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NYguy
March 20th, 2003, 10:05 AM
NY Post...

9/11 BANK BREAKS MOLD

By WILLIAM NEUMAN

March 20, 2003 -- The toxic mold that was considered a serious environmental threat in the damaged Deutsche Bank building has been removed, city officials said this week - potentially clearing the way for a decision on what will happen with the black-shrouded wreck that looms over Ground Zero.

"I wouldn't think the building would pose a health problem as far as mold . . . I didn't see any evidence of that," said Chris D'Andrea, a research scientist for the city Health Department who conducted a top-to-bottom inspection of the Liberty Street building on March 5.

The Deutsche Bank building was damaged in the 9/11 attack, when debris from the Twin Towers cut a 14-story gash in its north side. Rain and basement flooding led to a mold infestation, which local residents feared could spread to other buildings.

The bank has been fighting with its insurers over what to do with the empty hulk. The options are razing it, repairing it or selling it.

billyblancoNYC
March 20th, 2003, 11:05 AM
Raze that sucka! *That and the little buildings next to it (I think) would be perfect for 2, glass, mixed use towers - office and residential, and, maybe even the marriott so the WTC site would be less bogged down with requirements.

Eugenius
March 20th, 2003, 12:22 PM
I doubt that they would raze it now, since they could simply repair it, and reoccupy. *On the other hand, a certification may not fully allay fears of potential tenants, so perhaps starting from scratch makes more economic sense...
I am really surprised that they were able to clear the mold so easily, after all the articles that described how widespread and virulent the infestation was.

ZippyTheChimp
March 20th, 2003, 12:42 PM
Something smells about this (more than toxic mold).


"I wouldn't think the building would pose a health problem as far as mold . . . I didn't see any evidence of that," said Chris D'Andrea, a research scientist for the city Health Department who conducted a top-to-bottom inspection of the Liberty Street building on March 5.

Given the recent fiasco concerning the EPA claims about air
quality around the site after 9/11, this weak statement is not going to be accepted.

I too am surprised at the speed of cleanup, but all this means is that the building can be unsealed (for whatever plan). It will probably still need to be competely gutted.

I also hope they take it down.

NYatKNIGHT
March 20th, 2003, 12:52 PM
Libeskind planned to use that site for building #8 below....




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Fabb
March 20th, 2003, 01:46 PM
This building will probably be transformed but not demolished.
No matter what Libeskind plans for the site.

JMGarcia
March 20th, 2003, 02:01 PM
Notice how similar number 8 is in massing to 130 Liberty. Adding a sloped roof on top and a completely new facade would make it very, very similar.

Fabb
March 20th, 2003, 02:25 PM
You're right.
What a coincidence !

diVinci
March 20th, 2003, 02:37 PM
#8 is really Libeskind's Tower #5. *Yes...the massing is approx. the same but raising Liberty 130 is best and that is what Deutsche Bank wants but is fighting with its Insurance firms. *If it can get the money, it will be razed. *Hopefully...that black box is UGLY!!!


(Edited by diVinci at 1:39 pm on Mar. 20, 2003)

ZippyTheChimp
March 20th, 2003, 03:58 PM
Whatever happens to the building, it's doubtful that Deutsche Bank will move back in. They lost 1.8 million sq ft of space downtown at 130 Liberty and 4WTC.

Last year they purchased 60 Wall from JP Morgan Chase, which
will become the new US headquarters (1.6 million sq ft).

Kris
March 20th, 2003, 09:37 PM
Buildings are more than facades and this is an opportunity for real improvement. I doubt refurbished offices would be very desirable. I don't mind black boxes, but this one looks plain and cheap. And it's a prime site that should be taken advantage of.

Bk Italian 123
March 20th, 2003, 10:00 PM
Yea, they should really demolish that thing. *It is a pain 2 look at. *And, also, that building is sitting at the spot that Larry Silverstien would like 2 build a 1,500 foot tower... for a memorial mixed-use building. If the building was demolished, then it would raise/clear that ever luminous black cloud that hovers, and closes around DTown. *

NyC MaNiAc
March 21st, 2003, 01:37 AM
Silverstein would like to build a 1500' tower there? Is this connected to the WTC or is it a separate project?

tugrul
March 21st, 2003, 02:45 AM
Silverstein's "Memorial Tower" concept has been obsoleted by the Libeskind Plan.

amigo32
March 21st, 2003, 04:10 AM
Seriously, would they really implode a building on that site? *Might it be too much of a reminder of 9/11?

Fabb
March 21st, 2003, 04:12 AM
Right.
That's why they would dismantle it, not implode it.

StevenRosenow
March 21st, 2003, 05:09 AM
In my opinion, I think it'd be a mistake demolishing the building. Granted, it might cost more to fix, but the damage to the Deutsch Bank building was almost as severe in scale as the damage to the American Express building that was across from One World Trade. Whole sections of tower facade were imbedded in it, as well as nearly wiping out the eastern end of the Winter Garden. They didn't demolish the Amex Building, instead they rebuilt it AND the Winter Garden.

I think the Deutsch Bank building deserves the same kind of treatment. Rebuild it, not demolish it.

(Edited by StevenRosenow at 4:10 am on Mar. 21, 2003)

ZippyTheChimp
March 21st, 2003, 09:20 AM
You have that backwards. The damage to Amex was much less severe than Deutsche Bank. 2WTC was closer to it than 1WTC was to Amex. 1WTC fell almost vertically, while 2WTC toppled
toward the southeast, sending more debris into the building.

During recovery, all the buildings around the site were inspected for danger of collapse. Amex was declared stable, while Deutsche Bank remained a question mark for months, and generated several evacuation alarms.

Amex was sealed off, while Deutsche Bank remained open to the elements.

Why would it be a mistake to demolish it?

JMGarcia
March 21st, 2003, 10:06 AM
Deutsche Bank also wants more space. Amex didn't.

billyblancoNYC
March 21st, 2003, 12:41 PM
Yeah, but I'm sure DB would love to have a nice, shiny new, more modern facility to work in. *This building is not hideous, but it's far from great. *If the WTC has any value architecturally (we can all hope and assume), then this building would not complement the site well at all. This is just my opinion, but it would be great to have, maybe, a taller, beautful glass structure to push along the DT rebirth and increase it's value as a great destination. *Besides, wouldn't a nice mixed us building be better for the area (condos, offices, retail, cultural)?

Fabb
March 21st, 2003, 01:10 PM
Quote: from billyblancoNYC on 11:41 am on Mar. 21, 2003
Yeah, but I'm sure DB would love to have a nice, shiny new, more modern facility to work in. *This building is not hideous, but it's far from great. *

How do you know DB didn't love its building ?
After all, they chose it for a reason.
Some people might just like squat, black boxes...

JMGarcia
March 21st, 2003, 02:07 PM
The DB building became the DB building when they bought Bankers Trust. DB had nothing to do with building it. They also took a number of floors across the street in the WTC because there wasn't enough room in 130 Liberty. DB is also spread across 3 buildings in midtown that they want to get out of. The original plan was to put everyone in 60 Wall St and 130 Liberty.

My point is that DB didn't build 130 Liberty and wasn't necessarily fond of it. They would have preferred it if it was bigger and they didn't need to take space in the WTC.

diVinci
March 21st, 2003, 02:26 PM
This is the worst possible scenario for DB. *

The city inspector(s) must still pass EPA guidelines and inspection that the toxic mold "has been removed". *The EPA standards are even more stringent and depending on the inspector...could be almost impossible to pass.

If DB gets the green light from the EPA...the building would not be allowed to be imploded since it had a mold infestation at one time and could return. *Therefore, if DB wants a new structure or modify the existing structure, Liberty 130 would have to be dissembled room by room, floor by floor. *Regardless of what they do, it will be a very expensive and time consuming process.

Hopefully, they can get moving on it soon. *

I agree w/ JMGarcia...DB definitely wants more space to consolidate all of their operations into a newer building and would prefer a new landmark tower to go along with 60 Wall Street. *Thus, Libeskind tower 5, a larger more interesting design would be preferred. *


(Edited by diVinci at 1:33 pm on Mar. 21, 2003)

Fabb
March 21st, 2003, 02:53 PM
Quote: from JMGarcia on 1:07 pm on Mar. 21, 2003
The DB building became the DB building when they bought Bankers Trust. DB had nothing to do with building it.

Why do you think they bought Bankers Trust ?
I'm telling you, they just loved 130 Liberty.


They also took a number of floors across the street in the WTC because there wasn't enough room in 130 Liberty. DB is also spread across 3 buildings in midtown that they want to get out of. The original plan was to put everyone in 60 Wall St and 130 Liberty.

My point is that DB didn't build 130 Liberty and wasn't necessarily fond of it. They would have preferred it if it was bigger and they didn't need to take space in the WTC.


Apparently, nothing is big enough for DB.
Now, please, someone explain me again why super-tall buildings don't make sense.

Evan
March 21st, 2003, 06:56 PM
Had DB ever heard of consolidation?

Kris
June 20th, 2003, 06:41 AM
June 20, 2003

Last Days for a Survivor of Sept. 11

By EDWARD WYATT and CHARLES V. BAGLI

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The Deutsche Bank building, draped in netting and seen through Thursday's muggy air, is just south of the World Trade Center site.

The battered and disfigured Deutsche Bank building in Lower Manhattan, among the last remaining buildings damaged in the Sept. 11 terrorist attack whose fate has not been decided, has been deemed beyond repair and is expected to be taken down beginning next month, according to people involved in negotiations on its future.

It will be the end of an unlikely symbol. In the days immediately after Sept. 11, 2001, the boxy, 40-story skyscraper next to the ruined World Trade Center became a talisman of hope to many rescue workers at ground zero. Human remains were found on its roof.

Sentiment downtown was overwhelmingly in favor of repairing it if possible, the thought of another building coming down being too much for many people to bear. At least eight buildings were destroyed and at least seven were seriously damaged in the terrorist attack.

The weeks have stretched into months, and now the building at 130 Liberty Street, veiled in black netting, has become an unwelcome symbol of decay — "an ever-present reminder of the darkest moment in our past," Gov. George E. Pataki said in April — in a neighborhood that is struggling to revive itself.

Mr. Pataki also directed that rebuilding officials "replace the shroud with a mural trumpeting a new symbol to rise at ground zero," the 1,776-foot tower designed by Studio Daniel Libeskind.

The building must be disassembled more than torn down, covered in an airtight tarp to contain the asbestos and other contaminants that have made the building unusable. As a result, the cost of the work has been estimated at more than $100 million, according to people involved in planning the project. Insurance payments to Deutsche Bank are expected to cover most of the cost. The mural the governor ordered is expected to be installed on the tarp in September at a cost of $1.5 million.

Downtown residents and businesses have pushed government officials to force a decision about the Deutsche Bank building. "The only hope we have down here is in the rebuilding of this area," said Madelyn Wils, the chairwoman of Community Board 1, the neighborhood advisory board for Lower Manhattan and a director of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. To many, she said, the building "represents the slowness of the progress down here."

What will happen to the property once the building is removed is still uncertain, although many people have made their interest clear. Deutsche Bank has expressed a willingness to sell it, according to people who have participated in discussions.

The Bloomberg administration has indicated its interest in acquiring the property, possibly for residential construction. Daniel L. Doctoroff, the deputy mayor for economic development and rebuilding, said the area south of Liberty Street was "an emerging residential neighborhood," adding that the building "could be a mixed-use site, with a trading floor at the base with a separate entrance for apartments up above."

Officials at the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey are also interested in the future of the property. One version of Daniel Libeskind's plan for ground zero places a 1.67-million-square-foot office building there.

Matthew Higgins, chief operating officer of the development corporation, said rebuilding officials had always considered the possibility of including the Deutsche Bank property in the overall planning for the site. But, he said, "it's premature to say whether we'd have an interest in the property."

Because of its proximity to the area's transportation hub, it might be attractive to a commercial developer, although it would be difficult to justify an office building there when 10 million square feet of space is scheduled to go up across the street over the next decade.

Since the Sept. 11 attack, Deutsche Bank has been battling with the building's four insurers over its fate, and the bank has maintained for at least six months that the structure is beyond salvage. The insurance companies disagreed, wanting to rebuild, at least until recently. Last week the bank reached a tentative settlement with the lead insurer, the Chubb Group of Insurance Companies, which would allow the demolition to proceed, according to three people involved in planning the building's future.

Rohini Pragasam, a spokeswoman for Deutsche Bank, declined to comment on the settlement or the building's future. "We continue to work toward a final decision on the fate of the building," she said. Mark Schussel, a spokesman for Chubb, also declined to comment. A final deal requires approval by the three other insurers — AXA, Allianz and Zurich — and negotiations continue.

The building, known as the Bankers Trust Building until Deutsche Bank merged with Bankers Trust a few years ago, was built in the early 1970's and contained 1.4 million square feet of office space. It was connected to the World Trade Center by a footbridge across Liberty Street and was designed by Shreve, Lamb & Harmon Associates, the architecture firm that also designed the Empire State Building, and Peterson & Brickbauer.

Although steel falling from the south tower of the trade center ripped a 24-story gash in its northern facade, the building remained structurally sound. Its sprinkler system was triggered, however, and the combination of standing water, contaminants from the trade center, sealed windows and little direct sunlight spawned a robust strain of mold throughout much of the building.

After an intense cleaning, the city health department declared the building free of mold earlier this year. The dismantling of the building will still require engineers to pay close attention to environmental hazards, accounting for most of the costs of taking the building down.

Raising scaffolding around the building to support the tarp enclosing the project will cost more than $10 million, according to a real estate executive familiar with the project. The removal of asbestos and other contaminants is expected to cost more than $70 million, while taking apart the structure will run at least $25 million.

The fate of one other building near ground zero remains unresolved: Fiterman Hall, a 15-story building at 30 West Broadway. On Sept. 11, 2001, its owner, the Borough of Manhattan Community College, was three weeks away from unveiling a $64 million renovation. The college has been working with the State Dormitory Authority and its insurers on the building's future.


Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

NYguy
June 20th, 2003, 08:58 AM
I guess we all saw it coming...

(Daily News)

Skyscraper to be razed at WTC site

By MAGGIE HABERMAN and GREG GITTRICH

A office tower at the edge of Ground Zero that was badly damaged in the Sept. 11 attacks will be demolished because of mold infestation, the Daily News has learned.

The steel and glass tower, owned by Deutsche Bank, has been vacant since debris from the twin towers tore a 24-story gash into its facade.

The black fungus apparently grew rapidly because of dark and damp conditions in the abandoned tower.

Sources told The News yesterday that Deutsche Bank is expected to raze the 40-story building in the next few months.

A Deutsche Bank spokeswoman would only say that bank officials are "continuing to work toward reaching a final decision."

The bank has reached an agreement with one of the four companies that insured the $178 million tower, a source said.

Demolishing the tower at 130 Liberty St. could give state and city rebuilding officials greater flexibility as they move to rebuild Ground Zero.

A version of architect Daniel Libeskind's site plan for Ground Zero contemplates building a new commercial tower on the Deutsche Bank property.

The land could be purchased by the state and city. But no decisions have been made.

A spokeswoman for the city Buildings Department said the bank has not filed for a demolition permit. Its most recent application indicates that significant repairs would be made.

But sources said those repairs are needed to prevent the mold from spreading to adjacent buildings during demolition.

StevenRosenow
June 20th, 2003, 09:07 AM
Pardon my language, but this sucks!!!

JMGarcia
June 20th, 2003, 09:18 AM
I worked for years in 130 Liberty. It was a sucky building and I'm not surprised DB should want to get rid of it. Especially now that they own 60 Wall St.

Evan
June 20th, 2003, 11:32 AM
Quote: from StevenRosenow on 8:07 am on June 20, 2003
Pardon my language, but this sucks!!!


Why does this suck?

billyblancoNYC
June 20th, 2003, 11:34 AM
I think it's great. *A nice, new glass tower will rise here. *Maybe even some residences, since it's not technially WTC. *I've been hoping for this.

ZippyTheChimp
June 20th, 2003, 11:41 AM
Sentiment downtown was overwhelmingly in favor of repairing it if possible
Where did they find this overwhelming sentiment?


(Edited by ZippyTheChimp at 11:15 am on June 20, 2003)

Fabb
June 20th, 2003, 11:53 AM
That kind of information is a clear sign that the masses are being manipulated.

ZippyTheChimp
June 20th, 2003, 12:20 PM
Manipulation.
What is probably true is that there is overwhelming sentiment to resolve it's status, but not necessarily save it.

NYatKNIGHT
June 20th, 2003, 12:45 PM
Yeah, I was wondering that too, how do they gauge the sentiment downtown? Where did they come up with that? It's unnerving that there are probably just a few people speaking for all of downtown if that's the case.

One version of Daniel Libeskind's plan for ground zero places a 1.67-million-square-foot office building there.

Isn't that the version we all know?

Eugenius
June 20th, 2003, 12:54 PM
So now we tear down the DB building, and put up... a replica of the Singer Building, perhaps?

But no, that's too much to hope for.

JMGarcia
June 20th, 2003, 01:15 PM
Quote: from NYatKNIGHT on 11:45 am on June 20, 2003
Yeah, I was wondering that too, how do they gauge the sentiment downtown? Where did they come up with that? It's unnerving that there are probably just a few people speaking for all of downtown if that's the case.

One version of Daniel Libeskind's plan for ground zero places a 1.67-million-square-foot office building there.

Isn't that the version we all know?


There is one Libeskind plan with office on the site and another with residential on the site which increased the height of the 4 remaining office towers.

It has always been presented by Silverstein as a fait accompli that the lower office buildings version was the accepted plan. He even proposed, as you know, a 5th tower on site rather than raising the lower office buildings. If he had taken the taller plan there was no need to have a 5th tower on site to get the same amount of space.

Agglomeration
June 20th, 2003, 01:38 PM
So now 1.3 million sq ft of office space will soon pass into history by the end of this year, and who will it all be accomodated? It's sad really, to see another skyscraper angel created out of 9-11. :sad:

(Edited by Agglomeration at 12:38 pm on June 20, 2003)

Fabb
June 20th, 2003, 01:53 PM
That's correct.
If DB is included in the plan, there will be a net loss of office space.

NYatKNIGHT
June 20th, 2003, 02:49 PM
Quote: from JMGarcia on 12:15 pm on June 20, 2003
There is one Libeskind plan with office on the site and another with residential on the site which increased the height of the 4 remaining office towers.But both versions counted on using the DB building or lot, right? I was just wondering why the article said this:

What will happen to the property once the building is removed is still uncertain, although many people have made their interest clear.

Will it be part of the overall architectural theme that Libeskind oversees or is it fair game for all interested parties?

TLOZ Link5
June 20th, 2003, 07:28 PM
Quote: from Eugenius on 11:54 am on June 20, 2003
So now we tear down the DB building, and put up... a replica of the Singer Building, perhaps?

But no, that's too much to hope for.


Oh God, don't we hope. *Yet One Liberty Plaza is now where the Singer Building once stood.

StevenRosenow
June 21st, 2003, 05:04 AM
Quote: from Evan on 10:32 am on June 20, 2003

Quote: from StevenRosenow on 8:07 am on June 20, 2003
Pardon my language, but this sucks!!!


Why does this suck?


Why? because it would've been more symbolic to repair it and put it back in service. It's still structurally sound - so it'd be a shame to waste over a million square feet of office space.

ZippyTheChimp
June 21st, 2003, 09:19 AM
Structurally sound.

This does not mean that the building is economically viable.
Toxic remediation would be even more expensive if the intention was to reoccupy. The Post Office on Vesey is still undergoing cleanup. I'm sure that Deutsche Bank and the insurers came to the agreement that the cost of rebuild was too high.

I can understand the symbolic aspect of the building as survivor, but there are many other survivors around the site.

The Barclay Building and 90 West are NYC landmarks.
St Paul's Chapel and the 10/10 firehouse - no comment needed.
Millenium Hilton and Century 21 - economic rebirth.

I hope the site gets a residential or mixed-use building. Push all the office space on the WTC site, and maybe get taller towers.

billyblancoNYC
June 21st, 2003, 10:01 AM
Maybe a residental/hotel mix, overlooking the site and not having to worry about putting the hotel (Marriott) on the site. *

Fabb
June 21st, 2003, 12:49 PM
... or an elegant 1350-ft office building.

NYatKNIGHT
June 21st, 2003, 03:06 PM
That would mess with Dan's swooping vision.

