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JMGarcia
May 9th, 2003, 08:43 PM
Some pointless trivia. Here are some estimates of the highest offices in some of NY's tallest buildings

ESB ~1000 Ft - Above the first elevator you get off going to the observatory is mostly communications equipment.

Rockefeller Plaza ~ 800 Ft.

Chrysler ~775 - Above is the unused Cloud Club and a few small private offices only. Not more than a dozen people up there.

Conde Naste ~650

40 Wall, 60 Pine ~750 - Their crowns are mostly unused.

Chase Manhattan, Met Life ~750 - Mechanical spaces at the top.

Citicorp ~725

The Skyscraperpage Diagram pretty well confirms it.

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?1913257

Fabb
May 11th, 2003, 12:13 PM
Basically, what you mean is that unoccupied space on top of tall buildings is nothing new, right ?

Chrysler, ESB, Conde Nast and even the Woolworth building would belong to that category.
So, finally, we should admit that Libeskind's Freedom Tower is a legitimate super-tall building that deserves to be admired.

Well, maybe.
Still inferior to the twins though.

JMGarcia
May 11th, 2003, 02:17 PM
No Fabb, actually I was thinking that there is no really high office space in the city since the WTC collapse.

TLOZ Link5
May 11th, 2003, 03:47 PM
"Freedom Tower?"

Bleh...that's not kitsch; that's Middle America.

Fabb
May 11th, 2003, 03:51 PM
You two don't help me much.
I've got to find a reason to accept that plan.

TomAuch
May 11th, 2003, 04:21 PM
Quote: from JMGarcia on 7:43 pm on May 9, 2003
Some pointless trivia. Here are some estimates of the highest offices in some of NY's tallest buildings

ESB ~1000 Ft - Above the first elevator you get off going to the observatory is mostly communications equipment.

Rockefeller Plaza ~ 800 Ft.

Chrysler ~775 - Above is the unused Cloud Club and a few small private offices only. Not more than a dozen people up there.

Conde Naste ~650

40 Wall, 60 Pine ~750 - Their crowns are mostly unused.

Chase Manhattan, Met Life ~750 - Mechanical spaces at the top.

Citicorp ~725

The Skyscraperpage Diagram pretty well confirms it.

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?1913257





So bascially, the ESB's highest occupied floor is the 86th?

JMGarcia
May 11th, 2003, 04:38 PM
The ESB observatory is on the 86th floor at 1050ft. Pretty much all the space in the floors in the 80's are for communication equipment. So I guess they're occupied but not really typical offices.

You can see in this picture there are really very few windows in the floors directly below the 86th floor observatory and they don't start up again for 8 floors or so.

http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Trivia/ANTENNAS%20ON%20ESB_files/ESB006.JPG

JMGarcia
May 11th, 2003, 04:42 PM
You two don't help me much.
I've got to find a reason to accept that plan.

Define you criteria for what is acceptable.

TLOZ Link5
May 11th, 2003, 08:13 PM
The 87th to 101st floors are housed within the spire, I take it. *It was originally designed as a debarkation staircase for dirigible passengers who docked at the top, but what exactly does it house now?

Also, I've heard that the 102nd floor observation deck was closed recently.

phxmania2001
May 11th, 2003, 10:15 PM
Quote: from TLOZ Link5 on 7:13 pm on May 11, 2003
Also, I've heard that the 102nd floor observation deck was closed recently.

Some guy who works there told me it was closed years ago. :(

BrooklynRider
May 12th, 2003, 10:40 AM
102nd observation floor has been closed for years. *It was a rather small circular room, windows all around. *Very claustrophobic and not suitable for the volume of tourist visitors the building receives. *I don't think you could get 20 people in there comfortably. *It's been 30 years since I went up their with my grandfather. *


(Edited by BrooklynRider at 9:10 am on May 13, 2003)

NYatKNIGHT
May 12th, 2003, 01:39 PM
You would think they could make better use, even generate income, from these fantastic aeries with unparalleled views.

TLOZ Link5
May 12th, 2003, 05:21 PM
Back in the '50s and '60s, practically every major skyscraper had a public observation deck, even Chase Manhattan. *Some of those observatories should be reopened, IMHO.

Fabb
May 12th, 2003, 05:31 PM
I agree.
The view of 40 Wall st. from Chase Manhattan must be fantastic.

NYatKNIGHT
May 12th, 2003, 05:32 PM
Chase has a nice big roof too.

zepplin100
May 22nd, 2003, 11:17 PM
What happend to Chrysler's Cloud Club? Why isn't it still in use??

TLOZ Link5
May 23rd, 2003, 04:43 PM
The Cloud Club was made obsolete when the Empire State Building's observatory opened. *It remained open to the public for a little while afterward, but later became a corporate lounge. *After a long period of neglect, its floors are now occupied by office space.

Ptarmigan
June 4th, 2003, 02:43 AM
Quote: from TLOZ Link5 on 3:21 pm on May 12, 2003
Back in the '50s and '60s, practically every major skyscraper had a public observation deck, even Chase Manhattan. *Some of those observatories should be reopened, IMHO.


That would be cool. Every building will give you a different perspective of the New York skyline.