2007, 06:23 PM
^Winter gloom. Looking forward to the snow Thurs though :)

Me too! :D

Tectonic
December 13th, 2007, 12:32 AM
Why and Why? Why the super long useless spire and why the bad weather, I can't get good pics :(

Scraperfannyc
December 13th, 2007, 03:20 AM
There must be oil in those midtown buildings.

BrooklynLove
December 13th, 2007, 07:17 AM
these pictures are so fabulous, thanks so much for sharing.

Ninjahedge
December 13th, 2007, 10:39 AM
They had the last piece of the spire on the ground yesterday morning as I was walking into work.

How do I know it was the last piece? It had a big red light on top!!! ;)

antinimby
December 13th, 2007, 10:43 AM
Do these spires get struck by lightning regularly and if they do, are they properly grounded as to not cause electrical spikes running throughout the building?

How much damage do lightning do to them over time?

kliq6
December 13th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Yes the get hit and are grounded. ESB has been gettting hit since 1932 probally over a million times by now

millertime83
December 13th, 2007, 01:19 PM
It used to be neat to watch the WTC get hit by lightning.

Tectonic
December 13th, 2007, 01:46 PM
They had the last piece of the spire on the ground yesterday morning as I was walking into work.

How do I know it was the last piece? It had a big red light on top!!! ;)

OMG sounds like a great photo op, hope they didn't put it up yet.

lofter1
December 13th, 2007, 02:23 PM
It used to be neat to watch the WTC get hit by lightning.

A sight from my window that I sorely miss

:(

stache
December 13th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Yes they got hit by something else -

ablarc
December 13th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Wrath of God.

stache
December 13th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Huh???

Derek2k3
December 14th, 2007, 12:56 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2292/2102262666_e7196f4821_b.jpg
ivangarcia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivangarcia/)

econ_tim
December 14th, 2007, 09:38 AM
the spire looks all right from the east

cellphone pic from this morning:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7070/boavv9.jpg

NYatKNIGHT
December 14th, 2007, 10:06 AM
Is it me or has window installation nearly stopped?

kliq6
December 14th, 2007, 10:10 AM
It used to be neat to watch the WTC get hit by lightning.


I remember one night I was at the bar up there and saw lighting flash above us, very cool memory I have!

Tectonic
December 14th, 2007, 07:01 PM
12-14-2007

Finally the sun came out...

This thing looks huge up close.

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/577665.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/577676.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/577682.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/577666.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/577651.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/577680.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/12/577652.jpg

stache
December 14th, 2007, 07:55 PM
the glass looks much better on overcast days imo.

lofter1
December 14th, 2007, 08:54 PM
12-14-2007

Finally the sun came out...

This thing looks huge up close.

LOL -- We got the same pics today, but you beat me to posting them.

I bet that last piece of the derrick is 50' long (tall).

Did you see the big light on the end (it was inside the plywood box)?

When I was getting my shots of that some guy chased me off :(

But he also told me that THIS PIECE WILL BE RAISED SATURDAY MORNING ("God Willing") ...

So GET UP EARLY AND BRING YOUR CAMERAS!!!

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_48a.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_48k.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_49f.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_49e.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_49q.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_49g.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_49s.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_48v.jpg

***

Tectonic
December 14th, 2007, 09:31 PM
Cool Pictures Lofter, why are they always chasing you, lol. I didn't see the light actually. Tomorrow morning must be the better day because a storm is coming up the coast on Saturday night. One of the guys told me he wasn't sure because it depends on the wind. I'll try to be there.

lofter1
December 14th, 2007, 10:33 PM
It wasn't until I stuck my camera under the plywood box to get a better shot of the light that they chased me off :o

Seems the "God Willing" comment was due to the possibility of high winds ...

BrooklynLove
December 15th, 2007, 09:00 AM
these pictures are rediculous. D-O-P-E. thanks for sharing.

