WTC Tower One - by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (formerly "Freedom Tower")

[tall]

It was decided from the start, and correctly, that the office space would be phased in by demand. Having that office space in only two towers would mean that there would be no second tower going up for a long time.

The original WTC took at least a decade to complete.

I don't see what the problem is with the 'shorter' tower 2. It's less than 100 feet. And if you want to look at it as a tape-measure issue, two extra 1000 footers in the package.

On a structural or volume basis, don't you think it's a bit jaded to dismiss all this.

The new tower 2 will be 1358' compaired to the original tower 2 at 1362

[STR]

^2 World Trade will be 1,350 feet tall from lobby surface to the tip of the crown. The couple of articles stating 1358 are mistaken.

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I like Tower 1 reflecting Tower 2 reflecting Tower 1 back at itself. It probably means I need to blur the reflection more.

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[Daquan13]

Those pics look nice!

[Derek2k3]

Wow str, amazing job.

[lofter1]

New alignment this AM for the earth cam ...

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[antinimby]

The death rays reflecting off from all that shiny glass can melt steel.

[injcsince81]

The last time I went up the ESB it was empty because of overcast. The clouds ended about 800 feet and you looked over a pearly white sea with nothing but the tips of the tallest buildings sticking out.


That sounds like a picture of a lifetime.

Do you have it (care to share), or is this picture only in your memory?

[BStyles]

STR that wasn't funny! I almost believed that for a moment!:p

I could live off the renders any day!

[oquatanginwan]

Nice renders STR. Tower 2 really looks like a pig. Ugly, ugly thing.

[tall]

I stand corrected WTC tower 2 1350'

[GordonGecko]

^2 World Trade will be 1,350 feet tall from lobby surface to the tip of the crown. The couple of articles stating 1358 are mistaken.
What's this? (guessing something rendered in improper perspective)

http://i52.tinypic.com/2mi1gzb.jpg

[tall]

Yes that's tower 2

[STR]

What's this? (guessing something rendered in improper perspective)

http://i52.tinypic.com/2mi1gzb.jpg

Which part? There's a lot of things going on in that part of the crown, all of which seems properly rendered (aside from the north-facing notch which has a few floors sticking out a half inch too far, but I fixed that today and it's just outside of your green box, so that can't be it). There's the roof notch, which has a flat area in the middle, and a couple of glass parapets on the S & W sides.

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[Nomadd]

That sounds like a picture of a lifetime.

Do you have it (care to share), or is this picture only in your memory?

Sorry. Never was one for carrying a camera all the time. Bad, I know, because the most memorable pictures are the ones you weren't looking for but were ready for.

[injcsince81]

Sorry. Never was one for carrying a camera all the time. Bad, I know, because the most memorable pictures are the ones you weren't looking for but were ready for.

Totally agree. I sometimes get mad when there is an great picture opportunity and I don't have a camera with me. Then my wife reminds me - "that picture will remain in your head. It is better that way...."

I am not sure I agree, but at least it makes me feel a bit better. Thanks for the response.

Getting back on topic - great renders, STR.

[Daquan13]

From a distance it looked like some stairs.

[STR]

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[Daquan13]

Great pic!

[lofter1]

From a distance it looked like some stairs.

Perfect for the next remake of King Kong :cool:

[uakoops]

...and she's buying a stairway to heaven.....

[stache]

I thought it was one of lofter's hairpins. :D

[ZenSteelDude]

^^^:)


STR, I'm drooling like a stroke patent and it's all your fault !!!!!!!

Great stuff !

[ZippyTheChimp]

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4199/wtc236p.th.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/wtc236p.jpg/)

[Tectonic]

Is the 'crown' and spire of 1 WTC, just architectural? It's not very graceful. I like tower 2 much more than 1. 1 WTC as a center piece lacks character I think.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8971/n111i.jpg

[BStyles]

The spire is the more graceful part. It encases the antenna and is transparent to radio waves. The crown is a communications ring, and I'm not sure if its possible or even feasible at this point to encase the microwave dishes.

[antinimby]

I agree with Tectonic. Never did like One's design. The top looks messy and more like "equipment" than a crown.

Is there another case in the world where a spire is held in place by cable wires?

[Daquan13]

There once was a comic pic somewhere of Pataki in a King Kong costume, having climbed the Freedom Tower. This was the the design before the present one.

[Nomadd]

I'd like to see what's inside those elements on the communications ring. They're not microwave dishes. And if you get a handle on the scale they're huge and they can't be individual antennas. I'd thing 700mhz antennas for the new LTE networks, but those are suppose to be pretty much done before the tower is functional. There are probably dozens of elements in each one. I'm not sure what might be in the spire. Last I heard, the broadcast deal had fallen through.

It looks a helluva lot better than that garbage they've stuck all over the ESB.

[scumonkey]

I like tower one's design... except for that ridiculous,Vegas looking, upside down upholstery tack,
which looks arbitrarily dropped on top.
Would've looked better just putting an antenna that looked like the original there instead (damned the height thing).

[TREPYE]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8971/n111i.jpg

The interplay between the ring and the spire is not very good. Looks like a patch job. the cables should have more substance and allow a more graceful connection between the two parts. In addition, the circles around the ring are very unpresentable.

[Daquan13]

I'm not fussy.

I'm just glad to see stuff being built there and the land being rebuilt.

[tall]

If they decided to put up the same white and orange antenna mast and support wires as the 1 WTC V1 had. How would that look better then the white spire with support wires on 1 WTC V2?.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Does anyone know exactly how this is going to look?

No matter what anyone calls it, it's an antenna tower, meant to hold transmission equipment. The covering on the mast is a radome, material transparent to radio waves. Same for the ring. The cables aren't meant to be architectural; they support the mast and
must also be transparent to radio waves.

The ring will also contain the window washing equipment.

A case of form follows function.

[lofter1]

It looks a helluva lot better than that garbage they've stuck all over the ESB.

Exactly. Hopefully lots of the ESB garbage will come down once this is up.

[GordonGecko]

Which part? There's a lot of things going on in that part of the crown, all of which seems properly rendered (aside from the north-facing notch which has a few floors sticking out a half inch too far, but I fixed that today and it's just outside of your green box, so that can't be it). There's the roof notch, which has a flat area in the middle, and a couple of glass parapets on the S & W sides.
Well I was looking at the perspective of that image as taken from above looking down on the new WTC 1 tower, so necessarily there shouldn't be anything taller in frame. That structure on the left looks like it rises well above WTC 1.