TLOZ Link5
June 21st, 2003, 03:07 PM
I'd recommend a tall residential building, maybe like Downtown's answer to TWT. *It definitely would have to implement the zoning clause that requires 20% of a development to be marketed to middle-income residents.

NoyokA
June 21st, 2003, 03:09 PM
Probably the most likely outcome is more space here, less height at the WTC....

yanni111
August 2nd, 2003, 04:15 AM
has anyone else noticed that in the last week they have taken the tarp off of the section facing the WTC? The insides of the building are totally exposed since a large part of the outer wall is missing. Is the missing wall segments from the towers falling on it or were those beams taken off piece by piece recently?

Agglomeration
August 2nd, 2003, 02:59 PM
"Probably the most likely outcome is more space here, less height at the WTC.... "

If this is true, then what's gonna happen to the 1.2 million sq ft of space that the Deutsche Bank once had?

TLOZ Link5
August 2nd, 2003, 07:12 PM
They haven't yet decided what to do with the site, save for the fact that the building will be razed. *Let's cross that bridge when we get to it.

NYguy
August 4th, 2003, 03:38 PM
Quote: from TLOZ Link5 on 2:07 pm on June 21, 2003
I'd recommend a tall residential building, maybe like Downtown's answer to TWT. *It definitely would have to implement the zoning clause that requires 20% of a development to be marketed to middle-income residents.


I still get the feeling that the developer of the proposed 1 NY Place will get his tower somewhere in the area. *Downtown is in the midst of a boom in residential towers.

Freedom Tower
August 4th, 2003, 04:00 PM
Agglomeration, I was thinking the same thing as you. I was wondering when the Deutsche Bank is razed then will it's space be replaced? From what I hear it won't. They'll just use the space for a fifth tower, to get the 10 million sq ft of office space Silverstein wants with the thin and short towers he wants. I sure hope Deutsche Bank decides to sell to someone besides Silverstein. Everyone keeps saying all the 10 million sq ft will be replaced but they forget that WTC7 will have a lot less space, 200,000 sq ft less, I think. And to top that off Deutsche Bank may not be replaced. That'd be a huge loss, nearly 2 million sq ft, I think.

ZippyTheChimp
August 4th, 2003, 04:20 PM
The downtown office vacancy rate is still quite high, but there have been encouraging signs.

from the Wall St Journal:
http://homes.wsj.com/regionalnews/northeast/20030704-morrissey.html

billyblancoNYC
August 4th, 2003, 05:43 PM
It'll come around, especially with all the residential and parks plans. *When transit is improved, you will see a bigtime turnaround, I think. *This seems to be the one major thing holding people back. Add the WTC and it's memeorial/cultural center and the possible East River development. *Downtown will rebound nicely. *Still one of the most desirable commercial areas in America, if not the world.

TLOZ Link5
August 4th, 2003, 07:42 PM
Keep in mind the airport rail link, as well.

billyblancoNYC
August 5th, 2003, 09:35 AM
Ah yes, the cherry on the sundae.

Kris
August 9th, 2003, 05:00 AM
August 9, 2003

Insurers Block Plans to Raze Deutsche Bank

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

Plans to tear down the Deutsche Bank building at the foot of the World Trade Center site are being blocked by two insurance companies arguing that the 40-story skyscraper can be repaired and reoccupied, a position that threatens to complicate the redevelopment of ground zero.

Those involved in the design and development of the site have for weeks operated under the assumption that the bank building, at 130 Liberty Street, would be torn down and the land it stands on incorporated into the ambitious construction project. But now, the fate of the building is uncertain, and its owner, Deutsche Bank, is promising to go to court on Monday if the insurers do not agree by tomorrow to declare it a total loss and let it be torn down.

The bank has taken tens of thousands of samples from the building and told insurers that it is too contaminated to reoccupy.

"At this point we are moving forward with a plan that incorporates 130 Liberty into the redevelopment plan," said a senior official involved in the rebuilding effort. "That does not in any way anticipate that the building will still be there. It anticipates the building will be taken down."

For the moment, at least one of the insurers, Allianz, is holding firm, insisting that the total loss to Deutsche Bank should be about $500 million, less than half of the $1.05 billion the owner has claimed. Allianz is responsible for 30 percent of any claim and the second insurer, AXA, of Paris, would have to cover 20 percent. Two other insurers who have agreed to settle with the bank would pay the other 50 percent.

"The conclusion is, like the surrounding buildings, this can be cleaned and repaired," said Sabia Schwarzer, an Allianz spokeswoman based in Silver Spring, Md., who confirmed that her company received Deutsche Bank's ultimatum in a letter at its headquarters in Germany earlier this week. An AXA spokesman in Paris said the company would not comment on matters involving its clients.

Unless Allianz's position is a negotiating tactic, it could complicate the construction of a memorial and business complex on and around the World Trade Center site. At the very least, a lawsuit could delay dealing with a building that some community and public officials have said is a symbol of decay and inaction in Lower Manhattan.

The fate of the Deutsche Bank building has also been framed as a question of aesthetics. By removing the 1970's-era steel-and-glass skyscraper that soars 560 feet into the air, developers and designers would be able to better integrate the new project into the community, said Fredric Bell, executive director of the New York chapter of the American Institute of Architects.

"What happens around the perimeter of the 16-acre site is as significant as what happens on the site itself," Mr. Bell said. "In creating a neighborhood, there needs to be a degree of continuity. That building is a symbol of the past and not the future."

On Sept. 11, 2001, the building, which stood just 600 feet from 2 World Trade Center, was blasted with debris. More than 1,700 windows were shattered, and a piece of the collapsing trade center tower smashed into the building's north face, tearing a gash, breaking through concrete and twisting beams across 15 floors.

But Deutsche Bank has said that the main reason the building could not be reoccupied was because of contamination from dust spiked with asbestos and other contaminants. It wrote in its claim that the building was subject to tornado-force winds, earthquake-like shaking and pressure waves that forced dust into "every crack and crevice" in the building.

"The building was the most affected of major office buildings outside of the W.T.C. site itself," Deutsche Bank wrote.

How to redevelop Lower Manhattan has been a sensitive issue from the very start, complicated by efforts to balance business interests with emotional and aesthetic concerns. Recently, after months of arguing, officials overseeing the project resolved major areas of dispute, paving the way for Daniel Libeskind's winning design to be built in substantially recognizable form.

But several of those resolutions were predicated on the availability of the land beneath the Deutsche Bank building. Though Deutsche Bank has not said what it would do with its parcel if the building is torn down, it has indicated that it would be willing to sell it, which could provide a contiguous piece of land suitable for office space. Engineers for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey have also been looking at moving a security screening area used by trucks making deliveries to a site beneath what is now the Deutsche Bank building.

But the building would have to come down first.

"It is a safety valve, in that it does relieve the pressure of having too dense a development on the site," Mr. Bell said. "It is a way of releasing that pressure, and it could work in the context of redeveloping Lower Manhattan."

If the issue with the insurers is not resolved, public officials could still move to condemn the property, pay Deutsche Bank what was determined to be the parcel's market value, and file its own lawsuit against the insurers seeking to compel them to pay, said the senior official involved in the rebuilding.

Deutsche Bank has four insurers for the building, with a total possible benefit of $1.7 billion. Two insurers have already agreed to Deutsche Bank's $1.05 billion estimate of loss — the Chubb Corporation, which would be responsible for covering 30 percent, and Zurich Financial, which would cover 20 percent.

Allianz and AXA said that they estimated the total loss as about $500 million, according to people affiliated with the insurers, and they have asked Deutsche Bank to turn over proof of its loss by Monday. Deutsche Bank declined to elaborate, saying that negotiations were ongoing.

However this is resolved, the building will either have to be taken down or repaired. Either could prove difficult and costly, said Howard P. Zweig, a structural engineer who was part of the building's original design team. Mr. Zweig, who is managing partner with The Office of James Ruderman engineering firm, said he had not been involved in the inspection of the building after Sept. 11, but from a structural perspective, it appeared that the building could probably be repaired. That was the same conclusion reached by the Federal Emergency Management Agency in a study published in May 2002.

However, Mr. Zweig and others said potential contamination could prove a problem, not only for reoccupation but also for taking the building down.

Neighbors of the building, who fled after the disaster and have in many cases only recently returned home, are of mixed minds about taking it down. Some want to see it leveled, while others are concerned about the noise and danger associated with the demolition.

"There are concerns over the environmental impact," said Paul Goldstein, district manager of Community Board 1, which represents Lower Manhattan. "But there is a lot of interest in taking it down. It's just another sign of Sept. 11."


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NoyokA
August 9th, 2003, 11:40 AM
Hopefully it will be restored so Silverstein will have no choice but to build on-site. If demolished Silverstein can move upto 2 million square feet here, and lower heights all-around.

TonyO
August 9th, 2003, 11:45 AM
Try to get tenants who want to work in a building that had a "toxic mold". *Insurers never cease to amaze me.

NoyokA
August 9th, 2003, 12:06 PM
Most buildings from the same era had problems with asbestos, few if any were demolished. Economically and emotionally it is cheaper and all around to repair than to rebuild.

Freedom Tower
August 9th, 2003, 04:30 PM
All I can say is I hope that the DB decision gets delayed so long that Silverstein will have to build on-site, like Stern says, and keep the heights high and the widths wide. I don't want the WTC site to be a dissapointment. Then after it's too late for Silverstein to buy DB property hopefully they will raze it and build something better. I wouldn't trust the strength of that building no matter what they did to it. It's better to just start with a clean slate.

ZippyTheChimp
August 9th, 2003, 05:42 PM
I'm not so sure Stern. The federal building cleanup cost is already $30 million. Fiterman Hall is still battling with the insurer.

Freedom Tower: It's the PA that's considering buying the site, not Silverstein.

BrooklynRider
August 9th, 2003, 08:18 PM
Right, after all the talk about the PA getting out of the real estate business.

NyC MaNiAc
August 10th, 2003, 10:29 AM
So if the DB building is going down...could anything Tall and Impressive be going up?

Freedom Tower
August 10th, 2003, 11:37 PM
Thanks Zippy, you know too much ;). NYC Maniac - from what I've heard if the DB building is torn down it's just going to shorten all of Libeskinds buildings because that is where he'll place his fifth tower. So if it gets torn down it may actually in affect, lessen the height of other buildings. So instead of getting something great, it'll take away some of the great buildings we could've gotten. Or at least thats what I've been hearing. I am not 100% sure.

JMGarcia
August 11th, 2003, 12:28 AM
The Libeskind plan always included a 5th tower on the site of 130 Liberty St. to bring the office space up to 10 million sq. ft. In the plan it is about 100 feet taller than the current building.

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NyC MaNiAc
August 11th, 2003, 05:41 AM
Blah. Such nonsense. Yet another oppurtunity to buiild a great building will instead be taken up by another building at the Trade Center site?

Geez, I think people wanted 2 Tall, Majestic, and imposing towers...not FIVE small ones.

Freedom Tower
August 11th, 2003, 03:00 PM
Thanks for the info Garcia. It's interesting. What would be done if DB did not want to sell? Was that Plan 2?

Kris
August 11th, 2003, 03:09 PM
Deutsche Bank Sues Insurers To Proceed With Demolition (http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentint id=32370)

Chicagoan
August 11th, 2003, 04:35 PM
Reuters
Deutsche Bank Sues Insurers on 9/11 Claim
Monday August 11, 3:24 pm ET
By Jonathan Stempel


NEW YORK (Reuters) - Deutsche Bank AG (XETRA:DBKGn.DE - News) on Monday sued Europe's two largest insurers to try to force them to pay for the demolition and replacement of its damaged office building at the south end of the World Trade Center site.

In its complaint filed with the New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan, Deutsche Bank said the 41-story building at 130 Liberty Street, which is now unoccupied and shrouded in black netting, is a "total loss."

The insurers, Germany's Allianz AG (XETRA:ALVG.DE - News) and France's AXA (Paris:AXAF.PA - News), have said the building might instead be repaired, for less money.

The lawsuit may further complicate plans to redevelop the area near Ground Zero, and is one of many insurance lawsuits arising from the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Deutsche Bank said the building suffered a 15-story gash when the Twin Towers collapsed, and is now infected with mold. It said tornado-force winds from the falling towers distributed asbestos and other contaminants throughout the building.

The bank said it decided the building should be razed after spending more than $33 million over 10 months for a team of experts to study structural and contamination issues.

"The only reasonably feasible solution is to stabilize, surgically tear down, demolish and replace the building," the lawsuit said. A ruling in favor of Allianz and AXA might cost the bank "several hundreds of millions of dollars," it said.

Sabia Schwarzer, an Allianz spokeswoman in Washington, D.C., said "there may be very good reasons for the building to come down." Still, she said Allianz's "obligation is to reimburse Deutsche Bank with insured losses associated with the damage. But that's all."

AXA did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

COVERAGE

Deutsche Bank said its insurance policies for the building provide $1.715 billion of coverage, less than the $1.9 billion it expects ultimately to have lost from the attacks.

It said Allianz and AXA must pay their respective 30 percent and 20 percent shares of the cost of razing and replacing the building, equivalent to a payout of $858 million.

Allianz and AXA have estimated the entire building can be cleaned and repaired for $500 million.

Deutsche Bank said it has already settled with Chubb Corp. (NYSE:CB - News) and Zurich Financial Services AG (ZURZn.VX), which provided the building's remaining insurance coverage, after agreeing to estimate the total loss at $1.05 billion.

The bank had given Allianz and AXA until Sunday to settle out of court, people familiar with the matter said.

In another high-profile lawsuit stemming from the attacks, World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein is battling insurers over whether the Twin Towers' destruction was two events, entitling him to two claims worth more than $7 billion, or one, entitling him to half that amount. (Additional reporting by Jan Dahinten in Frankfurt, Philip Klein in New York and Mary Kelleher in Paris.)

JMGarcia
August 11th, 2003, 06:16 PM
Quote: from Freedom Tower on 2:00 pm on Aug. 11, 2003
Thanks for the info Garcia. It's interesting. What would be done if DB did not want to sell? Was that Plan 2?


The other option to Libeskind's plan had the 4 office towers on site each 5 stories taller to make up for the space at 130 Liberty St. which was set to be rebuilt as residential and hotel.

Kris
August 12th, 2003, 05:05 AM
August 12, 2003

Bank Sues to Force Insurers to Declare Tower 9/11 Loss

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

Deutsche Bank filed a lawsuit yesterday seeking to force two insurance companies to declare its office building across from the World Trade Center site a complete loss, in a dispute that threatens to complicate the redevelopment of Lower Manhattan.

The bank-owned skyscraper, at 130 Liberty Street, at the south end of ground zero, stands on a parcel of land that developers, designers and public officials have for weeks assumed would be available for use in the redevelopment project. But the bank's decision to file suit signals renewed uncertainty over the fate of the building.

The bank says in court papers that the building is too badly contaminated with toxic materials like asbestos and mercury to ever be reoccupied, and that insurers Allianz and AXA must pay their contracted share of a $1.715 billion loss. The lawsuit, filed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, is heavy with legal and scientific arguments, but also seeks to capitalize on the intensity of feeling associated with helping Lower Manhattan overcome the damage of the 2001 terrorist attack.

"Until this impasse is resolved," the suit says, "the building remains a dark reminder of unspeakable tragedy and threatens to impede efforts to redevelop ground zero."

The insurers have not moved from their position that the building can be repaired, cleaned and reoccupied and that Deutsche Bank has lost no more than $500 million. In addition, Allianz spokeswoman Sabia Schwarzer said the dispute between her company and the bank had nothing to do with whether the building stayed up or came down. An AXA spokesman, Christophe Dufraux, did not return two calls to his Paris office.

"They could do whatever they want with the building," said Ms. Schwarzer, who is based in Silver Spring, Md. "It's not for Allianz to decide. It is their building. We have no stake in that. We have the responsibility to reimburse them on insured losses."

The conflict threatens to drag on, stoked by a combination of large financial stakes and political pressures. AXA and Allianz are so far apart from Deutsche Bank in terms of estimated loss — more than half a billion dollars — that the expense of a court fight might be worth the investment. At the same time, the two insurers could find themselves under pressure from politicians eager to see the dispute resolved, a reality that might force a settlement but also could improve their bargaining position.

"There is enough money here at stake that, yes, both sides would go through the expense of the litigation," said Aurora Cassirer, an expert in insurance litigation and a managing partner at the New York City office of Jenkens & Gilchrist Parker Chapin.

The dispute arose at a time when public officials, designers and developers were moving toward a consensus on the redevelopment project. For months there were arguments over many details of the plan, some of which were resolved by an agreement to use the land occupied by the bank building.

Kevin Rampe, president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, said the ambitious redevelopment project most likely would not be interrupted by the dispute between Deutsche Bank and its insurers because he expected that the building would be torn down.

"From L.M.D.C.'s perspective, we are committed to the inclusion of the property in the planning effort, and we fully expect it will be included at the end of the day," he said. "I think there is a strong public interest in having the plan with the Deutsche Bank property."

There are various situations that could, theoretically, pave the way for the building's demolition. Public officials could, for example, move to condemn the property and pay a court-determined market value for it. That, however, would put officials in the position of having to take Deutsche Bank's side in its dispute with the insurers.

Construction of the Deutsche Bank building was completed in 1974 by Bankers Trust. The name of the building changed when Deutsche Bank took over Bankers Trust. Deutsche Bank holds four insurance policies on the building totaling up to $1.715 billion. Two of the insurers agreed recently to settle with Deutsche Bank for $1.05 billion: the Chubb Corporation, which would be responsible for covering 30 percent of that amount, and Zurich Financial, which would cover 20 percent.

Allianz and AXA have eight days to file a response in court.


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Hof
August 15th, 2003, 02:02 PM
Here in Florida there have been many costly attempts to remove mold from large buildings,and most of them have met with a dismally expensive failure.
In one case in central Florida,a large County Administration building caught mold.It forced the evacuation of a two-year old,$18 million dollar structure for a couple of years while the mold was cleaned out.
The decontamination cost exceeded the cost of the building.Shortly after it was re-occupied,the building re-infested,and the whole process was done again.The building is again re-occupied,but the employees working there do not trust the building,fearing another mold incident.The County is erecting a new courthouse and will eventually demolish the existing structure.
130 Liberty should be demolished.Once mold takes a building,you can never be certain that it will be free of it,no matter how thorough the cleaning process.

Kris
August 26th, 2003, 07:24 AM
August 26, 2003

2 Insurers Say Bank's Suit Tries to Capitalize on 9/11

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

This time it was the insurance companies' turn, and they did not hold back, declaring that Deutsche Bank was cynically seeking to exploit the Sept. 11 attack to tar their image and force insurers to pay more than $1 billion for the damage to the bank's former United States headquarters near ground zero.

The increasingly bitter tenor of the dispute between Deutsche Bank and the insurers Allianz and AXA does not bode well for a speedy resolution to the conflict over exactly how badly damaged the bank building was when the World Trade Center towers collapsed.

Developers, public officials and community leaders have assumed for weeks that the redevelopment project for Lower Manhattan would incorporate the Liberty Street parcel on which the bank stands.

The bank filed suit this month, insisting that the building was too contaminated to be reoccupied and asking the court to force Allianz and AXA to declare the building a total loss and pay their contracted share of $1.7 billion in insured value. There are four insurance contracts on the building, but the two other insurers have agreed to pay a share of a negotiated $1 billion settlement.

The bank has indicated that it wants the building demolished and the parcel used in the redevelopment of ground zero, but it says the building cannot be torn down until the dispute is resolved.

In its filing in State Supreme Court in Manhattan yesterday, Allianz wrote that it and AXA still believed the building could be cleaned, repaired and reoccupied, and that Deutsche Bank was seeking to win an "inflated settlement."

Allianz said the dispute with Deutsche Bank should in no way impede the redevelopment of Lower Manhattan, because even without a resolution the property can be sold and the building demolished. The sale, it said, could be done through a negotiated deal or the use of eminent domain, in which a government entity would buy the parcel at its current market value.

/>The court filing said that Deutsche Bank "repeatedly mischaracterizes the nature of its dispute with A.I.C. and AXA in a cynical attempt to leverage the lingering image of Sept. 11 into more dollars from its insurers."

The papers asked the court to declare the bank's request for an expedited trial unnecessary because the insurers have invoked a clause in their contracts that permits disputes over value of damage to be settled through an appraisal conducted by a three-member panel. The insurers and the bank would each select one panel member; those members would then together select a third. The bank said it would move forward with the panel, even as it pursues the lawsuit.

