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JMGarcia
March 5th, 2003, 11:35 PM
http://www.schwartzarch.com/think04.jpg

http://www.schwartzarch.com/think01.jpg

http://www.schwartzarch.com/think03.jpg

http://www.schwartzarch.com/think02.jpg

A step down from this for sure. Notice how close the observation deck is to the top in the new ones compared to the old. Looks like they were lowered down to around 1400-1450 feet. I kinda like the originals. It's a shame.

I wonder how much the fact that the original looked better than the new ones had to do with their losing.

http://www.schwartzarch.com/ttowers.jpg

NyC MaNiAc
March 5th, 2003, 11:45 PM
Eh, I'd like em if you couldn't see through em. But, I guess it dosn't matter anymore.

tugrul
March 6th, 2003, 12:19 AM
Whoa, the revised version looks flimsy.

ZippyTheChimp
March 6th, 2003, 12:23 AM
Wow, I'm really surprised. What a difference. not so much the height, but the structure. Looks industrial.

JMGarcia
March 6th, 2003, 12:40 AM
It's almost like it became to smooth or cylindrical. I preferred the little points the frame came to in the old one better.

dbhstockton
March 6th, 2003, 01:48 AM
This design always reminded me, and still does of elongated Elmhurst Gas Tanks, if you remember them, meets Coney-Island meets Flushing Meadows. *Definitely a New York design.

StevenRosenow
March 6th, 2003, 04:09 AM
They sure did a great job at image editing, that's for sure.

'Cause if you'll notice, the original Seven World Trade is in this photo here.


http://www.schwartzarch.com/think02.jpg


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I still would like to see close likenesses of the originals go up, though. And those that are occupiable, rather than just being "skyline elements."

Fountainhead
March 6th, 2003, 05:08 AM
I like their original design - it was a very brave scheme to appeal to the more civic minded instead of developers.....so no surprises that it lost.

Bloody hell, they lost the whole concept in this revision - such a shame. It looks like it would have been very difficult to stage construction of new pods inside a completed frame - if there was an intention to fill the upper parts at a later date.

I agree the original looked a much better frame being a bit more chunky - they changed the structural concept from a vertical triangulated space frame to 8 poles wrapped with bracing - much more conventional.....

I am surprised and p*ssed off that both finalists were give what - three weeks to modify their schemes before the choice was made? In that time, they obviously had to do a very quick rush job to make these things more cost effective - the decision should have been made on the merits of the original designs, and then modified after with more time for reflection and negotiation!

Evan
March 6th, 2003, 09:57 AM
Quote: from dbhstockton on 12:48 am on Mar. 6, 2003
This design always reminded me, and still does of elongated Elmhurst Gas Tanks, if you remember them, meets Coney-Island meets Flushing Meadows. *Definitely a New York design.


I was thinking the same thing.

TLOZ Link5
March 6th, 2003, 04:47 PM
Most of the cultural facilities are gone, as well.

The renderings are pretty grainy, plus the towers look really...cheap, for loss of better words.

dbhstockton
March 6th, 2003, 05:05 PM
It looks like they moved the cultural facilities to a lower height to placate safety criticisms.

TLOZ Link5
March 7th, 2003, 05:26 PM
And what they got instead were two cylindrical wire frames with nothing in them for a span of about eight hundred feet. *The fact that the cultural facilities were placed at intervals in the original was what gave it substance. *These revisions just look like a void.

Plus the renderings are very haphazard. *And Steve is right; the original 7WTC is actually in several of the renderings.

(Edited by TLOZ Link5 at 5:14 pm on Mar. 7, 2003)

Anonymous
March 7th, 2003, 05:40 PM
Why would THINK be re-releasing new plans? They aren't being considered again are they? Cause the originals were 100 times better. Is it still definately Libeskind who won? Because now, even his spire looks BIG. His spire doesn't look flimsy any more compared to the new THINK plan. This leads me to believe they aren't going to beef up Libeskind's plan, only make it more flimsy.

dbhstockton
March 7th, 2003, 05:43 PM
Both Libeskind and THINK had to prepare revisions in the final round of the "competition." *They were out there already, so they might as well let us have a look at them.

NYatKNIGHT
March 7th, 2003, 05:44 PM
Yes, they scrapped Libeskind's plan and decided to go with THINK. This is what will be built, they are starting tomorrow. Isn't it great? They're making it out of tin foil.

This kid doesn't know when to quit.....

(Edited by NYatKNIGHT at 4:49 pm on Mar. 7, 2003)

Kris
March 10th, 2003, 09:40 PM
I feel sorry for the architects, who had to compromise their concept for dubious safety and financial considerations. What remained were sad sculptural forms.

DominicanoNYC
March 10th, 2003, 10:14 PM
They should have taken more time in filling the buildings instead of leaving them empty and see through.

JMGarcia
March 10th, 2003, 11:56 PM
To me, what happened to this proposal is just the sort of thing that is going to be a problem in the future with whatever is built.

They wanted it cheaper, they wanted it lighter, the didn't want things up so high in the structure. They ruined the design IMO. Its what happens when the bureaucrats get too much control. The PA and Silverstein have got to be watched.