ManhattanKnight
December 15th, 2007, 09:01 AM
MORNING UPDATE

Apparent hoisting problems this morning -- top section up, down, back and forth, swaying not-at-all-gently.

Deo volente not?

Bob
December 15th, 2007, 09:31 AM
I look at this massive new skyscraper and say to myself, "that's a union job." I don't think anybody builds them faster (or better) than the union trades of New York. Despite the featherbedding, and the occasional grievances and labor disputes, the fact is this is New York and you gotta pay. So, you pay union wages. And you put up with a little payola, from time to time. Or perhaps, the fact it takes 5 guys to screw in a light bulb.

What you get is your building built on time, with excellent workmanship. A tip of my hat to the union guys who are building the Bank of America Tower.

stache
December 15th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Graft will happen with most forms of organized society. At least unions form a better standard of living for a larger percentage of people within the given work structure.

Derek2k3
December 15th, 2007, 10:30 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2109699671_9604b7c64c_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2181/2109696605_7dbc1ba7c8_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2196/2109698315_7ba5930701_b.jpg
ivangarcia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivangarcia/)

ManhattanKnight
December 15th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Getting there . . .

RS085
December 15th, 2007, 03:11 PM
It looks complete, so I guess now its the officially the second tallest building in NYC.

NoyokA
December 15th, 2007, 03:24 PM
The spire is about the only thing design-wise that I like about this building. Its simple structure emphasizes height, only if the actual building had this clarity instead of being expressed as an afterthought spire.

Derek2k3
December 15th, 2007, 03:39 PM
Smart choice by the architects not to go the extra 51 feet. Could you imagine this officially being the city's tallest building.

Tectonic
December 15th, 2007, 03:44 PM
ManhattanKnight, what time did the hoisting start? I missed it...

ManhattanKnight
December 15th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Late afternoon crane tilt-back . . .

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3503/cyn1810arl8.jpg

Scraperfannyc
December 15th, 2007, 04:05 PM
These flagpoles in midtown are the cheapest excuse for height increase. It's worse than steroid use in sports in my opinion. Worse is, it catches on and we are stuck with flagpoles instead of buildings.

TREPYE
December 15th, 2007, 04:10 PM
If you try to justify them as heigh then you will be bitterly disapointed. However, if you look at them as what they are and that is as aesthetic and funtional part of the scrapers that stick out of the skyline then you know what....IMO its not too shabby.:)




http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2196/2109698315_7ba5930701_b.jpg
ivangarcia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivangarcia/)

Alonzo-ny
December 15th, 2007, 04:25 PM
Worse is, it catches on and we are stuck with flagpoles instead of buildings.

How is this remotely true? You quote makes it seem like the building replaced real occupied space with a pole? I maxed its zoning and added a spire into the skyline big deal. Do you complain about chrysler?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2129/2113718346_0bfd68ba37_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2402/2113718458_e8fbca548a_o.jpg

lofter1
December 15th, 2007, 05:16 PM
I got up to Bryant Park a little before 10 AM and they had hoisted the big piece up from the street ... but they hadn't positioned it up on the tower.

I hung around for a while and, since it was such great weather, took some pics of the BA from various spots nearby.

By about 11AM it didn't look like they were going to hoist it up to the top, so I went on my merry way ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_50a.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_50a3.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_50a9.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_50a20.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_51a4.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_50a12.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_51a5.jpg

***

lofter1
December 15th, 2007, 05:23 PM
By about noon I ended up down near Herald Square and saw that they had indeed raised the last section to the top of the spire.

Needless to say I hightailed it back to Bryant Park ...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_52a2.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_52a.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_52a8.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_52a23.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_52a27.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_52a30.jpg

***

Derek2k3
December 15th, 2007, 05:29 PM
I agree with Stern, the spire design is pretty nice.

NYguy
December 15th, 2007, 06:06 PM
DECEMBER 14, 2007

BofA triumphant!