The insurers charge that the bank is "trying to get an inflated settlement from its insurance companies not based on the facts of the dispute but based on other emotional or political pressures," said John B. Massopust, a lawyer with the firm of Zelle, Hofmann, Voelbel, Mason & Gette in Minneapolis, representing Allianz.

The bank declined to respond yesterday other than to refer to its own court filing, in which it said, "The damage to the building resulting from the events of Sept. 11 is of such magnitude and extent that the only reasonably feasible solution is to stabilize, surgically tear down, demolish and replace the building."

The 40-story former Bankers Trust building is at 130 Liberty Street, about 300 feet away from where the south trade center tower stood. When the tower collapsed, debris blasted the glass façade of the building and tore a 15-story gash in its face. Deutsche Bank has said it spent millions of dollars on tests and concluded that the building was badly contaminated by toxic dust that permeated every nook and cranny in the building and that it could not possibly be cleaned.

Its court papers also evoked emotions stirred by the Sept. 11 attack, saying, "The building remains a dark reminder of unspeakable tragedy and threatens to impede efforts to redevelop ground zero."

In the legal filing, and in comments during a telephone interview, Allianz's lawyer disputed every aspect of the bank's argument, insisting, for example, that no credible evidence had been presented to prove that the building was contaminated as badly as the bank claimed in its court papers, and that there was no reason the building could not be cleaned and reoccupied, as was done with other buildings near ground zero.

Although the bank "crows loudly about the testing program that supposedly justifies its contention that 130 Liberty Street is a constructive total loss, the reality is that its conclusions are largely unsubstantiated by underlying test data, at least test data which has been furnished to A.I.C. and AXA," the lawsuit said.

Mr. Massopust, the lawyer, said that the bank was trying to rake in more than $1 billion, even though it paid just $84 million for the building and the property in 1996.

But with that argument he also exposed the bookend reality that is emerging with this dispute, in which each side presents credible-sounding arguments, only to be countered by the other. The bank, for example, pointed out in its court papers that the money it sought was to cover the cost of demolishing the building, the current cost for reconstruction, and other business losses.

The insurers said the building could be torn down even while the dispute was unresolved, but the bank received a letter from the insurers in July saying, "Allianz and AXA expect that the bank will not take any action which will impair Allianz's and AXA's ability to conduct appropriate tests within 130 Liberty Street and assume that no such action has been taken to date."

The bank said that meant that the insurers had ordered it not to tear the building down. The insurers said the bank was taking one paragraph out of context.

Allianz, through its lawyer, also accused the bank of being the one to hold up the work in Lower Manhattan by filing suit and not relying on the appraisal process, which it said would be faster. But the bank has said that it wants an expedited trial, and that an appraisal between parties that do not agree could itself become a lengthy process.

For their part, state officials have said that whatever comes of the dispute, the parcel at 130 Liberty would be incorporated into the plans.


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NYguy
August 27th, 2003, 04:28 PM
Newsday...

Deutsche Bank Site to Become Part of Ground Zero

The Associated Press

A revised World Trade Center plan will expand ground zero to the south by replacing a damaged building that is tied up in litigation with a new 1.6-million-square-foot office tower, top rebuilding officials said.

"We're going forward with the assumption that we're going to acquire the Deutsche Bank site," said Joseph Seymour, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. "It's really just a matter of execution," said Kevin Rampe, president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.

Officials have long considered including the property in the rebuilding of ground zero, but have not spoken so specifically before. Seymour and Rampe, who head the two agencies directing the redevelopment, made their comments in separate interviews with The Associated Press this week.

The 40-story Deutsche Bank building, across Liberty Street from the 16-acre trade center site, was damaged in the 2001 terrorist attack and has been shrouded in black netting since then.

Expanding the boundaries of the redevelopment site allows officials to replace all 10 million square feet of office space lost in the attack without crowding so many buildings onto 16 acres that must also accommodate a memorial, a train station and cultural facilities.

Two of the Deutsche Bank building's four insurers have balked at paying for the building's demolition, arguing that it can be repaired instead. Deutsche Bank has filed suit to force the two insurers, Allianz of Germany and AXA of France, to pay for demolition.

Seymour and Rampe said they are confident the site can be acquired _ possibly by one of their agencies or the Empire State Development Corp., the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.'s parent agency _ regardless of the litigation.

Seymour said the Deutsche Bank building will probably not be razed until 2005 and the office tower that replaces it will be the last to go up at ground zero. The entire rebuilding process could take 10 years or more, depending on demand for office space.

In addition to an office tower, officials hope to locate security screening for trucks in the area south of Liberty Street.

The Port Authority and the development corporation plan to release the revised site plan in mid- to late September, one of several key steps in the rebuilding process.

A temporary PATH train station will open in November, easing the commute for thousands of New Jersey residents who work in lower Manhattan.

The rebuilding process was in disarray at this time last year as the first anniversary of the attack approached. Six initial schemes for a rebuilt trade center had been rejected by critics and the public, forcing officials to put out a call for fresh ideas.

The past year also has seen some battles _ notably between architect Daniel Libeskind, whose overall redevelopment plan was chosen in February, and developer Larry Silverstein, who holds the lease on the property.

But rebuilding officials say consensus is much stronger now. "I think things are settled down and everybody's working together," Seymour said.

Civic groups watching the rebuilding process have also been pleased by recent moves. They applauded the decision to put the last office tower on the Deutsche Bank property and not, as Silverstein had wanted, on top of the train station.

"These are all very positive signs that there's a continuing commitment by the public authorities to the integrity of the master plan," said Robert Yaro, chairman of the Civic Alliance to Rebuild Downtown New York.

Gerald McKelvey, a spokesman for Silverstein, said that "considering the complexity of this operation and the number of parties who are involved in it, it appears to be going quite well."

JMGarcia
August 27th, 2003, 05:07 PM
Civic groups watching the rebuilding process have also been pleased by recent moves. They applauded the decision to put the last office tower on the Deutsche Bank property and not, as Silverstein had wanted, on top of the train station.

And still no one, not one person inside or outside the process, has even floated the idea of higher office towers. I can understand this from the typical NIMBYs like the Civic Alliance, but to not hear it from SOM/Childs or the PA *as even an option is absurd. Larry must've really convinced them that no one will rent it.

ZippyTheChimp
February 4th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Australian Financial Review (http://afr.com/frontpage/index.html)

Deutsche 'close to accord' on 9/11 site

2004/02/02
Bloomberg

Deutsche Bank has reached a tentative agreement with New York state, clearing the way for the demolition of the bank's damaged tower next to the World Trade Centre site, sources close to the negotiations said.

The accord, subject to the completion of environmental tests on the building at 130 Liberty Street, would remove an obstacle that threatened architect Daniel Libeskind's plan for Ground Zero and expand the space available for development at the site to avoid overcrowding.

"The Deutsche Bank settlement is key," said Mark Ginsburg, chairman of the New York chapter of the American Institute of Architects. "The plan falls like a house of cards if you don't have this worked out."

Deutsche Bank filed a lawsuit in August against Allianz and Axa, alleging they had reneged on their 50per cent share of the building's $1.72 billion policy.

The building was covered by a black shroud after the September 11 attacks and damaged by contaminants from the collapse. A toxic mould also developed during the months the building was open to the elements. The insurers said the building could be salvaged and would cost less than the amount Deutsche Bank sought.

Under a framework developed by former US senator George Mitchell - a mediator appointed by New York Governor George Pataki - negotiators from the bank, insurers Allianz and Axa and the Lower Manhattan Development Corp, a public agency yet to be determined would buy the building and pay a certain amount towards its demolition. The insurers would pay any costs above the agency's cost.

The agreement depends on the completion of environmental tests on the building, which received a 15-storey gash when the south twin tower collapsed. It is understood the insurers need to see those results before the settlement can be made.

Mr Mitchell yesterday extended the deadline for a settlement until February 27.

"The parties continue to make good progress but because of the complexity of some of the issues, more time is needed," Mr Mitchell said in a statement.

Under the tentative agreement, the agency that pays for the demolition would also buy the land, which would eventually become the property of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site.

The accord comes amid efforts by Mr Pataki to keep development at Ground Zero to a timetable he set last year. The governor imposed a December 15 deadline for the architects to agree on a design for the 541-metre Freedom Tower, and directed the appointment of an independent jury that selected the design for the memorial earlier this month.

Construction of the Freedom Tower and the memorial, as well as other infrastructure, is to begin this year under Mr Pataki's timetable.

Mr Libeskind's plan for the site includes a transit hub, other office towers and retail space.

The architect has called for service truck ramps and a security checkpoint to go under the Deutsche Bank property, avoiding the Twin Towers' footprints, an area considered sacred by many victims' families.

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Kris
February 27th, 2004, 12:46 AM
February 27, 2004

Deutsche Bank, Remnant of 9/11, Faces Demolition

By CHARLES V. BAGLI

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The Deutsche Bank Building lies just south of Ground Zero.

Deutsche Bank reached agreement yesterday with the state, insurers and downtown rebuilding officials on the fate of a 40-story skyscraper near the World Trade Center site that still stands despite being badly damaged in the Sept. 11 attacks.

The tower at 130 Liberty Street, which is draped in a black shroud to hide a deep 24-story-long gash in its northern facade, would be demolished, according to several executive and government officials who had been briefed on the negotiations. The grim remnant of the attack on the trade center would become the site of a new park, and possibly, an office building and an underground garage for the hundreds of buses that are expected to bring tourists to a trade center memorial.

"This constant reminder of that dark day will be gone," said Madelyn G. Wils, president of Community Board 1 and a director of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. "Everyone will feel relieved that this building will be coming down. It'll give us room for a park, a church and maybe an office building."

Rohini Pragasam, a spokeswoman for Deutsche Bank, declined comment. George E. Mitchell, a former United States senator, played a central role in resolving what had been a long dispute between Deutsche Bank and two of its insurers over the building. The building also became a sore point with downtown residents and employers anxious to have it wiped from the scene, the executives and officials said.

Gov. George E. Pataki appointed Mr. Mitchell, a Democrat, four months ago to mediate the discussions. But by mid-December, the two sides were at an impasse.

Mr. Mitchell then put his own proposal on the table and set a deadline for an agreement. The proposal involved government purchase of the property so that it could be incorporated into the trade center site. But rebuilding officials needed an assessment of their potential environmental risks. After several extensions, Mr. Mitchell ultimately set his deadline for today, which was met with hours to spare. "The governor had a lot of confidence that George Mitchell could bring this to a resolution" said Lisa Dewald Stoll, a spokeswoman for Mr. Pataki.

Built in the early 1970's, the 1.4-million-square-foot tower was known as the Bankers Trust Building until Deutsche Bank merged with Bankers Trust a few years ago. Today, it is considered uninhabitable.

Under the terms of the agreement signed yesterday afternoon, two insurance companies, Allianz and AXA, would pay Deutsche Bank $140 million toward its insurance claim for the property, according to the executives and officials. The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation would then buy the property from the bank for $90 million and take over a $45 million contract to demolish the structure. The insurers would be responsible for any demolition costs above $45 million.

Early on in the dispute, Deutsche Bank said it would cost $1.86 billion to demolish the tower and build a new one. Aside from the physical damage, the bank said the building suffered from water damage and mold. But the two insurers countered that the building could be salvaged and repaired for about $170 million.

Last year, the bank settled with the two other insurers, Zurich American and Chubb, that provided coverage for the property. But it sued Allianz and AXA for their portion of the coverage, about $857 million.

The Deutsche Bank property will now be added to the 16-acre trade center site, allowing planners to spread a proposed 10 million square feet of commercial space over a bigger footprint.

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ZippyTheChimp
February 27th, 2004, 09:29 AM
Earlier this week in the Battery Park City Broadsheet:

Ten-Week Project to Remove Paper and Equipment is Underway

Two and a half years after the Deutsche Bank building on Liberty Street was severely damaged by chunks of the collapsing South Tower, contaminated paper and desktop equipment are being removed from the building. Earlier work entailed extensive repairs to stabilize the structure and a major cleanup supervised by the city’s Department of Health.

According to Andy Bachman, of Tishman Construction, the paper and equipment removal began in early February, and will take 10 weeks to complete. Approximately 13 loads will be taken out daily between 7:30 AM and 11:00 PM, with most trucks exiting the site via Washington St. Some trucks will leave via Greenwich St.

“This is being handled like an asbestos abatement project,” Mr. Bachman told members of Community Board 1’s WTC Redevelopment committee on Feb 9. Executives from Deutsche Bank were in the small audience but chose not to speak.

Mr. Bachman explained that material is bagged on each floor and transferred by elevator to a sealed chamber on the ground floor, where it is put into a second bag that is washed down and wiped. The package is transferred to a truck in an interior loading dock, “so we keep everything confined in the building,” he said. “The final destination is landfill.

“Air is being monitored at several points around the building,” Mr. Bachman added.

“Why wasn’t this done before now?” asked Catherine McVay Hughes. Mr. Bachman told her that clean-up programs have been in the hands of insurance companies, the city, and the bank. “We would have liked to have started earlier,” he said.

Pat Moore, who lives next door at 125 Cedar Street, wanted an explanation of the steam that has shot from the north side of the building since late 2001. Mr. Bachman said this was a vent for the heating system. “We’re running the existing heating system wherever we can to minimize freeze-ups,” he said.

Following up on this, Robin Forst, deputy chief of staff for Council member Alan Gerson, asked what remediation had been done on the heating system. Mr. Bachman admitted that “the water sat for quite a while.” He said the water in the system had been drained, flushed, tested for bacteria, and treated.

“All work at the building is supervised by hygienists and safety managers,” Mr. Bachman said.

There is still no official decision on the dismantling of the building, although the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation is including the site in its development plans. LMDC officials are assuming they will acquire the site either through negotiations or eminent domain. Floor by floor “deconstruction” of the building is expected to begin in 2007.

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Kris
April 16th, 2004, 02:08 AM
April 16, 2004

A Survivor Faces a Slow Death, Piece by Piece

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

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An aerial photograph of the damage left by the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, with the Deutsche Bank building on the left.

One Bankers Trust Plaza has been dressed for its own funeral since 2001. Now the time is at hand.

On Tuesday, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation board authorized a contract with the Gilbane Building Company to dismantle 1 Bankers Trust Plaza at 130 Liberty Street, also known as the Deutsche Bank building.

Later this year, if all goes according to plan, the monolithic 40-story office tower immediately south of ground zero - shrouded in black netting and far too like a 536-foot-high tombstone for many New Yorkers' tastes - will be coming down.

Piece by piece.

While 130 Liberty Street will not be the tallest building ever dismantled in New York (the 612-foot Singer Building claims that distinction), it may be the most polluted.

"A combination of contaminants known to be hazardous to human health, unparalleled in any other building designed for office use, permeates the entire structure," said a damage report prepared last year for Deutsche Bank, the owner. These include asbestos, lead, mercury, dioxins, polychlorinated biphenyls, polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons and World Trade Center dust.

For many reasons - the presence of contaminants, the nearness of other buildings and utility lines, and the trauma that would surely result from the sight of another dust plume downtown - there is no talk of imploding 130 Liberty Street.

Instead, the 1.4 million-square-foot structure, unused since Sept. 11, 2001, is to be cocooned and taken down painstakingly. One engineer likened the process to a videotape of construction, run in reverse.

Interiors and machinery will be removed. The aluminum and glass facade will be stripped off. The steel and concrete skeleton will be bared. Beams and columns will be cut by workers with torches to be lowered by crane to the ground. And then the floor slabs will be broken apart until nothing remains.

Some of what will be dismantled is almost new. Late last year, to stabilize the structure against heavy winds, Deutsche Bank filled in an enormous gash between the eighth and 24th floors in the north facade that had been created by falling debris from 2 World Trade Center.

Another team will now take apart this remedial work. And much more.

Among the challenges faced by the wrecking crews will be enclosing the structure and removing potentially toxic materials. They will also have to grapple with the fact that 130 Liberty Street, like the trade center, sits in a concrete bathtub in landfill. As the load of the structure is lessened during demolition, some counterweight or fill will be needed to relieve the pressure from the surrounding water table.

But the basic dismantling process will be familiar to anyone who recalls the razing of the Singer Building at Liberty Street and Broadway 36 years ago or the New York Coliseum four years ago.

Like the Singer Building and the Coliseum, 130 Liberty Street does not have to be demolished; at least, not in the eyes of some engineers familiar with the structure and not in the eyes of two of Deutsche Bank's insurers, the Allianz Global Risks U.S. Insurance Company and the AXA Corporate Solutions Insurance Company.

"It was remarkable the way it survived," said Guy J. P. Nordenson of the structural engineering firm Guy Nordenson & Associates. "It's a shame that it isn't recognized and acknowledged and the thing actually rehabilitated."

Deutsche Bank, however, regards the property as a total loss. In a lawsuit against Allianz and AXA, it said the structure was embedded with "a unique cocktail of highly hazardous substances" that would defy attempts at cleaning and imperil future occupants.

Planning, psychology and politics also dictate demolition. State officials call the building a blight and a grisly memento, an impediment to progress. They envision a 1.6 million-square-foot replacement under the master plan by Studio Daniel Libeskind, fronting a half-acre of new landscaped open space called Liberty Park.

"Looming over us, over the entire site, is a painful reminder of what happened Sept. 11," Gov. George E. Pataki said on Feb. 27 as he announced a settlement brokered by former Senator George J. Mitchell between Deutsche Bank and the insurers. "It was extremely important, both for the long-term vision of the Libeskind plan, and for today, to get rid of that painful reminder; that the Deutsche Bank building come down."

This, after only three decades of existence.

One Bankers Trust Plaza was developed by Fisher Brothers, engineered by the Office of James Ruderman and designed by Peterson & Brickbauer, in association with Shreve, Lamb & Harmon, the firm responsible for the Empire State Building. It was built from 1973 to 1974, just after the trade center, to which it was joined by a pedestrian bridge. It remained an operations center after Deutsche Bank acquired the Bankers Trust Corporation in 1999 and had what the bank called a sophisticated trading floor.

On Sept. 11, 2001, the building was buffeted mercilessly. An entire section of 2 World Trade Center fell into the building, opening a 15-story gash, severing one of the column lines and almost instantly destroying 158,000 square feet of floor space.

Two bank employees, Sebastian Gorki and Francisco Bourdier, were killed. Mr. Gorki was at the trade center. Mr. Bourdier was last seen at 130 Liberty Street.

A 20,000-gallon diesel fuel tank in the basement ruptured and burned. Falling debris crushed the plaza and fountain at 130 Liberty Street, which had been the setting of Ophelia's drowning in a version of "Hamlet" released a year earlier by Miramax Films.

Subjected to earthquakelike shaking and tornado-force winds, 130 Liberty Street lost 1,700 windows. In poured clouds of dust, penetrating the structure through ventilating ducts, elevator shafts, stairwells and wall cavities. Damage continued for months, as mold grew throughout the building. In 2003, working with the structural engineering firm Cantor Seinuk, the Tishman Construction Corporation and Helmark Steel, the bank filled in the gash with new columns, beams and floor decks.

"The building was not in danger of collapsing," said Rohini Pragasam, a spokeswoman for the bank. "However there was a concern how the damaged structure would perform in high-wind conditions. Regardless of the building's future, it needed to be stabilized."

The bank is now disposing of computers, other electronic equipment and furniture, Ms. Pragasam said, and expects to complete this work by the end of June. Materials are placed in sealed containers, decontaminated and removed. Ms. Pragasam said the air quality around the building was being monitored around the clock.

Cleaning and contaminant removal at 130 Liberty Street is expected to begin as early as summer, said a spokeswoman for the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. Demolition - or deconstruction, as state officials call it, to distinguish it from implosion - is to begin as early as the fall and be completed in mid-2005.

"Taking down the building is an important symbol of Lower Manhattan's rebirth," said Kevin M. Rampe, president of the development corporation. It expects to pay up to $164 million to acquire and clear the site, using a grant from the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Of that, $90 million is being paid to Deutsche Bank, which is also to get $140 million from Allianz and AXA, and up to $45 million to the Gilbane Building Company of Providence, R.I. The corporation expects to spend up to $29 million for pollution liability insurance, community outreach, a contingency for litigation, a demolition manager and additional environmental review, testing and monitoring. Controlled Demolition Inc., which was responsible for tearing down the remains of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, is working with Gilbane. The Louis Berger Group is an environmental consultant.

