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Newarkguy
December 6th, 2011, 11:02 PM
NJIT is too close to the crap around Norfolk and the west, the public schools surrounding it and the crap towards Orange Street. Until those areas are fixed the "segregation" is justified. La Salle in Philadelphia is kinda similar. But didn't NJIT have a hand in University Centre on Central? It's not totally removed from the street. university centre is a private development unrelated to, but attracted by NJIT/Rutgers/and any college inthe area. The
only requirement to living there is for one to be a student at ANY college in the metro area.
In fact. A few NYU students live there. The area between central ave and Orange st had been infilled with private multifamily homes. A charter high school is rising on Norfolk st. (Good Norfolk /clifton ave. North of Central avenue, things are looking up. Baxter Park is rising.A mix of pricey and affordable (not low income) apartments with some retail.
Norfolk south of Central avenue is dangerous,thanks to those repulsive savages at the project townhouses directly across from society hill. Even as society hill was rising, vandalism was rampant at the construction site. Appeals to Mayor Sharpe went nowhere. So K hovnanian pulled the plug.
Newarkguy
December 6th, 2011, 11:17 PM
It's funny I have read on the old first ward and the history of the park but I was a quite a bit confused about where the actual river ran through and how it was covered over. Is the river just pushed through the city's storm-water system or something more?It supposedly empties into the Passaic just south of clay street, but its not easily to see. Access is limited with concrete/sand manufacturing plants on both banks of the river. I think its a simple main discharge pipe between the sand mounds along the waters edge. The transformation of Newark from marshy wilderness to concrete reduced the First river to just the surplus water from Branch brook park.
water from surrounding areas once feeding into the first river insted trickle into the sewer system,on to doremus avenue PVS treatment plant.
scrollhectic
December 8th, 2011, 09:41 AM
NJIT is too close to the crap around Norfolk and the west, the public schools surrounding it and the crap towards Orange Street. Until those areas are fixed the "segregation" is justified. La Salle in Philadelphia is kinda similar. But didn't NJIT have a hand in University Centre on Central? It's not totally removed from the street.
I agree with Marv on this one. It's not uncommon for universities to insulate their campuses. I think it helps both in terms of safety and also in fostering school identity, school spirit and a sense of community. I was grateful to have gone to schools (both undergrad and grad) whose campuses were sort of insulated. It really creates a collegiate feel and for me that was important. I wanted to go to a college that felt like a college; not a college in the middle of the city. I appreciated the experience. Its a matter of preference and I think between Rutgers and NJIT, Newark offers both types.
newarkdevil1
December 12th, 2011, 05:45 PM
I agree with Marv on this one. It's not uncommon for universities to insulate their campuses. I think it helps both in terms of safety and also in fostering school identity, school spirit and a sense of community. I was grateful to have gone to schools (both undergrad and grad) whose campuses were sort of insulated. It really creates a collegiate feel and for me that was important. I wanted to go to a college that felt like a college; not a college in the middle of the city. I appreciated the experience. Its a matter of preference and I think between Rutgers and NJIT, Newark offers both types.
Ya I think you can slice that many different ways but the large things are the continued development of MLK to Norfolk which can really result and a much better neighborhood.
66nexus
December 13th, 2011, 10:54 AM
Taking the long view
Zipkin's aims in continuing Newark rebirth is drawing praise from developers
By Andrew Kitchenman (akitchenman@njbiz.com)
http://njbiz.com/storyimage/NJ/20111212/NJBIZ01/111209813/AR/AR-111209813.jpg&maxW=300&maxH=300 Adam Zipkin got a close look at how to break ground in a recession while working under Stefan Pryor.
When he was working as Stefan Pryor's chief of staff, during the depths of the financial crisis that ravaged real estate, Adam Zipkin got an up-close look at how to break ground on projects in Newark, even when it seemed like the sky was falling.
Now, though, a heavier share of the load is falling on Zipkin's shoulders as he takes over as Mayor Cory Booker's deputy mayor for development and director of economic and housing development, replacing Pryor, who left this fall to become Connecticut's education commissioner.
Zipkin said he aims to expand housing development in neighborhoods throughout the city, while continuing to shepherd forward major developments in the downtown area and the port.
"My goals for the department are to really continue to build on the success that we have been having here in Newark, and to continue to use the development boom that we're having to benefit Newark's residents with job opportunities and housing opportunities," said Zipkin, who served as Pryor's chief of staff for the past five years.
Developer Ron Beit has been working with Zipkin since RBH Group, first proposed Teachers Village, a multi-use, education-focused development in downtown Newark.
"With respect to Adam's involvement at the nuts-and-bolts level, it's not just with the economic development, it's the council, planners, engineers — that's Adam's gift," Beit said. "He's forged relationships, and he has a fundamental understanding of the process that enables him to coordinate the process within City Hall."
Beit credited Zipkin with working to relocate Chen School, a daycare center, to Teachers Village by closing a funding gap with a federal community block grant.
"Everything he's done has been to foster economic opportunities in Newark — which necessarily means fostering relationships with the business community," Beit said.
Zipkin said creating job opportunities for city residents is a common thread to his efforts. "We're not just creating economic activity for the sake of creating economic activity, but we're connecting residents to these opportunities," Zipkin said, as the city has required projects receiving tax abatements to give residents the first opportunity to interview for new jobs.
Many of the most prominent developments will be in the downtown, including the Courtyard by Marriott hotel and the mixed-use Teachers Village complex.
Prior to working for Newark, Zipkin worked as a lawyer in the city for nearly 15 years, first as a partner in a general practice law firm, then focusing his own practice on aiding city residents, particularly with housing issues.
He said his general-practice experience gave him baseline knowledge of city issues, while the six years he spent representing tenants instilled a desire to serve all residents.
"I look at all projects through that lens," Zipkin said.
Zipkin said he absorbed much from Pryor's approach to development.
"He taught me that the way to build a neighborhood is to place equal attention to the smallest, human details that affect people's daily lives, as well as to the big, transformative projects," Zipkin said, adding that Pryor didn't let anything slip through the cracks, and treated every resident with respect and kindness.
"My hope is to follow in those footsteps."
Booker said Zipkin is a passionate advocate for the dispossessed and disenfranchised.
"He is a strong team player and team member, and has a strong vision that will continue to lead the transformation" of Newark, Booker said.
Zipkin has worked with Booker before, as both acted as advocates for tenants after Booker moved to the city.
"The mayor is very engaged on our economic development projects, and the mayor and Stefan had a very close working relationship," Zipkin said. "I am building on that, and look forward to working ever more closely with the mayor moving forward."
Those who have worked with Zipkin said he is tireless. He estimates he works 65 to 70 hours a week for Newark, where he has rented an apartment in the Ironbound neighborhood for more than 10 years.
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read the full article here: http://njbiz.com/article/20111212/NJBIZ01/111209813/Taking-the-long-view
liamnwk
December 13th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Has anyone driven through Harrison and seen the new store fronts at the new Harrison apartments by the Path? How come 1180 doesn't have anything like that even though it has more tenants in the building?
Flip side is traffic there is a nightmare at 5:00 PM.
newarkhiphop
December 14th, 2011, 10:08 AM
Has anyone driven through Harrison and seen the new store fronts at the new Harrison apartments by the Path? How come 1180 doesn't have anything like that even though it has more tenants in the building?
Flip side is traffic there is a nightmare at 5:00 PM.
Ive seen that whole complex when i was riding the train to NY very nice, close to a of things
anybody know what the name of those apartments are? or how much there running?
scrollhectic
December 14th, 2011, 11:02 AM
Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 9:54 AM
http://media.nj.com/business_impact/photo/8626667-large.jpgSteve Hockstein/BloombergA bill to be considered by the state Legislature Thursday would allow NJPAC to turn around and sell a parcel of the arts center's site to insurance giant Prudential for a planned office tower.
NEWARK (http://www.nj.com/newark) — Lawmakers are expected to vote Thursday on a complex bill designed to help the New Jersey Performing Arts Center jump-start a mission it has tried to get launched for 20 years: the redevelopment of Newark’s downtown.
Tucked into a bill that expands urban tax credits is an unrelated passage that would transfer ownership of NJPAC’s 12-acre site from the state to the nonprofit arts organization.
If the bill passes, it would allow NJPAC to turn around and sell a parcel of the site to insurance giant Prudential for a planned office tower.
Several lawmakers and NJPAC officials say there is nothing mysterious about the bill. The arts center was designed to be an economic engine for the state’s largest city and the extra land around it was always intended for development. The state signed a 99-year lease with NJPAC in 1996, the year before the $187 million arts center opened.
But no one at Prudential or NJPAC will talk about the transaction between the nonprofit arts center and its largest corporate donor. Prudential has given NJPAC more than $24 million, according to NJPAC spokesman Jeffrey Norman. NJPAC’s 2,750-seat Prudential Hall is named for the company and Prudential’s CEO John Strangfeld is a member of NJPAC’s governing board.
Former Gov. Tom Kean, one of the forces behind the deal, said the original plan called for NJPAC to profit from its success.
"Lincoln Center, which I modeled the idea upon, got no benefit whatsoever out of the tremendous boon that the area around it had within 20 years," Kean said. "I didn’t want to make the mistake I thought they made. I wanted to make sure PAC benefitted. As the PAC prospered, the land could be more valuable, and it would be less dependent on the state."
Kean speculated the land wasn’t transferred outright to the arts center because the project was considered a risk.
"Early in the 90s, PAC’s future was not totally assured," he said. "We had acquired the land, started the project, but it wasn’t 100 percent sure that future governors would back it as needed."
The transfer would bring Prudential one step closer to building a new office tower on a piece of land across the street from NJPAC that is currently used as a parking lot. Last month, the New Jersey Economic Development Authority approved a tax incentive package worth up to $250.8 million over 10 years to help persuade Prudential build at the site.
Despite the EDA’s approval of their Urban Transit Hub Tax Credit application, Prudential officials are mum about their plans.
"We have yet to make a decision," company spokesman Bob DeFillippo said. "We are still in the process of evaluating a number of things."
Asked about the prospective deal, Lawrence P. Goldman, CEO of the arts center’s redevelopment company, declined to be interviewed. Instead, he released a statement that explained how economic changes have made financing private development more difficult.
"We discovered in working with prospective private sector partners that the chain of land ownership needs to be simplified in order for projects to be financeable," Goldman said.
Located near Military Park, NJPAC’s land was acquired by the EDA in the early 1990s through $21.5 million in bond funding. The EDA leased to land to the state, which in turn leases it to the arts center.
Since its opening, NJPAC has attracted more than 5 million people to performances by the world’s top entertainers, including singer Paul Simon, pianist Lang Lang, the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater and great orchestras from around the globe.
By Jarrett Renshaw (jrenshaw@starledger.com) and Peggy McGlone (pmcglone@starledger.com)/The Star-Ledger
JCMAN320
December 14th, 2011, 02:50 PM
So does this mean that the Arts Tower is scrapped for this?
mrl23
December 14th, 2011, 04:30 PM
No, the Prudential Tower is supposed to be at 3 Center Street which is next to the light rail tunnel and Episcopal Diocese Building. The NJPAC residential development is at 2 Center Street next to Robert Treat Hotel. If both are built that would really stimulate other developments around Military Park, especially Cogswell's plans for Military Park West (Haynes Building) which still seems to be on the books since its still on their website.
newarkdevil1
December 14th, 2011, 05:21 PM
Has anyone driven through Harrison and seen the new store fronts at the new Harrison apartments by the Path? How come 1180 doesn't have anything like that even though it has more tenants in the building?
Flip side is traffic there is a nightmare at 5:00 PM.
I think the answer to that is one their developer was pushing retail from the start for this complex and two the street traffic through Harrison to the Path each all goes down one stree and from one side. In Newark it come from multiple angles so you may end up on Ferry st, Market st, Raymound or in the Gateway complex.
newarkdevil1
December 14th, 2011, 05:27 PM
As far as the Pru tower and 2 center st go I think it just comes down to people with dollars wanting to build. If you are a company with money that wants to build, the city & state are going to throw everything they have at you to build it in that corridor.
Newarkguy
December 14th, 2011, 07:17 PM
Ive seen that whole complex when i was riding the train to NY very nice, close to a of things
anybody know what the name of those apartments are? or how much there running?Its called Harrison Commons aka Harrison station.
Newarkguy
December 14th, 2011, 07:30 PM
I drove by Sunday on William st for the first time since ground was broken in September.
The earth was dug out for foundation then. One big square hole typical of construction sites.
WELL.......ITS GONE! The entire site has been filled back in with dirt and pebbles. ITs also been PAVED, that is, flattened with paving rollers. Looks like a gravel parking lot inthe making. :mad::mad:
Does ANYONE know what happened??????????:confused:
JCMAN320
December 14th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Its just a shame that Newark isn't more attractive on it own with all this state help. Newark is severly stunted and should be further along as a thriving a City and is really no where near close at becoming one. The City leaders need to invest in residential Downtown HEAVILY. Newark needs to be strong for the overall success of this region; we need it to be a force to be rekoned with. Newark needs to get its act together it cant happen soon enough!
Newarkguy
December 14th, 2011, 07:37 PM
It seems all they want to do is sustain the low income and ghetto majority for votes. They talk talk talk,but wont allow change because its not their constituency. The ghetto lobby endorses these poverty pimps in return for killing gentrification,keeping whitey out,especially jews and wealthy latinos, basically maintaining the status quo.
arcman210
December 14th, 2011, 11:49 PM
I drove by Sunday on William st for the first time since ground was broken in September.
The earth was dug out for foundation then. One big square hole typical of construction sites.
WELL.......ITS GONE! The entire site has been filled back in with dirt and pebbles. ITs also been PAVED, that is, flattened with paving rollers. Looks like a gravel parking lot inthe making. :mad::mad:
Does ANYONE know what happened??????????:confused:
Slab on grade, perhaps? How deep was the foundation you saw?
tbal
December 14th, 2011, 11:50 PM
About two weeks ago a request for bid was posted on Bid Clerk for the construction of a 25-story condominium tower with an estimated ground breaking in Sept 2012. Has anyone heard anything about a revival of Shaq's plans? His project is the only one that matched the description.
btw - perhaps Teacher's Village will be built the same way Harrison Station was: slab on grade as arcman suggests (so maybe construction is actually continuing).
66nexus
December 15th, 2011, 02:53 AM
Its just a shame that Newark isn't more attractive on it own with all this state help. Newark is severly stunted and should be further along as a thriving a City and is really no where near close at becoming one. The City leaders need to invest in residential Downtown HEAVILY. Newark needs to be strong for the overall success of this region; we need it to be a force to be rekoned with. Newark needs to get its act together it cant happen soon enough!
Both JC and Newark get all kinds of state help, from the EDA on down; so in effect, that statement could be said for almost any larger city in the state.
Newarkguy
December 15th, 2011, 08:55 AM
Slab on grade, perhaps? How deep was the foundation you saw?As deep as 20 feet. I guess they were removing old foundations, perhaps.
newarkdevil1
December 15th, 2011, 10:00 AM
As deep as 20 feet. I guess they were removing old foundations, perhaps.
Ya most of downtown and Ironbound buildings look to avoid buildings due to the water grade and soil issues. I haven't heart of any problems so I would assume the buildings is 4 stories or less and only needs a slab and they just poured their footings (all speculation).
newarkdevil1
December 15th, 2011, 10:01 AM
oh a random pro Newark article in the ledger...seems to of come out of nowhere
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/as_newarks_population_grows_fo.html
arcman210
December 15th, 2011, 10:13 PM
As deep as 20 feet. I guess they were removing old foundations, perhaps.