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352804/medium.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352839/medium.jpg

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352749/medium.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352732/original.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352804/original.jpg

4.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352839/original.jpg

5.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352898/original.jpg

6.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352911/original.jpg

7.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352916/original.jpg

8.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352942/original.jpg

NYguy
December 15th, 2007, 06:15 PM
DECEMBER 14, 2007

More photos, from the Top of the Rock observation deck (shot blindly,
so the quality is poor). The line of spires is amazing. We need at least
one more between the Empire and Chrysler to complete the vision.

9.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352359/original.jpg

10.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352378/original.jpg

11.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352380/large.jpg

12.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352383/large.jpg

13.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352384/original.jpg

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352387/large.jpg

15.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352389/large.jpg

16.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352396/large.jpg

17.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352400/large.jpg

18.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/90352456/large.jpg

RandySavage
December 15th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Thanks to everybody who took photos. Completed, the proportionality of the spire isn't as bad as I had feared.

It will be interesting to watch the completion of the skin, the treatment of the crown and the internal lighting.

BrooklynLove
December 15th, 2007, 06:16 PM
exciting to think that we are living through the construction of some of the defining structures of nyc's post 2000 skyline. for example, bear stearns tower, bloomberg building, bofa tower, new wtc buildings, several new towers slated in downtown brooklyn that stand a chance of being significant. pretty cool if you ask me.

avm10
December 15th, 2007, 09:15 PM
So, I guess the oil rig reference is gone now eh?

I think she looks great with that spire.

Beautiful pictures, great updates, well done gents, thanks for the great pictures. Perhaps late spring 2008 is right on track to have people start working there

Alonzo-ny
December 15th, 2007, 09:24 PM
I do like the shape of this tower but if you compare it to the NYtimes you can tell who the real architect is. At the boa so many things are awkward and unresolved in complete contrast to NYTimes where it seems every detail was considered with equal importance.

Tectonic
December 15th, 2007, 10:27 PM
^^ I agree, I like the building but it puzzles me very often. Like the spire seems off and out of place almost. I don't get it.

Alonzo-ny
December 15th, 2007, 10:30 PM
A more logical place for the spire would be as a continuation of the tallest point of the crown. Would actually accentuate the vertical thrust there. In its present locale it is like a stall in the acceleration upwards.

smallfish
December 15th, 2007, 11:35 PM
I do like the shape of this tower but if you compare it to the NYtimes you can tell who the real architect is. At the boa so many things are awkward and unresolved in complete contrast to NYTimes where it seems every detail was considered with equal importance.
Perhaps when the building is finished it will be more resolved and less awkward, and the reason for the location of the spire will be more apparent. Or perhaps you just don't like the building, and to you it will remain awkward, unresoved and have an illogically placed spire. In any event you have to applaud the iron workers 1000 ft above the street in 20 degree temperature rigging and bolting that massive structure which we saw lying on the street yesterday.

ZippyTheChimp
December 16th, 2007, 12:03 AM
A more logical place for the spire would be as a continuation of the tallest point of the crown.It was better located in the original rendering:
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/01/greenskyscrapers/image/1_dods.jpg

Alonzo-ny
December 16th, 2007, 12:15 AM
It looks much better there!

Smallfish: I do generally like this building but it does have its little weird points that are the result of someone who isnt one of best architects in the world but I do like it. Just from some angles better than others.

Tectonic
December 16th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Again I agree, I think its a great building beyond its surface. The iron workers are an amazing part of this city! But, the I think the spire takes away from the angled top, maybe if it had a more triangular shape of its own, it would 'fit in' better. We'll see when it's done, it just might grow on me.