But re-reading the thread again, is that supposed to be the reflective view of WTC1? If so I'm still not sure how WTC1 could appear to be that much shorter

[scumonkey]

If they decided to put up the same white and orange antenna mast and support wires as the 1 WTC V1 had. How would that look better then the white spire with support wires on 1 WTC V2?.
Because it was not as bulky, didn't have the ufo's around the bottom, and wasn't pretending to be anything that it wasn't.
(you really couldn't even see the orange very well (if at all),from the ground.
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cropped section of image by:By ajmexico (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajmexico/) Jamie Cox (http://www.flickr.com/people/ajmexico/)
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[STR]

I'd like to see what's inside those elements on the communications ring. They're not microwave dishes. And if you get a handle on the scale they're huge and they can't be individual antennas.

Microwave dishes come in all shapes and sizes depending on the frequency they're using. The building, when complete, will almost certainly not have a ring of 72 identically sized emitters. The ones on the model are 9 or 10 feet wide, if I recall correctly (that part is a holdover from the last remake of the model, so the details have long since faded).


I'd thing 700mhz antennas for the new LTE networks, but those are suppose to be pretty much done before the tower is functional.

No. You would NEVER stick a cell antenna that high up in an urban area. The cell size would be enormous and overloaded 100% of the time. Mobile networks are also just one of many things RF antennas are used for. Some uses would include line-of-sight datalinks and sending signals farther away than is feasible with the omni-directional main antenna.


It looks a helluva lot better than that garbage they've stuck all over the ESB.

Well, yeah, they're actually planning for all the equipment that will be shoved up there in due time. Everything on ESB is literally bolted on.


Well I was looking at the perspective of that image as taken from above looking down on the new WTC 1 tower, so necessarily there shouldn't be anything taller in frame. That structure on the left looks like it rises well above WTC 1.

But re-reading the thread again, is that supposed to be the reflective view of WTC1? If so I'm still not sure how WTC1 could appear to be that much shorter

No, it's perspective. Since the base of 2WTC is ~300 feet to the left and above of the base of 1WTC, it will appear higher in the frame unless you're really close to 1WTC with a wide angle lens. The render simulates being high above the city (probably somewhere a third of the way to midtown so it's almost more of a side-angle shot) with a high power zoom lens.


Does anyone know exactly how this is going to look?

About the only thing I'm not sure on is the treatment of of the com-ring levels. I left it solid-looking, but will almost certainly be some form of lightweight grating. The proportions are correct, down to the thickness of the kevlar guy-wires. The exact number and positioning of the directional antennas will depend on who signs up for space up there. I made it filled to capacity because it's just easier to delete them later on. It's also likely that we won't see all of them pointing out radially as shown, instead each one will be pointed at a different, specific target. It will be a bit messier than depicted, but I'll mess with that when the thing is done in real life.

[BStyles]

Because it was not as bulky, didn't have the ufo's around the bottom, and wasn't pretending to be anything that it wasn't.

How is it pretending to be something that it's not?

It's doing exactly what it was intended: to ensure broadcast signals flow. The antenna was always supposed to be encased in a spire while the communications ring served its purpose. The twins had it lucky, because there were two of them. That's not the case this time.

Seriously though, will New Yorkers really care?

[stache]

Once it's up we'll get used to it.

[ZippyTheChimp]

The render simulates being high above the city with a high power zoom lens.Then wouldn't there be more telephoto compression distortion?

[scumonkey]

How is it pretending to be something that it's not?It's pretending to be a structural spire and not just the antenna that it actually is...
"The antenna was always supposed to be encased in a spire"
gotta make it a structural (not just an antenna so it's pretending), thing if you want the height to count.
I'll get used to it but i'll NEVER like it.

[GordonGecko]

No, it's perspective. Since the base of 2WTC is ~300 feet to the left and above of the base of 1WTC, it will appear higher in the frame unless you're really close to 1WTC with a wide angle lens. The render simulates being high above the city (probably somewhere a third of the way to midtown so it's almost more of a side-angle shot) with a high power zoom lens.
Unfortunately that's just not possible. There is no possible perspective that looks down on WTC1's roof which shows WTC2 like this in the render. WTC1 is 1,368 feet high at roof level. Even if you consider the tripod antenna of WTC2, that is a point 8 feet lower at 1,350 feet. It's just not optically possible to look down on the roof or antenna of WTC1 like this with WTC2 appearing at that level

http://i52.tinypic.com/2mi1gzb.jpg

[STR]

2WTC isn't looking down on 1WTC. You're just not grasping the geometry. 3 & 4 WTC are higher up in the frame as well, yet since 4WTC is partially occluded, it's clearly not taller. The kind of error you think happened is not possible unless I specifically move the building, which I haven't. The arrangement of the buildings in that picture are identical, down to the 1/1000th of an inch, to the ones in the render below.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3629/n117.jpg


Then wouldn't there be more telephoto compression distortion?

3DS Max recreates distortion with extreme accuracy. It makes it easier to recreate RL shots, and for the image in question, I could even give the lens equivalent if I had kept that information. So at whatever virtual position the camera was, at that level of zoom, it has the correct amount of distortion.

[GordonGecko]

I know what you're saying, and I realize I'm probably not explaining properly, but it comes down to the angle that you're looking down at WTC1 with. It's fairly steep, and intuitively I don't think WTC2 would appear that way in frame. Sorry to hijack the thread, I will let it go - your renders look amazing this is no big deal

[ZippyTheChimp]

^
I see the assumption now that is causing the optical illusion.

1WTC is the closest foreground building. If your mind sees 2WTC as closer, the perspective looks all wrong. The problem may be sharpness in the image. The piece of 2WTC looks to be in sharper focus than 1WTC, giving the impression that it's closer to the viewer.

[STR]

I GET IT! The problem is because 2WTC looks darker, which gives the impression that's it's closer. However, it only looks darker because the sides of the building are reflecting the city, whereas 1WTC is only reflecting the sky, which doesn't contrast as much, which might make it seem that it's further back into the haze.

[lofter1]

Is sculptor Kenneth Snelson (http://www.kennethsnelson.net/) still involved with the design of the spire (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3672&p=19663&highlight=kenneth+snelson#post19663)?