20 feet seems like a bit much. That would mean two basement levels, which is unlikely for construction of this type... unless there was environmental cleanup. Tank removal maybe.
They would never fill in foundation work like that unless there was reason to do so.
Newarkguy
December 15th, 2011, 11:43 PM
Mayor Jeremiah Healey of Jersey City wants a population recount. He believes a lot af the new residential high rises and immigrants were undercounted, therfore disputes the numbers. He swears to overtake Newark as NJ's laegest city.
Newark's population as of the 2005 census estimate, was 281,000. How can the 2010 growth be less than the estimate?
That's a DECLINE!!
EITHER Blame the housing crisis. Many new homes,as well as older rehab units went to foreclosure in Newark, spoiling the population momentum.
OR.....a massive undercount in the Hispanic community, especially Brazilians,Mexicans, Dominicans and Ecuadorians.
Mayor BOOKER NEEDS TO CALL FOR A RECOUNT ASAP!!!!
And yet he never did call for it!! Its almost 2012,Newark will lose funding if its population isn't adjusted.
Nexis4Jersey
December 16th, 2011, 12:37 AM
There were alot of cities that seemed to be lower then what they really added. The whole census seemed broke and inaccurate...
liamnwk
December 16th, 2011, 07:54 PM
20 feet seems like a bit much. That would mean two basement levels, which is unlikely for construction of this type... unless there was environmental cleanup. Tank removal maybe.
They would never fill in foundation work like that unless there was reason to do so.
The hole was for clean up as there were pipes and cement that was dug out and then the hole was filled a few weeks back.
liamnwk
December 16th, 2011, 07:59 PM
Never be the same: http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2011/dec/15/newark-broad-street/
Newarkguy
December 16th, 2011, 08:02 PM
US census bereau lost 25% of its funding just in time around the 2010 census. Thanks to both Democrats and Republicans. With Obama's approval.
Not enough people perhaps for national urban recounts?
liamnwk
December 20th, 2011, 08:52 PM
Any insiders know what is going on with Richardson's Loft? Its 3 year late (Opening in 2009)
newarkdevil1
December 21st, 2011, 09:10 AM
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/njit_to_spend_80_million_to_co.html
Marv95
December 21st, 2011, 12:02 PM
Any insiders know what is going on with Richardson's Loft? Its 3 year late (Opening in 2009)
According to Mayor Booker on his WBGO show last week it's supposed to be done by this spring. Financing issues delayed the project but now it seems to be fixed.
liamnwk
December 21st, 2011, 12:03 PM
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/njit_to_spend_80_million_to_co.html
Zemin Zhang, a 60-year-old retiree who has lived on James Street for 22 years, said residents are happy to see the students go because fraternity row has been the scene of wild parties. He remembered one Halloween several years ago when the streets were covered in smashed pumpkins.
Just a little behind the scenes history for you folks, Zemin Zhang is the head of the James St. Coalition who has through out the years halted a lot of the development around NJIT/Rutgers
Their site is down but the damage they caused is still around us with blocking the Hanes Griffith redevelopment, choking development of upscale condos around Halsey. The frat house that got burned down wasn't rebuilt due to Zemin's demand as part of the rebuild and he led to the tearing down of the balcony at the tea house as well (though they still didn't have a permit but tearing it down and leaving a empty pit helps nobody)
liamnwk
December 21st, 2011, 12:07 PM
According to Mayor Booker on his WBGO show last week it's supposed to be done by this spring. Financing issues delayed the project but now it seems to be fixed.
Kind of doubtful as the internals are all bare and empty on all floors.
newarkdevil1
December 21st, 2011, 02:37 PM
Zemin Zhang, a 60-year-old retiree who has lived on James Street for 22 years, said residents are happy to see the students go because fraternity row has been the scene of wild parties. He remembered one Halloween several years ago when the streets were covered in smashed pumpkins.
Just a little behind the scenes history for you folks, Zemin Zhang is the head of the James St. Coalition who has through out the years halted a lot of the development around NJIT/Rutgers
Their site is down but the damage they caused is still around us with blocking the Hanes Griffith redevelopment, choking development of upscale condos around Halsey. The frat house that got burned down wasn't rebuilt due to Zemin's demand as part of the rebuild and he led to the tearing down of the balcony at the tea house as well (though they still didn't have a permit but tearing it down and leaving a empty pit helps nobody)
Zhang can't be be blamed entirely for Hanes as part of that was also the problem with deltufo and her gang at the historical commission. Its sort of the old retiree club that causes problems because they vote and complain and have enough free time to be a nag to politicians that like problems to go away. I think Zhang feels entitled to a little suburban hamlet in the middle of downtown which is unrealistic when your neighbor is a hospital and 3 colleges.
newarkdevil1
December 21st, 2011, 02:39 PM
Richardson's is a shame because it was really a beautiful project they were attempting but they weren't really developers rather architects dabling in development. I hope someone infuses capital into the project and makes it happen but who knows.
66nexus
December 21st, 2011, 08:15 PM
Prudential Center joins list of top 10 grossing arenas in the world
Published: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 7:28 PM Updated: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 7:30 PM
By Peggy McGlone/The Star-Ledger (http://connect.nj.com/user/pamcglon/index.html)
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Noah K. Murray/The Star-Ledger. The Prudential Center in Newark has joined Madison Square Garden, the Staples Center in Los Angeles and the O2 Arena in London as being among the top 10 profit-making arenas in the world.
NEWARK (http://www.nj.com/newark)— The Prudential Center in Newark has joined Madison Square Garden, the Staples Center in Los Angeles and the O2 Arena in London as being among the top 10 grossing arenas in the world.
The Rock placed No. 10 on the list compiled by Venues Today, a concert industry publication.
London’s 02 Arena took the top spot for venues with seating capacities of between 15,001 and 30,000. The Staples Center ranked Number 3; Madison Square Garden, Number 4; and Philadelphia’s Wells Fargo Center, Number 7.
The annual year-end lists are based on information provided to Venues Today for the one-year period between Oct. 14, 2010 and Oct. 15, 2011.
MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford was ranked number 3 on the list of venues with capacities greater than 30,000. The new stadium hosted 14 non-football events during the period, attracting 538,575 visitors and grossing $32,599,932. Its capacity is 82,500.
According to the list, the 4-year-old Prudential Center hosted 66 events — not including Nets, Devils and Seton Hall games — that attracted 488,325 spectators and grossed $30.3 million. The arena’s capacity is 19,500.
The Newark site ranked 12th overall last year and 20th the year before that.
The Prudential Center benefited from a busy schedule in the first half of period that included the NCAA East Regional men’s basketball semifinals and finals. Upcoming events include six performances of a Mickey Mouse-themed "Disney on Ice" show from Jan. 12 to Jan. 16 and seven Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey circus shows March 1 to March 4.
"Our success is based on having a world class arena that performers and fans both enjoy, coupled with ease of mass transit," said Robert Sommers, a spokesman for the Prudential Center. "It will only get better as the Rock’s neighborhood continues to grow with terrific restaurants and hotels."
Among other facilities, the O2 Arena in London hosted 172 events in its 20,000-seat space. Total attendance topped 1.7 million, with total revenue reported at $121 million. The Staples Center reported 102 events, with attendance of 740,733. It grossed $60 million.
The Izod Center in East Rutherford did not make the top 20 list.
taken from nj.com
66nexus
December 21st, 2011, 08:21 PM
Above info doesn't include Devils/Nets etc.
liamnwk
December 21st, 2011, 09:08 PM
Zhang can't be be blamed entirely for Hanes as part of that was also the problem with deltufo and her gang at the historical commission. Its sort of the old retiree club that causes problems because they vote and complain and have enough free time to be a nag to politicians that like problems to go away. I think Zhang feels entitled to a little suburban hamlet in the middle of downtown which is unrealistic when your neighbor is a hospital and 3 colleges.
Case in point: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/07/newark_landmarks_commission_se.html
I'm waiting for someone to come through there and find dead homeless or drug addicts as that is the only people that go to visit the jail cell... major waste of real estate for redevelopment.
""All we’re saying is, ‘Save more of the buildings,’" said Robert Hartman of the city’s landmarks commission. " ... sure pay up for the changes landmark commission otherwise you are taking away tax revenue and harming Newark.
Newarkguy
December 22nd, 2011, 02:11 AM
James street residents are mostly old time city employees ,mostly african American, they oppose any redevelopment that may disturb their racial balance. I've lived in Newark my whole life, and seen these people in council meetings talk very racially against whites and "outsiders (any nonblack) moving in! They won't even allow the burnt out vacant lots on James street to be replaced with new structures!! A true ghetto lobby! These people even gave Former Mayor GIBSON hell when he tried rehabilitating 2 abandoned units. He succeeded,but after almost 10 years of fighting. Well, now the Mormons are coming! And that property that could have paid taxes to maintain the neighborhood services instead goes tax exempt! As some say...Karma's a "bee-achhhh!"
Newarkguy
December 22nd, 2011, 02:22 AM
I've explored that jail, believe me, its BEYOND saving. Roofs are parcially collapsing. Giant windows have fallen inward and rest against the cell block platforms. The walls at the stairwells have desintegrated to the point the plaster/drywall dust buried steps cannot be seen nor felt! The main office and adjacent structures collapsed and were later set ablaze.
That place won't last another 15 years.
Newarkguy
December 22nd, 2011, 02:24 AM
:rolleyes:I've explored that jail, believe me, its BEYOND saving. Roofs are parcially collapsing. Giant windows have fallen inward and rest against the cell block platforms. The walls at the stairwells have desintegrated to the point the plaster/drywall dust buried steps cannot be seen nor felt! The main office and adjacent structures collapsed and were later set ablaze.
That place won't last another 15 years.
I've met Del tufo,and eldridge(he's a true snob) they along with the rest of the landmrk commision oppose and stall inner city redevelopment, while living cozy away from it all in their forest Hill mansions along Ballantine PWY! (I know because they hold historic open house tours in forest hill on occasion.)
newarkdevil1
December 26th, 2011, 09:59 AM
I do have to be honest and saying I can understand where the historical society is coming from with the Jail. There are a limited # of truly old (over a century and a half) buildings still standing in Newark and many of them have been taking away buy the colleges which does amount a large trade off. I want to see the area developed but given how many surface parking lots are in the area and how much has been wiped out around there I think we can all appreciate the desire to preserve vs the need to develop. There is a level of charm and uniqueness to the small 3 block stretch of halsey that still has the 3 story brick buildings and I wish there was more of it. I think the historical society was off in the Haynes Gifffen fiasco but I think it's impossible to say there is a perfect measure for any historical society in a city that is trying to be redeveloped.
On another note, I have been watching Riverfront park move along and I see the field is almost set for them to put turf and the two field houses are almost completed as well. Given how long things take to develop just seeing the outline of the park stretching from Chapel to Bridge st is pretty cool and encouraging even if it will take another 10-20 years to fully materialize.
Newarkguy
December 26th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Its sure moving a lot faster than Minish Esplanade across from NJPAC.
Newarkguy
December 26th, 2011, 01:09 PM
Happy Holidays everyone! !!!!!
newarkdevil1
December 29th, 2011, 09:16 AM
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/legislators_approve_njpac_land.html
Nexis4Jersey
December 30th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Some shots of the skyline i took last night...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6601461669_32e24219df_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6601461669/)
DSCN0385 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6601461669/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6601462309_7579903a2c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6601462309/)
DSCN0386 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6601462309/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6601462981_061e10b07b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6601462981/)
DSCN0387 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6601462981/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
66nexus
December 30th, 2011, 07:46 PM
I often forget how pretty the skyline can be, very 'city' like. The first one is an awesome shot (and to think: that's only 1/3 the skyline!) Seems to been have taken in Harrison, good stuff.
Nexis4Jersey
December 31st, 2011, 02:16 AM
I like how colorful and powerful Newark's skyline is compared to Jersey City or Lower Manhattan which is bland...
66nexus
December 31st, 2011, 04:25 PM
Yeah up until about 10 years ago I didn't care for the color in Newark's skyline, but since 744 and 1180 have been lit up I've been loving it.
I like Lower Manhattan's older skyline more (not that I don't like its current one), but even w/ the new WTC I still think I'll like Up/Midtown's cluster more (it's just more colorful to me). I still don't know why Goldman Sachs doesn't put a light scheme on 30 Hudson. That would be all that building needs.
Perhaps I'm biased b/c I LOVE older architecture.
JCMAN320
December 31st, 2011, 06:18 PM
I remember after 9\11 Goldman Sachs reasoning is that they didnt want to stick out and make 30 Hudson an attractive terrorist target.
66nexus
December 31st, 2011, 06:27 PM
I remember after 9\11 Goldman Sachs reasoning is that they didnt want to stick out and make 30 Hudson an attractive terrorist target.
Wow I didn't know that. It's the tallest building in the state so it's definitely gonna stand out lol. They'll eventually be pressured to light it up, as JC's skyline grows it'll just make sense. Of course they light up their other building across the river. *sigh*
newarkdevil1
January 3rd, 2012, 10:39 AM
14667 I am struggling with the images here. I have this on PICASA but the link won't go for me so I find myself uploading it but then the images is tiny...ARGH
Regardless if you squint you can see they opened the base and 2nd floor of the mullberry/market building facing the plaza. I am happy to see they went through with this given I understand it was super expensive.
66nexus
January 3rd, 2012, 04:05 PM
Saw this on the other site and definitely appreciate you posting it here. I was relieved they decided to open that wall to the plaza. I feared they were going to just leave a blank facade and that would've been unfortunate b/c the plaza is heavily used; especially in the summer when you have the outdoor cafe there.
arcman210
January 3rd, 2012, 05:50 PM
The Edison Ale house was originally supposed to provide an outdoor seating area as well (they instead covered the facade with faux brick. Perhaps they'll change this down the road.
Nexis4Jersey
January 5th, 2012, 11:10 PM
So any recent redevelopments proposed for Newark?
Newarkguy
January 6th, 2012, 01:35 AM
The Edison Ale house was originally supposed to provide an outdoor seating area as well (they instead covered the facade with faux brick. Perhaps they'll change this down the road. Yup, its a type of brick version of vinyl siding , only its assembled in large sections over a prior facade.
If Ale decides to face the plaza-and this development on Market may encourage them,.....the faux brick "siding" should come off easy.
I think Market and Broad street will eventually resemble Red Bank, with resaurants and boutiques replacing the seedy sneaker joints ,hair and nail braiding_ chicken shacks and RB (crappy reboxed) electronics retailers.
newarkdevil1
January 8th, 2012, 07:04 PM
Evetually I will label thei building correctly but I noticed they put huge window/doors on the 3rd floor as well so the residential apartments are going to be pretty cool as well. I see the punched back out the windows on the back and right side of the building as well so those are going to be some pretty cool apartments. I am just dying to see some action at the calabash building.
alex@newark
January 8th, 2012, 10:31 PM
http://m.npr.org/story/144873237?url=/2012/01/08/144873237/newark-n-j-seeks-to-revamp-shopping-district
I hope this would bring retails such as urban outfitters H&M and etc but I'm going wayy to the future, would be nice though instead of the retail stores that are occupying downtown now.
66nexus
January 8th, 2012, 10:59 PM
Evetually I will label thei building correctly but I noticed they put huge window/doors on the 3rd floor as well so the residential apartments are going to be pretty cool as well. I see the punched back out the windows on the back and right side of the building as well so those are going to be some pretty cool apartments. I am just dying to see some action at the calabash building.