Among those watching warily are residents of 125 Cedar Street, a block away, who have asked the development corporation to provide assurances that buildings as large as 130 Liberty Street have been torn down safely with neighbors in place and to inform the public what would happen if dust or contaminants exceeded safe levels. The corporation responded in the environmental statement that the cleaning and deconstruction of 130 Liberty Street would be "subject to all applicable laws and regulations" and that the corporation "would keep the community, including area residents and businesses, informed."

Acknowledging the testing performed for Deutsche Bank, the corporation said in the environmental statement that it had been "advised that such testing was not sufficient to determine whether any of such contaminants were present at levels that would render them hazardous."

Steps to isolate contaminants would include the use of air pumps to create negative air pressure within the enclosed areas; installing barriers at windows, doors, elevator shafts and stairways; and cleaning surfaces with high-efficiency particulate air-filter vacuums.

Taking down a 40-story building is unusual but not unique, said Ron Klemencic, chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat. Several of that size have been razed in Hong Kong in recent years, he said, and replaced with larger towers.

Perhaps the most monumental demolition in New York was that of Pennsylvania Station in the early 60's, but the pinnacle was reached in 1968 at the Singer Building, which was the world's tallest 60 years earlier. It was replaced by 1 Liberty Plaza, where the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation now has its office.

Because it was dismantled, the Singer Building did not so much disappear as simply pass from the scene. And that may not be a bad precedent. "The sense of this departure is that of a steamship slowly slipping away down the river," said Fredric M. Bell, executive director of the New York chapter of the American Institute of Architects. "Something eroding rather than being instantaneously removed is probably what's needed."

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/04/16/nyregion/deutch.1842.jpg
The Singer Building, at one time the world's tallest, was dismantled in 1968. It did not so much disappear as simply pass from the scene.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

finnman69
April 16th, 2004, 12:11 PM
What a waste of of money to tear it down. This building easily could have been renovated with a new curtain wall and new look. The core BTW was very efficient.

ZippyTheChimp
April 16th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Consider similar damage on the other side of the site:

1. Post Office. The building was not breached as badly as Deutsche Bank and was sealed up from further contamination earlier, but it is still undergoing decontamination.

2. Verizon. Costs expected to top $1.4 billion. Last year a corporate official stated in an interview that renovation began because of a "must do" attitude immediately after 09/11, but he wasn't sure if the same decision to restore the building would have been a year later, given the costs.

A restored Deutsche Bank would still have the stigma of contamination, which would make it less marketable to a major tenant.

Kris
April 16th, 2004, 11:58 PM
April 16, 2004

Font That Wept for Ophelia, Lost in the Tears of Sept. 11

DAVID W. DUNLAP

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The fountain at 130 Liberty Street was used in the 2000 movie "Hamlet," which starred Ethan Hawke and Julia Stiles.

"It's an odd question: where would Ophelia drown in New York City?"

Andrew Fierberg, a producer of "Hamlet," which starred Ethan Hawke and was set in modern Manhattan, recalled a location search six years ago that took his film crew to 130 Liberty Street. There, tucked under an elevated plaza but open to the sky, was a semicircular basin fed by a saucerlike fountain that almost seemed to weep.

"It was one of those magical pools of light," Mr. Fierberg said. Cruelly stark, ever changing under shadows cast through the broad aperture, it seemed to be the poignantly perfect setting for a troubled Ophelia, played by Julia Stiles, to meet her doom.

The crew also hoped to film the climactic scenes in the World Trade Center. Negotiations were well along with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, Mr. Fierberg said, but the cost of renting the space and paying for extra lights turned out to be too much.

The pool and the rest of the plaza were destroyed Sept. 11, 2001. Today, Deutsche Bank is commemorating the pool with a fountain at the east end of Wall Street.

But Mr. Fierberg cannot forget the original. "It wasn't on the list of sights to see in New York but it was awfully beautiful," he said. "Often, even people who know New York will say, 'Where did she drown?' And I say, 'Well - it doesn't exist anymore.' "

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

TomAuch
April 17th, 2004, 12:04 AM
It's both tragic and ironic that a survivor of 9/11 gets demolished like that. I mourn for the Deutsche Bank Building, but I also look forward to seeing how the 5th tower will fit in there, and who will design it.

krulltime
July 20th, 2004, 10:10 AM
GROUND ZERO BLDG. ASBESTOS HELL: POL

July 20, 2004

U.S. Rep. Jerrold Nadler yesterday said tests show 150,000 times the acceptable level of asbestos in the vacant Deutsche Bank building at Ground Zero — and said the feds should make sure its dismantling doesn't put local residents at risk.

The Manhattan Democrat referred to documents the bank cited in litigation with its insurers over responsibility for the cleanup, before the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. agreed to buy the 40-story tower for $90 million.

Nadler said the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, rather than the LMDC, should handle the project.


Copyright 2004 NYP Holdings, Inc.

NewYorkYankee
July 20th, 2004, 11:47 AM
Is this the tall building that is right next to ground zero and has that black "sheet" thing over it?

RandySavage
July 20th, 2004, 01:22 PM
Yes. That's it.

NewYorkYankee
July 20th, 2004, 01:28 PM
When we drove by there I was wondering about it.

TonyO
September 15th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Study details contaminants in damaged Deutsche Bank building

By The Associated Press

September 15, 2004, 7:37 AM EDT

The former Deutsche Bank building, a 40-story office tower severely damaged in the attack on the World Trade Center, contains asbestos and other contaminants that should be monitored during its planned demolition, according to a consultant's report.

The study, prepared for the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. by the Louis Berger Group, looked at building materials, mold and samples of settled dust from the building, which was hit with debris, coated with dust and left open to the elements after the 2001 attack.

The study was issued Tuesday as the LMDC, which bought the building from Deutsche Bank on Aug. 31, prepares to demolish the tower and dispose of its debris.

The East Orange, N.J.-based engineering and environmental consulting firm found flooring, wall materials, caulk, insulation and sealants composed of more than 1 percent asbestos, which is the level that classifies a material as "asbestos-containing" according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

The report also found trace amounts of asbestos in the dust that settled on desks, floors, carpets and other surfaces in the building after the attack. Though the dust was less than 1 percent asbestos, the report said smaller amounts can still create elevated levels of asbestos in the air when disturbed.

The dust also contained detectable levels of dioxins, lead, PAHs, crystalline silica, PCBs and heavy metals, the report said.

The report recommended that the LMDC maintain health and safety and air monitoring programs, create an emergency plan for the building and conduct additional testing. It said the agency should hire a contractor with an asbestos handling license, continue inspections throughout the razing process and develop documents detailing its plans for the demolition work.

The LMDC acquired the building after an extended battle between Deutsche Bank and its insurers over whether the tower was damaged beyond repair or could be cleaned and reoccupied. Gov. George Pataki has said the building will be demolished by next year.

thirduncle
September 15th, 2004, 10:49 PM
Elsewhere on this site, there was a thread called "What's the ugliest skyscraper in Manhattan?"

Notice how not even the most fanatical recreationists, not even Bennie Blimphole (or whatever his name was) not Justin Verizon (ditto), not even the new n improved double-steel-reinforced twin towers web site has foamed at the mouth, raised a defiant fist, and shouted...

AMERICA MUST REBUILD THE DEUTSCHE BANK BUILDING!

Which I believe was Mies van der Rohe black box number 367.

For a laff, go up to 1 liberty plaza, former site of the beautiful Singer Building. Look at those big black girders. Impressive, aren't they? Now, go up to one of the "beams" and knock on it. Hollow as cardboard. The REAL beam is inside, encased in concrete, because the building had to follow fire codes, unlike it's unfortunate former neighbors.

Yep, for several decades, the only form of applied decoration in skyscrapers were steel or cardboard beams. Why the heck was that? Because Internationalist dogma dictated that the only "subject" a structure should "express" is the architecture itself.

Actually, the Deutsche bank building in it's present form represents the supreme Internationalist ideal. The rusted exposed steel "expresses" the structure in it's purest form.

Mies and Gropius must have rising chubs from their graves.

Gulcrapek
September 15th, 2004, 11:00 PM
The DB Building is not Miesian. Look to Seagram for that.

thirduncle
September 16th, 2004, 12:47 AM
Gulcrapek wrote: "The DB Building is not Miesian. Look to Seagram for that."

That is the problem. Firms like SOM looked at nothing else but the Seagram's building for inspiration for decades.

Seagrams building is the mother of all glass black boxes. By itself, an interesting curiosity. The problem is, architects and corporations accepted as if it was the new classical form, Greek revival...romanesque...and....Mies revival! There are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of clones of this building throughout the world.

Mind you, it was not necessary for Mies to actually design the building, only that the architect belong to the "school." What I mean are the clones of Meis, and some have more genetic defects than others. I don't blame you for not being able to "spot the miesling," part of their insidiousness is how invisible they are to us.

Once upon a time, if a building was black, like the American Standard Building, it would be built with warm, luxurious or natural materials, and decorated with gold, no less. An entirely black building with dark windows would have seemed....pretty creepy, kinda morbid. Seems pretty obvious and silly in retrospect, dosen't it?

But a confluence of two things happened. Internationalists took control of Yale and Harvard. Their students earnestly accepted their dogma. They even REFUSED commissions if the client wanted anything but a flat roof.

The second thing that happened was that corporations appointed architectural boards to make decisions. Each board had on it...a "prominent" architect who belonged to "the school" who, in turn, recommended that one of his fellow "schoolers" get the commission.

The Architect would present his models. The Mies or Gropius clone. They came in a "variety" of colors: black, beige, gray or white. Sometimes brown.

If the client said "Don't you have anything else?" The most famous sales pitch in modern architecture followed.

"Well, you know, YOU JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD THEM ANY OTHER WAY! And, oh by the way, black is the easiest to clean! It will really help your bottom line. I have lots of charts and graphs about how much money you'll save."

To this day, no one ever walks into a realtors office and says "Hey, I want a home that looks just like the office I work in!". America hated these buildings. Then they just became invisable to them, like pigeon poop on the sidewalk.

TLOZ Link5
September 16th, 2004, 01:43 AM
The Deutsche Bank building was designed by Shreve Lamb & Harmon, not SOM, who designed 1 Liberty.

I know this is an obvious illogical pipedream, but it would be nice if they rebuilt the Singer Tower on the Deutsche Bank site. Never going to happen, so no need for the over-rational to step in and reprimand me :P

ube
September 16th, 2004, 02:32 AM
.

I know this is an obvious illogical pipedream, but it would be nice if they rebuilt the Singer Tower on the Deutsche Bank site. Never going to happen, so no need for the over-rational to step in and reprimand me :P

I second this idea ! That would be..... a dream. We need some eccentric billionaires with big egos' who love architecture to come to the city and build build build !

thirduncle
September 16th, 2004, 03:09 AM
Reprise the Singer Building. That's the spirit! Here's my proposal.

SINGER IN A BOTTLE!

It seems to me that the science of glass design has probably exceeded the imagination of architects. I'm not an engineer, or a "builder" as they say in arch-speak. But it seems to me that...

they could make a frame in the shape of the singer tower.

Clad the sides with either real red brick with windows or red colored glass.
Clad the middle of the building in green glass.
Top it off with a green or bronze colored glass dome.

Now, here's the kicker...EMBOSS the glass with beaux arts decorations.

Seems to me we could at least "express" the singer building with glass. I tend to think it's not a matter of technology, just a lack of will and imagination.

TonyO
September 25th, 2004, 11:23 AM
NY1

Residents Weigh In On How To Safely Tear Down Deutsche Bank Building

SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2004

A building heavily damaged on September 11th must come down, but the question is how. Tests show the Deustche Bank building is full of asbestos and other contaminants and people who live downtown are worried again about their safety. Dozens showed up Thursday at a meeting to hear about plans to tear the building down. NY1's Monica Brown has details.

It's been referred to as an eye sore and a painful reminder of the horror that took place September 11th.

Now the 40-story Deustche Bank building, which has been vacant ever since, is set to come down later this year and residents of the area want to know how that can be done safely.

"This is a health issue, so the stakeholders are everyone that lives in Lower Manhattan, not just the LMDC," said Marc Ameruso of Community Board One.

"We had testing done in our facility a couple of months ago and we plan on having it done again after the building is taken down," said Maria Bernaerts, who works downtown. "We want to make sure the air is safe for the employees."

"I think this is very important for everyone to get out and see how this is going to affect their neighborhood, especially the students in the area," said Jack Gibson, who works downtown.

A study conducted for the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which now owns the building, was released last week.

In it are the details of the levels of asbestos, dioxin, lead and other contaminates in the building.
At a public information session Thursday night, about 80 residents of Lower Manhattan listened to the LMDC's plan to raze the building.

A plan corporation officials say is still in the beginning stages.

"It's very important that we do all of the work in a way that nothing is transmitted to the community and the plan that we're going to create will do just that," said Amy Peterson of the LMDC. "It will ensure that the work to both clean and deconstruct the building is done in a safe manner so that any potential for releasing the contaminants that are in that building, the World Trade Center dust, to the surrounding community is eliminated."

Among other things, says Peterson, the LMDC plans to continue to monitor the air during demolition and says it will develop an emergency evacuation plan just in case.

While no specific time frame was given, LMDC officials say they want their plan finalized and submitted to federal regulators for approval as soon as possible, so the demolition can begin at some point over the next few months.

The corporation says it will continue to keep the community informed of its plans. The public comment period will run through October 13th.

– Monica Brown

gonzea
November 29th, 2004, 11:04 PM
It's already december almost.
They were supposed to be taking it down in novermber?
Has anyone heard anything!

TonyO
December 13th, 2004, 12:07 PM
NY1

Demolition Of Deutshce Bank Building Moves Forward

DECEMBER 13TH, 2004

More than three years after it was heavily damaged in the World Trade Center attack, plans for demolishing the Deutshce Bank Building are moving forward.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation on Monday is releasing the first part of the deconstruction plan for the 40-story building.

The plan, which is expected to focus on interior cleaning, will be reviewed by regulatory agencies, including the federal Environmental Protection Agency and the city’s Department of Buildings. The public will also be able to comment on the plan.

People who live and work near the tower, across the street from the World Trade Center site, have expressed concerns about asbestos and other contaminants in the building.

A fight between Deustche Bank and its insurers was resolved earlier this year. The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation acquired the building at the end of August.

Kris
December 14th, 2004, 10:04 AM
December 14, 2004

Plan Unveiled for Cleanup of Building at 9/11 Site

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

Before the shrouded Deutsche Bank tower opposite ground zero can be taken down, it must first be stripped to its structural bones; cleaned of materials that contain asbestos, World Trade Center dust and other potentially hazardous contaminants.

What that means is emptying 40 floors of ceiling tiles, gypsum wallboard, carpeting, sprayed-on fireproofing, fiberglass insulation, bathroom fixtures, built-in cabinetry. It includes taking down the netting that now covers large parts of the tower and erecting the crane that will be used in dismantling the steel framework.

It will also mean a journey back in time to Sept. 11, 2001, when the tower was pierced by a huge section of the collapsing 2 World Trade Center and filled with debris through 1,500 broken windows. Much of the building has remained largely untouched since then behind protective barriers.

Yesterday, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which now owns the tower, and the Gilbane Building Company, which has been hired to tear it down, released a draft plan for the first phase of deconstruction. It was distributed for comments to government regulators and Community Board 1 in Lower Manhattan and was also to be posted on the corporation's Web site, www.renewnyc.com.

"We look forward to hearing the public's concerns," said Kevin M. Rampe, the president of the development corporation.

The plan calls first for the removal of dust and the collection of contaminated materials by workers in protective gear, beginning at the top of the building and working down, with four-floor sections of the tower isolated at any time under "negative pressure." Exhaust systems within these areas will make the air pressure lower than it is outside, so that if the protective barriers develop a leak, contaminated air will not be expelled.

Dust and contaminated materials are to be gathered with plastic shovels and dustpans, then placed into waste bags for disposal. The bags are to be at least 6 mils thick (garbage bags for kitchen use are typically about 1 mil or less). Items that cannot be bagged are to be wrapped in 6-mil plastic sheets.

No more than 30 cubic yards of waste can be stored on the site, and the plan notes that "continual waste transport for disposal will likely be necessary." Asbestos-containing materials are to be disposed of in a landfill, five of which are identified in the plan as possibilities. Four are in Pennsylvania: Newburgh, Imperial, Morrisville and Tullytown. The other is in Bridgeport, W.Va.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, whose district includes much of Lower Manhattan, was attending a meeting of the state's electoral college delegation yesterday and had not yet reviewed the plan.

However, a spokeswoman, Eileen Larrabee, said on his behalf, "This is an urgent community concern, and the L.M.D.C. must establish a widespread system to provide vital emergency and evacuation information quickly and efficiently."

Amy Peterson, a senior vice president of the corporation, said that in events not severe enough for the Police and Fire Departments to take charge, neighbors would be notified through phone trees, e-mail messages, fliers and meetings.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Bob
December 14th, 2004, 11:19 PM
In an odd sort of way, it's almost a shame this building will come down. It might have been appropriate to leave it up, to remind us and future generations that 9/11 did indeed happen. Videos and pictures will always be around, but leaving that hulk right where it is, damaged, tells a story all by itself. Oh, well.

Gulcrapek
December 14th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Too big a hulk though. You probably don't want to think about it every time you're anywhere in lower Manhattan or Jersey City.

gonzea
December 19th, 2004, 12:34 AM
It's almost jan 2005 they were suposed to start in nov.
Does anyone know what's going on?

kliq6
December 21st, 2004, 01:15 PM
Id like to know what going on here as well

MrShakespeare
January 17th, 2005, 05:12 PM
http://downtownexpress.com/de_88/afterdemolitionbegins.html

4 Albany St.

After demolition begins, Deutsche presents 4 Albany St. plan

By Ronda Kaysen


The small, neo-classical building at 4 Albany St., damaged and contaminated in the World Trade Center disaster, will face a similar fate of demolition with its neighboring Deutsche Bank building, although without the same level of public scrutiny.


Representatives for Deutsche Bank, which owns the 4 Albany St. property, presented plans for a two-phase demolition process at a Community Board 1 World Trade Center committee meeting on Jan. 10. PAL Environmental Safety Corporation, the contractor hired by Deutsche Bank to demolish the 10-story structure, began work on Dec. 27, although this was the first time Deutsche Bank informed the public about its plans for the site in detail.


The company agreed to demolish the 130,000 sq. ft. structure when it entered into a $30 million sale agreement with developer Joseph Moinian last November. A spokesperson for the Moinian Group said the company was not prepared to discuss its plans for the site, although the New York Post speculates he has plans to build a condo-hotel Downtown.


Contaminated primarily with asbestos and lead, two environmental consultants, RJ Lee Group and Ambient Group, monitor the shrouded and enclosed building. RJ Lee runs the air monitoring systems for the building and sends weekly contaminant level reports to the Environmental Protection Agency. If contaminant levels exceed the Deutsche Bank established early warning levels or Environmental Protection Agency-established trigger levels, RJ Lee has a system in place to contact the agency. “We will be notifying the E.P.A. almost immediately. They will be getting downloads of all the readings,” said Frank Lawatsch, legal counsel for the bank. “They will have more than enough information.”


Unlike the former Deutsche Bank Building at 130 Liberty St., which was sold last August to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, a state and city agency, 4 Albany St. is a private building owned by a private company that is not using public funds for the demolition. Beholden to no city agency, Deutsche Bank is not required to open its doors for public scrutiny.


C.B. 1 members were chagrined to learn that Deutsche Bank has no plans for relaying possible contamination problems to the community. “You need to establish a way to communicate quickly to the community and to the public at large,” Madelyn Wils, C.B. 1 chairperson, told the Deutsche Bank representatives.


Concerned that the E.P.A., an agency that came under heavy fire after it misled the community about post-9/11 air quality, Wils insisted that Deutsche Bank establish a direct line of communication between the community and the bank. “We’ve worked with the E.P.A. during 9/11 and we know their shortcomings,” she said. “You have a responsibility to your community. You should figure out a way to communicate with us.”


David Newman, an industrial hygienist for the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health Administration and a panelist on the E.P.A.’s WTC Expert Technical Review Panel, was surprised to learn that Deutsche Bank had been sending contamination readings to the E.P.A. for two years, without any public notification. “I’m a little concerned to hear that this project [the demolition] has been going on for several weeks and that data has been available for several years and we have not been able to access the data,” he said.