[lofter1]

Snelson continues to be noted on the Silverstein / WTC website (http://www.wtc.com/about/freedom-tower):



A communications platform ring will rise above the parapet, and a 408-foot, cable-stayed antenna, designed in collaboration with artist Kenneth Snelson, will crown the project.

[STR]

Not sure what he's done lately though. I dug up a couple of new stories that mention Snelson, but they're all from when the SOM-only design was unveiled in 2005. Closest since then was an article on his art pieces on display at 7 World Trade. My guess was that he was a big part of the spiraled guy wires originally part of the design (at least it looks a lot like his work) before they added the geometric communications ring in 2006, and made it progressively less artistic and more practical since then with the current open-air 3 level comm ring.

[DarrylStrawberry]

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Are the double height floors in the rendering sky-lobbies?

Also, let me echo the consensus, awesome work STR. Thank you.

[tall]

It's pretending to be a structural spire and not just the antenna that it actually is...
"The antenna was always supposed to be encased in a spire"
gotta make it a structural (not just an antenna so it's pretending), thing if you want the height to count.
I'll get used to it but i'll NEVER like it.

So it's not a spire. It's only an antenna in reality. If they didn't need to broadcast from the building it would be only 1368' with no spire needed.

[STR]

Are the double height floors in the rendering sky-lobbies?

Also, let me echo the consensus, awesome work STR. Thank you.

The double-height space is a skylobby in Tower 1, but just mechanical space in Tower 2, with the skylobby being the immediate (slightly taller than normal, but clearly far from double height) floor below. Here's a view from Tower 1's express lobby:
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[JSsocal]

Yesterday
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[Daquan13]

Seven gives a stunning reflection of Tower One!

What is that blue thing that sticks out on the upper floors of the building. I've seen similar things like that stick out on the BD Tower when it was being built.

[ZippyTheChimp]

^
Same function as the dark netting used on the lower floors, but has a rigid frame. Used on the top floors where columns and beams are being installed.

This shows one wall being raised by the tower crane.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6316/wtc234p.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/wtc234p.jpg/)

[GreenwichBoy]

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[Daquan13]

^
Same function as the dark netting used on the lower floors, but has a rigid frame. Used on the top floors where columns and beams are being installed.

This shows one wall being raised by the tower crane.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6316/wtc234p.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/wtc234p.jpg/)



Thanks.

[mariab]

Powerful pics Jsocal.

[James Kovata]

From Greenwich Boy's pics, the top looks like its closing in on 7WTC's height.

[NoyokA]

While I like the tapering/octagon/pyramid form of the tower there's something about it that makes it look shorter than it really is. I think the base has a lot to do with it. They should have continued the taper all the way to the base
...........................................Λ
Making it one giant Λ instead of V

(I hope the V's line up on your computer)

[stache]

Good point. More like the Hancock tower.

[Daquan13]

The tower is almost reminiscent of it's next door neighbor 7 WTC when IT was being built!

[BrooklynLove]

We're now a few weeks away from losing view from the East (in Brooklyn) of the WTC tower immediately to the West of WTC 1. I'd say equal height with WTC 7 from the same vantage point before end of February.

[ZenSteelDude]

Original photo by GreenwichBoy.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5361312564_ab01af2355_b.jpg

So now top of steel is about 4 feet above the 56th floor (666' 8").

Six more floors and it will be taller than #7. (It will also pass 3 WFC in the same week.)

[ZippyTheChimp]

Then & Now

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6195/wtc238pa.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/wtc238pa.jpg/) http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8195/wtc238p.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/wtc238p.jpg/)

[LeCom]

^Good comparison, 1WTC is gonna dominate West Street.

[ZenSteelDude]

Great stuff Zippy !

I wonder how many people out there do not know that the new Tower One will be just as tall as the old Tower One. (Plus the spire of course.)

Totally off topic. J E T S JETS JETS JETS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tectonic]

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[tall]

Does anyone know if the window washing unit runs on tracks between the glass.

[ZippyTheChimp]

Yes

[RKOwens44]

Then & Now

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Wow, very cool. I've been flipping back and forth between to the two pics to see the differences. It would be awesome if you could take another pic from that exact location like once every few months or so.

[Nomadd]

I was helping the recycling effort my making empty beer cans last night with a concrete guy and he couldn't answer a question of mine, so I hoped somebody here might know.
Is the floor and core concrete different formulas? I was pretty sure that the minimum floor pouring temps were higher than minimum core pouring temps, since the core probably puts out quite a bit of heat while curing, and was wondering if they might have redirected incoming concrete to the core while the weather was cold.

[ZippyTheChimp]

It would be awesome if you could take another pic from that exact location like once every few months or so.Let's see. April. Not 20 degrees. No clumsy gloves.

No problem. :p

[STR]

Seven gives a stunning reflection of Tower One!


All the buildings are going to reflect off each other. We might even be able discern reflections of reflections.


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[Sherpa]

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[Daquan13]

Nice 'then & now" pics that you posted, Zippy!

However, when I clicked on them to enlarge them, this bogus website popped up, claiming that my computer is affected by a virus, and started downloading a supposed virus scan, trying to force its way into my pc! Isn't that illegal for them to do that?

[scumonkey]

It's not them that are doing that....

[Daquan13]

It's coming from somewhere, and it is very annoying and aggravating!

I already have virus protection software installd. Why would I even want that?

Anyway, the pics are nice.

[STR]

The ESB is really rough, but complete enough for a general comparison of the Empire State's (on average) 20x20 grid, vs Tower 1's composite core and 30 foot perimeter system. Average slab-to-slab floor height in ESB is 11'6, 1WTC's is 13'4.
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[BrooklynLove]

It's coming from somewhere, and it is very annoying and aggravating!

I already have virus protection software installd. Why would I even want that?

Anyway, the pics are nice.

Ease off on the porn.

[Nomadd]

Nice 'then & now" pics that you posted, Zippy!

However, when I clicked on them to enlarge them, this bogus website popped up, claiming that my computer is affected by a virus, and started downloading a supposed virus scan, trying to force its way into my pc! Isn't that illegal for them to do that?

