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NYguy
April 4th, 2003, 06:35 PM
Newsday...

Libeskind’s WTC Design Displayed at Winter Garden
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By Katia Hetter

Architect Daniel Libeskind's design for the World Trade Center site will be displayed starting Saturday at the Winter Garden atrium.

"The purpose of the exhibit is to create anothr forum to teach people about the process," said Nancy Poderycki, a spokeswoman for the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.

Libekind's proposal will take about 70 feet of the 200-foot-long exhibit, Poderycki said. The exhibit will include a timeline tracing the evolution of the trade center site, from the completion of the Twin Towers to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to the first stages of the rebuilding effort and memorial development process.

The exhibit will emphasize public participation, from LMDC's advisory councils to public hearings and people's comment cards.

Unsolicited proposals, ranging from children's art to more professional renderings, will be on view.

People interested in entering the memorial competition can gather information from the exhibit about the proposed location and size of the memorial site (4.7 acres in the so-called bathtub, where the Twin Towers once stood).

The Winter Garden atrium, where the previous exhibit of nine proposed site plans for the trade center site were displayed, is open every day from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m.

Manhattan-based Whirlwind & Co., which mounted the exhibit of the first, often-criticized site plans at Federal Hall and the previous Winter Garden exhibit, set up the current display.

JMGarcia
April 4th, 2003, 07:42 PM
Think I'll have to get the camera out this weekend. :)

Fabb
April 5th, 2003, 03:45 AM
How long will this exhibit be on display ?

NYguy
April 6th, 2003, 01:08 PM
I'm not sure how long it will last, I had planned to go today, but will have to do it later this week or next weekend...

(Newsday)

WTC Design Back On Display
New Presentation Features Construction Timeline
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By Christian Robért

Architect Daniel Libeskind's inspirational design for the World Trade Center site was displayed to rave reviews in the atrium of the restored Winter Garden in lower Manhattan yesterday.

The design, which leaves portions of the slurry wall exposed as a symbol of the strength and endurance of American democracy, has received widespread support for its focus on remembering the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.

"The purpose of the exhibit is to create another forum to teach people about the process," said Nancy Poderycki, a spokeswoman for the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.

The exhibit includes a timeline tracing the evolution of the site, from the completion of the World Trade Center to the terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, to the first stages of the rebuilding effort and memorial development process.

Residents and tourists praised Libeskind's plan as they mingled in the atrium of the Winter Garden.

"I like the idea of leaving the footprints of the Twin Towers intact," said Wendy Rossetter, 46, of Darien, Conn. "It's a great way to preserve the old site. I'm surprised, though, how much open space the plan involves."

Piero Cusumano, 40, of Howard Beach, also gave kudos to Libeskind's plan.

"I think it's a great design," Cusumano said. "It pays respect to the victims, and with the rebuilding, we fight back. It shows freedom."

Cusumano, who does marble restoration, worked around the corner from the World Trade Center just two weeks prior to the terrorist attacks.

"Hopefully there will be a lot of work for me and my partner once the rebuilding starts," he said.

Despite all the praise people gave the design, there seemed to be a few concerns with the new skyscrapers that will fill the void in Manhattan's skyline.

"I just don't know who would want to work that high up," Debbie Alvord, 43, of Stuart, Fla. said. "It must be psychologically stressful when you know what happened in the past."

North of the bathtub (part of the old building foundation), which is the 4.7-acre area reserved for the memorial and a museum, a 1,776-foot-tall spire will create a powerful new skyline for lower Manhattan.

The Lower Manhattan Development Corp. announced Memory Foundations by Studio Daniel Libeskind as the selected design for site on Feb. 27. Eight other designs considered were displayed and all were displayed publicly during the selection process.

"I went to see the other proposals and this one is definitely among the better ones," said Meredith Dwyer, 29, of the Upper West Side.

The exhibit, set up by Manhattan-based Whirlwind & Co., can be seen from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. daily.


http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2003-04/7291249.jpg
Piero Cusumano, right, and Teresa Knight (to his left) look through the newly unveiled windows in the Winter Garden atrium where visitors can see Studio Daniel Libeskin's multi-media exhibit of his World Trade Center plan. There's a model inside and a television (above Cusumano) that shows a morphing of the "ground zero" destruction to a grass-covered walkway and memorial inside the still-standing bathtub.

Fabb
April 6th, 2003, 02:12 PM
Well, it needs to last another month, or I will miss it.

Kris
April 6th, 2003, 02:18 PM
The new model:

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/ModelViewfromAbove.jpg

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/SkylineElevation.jpg

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/model_shot.jpg

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/Museum+September11Place.jpg

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/MemorialSite.jpg

Fabb
April 6th, 2003, 02:26 PM
Still not seduced.
But I'll make an effort.

JMGarcia
April 6th, 2003, 03:25 PM
Judging by the height difference in the two tallest towers in this shot it looks like the model was built based on the shorter option proposed. Tower heights being approx...

1776 - 111+ floors
1120 - 70 floors
1050 - 65 floors
960 - 60 floor
920 - 55 floors
755 - 50 floors

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/SkylineElevation.jpg


Also, it seems a lot more stone has been added to the facades as can be seen above and also in this shot.