Lawatsch saw the lack of public awareness of the data as a positive sign. “We’ve been submitting that information to the city; we just did it as a voluntary measure,” he said. “The data was unremarkable, maybe that’s why it has not gotten a lot of publicity.”


Tishman has already removed 1,000 cubic yards of material from the property since it began the abatement phase of the demolition on Dec. 27 “without incident,” according to Mark Hopper, a project manager for Tishman Interiors, the company overseeing the demolition.


The abatement phase, involves removing the entire interior of the building, leaving behind only a mortar and limestone shell. It is expected to take 12 weeks. Working six days a week, Monday through Friday from 7 a.m. to 10:30 p.m. and Saturdays from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., four to six container trucks will be loaded daily on Albany St. and hauled to landfills in New York and New Jersey.


Deutsche Bank expects to complete the second phase, the demolition phase, by Memorial Day. The exterior of the building will be peeled inside the empty shell and removed. Working five days a week, Monday through Friday from 7 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., eight to 10 trucks a day, loaded on Washington St., will remove 5,000 cubic yards of debris from the site, leaving only the building’s foundation intact.


Public dismay for the neo-classical building’s fate was not limited to contamination concerns. Some local residents expressed shock and disappointment that the historic and unassuming building in their midst, built in 1922 by architect Arthur C. Jackson, will be dismantled and hauled in pieces to landfills. “It’s a crime that you are tearing this beautiful building down,” said Esther Regelson, a 109 Washington St. resident. “I’m afraid of what is going to be put in its place.”

Kris
January 26th, 2005, 12:02 PM
January 26, 2005

Critics Question Safety of Plan to Raze Contaminated Site

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

At the Deutsche Bank building opposite ground zero, a new look at hard-to-reach spaces -shafts, ducts, conduits and upper elevations of the exterior - has confirmed the presence of high levels of asbestos, lead and other contaminants, a consultant to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation said Monday night.

The findings were disclosed at a public information session where neighbors, union representatives and environmental advocates expressed concerns about a plan to dismantle the 40-story bank building, which is at 130 Liberty Street and was badly damaged on Sept. 11, 2001.

Federal, state and city regulators have not yet responded to the plan, issued a month ago by the development corporation, which will need government permits before it can demolish the building. It is not clear when exactly that work will begin.

Critics said they worried that workers inside the building would not be sufficiently protected. "Workers are essentially, and unfortunately, the canaries for the community," said David M. Newman of the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health, a nonprofit coalition including labor unions.

Paul Stein of the New York State Public Employees Federation was one of several speakers who questioned the efficiency of the emergency warning system. "If you're not at your computer or phone, you may not get the information," he said, suggesting the need for sirens, Klaxons or loudspeakers around the demolition site.

Speakers also complained about the lack of coordination for demolition projects, including another Deutsche Bank building at 4 Albany Street. Jennifer Hensley of the Alliance for Downtown New York called on the governor and the mayor to name a leader for the new Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center.

"Without the timely appointment of an executive director," she said, "the command center is at risk of becoming obsolete before it is even operational."

The federal Environmental Protection Agency is concerned about the lack of information on air monitoring and contaminant levels in the building's interstices, said Mary Mears, chief of public outreach in the agency's regional office.

That is not to say the agency opposes the dismantling. "There are steps that can be taken to reduce the environmental impacts from taking this building down," Ms. Mears said.

She said the E.P.A. hoped to submit its comments with those of other agencies by the end of the month.

Development corporation officials said that the "deconstruction" - a term they use to emphasize the project's painstaking nature - would be done in a safe and environmentally responsible manner, and that the final version of the plan would reflect the concerns and comments of regulators and the public.

"People griping is better than people having no voice at all," said Kevin M. Rampe, president of the corporation. The Monday session drew about 60 people to St. John's University on Murray Street.

At the session, Edward Gerdts, a vice president at TRC, an environmental consultant to the corporation, discussed a detailed new study of the building, which the corporation acquired from Deutsche Bank in August for the purpose of razing it.

He compared contaminant levels with benchmarks set by the E.P.A., based either on the estimated levels of contaminants before the 9/11 attack or on health-based cleanup targets for residences. Though the benchmarks are not directly applicable to a commercial demolition project, Mr. Gerdts said, they do provide some context.

Average concentrations of asbestos, lead and silica on the exterior were found to exceed the benchmarks. Asbestos and lead exceeded the benchmarks in the heating, ventilation and air-conditioning ductwork; in elevator and pipe shafts; and in conduits through the floors.

Lead and silica exceeded the benchmarks in cavities behind the curtain wall. Silica exceeded the benchmarks in cavities between interior walls. Asbestos and silica exceeded the benchmarks in the fireproofing.

Generally, Mr. Gerdts said, contaminant levels were either consistent with or lower than those found in an earlier study of surface areas around the building.

A summary of the new study is available on the corporation's Web site, www.renewnyc.com .

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Kris
February 1st, 2005, 12:43 AM
February 1, 2005

E.P.A. Criticizes Plan for Razing Bank Near Ground Zero

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/t.gifhe federal Environmental Protection Agency warned yesterday that the draft demolition plan for the former Deutsche Bank building opposite ground zero does not adequately guard against a "significant potential for releases of contamination."

Pat Evangelista, the agency's World Trade Center coordinator, said the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation should revise and resubmit a "materially strengthened" plan to tear down the contaminated 40-story bank building at 130 Liberty Street. Studies have shown high levels of asbestos, lead, trade center dust and other contaminants in the building, which has not been occupied since Sept. 11, 2001. The corporation acquired it last year with the goal of tearing it down.

The demolition plan was prepared by the Gilbane Building Company, the contractor hired by the corporation to raze the structure. Since releasing the draft plan on Dec. 13, corporation officials have emphasized that the concerns of government regulators would be factored into the final version of the plan. They did so again yesterday.

"We will modify the plan in accordance with their comments," said Kevin M. Rampe, the corporation president. "That's why we're going through this process, so that we can incorporate the agencies' concerns and assure that once deconstruction takes place, it occurs within regulatory requirements."

Specifically, the federal agency said the current air monitoring plan for 130 Liberty Street is "not acceptable" because it is unclear which of its fragmented elements would be followed during demolition.

The agency called for the sampling of particles 2.5 microns in diameter - 1/30 the width of a human hair, which are believed to pose the greatest health risk ."It is essential that these emissions be controlled and do not further contribute to the already unhealthful levels of fine particles in Lower Manhattan," the agency said in its comments.

Air monitors should be placed around the residential areas of Battery Park City, nearby schools and commercial areas, the agency said.

The agency urged that work areas at 130 Liberty Street be enclosed and kept under negative air pressure when wallboard, sprayed-on fireproofing, bathroom fixtures, built-in shelving and small pieces of equipment are taken out.

Because some windows will already have been removed and dust will have been stirred up, this work "would increase the risk of releases of contaminants into the environment if containment is not utilized," the agency said.

Speaking about a proposed debris chute, the E.P.A. said, "We are concerned that the disposal shaft not be a source of dust release."

The agency criticized the draft plan because it "does not provide any information on the manner in which mold and bacterial contamination will be addressed." It said the outline of emergency procedures did not discuss plans with local hospitals.

Under law, the agency said, the development corporation will be regarded as a generator of hazardous wastes along with Gilbane and therefore will be "liable for mismanagement of that waste."

Representative Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat whose district includes most of Lower Manhattan and who has been critical of the demolition plan, said he was gratified and heartened by the agency's comments, which he said showed the plan to be "flimsy and undeveloped."

He called on the agency to take more responsibility for improving the plan. "It should be a mandate, not a request, to change it," he said.

Another critic of the plan, David M. Newman of the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health, a union-based nonprofit organization, said: "I was surprised and pleased to see the nature and extent of the E.P.A.'s comments. The issues the comments raise can only serve everybody's benefit, to make the process safer for the workers involved and the potentially affected people in the community."

The concerns raised yesterday by the E.P.A., as well as reservations expressed by the State Environmental Conservation Department and the State Labor Department seem certain to delay the demolition of 130 Liberty Street.

"We have not focused on a timetable," Mr. Rampe said. "We've focused on making sure we take the building down in a responsible fashion." The full text of the agencies' comments is at www.epa.gov/wtc/demolish_deconstruct (http://www.epa.gov/wtc/demolish_deconstruct).

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Kris
February 10th, 2005, 12:44 AM
February 10, 2005

$45 Million More Is Sought to Clean Trade Center Tower

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/n.gifow that they know the extent of hazardous contamination in the former Deutsche Bank building opposite ground zero, state redevelopment officials will seek an extra $45 million to clean the 40-story tower before they dismantle it.

In another measure of how complex this site-clearance project has become, officials estimate that it cannot start until midyear at the earliest. Only three months ago, Gov. George E. Pataki said demolition of the building, at 130 Liberty Street, would begin in December.

"Everyone wants this building to come down," Kevin M. Rampe, the president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, said yesterday. "It's a blight, a constant reminder of Sept. 11. But it's got to come down safely."

The financing request will be made this morning to the development corporation board. It has already approved a separate $45 million demolition contract with the Gilbane Building Company.

The corporation acquired 130 Liberty Street in August as part of an agreement mediated by former United States Senator George J. Mitchell to end what promised to be a long legal battle over the tower between the bank and its insurers.

After the building is dismantled, its site is to be occupied by a small park, a Greek Orthodox church and Tower 5 of the new World Trade Center complex.

Under the 2004 agreement, the corporation's demolition liability is capped at $45 million, so state officials expect to be reimbursed for the extra money they now need to spend.

But they also said they did not expect the bank or the insurers, Allianz Global Risks U.S. Insurance Company and AXA Corporate Solutions Insurance Company, simply to hand over the reimbursement without negotiation or, perhaps, arbitration before Mr. Mitchell.

Therefore, Mr. Rampe said, today's request for $45 million - about $40 million for cleanup and $5 million for administrative and legal costs - is a stopgap that will allow the project to proceed once the demolition plan has been approved by regulators.

"We're putting the money up," Mr. Rampe said. "The overwhelming majority of the money we fully anticipate recovering from Deutsche Bank and the insurers."

The 2004 agreement requires the insurers to pay increased costs from complying with legal requirements governing the cleaning and disposal of debris, dust and mold. The bank may be responsible for material like asbestos-containing tiles and caulking that was in place before the attack.

At a public session on Jan. 24, the corporation released a consultant's findings that confirmed the presence of high levels of asbestos, lead and silica in the tower's cavities, conduits, ducts, shafts and other hard-to-reach places. A study of more accessible areas, released by the corporation in September, also found high levels of contamination.

Last week, the federal Environmental Protection Agency called on the corporation to revise and resubmit its draft demolition plan, saying it needed to be "materially strengthened in several principal respects." Mr. Rampe said the plan would be modified accordingly.

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BrooklynRider
February 10th, 2005, 10:28 AM
When I consider how environmentally dangerous this building has become, it is hard not to become enraged that the EPA gave a green light to residents in the area so quickly. There's nothing in that building that the EPA wasn't telling people it was okay to breathe way back when.

NYguy
February 25th, 2005, 06:06 PM
DOWNTOWN EXPRESS

Deutsche demo delayed till summer

Ronda Kaysen

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation expects to begin deconstructing the former Deutsche Bank building this summer, Kevin Rampe, the corporation’s president, said at a City Council hearing last week.

Last November, Governor George E. Pataki said deconstruction on the Sept. 11-damaged building at 130 Liberty St. would begin in December, a start date that has endured a series of setbacks since the corporation purchased the building last August with the intention of taking it down.

Rampe expects the cleanup and deconstruction process — once it begins — to take longer than original L.M.D.C. predictions, which estimated in September that the 40-story building would be completely dismantled within 2005.

“I would imagine it would take longer because of the level of contaminants that we found through the tests,” he told Downtown Express after the hearing of the Select Committee on Lower Manhattan Redevelopment. Any specific timelines for either the initial cleanup phase or the entire deconstruction would be “wildly speculating,” he added.

Earlier this month, following on the heels of a Jan. 31 report from the Environmental Protection Agency calling for sweeping revisions to the corporation’s plans, L.M.D.C. announced it was seeking an additional $45 million for the cleanup.

Throughout the cleanup planning process, the corporation has maintained its commitment to a “transparent” review process.

Transparency has its drawbacks, Rampe told the panel at the Feb. 17 hearing. “The public is going to see that process and sometimes it’s going to be ugly,” he said. “What we want to be judged on is the ultimate plan.”

The lengthy planning process will result in a cleanup that will not re-contaminate the beleaguered neighborhood, he insisted.

“I can think of no issue that’s more important to the Lower Manhattan community than… ensuring that people who work here and live here can be confident that the government agencies are looking out for their interests in terms of the air quality and environmental quality,” he said. The 1.4 million sq. ft. building is contaminated with asbestos, mercury, lead, dioxin and other toxins.

L.M.D.C. told the panel that it would not seek exemptions from the stringent environmental regulations, a commitment that pleased committee chair Alan Gerson, whose district includes the W.T.C. site.

“I was impressed that Kevin Rampe came himself,” he told Downtown Express in a telephone interview. “I think that signifies an important level of cooperation at the highest levels of L.M.D.C. to work with the community on this.”

The E.P.A. will continue to play a lead role in ensuring the building is dismantled in an environmentally sound way, Pat Evangelista, W.T.C. coordinator for the E.P.A., told the panel, responding to longstanding questions about the agency’s role in the deconstruction.

“Normally we wouldn’t take such an active role in a building deconstruction,” he said, noting that the W.T.C. disaster created an environmentally unique demolition condition. A lead role, he said, involves coordinating with other regulatory agencies and reviewing and approving demolition and cleanup plans for the various buildings.

The agency did not, however, commit to leading the oversight of the demolition process itself nor did it or the L.M.D.C. indicate which agency would take the lead should any problem arise, a commitment Gerson hopes the agency will make.

“The E.P.A. needs to make the same commitment to oversight of the actual process on the ground as these buildings come down,” he said later in a telephone interview. “When you have so many different governmental agencies [working together] things tend to slip through the cracks unless you have a clear chain of command or letter of agreement setting forth exactly what agency is responsible for what.”

Despite E.P.A. reassurances, committee members raised doubts about the agency’s consistency. “We have an experience with you in which you lied to us. Information was given to us that was false,” said City Councilmember Margarita Lopez, referring to a 2003 report released by the agency’s independent inspector general judging the E.P.A. acted without sufficient evidence when it declared the air Downtown safe to breathe one week after the World Trade Center collapse. In 2002, the agency instituted a residential cleanup program that many Downtowners deemed poorly designed and run.

“How is it that you specifically are going to be in charge of this? How do we know that you are going to make sure that companies hired to do this job are not going to be lying to us?” she asked.

Gerson asked Evangelista if the agency had a new or revised strategy for its dealings with the neighborhood. When the coordinator replied, “Absolutely not,” Gerson said, “I was hoping for a different answer.”

The agency intends “take an active role” in the upcoming demolition of the Borough of Manhattan Community College’s Fiterman Hall, also badly damaged on 9/11, said Evangelista.

The agency also reviewed Deutsche Bank’s demolition plans for 4 Albany St., which is currently being cleaned in preparation for a demolition, although it did not approve the plans.

PHLguy
February 26th, 2005, 11:37 AM
Any change this building won't come down at all?

TonyO
February 26th, 2005, 12:06 PM
No, the momentum is too far forward on this one.

Dunleavy11
April 20th, 2005, 11:48 AM
There is something stinky going on. Why would the LMDC hire a company (Controlled Demolition Inc.) to demolish this building when they have very little experience working in NYC and even less experience in dismantling a building of this size? CDI's website makes no mention of any dismantling experience whatsoever. I called their office and the girl that answered the phone said the largest building they have ever taken down without explosives was 5 stories.
That coupled with the fact they were thrown off of the WTC site by Giuliani's office makes me think there is something very fishy going on.
Isn't their any qualified New York City demolition firms who have the experience to safely demolish this building?

NoyokA
June 7th, 2005, 12:32 PM
Daily News:

End looms for damaged 9/11 tower

The end is drawing near for a dark, shrouded ghost of a building overlooking Ground Zero.
The Deutsche Bank tower, ravaged on 9/11 and long draped in protective netting, will be examined tomorrow by bidders on a contract to erect scaffolding prior to demolition.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corp., which acquired the 42-story, asbestos-laden building on Liberty St. last summer, plans to award the contract on July 1 and later choose another firm for the demolition.

The work could begin this summer and take 18 months.

"For the building to come down will certainly be a plus," said Richard Kennedy, chairman of Community Board No. 1. "But it's important that the job be done in a sound, reasonable, environmental manner."

Under a 2004 agreement with Deutsche Bank, the LMDC's demolition costs will be capped at $45 million.

Meanwhile, a program to monitor air quality in lower Manhattan will be announced today by the new Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, formed by Gov. Pataki and Mayor Bloomberg to coordinate rebuilding and demolition.

NYCResident
June 10th, 2005, 08:46 PM
From DowntownExpress.com

Deutsche Bank cleanup work to begin in August

By Ronda Kaysen

One of the final relics of the World Trade Center disaster may soon meet its fate.

A cleanup and deconstruction plan was released this week for the shrouded building at 130 Liberty St., which stands damaged and contaminated at the southern edge of the W.T.C. site, a looming reminder of what happened there nearly four years ago. The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation owns the building and will coordinate the painstaking cleanup process, which will cost the corporation as much as $45 million.

“We feel very confident that the regulators will approve the plan and we can start work this summer,” said Amy Peterson, a senior vice president for the corporation, at a June 6 presentation of the revised cleanup plan for Community Board 1. Peterson expects to receive approval within four to six weeks.

But the Environmental Protection Agency, the lead regulator for the project, has yet to receive some components of the plan – including the asbestos abatement and removal plan, which the L.M.D.C. promised to deliver in the coming days – and has not given the corporation a green light. “We are still reviewing the parts that we do have and we haven’t signed off on them yet,” said Mary Mears, an agency spokesperson. “They did make some of the changes that we asked for, but we have to do a careful review with the regulators.” E.P.A. rejected the original draft of the cleanup plan last January, calling for a more thorough and extensive cleanup process.

Mears did not indicate how long this round of reviews might take. “We want to expedite it, but we want to make sure we do a thorough review.”

According to L.M.D.C.’s revised plan, the building will first be enclosed in scaffolding covered with a layer of netting. As the scaffolding climbs the building’s 40 stories, the old netting will be removed. The corporation opened a bidding process for scaffolding contractors this week and will award a contract on July 1.

Washington St. will be closed while the scaffolding is erected, but the L.M.D.C. anticipates minimal impact on Greenwich and Albany Sts. The Liberty St. pedestrian walkway and bridge will remain open.

The first phase — the abatement phase — of the two-phase process will begin in August. Workers will use part of the building’s skin to create a negative pressure container within the building. From 7 a.m. until 4 p.m., five days a week, a team of 40 workers working several floors at a time, will clean and dispose of all porous materials such as ceiling tiles, sheetrock and carpeting. “We needed to treat everything in the building as if it is contaminated with asbestos,” said Peterson. Non-porous materials, such as steel sheeting, may be preserved, when possible.

Workers, trained before the work begins, will be covered from head to toe and equipped with full-face respirators to protect their lungs from the toxins. As they leave the contaminated area, they will enter a decontamination zone to shower and change.

A hoist, located on Albany St., will carry all cleaned workers and decontaminated materials in and out of the building. “It’s all controlled descent and ascent,” Lois Mendes, the L.M.D.C.’s newly appointed construction director told Downtown Express after the meeting. Contaminated material will be cleaned, decontaminated, double-bagged and sealed in a six-sided container before it leaves the building.

The building’s interior will leave Lower Manhattan in container trucks, 10 to 15 of them a day, loaded on Washington St., and traveling along Cedar St. to the West Side Highway.

By November, the demolition phase will begin. (The L.M.D.C. will open the bidding process for the demolition next week, and expects to award a contract by August.) A crane, located on the north side of the building and enclosed with fencing, will carry the building’s exterior down, loading it into 20 trucks a day that will follow the same path out of the area that the phase one trucks followed. At the height of the second phase, as many as 100 workers, following the same work schedule as in phase one, will dismantle the tower floor by floor. “It will be a slow, slow process,” said Mendes.