That "virus scan" is the virus Bubba. If it downloads it will just bring in more crap. It's the most popular Trojan out there. They'll try to blackmail you by demanding money to stop. Something as simple as Spybot will stop it. If it's serious, Spybot will reboot the computer and clean it out before the bad stuff has a chance to load.
Your existing virus software must be crap if it didn't stop this in the first place.

[Daquan13]

Ease off on the porn.



That is NOT porn!!

[Daquan13]

That "virus scan" is the virus Bubba. If it downloads it will just bring in more crap. It's the most popular Trojan out there. They'll try to blackmail you by demanding money to stop. Something as simple as Spybot will stop it. If it's serious, Spybot will reboot the computer and clean it out before the bad stuff has a chance to load.
Your existing virus software must be crap if it didn't stop this in the first place.




It's McAffee that I have. I'll run a system check and a virus scan.

Probably no firewall in place to stop it.

[ZenSteelDude]

Does anyone know if the window washing unit runs on tracks between the glass.

The scaffold hangs from units up on the roof but there are tie in tracks between the glass pannels running vertically.

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[ZenSteelDude]

I was helping the recycling effort my making empty beer cans last night with a concrete guy and he couldn't answer a question of mine, so I hoped somebody here might know.
Is the floor and core concrete different formulas? I was pretty sure that the minimum floor pouring temps were higher than minimum core pouring temps, since the core probably puts out quite a bit of heat while curing, and was wondering if they might have redirected incoming concrete to the core while the weather was cold.

The minimum psi of the core cement is MUCH higher than the floor slab cement and they are not interchangeable. Sure, they could use core cement for the slabs in a pinch, but it would be a waste of good money.

As far as I know there are no minimum pouring temps, they can pour in 20 degree below zero weather as long as the forms and rebar are pre-heated and they do have to take precautions against freezing before the 50% strength cure time. (I'm going from memory here so, I could be wrong. Concrete is a bit outside of my scope of expertise.)

[JSsocal]

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[ZippyTheChimp]

^
4WTC cranes.

[ZenSteelDude]

Tower One is going to pass #7 WTC, #3 WFC and the new Goldman Sachs building all in the same week. It'll pass the tallest building in New Jersey a few weeks later, 30 Hudson St. AKA the GS building.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_by_U.S._state

[Daquan13]

And by the end of the year, it will eclipse the ESB!

I was in Washington, DC to celebrate New Year's, and I'm totally shocked to find out that there are no skyscrapers there in the downtown area!!

[JSsocal]

^^^There are height restrictions on tall buildings there, and personally I like the European feel the city has because of it.

[Daquan13]

Never knew that. One of the few cities that don't have tall office towers!

[RoldanTTLB]

They appear to be skipping some decking before this next level? Not sure what's going on, but maybe the column on the corner splits at this level.

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[ZippyTheChimp]

Sunday, Jan 16

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1830/wtc239c.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/wtc239c.jpg/) http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7366/wtc240c.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/wtc240c.jpg/)

[scumonkey]

nice catch ;)

[ZenSteelDude]

OSHA rules allow 2 open floors above the current working floor. They are still within the rules. In other words, they do not have to deck out the 54th floor until steel is up to the 57th floor. (But steel is only up to the 56th floor.)

Of course they are erecting 2 floors at a time so apply the rules as needed.

Bottom line, there is a 100% fall protection rule in effect, that simply means if you are 6 feet above anything you must have fall protection. (You have to be tied in to something, with a harness.)

(I'm sure some of you have noticed the red lines in some photos, or the steel cables in others. Fall protection lines.)

(If you have the time to spare, and about $500, I could direct you where to go to get an OSHA 30 hour course certificate. (What I have, and am required to have under OSHA rules as "the competent person" on site.) Though the 10 hour course is sufficient for general workers.)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5374579514_d8478a5e09_b.jpg

I actually had to take a refresher course in '07, to get with the times.

That's just the card they gave me to show safety officers on site, I also have a nice diploma to hang on my wall. (Next to my $50,000 diploma from NJIT.) LMAO

[Derek2k3]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5006/5374761058_2dd5c13dab_b.jpg

[stache]

FYI it is possible to get the OSHA 30 hour certificate for free through NY state grants. I did this a couple of years ago.

[LemSkroob]

Never knew that. One of the few cities that don't have tall office towers!


IIRC, the rule is, you cant be taller than the Washington Monument.

[ZippyTheChimp]

nice catch ;)What do you see?

[RoldanTTLB]

IIRC, the rule is, you cant be taller than the Washington Monument.

It's actually somewhat more complicated than that. There's no actual height restriction based on the Monument, but in fact it's all based on a multiple of street width. The calculation is then set up so that you'd never have a street wide enough to allow for a building taller than the monument. One of the current issues they're trying to figure out is where to count the start of the building. For example, they plan to build out over the yard at Union Station. Does the height of the building start at the tracks, or at the platform? The buildings will look much taller than the surrounding area (which is depressed from the tracks to begin with), if the height starts from the platform. Developers may not want to spend the money on only 10 story buildings (vs. about 13) if the height starts at the tracks, though. The building envelopes will surely be much fuller if height starts from the tracks as well.

[STR]

^I believe the actual restriction is the Capitol dome, with the Washington Monument being the sole exception.

Minor detail, and in the end the result is the same. Just FYI.

[Daquan13]

Didn't dawn on me. The Washington Monument IS the tallest nan-made structure there!

[kinggober]

Check out "JETS" written in the snow by the vent structure.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_CEoXlIKrtDY/TToUyQK58II/AAAAAAAAAGI/LYeDCcx4RsQ/ss3-1.jpg

[mariab]

Well since the Giants are out of it, GO JETS!

[BStyles]

Weren't they saying that the Jets weren't going to make it to the super bowl...?:rolleyes:

I like 1WTC's glass reflection in contrast to the snow. It should look pretty interesting when its done.

[ZenSteelDude]

FYI it is possible to get the OSHA 30 hour certificate for free through NY state grants. I did this a couple of years ago.

I think New Jersey has grants available as well. Of course the company paid for mine, we were in a hurry.

It's also qualifies as a business expense deductible on federal taxes.

"Jets carpet bomb Pittsburgh, story at 11!"

[James Kovata]

I was in Washington, DC to celebrate New Year's, and I'm totally shocked to find out that there are no skyscrapers there in the downtown area!!