They aren't working on the Calabash now?
http://m.npr.org/story/144873237?url=/2012/01/08/144873237/newark-n-j-seeks-to-revamp-shopping-district
I hope this would bring retails such as urban outfitters H&M and etc but I'm going wayy to the future, would be nice though instead of the retail stores that are occupying downtown now.
Nice find. I chased your link and found the full article (audio) below:
http://www.wbaa.org/post/newark-nj-seeks-revamp-shopping-district
Nexis4Jersey
January 9th, 2012, 01:13 AM
There replacing the tracks along the Morristown line in the Roseville Cut...
Newarkguy
January 9th, 2012, 01:56 PM
There replacing the tracks along the Morristown line in the Roseville Cut...
Hey! You watching me?!! Lol. I was the lone watchman at roseville station(what's left of it) the week leading to Christmas. My post was directly below Roseville Avenue,where the montclair Boonton line diverges.
Eastbound track 2 has been replaced. We put in all new ties, same plates and rails. The ground is clayish! You stomp and the surrounding sticky orange dirt rises in a spongy muddy manner. The clay mud actually expanded and oozed up between the ties when it rained.
Anyway the ballast is layed and the track is now being "surfaced" (smoothed out for proper profile and superelevation at curves)
When it warms up, we'll start track 3 by the north wall. The last track will be the middle one, Track 1. This will be most difficult and dangerous due to trains passing on both sides!
We are now at Port Morris laying concrete track for the Erie Lackawanna
cutoff.
Newarkguy
January 9th, 2012, 02:16 PM
http://m.npr.org/story/144873237?url=/2012/01/08/144873237/newark-n-j-seeks-to-revamp-shopping-district
I hope this would bring retails such as urban outfitters H&M and etc but I'm going wayy to the future, would be nice though instead of the retail stores that are occupying downtown now.
"It remains to be seen if people will move to a neighborhood where the MAIN items for sale are Ciggaretes out of the box,wigs, discounted children's clothes"!!! Nancy Solomon just HAD TO LIE at the end of this story to bash Newark! Those are NOT the main Items!! Ever heard of the mens clothing stores of Branford Place? Ashley Stewart? Zenas, where women and men can find sexy and hadsome footwear rivaling 5th ave styles? What about the Ferry street corridor just 4 blocks away?? Typical liberal SNOB!! I guess SOLOMON (a jewish name, I bet she's too wealthy for petty discounts!! People condescending like Solomon are the reason jews are unfairly seen as cruel snobs)That's HER way of convincing you that Newark sucks! That's why I don't watch NPR!!! I enjoyed her article until that FINAL paragraph! Oh well, c'est la vie/asi es la vida/such is life
66nexus
January 9th, 2012, 03:36 PM
January 09. 2012 3:00AM
Grapevine: Prudential walks offstage, curing Bayer
By NJBIZ Staff
Prudential walks offstage
A tipster says Prudential Financial Inc.'s plans to move near the New Jersey Performing Arts Center have died, and that an owner of a Gateway property — where Prudential has offices — has filed, or will file, suit to challenge the state incentives Prudential would receive to relocate.
The lawsuit was described as being similar to Hartz Mountain Industries' legal challenge to the Urban Transit Hub tax credits made available to Panasonic to move from Secaucus to Newark. Hartz ultimately dropped its suit.
On Nov. 9, the state Economic Development Authority approved Prudential for tax credits, worth up to $250.8 million, for a new building in Newark.
Prudential was considering several options, including maintaining its current location or investing $368.9 million in a new office and renovations, which would trigger the credits.
The tax credit, which the company would receive over 10 years, depends on whether the company makes the investment and creates 400 new jobs in the state. Plans called for a 600,000-square-foot building, with a 1,600-vehicle parking structure. NJPAC and Prudential reportedly disagreed on the design of the new building.
Doubts have been rising about whether the project would happen, even while legislators were buzzing about the potential benefits to Newark from construction of a new Prudential headquarters, and crafting legislation handing over NJPAC land for the project. Prudential has never been committed to the building, instead saying they are exploring multiple options. That has sparked concern among high-level state business officials, who had been hopeful the major project would be completed, according to another source. Also, a Prudential representative had downplayed the centrality of the project to efforts by the Legislature intended to promote economic development.
Prudential is going through a "thoughtful process" to determine if it should build a new building, and approval of the transit hub tax credits are one factor in that decision, spokesman Bob DeFillippo said Jan. 5. Prudential is "looking at several sites," said DeFillippo, who declined to be more specific. The company is considering traffic, highway access and "what's in the best interests of Prudential and its employees," but any new location will be in Newark, he said.
DeFillippo said Prudential can't comment on or confirm litigation, but "we have tremendous confidence in the thoroughness and integrity of that (EDA approval) process."
taken from njbiz
Newarkguy
January 9th, 2012, 03:50 PM
How about moving into the proposed Liberty Plaza or Westinghouse site adjacent to Newark Broad street Station and I 280?
There's the rail and highway issue solved. Pru can move into liberty tower, and residential high rises can occupy the westinghouse site. They better move fast, because the mormon church has made a continuous retail corridor impossible. Now there the danger that Burnett Street school may need to be replaced, if this ever happens, Westinghouse site will be targeted for a new school, and will disappear from the tax rolls forever(as far as our lifetimes).
Newarkguy
January 9th, 2012, 04:07 PM
One tragedy of Newark's revitalization is that it will be seen not for succeses, but as a case of what NOT to do. While other cities in America converted vacant post industrial areas into private middle/high income dense housing with retail,bringing millions in city taxes to the coffers,.....Newark has done the opposite.
Newark converted dozens of city blocks formerly occupied by hundreds of private tax paying residential properties, into blocks and blocks of Public Townhouses that do NOT pass for true condos! Just drive down Irvine Turner Boulevard. These tiny 2 story boxes do not hold a candle to Society Hill 7niversity Heights 1 or2! Anyway dozens of new blocks are now tax exempt public"low income" housing with NO property taxes, being PUBLIC. This is why Newark, despite the residential rise is in worse financial shape. Mayor James increased the Population through PUBLIC HOUSING and section 8 in central ward bayonne boxes.
66nexus
January 9th, 2012, 09:37 PM
How about moving into the proposed Liberty Plaza or Westinghouse site adjacent to Newark Broad street Station and I 280?
There's the rail and highway issue solved. Pru can move into liberty tower, and residential high rises can occupy the westinghouse site. They better move fast, because the mormon church has made a continuous retail corridor impossible. Now there the danger that Burnett Street school may need to be replaced, if this ever happens, Westinghouse site will be targeted for a new school, and will disappear from the tax rolls forever(as far as our lifetimes).
Yeah IIRC they had two other sites they were considering. I think the NJPac site was the ideal b/c it could've possibly jump-started development there. But wherever they move it'll still be in Newark which is definitely a plus. Prudential's attachment to Newark is by far above and beyond economics.
JCMAN320
January 9th, 2012, 09:52 PM
One tragedy of Newark's revitalization is that it will be seen not for succeses, but as a case of what NOT to do. While other cities in America converted vacant post industrial areas into private middle/high income dense housing with retail,bringing millions in city taxes to the coffers,.....Newark has done the opposite.
Newark converted dozens of city blocks formerly occupied by hundreds of private tax paying residential properties, into blocks and blocks of Public Townhouses that do NOT pass for true condos! Just drive down Irvine Turner Boulevard. These tiny 2 story boxes do not hold a candle to Society Hill 7niversity Heights 1 or2! Anyway dozens of new blocks are now tax exempt public"low income" housing with NO property taxes, being PUBLIC. This is why Newark, despite the residential rise is in worse financial shape. Mayor James increased the Population through PUBLIC HOUSING and section 8 in central ward bayonne boxes.
You are right about that Newarkguy. The Manhattan Institute did an article for it newsletter back in 2006 about Newark possbily beginning to turnaround and with the exception of the Rock and 1180 everything else talked about in it is still in the pipeline now. This one part of the article speaks to exactly what you said.
"EVERY BAD PLANNING IDEA IS ON DISPLAY IN NEWARK
Newark is a living laboratory for nearly every bad planning idea of the 20th century. Urban renewal destroyed whole neighborhoods, replacing low-rise, vernacular residences with public housing projects. Built on superblocks, the projects wiped out the original grid as well as commercial and retail activity. Soaring crime was excused and tolerated. Interstate highways cut the city into pieces, dividing and isolating it. Corporations, most prominently Prudential Insurance, tried to help. But they built fortress-like towers, connected to the train station and each other by skywalks, bypassing the streets entirely and even turning their backs on the waterfront, now walled off by parking garages and hostile structures. What was supposed to have been a major downtown asset, Military Park, was elevated and gated, limiting public access to a few hidden entrances. Meanwhile, surface roads were widened to facilitate fast traffic, making escape to the suburbs easy and efficient. Gradually, stores, restaurants, and cafes closed, leaving only a few discount stores behind.
The only comfort here is that a few even worse ideas were rejected. The previous mayoral administration, for example, had wanted to condemn private property to site a sports arena for the New Jersey Devils adjacent to the train station. This would have permitted fans to enter and leave Newark with the same lack of interest—and spending—as office workers in the towers. An arena is now being built several blocks inland, though the necessary planning decisions to make it work successfully—including a pedestrian bridge—have not been finalized"
http://www.rpa-cui.org/newsletter/archive/200609_crd_newsletter.html
66nexus
January 9th, 2012, 10:52 PM
Ah yes, definitely remember that article. That was waaay pre-recession. A lot of the planned projects
Because it's too old an article there could be no mention of:
-Loft47/Edison Ale
-Hotel Indigo
-Courtyard M.
-Dino's BBQ (on the way)
etc
All built around the arena which wasn't even finished when that article was written. But more housing needs to be built downtown. That stuff on its own wouldn't be enough. The apartments near the arena are a good start, but we can't lose momentum.
As far as the waterfront, the parks are cool but until they REALLY connect downtown with them I don't think it'll really strive as a true waterfront.
Nexis4Jersey
January 9th, 2012, 11:51 PM
Hey! You watching me?!! Lol. I was the lone watchman at roseville station(what's left of it) the week leading to Christmas. My post was directly below Roseville Avenue,where the montclair Boonton line diverges.
Eastbound track 2 has been replaced. We put in all new ties, same plates and rails. The ground is clayish! You stomp and the surrounding sticky orange dirt rises in a spongy muddy manner. The clay mud actually expanded and oozed up between the ties when it rained.
Anyway the ballast is layed and the track is now being "surfaced" (smoothed out for proper profile and superelevation at curves)
When it warms up, we'll start track 3 by the north wall. The last track will be the middle one, Track 1. This will be most difficult and dangerous due to trains passing on both sides!
We are now at Port Morris laying concrete track for the Erie Lackawanna
cutoff.
Ah , whats with the redish clay that lines the cut , can it be found elsewhere in Newark?
Newarkguy
January 10th, 2012, 01:27 AM
Ah , whats with the redish clay that lines the cut , can it be found elsewhere in Newark?
Not that I know of. Its probable deep in the ground with the underground aquifer that feeds nearby Branch brook lake(actually the first river). Water constantly seems to flow upward from the ground.
Newarkguy
January 10th, 2012, 01:37 AM
You are right about that Newarkguy. The Manhattan Institute did an article for it newsletter back in 2006 about Newark possbily beginning to turnaround and with the exception of the Rock and 1180 everything else talked about in it is still in the pipeline now. This one part of the article speaks to exactly what you said.
"EVERY BAD PLANNING IDEA IS ON DISPLAY IN NEWARK
Newark is a living laboratory for nearly every bad planning idea of the 20th century. Urban renewal destroyed whole neighborhoods, replacing low-rise, vernacular residences with public housing projects. Built on superblocks, the projects wiped out the original grid as well as commercial and retail activity. Soaring crime was excused and tolerated. Interstate highways cut the city into pieces, dividing and isolating it. Corporations, most prominently Prudential Insurance, tried to help. But they built fortress-like towers, connected to the train station and each other by skywalks, bypassing the streets entirely and even turning their backs on the waterfront, now walled off by parking garages and hostile structures. What was supposed to have been a major downtown asset, Military Park, was elevated and gated, limiting public access to a few hidden entrances. Meanwhile, surface roads were widened to facilitate fast traffic, making escape to the suburbs easy and efficient. Gradually, stores, restaurants, and cafes closed, leaving only a few discount stores behind.
The only comfort here is that a few even worse ideas were rejected. The previous mayoral administration, for example, had wanted to condemn private property to site a sports arena for the New Jersey Devils adjacent to the train station. This would have permitted fans to enter and leave Newark with the same lack of interest—and spending—as office workers in the towers. An arena is now being built several blocks inland, though the necessary planning decisions to make it work successfully—including a pedestrian bridge—have not been finalized"
http://www.rpa-cui.org/newsletter/archive/200609_crd_newsletter.htmlgood article except for an error.....Newark's wide streets were designed that way by the puritans as far back as 1666. All major cities have wide arteries, or does the reporter consider Newark an overgrown suburb? Its the main reason Newark atracted industry and grew rapidly. No roads were widened to facilitate flight. Reporter made that up!
newarkhiphop
January 10th, 2012, 02:00 PM
14677
These "condos" are going up on 3rd ave & broad street thats towords north newark, there is a complex like this that was actually completed last year it is about two blocks back from this one, they look really nice but are in a bad area, i would like too see these go up in downtown. These are going for $70k-$225k
newarkdevil1
January 10th, 2012, 05:28 PM
14677
These "condos" are going up on 3rd ave & broad street thats towords north newark, there is a complex like this that was actually completed last year it is about two blocks back from this one, they look really nice but are in a bad area, i would like too see these go up in downtown. These are going for $70k-$225k
Affordable housing or not, bottom line is it's next door to a housing project, stinks to see.
scrollhectic
January 10th, 2012, 06:46 PM
"It remains to be seen if people will move to a neighborhood where the MAIN items for sale are Ciggaretes out of the box,wigs, discounted children's clothes"!!! Nancy Solomon just HAD TO LIE at the end of this story to bash Newark! Those are NOT the main Items!! Ever heard of the mens clothing stores of Branford Place? Ashley Stewart? Zenas, where women and men can find sexy and hadsome footwear rivaling 5th ave styles? What about the Ferry street corridor just 4 blocks away?? Typical liberal SNOB!! I guess SOLOMON (a jewish name, I bet she's too wealthy for petty discounts!! People condescending like Solomon are the reason jews are unfairly seen as cruel snobs)That's HER way of convincing you that Newark sucks! That's why I don't watch NPR!!! I enjoyed her article until that FINAL paragraph! Oh well, c'est la vie/asi es la vida/such is life
I listened to the broadcast and can't really understand what she said that was so offensive. I mean, it's not as if she's lying about the type of retail that is downtown. Broad and Market should AT LEAST be like 125th in Harlem or Flatbush Ave in Brooklyn - a mix of discount retailers similar to the ones that are there now and other "urban" retailers mentioned by Alex@Newark , like H&M, American Apparal, Old Navy, etc. A Nike store would be awesome and it would probably do well - I mean, not that long ago, there were TWO Dr. Jay's downtown. C'mon... And I know people cringe at the idea, but I happen to believe two or three big chain restaurants in downtown would be beneficial to the image of the area... an Olive Garden, TGIFridays... God help me if a Maggiano's opened up downtown.
And I've said it before but I'll reiterate, I think McCarter Hywy between 21 and 280 would be perfect for big box retail (Staples, Best Buy - though I hate them, Target, Daffy's, Burlington Coat Factory, etc.) Those type of retail shops appeal to a large enough audience that I really believe both Newark residents and others from outside the city would frequent those stores. *Sigh*, I just don't know what to think anymore about downtown. Monitoring Newark's development is akin to watching the movie Gigli - both are slow and painful
stache
January 10th, 2012, 07:08 PM
Wasn't Target talking about opening in Kearny, or was it Walmart?