Alonzo-ny
December 16th, 2007, 01:50 AM
I think we gotta wait and see how it looks with a more solid crown.

smallfish
December 16th, 2007, 11:24 AM
"It was better located in the original rendering:"

I think it is a matter of perspective. Look at the original animation under rendering/animations
http://www.durst.org/i_prop.asp?propertyid=12

ZippyTheChimp
December 16th, 2007, 12:18 PM
^
I didn't refer to any other renderings, elevations, or animations. If you compare the rendering above with any real photos from the same vantage, the spire is located closer to the high point.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_48v.jpg

Scraperfannyc
December 16th, 2007, 03:03 PM
[QUOTE=alonzo-ny;204321]How is this remotely true? You quote makes it seem like the building replaced real occupied space with a pole? I maxed its zoning and added a spire into the skyline big deal. Do you complain about chrysler?

I would not compare the chrysler spire to any of these new spires.

If these flagpoled midtown buildings were built to max out their zoned height of occupied space, that's great then. It's the zoning that is the problem and it is not a situation where steel rods are substituting occupied space. They can still think of more creative spires though.

Alonzo-ny
December 16th, 2007, 03:26 PM
They can still think of more creative spires though.

I agree to a degree with you there. The crowns of buildings in general. A building with its dress removed can still be basically the loved box underneath but no reason not to give it a frock and hat.

RandySavage
December 18th, 2007, 12:07 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2118/2118068606_0d4856bee0_b.jpg

credit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/

kz1000ps
December 18th, 2007, 12:35 AM
Can't wait for that crane to disappear so I can more clearly judge the spire's affect on the skyline..

NoyokA
December 18th, 2007, 12:40 AM
From that vantage point all three spires look to be of the same height.

Jeffreyny
December 18th, 2007, 02:22 PM
From that vantage point all three spires look to be of the same height.

not to mention that the antennas and spires look just about as tall as the buildings themselves. Looks like an antenna farm to me.

stache
December 18th, 2007, 02:36 PM
Well at least it's putting a little variance in the skyline...

lofter1
December 18th, 2007, 10:17 PM
Looks like an antenna farm to me.

NYC now has just a fraction of the spires & flagpoles atop buildings that it had 100 years ago.

stache
December 19th, 2007, 12:25 AM
were they twenty floors tall?

lofter1
December 19th, 2007, 02:02 AM
You got me on that one ;)

DKNY617
December 19th, 2007, 02:40 AM
Its looking good so far. The addition of the spire isn't bad at all in my opinion, but I do echo some of the statements of its placement. I did like it better in the rendering.

And I'm still waiting like many of us are on the glass of the crown. I'm wondering if it will be any different than the glass on the building itself, or if it'll just continue with the same glass.

stache
December 19th, 2007, 09:57 AM
The light is blinking on top of the spire.

Tectonic
December 19th, 2007, 10:14 AM
Wondered how long it would take. It had to as soon as possible since its a warning light to aircrafts.

ManhattanKnight
December 19th, 2007, 10:18 AM
^The beacons (first the white one, then the red) were energized and lit up late Saturday afternoon, a couple of hours after the derrick tip was bolted in place.

lofter1
December 19th, 2007, 11:31 AM
All the wiring was set to go before the last piece was hoisted up ...

(wires and connections wrapped in a plain brown bag).

Which is why the guy chased me away on Saturday when I was shooting this.
Imagine having to call in an electrician to re-wire this after it's up top!!!

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_49g.jpg

BrooklynRider
December 23rd, 2007, 12:18 PM
Oh Look! They added a crown to the Verizon building...


...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/1%20Bryant%20Park%20Bank%20America%20Tower/L1BA_48v.jpg

RandySavage
December 24th, 2007, 01:18 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2123636215_d83cd9828d_b.jpg

credit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/

Dagrecco82
December 25th, 2007, 03:12 PM
From this angle BOFA seems less tubby. I love the building from this POV.

Credit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberdos/2088134600/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2088134600_df41c92e0f_b.jpg

By the by, what's that horrible white building at the bottom of the pic? :confused:

Tectonic
December 25th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Thats a cool angle indeed.

nykid17
December 26th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Thats an awesome angle. Where'd you take it from exactly; an office building, residential?

avm10
December 27th, 2007, 09:09 AM
Perhaps I can help?