The "tall" buildings across the Potomac Rive in Virginia. I also like the height restrictions. With the exception of the Washington Monument, nothing can be taller that the Capitol dome. (That's the rule of thumb behind the restrictions, or so I am told.) At last check, the Washington Monument remains the tallest masonry structure in the world and was the world's tallest man-made anything from the time it was completed until the Eiffel Tower was built.

[newhannibal]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5122/5362098595_77a04ebbf1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/5362098595/)
Side By Side Comparison: One World Trade Center and Seven World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/5362098595/) by newhannibal112 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ryanbudhu/), on Flickr

[James Kovata]

Beautiful!

[scumonkey]

quite impressive- both photo and subject matter

[BStyles]

Is it just me, or did 7WTC just own this picture?

[STR]

^Just remember that 1WTC is clad in precisely the same material. So somone find out the date, time and location, so we can have a re-do in a year. :)

[NoyokA]

I agree BStyles. 7 WTC has the best skin of any skyscraper I've ever seen. Although its the same glass, 1 WTC wont be the same quality because it doesn't have the curved aluminum spandrels behind the bottom of the glass panels, except for at the sides, 7 WTC has it every floor.

[ZenSteelDude]

#1 is a cleaner slicker design due to the internal spandrel panels. Better than 7.

They also go a long way toward minimizing the larger spandrel beams of #1.

PS: The spandrels on #1 will be nearly invisible during daylight.

Photo by NYGuy over at SSP.
http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/1108509.jpg

[newhannibal]

Also, I don't mean to spam the forum but since someone mentioned a yearly update, I plan on taking another photo next year:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5247/5353240169_4c5ac034db_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/5353240169/)
One World Trade Center - One Years Progress (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/5353240169/) by newhannibal112 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ryanbudhu/), on Flickr

[NoyokA]

if you hope to get in the entire tower you'll have to change the camera angle.

[newhannibal]

Well I think I will just take two shots (one of the same shot and base of the tower and another of the of top of the tower) and then merge them into one image. Hopefully it will come out decently.

[Derek2k3]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5086/5381095452_d315f3002b_b.jpg

Its gonna look like a big mirror. I hope the birds understand the scope of what's going up here.

[stache]

No one seems to care about the birds. :( :( :(

[HoveringCheesecake]

Hey, Zen, why is the upcoming skylobby floor two stories only on the north facing side of the building? Just to give people a nice view before they transfer elevators, or to provide access to more elevators at the transfer?

[ZenSteelDude]

You'll have to ask the architect. Personally I would have put it on the south side.

If anything, it hinders the speed of changing elevators.

I'm sitting here looking at pics posted on this forum as well as SSP and SSC and I noticed a few things.

The cranes on tower One were relettered (and I assume ownership changed) from Lomma/NY Crane to DCM/ Federated.

They took down the tower crane at the DB building.

[195Broadway]

No one seems to care about the birds. :( :( :(

All the squab you can eat.

[ZenSteelDude]

More like pigeon and those silly birds in the windex ads.

[Daquan13]

Also, at least, the tower won't be getting that ugly birdcage design that would have allowed pigeons to have many crapfests up there!!

[ZippyTheChimp]

Pigeons have little reason to perch that high.

It's where their enemies are, and far away from their food source.

[uakoops]

I'd rather the hawks perch up there and feast on the pigeons.

[STR]

Its gonna look like a big mirror. I hope the birds understand the scope of what's going up here.

The birds ran head long into the Twin Towers by the hundreds, and they were far from mirror-finished. So screw them, they'll be stupid regardless of what we build.

[stache]

Charming. :rolleyes:

[ZippyTheChimp]

Most of that was at night.

Some migrating species rest and feed by day, and fly by night to avoid predators. They navigate by the stars, and bright building lights disorient them.

Birds fly into glass and mirrors during the day because they don't see anything there.

[BStyles]

The Jets disappointed me.

I braved the cold this morning and found what appeared to be a consolation prize.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk157/BOJAMforeva/SAM_1228.jpg

Too cold to get them at the usual angles, so these will have to do or now.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk157/BOJAMforeva/SAM_1229.jpg
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[kinggober]

Excellent photos! Glad they've started cladding on the NW corner.

[mariab]

Oooooo good pics BStyles!

[brianac]

One World Trade Center Passes Halfway Mark

January 26, 2011 8:05 AM

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/grounzero_t_110110_420_6.jpg?w=420
Construction of One World Trade Center is seen at Ground Zero from Chopper 880 – New York, NY – Jan 10, 2011 – Photo: Tom Kaminski / WCBS 880

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lamb_feature1.jpg?w=75&h=56&crop=1 Reporting Rich Lamb (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/personality/rich-lamb/)


NEW YORK (WCBS 880) - Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward was beaming as he said great progress is being made on the construction of One World Trade Center (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/gallery/2011/01/10/world-trade-center-construction-update-1102011/).


WCBS 880 reporter Rich Lamb with Chris Ward

“Now, coming down the West Side Highway, coming from the Holland Tunnel, you can see the twin cranes at the top,” Ward told WCBS 880 reporter Rich Lamb. “It’s over the Verizon building. We’re at the 56th story.”

By this fall, he says, it’ll be remarkable.

“Well, when we all gather and the world looks down on that site on the ten year anniversary, they’re gonna see a 85 to 90-story structure.”

Right now, he says we’re a little more than half way.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/01/26/one-world-trade-center-passes-halfway-mark/

[GordonGecko]

Maybe we can all chip in a buck to BStyle's paypal account so he can re-activate his photobucket account

[ZippyTheChimp]

Right now, he says we’re a little more than half way.A little less than half way?

668 feet?

[BStyles]

Maybe we can all chip in a buck to BStyle's paypal account so he can re-activate his photobucket account

Hah! That'd be great, but it was my fault for forgetting to resize those images.

Okay, seriously with all this snow! Is it just me, or is it snowing every other weekend?

[stache]

I can't remember a heavier snow year.

[Daquan13]

The worst winter in 5 years, in terms of bitterly cold temps and the storms themselves, with one coming every week just before a weekend, according to top weather analysts!

[tall]

About 670' to the top of the steel splices.

[ZippyTheChimp]

I can't remember a heavier snow year.Record seasonal snowfall for NYC was 1995-1996, about 76 inches. Over 50 inches so far this season, so there's a chance to break that record.