JCMAN320
January 10th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Walmart is already in Kearny. Probably a Target. Newark better hope more big box stores dont happen in Harrison and Kearny if they hope to have em on Route 21. It amazes me how Newark has just let its residents leave to go shopping in neighboring towns that have just passed Newark by in terms of rateables. Between Elizabeth with Jersey Gardens and Ikea, JC with all its stores, and Harrison and Kearny getting big box stores, Newark residents will continue to spend a large amount of money outside of Newark unless the city starts to get competitive with new retail.
66nexus
January 10th, 2012, 07:56 PM
I remember one of you guys posted something about there being interest in a Staples in the area scrollhectic mentions.
Newarkguy
January 11th, 2012, 12:04 AM
Walmart is already in Kearny. Probably a Target. Newark better hope more big box stores dont happen in Harrison and Kearny if they hope to have em on Route 21. It amazes me how Newark has just let its residents leave to go shopping in neighboring towns that have just passed Newark by in terms of rateables. Between Elizabeth with Jersey Gardens and Ikea, JC with all its stores, and Harrison and Kearny getting big box stores, Newark residents will continue to spend a large amount of money outside of Newark unless the city starts to get competitive with new retail. I don't know......I think its already too late. Newark is surrounded by malls less than 7 miles in all directions.(westfield shoppingtown at Garden state plaza,Paramus mall,Rt 46 corridor, Target is on RT 3 in Nutley(a Newark suburb)Livingston and willowbrook malls to the west. Newport mall is just east of Newark. Jersey Gardens in the city of Elizabeth.
Aviation plaza in Linden. Woodbridge and Menlo park and on and on.....
Riverbend (ex metrocentre) in Harrison, if it stays true to retail plans....is a real threat to Newark. Burlington Coat factory, Daffy's,H&M ,FYE, Forever21,Aerie,AMC's LOEWS CINEPLEX,COHOES (not to be confused with Kohls), Sacks 5th ave.,basically every major mall retailer in the region has an outlet in Jersey Gardens Mall. Kohls is on the Elizabeth/Linden border 5 minutes further on rt 1&9 south. NONE of these stores will ever be seen in Newark,since most of the Jersey Garden traffic is from Newark,Union county,west Hudson and tourists from the airport.
Im not knocking the mall, I love JG mall/Loews theatres, but I see these stores opening small "satellite" locations in Riverbend and Harrison stop commons, permanently putting Broad street out of play. Money follows money, and Harrison is looking for money residents. Everything built is "luxury".
I believe Ferry street will eventually be the main shopping strip in Newark, as Broad street will gentrify with all those VIM's and DR Jays type stores replaced by arena related retail and restaurants for yuppies. As for the riff raff retailers in downtown? Well, they can join the rest in Irvington!
66nexus
January 11th, 2012, 02:01 AM
Have to agree (no mall in Newark) but I honestly don't think a mall would be the right fit in a city like Newark. In the case of NJ (and really nowhere else I can think of) you can have retail sitting right on top of competing retail and still have it thrive.
I mean, take a look at even the malls Newarkguy mentions. You would think Menlo and Woodbridge mall would hurt each other but they don't. The same could be said for Jersey Gardens and Newport Mall but they don't. Hell, look at Short Hills and Livingston...all these malls are no more than 7 miles apart and they don't cannibalize each other.I think
Newark is an entirely different niche. Any Harrison development would only complement the Ironbound and vice versa (the same way you see the Ironbound even more packed during Red Bull arena events). Broad St. is just too major a corridor (low-end or not) and too close to the arena to just be dismissed.
Nexis4Jersey
January 11th, 2012, 03:07 AM
My Northeastern Megapolis Predictions , yes its not just Newark , all the cities in NJ and the NE.... These Predictions are based off the Urban Living Movement by Generation Y , and the older Generation. Improved Transit & Rail connections to other cities , aswell as Park and Education improvements are also behind some of the numbers. I think by 2025 Newark will be overtaken by Jersey City & Elizabeth will overtake Paterson but not by much. Philadelphia will remain second , but 3rd slot might be changed will DC sliding in. Baltimore Growth will reverse itself mostly thanks to the redevelopment of Downtown and the Waterfront , which has started to stabilize the population. By 2030 ,I think will see all the cities in the Northeast that have lost a decent population chunk since WW2 will regain most if not all of it back.
New York City : 8.1 Million (2010) > 8.6 Million (2030)
Philadelphia : 1.5 Million (2010) > 2.0 Million (2030)
Baltimore : 620,961 (2010 > 650,000 (2030)
Boston : 617,594 (2010) > 670,000 (2030)
Washington DC : 601,723 (2010) > 730,000 (2030)
Virginia Beach : 437,994 (2010) > 520,000 (2030)
Newark : 277,140 (2010) > 310,600 (2030)
Jersey City : 247,597 (2010) > 340,000 (2030)
Norfolk : 242,803 (2010) > 290,000 (2030)
Chesapeake : 222,209 (2010) > 260,000 (2030)
Yonkers : 195,976 (2010) > 210,000 (2030)
Worcester : 181,045 (2010) > 230,000 (2030)
Providence : 178,042 (2010) > 240,000 (2030)
Springfield : 153,060 (2010) > 170,000 (2030)
Paterson : 146,189 (2010) > 155,000 (2030)
Bridgeport : 144,229 (2010) > 170,000 (2030)
Elizabeth : 124,969 (2010) > 160,000 (2030)
Hartford : 124,000 (2010) > 175,000 (2030)
New Haven : 129,000 (2010) > 180,000 (2030)
Allentown : 118,032 (2010) > 150,000 (2030)
Stamford : 117,082 (2010) > 160,000 (2030)
Waterbury : 110,366 (2010) > 120,000 (2030)
Manchester : 109,565 (2010) > 140,000 (2030)
Lowell : 106,519 (2010) > 120,000 (2030)
Cambridge : 105,162 (2010) > 135,000 (2030)
Marv95
January 11th, 2012, 09:23 AM
And I know people cringe at the idea, but I happen to believe two or three big chain restaurants in downtown would be beneficial to the image of the area... an Olive Garden, TGIFridays... God help me if a Maggiano's opened up downtown.
I wouldn't cringe, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if at least one did open up on Broad considering the Marriott being constructed. They ain't gonna allow any low rent place within its facility.
And if they can have 2 Targets within 2 miles of each other in Paramus and Hackensack they can put a Walmart on 21 to compete with Kearny(which is NOT mass transit friendly; at least with 21 you could walk a couple of blocks and be at a bus stop 7 days a week).
66nexus
January 11th, 2012, 11:12 AM
My Northeastern Megapolis Predictions , yes its not just Newark , all the cities in NJ and the NE.... These Predictions are based off the Urban Living Movement by Generation Y , and the older Generation. Improved Transit & Rail connections to other cities , aswell as Park and Education improvements are also behind some of the numbers. I think by 2025 Newark will be overtaken by Jersey City & Elizabeth will overtake Paterson but not by much. Philadelphia will remain second , but 3rd slot might be changed will DC sliding in. Baltimore Growth will reverse itself mostly thanks to the redevelopment of Downtown and the Waterfront , which has started to stabilize the population. By 2030 ,I think will see all the cities in the Northeast that have lost a decent population chunk since WW2 will regain most if not all of it back.
New York City : 8.1 Million (2010) > 8.6 Million (2030)
Philadelphia : 1.5 Million (2010) > 2.0 Million (2030)
Baltimore : 620,961 (2010 > 650,000 (2030)
Boston : 617,594 (2010) > 670,000 (2030)
Washington DC : 601,723 (2010) > 730,000 (2030)
Virginia Beach : 437,994 (2010) > 520,000 (2030)
Newark : 277,140 (2010) > 310,600 (2030)
Jersey City : 247,597 (2010) > 340,000 (2030)
JC would have to gain almost 50k per decade for the next two decades for it to have that high a population in 18 years. If it merged w/ some surrounding Hudson county towns it could be possible. Newark perhaps 300k by then IMO
newarkhiphop
January 11th, 2012, 11:36 AM
3. Newark, N.J.
Violent crime per 1,000 people: 10.29 (21st highest)
Poverty rate: 30.2 percent (10th highest)
Adult population graduated from high school: 69.2 percent (6th lowest)
Credit rating: A3 (negative outlook)
Population: 277,232
Newark has a very high rate of poverty, reaching 30.2 percent in 2010. Its median household income is $32,043 — the ninth lowest among the 100 largest cities. Less than 70 percent of the adult population has a high school diploma or more — the sixth lowest rate. Meanwhile, Newark’s violent crime rate has been increasing. In late November 2010, the city laid off nearly 15 percent of its police force. By May 2011, the annual murder rate had increased a stunning 65 percent. Robberies, burglaries and thefts increased as well.
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/09/9983603-the-best-and-worst-run-cities-in-america
Nexis4Jersey
January 11th, 2012, 11:40 AM
JC would have to gain almost 50k per decade for the next two decades for it to have that high a population in 18 years. If it merged w/ some surrounding Hudson county towns it could be possible. Newark perhaps 300k by then IMO
Anything is possible , i think they need to redo the census it seemed a little low and up by me the numbers seemed very off.
66nexus
January 11th, 2012, 05:25 PM
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Newarkguy
January 11th, 2012, 05:34 PM
Jersey city, by virtue of dense high rise redidential properties, will eventually eclipse Newark. This would provide laughter if said 20 years ago, but Newark's residential areas are nearing "built out" unfortunately its mostly low income townhouses. However, filling university Heights,Downtown along Washington st, Lincoln park coast neighborhood, and the South Broadway area with Dense high rises will keep Newark ahead of JC.
Look at Los Angeles, the city has almost twice the land as NYC. Does LA have 16 million? Is it Americas largest? NOPE. Its only 3 million scattered on single family homes. No dense neighborhoods untill recent decades.
I just can't see how Newark can remain #1 without dense residential development.
66nexus
January 11th, 2012, 05:41 PM
Make no mistake, even though the hotel is only 7 stories, it towers over nearly everything on Broad St. and gives Broad St. that 'hallyway' look.
66nexus
January 11th, 2012, 05:47 PM
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Jersey city, by virtue of dense high rise redidential properties, will eventually eclipse Newark. This would provide laughter if said 20 years ago, but Newark's residential areas are nearing "built out" unfortunately its mostly low income townhouses. However, filling university Heights,Downtown along Washington st, Lincoln park coast neighborhood, and the South Broadway area with Dense high rises will keep Newark ahead of JC.
Look at Los Angeles, the city has almost twice the land as NYC. Does LA have 16 million? Is it Americas largest? NOPE. Its only 3 million scattered on single family homes. No dense neighborhoods untill recent decades.
I just can't see how Newark can remain #1 without dense residential development.
This is true. The only advantage Newark has in that capacity is that it has more 'buildable' land left (and most of that is downtown).
EDIT: I forgot to mention that Newark was nearly half a million at one point, so even though it may not reach the 440k b/c of its current setup, it could still possibly hit 400k in its current configuration. Remember: after the riots (where rows upon rows of residential housing was destroyed) Newark was still nearly 400k.
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January 11th, 2012, 07:41 PM
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newarkdevil1
January 11th, 2012, 08:00 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2012/01/10/newarks-prudential-center-a-key-player-in-newarks-re-branding-efforts/
newarkdevil1
January 12th, 2012, 10:31 AM
Dino BBQ has some great shots of them bringing in the smokers to their buildings well as one structural picture of the inside of Newark on the their facebook site. All you need to do is click on their photos and scroll and during number they have the shots of it being moved in. Very cool stuff. I saved some of the shots on my picasa album if but figured I would show some of the cool ones. Credit to Oats on njdevs for posting the initial picture
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XZ1BSvM9w927erMThKp65ePzLIkVhUQkon3I2FhylPo?feat=d irectlink
newarkdevil1
January 12th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Does anyone else have a problem if they try to post pictures from Picasa? I feel like it's a waste uploading a file here that I already put on Picasa
liamnwk
January 12th, 2012, 07:03 PM
One tragedy of Newark's revitalization is that it will be seen not for succeses, but as a case of what NOT to do. While other cities in America converted vacant post industrial areas into private middle/high income dense housing with retail,bringing millions in city taxes to the coffers,.....Newark has done the opposite.
Newark converted dozens of city blocks formerly occupied by hundreds of private tax paying residential properties, into blocks and blocks of Public Townhouses that do NOT pass for true condos! Just drive down Irvine Turner Boulevard. These tiny 2 story boxes do not hold a candle to Society Hill 7niversity Heights 1 or2! Anyway dozens of new blocks are now tax exempt public"low income" housing with NO property taxes, being PUBLIC. This is why Newark, despite the residential rise is in worse financial shape. Mayor James increased the Population through PUBLIC HOUSING and section 8 in central ward bayonne boxes.
AMEN! Its amazing how fast the mormon church is going up across from the broad st. station.... of course it offers zero tax income to the city... if anything it serves for more tax write off from a PRIME real estate location (RIGHT ACROSS FROM Broad St Station!!!).
liamnwk
January 12th, 2012, 07:09 PM
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pointless in the area that it is as it will eventually house only section 8. Newark needs housing downtown at its core and built out. Ironbound is WAY to congested, instead they should build up hahnes or level it as it is an eye sore and will eventually topple
newarkdevil1
January 13th, 2012, 11:25 AM
AMEN! Its amazing how fast the mormon church is going up across from the broad st. station.... of course it offers zero tax income to the city... if anything it serves for more tax write off from a PRIME real estate location (RIGHT ACROSS FROM Broad St Station!!!).
On the flip side at least it will begin the process of filling in that area and hopefully stabalize it a bit. It's a massive parking lot there, I always wish they could have put the 280 cut off in and really sold it to strip retailers looking to siphon traffic from 280 & 21.
liamnwk
January 13th, 2012, 03:45 PM
On the flip side at least it will begin the process of filling in that area and hopefully stabalize it a bit. It's a massive parking lot there, I always wish they could have put the 280 cut off in and really sold it to strip retailers looking to siphon traffic from 280 & 21.
actually it's not a parking lot it was a giant field right behind the ghetto tire shop
Nexis4Jersey
January 14th, 2012, 07:32 AM
Some sunset skyline shots..
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6694390759_8cfba2ddb0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694390759/)
DSCN0964 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694390759/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/6694391167_576a56f902_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694391167/)
DSCN0965 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694391167/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6694391977_0c18754568_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694391977/)
DSCN0971 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694391977/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6694392877_d40a9d8a63_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694392877/)
DSCN0972 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6694392877/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
Love the maze of tracks at Newark Penn...shame its in poor condition
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6693121047_a6e6610101_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6693121047/)
DSCN0785 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6693121047/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6693121467_fbdb93e1e5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6693121467/)
DSCN0786 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6693121467/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6693121963_feb5900f25_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6693121963/)
DSCN0789 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6693121963/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
Newarkguy
January 14th, 2012, 01:16 PM
actually it's not a parking lot it was a giant field right behind the ghetto tire shop
Easy. That's where I get my tires replaced,LOL. Good people/service. Brazilian and Argentine owners. Thanks to the James street NIMBYSwho oppose even INFILL "brownstones/brick stones"....I think the're safe for now. Heh,heh,:-)
Newarkguy
January 14th, 2012, 01:27 PM
pointless in the area that it is as it will eventually house only section 8. Newark needs housing downtown at its core and built out. Ironbound is WAY to congested, instead they should build up hahnes or level it as it is an eye sore and will eventually topple
The "other" building isn't the same. The other was a joint venture with Bon Jovi to provide community housing for locals with issues readjusting to productive society. It was never meant to be "condos". The new building rising will be private apartments.