Here is a picture I took from the 34th floor of OBP last March. You can see the art-deco building with the artistic green panel. I was facing towards the northeast(ish) when I took the picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/wallacej/DSC00062.jpg

ramvid01
December 27th, 2007, 09:21 AM
Thats an awesome angle. Where'd you take it from exactly; an office building, residential?

Judging from those 2 pictures I'd say it was taken from Bear Stearns Headquarters (the octagonal shaped building with like a greenish crown).

ManhattanKnight
December 30th, 2007, 08:31 AM
Pale Male and . . . .

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2309/palemalestore1978313988ah9.jpg

November 24, 2007
(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/palemale-store_1978_31328811 (http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/palemale-store_1978_31328811))

tdp
December 30th, 2007, 10:13 AM
A wonderful photograph.

"Pale male the famous redtail hawk performs wingstands high above midtown Manhattan
Circles around for one last pass over the park
Got his eye on a fat squirrel down there and a couple of pigeons
They got no place to run they got no place to hide
But pale male he’s cool, see ‘cause his breakfast ain’t goin’ nowhere
So he does a loop t loop for the tourists and the six o’clock news
Got him a penthouse view from the tip-top of the food chain, boys
He looks up and down on fifth ave and says “God I love this town”
But life goes on down here below
And all us mortals struggle so
We laugh and cry
And live and die
That’s how it goes
For all we know
Down here below
I saw Joe Mitchell’s ghost on a downtown ‘A’ train
He just rides on forever now that the Fulton fish market’s shut down
He said ‘they ain’t never gonna get that smell out of the water
I don’t give a damn how much of that new money they burn’
Now hell’s kitchen’s Clinton and the bowery’s Nolita
And the east village’s creepin’ ‘cross the Williamsburg bridge
And hey, whatever happened to alphabet city?
Ain’t no place left in this town that a poor boy can go
But life goes on down here below
And all us mortals struggle so
We laugh and cry
And live and die
That’s how it goes
For all we know
Down here below
Pale male swimmin’ in the air
Looks like he’s in heaven up there
People sufferin’ everywhere
But he don’t care
But life goes on down here below
And all us mortals, struggle so
We laugh and cry"

"Down Here Below" by Steve Earle (from "Washington Square Serenade")

A very Happy New Year to all!

Derek2k3
December 30th, 2007, 06:33 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2105/2143471295_4c80c9dd37_b.jpg
santacruiser (http://www.flickr.com/photos/santacruiser/)

BrooklynLove
January 3rd, 2008, 09:55 PM
wow. this shot says a lot. this is definitely worth some money. prob worth the effort of registering with the copyright office.

Tectonic
January 5th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Excellent composition.

lizbeth li
January 5th, 2008, 12:34 PM
I actually think it a cliche, the same kind of picture has been taken forever, and mainly to the effect of "composition," meaning social import is co-opted by art. Not too long ago before the tipping point was reached, the Brooklyn Bridge had a whole shanty town of cardboard boxes and homeless under it, and I'm not too old to remember the old Bowery with block-long stretches of "bums" sleeping side by side so no one would set them on fire. I'm not certain what the picture means after you have seen so many like it, probably nothing at all.

Derek2k3
January 5th, 2008, 01:16 PM
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lofter1
January 5th, 2008, 01:46 PM
ll: "...meaning social import is co-opted by art ..."

One isn't mutually exclusive of the other.