Over 60 inches only 3 times in the 20th century. NYC average is about 23 inches.

[stache]

Yes. '96 was the really BIG storm, as those of us that lived here at the time will remember. ;)

[ZenSteelDude]

Some areas of New Jersey are well over 70 inches for the seasion, including the 18 last night.

I didn't even try to go to work today, I don't care how good the AWD system is on my truck. (The weather man gets a D- for predicting 8 to 12 inches, 18+ is more like it.)



http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/images_pb/misc/progress.gif

[DMAG]

PA answers your questions about WTC Tower One: http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm

Interesting about the glass waviness and building pressurization. Too cool.

[ZenSteelDude]

And total BS.

[DMAG]

And total BS.

I figured as much. :)

[tall]

And what else is BS.

[GreenwichBoy]

12061

Notice something different tonight @ 1 WTC?

[mariab]

It's not lit up?

[tall]

Power failure? Or do the need to power down for something?

[BStyles]

The PA is conserving energy by equipping the workers with night vision goggles.:p

[STR]

Turns out they're actually stealing power from the WFC, and somebody tripped over the extension cord.

[DarrylStrawberry]

they jacked up the northern crane yesterday.

[GreenwichBoy]

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[ZenSteelDude]

Looks like they are trying to get the 55th-56th floor framed out before the next "four-letter-word" storm.

[Tectonic]

I'd guess these storms storms are really slowing things down.

[ZenSteelDude]

This winter is just nuts! Sure, some storms and snow were expected. After all, this ain't Miami. But a winter like this is beyond reasonable.

On the bright side, it shouldn't slow concrete, that extra strength stuff generates alot of heat as it cures.

[stache]

We're just not used to it here. A retiree at work said when she was a little girl, snow stayed on NYC streets for the entire winter.

[ZenSteelDude]

I was never a little girl in NYC but.

I was a little boy in Michigan. Before the family moved to Jersey. I remember winters when we lived in Morristown, NJ when the snow was very deep. My brother, grandpa and I made a giant snow ball and rolled it down a hill. (to this child of 5 the snowball was 20 feet in diameter, though it was probably about 5 or 6 feet.)

Mind you this was back in the late '60s, and I was very young, great times !!!!!!!!

[Tectonic]

I won't be surprised if it snows just once next winter.

[RKOwens44]

I was never a little girl in NYC but.

I was a little boy in Michigan. Before the family moved to Jersey. I remember winters when we lived in Morristown, NJ when the snow was very deep. My brother, grandpa and I made a giant snow ball and rolled it down a hill. (to this child of 5 the snowball was 20 feet in diameter, though it was probably about 5 or 6 feet.)

Mind you this was back in the late '60s, and I was very young, great times !!!!!!!!

Did you ever visit NYC during the late '60s/early '70s? And if so, did you by any chance ever get to see a couple of particular very tall buildings under construction?

[DaBxx]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2mphfdj.jpg[IMG]http://wirednewyork.com/forum/http://i53.tinypic.com/2mphfdj.jpg
Taken January 31st

[injcsince81]

Dude, I am guessing you did not have time (or a lens) to compose a better shot, but this is just one mess of a picture...

[lofter1]

Nice van though.

[Jake]

^Everything you need to know about the real New York in one shot - we have 1000' skyscrapers and wooden posts with electrical or communications or whatever wires hanging off them.

[injcsince81]

and the Stars and Stripes flying on the right-hand-side. DaBxx, on second thought, this just might be a quintessence of America...

:-)

[ZenSteelDude]

"WTC Site closed due to falling ice" <---- The headlines for Thursday ?!?

I think another 2 feet of snow would not cause as many problems as the ice they are predicting.

[ZenSteelDude]

Did you ever visit NYC during the late '60s/early '70s? And if so, did you by any chance ever get to see a couple of particular very tall buildings under construction?

As a child growing up in Kearny, NJ we watched the Twins going up from the roof of the steeple of my dad's church.

[JSsocal]

note the Jehovah's witnesses headquarters in the right hand side of the picture.

[bigchet]

They really keep that building nice and clean, especially those windows. You will not find cleaner glass any where else in the city.

[Travis]

I see you guys are really getting it again. Well we got about ten feet of snow in December alone and since then it's been almost clear skies every day.

[lofter1]

Photos submitted by folks around town ...

1 WTC VIEW (http://1wtcview.tumblr.com/)

And more compiled by the Tribeca Citizen ...

1WTC Rising Part One (http://tribecacitizen.com/2011/01/31/1wtc-rising/)

1WTC Rising Part Two (http://tribecacitizen.com/2011/01/31/1wtc-rising-part-2/)

[ZenSteelDude]

^^^ Great pics.

But winter is still wasted on NYC.

http://www.nj.com/reporter/index.ssf/2010/01/go_cross_country_skiing_in_som.html

Not to mention all the friendly neighbors.

[RKOwens44]

As a child growing up in Kearny, NJ we watched the Twins going up from the roof of the steeple of my dad's church.

Very cool. I would give anything to have been able to see the Twin Towers going up. I had never even seen them in person though, while they were still up. :(

[lofter1]

Looks like the forms for concrete are going up on the east side of the base ...

12087

And anyone know what all the yellow stuff is out front along the southern side of the base?

12086

[arcman210]

Was wondering the same thing myself... looks like some sort of scaffolding maybe?

[Travis]

Something to help finish the outside of the base?

[STR]

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/517/n165.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8441/n166x.jpg

[DarrylStrawberry]

I love opening up WNY and seeing more of your renderings. great stuff. Is it possible to post a few views from brooklyn? thanks again for all of 'em.


In other news,

Conde Nast's WTC lease down to 'last drafts'

Signing could come as soon as late this month says Douglas Durst; if it and other pending deals are signed, the 1,776-foot tower would be 85% leased.

By Theresa Agovino

The deal for Conde Nast to lease 1 million square feet at One World Trade Center could be signed as early as this month but is more likely to be inked in March, says Douglas Durst, chairman of the Durst Organization, which has an agreement to buy a $100 million stake in the tower at Ground Zero.

“Things are going well,” Mr. Durst said . “”We are getting down to the last drafts of the lease.”