I don't see "broadway village " lasting another 20 years,anyway.
Actually, the north Broad st/South Broadway corridor was a residential arm of Downtown Newark. 90% of all structures were 5 story walk ups. Very similar to Brooklyn and the bronx. It was one of 2 areas (the other Lincoln Park) that was as dense as NYC as far as tenements and scattere brownstones. After the riots, most apartment buildings in Newark were abandoned in the central,West, and south wards,as well as the southern end of the north ward after Columbus homes went bad. That's why today Newark is mainly wood frame 2-3 fam homes. Owner occupied homes were spared,bacause rioters targeted apartment buildings owned my suburbanites.
66nexus
January 16th, 2012, 02:43 PM
January 16. 2012 3:00AM
Grapevine: Gottesite for Prudential, full-court press
By NJBIZ Staff
Gottesite for Prudential
Prudential is now focusing on a Gottesman site in Newark for construction of a new headquarters, two sources said, rejecting a different site near NJPAC even though it comes with a quarter-billion-dollar state incentive.
Prudential is reportedly performing design work for the parking lot at Mulberry and Market streets. Gottesman owns several Edison Properties parking lots near Newark Penn Station.
To be approved for $250 million in Urban Transit Hub tax credits — the largest award yet — Prudential had to pick one site in its application to the Economic Development Authority. Prudential, a major funder of NJPAC, wrote that it had "concluded" that the 3 Center St. development near the performing arts center was the best option. After the November approval, no one seemed to question, or even notice, that Prudential kept publicly saying it was investigating more than one site.
Maybe the discrepancy attracted no attention because of Jay Biggins. There is buzz that Biggins — whose company,Biggins, Lacy, Shapiro, was listed on Prudential's application — negotiated some special treatment so the insurer could later change the site, even though the EDA requires one site to be specified. Biggins did not return a call seeking comment. Any attempt to change the location would be unchartered territory for the EDA — the agency would only say the facts of any request by Prudential would determine EDA's actions (http://njbiz.com/article/20120116/NJBIZ01/120119895/-1/top_news/Addressing-confusion-on-$250M-incentive).
taken from njbiz
stache
January 16th, 2012, 06:24 PM
This is a great, logical place for a tower. I'm wondering what would happen to the old tower?
arcman210
January 16th, 2012, 06:50 PM
I was always under the impression that the old tower would still be part of their headquarters and that the new tower was to take the place of their offices in the Gateway Center. Their downtown headquarters takes up three buildings and one of those buildings was to be renovated as part of any new construction.
stache
January 16th, 2012, 07:12 PM
I'm including this interesting link of Newark history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Public_Service_Terminal
Apologies in advance if this has been posted before.
arcman210
January 16th, 2012, 07:43 PM
Very interesting... I knew something like that existed, but didn't know that much. I'm assuming this terminal building was located on what's now the PSEG plaza space?
The entrance to the tunnel still exists on Washington Street, across from the Rutgers Athletic Dome. I'd love to sneak down there but at the same time, would probably also be fearing for my life.
Marv95
January 16th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Correct arcman. The tower on Broad Street is staying put as its corporate headquarters. They're just trying to consolidate their leftovers from the Gateway. Though depending on how high the tower is it won't make up for the entire building obviously.
newarkdevil1
January 16th, 2012, 09:30 PM
I'm including this interesting link of Newark history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Public_Service_Terminal
Apologies in advance if this has been posted before.
Stache you will love this one...
http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/cedarst.html
newarkdevil1
January 16th, 2012, 09:34 PM
didn't know this part though...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Place_(H%26M_station)
stache
January 16th, 2012, 09:58 PM
Thank you for that, devil. I especially liked the maps and diagrams, also the photos. I always wondered why there is a Washington St. stop on the City Subway, so close to Military Park. Imagine being able to take a streetcar all the way to Patterson, and even Trenton! (That must have taken FOREVER!)
Nexis4Jersey
January 16th, 2012, 10:07 PM
I took this from Eagle Rock on Sunday....
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6702632081_1ed5ef1e8a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6702632081/)
DSCN1016 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6702632081/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
newarkdevil1
January 16th, 2012, 10:19 PM
I took this from Eagle Rock on Sunday....
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6702632081_1ed5ef1e8a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6702632081/)
DSCN1016 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6702632081/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
Now imagine that you could have taken the aformentioned street cars to get there...http://www.firstbaptistbloomfield.org/westorange.htm scroll a bit and they have some pretty neat shots.
newarkdevil1
January 16th, 2012, 10:33 PM
what to see some really nifty stuff try this website to see how things were from a birds eye view back all the way to the 30ties http://www.historicaerials.com/
Nexis4Jersey
January 16th, 2012, 11:49 PM
Well one day there might LRT at the base of Eagle Rock....it would be nice if NJT replaced some of its buiset bus lines with High Capacity low floor Streetcars.
lofter1
January 16th, 2012, 11:58 PM
Very cool historical map link ^
Scary to view the area where I grew up and see what it's become :(
66nexus
January 17th, 2012, 12:04 AM
I'm including this interesting link of Newark history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Public_Service_Terminal
Apologies in advance if this has been posted before.
I've always LOVED that building. Love older architecture, even though the newer Park Place building is more prominent.
Newarkguy
January 17th, 2012, 02:24 PM
I'm including this interesting link of Newark history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Public_Service_Terminal
Apologies in advance if this has been posted before.Thanks, Stache. Nice link. Today, the PSEG glass tower occupies the site of the rail ramps. The footprint of the terminal became the sun logo plaza & pool.
Newarkguy
January 17th, 2012, 02:40 PM
Stache you will love this one...
http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/cedarst.html
I went in there with high school friends in the late 90's.
This was before Rutgers fenced it off. Its parallel tracks, steel columns in between. The tracks are paved,because buses also traveled underneath Cedar street. But the rails are above pavement, since trolleys still ran. The tracks expaded to 4 ,then suddenty a wall! (Its the PSEG plaza)The MCCrory's platform is there, but buried in dirt(dumped?). The Kresge(Kmart)platform was intact with kresge singnage and a female form mannequin.
Interestingly, there was a very dusty light bulb still on at Kresges platform(I guess its there for the safety of utility /city workers, It CAN'T be an original bulb still burning!) Its too bad that these photos show piles of trash. That wasn't there then.
liamnwk
January 17th, 2012, 07:26 PM
what to see some really nifty stuff try this website to see how things were from a birds eye view back all the way to the 30ties http://www.historicaerials.com/
Uh... WOW.
I'm forever in your debt as I will be on that site for hours now
This is society hill!: http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=2&lon=-74.1838893217187&lat=40.73956412125917&year=1966
stache
January 18th, 2012, 06:13 AM
I'm on Safari and I just get blank pages for this site. :confused:
Newarkguy
January 18th, 2012, 02:58 PM
Uh... WOW.
I'm forever in your debt as I will be on that site for hours now
This is society hill!: http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=2&lon=-74.1838893217187&lat=40.73956412125917&year=1966l
Look at that beautifull urban density! Newark was TRULY a smaller Brooklyn!!
66nexus
January 18th, 2012, 04:37 PM
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Look at that beautifull urban density! Newark was TRULY a smaller Brooklyn!!
It's nice and dense. But it's weird too b/c it seems while the residential neighborhoods were denser back then, downtown by contrast seems to stop at Mulberry.
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Look at the area around Penn station in the mid 60's, there's practically nothing there. I think that even if the riots didn't happen Newark would've eventually had to go taller b/c Newark's never really had high-rise density (only medium and low-rise).
It looks like downtown was at it's bleakest/emptiest period in the late 70's early 80's. I guess I was too young to appreciate it but I had no idea there were THAT many parking lots.
66nexus
January 18th, 2012, 04:50 PM
Sad how there were literally stores going from downtown all the way up Springfield ave. past even where the Home Depot is now. Society Hill is nice infill but it needs to be bigger (thanks Newark politics).
66nexus
January 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM
Excerpt from njbiz:
-The board also approved increasing the tax credit for the Teachers Village mixed-use project in Newark from $22.1 million to $39.5 million. The $17.4 million increase is due to increased construction costs and lower anticipated rent. It is being built by Ron Beit and other investors.
– The board also approved an extension in the tax credit for Newark Farmers Market LLC. This two-building project has completed one building, but needs more time to demolish an existing building and complete the second building.Koeppe has asked EDA staff members to complete a financial analysis of the transit hub program, examining the amount remaining in funds for the program and the existing demand, according to agency CEO Caren S. Franzini. Results from that analysis should be presented at the Feb. 14 board meeting, she said.
66nexus
January 18th, 2012, 06:17 PM
^That right there is why the city needs more market-rate offerings. Newark's already built-up (mostly), but if there's only low-income (or even mixed-income) then developers/property owners know they won't get much back on rent.
And that's a problem b/c if they know they won't get much in the way of rent, they won't want to build in the first place. Newark needs a bigger middle-class more than it needs a lower crime-rate.
liamnwk
January 18th, 2012, 07:33 PM
^That right there is why the city needs more market-rate offerings. Newark's already built-up (mostly), but if there's only low-income (or even mixed-income) then developers/property owners know they won't get much back on rent.
And that's a problem b/c if they know they won't get much in the way of rent, they won't want to build in the first place. Newark needs a bigger middle-class more than it needs a lower crime-rate.
Not to start up again... but this is a bad thing right? I mean my take away from that statement is that the area is still bad and the teachers aren't going to pay the previous estimated rent prices so the credit was almost doubled?
liamnwk
January 18th, 2012, 07:39 PM
Wow there is the old central jersey trainline going through ironbound up to the where the arena is now
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=1.54511282983023E-05&lat=40.7322819337558&lon=-74.1638801105731&year=1954
Nexis4Jersey
January 18th, 2012, 07:44 PM
Wow there is the old central jersey trainline going through ironbound up to the where the arena is now
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=1.54511282983023E-05&lat=40.7322819337558&lon=-74.1638801105731&year=1954
The ROW on the JC is used for LRT and now its looking like one day the line could be rebuilt along a similar route connecting JC with Newark.
liamnwk
January 18th, 2012, 08:42 PM
The ROW on the JC is used for LRT and now its looking like one day the line could be rebuilt along a similar route connecting JC with Newark.
yeah right
Nexis4Jersey
January 18th, 2012, 08:48 PM
yeah right
The Next extension of the HBLR is to the Bayfront there is some room being made for future expansions over the Hackensack & Passaic Rivers to Newark....which wouldn't be hard considering the ROW is preserved and not used. The line would connect the Industrial Job areas of Newark to Jersey City and Downtown Newark...
newark will rise
January 18th, 2012, 10:24 PM
Does anyone have any current info on teachers village?:)
liamnwk
January 19th, 2012, 08:35 PM
Does anyone have any current info on teachers village?:)
I think it was just posted.. the underestimated the budget and need more funding... physically it just a big open flat dirt lot right now..
Flip side is the hotel is coming along nicely
arcman210
January 19th, 2012, 09:53 PM
There's also a little bit of site work going on at the panasonic site
Newarkguy
January 21st, 2012, 03:04 PM
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The ROW on the JC is used for LRT and now its looking like one day the line could be rebuilt along a similar route connecting JC with Newark.No way. The ROW in Newark is almost all built up with dense residences. It would have to go Under ferry,or over Raymond Boulevard parallel to the Passaic River. Then again,save for those living along Lafayette,Ferry st corridor,it would bypass the bulk of the downneck Ironbound population. A parallel branch along Chesnut street or South street would revitalize the southern Ironbound. Then up along Broad street to Newark Broad street station. Effectively a giand downtown loop.
Newarkguy
January 21st, 2012, 03:09 PM
I think it was just posted.. the underestimated the budget and need more funding... physically it just a big open flat dirt lot right now..
Flip side is the hotel is coming along nicelyfoundation pilings have been driven into the ground.
Nexis4Jersey
January 21st, 2012, 03:58 PM
DNo way. The ROW in Newark is almost all built up with dense residences. It would have to go Under ferry,or over Raymond Boulevard parallel to the Passaic River. Then again,save for those living along Lafayette,Ferry st corridor,it would bypass the bulk of the downneck Ironbound population. A parallel branch along Chesnut street or South street would revitalize the southern Ironbound. Then up along Broad street to Newark Broad street station. Effectively a giand downtown loop.
Well the ROW outside of the Ironbound is preserved , honestly i think a Tunnel under with stops in the Ironbound would be a great idea. Then the line would continue into the basement of Penn station and up to Grove Street. A Tunnel under Ferry street might be to hard as opposed to Raymond....
arcman210
January 21st, 2012, 05:11 PM
While ideal, there will never be funding to dig up that much for a tunnel. The most likely scenario would have to be a street car setup like in Jersey City. It's unlikely any of this actually happens within many of our lifetimes anywho.
Nexis4Jersey
January 21st, 2012, 08:38 PM
Occupy Newark LOL?:D
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6736951907_b82204792b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6736951907/)
DSCN1127 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6736951907/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
arcman210
January 22nd, 2012, 02:36 AM
In all seriousness, "Occupiers" were camped in Military Park for a while. Not sure if they're still there though.
liamnwk
January 22nd, 2012, 07:56 PM
Occupy Newark LOL?:D
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6736951907_b82204792b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6736951907/)
DSCN1127 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6736951907/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
that was stupid
Anyway occupiers are up by Broad and Raymond at Military park
newarkdevil1
January 23rd, 2012, 08:47 PM
not sure about the reactions but I felt like Nexus was just trying to be funny. In all sincerity I see Biera auto sales (the foreground of the pictures) posted they sold their land so I think it's set for the park land to be there.
alex@newark
January 23rd, 2012, 09:55 PM
I think they need more sky scrappers or office towers around the prudential center and instead fix military or washington park up instead of building more parks and,leaving the old more historal ones to just sit there, they all have an advantage.
arcman210
January 23rd, 2012, 10:36 PM
Triangle Park will only increase the potential real estate values for the future adjacent development.
There's plenty of land for private development, too much in fact. Couple that with not nearly enough demand, which is one of the main reasons why the most recent picture in this thread exists.
liamnwk
January 24th, 2012, 06:43 PM
Not directly connected but DiVincenzo has been responsible for the redevelopment of the park outside my house
"On Monday, The Star-Ledger first detailed them, showing how over a four month period last year, DiVincenzo used his campaign account to pay for 110 meals, more than two dozen golf games and an upcoming trip to Puerto Rico."
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/01/newly-released_finance_report.html
liamnwk
January 24th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Triangle Park will only increase the potential real estate values for the future adjacent development.
There's plenty of land for private development, too much in fact. Couple that with not nearly enough demand, which is one of the main reasons why the most recent picture in this thread exists.
They really need that bridge between iron bound to the arena otherwise walking wise it is very unfriendly as I've seen countless times people speed through red lights there
Nexis4Jersey
January 24th, 2012, 10:29 PM
Whats the story one theater sq?
arcman210
January 24th, 2012, 10:38 PM
One Theatre Square is pretty quiet right now. It's a really tough market.
Nexis4Jersey
January 25th, 2012, 12:07 AM
Yet there at least 15 projects going up in NYC....
JCMAN320
January 25th, 2012, 12:18 AM
And about a half dozen in Jersey City.....a few in Harrison.....and Hoboken.....
66nexus
January 25th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Considering there actually are projects going on in Newark makes the whole point moot, those just aren't good comparisons.
Nexis4Jersey
January 25th, 2012, 01:38 AM
Are there any plans for TOD near the Airport stop?