Perhaps we should only show the far-more-original shots of the BA Tower rising above the lush greenery of Bryant Park, and glorify the exquisiteness of NYC - Heaven for Moneylenders 2008 :rolleyes:

BrooklynLove
January 5th, 2008, 02:13 PM
I actually think it a cliche, the same kind of picture has been taken forever, and mainly to the effect of "composition," meaning social import is co-opted by art. Not too long ago before the tipping point was reached, the Brooklyn Bridge had a whole shanty town of cardboard boxes and homeless under it, and I'm not too old to remember the old Bowery with block-long stretches of "bums" sleeping side by side so no one would set them on fire. I'm not certain what the picture means after you have seen so many like it, probably nothing at all.

i could not disagree more - there is much more to this shot. this is not the usual portrayal of apathy and economic divide captured in many urban shots.

first, there is the juxtaposition of old and new architecture that is becoming more and more symbolisitic of the post 9-11 nyc, captured quite magnificently here. yet the uncomplete state of the BofA building invokes a subtle message of the new still trying to catch the old - a kind of can't teach an old dog new tricks theme if you will.

and second, there is a portrayal of the most unfortunate aspect of the subprime fallout - wall street will bounce back after a few quarters (symbolized by BofA's multimillion dollar tower rising) but many of the less fortunate borrowers who took on ill-advised mortgages (driven at least indirectly by the insatiable wall street abs market) will remain financially damaged for life (symbolized by the homeless person and his position at the very bottom of the shot).

this a serious photograph.

ASchwarz
January 5th, 2008, 02:21 PM
^
Homelessness has nothing to do with the mortgage crisis.

In fact, in the U.S., homelessness has almost nothing to do with housing or affordability. You see far more homeless in dirt-cheap Detroit than in super-expensive Manhattan. It's all about addiction and our horrible "system" of mental care. It might be useful for the U.S. to use a different term than "homeless" because it describes a result (one of many) rather than the underlying symptoms.

I think the shot is cliche but very nice.

BrooklynLove
January 5th, 2008, 03:15 PM
symbolism

homelessness as a symbol for defaulting borrowers losing their home

bofa tower as a symbol for greed and wealth of wall street continuing on upward and onward

let go of literal equivalencies for a minute and this might make more sense

lofter1
January 5th, 2008, 03:37 PM
... in the U.S., homelessness has almost nothing to do with housing or affordability.

Not yet, perhaps ...

But the year is still young. As is the "mortgage crisis."

The looming recession is even younger ...

pianoman11686
January 5th, 2008, 04:45 PM
symbolism

homelessness as a symbol for defaulting borrowers losing their home

bofa tower as a symbol for greed and wealth of wall street continuing on upward and onward

let go of literal equivalencies for a minute and this might make more sense

You forgot to mention the symbolism of chain retail infiltrating every corner of New York. Even the homeless can't escape it.

stache
January 5th, 2008, 06:26 PM
The guy has a Duane Reade bag, for Pete's sake!

lizbeth li
January 5th, 2008, 08:19 PM
I don't think this guy would have gotten a subprime loan ever, so he can't symbolize the crisis -- and symbols by the way are much more generalized, like the guy cannot "symbolize" "a black man from Detroit who got off a bus in Newark." About the new growing over the old, about any high rise can do this, no? Why is a Duane Reade bag so special?

lizbeth li
January 5th, 2008, 08:22 PM
Art and social import obviously can coexist, but when you start in right off the bat about the "composition" of the above photo, you are moving towards formalism certainly and away from social realism.

pianoman11686
January 5th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Why is a Duane Reade bag so special?

Ha! That got a laugh out of me.

Lizbeth, my post was tongue-in-cheek. I'm on your side.

lizbeth li
January 5th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Right, I kind of missed your comment which obviously is ironic and saw Stache's about the bag. We are all so smart and should be shot.

Derek2k3
January 6th, 2008, 09:54 AM
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So what will take BofA's place as Midtown's tower to watch in '08? Probably Times Square Plaza, Ten Arquitectos hotel on 45th Street, or perhaps they'll get moving on 400 5th. Lots of sites excavating or readying for construction, but for now a visually quiet skyline

krulltime
January 15th, 2008, 02:50 AM
Now some views from the tower!


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