In the meantime, Mr. Durst is heading to China next week to prospect at an economic conference for tenants. So far, the only tenant who has signed a lease for space in the 2.6 million-square-foot tower is China-based Vantone Industrial Co., which is sponsoring the conference that Mr. Durst will be attending. Mr. Durst said Vantone executives told him that among the attendees would be firms interested in leasing space in the tower.

”This is the type of tall tower that will generate interest for Chinese companies,” Mr. Durst said. “It is the kind of building that stands out. It makes a statement.”

Typically, building owners don't make special trips overseas to market their properties. However, there has been international interest in the building for several reasons. At 1,776 feet, One World Trade Center is going to be the city's tallest tower, and it is a symbol of the city's resilience in the aftermath of the September 2001 terror attacks. In addition, the tower is expected to earn a gold Leed rating from the U.S. Green Building Council.

Last year, Tara Stacom, Cushman & Wakefield Inc. vice chairman, and Christopher Ward, the head of the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey, went to Europe to meet prospective tenants. The trip hasn't yielded a tenant, but Ms. Stacom said she is in contact with people she met, and she plans to go back later this year.

“It is an address that is known around the globe,” said Ms. Stacom, who leads the building's leasing team. “International companies are clamoring for information.”

Ms. Stacom said when she heads back overseas, she hopes to have more marketing materials to show than she took the first time. She notes the building still doesn't have an official logo or promotional materials, yet.

Even without materials, the effort has been going very well. Aside from the Conde Nast deal, the Port, which owns the building, and the Dursts are negotiating with two government agencies to take a total of 1 million square feet. If all the deals are signed, the building will be 85% leased.
The deal between the Port and the Dursts should close in the next two months.

Conde Nast's broker, CB Richard Ellis Inc. chief executive officer for the New York Tri-State region Mary Ann Tighe, declined comment.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20110204/REAL_ESTATE/110209927#

[bigchet]

WOW, if this comes to fruition I see no reason to stop at the stump for tower two. Just keep building should be no reason to not fill it.

[GreenwichBoy]

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[stache]

Pretty darn glamorous!

[Travis]

Might it be scaffolding that will be cantilevered?

[STR]

Not to dig up a dead horse here, but I've been able to simulate the glass's distortion effect, complete with the "mirror finish up close, and wave afar" effect. I just needed to add extremely slight bumps and valleys to the surface of the glass.

Note that reflections of 3WTC are distorted, while the notch in the upper right corner reflects the other face of the building perfectly.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5495/n171.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/720/n172a.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5686/n173.jpg

[Nomadd]

I made a bet that STR wouldn't be able to do the distortion accurately.
Thanks a lot for costing me a six pack buddy.

Did this guy study under Gandalf or what?

[ZenSteelDude]

I have a full set of prints for this tower and even I do not bet against STR.

[STR]

I made a bet that STR wouldn't be able to do the distortion accurately.
Thanks a lot for costing me a six pack buddy.

Did this guy study under Gandalf or what?

Entirely self taught, which is why these renders started off pretty lousy looking, but have gotten progressively better as I mess around with the settings one by one. Though, I consulted the materials manual last time I redid everything so I knew what all the little settings did. This time, it wasn't really a new trick that I learned, as this is the same technique one uses to make water surfaces. I just toned it down far enough to match the glazing. It turned out really well, as below you can actually see the window frames of 1WTC get progressively more sqiggly in 7WTC as distance increases, while 1WFC is vastly more messed up than any part of 1WTC.

So who did you lose the bet to?

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7144/n175.jpg

[DKNY617]

February 6th, 2011

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[RoldanTTLB]

So close...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5096/5423807870_20bb06f371_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/5423807870/)

[STR]

I love opening up WNY and seeing more of your renderings. great stuff. Is it possible to post a few views from brooklyn? thanks again for all of 'em.

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[Derek2k3]

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[Derek2k3]

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[Derek2k3]

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[lofter1]

Tall and stout. But not too much so. Looking very good.

[LemSkroob]

Aside from an insane level of costly precision, what will it take before we get glass skin that, from panel to panel, doesn't distort its reflections so much?

[STR]

Aside from an insane level of costly precision, what will it take before we get glass skin that, from panel to panel, doesn't distort its reflections so much?

The glass would have to be ground after the tempering, like a lens. That's hella expensive.

[DKNY617]

February 7th, 2011

(Sorry for the slightly blurred pictures, at night with no tripod it can get tricky! :D)

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy111/DKNY618/IMG_2451.jpg
http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy111/DKNY618/IMG_2450.jpg

[HoveringCheesecake]

^Still better than I do with night shots. Thanks!

[ZenSteelDude]

The glass would have to be ground after the tempering, like a lens. That's hella expensive.

Not to mention the insanely thick glass needed. ( By my rough calculations zero deflection in 150mph wind gusts would require something like 15 inch thick glass. Though that could probably be reduced to less than a foot with some clever lamination.) Zero distortion in normal every day winds say 30 mph would require 5 or 6 inch thick glass, of course it would also have to be ground smooth. As STR said, very expensive.

[BStyles]

And with the incredibly huge price tag on this tower already I think future tenants and sightseers can live with it.

[capitol21]

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/temp_images/1297288593038.jpgthe glass on 1wtc is looking great!

[capitol21]

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/temp_images/1297288931940.jpg1wtc is getting very big!!!

[capitol21]

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[capitol21]

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[capitol21]

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[capitol21]

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[lofter1]

Busy ^

[lofter1]

capitol21 has a slew of interesting looking posts:

Type: Posts; User: capitol21 (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/search.php?searchid=159459)

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/search.php?searchid=159459

[capitol21]

http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef0148c83d2f2d970c-800wiphoto of the week 2/1/11

[capitol21]

http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef0147e1f3d6ea970b-800wiphoto of the week1/25/11

[Daquan13]

Has the tower reached the height of Seven yet?

[capitol21]

1212512124these are from today

[capitol21]

1212712126these are from this evening

[capitol21]

does any body know how high 1wtc will be in december 2011?

[capitol21]

Has the tower reached the height of Seven yet?
what do you mean?

[Daquan13]

Is it now as tall as Seven (7 WTC)?

[whitebeard71]

You can find a lot of answers concerning height here: http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm

[capitol21]

it is just a few floors away from the 7 wtc

[capitol21]

1213112130121291212912128these are from a few months ago

[capitol21]

121361213512135121341213312132a few months ago
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/misc/pencil.png

[Daquan13]

Thanks, guys.