Marv95
January 25th, 2012, 07:56 AM
LOL what major projects are going on in Hoboken?
JCMAN320
January 25th, 2012, 11:31 AM
I didnt say major; I believe there are one or two residential projects happening or maybe going to. Not to mention Hoboken is mostly built out.
Nexis4Jersey
January 25th, 2012, 05:38 PM
There drawing up the plans in Hoboken , but nothing is getting built. Alot of there plans involve taking NJT property and NJT won't let them....
JCMAN320
January 25th, 2012, 06:25 PM
There drawing up the plans in Hoboken , but nothing is getting built. Alot of there plans involve taking NJT property and NJT won't let them....
My bad that must of been what I read.
Nexis4Jersey
January 25th, 2012, 07:41 PM
The Developments in Hoboken would be along the backside and along Observer Highway....the last non developed areas of Hoboken.
liamnwk
January 25th, 2012, 09:04 PM
So whats the story with Richardson's loft? I drove by at 9:50 yesterday and peeked in and the sheetrock for the walls aren't even up yet on any of the floors... my guess is the project is dead.
Now back to my 9:50 timeline, yesterday the devils game just ended and I was watching the hoards of people just jetting out of town either to penn station or to their cars. Newark really needs to build something downtown as there aren't that many place to hang out down town except for the bars in ironbound and the 1 restaurant across the arena which gets so packed that it isn't worth the wait going there.
liamnwk
January 25th, 2012, 09:06 PM
The Developments in Hoboken would be along the backside and along Observer Highway....the last non developed areas of Hoboken.
http://www.vestahoboken.com/home.html :(
66nexus
January 25th, 2012, 09:16 PM
http://newarkpulse.com/articles/Behind-the-Scenes:-Audible.html
Video from newarkpulse of audible's HQ.
Marv95
January 26th, 2012, 09:41 AM
Now back to my 9:50 timeline, yesterday the devils game just ended and I was watching the hoards of people just jetting out of town either to penn station or to their cars. Newark really needs to build something downtown as there aren't that many place to hang out down town except for the bars in ironbound and the 1 restaurant across the arena which gets so packed that it isn't worth the wait going there.
Dude all teams have fans leaving right after the game ends. They don't linger. If they do it's a very small amount. Besides the team lost their 3rd straight and they weren't too happy about it. I wouldn't waste time either.
There are actually 3 restaurants across from the arena on Edison: Loft47. Edison Ale House and BCB&G. Also UberBurger on Lafayette under the garage. Dinosaur BBQ is coming up on Market Street, not to mention the bars just north of it. All are open well into the night.
arcman210
January 26th, 2012, 09:43 AM
^ Very cool. There could be a lot of offices like that in Newark.
arcman210
January 26th, 2012, 09:44 AM
It was also a weeknight....
I go to games at MSG from time to time and always leave as soon as the game ends. It happens everywhere.
newark will rise
January 26th, 2012, 11:33 PM
I think that video was very cool, I also think we will see many offices like this in the near future.:cool:
tbal
January 27th, 2012, 12:40 AM
Speaking of hi-tech offices, does anyone know anything about 101 Market Street? It looks like they are in search of an anchor tenant for this proposed 1 million sf building (which appears to be LEED certified by design):
http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=16866877&SRID=2341785414&StepID=101&LinkCode=20280
66nexus
January 27th, 2012, 01:06 AM
^That's the footprint across from Teacher's Village, don't think anything will happen anytime soon. That listing is old but in your link it appears to be updated.
66nexus
January 27th, 2012, 01:34 AM
What's funny about it is for that building to be built a bunch of low to medium rise buildings to be demolished. Whether or not that's a bad thing is a different story...but I actually do think that area would be better served if those buildings were renovated.
I say that b/c of the impressive renewal going on in the same type of buildings near the arena. It maintains the historic look while still looking new and refreshed. While glass and steel is indeed nice, it does better in areas that aren't built upon yet, or areas that are already cleared IMO
arcman210
January 27th, 2012, 09:46 AM
While some of the buildings in that footprint would be sad to lose (they'd actually be nice architecturally when cleaned up), a tower like that would be a shot in the arm for Market Street.
It'd make a nice location for Prudential's expansion tower... only a couple blocks away from the rest of their offices.
Newarkguy
January 27th, 2012, 01:11 PM
I wish they would build 101 Market over the MBNA/Bank Of America parking deck. Preserve the historic old buildings with the retail. Anyway, I already see the landmarks presevation (& redevelopment blocking)comitee salivating!! I drove by Franklyn elementary on Park avenue,and noticed the beautiful castle like towers and arches on this school. Why does'nt the landmark comittee fight to have these schools designated as Historic? Advocate their conversion to market apartments after their replacements are built.
alex@newark
January 27th, 2012, 07:40 PM
I walked past the old Hahnes&Co. building the past week and it seems like people(construction workers)are in it and sort of renovating it not to sure does anyone have any idea?
newarkdevil1
January 28th, 2012, 08:03 AM
I'm just wondering if it was routine maintenance or surveyors or architects
alex@newark
January 28th, 2012, 09:19 AM
I believe that it was few but they seemed to be throwing away stuff like steel and wood boxes not to sure
66nexus
January 28th, 2012, 07:38 PM
I believe that it was few but they seemed to be throwing away stuff like steel and wood boxes not to sure
Saw this the other day as well and just like you said it does look like they're clearing out the lower-level of that building (I was driving so I couldn't tell if it was a basement or just an underground shaft or whatever)
arcman210
January 28th, 2012, 08:01 PM
Who owns the property again?
66nexus
January 28th, 2012, 10:10 PM
Who owns the property again?
Not sure, I don't think Cogswell owns it anymore b/c they put their properties up for sale (minus 744;1180 I'm not sure about). I also remember reading somewhere awhile back that this site was locked in litigation between the city and Cogswell. That was awhile ago though.
arcman210
January 28th, 2012, 10:55 PM
I thought that was the case too, but Cogswell still lists this property on their website. Though it might just be because they haven't updated it.
If they're cleaning out garbage, it could just be by order of the Fire Department
liamnwk
January 28th, 2012, 11:28 PM
in other words... dead.
arcman210
January 29th, 2012, 01:08 AM
^Not necessarily
stache
January 29th, 2012, 05:24 AM
Eventually something will happen to this building. It's still in good shape.
newarkdevil1
January 29th, 2012, 09:49 AM
Well that listed market project was part of Ron Beits proporties so new may just be being smart and fishing it out there if Prudential is shoping their project. As for Haynes and Cogswells stuff I am sure he will le it sit unless someone throw equity at him to develop it. Regardless I think the area around the arena will see more development in the near term just due to proximity to penn station.
arcman210
January 29th, 2012, 11:17 AM
The Market Street project would really be a catalyst for redevelopment of the old Bamberger's building across the street, and perhaps more idealistically the Proctor's Theatre on the opposite corner.
newarkdevil1
January 29th, 2012, 11:45 AM
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JCMAN320
January 29th, 2012, 11:47 AM
That is awesome how its moving along so quickly.
alex@newark
January 29th, 2012, 09:13 PM
148121481314814
Wheres the second picture from?
arcman210
January 29th, 2012, 11:36 PM
I was wondering where that picture was from too? Looks like a different building.
From what I've heard, Dino BBQ is planning to open in April.
Marv95
January 30th, 2012, 08:34 AM
That second pic is from the Bank Building on Broad/Edison where the Indigo will be located. They're rehabbing the outside too.
Newarkguy
January 30th, 2012, 09:25 PM
I thought that was the case too, but Cogswell still lists this property on their website. Though it might just be because they haven't updated it.
If they're cleaning out garbage, it could just be by order of the Fire DepartmentBerger also has it listed as theirs
alex@newark
February 3rd, 2012, 09:37 PM
Marriott Set to Open Downtown Newark’s First New Hotel in Four Decades
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/marriott-set-to-open-downtown-newark-s-first-new-hotel-in-four-decades.html
arcman210
February 4th, 2012, 12:48 AM
Nothing against the Marriott at all, but I'm surprised the Hotel Indigo doesn't get as much press. It's going to turn out to be a beatiful restoration and is literally a few steps away from the Marriott. Though the Marriott will almost certainly open before Indigo does.
The amount of chain hotels in Newark is about to double.
Nexis4Jersey
February 4th, 2012, 06:44 AM
* My New Newark Predictions in light of the recent developments...
By 2025
-Start of a Urban Renewal wave along Board Street , includes infill and building restorations
-4 New High Rises constructed
-Teachers Village Completed
-Dense Urban Village around Newark Board Street
-New Children's Museum Built
-6 Hotels built
-Rutgers Univ expands there Campus
-A Transit Village is built around Orange street
-The (Beast) Dock Bridges are repainted
By 2030
-Wave of yuppies arrive in the Ironbound & North Ward
-Restoration and development along the Waterfront
-Newark Light Rail system expanded south towards EWR and into the Oranges
-Bus Rapid Transit along Mt. Prospect , Springfield and Bloomfield Ave
-A high rise Building boom starts in the Mid 2020s
Marv95
February 4th, 2012, 08:43 AM
The amount of chain hotels in downtown Newark is about to double.
Fixed. And I guess it doesn't get much press since it's smaller, only involves renovation and isn't much of a name as Marriott.
newarkhiphop
February 4th, 2012, 11:03 AM
NEWARK (http://www.nj.com/newark)
— In an historic reshuffling of the state’s largest school system, Newark Superintendent Cami Anderson Friday will announce a series of districtwide reforms that include closing seven failing schools and increasing charter school accountability.The measures, which also call for an expansion of Newark’s elite magnet school system, are by far the most far-reaching — and potentially controversial — initiatives of Anderson’s eight-month tenure."It’s our responsibility to put kids in schools that put them on a pathway to college," Anderson said, adding that the reforms will foster diversity among students with different socioeconomic backgrounds and levels of achievement."We can’t become a city where struggling students are isolated in some schools," she said.According to a list obtained by The Star-Ledger
and corroborated by three district officials, the schools that will close are: Dayton Street, Martin Luther King, 18th Avenue, Miller Street and Burnet Street elementary schools, and the ninth grade academies at Barringer and West Side high schools.
and them later on in the day
NEWARK (http://www.nj.com/newark)— Newark Superintendent Cami Anderson called the community meeting to lay out her blueprint to restructure schools in the state’s largest district.But less than an hour into her presentation at Rutgers-Newark’s Paul Robeson Center last night, Anderson was all but shouted off the stage by a crowd of more than 1,000 teachers, residents and community leaders who grew increasingly hostile as she tried to explain why she wants to close seven under-achieving schools.In addition to the school closings, Anderson plans to open at least five middle schools, expand access to magnet schools and encourage greater charter school accountability.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/02/newark_superintendent_to_annou.html
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/02/newark_superintendents_early_e.html
newarkdevil1
February 6th, 2012, 09:21 PM
I think the Indigo deal was slower to develop and the developer prefers to stay out of the press. Once the project is close to complete I am sure you will see alot more hype by the hotel operator.
Nexis4Jersey
February 8th, 2012, 12:33 PM
Took a stroll around Downtown Newark last evening...noticed alot of new or refurbished store fronts....
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6840931599_779691b170_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840931599/)
DSCN4953 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840931599/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
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DSCN4952 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840930903/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
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DSCN4951 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840930321/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6840928611_10b52d5bff_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840928611/)
DSCN4947 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840928611/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
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DSCN4943 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840927187/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
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DSCN4941 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840926113/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6840925619_f6efaaee4c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840925619/)
DSCN4940 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840925619/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7016/6840925103_eafe66f5a0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840925103/)
DSCN4938 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6840925103/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
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DSCN1776 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6839444659/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6839444169_401eced875_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6839444169/)
DSCN1774 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6839444169/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6839443755_c3b769ee34_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6839443755/)
DSCN1772 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6839443755/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ucqIyemSU
66nexus
February 8th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Nice shots. Should be a nice and renewed area once it's all said and done. From there hopefully it can expand outward and claim the entirety of downtown.
newarkhiphop
February 9th, 2012, 12:10 PM
NEWARK (http://www.nj.com/newark)
— Elected officials, real estate developers and international investors will gather in the heart of downtown Newark today to break ground on the city’s most ambitious project since the Prudential Center, one Mayor Cory Booker says will transform the entire downtown.Teachers Village is a nearly $150-million mixed-use development that will rise along four blocks of Halsey Street, between the Prudential Center and University Heights. Once completed, the site will have eight buildings, including three charter schools, a daycare center, more than 200 apartments for teachers and 70,000 square feet of street-level retail and restaurant space.The project is largely being built through public financing, and funding for the first building — which includes two schools, a gymnasium and retail — closed last Friday."This is yet another game-changing project for the city of Newark," Booker said, citing the Courtyard by Marriott hotel that is under construction downtown and Panasonic Corp., which will move its North American headquarters to the city next year. "And in a down economy like we’re experiencing globally, Newark is having its greatest economic development period in generations."
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2012/02/newark_to_break_ground_on_long.html
liamnwk
February 9th, 2012, 01:47 PM
Some low lying tent has been put up some time yesterday:
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2012/02/newark_to_break_ground_on_long.html
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http://media.nj.com/business_impact/photo/10538422-large.jpgTony Kurdzuk/The Star-LedgerA view of a section of the new Teachers Village development site under construction on Halsey Street in Newark.
NEWARK (http://www.nj.com/newark) — Elected officials, real estate developers and international investors will gather in the heart of downtown Newark today to break ground on the city’s most ambitious project since the Prudential Center, one Mayor Cory Booker says will transform the entire downtown.
Teachers Village is a nearly $150-million mixed-use development that will rise along four blocks of Halsey Street, between the Prudential Center and University Heights. Once completed, the site will have eight buildings, including three charter schools, a daycare center, more than 200 apartments for teachers and 70,000 square feet of street-level retail and restaurant space.
The project is largely being built through public financing, and funding for the first building — which includes two schools, a gymnasium and retail — closed last Friday.
"This is yet another game-changing project for the city of Newark," Booker said, citing the Courtyard by Marriott hotel that is under construction downtown and Panasonic Corp., which will move its North American headquarters to the city next year. "And in a down economy like we’re experiencing globally, Newark is having its greatest economic development period in generations."
The idea to incorporate teachers came after the developers realized many of the city’s current educators worked long hours and lived far away. By living closer, they would in turn would bring energy and ideas to the area, and possibly attract more business.
The project includes an unlikely cast of characters. Its lead developer, Ron Beit of New York-based RBH Group got his start in Newark nearly two decades ago managing a commercial building in the South Ward while he was in law school. Nicolas Berggruen, an early partner, is an investor with ventures in Europe and Asia and is known as the "homeless billionaire" because he lives in hotels. And world-renowned architect Richard Meier, who was born in Newark, created the project’s overall design.
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"This area has tremendous potential, and this is the first phase to catalyze that neighborhood," Beit said earlier this week. "We have an opportunity to build a community here for the 21st century that will serve as an economic engine for the city for decades to come."
Teachers Village was conceived seven years ago when Newark rose to the top of a list of places to invest in real estate. Beit and several New York colleagues were interested in the city for its development potential and proximity to New York. Since then, everything the group has done has been with an eye toward the vision of Teachers Village. What starts today is part of a master plan that will include 15 million square feet of office buildings, retail, residential units and a hotel spanning 12 blocks.
"We always had a big vision," Beit said. "The vision certainly got a lot larger over time."