Air monitors will be located at street level, atop the building and within. If a monitor hits a “trigger level,” work will stop until the issue is resolved. Air monitoring data will be available on the L.M.D.C.’s Web site, www.renewnyc.com/130Liberty.

With the assistance of several city agencies including the police and fire departments, the L.M.D.C. created a draft of a community notification plan. In case of an emergency, onsite personnel (and anyone else who witnesses an emergency) are advised to call 911. According to the community plan, the L.M.D.C. will post flyers throughout the community, e-mail incident alerts and e-updates to a 130 Liberty St. list serve, hold periodic community briefings and provide a recorded toll-free information hotline, (646) 942-0694.

By early 2007, the imposing tower will have vanished from Liberty St. A small park, a Greek Orthodox church and Tower 5 of the new World Trade Center complex will eventually take its place.

Ronda@DowntownExpress.com

NewYorkYankee
June 10th, 2005, 10:49 PM
Where is this Greek Orthodox church coming into the picture from? Where is it now? Where was it?

pianoman11686
June 10th, 2005, 11:21 PM
The St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church was just south of the WTC site, on Cedar Street, when the attacks occurred and was completely destroyed. It will be rebuilt on Liberty Street, I believe.

BrooklynRider
June 11th, 2005, 12:34 AM
If that thing is being demolished I am staying far away from WTC site. I been using asthma inhaler on and off since 9/11 from breathing all that crap. My partner lost his sense of smell and has had breathing problems too.

pianoman11686
June 11th, 2005, 12:39 AM
They apparently will have a perimeter set up around the building monitoring the level of toxic substances in the air. If anything is released during the demolition of the building, they'll postpone the whole operation. Apparently it's all the carpets, tiles, and furniture inside the building that present the biggest environmental risks when being removed.

BrooklynRider
June 11th, 2005, 12:41 AM
Would that be the "they" that gave the "all clear" three days after 9/11?

Gulcrapek
June 11th, 2005, 12:55 AM
That sucks there... have you consulted a nasal surgeon BR? Or is it neural?

BrooklynRider
June 11th, 2005, 01:16 AM
We had signed onto the WTC Health Registry, but they are just a statistical op. It's interesting because we can pinpoint when the problems started, but there is no medical diagnosis for "9/11". My problems aren't as bad as his. But mine gets exaggerated by air-conditioning - so here comes my lousy season. He has to wear "breathe rights" at night and has definite damage. I think it has just become part of the fabric of life. So many died and we have this. That kind of "relativity". I run 5 miles daily. When I can't do that, I'll look for more serious solutions. The inhaler solves the problem when it arises.

NewYorkYankee
June 11th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Should I be worried being so close to the site? I'll be about 4 blocks away. Im thinking no, but I just wanted to ask.

NoyokA
June 11th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Should I be worried being so close to the site? I'll be about 4 blocks away. Im thinking no, but I just wanted to ask.

Nothing to worry about.

mkeit
June 14th, 2005, 11:58 AM
I would be worried about it. If you read the RFP for the scaffold contract and many other documents on the Lower Manhattan site, the extent of contamination is very scary.

Basement levels are saturated with Diesel fuel byproducts. The entire building is full of various contaminants including asbestos and many heavy metals. The existing netting over the building is considered contaminated and must be removed and disposed of correctly. The building has to be washed down BEFORE demolition-hoping that the water doesn't go into the subway vents.

The original contracts for the dmolition did not specify that the building had to be surrounded by scaffolding or that explosives were not to be used. The new version clarifies this. It was always my feeling that they would try to use explosives-the original demo subcontractor was CDI-a company that specializes in blowing up buildings-always featured on those Discovery Channel shows. In fact, their web site never mentions any other type of demolition.

ZippyTheChimp
June 14th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Should I be worried being so close to the site? I'll be about 4 blocks away. Im thinking no, but I just wanted to ask.
It all depends on how the building is dismantled. If not done correctly, there is potential for significant contamination, the effects of which may not be evident for 15 or 20 years.

The environment is not asbestos-free. It is everywhere, and exposure is cumulative.

If you are concerned, see a physician and arrange a baseline pulmonary function test. I had one several years ago as a work requirement, and since I was caught in the WTC collapse, had another one in early 2002. It gave me peace of mind to know that there was no statistical difference.

krulltime
June 20th, 2005, 10:55 AM
Where Time Is Stopped at Sept. 11



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The Deutsche Bank building at
130 Liberty Street.


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The Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street. Beneath its netting is a huge gash from the collapse of the
trade center and a witch's brew of pollutants from the disaster that are delaying its demolition. Workers today
wear hazmat suits.


By DAVID W. DUNLAP
Published: June 20, 2005

The 34th floor is still hushed, a privileged cocoon of mahogany paneling, brass wall sconces, a meeting table longer than a limousine, carpeting the color of money and a men's room paneled in marble and granite.

In the bright-white data center five floors above, air-conditioners big enough to cool a battery of computers still command views of Upper New York Bay.

Smoothie prices ($2.85 for 12 ounces, $3.35 for 16 ounces) are still posted in the fourth-floor cafeteria, a maze of Vulcan ranges, EmberGlo grills, Groen soup vats large enough to bathe in and stainless-steel serving islands offering "Rice & Noodle Bowls" and "Chop Chop Salad."

But the escalators to the lobby are frozen. At 130 Liberty Street - originally 1 Bankers Trust Plaza and more recently the Deutsche Bank building - the clock stopped on Sept. 11, 2001.

It never started again.

The building's life effectively ended when the World Trade Center collapsed across Liberty Street, carving an enormous gash into the facade and filling the 41-story structure with a tornado of hazardous contaminants.

Now, demolition awaits. Almost every furnishing, fixture and file has been removed. Much of the tower is shrouded in black netting. But the building is not empty. If you stand long enough in the board room or data center or cafeteria, you can almost hear the voices.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which acquired 130 Liberty Street expressly to raze it, permitted this reporter and a photographer - in respirators and double layers of polyethylene body suits - to visit sealed-off areas on eight floors of the building.

During this four-hour tour, no attempt was made at any assessment of potential environmental hazards. Rather, the point was to convey some sense of the building's final days.

"If there was a trademark of 130 Liberty Street, it was the energy," said John Foos, who worked there 26 years, as global director of security for Bankers Trust and then regional head of corporate security for Deutsche Bank. "That I remember and associate with it: the pace. How quickly people moved."

Even stripped down, 130 Liberty Street carries poignant traces of the 4,200 people who filled it every day. Mailbox cubbyholes on the 39th floor are still set aside for P. David, J. Gary, R. Livermore, M. Mongello, F. Rivera and J. Robinson. There are still personal mementos, like a calling card, lightly stained and slightly crumpled, on the carpet of the executive suite: "Michael Philipp. Member of the Board of Managing Directors."

Immediately above the executive domain, the global research center once shared space with a trading floor. Some analysts wore noise-reducing headphones to block the traders' bellowing, recalled Gregory B. van Inwegen, who worked in the research center.

The best views were from the data center on the 38th and 39th floors. Because the south side of 130 Liberty Street is unshrouded, it is still possible to appreciate the commanding harbor panorama.

"The techies had the last laugh," said David Ridley, a project manager at the development corporation.

Above the data center, the mechanical rooms still appear to be the musculature of a functioning building. The giveaway is the silence.

No air courses over the blades of the 20-foot-high intake fan on the 40th floor or through the three-foot-diameter exhaust ducts rising out of a six-story-high pipe gallery. Hundreds of backup batteries sit uselessly nearby. So does a yellow 675-kilowatt Caterpillar standby generator on the 41st floor. Dials long ago dropped to zero.

Another battery of silenced equipment fills the cafeteria kitchen and serving area on the fourth floor, which still look as if they could accommodate a crowd of impatient diners. "Lingering over lunch in the cafeteria - I don't think that happened often," Mr. Foos recalled. "It was: Grab a salad, grab a sandwich and run back to your desk."

But Dr. van Inwegen also remembered diners tarrying on the elevated plaza, which was connected to the World Trade Center by a pedestrian bridge. "You'd see boyfriends and girlfriends getting friendly in a corner," he said.

The plaza was destroyed in the attack. Throughout the building, even now, signs of that calamitous morning abound. Though the executive floor is remarkably intact, there is a conference room facing north whose window frames are filled with plywood barriers. Some 1,700 windows were blown out on Sept. 11, 2001.

A glass office partition lies in pebbly piles on the 10th floor. Nearby, parallel claw marks around a doorknob suggest that a prying tool was used by a search team.

Mr. Foos was on the 10th floor when the first plane hit.

He rushed downstairs. "I see this large piece of an aircraft in the middle of Liberty Street, a chunk of the fuselage," Mr. Foos said. "It's polished aluminum with pinstripe painting and I remember saying, 'My God, this is an American Airlines plane.' "

A bank executive who had once been a firefighter looked at the blaze near the top of the north tower and said, "There's no way this can be put out," Mr. Foos recalled. "Through an abundance of caution, we evacuated."

Dr. van Inwegen left with only his briefcase. After reaching the plaza level, he paused at a large window to look up at the south tower. "The next plane went right over our building, right over our heads," he said. "I just saw this huge, 'Towering Inferno' explosion at the top of the building. I was lucky that the glass I almost had my nose pressed against didn't shatter. It would have been like a guillotine."

A section of the collapsing south tower crashed into 130 Liberty Street, opening a gash 15 stories high. A 20,000-gallon underground diesel fuel tank was pierced and set ablaze. A bank guard, Francisco Bourdier, is believed to have died in the lower basement. Another Deutsche Bank employee, Sebastian Gorki, perished in the trade center. All others were evacuated.

Mr. Foos was allowed to return to 130 Liberty Street shortly after the attack. His visit took him to the executive dining room on the third floor.

"People who were there having breakfast got up and left as if they were going to step away for a couple of minutes and come back," he said. "There were remnants, beginning to deteriorate rapidly, that were in the rooms literally as they were left 10 days before. One person was having eggs Benedict."

Deutsche Bank declared the structure a total loss. Two of its insurers, the Allianz Global Risks U.S. Insurance Company and the AXA Corporate Solutions Insurance Company, maintained that it could be cleaned and salvaged. They battled in court.

Under a 2004 settlement, the development corporation acquired the property. Demolition has since been delayed as the scope of needed environmental safeguards and contaminant cleanup has grown. Consultants to the corporation have confirmed that the tower has excessive levels of asbestos, dioxin, lead, silica, quartz, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, chromium and manganese.

The corporation is now seeking bids for exterior scaffolding, cleanup and demolition. It expects work to begin this summer. But along with what officials regard as a blight on the Lower Manhattan skyline, the view that Dr. van Inwegen enjoyed from his 35th-floor cubicle - sailboats and liners, tugs and ferries - will also disappear.

"It was great working by the water and thinking of the history of Manhattan: trade, commerce, shipping," he said. "You still got that feel looking out the windows at New York Harbor. That's all gone. A memory."

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/06/20/nyregion/deut.184.1.650.jpg
The fourth-floor kitchen at 130 Liberty Street has soup vats large enough to bathe in.


Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

BigMac
August 9th, 2005, 12:08 PM
NY1
August 9, 2005

Demolition Of Deutsche Bank Building At Ground Zero Finally Moving Forward

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/images/live/85/169198.jpg

Construction crews are taking the first steps toward demolishing the Deutsche Bank building, which was badly damaged in the World Trade Center attacks, almost four years ago.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation has gotten permission from the Environmental Protection Agency and state agencies to begin construction of sidewalks and fences in preparation for the demolition.

Real work can not be done on the building until the EPA deems the site clean of harmful debris, mold, and construction materials.

Copyright © 2005 NY1 News

mkeit
August 9th, 2005, 02:05 PM
The LMDC was big on listing open contracts-for the scaffolding and demolition, but they have not announced any awards. If they are starting work, one of the contracts has been awarded.

NoyokA
August 9th, 2005, 02:15 PM
I would assume this is the first time in history that class A space was abandoned in an entire office building.

lofter1
August 10th, 2005, 02:44 AM
I would assume this is the first time in history that class A space was abandoned in an entire office building.
And the first time in history that a bldg of that sort was destroyed by the debris of a falling 1000' foot tall tower that resulted in contamination from asbestos + untold number of chemical residues + mold.

Alonzo-ny
August 11th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Everything about that day is hard to believe. It was hard to believe it was happening at the time and its hard to believe it acyually happened when we look back now

BigMac
August 12th, 2005, 09:59 AM
New York Times
August 12, 2005

Bovis Is Awarded Deal to Demolish a Tainted Tower at Ground Zero

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/08/12/nyregion/12deutsche.650.jpg
Protective netting on the former Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street, as seen from within the severely contaminated structure.

Bovis Lend Lease, a construction company that arrived at ground zero on Sept. 12, 2001, and stayed more than 10 months as part of the excavation and debris removal project, was awarded a $75 million contract yesterday to clean and dismantle the contaminated former Deutsche Bank tower at 130 Liberty Street.

The two-year contract was approved by the board of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which acquired the 41-story building opposite ground zero to raze it as part of the redevelopment of the World Trade Center site. Last month, the corporation awarded a $13.1 million scaffolding contract to a joint venture of the Regional Scaffolding and Hoisting Company and the Safeway Environmental Corporation.

The deconstruction project should take 16 months after completion of a final plan, said Irene Chang, the corporation's general counsel.

The estimated time and cost of demolishing 130 Liberty Street have steadily increased in recent months as the extent of contamination has become clear. Consultants to the corporation have confirmed that the tower has excessive levels of asbestos, dioxin, lead, silica, quartz, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, chromium and manganese. An earlier $45 million deconstruction contract was canceled in May.

"It's more difficult to tear down a building than to build a building," said Roland W. Betts, a member of the corporation board.

Last month, the corporation reached a settlement with two insurers of the Deutsche Bank building, the Allianz Global Risks U.S. Insurance Company and the AXA Corporate Solutions Insurance Company, under which the corporation would pay the first $50 million of the deconstruction costs and the insurers would pay 75 percent of the additional costs.

Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

BrooklynRider
August 12th, 2005, 10:52 AM
They ought to just hand the contract Al-Quaida. They'll have it down in a day.

TLOZ Link5
August 12th, 2005, 03:08 PM
They ought to just hand the contract Al-Quaida. They'll have it down in a day.

Boo!

NoyokA
August 12th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Boo!

I agree. That comment's pushing on offensive.

michelle1
August 12th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Should I be worried being so close to the site? I'll be about 4 blocks away. Im thinking no, but I just wanted to ask.

I wouldn't worry too much, environmentalists always exaggerate their cases. EPA always using factor 10 for safety sake.

mkeit
August 15th, 2005, 01:01 PM
From the LMDC site-

Workers will be covered from head to toe and equipped with full-face respirators to protect their lungs from the toxins. As they leave the contaminated area, they will enter a decontamination zone to shower and change.

ZippyTheChimp
August 15th, 2005, 01:11 PM
EPA always using factor 10 for safety sake.Regarding the WTC debris, EPA used a factor of (minus) 10 for "don't worry, be happy" sake.

I made up my number. :rolleyes:

Jake
August 15th, 2005, 08:56 PM
umm, can someone explain something to me? THE DAMN BUILDING HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO AIR FOR 4 YEARS, I'm pretty sure whatever crap has been in it has been blown all over NY by now, unless htat is you think the "protective netting" thing is somehting more than a well, mesh net, it doesn't even stop mosquitos probably. I say it only needs a run with a vacuum cleaner.

lofter1
August 16th, 2005, 02:20 AM
umm, can someone explain something to me? THE DAMN BUILDING HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO AIR FOR 4 YEARS, I'm pretty sure whatever crap has been in it has been blown all over NY by now, unless htat is you think the "protective netting" thing is somehting more than a well, mesh net, it doesn't even stop mosquitos probably. I say it only needs a run with a vacuum cleaner.
Jake, any chance you work for the bogus asbestos removal company that my landlord used to rip out pipe insulation in the middle of the night? If so I've know a housing court judge that would love to talk to you.

Jake
August 16th, 2005, 08:38 AM
lol, yes.... Asbesto-rigth Inc

What I mean is that they should've been protecting the air the whole time because most of the crap in the building is already in the air.

ZippyTheChimp
August 16th, 2005, 09:48 AM
Your attitude seems to be: People have already been exposed; no sense in worrying about them anymore.

Most of the building has been sealed off. Nothing can be done about the area where it was ripped open, but tests have shown that the building is still severely contaminated.

You have no knowledge of the building, except what you see on the outside. How do you know whether or not the interior of that big hole has been isolated from the rest of the building? If you have any information, share it with us, instead of unsupported claims like

most of the crap in the building is already in the air

TLOZ Link5
August 16th, 2005, 02:29 PM
A thought occurs, though. How are these terribly hazardous contaminants not going to be released into the air as the building is dismantled?

ZippyTheChimp
August 16th, 2005, 02:42 PM
The shell of the building will not be dismantled until all of the hazardous material is removed. Any non-porous material (ceiling tiles) cannot be cleaned, and will be removed from the building as hazardous material.

Negative pressure is set up within the building envelope, and there will be a transition area from contaminated to clean, where workers would shower before leaving.

TLOZ Link5
August 16th, 2005, 04:32 PM
Sounds absolutely painstaking.

mkeit
August 17th, 2005, 11:54 AM
While a lot of contaminants HAVE been released into the air, there is much more in the building. By sealing the outside, it will hopefully prevent more damage to the air.

kliq6
September 8th, 2005, 04:47 PM
Demolition of Deutsche Bank tower finally starts
by Catherine Tymkiw

The demolition of the shrouded Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street is finally getting underway today, the last clean-up of a structure damaged in the attacks four years ago.

A review by the Environmental Protection Agency put a halt to the original plans for demolition, which is considered key to redeveloping downtown. The Lower Manhattan Development Corp. had most recently planned to start the project eight months ago.


Demolition of the heavily damaged tower would remove a constant reminder of the terrorist attacks.

“By taking down the shrouded former Deutsche Bank building, we will replace the crippling symbol with new open spaces for Lower Manhattan’s visitors, workers and residents,” said Gov. George Pataki in a statement.

Deutsche Bank and its insurers were tied up in a legal battle for more than two year before the governor asked former Sen. George Mitchell to mediate.

In February 2004, the LMDC agreed to buy the bank’s land for $90 million to pay for the demolition. Concerns about toxic dust resulting from the demolition prompted the EPA to review the site and the LMDC to come up with a safe plan for razing the building.

“We’ve worked closely with the community, the EPA and other regulatory agencies to ensure that this process is carried out with the utmost care,” LMDC President Stefan Pryor said in a statement.

The first phase of the demolition will include putting up scaffolding and hoists, erecting perimeter fencing and cleaning and removing all interior surfaces and non-structural elements. Phase Two will be the actual floor-by-floor deconstruction and is scheduled to start early next year.

Edward
September 11th, 2005, 10:31 PM
The last picture of 130 Liberty Street. 11 September 2005.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/images/130liberty.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/)



Looking North along Washington Street. 11 September 2005.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/images/130liberty_7wtc.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/)

hella good
September 12th, 2005, 02:39 PM
goodbye my dear friend...

TLOZ Link5
September 12th, 2005, 04:34 PM
Likely the tallest postwar skyscraper to be voluntarily demolished.

How strange indeed that that 16-acre site and its environs were the home of so many "tallests" and "tallests to be demolished."

Jake
September 12th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Question, I don't believe this building is included in the 16-acre area thing, right? I thought that figure was only for the WTC. All the reports always say 16 acre site, as if all the damaged buildings around didn't count. I don't mean to say that anyone here is disrespectful, just that the media had it wrong from the start and everyone got used to that number. Also you can pretty much say that this building was DESTROYED in the 9/11 attacks because it was never occupied again, right? To me damaged means repairable, damaged beyond repair means destroyed. I hate how people never know these things, no disrespect to FDNY because they themselves know this but PEOPLE don't usually know about NYPD, EMS etc casualties. Just like nobody knows about the Deutsche Bank building.

Also another Q, if this building is off the WTC site then is it under the same development/insurance freedom that 7 WTC was under? Could this mean speedy building on the site? We could see a building there before the FT if that is the case.

lofter1
September 27th, 2005, 11:58 AM
Wow ... This is a disturbing reminder ...

Bone Fragments Found Atop Deutsche Bank Building At Ground Zero

September 27, 2005

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=53814


Four years after September 11th, workers preparing the Deutsche Bank building for demolition have discovered several bone fragments on the roof.