According to a question that was asked on that same subject, and the answer given, the tower's height is expected to reach and surpass 7 WTC's height sometime this month.

[capitol21]

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/temp_images/1297295002284.jpgthis evening

[capitol21]

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/temp_images/1297295213528.jpgthis evening

[Travis]

Did we ever figure out what the yellow stuff was? I see half of it is missing now.

[Daquan13]

The only thing that I can possibly think as to why it is or was there in the first place is maybe to prepare for the installation of the base's facade?
I could be wrong though.

[Jyminee]

There hasn't been any new levels of glass installation in a few weeks--any idea why, and when it will start up again?

[JSsocal]

They have been putting glass in on the northwest corner, which up until now has had NO glass installed on that quadrant. Work appears to be moving steadily there.

[uakoops]

Cranes are jumping today.

[capitol21]

12143121421214112140121391213812137these are from a few months ago

[capitol21]

12150121491214812147121461214512144these are from december

[capitol21]

12157121591215812157121561215512154121531215212151 heres some more

[capitol21]

12169121681216712166121651216412163121621216112160 some of these are recent

[capitol21]

what does everybody think of the photos i put up here?

[scumonkey]

For the most part- too many- repeated- too often in too many posts.

[lofter1]

Honestly -- I thought you were posting like mad to reach a level where some sort of bot intrusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot) could take place.

I'm hardly one to talk :o but 54 posts in a couple of hours, many repeats from thread to thread, raised my antenna.

But your enthusiasm :D is appreciated. Welcome aboard, capitol21. Tell us what brought you here ...

[capitol21]

well i have been keeping up with the world trade center site for a year now i discovered this site a few months ago and i finally got a user name, i love wired new york.com i am glad to be a part of it! i am a bit excited with the posts and i love posting even though i live out of new york.

[stache]

Try to keep each post with five photos each or less. It helps the pages load a lot faster for us.

[Jake]

12183

An hour ago...

[RKOwens44]

Is it now as tall as Seven (7 WTC)?

7WTC is 741 feet tall. After 1WTC rises another 4 floors, it'll be 720 feet tall. When it rises 6 floors from where it is now, it'll be 747 feet tall.

[STR]

^7WTC is 750 feet. The 741 elevation is only to the top of the glass parapet.

[Daquan13]

There have been conflicting theories as to Seven's actual height. The tower has been said to br 750, then 741.

In any case, the height of the tower is not really important to me. Just the fact that One WTC is about to eclipse it in a few short days.

[STR]

There's no conflict. 741 to the perimeter, 750 to the top of the little structure in the middle of the roof.

[tall]

Currently 1 WTC is 666'8" at floor 56 or 670' to the steel splices. The next vertical steel should bring that to 693'6" for floor 58. Or 698' to the splices. Then Floor 60 is 720'4" The splices are 724'. Floor 62 should be at 747'2" or 751'+for the splices on floor 62. If im wrong let me know. This is all based on 13'4" floors and 4' splices.

[Daquan13]

There's no conflict. 741 to the perimeter, 750 to the top of the little structure in the middle of the roof.



Never knew that there was a little projection on the roof, bringing the tower to that height.

[RKOwens44]

You're right, whether it's 741 or 750 makes little difference, with any building it's difficult to say what the height is, because on no building is the roof completely 100% flat. For example...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5zUwiQ2Etlc/SP4-JD-p7QI/AAAAAAAABWo/hjDJFR0HVMM/AP9302260352.jpg

But I don't think it'll be a few days before 1WTC surpasses 7WTC. It still has 6 floors to go, and even at a floor a week it would be 6 weeks, and sadly the pace the last couple months or so has only been about 2 floors a month. But now that NYC finally appears to be coming out of that hellish winter (the 10 day forecast doesn't show snow at all), hopefully they can get back to their normal pace.

[Daquan13]

You're right, whether it's 741 or 750 makes little difference, with any building it's difficult to say what the height is, because on no building is the roof completely 100% flat. For example...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5zUwiQ2Etlc/SP4-JD-p7QI/AAAAAAAABWo/hjDJFR0HVMM/AP9302260352.jpg

But I don't think it'll be a few days before 1WTC surpasses 7WTC. It still has 6 floors to go, and even at a floor a week it would be 6 weeks, and sadly the pace the last couple months or so has only been about 2 floors a month. But now that NYC finally appears to be coming out of that hellish winter (the 10 day forecast doesn't show snow at all), hopefully they can get back to their normal pace.



You might be right, since it appears that that latest onslaught of weekly and seemingly back-to-back wild bunch of snowstorms has really slowed things down with Ground Zero!!

The workers can't really do any skyscraper work in inclement weather due to OSHA safety rules. Sadly, this has put things back a little, but things should start to pick up soon, as spring approaches and the dry warm weather will definitly be a welcome change for everyone!!

Yeah, I remember that slightly upward curve toward the center on the North Tower. Hard to tell if there will be one on the new One WTC because of the planned circle of "lights" and cables which will help support and stablise the spire.

[ZenSteelDude]

Aside from the 1/4" per foot slope for drainage, the roof is flat.

Interesting note about the antenna on the Origonal North Tower.

Someone forgot to test the steel so rather than take a chance they enclosed the lower half and heated it during the winter cause they really didn't know if it would get brittle and snap in cold weather.

[Daquan13]

Would have been disastrous!!

[RKOwens44]

Hah! I never knew that, very interesting. I've been studying the effects of temperature on materials in my civil engineering classes and find real world examples of it fascinating. BTW, I've been wondering why the placement of the steel arches over the PATH mezzanine suddenly stopped about a month ago, but now I think a possible reason may be that it was too cold for them to do it during January since the steel no doubt contracted a good 1 or 2 or 3 inches, which might seem minor but I've heard that the tolerance allowed for steel on other parts of the site is like an eighth of one inch! Might this be the reason (to anyone with any insider knowledge)?

[ZippyTheChimp]

It still has 6 floors to go, and even at a floor a week it would be 6 weeks, and sadly the pace the last couple months or so has only been about 2 floors a month.The last four floors fell behind schedule.

At the end of November, they completed 48 floors. Four weeks later, 52 floors. Floors 53-56 took six weeks.

So with all the snow and bad weather, only two weeks behind.