The project was awarded nearly $40 million in Urban Transit Hub tax credits from the state Economic Development Authority and allocated $60 million in federal New Markets tax credits for the school portion. Other public financing came from the city of Newark, the state Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, and federal Qualified School Construction Bonds, according to an EDA memo. Private financing came from Goldman Sachs, Prudential Financial Corp., TD Bank and New Jersey Community Capital, Beit said. In the early months of the recession, Beit said, Berggruen’s unwavering commitment to the project — Berggruen said he considers his investment "long-term" — brought everyone else together.
For Meier, who designed the Getty Center in Los Angeles, Teachers Village was as much a personal project as it was professional.
"I’ve always felt my roots were in Newark," he said in an interview. "To be able to in some way contribute in an ongoing way to help to the city grow and change and prosper was important to me."
The project extends for four blocks on both sides of Halsey Street and will rise primarily from surface parking lots, creating 500 construction and permanent jobs. The buildings range from 4 to 6 stories, with one renovated 9-story residential tower. The apartments will be pre-marketed to teachers and were designed with their salaries in mind, with rents ranging from $700 for a studio to $1,400 for two bedrooms.
http://media.nj.com/business_impact/photo/10538453-large.jpgTony Kurdzuk/The Star-LedgerTeachers Village in Newark will rise along four blocks of Halsey Street, between the Prudential Center and University Heights
One restaurant, Booker’s Diner — named not for the mayor but for educator Booker T. Washington — has already signed a lease, and Beit said a grocery store chain has also expressed interest. Retail is what will tie the buildings to the community and draw people to the neighborhood, Beit said.
"The single point we made when doing this master plan was we wanted as many people on the street, because that will ultimately be the success of this project and the long-term sustainability of it," Beit said.
The first building is expected to open in May 2013 and the first residential units could open as soon as September 2013.
The Prudential Center and New Jersey Performing Arts Center have proven people will come to Newark after work and on weekends, and Christian Benedetto, a longtime real estate broker, said Teachers Village will breathe a "24/7 environment" into downtown.
"They have location, location, location, (and) they can draw tens of thousands of people from any side of their building," Benedetto said. "It just further legitimizes the market."
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alex@newark
February 9th, 2012, 09:14 PM
More on the teacher village
http://newarknj.patch.com/articles/teachers-village-groundbreaking-today
Nexis4Jersey
February 10th, 2012, 10:57 AM
Whats this Greek Village i heard that is under construction?
Newarkguy
February 11th, 2012, 11:53 AM
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2012/02/newark_to_break_ground_on_long.html
I recently heard on radio that AMAZON(?) .COM was looking for major space in NJ.
I don't know if Its a warehouse,or Office space. Newark's Cory Booker should jump on this. Maybe someone can tweet him on this? (My twitter won't accept my own password!! :-()
alex@newark
February 11th, 2012, 12:42 PM
Four Star Hotel Topping Out Celebration in Downtown Newark (http://localtalknews.com/newark/community/1109-four-star-hotel-topping-out-celebration-in-downtown-newark.html)FRIDAY, 10 FEBRUARY 2012 21:48 LOCAL TALK NEWS EDITOR
http://localtalknews.com/images/stories/HOTEL_TOPPING_081.jpg (http://localtalknews.com/images/stories/HOTEL_TOPPING_081.jpg)Right in the heart of the city of Newark, Mayor Cory A. Booker, Tucker Development Corporation President Richard Tucker, Councilman Anibal Ramos, Councilman Luis Quintana, Council President Donald Payne, Jr., Deputy Mayor for Economic Development and Brick City Development Corporation Chairman Adam Zipkin, BCDC CEO Lyneir Richardson joined at a topping out ceremony for the new Courtyard by Marriott at the Prudential Center Hotel located at the corner of Broad Street and Lafayette Street in Newark’s Downtown on February 2, 2012. The confidence level seems very high for the developers to come to Newark. For the first time ever, the city of Newark has seen a strong growth of the population.
They raised the American Flag and planted an evergreen branch, which symbolizes good luck and economic prosperity. This will be a mixed use building for the hotel and retail businesses. There will be another announcement of a hotel coming to Newark within a week or two.
Richard Tucker said that the interest of Tucker Development in Newark is so high that they will announce another investment project in a month’s time. Tucker Development Corporation, a leading developer of shopping center and mixed-use properties throughout the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic regions, is developing the project, and will lease and manage the development’s approximately 14,000 square feet of ground-floor retail.
“It’s extremely gratifying to see our vision for downtown Newark becoming a reality, and we are excited to mark this topping out milestone with the individuals who are working every day to see that this great city is delivered a world-class hotel and retail center,” Tucker President and CEO Richard Tucker said. “The project is on track to create 175 construction jobs, many of which are being filled by Newark residents. Investing in the future of Newark has proven to be a wise decision, and we look forward to celebrating a ribbon-cutting later this year.”
“The topping out of the Courtyard by Marriott at the Prudential Center, Newark’s first new downtown hotel in four decades, is literally a new high point in the redevelopment and growth of our City. Visitors have been flocking to the Prudential Center since it opened, and now they’ll have a brand new place to stay the night right next door. People from all over the country will be able to have a complete, on-the-ground Newark experience that will keep them coming back again and again. This project would not have been possible without the dedication and vision of Tucker Development, the State of New Jersey, the Municipal Council, local labor leaders, and my Economic Development team. This hotel not only allows us to show off our City’s vitality, but it amplifies the energy and excitement,” said Mayor Booker. “I’m excited to shop at the retail coming to the ground floor and to recommend that our guests spend the night right downtown. I’m proud that we have Newark natives like Local 825’s Business Agent Lino Santiago and Newark residents including Labor Steward Paul Blanding and Laborer Daniel Jimenez working on this project. They can proudly say they have made a brick and mortar contribution to building a stronger, safer and prouder City.”
Deputy Mayor Zipkin said, “For anyone looking for proof that Newark is on the rise, look no further than the new Courtyard by Marriott at the Prudential Center. The construction crew has topped out the building, but we are only starting to see the many benefits that Newark’s first downtown hotel in 40 years will bring to this City. The Marriott means permanent jobs for our residents and construction jobs for local labor. More visitors will stay the night when coming for events at The Rock, adding vitality to our streets and pumping more dollars into the local economy. With our lofts coming online, new downtown towers in the works, and new hotels, downtown Newark is being transformed in front of our eyes.”
The hotel’s grand opening will be in September of 2012. After the success of Prudential Center, a 4-star hotel will provide wonderful accommodations in the heart of Newark. The Four Star Courtyard Marriott at Newark Liberty International Airport has earned a name for its excellent service to visitors.
“It has been inspiring to watch the brand new Courtyard Marriot’s progress. The City of Newark deserves to be able to have and host the best. I am sure that this hotel, the first in Newark, in 40 years, will provide great accommodations for all that have the opportunity to eat, work, rest and visit,” said Council President Payne, Jr.
“We look forward to having visiting teams as well as sports, family entertainment, and concert fans staying at the Marriott. This is the latest in many exciting projects around Prudential Center. We are happy to be partners with Tucker Development and pleased to see Newark moving forward,” said Devils Arena Entertainment Chairman and Managing Partner Jeff Vanderbeek in a statement.
There will be 50 to 75 full time jobs created by this project. There will be an office tower coming to Newark as stated by the Mayor. Many people, corporations and organizations have been involved to finish this tough task and it was successfully done. The success of the Prudential Center organizing huge concerts and games will attract many visitors to the hotel. Since 2007, “The Rock” (Prudential Center) has attracted 18,000 spectators per night and played an important role in the City’s revitalization.
On Thursday February 9, 2012 there will be construction commencement of the Teacher’s Village. The design, led by world-renowned Newark-born architect Richard Meier, is a mixed-use development that will include three charter schools and a day care center, 205 rental apartments for Newark teachers, and 70,000 square feet of retail that will transform a large portion of the city’s downtown, create jobs, and spur future development.
Economic development has also benefited from the 2007 opening of the Prudential Center, which brought New Jersey Devils hockey, New Jersey Nets basketball, and New York Liberty WNBA basketball to the City’s downtown. It also spurred the development of numerous downtown restaurants and bars as well as the construction of a new Marriott Hotel adjacent to the arena.
alex@newark
February 11th, 2012, 12:45 PM
Cory Booker and Chris Christie: Teachers Should Live in Downtown Newark (http://www.thenation.com/blog/166199/cory-booker-and-chris-christie-teachers-should-live-downtown-newark)
Dana Goldstein (http://www.thenation.com/authors/dana-goldstein) on February 10, 2012 - 5:56pm ET
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future site of the Teachers’ Village development in downtown Newark, New Jersey
Yesterday Newark Mayor Cory Booker, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, and several private developers and investors—including Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein—converged on a vacant lot in Newark’s historic downtown for the groundbreaking of Teachers’ Village.
The mixed-use development, a project six years in the making, will include expanded space for three existing public charter schools and a private pre-school; 200 moderately priced apartments reserved for Newark public, charter, and private school educators; and space for retail establishments, including restaurants and possibly a supermarket. The project’s designer is the Newark-born architect Richard Meier, best known for the Getty Center in Los Angeles and, locally, the all-glass luxury condominium building at 1 Grand Army Plaza (http://www.onprospectpark.com/) in Brooklyn.
The $150 million, eight-building project was largely publically financed, with support from federal, state, and city governments. Its progress is evidence of Booker and Christie’s continuing cooperation, across party lines, on a school reform agenda focused on the expansion of the charter school sector. New Jersey civil rights organizations and teachers’ unions have criticized (http://www.edlawcenter.org/news/archives/other-issues/84.html) the state’s charter schools for serving a lower proportion of special-needs and English-language learner students than traditional public schools, and have cautioned against the risk of neighborhood schools turning into warehouses for the least-advantaged children. Politically, the Teachers’ Village concept could help Booker and Christie neutralize such critics by placing school reform in the broader context of urban revitalization supported by education advocates from across the ideological spectrum.
The project’s lead developer, RBH Group president Ron Beit, said clustering housing for teachers from charter, public, and private schools would encourage “socializing and the exchange of ideas. … It’s like an artists’ enclave or a technology cluster for businesses, but here it’s for teachers.” Rents have been calculated to fit teachers’ budgets, at about $700 for a studio apartment, $1,100 for a one-bedroom, and $1,400 for a two-bedroom.
While those prices may seem like a bargain just twelve miles from New York City, they are actually typical for downtown Newark, which still has many abandoned buildings and few retail options serving middle-class consumers. Teachers are attractive tenants compared to the neighborhood’s current, mostly low-income residents; they are educated and middle-class, and a survey of Newark teachers conducted by RBH Group found enthusiasm for housing options with shorter commute times and proximity to restaurants, movie theaters, bars, museums, and shopping. If developers can lure hundreds of teachers to downtown Newark, there’s reason to believe higher-quality retail options—and with them higher rents and bigger profit margins—will follow.
But given central Newark’s continued struggle to revive, are teachers ready to move to the neighborhood? The RBH Group survey found that currently, just 19 percent of Newark teachers live in the city proper; 29 percent live in the New Jersey suburbs; 19 percent live in New York City; and 10 percent live in Jersey City. As in many American cities, the uneven quality of Newark’s public schools may be keeping teachers from enrolling their own children in the district. The best way to convince Newark teachers and other middle-class professionals to live in the city might be to focus less on building teacher-specific housing and more onoverall school improvement efforts (http://www.thenation.com/article/157279/what-newark-schools-need?page=full) across the city, in both charter and traditional public schools.
Newark is not the first city to experiment with workforce housing for teachers, and to combine such projects with a standards-and-accountability school reform agenda. Baltimore’s Miller Court (http://urbanland.uli.org/Articles/2011/Mar/BertonCenters) includes 40 teacher apartments, 70 percent of which are rented by Teach for America recruits. In Los Angeles, the Glassell Park (http://earlyed.newamerica.net/node/41041)complex combines a district pre-school with affordable housing for teachers and other community members.
Another model is an attempt to increase parents’ involvement with their children’s education by co-locating schools with housing reserved for low-income families. Using a mix of public and philanthropic dollars, theBrooklyn Kindergarten Society (http://www.bksny.org/) runs four full-service children’s centers within public housing projects in the neighborhoods of Crown Heights, Bed-Stuy, and Brownsville. The centers include pre-schools and family support services, and the Society partners with city social service agencies to identify which children living in public housing are most in-need of early academic enrichment.
Of course, this type of project lacks the potential profit-making upsides of market-rate housing for middle-class teachers.
MORE INFO:http://www.newarkpulse.com/articles/Teachers-Village-Groundbreaking.html
Nexis4Jersey
February 11th, 2012, 01:30 PM
Whats all the construction near Newark Board Street?
Newarkguy
February 11th, 2012, 01:57 PM
Whats this Greek Village i heard that is under construction?
Something I hope never happens. Right now the frats are located along High Street aka Martin Luther King Boulevard. Although parties can spill out to the streets, it gives Newark(and the students) an enviroment of studying and living in downtown Newark. NYU in NYC has similar enviroment....If this Greek village thing happens, they will move out of the brownstone(brick) homes, into a gated cookie cutter complex between Warren street and Raymond Boulevard. Interaction between the students and any decent Newarkers of the james street area will be cut permanently. While there at it, NJIT can build skywalks between its schools. That way they can NEVER touch newark soil. ITS NOT THE 70s and 80s anymore.
If crime is an issue, DEVELOP the dozens of weed choked parking lots NJIT owns west of campus.
Build an upscale community along Newark Avenue, with Norfolk station as the center point.
Central avenue and Newark ave can be retail strips along the sidewalk.( Think Carrilon / LIVINGSTON TOWN CENTER)
Building cookie cutters that look like fancy 3 story bayonne boxes behing a huge 8 story building is not a "village". Much less a "greek".
Try google images,......type NJIT/greek village/Newark.
JCMAN320
February 11th, 2012, 02:26 PM
I'll be suprised if these units sell. Obviously teachers want no business of living in Newark otherwise they would already be living there.
alex@newark
February 11th, 2012, 02:27 PM
Something I hope never happens. Right now the frats are located along High Street aka Martin Luther King Boulevard. Although parties can spill out to the streets, it gives Newark(and the students) an enviroment of studying and living in downtown Newark. NYU in NYC has similar enviroment....If this Greek village thing happens, they will move out of the brownstone(brick) homes, into a gated cookie cutter complex between Warren street and Raymond Boulevard. Interaction between the students and any decent Newarkers of the james street area will be cut permanently. While there at it, NJIT can build skywalks between its schools. That way they can NEVER touch newark soil. ITS NOT THE 70s and 80s anymore.
If crime is an issue, DEVELOP the dozens of weed choked parking lots NJIT owns west of campus.
Build an upscale community along Newark Avenue, with Norfolk station as the center point.
Central avenue and Newark ave can be retail strips along the sidewalk.( Think Carrilon / LIVINGSTON TOWN CENTER)
Building cookie cutters that look like fancy 3 story bayonne boxes behing a huge 8 story building is not a "village". Much less a "greek".
Try google images,......type NJIT/greek village/Newark.
I always thought that the greek village should have been like fixing up the brown stones maybe add some more along MLK and fix across the street for example these ideas that they had before i dont like the idea they have now either it sucks. http://gateway.njit.edu/images/stmichaels-800x522.jpghttp://greekvillage.njit.edu/images/gateway.jpg
Nexis4Jersey
February 11th, 2012, 02:45 PM
What about an ART village? New York has become very expensive for most artists are now there starting to move into Jersey City , and Newark should create an ART Village...
ASchwarz
February 11th, 2012, 02:54 PM
I'll be suprised if these units sell. Obviously teachers want no business of living in Newark otherwise they would already be living there.
You don't know whether or not teachers live in Newark, and Teachers Village isn't analagous to anything currently offered in Newark.