The fragments have been sent to the Medical Examiner’s office.

It's not clear if the fragments are even human. But if they are, they could help confirm the identify of more victims of the 9/11 attacks.

The remains of only a little more than half of the more than 2,700 victims had been identified.

kliq6
September 27th, 2005, 12:13 PM
Good luck to the construction crew on that job, it may be a mess whats in that building

BigMac
September 27th, 2005, 01:12 PM
New York Times
September 27, 2005

A Fresh Reminder of Sept. 11

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/09/27/nyregion/deutsche2.jpg
The roof of the former Deutsche Bank building in a photograph taken in March. Ropes anchored the netting that wraps the building, which was damaged beyond repair by the collapsing south tower.

Not down near bedrock in the depths of ground zero. Not across the waters of Upper New York Bay at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. But 536 feet in the sky over Lower Manhattan - that is where construction workers have found what may be the newest evidence of 9/11's appalling human toll, four years after the fact.

On Thursday and again yesterday, even as a debate raged far below over the appropriateness of building the International Freedom Center on the World Trade Center memorial site, workers preparing to dismantle the former Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street came across several bone fragments in the rooftop gravel.

The fragments, fewer than 10 in number and none much larger than two inches, were immediately turned over by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which owns 130 Liberty Street, to the city's office of the chief medical examiner.

"We don't know if those bones are human," said Ellen Borakove, director of public affairs for the medical examiner. Samples of the fragments will probably be examined under a microscope. She said she did not know how soon the results would be available.

Three coin-size bone fragments were found on the roof in August 2002.

If the newly discovered fragments are human, it is possible that DNA could be extracted and permit identification of the victims. Through August, the medical examiner had recovered 19,964 human remains from the attack, permitting the identification of 1,594 of the 2,749 victims.

Two World Trade Center, the south tower, stood almost directly opposite 130 Liberty Street. Its collapse caused winds of tornado force and an impact that shook the ground like an earthquake. Pieces of the tower's columns crashed into the facade of the bank building, carving a 15-story gash. More than 1,700 windows were shattered.

As the development corporation prepares to dismantle the 41-story building, the principal concern has been with the abatement and removal of hazardous contaminants, primarily asbestos. But the new discovery - if it turns out to be of human remains - is a reminder just how sensitive the work will be.

"Protocols are in place to ensure that any remains or artifacts are properly handled and turned over to the appropriate authorities," said John P. Gallagher, the communications director for the development corporation. "It is important that any potential human remains be treated with the utmost dignity, respect and care."

Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

LeCom
October 1st, 2005, 11:59 PM
September 28, 2005

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8720/pict0030deutschebanktothewest2.jpg

ZippyTheChimp
October 26th, 2005, 10:38 PM
Air quality monitors at the Deutsche Bank site.

BrooklynRider
October 27th, 2005, 01:41 AM
For some reason, I was expecting three canary cages.

ZippyTheChimp
October 27th, 2005, 08:46 AM
That's funny, because when I was walking down Albany from West, the first things I noticed were the boxes (three of them) on the right and thinking, "What are bird houses doing up there."

BigMac
October 28th, 2005, 10:10 AM
New York Times
October 28, 2005

Remains Found on Skyscraper Near Ground Zero Are Human

By DAVID W. DUNLAP

It does not end.

In a quiet coda to the desperate recovery efforts at ground zero four years ago, the chief medical examiner's office said yesterday that bone fragments found atop a nearby skyscraper - itself destined to disappear - were human and might be identifiable.

Workers on the roof of the skyscraper, the former Deutsche Bank Building at 130 Liberty Street, came across the fragments last month as they were cleaning gravel in preparation for the building's demolition. The 10 small pieces of bone, ranging from half an inch to two inches, some perhaps from a rib cage, were turned over to the medical examiner's office.

"Our rigorous protocols automatically assume findings of this nature to be human remains and therefore require that they be treated with the utmost care, dignity and respect," said Stefan Pryor, president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which owns 130 Liberty Street.

Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner, Dr. Charles S. Hirsch, said yesterday that preliminary information about the discoveries, made on Sept. 22, 26 and 29, "is that the bones are human."

Two World Trade Center, the south tower, loomed more than 800 feet over the 41-story Deutsche Bank Building across Liberty Street. Tenants in the tower's upper floors included the Aon Corporation, Fiduciary Trust Company International, Sandler O'Neill & Partners, Washington Group International and Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, which lost many workers.

On Sept. 11, 2001, 130 Liberty Street was inundated by wreckage - from enormous, facade-piercing pieces of steel to a tornado-force storm of fine contaminated particles - as the south tower collapsed. Though it remained standing, 130 Liberty Street never reopened.

It was acquired last year by the development corporation so it could be demolished, with its site folded into the greater World Trade Center project as the location for an office building known as Tower 5. This is the block on which Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg recently suggested that housing might be built.

By the end of next week, scaffolding for the demolition work will begin climbing up all four sides of the building, a development corporation spokesman said yesterday. The rooftop work, by the Safeway Environmental Corporation, has been completed.

Ms. Borakove said the city's forensic anthropologist, Bradley Adams, seemed confident that DNA samples could be extracted from the newfound fragments. "They may be able to get some profiles," she said.

There are still 1,152 victims whose remains have never been identified.

It does not end.

Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

ZippyTheChimp
October 28th, 2005, 10:16 AM
More hallowed ground?

lofter1
October 28th, 2005, 10:38 AM
There has been a renewed discussion that the Deutsche Bank site might be used for residential buildings.

Imagine the questionnaire / clearing process involved for prospective tenants ...

vc10
October 28th, 2005, 04:05 PM
I guess we shouldn't tell the families that there was pulverized bone and bodies in the dust/smoke plume that blanketed the downwind portions of downtown and Brooklyn...


More hallowed ground?

LeCom
October 29th, 2005, 08:39 PM
From the LMDC site-

Workers will be covered from head to toe and equipped with full-face respirators to protect their lungs from the toxins. As they leave the contaminated area, they will enter a decontamination zone to shower and change.
A 40-story toxic contamination zone in the middle of Downtown Manhattan... Just like in some sci-fi/action/disaster movie. Who knew that this would happen.

LeCom
November 6th, 2005, 01:40 AM
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/11/413758.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/11/413756.jpg

antinimby
November 6th, 2005, 02:13 AM
One less black box in Manhattan.

lofter1
November 6th, 2005, 02:09 PM
A 40-story toxic contamination zone in the middle of Downtown Manhattan... Just like in some sci-fi/action/disaster movie. Who knew that this would happen.
Stanley Kubrick? Arthur C. Clarke?

http://www.crystalinks.com/2001z.html

'2001: A Space Odyssey' - 'Thus Spake Zarathustra'

2001 A.D. The Year of Zarathustra

In 2001 Zarathustra spoke ... He told me that something would happen that would change the course of reality forever. It would be the dawn of a new awakening for human consciousness. Z's prophecy was correct - 911 (http://www.crystalinks.com/911.html)- Attack on the Twin Towers - World Trade Center

...... Planet Earth 1968 ..... Stanley Kubrick creates a film called '2001 A Space Odyssey'.

'2001: A Space Odyssey' is a landmark, science fiction, classic, epic film containing more spectacular imagery than verbal dialogue. It impacts on the viewer and taps into subconscious memories of creation. Though it shows human evolving from ape - the missing link of that evolution is left open. The plot follows a spaceship that crosses the universe, searching for the source of life itself.

A link is made to a creational intelligence perhaps linked to human evolution. Again this is linked to a computer that comes into conscious awareness and confusion as to its prime objective.

http://www.crystalinks.com/monolithz.jpg

2001 Monolith At Ground Zero

The monoliths are creational programs that are preset. Once activated they proceed with a new creation. It would appear that - to begin this creation - DNA would be needed - hence the salvation of Dave. The movie is about creation by design - computers and their part in them - computers that can misfunction and cause destruction - or was that all part of the plan?

The film created its effects essentially out of visuals and music. It is meditative and seeks to expand our consciousness.

'2001: A Space Odyssey' is not about a goal but about the quest of humanity.

Most of us feel we have a mission or quest. Now it is time to move on to the next step, to know that we live not on a planet but among the stars, and that we are not flesh but intelligence - conscious awareness.

LeCom
November 6th, 2005, 04:27 PM
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/11/413878.jpg

NYatKNIGHT
November 7th, 2005, 12:24 PM
^Funereal.

lofter1
November 8th, 2005, 12:10 AM
Where are Christo and Jeanne-Claude when you need them?

ZippyTheChimp
November 13th, 2005, 03:24 PM
The south face of the building.
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/485/130llib221xw.jpg

An elevator tower is being constructed. The "boxes" on each floor are lined with plywood, sealed with plastic and tape. They are the entry points on each floor from clean to contaminated.

hella good
November 13th, 2005, 03:53 PM
just think. some of these beams havent seen the light of day for thirty years.
and when it was being built, no one had any idea it would last for such a short time - they thought they were building something to last for ages.

its sad really..........

vc10
November 13th, 2005, 04:01 PM
Not really. That was a pretty cr*ppy building. Its elimination is, to my mind, a silver lining of the WTC attacks. As is, to some degree, WTC7. That wasn't a very good looking building either---its replacement looks far better.

So some good came out of the catastrophe.


just think. some of these beams havent seen the light of day for thirty years.
and when it was being built, no one had any idea it would last for such a short time - they thought they were building something to last for ages.

its sad really..........

vc10
November 28th, 2005, 06:15 PM
This is cool (don't think it's been posted here before).

http://renewnyc.org/video/05148_Site_File_mpg1.mpg

It's a deconstruction animation for the Deutsche Bank building. (Warning, it takes a long time to download and to run).

Jake
November 28th, 2005, 06:47 PM
wow, superb animation, I'm really glad you posted this because I haven't seen it yet. I'm so starved for animations.....


This isn't promising, it looks like it will take many many years. I've seen many buildings go up with excitement, haven't seen one come down yet (well besides its neighbors to the north)

vc10
November 29th, 2005, 06:56 PM
Let's hope this deconstruction is somewhat less exciting than that.


I've seen many buildings go up with excitement, haven't seen one come down yet (well besides its neighbors to the north)

NYatKNIGHT
November 30th, 2005, 11:49 AM
Falling Deutsche glass hits Albany St.
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_133/bank.gif

Downtown Express photo by Elisabeth Robert



Glass fell from the damaged Deutsche Building onto the street last week, the second such incident in the last 14 months. Officials with the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation say new safeguards have been implemented to prevent a third incident.


Downtown Express story (http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_133/fallingdeutscheglass.html)

TLOZ Link5
November 30th, 2005, 12:14 PM
One less black box in Manhattan.

To be replaced by a sparkly blue box, no less. :p

kliq6
November 30th, 2005, 02:51 PM
What is to built here is so far down the road that its pointless to go with this topic dont you think? Nothing is being built, its being taken down

ZippyTheChimp
November 30th, 2005, 03:15 PM
When this thread was started, no one was sure what was going to happen to 130 Liberty.

We can use this thread to discuss any possible ideas that might come up during deconstruction.

If another tower is ever put up on the site, it will be slimmer and rotated to line up with Cedar St.

vc10
November 30th, 2005, 06:42 PM
A lot can happen in a few years, but at this point it it seems more likely that whatever rises on this site will be residential, not commercial.

I went into 130 Liberty a couple times pre-9/11. It was a very uninspiring place. Getting this knocked down is a silver lining to an otherwise very dark cloud.


When this thread was started, no one was sure what was going to happen to 130 Liberty.

We can use this thread to discuss any possible ideas that might come up during deconstruction.

If another tower is ever put up on the site, it will be slimmer and rotated to line up with Cedar St.

Alonzo-ny
December 1st, 2005, 11:25 AM
If another tower is ever put up on the site, it will be slimmer and rotated to line up with Cedar St.

And you presume to know this, why?

ZippyTheChimp
December 1st, 2005, 11:44 AM
Because I have seen the site plan.

Alonzo-ny
December 2nd, 2005, 09:33 AM
there is a new design already? or are you talking wtc master plan which cant be counted for anything

ZippyTheChimp
December 2nd, 2005, 09:47 AM
If you look at a site plan, the Cedar St sight line is restored from Trinity Pl to West St. The Deutsche Bank building is pushed out, blocking Cedar St. It is also turned counter-clockwise to align with Greenwich and Washington Sts. This created a useless triangular space on the south side of the building (Albany St).

Opening up Cedar St was discussed years ago, when the park in front of 130 Liberty and 90 West was proposed.

millertime83
December 7th, 2005, 12:57 AM
I heard it was being used for buses/parking and a park.

LeCom
December 17th, 2005, 03:36 PM
Finally they are doing something to this thing

View to the north
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422704.jpg

I don't know why they took down that particular strip, my guess is for the exterior elevator or a chute
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422705.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422708.jpg

Looking up the southeast corner
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422795.jpg

North side, the one that faces Ground Zero
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422803.jpg

South side, the one with the windows stripped in the middle
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422804.jpg

Southeast corner
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422778.jpg

Contamination detectors high above the ground...
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422709.jpg

...and across the street
https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422796.jpg

https://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2005/12/422801.jpg

hella good
December 17th, 2005, 05:15 PM
tragic...

lofter1
December 17th, 2005, 06:29 PM
An adaptation of "Hamlet" (2000) directed by Michael Almereyda and starring Ethan Hawke, Bill Murray, Sam Shepard, Diane Venora and Kyle MacClachlan was shot in NYC and used the Deutsche Bank building, particularly the plaza / fountain that faced onto Liberty St., for many of the location shots to portray the corporate "Denmark" (where things were rotten). The film also stars Liev Schrieber, Julia Stiles and Jeffrey Wright.

Trailer (with a glimpse): 'Hamlet' Trailer (http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/051200hamlet-film-review.t.ram)

link: http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/051200hamlet-film-review.html


http://video.movies.go.com/redesign/assets/boxart/large/717951004994DDfsL01.jpg

PHLguy
December 22nd, 2005, 02:05 PM
Aren't they putting a 53 storey residential tower on this site?

ZippyTheChimp
December 22nd, 2005, 02:25 PM
No, across the street.

BrooklynRider
December 27th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Could they be removing that glass to install an interior demo lift?

mkeit
December 27th, 2005, 02:41 PM
No. The safest way is to remove the glass before the main demo. Otherwise, the vibrations would pop them out .

NYguy
January 9th, 2006, 10:58 AM
JANUARY 8, 2006


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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/54622637/large.jpg

Jake
January 9th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Sad that the only progress we're making at GZ is taking stuff down.

TLOZ Link5
January 9th, 2006, 11:42 PM
Sad that the only progress we're making at GZ is taking stuff down.

PATH service was restored over two years ago and the new terminal is under construction now.

Jake
January 9th, 2006, 11:49 PM
You're right but the key phrase there is OVER TWO YEARS AGO, the temp PATH station is hardly any achievement at all as it's largely simply a byproduct of the clean up. It's true that we have a new 'scraper almost finished and all that but for ex. the new PATH station that you point out is hardly underway, they're building a wall that takes a week to build. They've been building it for 3 months now. The only progress I see is the Dey Str tunnel although having Cortland closed negates that as a positive.

I don't know, this all fits under one thread "Failure of organization at GZ" until something is done my complaints will occasionally resurface.

lofter1
January 10th, 2006, 01:22 AM
Jake: I think you should spend less time downtown -- it seems only to bum you out.

I walked around downtown today and was fairly amazed at all the work that is going on.

Things haven't been this busy down that way since this drawing was made almost 100 years ago:

BrooklynRider
January 10th, 2006, 10:39 AM
The most promising thing right now is seeing the new Liberty Plaza nearing completion. Anyone see it? What I'm trying to figure out is the symbolism of fifty-three 20-foot honey locust trees and one 35-foot London plane tree. Anyone know why this combo has been selected? Was that plane tree a survivor from the WTC on 9/11? (off topic, but I'm just wonderin...)

ZippyTheChimp
January 10th, 2006, 11:52 AM
I don't think it has any symbolism.

The number of locust trees just worked out that way. The single, taller, London plane, along with the sculpture on the opposite corner, is supposed to mark the diagonal commuter path.

Most of the trees are on site.This may actually be completed on time.

lofter1
January 10th, 2006, 12:56 PM
As of yesterday many of the stone benches were complete and seemingly the next big part of this project is the installation of the surface paving material. Viewing the park from the NW corner the trees / benches have a great diagonal placement -- a vast improvement over the previous layout.

TallGuy
January 10th, 2006, 01:49 PM
I'm optimistic. How long did it take to design, get permist, and build the original WTC? Longer than the reconstruction is taking. And then, that is just for towers 1 + 2. The other remaining buildings took longer. Given the emotions and other obstacles at play, having FT and 2 Greenwhich topped out by 2009, assuming that is so, is not really that bad.

wns808
January 16th, 2006, 12:29 AM
I'm optimistic. How long did it take to design, get permist, and build the original WTC? Longer than the reconstruction is taking. And then, that is just for towers 1 + 2. The other remaining buildings took longer. Given the emotions and other obstacles at play, having FT and 2 Greenwhich topped out by 2009, assuming that is so, is not really that bad.

There was one documentary I watched about the WTC on how it took 12 years to build (planning and all), and how Sept. 11 came as well as a highlight of the '93 bombing

in the meantime, any recent activity at 130 Liberty (Deutsche Bank) ?

lofter1
January 16th, 2006, 12:44 AM
any recent activity at 130 Liberty (Deutsche Bank) ?
The long, slow de-construction is underway-- the initial phase, mainly within the building.

Chaos17
January 31st, 2006, 02:46 PM
are there any new pics of the Deutsche Bank building? im wandering what it looks like now.:cool:

NYatKNIGHT
January 31st, 2006, 03:17 PM
It still looks pretty much the same as the photos on the previous page.

mkeit
February 1st, 2006, 02:23 PM
The scaffolding is almost complete. A vertical area on the Liberty St side has been left clear for the crane. That is supposed to be installed very soon.

Jake
February 1st, 2006, 09:30 PM
Does anyone know what is the extent of the damage to the infrastructure of the plaza in front of the building? I have never seen any pics of the fountain that was there and I'm wondering if they're gonna preserve that somehow once Liberty St. opens.

lofter1
February 2nd, 2006, 01:01 AM
I believe that is all gone.

londonlawyer
February 2nd, 2006, 01:56 AM
Does anyone know what is the extent of the damage to the infrastructure of the plaza in front of the building? I have never seen any pics of the fountain that was there and I'm wondering if they're gonna preserve that somehow once Liberty St. opens.

The fountain/waterfall was rather lame. It's no loss.

I wish that the new park on B'Way and Liberty had a new fountain though. Also, it would be nice if someone built an old style fountain with cast iron horses/ neptune figures, etc.

Jake
February 2nd, 2006, 11:57 AM
^That's what I was thinking, I realize that the above ground structure (there wasn't much of it :)) was probably squashed completely but I was hoping that maybe if the pipes and all that underground stuff were intact they could build a new fountain there with relative ease.

I'd like a modern las vegas type fountain to offset the below ground structures of the memorial, but you raise a valid point about the lack of structures that have mythology/classics in NYC. Seems like that style died off after the great buildings of the last century.

BPC
February 2nd, 2006, 02:05 PM
There will be a large fountain in the park in front of 7 WTC.

lofter1
February 2nd, 2006, 02:23 PM
I'd like a modern las vegas type fountain to offset the below ground structures of the memorial ...

You don't mean something like this, do you?

Dancing Fountain at the Bellagio
http://www.lvlg.com/lasvegas/attracts/fount2.jpg

http://www.lvlg.com/lasvegas/attracts/fount2.jpg

jiw40
February 2nd, 2006, 06:50 PM
I've never seen water running in it,but the fountain/sculpture in the side yard of Saint John the Divine is one of a kind.The fountain and plaza area in front of the Deutsche Bank was totally destroyed.(All the iron that ripped open the building piled up there)!After about 2-3 weeks that whole area was excavated to at least 1 full elevation below ground level.Should make a nice big area to improve on the original design.Orrrr provide enough room for a bus ramp to the below grade parking garage.JUST KIDDING!

Jake
February 2nd, 2006, 08:16 PM
LV has many fountains but yes they do follow the general theme of fountains that change water movement like the one at the Bellagio. I don't want something on that scale but I don't want a regular one either.

heh, what's wrong with Bellagio's fountain?:p Have you seen it at night, it's quite nice.

EugeneNYC
March 8th, 2006, 04:17 PM
The installation of the exterior scaffolding has been completed. The north and south hoists have also been installed.