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/MemorialSite.jpg

This is the older shot of the original 2nd model. It appears to have used the taller proposed option. Notice the similarity in heights between the tallest 2 towers and the greater spiral downward as compared to the new model.

Older
http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/model_shot.jpg

Newer
http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/ModelViewfromAbove.jpg

(Edited by JMGarcia at 2:29 pm on April 6, 2003)

Fabb
April 6th, 2003, 04:41 PM
It's interesting to speculate on the height, but we don't even know if there will be 4 or 5 towers.
Or 1.

JMGarcia
April 6th, 2003, 07:16 PM
Here's some pics from the new Libeskind display at the Winter Garden.

Details at the top of the tower showing some people and telecommunications equipment.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model1.jpg



Some overview shots of the site.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model2.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model3.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model4.jpg




Close up of the Museum (center), Preformance Center (left) and Transportation Center(right)
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model5.jpg



An attempt at comparing heights to the 739ft Amex Bldg. and the 743ft 1 Liberty Plaza. Its a bit difficult because of the depth of the model so I tried to draw the lines to compare buildings at different depths.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model8.jpg


View Up West St.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model9.jpg


View Up Washington St.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model10.jpg



Close up of the Museum Wing over West St.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model11.jpg


View from the south east showing the stone facades added to the towers.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model12.jpg


Aerial of the Museum and Memorial area. The building rising in the right foreground is the proposed replacement to 130 Liberty St. which will be the shortest of the new towers.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model13.jpg



Close up of the Transportation Center
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model14.jpg

tugrul
April 6th, 2003, 09:48 PM
Some highly unscientific pixel counting:

Base of Amex: 550th scanline
Peak of Amex: 260th scanline

739 / (550 - 260) ~ 2.55

Lowest point of slant on tallest tower: 215th scanline
Highest point of slant on tallest tower: 140th scanline

(550 - 215) * 2.55 ~ 855ft
(550 - 140) * 2.55 ~ 1045ft

Peak of the second tallest tower: 190th scanline

(550 - 190) * 2.55 ~ 920ft

The Garden Tower itself only seems to extend to about 13xxft (rough pixel counting on JM's second shot gives me 1320ft). At least that will make it easier to explain to tourists how big they used to be, which I feel will be a top 5 question.

Its a very busy site. I wonder what its going to be like at street level. And that pit...

I wish that model didn't look like it was made out of moldy cheese.

Fabb
April 7th, 2003, 04:38 AM
Thanks for the math.

Am I the only one to see a christian symbol, at the base of the office building ?
Could it be intentional ?

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model13.jpg

Kris
April 7th, 2003, 05:46 AM
Is MTV's presence news? I don't trust my memory since I forgot about Brooklyn's proposed tallest.

Bennie B
April 7th, 2003, 09:26 AM
Quote: from tugrul on 8:48 pm on April 6, 2003

I wish that model didn't look like it was made out of moldy cheese.Tugrul you know what they say--blessed are the cheesemakers. *(heh) *;)

ddny
April 7th, 2003, 05:48 PM
JMGarcia...honestly, I am not convinced that 3 of those buildings will be over 1000 feet.

It seems only the building with the spire is the only one that can claim to be a 1000+ feet. The second building just barely towers over the American Express building?

It's too bad the Libeskind chose the shorter version of his plan.

JMGarcia
April 7th, 2003, 06:20 PM
Well, in the shorter version only the 70 and 65 story towers are supposed to be over 1000ft (with the 65 story tower just barely past the mark) where as the taller version had 2 70 story towers and a 65.

I'm not convinced either what the actual heights will be. They're just estimates at this point based on a variety of factors and information I've got. These buildings haven't been spec'ed out yet so they are really more like massing models than anything at the moment. Who knows what'll happen when the final designs are made and mechanical drawing are done.

I will say that with modern floor heights that a 65 or 70 story tower should past 1000 feet. Look at Bloomberg at 856 and only 54 floors, some of which are resident

In any case you can see in this shot that the 2 eastern towers are definitely taller than 1 Liberty by a good bit. Also it shows how, because of the angle of the shot and depth of the model that the shorter Amex looks much taller than 1 Liberty. Its very hard to tell from a 2D picture that's not a pure elevation.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze26pnp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/model8.jpg


Compare the above pic to this one and you can see how perceptions can change based on the angle and what's in the foreground/background etc.

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/press/middle/SkylineElevation.jpg

DominicanoNYC
April 7th, 2003, 06:44 PM
Hmmmmm... Interesting. I wonder if he meant for the offical height to be 1776ft, which is the same number as the year the US declared independence from Britain. *

NYatKNIGHT
April 7th, 2003, 06:54 PM
Yes, he did.

Bennie B
April 7th, 2003, 08:26 PM
I have to admit, they did a good job of modeling the WFC. *:)

yanni111
April 8th, 2003, 12:11 AM
Why did he make the spire come out off center? It would look a billion times better coming out of the very end tip, it looks stupid like this, is there some kind of reason for that?