Bovis Lend Lease, the general contractor, has hired John Galt Corporation as the abatement and deconstruction subcontractor. Required notifications for the abatement have been submitted to the New York State Department of Labor, New York City Department of Environmental Protection, and the United States Environmental Protection Agency. Abatement and removal of materials from the building is expected to begin late next week. In the meantime, preparatory work for the abatement, which includes bringing necessary equipment and materials to the site, constructing decontamination systems for the workers, equipment and materials, and installing negative air pressure containments, will begin tomorrow, March 9th.

truthbeknown
March 9th, 2006, 01:13 AM
Well, Well, Well. The John Gault Corp. . represented in front of the LMDC by Don Adler. The same Don Adler who has been representing Safeway at all of the LMDC Meetings. Get out your Hard Hats and hide your kids. Is it Safeway the same people who dropped the building on the nanny and the baby in the stroler? Is it Safeway, No they are going out of business and becoming The John Galt Corp? YES IT IS. A wolf in sheeps clothing. The may have changed the name but the individuals and the people behind them are the same.
Now ask yourself Who Is John Galt Company? What buildings in NYC Have they demolished? What experience in asbestos removal and environmental remediation do they have? Not much that is for sure. Are they on The NYSDOL Website as a licensed Contractor? NO. Are they on the NYCDEP website as a licensed contractor having filed job's in NYC? NO.? So who are they? SAFEWAY II?
Ask yourself why would LMDC approve this contractor? Why would the community Board stand by and accept this danger to the community? I wonder. More to come. BTW Google The John Galt Company>>>

BrooklynRider
March 9th, 2006, 11:28 AM
Interesting stuff, but as that was your first post we might just assume you work for a competitor or have some axe to grind. Informative post, yes. Objective, don't think so.

tmg
March 9th, 2006, 06:54 PM
Amusing name for a construction company.

Galt is a central character in "Atlas Shrugged":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_in_Atlas_Shrugged#John_Galt

Here was also a famous novelist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt

truthbeknown
March 10th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Ax to grind, No. Purely objective, No.
Always alert to the truth. The workings of the redevelopment at Ground Zero does make one wonder. Why did so many companies not take this job? What is John Galt's experience in demolition and environmental remediation.? What major buildings have they demolished in NYC? Around the ountry? The answer will be interesting. In addition what kind of non public process is occuring. Wasn't this to be a public process? Isn't the LMDC responsible for our health and safety.? And what about the elements surrounding the project that would do anything to get the work. I wonder why BOVIS would want to hire this company without a track record.

BTW The John Galt Company is already trying to sub out the work for the remediation of some of the upper floors. Is it because they are not qualified or can not handle a job of this size?
Interesting.

BPC
March 10th, 2006, 01:08 AM
If it's so interesting, take it to the newspapers, and quit pestering us with this pointless bit of gossip.

BTW, whose idea was it to string zig-zagging Christmas lights across the building? I hate it.

lofter1
March 10th, 2006, 01:34 AM
"truthbeknown": Do us a favor and quit being so cryptic. You act as if you know the answers to your questions. If you do then share them. If you don't then start doing some searches and come up with the info on your own.

(My gut tells me that you are too lazy to do the research and want someone else to do the work for you ;) . )

lofter1
March 10th, 2006, 01:40 AM
Those "x-mas lights" are the lights for the stairways that have gone up on the exterior scaffolding.

http://testofwill.blogspot.com/2006/03/deutsche-bank-christmas-tree.html

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/230/1249/1024/IMG_7170.jpg

EugeneNYC
March 28th, 2006, 04:20 PM
NEW YORK (AP) -- Construction workers cleaning toxic waste from a vacant skyscraper near the World Trade Center site have found more bone fragments and human remains, officials said Tuesday.

The city medical examiner's office plans to extract DNA from the latest remains to be recovered from the former Deutsche Bank building and try to match it against a database of the 2,749 people killed at the trade center on Sept. 11, 2001, said Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the city medical examiner's office.

Fire Department crews had inspected the building in the months following the attacks, but construction workers clearing gravel off the rooftop found 10 bone fragments there last fall.

The new remains were found in recent weeks by crews doing a more thorough cleaning before construction workers begin dismantling the building in June, said John Gallagher, spokesman for the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.

Some victims' family members said forensic experts should search the 41-story building again.

"I'm not trying to malign the construction workers, but this is not what they're trained to do," said Diane Horning, whose son was killed at the trade center and has filed suit to remove trade center debris from a landfill where victims' remains were found.

More than 40 percent of the victims at the trade center have not been identified. The medical examiner's office is storing more than 9,000 unidentified remains and hope that more sophisticated DNA technology can allow for identifications in the future.

Borakove said that two human remains were found Jan. 27 on the 38th floor of the building. She could not say what the remains were or how big they were. Last Friday, workers found two bone fragments on the roof, she said.

"They are definitely human," Borakove said.

The Deutsche Bank building has been vacant since the terrorist attacks, when part of the south tower tore a gash in the building. Deconstruction of the building, which is contaminated with asbestos, lead and trade center dust, began in September.

mkeit
April 5th, 2006, 02:28 PM
New 9/11 dustup
LMDC blasted in bank bldg. demolition plan switch

http://www.nydailynews.com/images/editors/header_dnexclusive.gif
By GREG B. SMITH
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Federal environmental officials and local residents are blasting the state agency in charge of Ground Zero for suddenly altering plans for the demolition of the highly contaminated Deutsche Bank building, the Daily News has learned.
The angry notice from the Environmental Protection Agency comes just days before contractors are supposed to begin cleansing the structure of a toxic brew of asbestos, lead, cadmium, dioxin and other poisons deposited after the 9/11 collapse of the twin towers.
The feds are upset that a subcontractor assigned to the tricky demolition job made "significant changes" to the debris removal plan that could affect "public safety, health and the environment."
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-Manhattan), local residents and other elected officials also are upset at the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., which oversees Ground Zero, for what they termed a "dangerously inadequate" demolition plan.
Said Kimberly Flynn of the 9/11 Environmental Action group: "Now the toxic tower is coming down - imminently - but we do not yet have an EPA-approved demolition plan in place."
The floor-by-floor demolition is scheduled to begin next month. Its $46 million cost has risen to $52 million due to increased insurance requirements, state officials said.
Before a single brick can be removed, however, the building's interior must be cleansed, a process expected to begin during the next two weeks.
In several letters over the past month, the EPA has been seeking explanations for "significant differences" from the original approved demolition plan.
In a March 20 letter, the EPA noted five unapproved additions by John Galt Co., the subcontractor responsible for the toxic cleanup and the demolition: a concrete crushing machine on the upper floors, construction of a chute through which crushed concrete would plummet to the ground, a five-story buffer zone between the toxic cleanup and the actual demolition, use of a floating "roof" as the work progresses and the use of debris as fill material at the site.
Pat Evangelista, the EPA official in charge of the Ground Zero cleanup, warned the LMDC that the added techniques "will of course have an impact on potential releases of contaminants." He said additional information and analysis was "essential to our ongoing responsibility to protect public health and the environment."
EPA spokeswoman Mary Meeks said yesterday that the agency had received an LMDC response and was reviewing it.
The LMDC contended the chute was in the original plan and would obviously require concrete crushing equipment. The use of debris as fill is "environmentally appropriate," and the "floating roof" was previously discussed, the LMDC added.
The demolition has been plagued with problems. The first firm hired was booted when its demolition plans weren't approved by the EPA and other officials.
Federal regulators cited one contractor after a worker fell off a scaffold last December and are now investigating a second accident two weeks ago when a worker fell 400 feet into a sub-basement. Also within the last month, workers found bits of human bone inside the building believed to be from victims of the 9/11 attacks.

Originally published on April 5, 2006

Scruffy88
April 5th, 2006, 11:17 PM
i never heard anything in the news about the guy falling 400 feet. im assuming he didn't make it

ZippyTheChimp
April 5th, 2006, 11:50 PM
It was 40 ft. The worker survived, but is in serious condition.

LeCom
April 6th, 2006, 01:18 AM
They better clean their shit safely. I work in the area every week, I don't want to breathe contaminated debris.

mkeit
April 6th, 2006, 02:35 PM
AP report on CNN.com

NEW YORK (AP) -- Construction workers near the World Trade Center site have discovered 74 more bone fragments on a damaged skyscraper being prepared for demolition, officials said.

Most of the bone fragments discovered over the weekend were found mixed with gravel that had been raked to the sides of the roof of the Deutsche Bank building, which suffered extensive damage when the twin towers collapsed

Cityslob
April 8th, 2006, 01:35 AM
Citing changes, E.P.A. withholds O.K. on Deutsche demo

By Ronda Kaysen

The Environmental Protection Agency has asked to see more detailed plans about the demolition of the former Deutsche Bank building, potentially delaying the demolition of the 9/11-contaminated tower once again.

...

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_152/citingchangesepa.html

lofter1
April 8th, 2006, 12:29 PM
Deutsche Bank Building To Be Inspected For More Human Remains

NY 1
April 08, 2006

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=58469

The city has decided to fully inspect the Deutsche Bank building following the discovery of a large number of human remains at the site.

A certified archaeologist and an official from the FDNY will monitor the final inspection of the building’s roof and other nearby areas. The inspection is expected to take about two weeks.

Just last weekend, 74 bone fragments were found on the roof of the building – the largest such discovery since major recovery efforts ended at the World Trade Center site following 9/11.

Deutsche Bank is in the early stages of being torn down, and has already been thoroughly cleaned.

The remains are being tested to see if they can be matched to any September 11th victims.

The Medical Examiner's office says it still has 9,000 fragments that have not been identified.

Copyright © 2006 NY1 News

Derek2k3
April 8th, 2006, 03:12 PM
It's ridiculous this hasn't been done already.

lofter1
April 13th, 2006, 01:39 PM
Yet Another Delay For Demolition Of Deutsche Bank Building

NY 1
April 13, 2006

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=58600

The demolition of the contaminated Deutsche Bank building in Lower Manhattan is being pushed back again.

The Daily News says the Environmental Protection Agency is blocking the project until an acceptable safety plan is put in place.

The agency is worried toxic dust could be released into the air, and warns the project will not begin until it's satisfied with the safety plan.
Demolition was supposed to start this month, but it's off at least until June.

Copyright © 2006 NY1 News.

BPC
April 13th, 2006, 04:55 PM
Perhaps the newspapers could lay off some reporters and save on costs by just running the following headline every Monday morning:

"PLAN FOR __________ AT GROUND ZERO HAS BEEN POSTPONED INDEFINITELY"

Every Sunday night, an unpaid college intern at the paper can just fill in the blank with the latest delay and send the newspaper to print.

toxbloc
April 16th, 2006, 02:00 PM
Mob link eyed in bank demolition
http://www.nydailynews.com/images/editors/header_specialreport.gif

BY GREG B. SMITH
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
http://www.nydailynews.com/ips_rich_content/588-bank.JPGThe toxic-dust laden Deutsche Bank building at Ground Zero yesterday. The top two execs overseeing the demolition of the Deutsche Bank building at Ground Zero recently ran a firm under investigation for reputed mob links and allegedly dangerous work conditions, the Daily News has learned.
Until February, the two businessmen running the complex razing of 130 Liberty St. were operating Safeway Environmental Corp. - a Bronx firm under scrutiny by city investigators.
One of Safeway's owners, Stephen Chasin, confirmed in an interview with The News that his partner is Harold Greenberg, a two-time felon identified by the FBI as a Gambino associate.
Safeway also has been cited by the city and feds for alleged safety violations during the demolition of an upper West Side supermarket that collapsed in July, injuring several passersby, including an infant in a stroller.
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration </B>hit Safeway with $15,000 in fines after finding five safety violations termed "serious," records show. Safeway is contesting the fines.
But two of its former honchos are now working for John Galt Co., the firm hired by the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. to take down the Deutsche Bank building at Ground Zero. With no experience demolishing skyscrapers, Galt recruited Safeway President Mitch Alvo and Vice President Don Adler to oversee the massive project.
The LMDC has banned Chasin and Greenberg from being involved in the demolition - but the agency has not objected to Alvo and Adler being on site. The agency also is allowing the Galt firm to lease much of its equipment from Safeway, according to Chasin.
The 40-story bank tower is filled with toxic dust that was thrown into the air by the collapsing World Trade Center. Its neighbors long have been concerned that the dust will be released into the air again when workers begin to demolish the tower, where hundreds of bone fragments from 9/11 victims were found just last week.
The involvement of the controversial firm in the razing of the building has further upset area residents and comes as federal environmental officials told the LMDC that the demolition can't go on without its approval.
The Environmental Protection Agency has found what it calls unacceptable levels of asbestos, mercury and several other chemicals in the tower. The EPA was upset when they learned significant changes had been quietly made to the demolition plan.
But Chasin scoffed at claims that 130 Liberty is filled with toxic dust.
"It's all hysteria. It's not true," he said. "There's no asbestos in that building."
Two workers were injured recently in falls at the lower Manhattan site, one from Safeway and one from Galt. OSHA officials cited Safeway for the first accident and is still investigating the second fall.
"It's extremely troubling in light of recent events down there," said David Newman of the New York Committee for Occupational Safety & Health, a nonprofit group monitoring the Ground Zero cleanup. "It's unacceptable. The demolition of a highly contaminated building in a highly populated area requires extra scrutiny, not a lowering of standards."
Newman said Galt had been a bridge construction firm with only 20 employees. To complete the bank demolition, it hired 80 more workers, including many ex-Safeway employees.
Meanwhile, the demolition subcontract has increased to $52 million, from $46 million, due to the need for extra insurance, officials said.
The city Department of Investigation is looking into Safeway's links to Greenberg, a reputed gangster who was convicted of bribery and wire fraud in a bid-rigging scheme, according to sources.
The investigation centers on $7.1 million in contracts Safeway recently completed for the Sanitation Department. Investigators want to know if Greenberg secretly benefitted from that work, sources said.
A DOI spokeswoman declined comment except to say the probe is ongoing. Safeway also has been barred from bidding on school construction jobs.
The LMDC has required Galt to sign "special conditions," limiting interaction with Safeway. Galt had to agree to make Adler and Alvo available to city investigators and get LMDC approval if Galt leases equipment from Safeway or its affiliates.
Chasin told The News that Greenberg, who sat nearby and answered some questions, is his business partner. Chasin also said he plans to lease to Galt special equipment he bought for the Deutsche Bank job. "No, they don't want me or [Greenberg] showing up on the job site and running it," Chasin said. "But one can lease or rent equipment, or for that matter, sell equipment. Where's the problem with that?"

Originally published on April 16, 2006

ablarc
April 16th, 2006, 02:17 PM
Wolves minding the sheep.

lofter1
April 16th, 2006, 03:04 PM
And just how did this firm get this contract?

Who hired them?

This seems outrageous.

ablarc
April 16th, 2006, 03:13 PM
Ten years from now, New Yorkers will die of mysterious ailments.

Eugenious
April 16th, 2006, 03:34 PM
The only way to avoid dealing with these shady characters is to award most of the work at ground zero and it's surroundings to companies like Skanska and other international firms. Giving any contracts to a bronx based mob shop with 20 employees takes special kind of stupidity.

And did anyone notice there's a firm involved called John Galt inc.? Did anyone read Atlas Shrugged? Who is John Galt?

lofter1
April 18th, 2006, 03:31 PM
MANHATTAN: MORE REMAINS FOUND AT BANK

DAVID W. DUNLAP
NY TIMES
April, 18, 2006

LINK (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/18/nyregion/18mbrfs.html) (scroll down)

Workers preparing the former Deutsche Bank building in Lower Manhattan for demolition have found additional bone fragments on the roof, bringing the total to more than 500 this month, city officials said yesterday. The building was heavily damaged and contaminated on Sept. 11, 2001, by the collapse of 2 World Trade Center, the south tower. Last week alone, 456 fragments — some as small as one-sixteenth of an inch — were separated from the rooftop ballast, said Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the city medical examiner.

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hella good
April 19th, 2006, 07:02 AM
its turning into a thirty storey cemetry...

ablarc
April 19th, 2006, 08:41 AM
MORE REMAINS FOUND AT BANK...some as small as one-sixteenth of an inch
Literally pulverized.

toxbloc
April 19th, 2006, 01:01 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/410130p-347029c.html

NY Daily News
Outcry builds over bank-cleanup firm
April 19, 2006

Outraged residents of lower Manhattan joined local leaders in demanding yesterday that the agency in charge of rebuilding Ground Zero cut ties with the company chosen to demolish the highly toxic Deutsche Bank building.

Speakers at a Community Board 1 meeting charged that the John Galt Co., the firm hired by the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. to perform the job, received its asbestos abatement license as recently as last month and is not up to the job.

The community board also unanimously approved an emergency resolution calling on the LMDC "to quickly revise all demolition plans" and employ a more competent company.

The complaints came after the Daily News reported on Sunday that two top executives involved in the demolition project have links to the mob.

Those revelations followed the injury of two workers at the site and an Environmental Protection Agency warning that current plans for the site are unacceptable.

"It's almost unbelievable," Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer said of hiring John Galt Co. "They should suspend this company immediately."

Stephen Chasin, owner of Safeway, the firm recruited by John Galt to oversee the demolition, has said that there is no asbestos dust in the shrouded tower at 130 Liberty St.

"It's all hysteria," he has told The News.

The project was scheduled to begin this month but has been put off until at least June.

Oren Yaniv


Originally published on April 19, 2006

lofter1
April 21st, 2006, 09:39 PM
This is just dumbfounding ...

More Bone Fragments Found On Roof Of Deutsche Bank Building

NY 1
April 21, 2006

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=58829

Crews continue to find human bone fragments on the roof of the Deutsche Bank building next to the World Trade Center site.

The Medical Examiner's office said Friday 142 fragments were found this week, bringing to 598 the total number of fragments found in the building. Hundreds have been discovered in the last few weeks.

The ME says the new discovery means the search for remains will now take a few more weeks than expected.

The ME is using DNA tests to try and match each fragment to a 9/11 victim.

Workers have been cleaning the contaminated tower since the fall, preparing to dismantle it. Part of the World Trade Center's south tower collapsed onto the building.

Copyright &#169; 2006 NY1 News

vc10
April 22nd, 2006, 01:58 PM
Truth be told there are probably small bone fragments across lower Manhattan in various nooks and crannies, in the sewers, etc.


This is just dumbfounding ...

More Bone Fragments Found On Roof Of Deutsche Bank Building

ZippyTheChimp
April 22nd, 2006, 04:17 PM
Don't start.

lofter1
April 23rd, 2006, 03:46 PM
Schumer Asks For Military's Help In WTC Recovery


NY1 (http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=58849)
April 23, 2006

New York's Senior Senator wants the military to get involved in the search for remains across from the World Trade Center site.

Senator Charles Schumer is asking the Defense Department to send an elite military forensics team from the Joint POW/MIA Accountability Command to Lower Manhattan to help with the recovery. The request comes in the form of a letter to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Since the fall, workers have been cleaning the Deutsche Bank building which was destroyed in the terror attacks so it can be demolished.

In the past month, hundreds of bone fragments have been discovered in the building. Families have complained that it has taken too long to find the remains.

Schumer says the JPAC units can help because they have been able to find and identify close to 88,000 Americans lost from World War II to the first Gulf War. The remains of over 1,000 victims of the Trade Center attacks have yet to be identified.

Copyright © 2006 NY1 News.

mkeit
April 24th, 2006, 02:35 PM
http://www.renewnyc.com/plan_des_dev/130liberty/eupdates/130Liberty_EUpdate41.pdf

The LMDC, in this press release, says to ignore all the recent negative reports about the demolition.

lofter1
April 24th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Maybe if they say it enough even they will believe it.

truthbeknown
April 25th, 2006, 12:24 AM
Has anyone begun to question what is the link between john gault company and LMDC? I think an even more important link is Gault and Bovis. Remember Bovis is the GC on the Job and has awarded the contract to the John Gault Co. This is the same bovis who had the contract with Rapid demolition at the 57th street sanitation garage which had Phil Schwab working there. What is the link between Bovis, Phil Schwab, Harold Greenberg and Steve Chasin (Safeway and Big Apple0 and the mob? I dont know but Ims sure someone does.
Why would LMDC even take the chance of allowing contractors with that reputation to do this work. Halowed Ground. BS Money Ground is more like it.

Truthbetold