I would guess that plenty of teachers live in Newark. They're probably downtown, in Forest Hill, the Ironbound, the North Side, and a few parts bordering Seton Hall.
Given that there's a movement of educated folks from suburbs to urban areas, there's no reason to think that teachers can't be attracted to Newark. Look what's happend to Brooklyn, JC, Hoboken, Harlem. etc. over the last few years.
arcman210
February 11th, 2012, 03:35 PM
What about an ART village? New York has become very expensive for most artists are now there starting to move into Jersey City , and Newark should create an ART Village...
Halsey Street is already starting to become an art village. It's happening on its own and isn't very well known about just yet.
alex@newark
February 11th, 2012, 04:09 PM
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The University of Medicine & Dentistry of New Jersey in Newark in a 2005 file photo.
By Samuel A. Delgado
With 60,000 students and faculty at six colleges and universities, Newark has the fifth-highest concentration of higher education on the East Coast, after Boston, New York City, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.
Yet most people in America — let alone New Jersey, and maybe even in Newark — don’t think of the city as a “college town.” In fact, Newark was recently named in the top 10 least desirable college towns in America by the Princeton Review.
With Gov. Chris Christie proposing major changes for University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey and new leadership at Rutgers University-Newark, Essex County College and New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark has the historic opportunity to rethink how these institutions of higher education can enhance the quality of life for Newark residents and how the city can make life better for college students.
Most importantly, city planners must encourage the development of an identifiable “college center,” with enough student, faculty and retail density to support economic activity at all times of the day and night.
It’s no secret to what makes a great college town. Anyone who has spent time in Chapel Hill, N.C.; Austin, Texas; or Boston knows: It’s a concentrated mix of bookstores, coffee shops, bars, theaters, restaurants with outdoor seating, galleries, quirky retail shops alongside national retailers and plenty of affordable housing for students, professors and recent graduates.
With the recent burst in construction, Newark’s universities off Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and the Central Ward are increasingly becoming residential campuses, as more students want the experience of living and studying in a big city.
Rutgers has plans to convert its former law school, at 15 Washington St., into apartments with room for 350 students and visiting faculty. The university also has plans to build undergraduate student housing for 400 students behind that property.
The New Jersey Institute of Technology also has a proposal to build $66 million worth of student housing that will house 600 students. The plan includes a complex of dorms known as Greek Village and a six-story residential honors college.
Even the Newark Housing Authority is getting into the game. In what was once Baxter Terrace, one of the city’s most notorious housing projects, the authority is building a complex with 400 units, steps from NJIT, to be open to graduate students.
Combined with the existing dorms, the additional housing will create a critical mass capable of sustaining businesses, restaurants, offices and institutions geared toward the student population.
Newark’s master plan recognizes the universities as an opportunity for the city to reinvent itself. It notes that the colleges and universities “serve as magnets for young people that have the potential of animating the city’s street life.” But the plan fails to outline any strategy between the city and the colleges to create that identifiable “college center” with a soul.
Now is the time to bring all stakeholders to the table and create a collaborative plan to build the kind of neighborhood that could one day earn Newark recognition as one of American’s top college towns.
The city’s master plan lays out several streets in the University Heights neighborhood that could connect the institutions to the greater community, including Halsey Street, Washington Street, University Avenue and Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.
Halsey Street already has several bars and restaurants, a coffee shop and a few funky retailers — all of which serve as a magnet for both students and workers from surrounding businesses. But the street suffers from blighted sites, vast parking lots and boarded-up, decaying buildings that once housed thriving retailers.
Washington Street and University Avenue have the advantage of leading straight to the Broad Street Station, a tremendous link to Manhattan, while MLK Boulevard bisects NJIT, Rutgers and Essex County College.
Whatever streets are chosen for “college-oriented” development is less important than achieving general consensus among the stakeholders that the time to act is now.
Otherwise, Brick City will have squandered a golden opportunity to be a great college town.
66nexus
February 11th, 2012, 10:00 PM
I've been thinking, and in all honesty, Newark doesn't need grandiose master plans to become a 'college town'. It's real simple, development must happen along Halsey (University Heights corridor) and Central ave. to connect it to Military Park and Broad St.
There isn't really anything 'big city' about University Heights other than the fact that you can see the Newark skyline up close. Without anything that connects University Heights to Military Park what's the use?
I would (as Cogswell was 'going' to) build dorms/college apartments right ON Broad St. in front of Military Park and have that building run the length of New St.; thus creating a retail corridor from the Park to Halsey Village. The same should happen for the Hahnes Building, also creating a retail/coffee shop corridor connecting the Park to Halsey Village.
There's already free wifi in Military Park so a couple of stores along Broad would only add to the effect.
alex@newark
February 14th, 2012, 04:47 PM
February 14. 2012 2:04PM
With demand strong, EDA shelves residential Urban Transit Hub applications
By Joshua Burd (jburd@njbiz.com)
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The EDA tax credit is one of several state and federal financing tools helping to fund the mixed-income, affordable rental housing project, Franzini told the board.
The board also took action on several other items, including a preliminary approval of a Redevelopment Area Bond for a mixed-use project in downtown Newark. The project, byTucker Development Corp., is called Springfield Avenue Marketplace; it calls for an 11.6-acre development that includes retail space and an apartment complex.
Also approved was a $5.6 million Economic Redevelopment and Growth grant for MSST Fidelco Properties LLC. The applicant, which is a partnership of developer Marc E. Berson and Hanini Group, has proposed a $34.2 million project that calls for renovating a string of aging properties around Market Street, in Newark, into new residential and commercial space.
Correction: A previous version of this story listed an incorrect amount for a bond awarded to Tucker.
More on their website http://www.njbiz.com/article/20120214/NJBIZ01/120219903/With-demand-strong-EDA-shelves-residential-Urban-Transit-Hub-applications
66nexus
February 14th, 2012, 06:31 PM
February 14. 2012 2:04PM
With demand strong, EDA shelves residential Urban Transit Hub applications
By Joshua Burd (jburd@njbiz.com)
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The EDA tax credit is one of several state and federal financing tools helping to fund the mixed-income, affordable rental housing project, Franzini told the board.
The board also took action on several other items, including a preliminary approval of a Redevelopment Area Bond for a mixed-use project in downtown Newark. The project, byTucker Development Corp., is called Springfield Avenue Marketplace; it calls for an 11.6-acre development that includes retail space and an apartment complex.
Also approved was a $5.6 million Economic Redevelopment and Growth grant for MSST Fidelco Properties LLC. The applicant, which is a partnership of developer Marc E. Berson and Hanini Group, has proposed a $34.2 million project that calls for renovating a string of aging properties around Market Street, in Newark, into new residential and commercial space.
Correction: A previous version of this story listed an incorrect amount for a bond awarded to Tucker.
More on their website http://www.njbiz.com/article/20120214/NJBIZ01/120219903/With-demand-strong-EDA-shelves-residential-Urban-Transit-Hub-applications
That last paragraph's got me curious as to what specific properties on Market St. they're talking about.
Marv95
February 14th, 2012, 06:40 PM
That last paragraph's got me curious as to what specific properties on Market St. they're talking about.
Must be the buildings between Broad and Mulberry, probably on the arena side since there are abandoned properties on that side. Hanni has gotten involved with Edison Place and the Indigo so it makes sense for them to work on Market next.
66nexus
February 14th, 2012, 07:46 PM
Must be the buildings between Broad and Mulberry, probably on the arena side since there are abandoned properties on that side. Hanni has gotten involved with Edison Place and the Indigo so it makes sense for them to work on Market next.
True, just wondering which ones in particular; I think it'll be better if they're closer to Dino's rather than closer to Broad/Market. Area around arena seems more 'reclaimed' lol.
alex@newark
February 14th, 2012, 09:53 PM
True, just wondering which ones in particular; I think it'll be better if they're closer to Dino's rather than closer to Broad/Market. Area around arena seems more 'reclaimed' lol.
I woukd love to see them fix the paramount theater and the two huge buildings on broad street but then again market can become so nice but I would love to see what they do with that 34.2 million
66nexus
February 15th, 2012, 01:13 AM
I woukd love to see them fix the paramount theater and the two huge buildings on broad street but then again market can become so nice but I would love to see what they do with that 34.2 million
Yeah I wish the dude that owned it could garner the monies to redevelopment it. Only problem is there isn't really much else in the area to anchor. There's a sole development right next to it but not much else.
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Teacher's Village Master Plan/renderings:
http://www.summitrealtyllc.com/prop_det_TeachersVillage.html
Ninjahedge
February 15th, 2012, 01:38 PM
A teacher's village would only work if it is:
a) A decent place to live. Period.
b) Cheap for any working teacher in the Newark area
c) Close to or including facilities to help low-income starting teachers (things like computer labs or copy centers).
scrollhectic
February 15th, 2012, 03:11 PM
A teacher's village would only work if it is:...
Wow Ninja, over 11,000 posts!
66nexus
February 15th, 2012, 04:40 PM
A teacher's village would only work if it is:
a) A decent place to live. Period.
b) Cheap for any working teacher in the Newark area
c) Close to or including facilities to help low-income starting teachers (things like computer labs or copy centers).
The one being built in Newark now does seem to include all of the above.
66nexus
February 15th, 2012, 05:56 PM
Rutgers to move forward with $71M Newark high-rise renovation
Published: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 2:39 PM Updated: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 3:53 PM
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Tim Farrell/The Star-Ledger Rutgers University's governing board is moving forward with a $71 million project to convert the 1920s high-rise into apartment-style housing for 350 graduate students on the Newark campus.
NEWARK (http://www.nj.com/newark) — A long-vacant 1920s high-rise in Newark with a marbled lobby and sweeping views of the city is expected to be converted into apartment-style housing for 350 Rutgers University graduate students.
The university’s board of governors today unanimously approved the $71 million renovation plan to turn the building at 15 Washington St. into a mixed-used residential complex containing furnished studios and one- to four-bedroom units. The 17-story building, located on the northern end of campus, previously housed the law school.
"It will be an investment by Rutgers University in a historic building in the city center of Newark, bringing back a building to life that has been basically mothballed for a decade," said the campus’s interim chancellor, Philip L. Yeagle.
The plan, which has been in the works for about six years, would meet a growing demand for on-campus housing. Overall enrollment at Rutgers-Newark has increased by about 2 percent annually over the past decade, Yeagle said. Just under 200 of the 4,300 graduate students live on campus, mostly in undergraduate dorms.
"They would probably like to cluster with people who are their own age," Yeagle said.
http://media.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/photo/10565261-large.jpgTim Farrell/The Star-Ledger The plan has been in the works for seven years. The 17-story building, which previously housed the law school, has been vacant for 12 years.
The neo-classical revival building, constructed in 1929, features a seven-story wing and a hall with a 20-foot ceiling and windows about 15 feet high.
The apartments would be located on floors two through 17. Officials plan to use the first floor and part of the second floor for a welcome center and admissions office, an auditorium, and a college store and cafe.
The project includes a 24-hour security/service desk, laundry facilities, an ATM, one or more computer labs and television lounges, a vending area and an exercise room.
The building is about one block south of the Broad Street train station, giving students quick access to public transportation. It is just south of the Rutgers Business School’s new location at One Washington Park and three blocks north of the law school.
Officials are required to conform to historic preservation standards during the renovation, since the building is located in the James Street Commons Historic District.
The university plans to issue bonds to finance the project, payable through student housing and capital improvement fees. Officials said some of the cost will be offset by tax credits and grants.
The renovation is scheduled to begin in October next year. It is expected to be completed in time for students to move in during the fall of 2015.
taken from nj.com
alex@newark
February 15th, 2012, 06:07 PM
Last Updated: February 15, 2012 12:00pm ET
NJ EDA Approves Reimbursement for Newark Redevelopment
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NEWARK-The New Jersey Economic Development Authority has approved $5.4 million in reimbursement funds for Fidelco Realty Group’s $35 million redevelopment of seven buildings on Market Street between Mulberry and Broad Streets.Six buildings from 210 to 226 Market Street (except for 214 Market) and 191 Market Street are being converted into residential buildings with ground-floor restaurants and retail to turn the area into a 24/7 district, says Fidelco chairman Marc E. Berson. “This will be a transformative project to the area,” Berson tells GlobeSt.com.The development of the Prudential Center did not include any committed development on the surrounding streets, he notes. Over the last five years, Fidelco has gained control over several historic buildings, closing on 218 just in the past week. The interiors will be gutted, with plans calling for 70 to 80 affordable residential units above restaurants and a planned but unsigned grocer. Dinosaur Bar-B-Que has signed a lease for 218 Market Street. The Newark Downtown District has signed for a location at 191 Market.“We’re talking to other tenants like pizza [restaurants],” Berson says. “We’ve tried to stay away from the bar business. We expect to have a food market to serve the community.”The construction is being done all at once, though 191, across the street from the rest of the project, essentially is done. The redevelopment should be done in 18 months, Berson says.Additional financing includes a “very substantial” equity investment from Fidelco, Berson says, historic tax credits and anticipated New Market Tax Credits from the Federal government.This project is one of several in the general area, including Tucker Development Corp.’s construction of a Courtyard by Marriott (http://www.globest.com/news/12_278/newjersey/hotel/Tucker-Tops-Off-Newark-Courtyard-Marriott-318344.html), Hanini Group’s planned Hotel Indigo, and RHB Group’sTeachers Village (http://www.globest.com/news/12_283/newjersey/development/-318566.html).“I would have liked to see this [project] a couple of years ago,” Berson says. “This will be Restaurant Row—18,000 people come in for an event. We want this to be a place where people will live.”http://cdn.archinect.net/images/650x/64/64xk1ydr4434gebf.jpg
Another view of the future teachers village.
66nexus
February 15th, 2012, 06:31 PM
^That's great, but affordable units is absolutely not the move IMO.
EDIT: On second thought, considering there is literally nothing else in the area yet it actually could work if they do it right. As the area around it gentrifies these being affordable wouldn't really matter; Still rather not have affordable in that area regardless.
PS: not for nothing, 212, 214 really should be torn down, the others are jewels but 212 isn't worth its own weight unless they could turn it into a Seabra's or something.
alex@newark
February 15th, 2012, 07:00 PM
^That's great, but affordable units is absolutely not the move IMO.
EDIT: On second thought, considering there is literally nothing else in the area yet it actually could work if they do it right. As the area around it gentrifies these being affordable wouldn't really matter; Still rather not have affordable in that area regardless.
PS: not for nothing, 212, 214 really should be torn down, the others are jewels but 212 isn't worth its own weight unless they could turn it into a Seabra's or something.
I can see what your saying about 212 because the other other day i walked passed it and i looked as if something had collapsed on it,it looked a mess but 214 could actually be a good retail place who knows what they will do.
Newarkguy
February 15th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Also,affordable (lower market rate "working"middle class) and "low income"(pc for projects & sec 8 housing) are two different things.
arcman210
February 17th, 2012, 11:46 AM
Now we're talking serious business.
This is all the beginning of something huge.
66nexus
February 17th, 2012, 02:42 PM
Just realized something, the article said Dino's signed a lease at 218, but I thought they signed for 226? Typo? Change plans?
alex@newark
February 17th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Just realized something, the article said Dino's signed a lease at 218, but I thought they signed for 226? Typo? Change plans?
I think its a typo and I agree with you arcman210 downtown may soon be a mini new york city
66nexus
February 17th, 2012, 05:03 PM
I think its a typo and I agree with you arcman210 downtown may soon be a mini new york city
Yeah, hoping it's a typo; but I think we have a looooong way to go to be a mini NYC lol. But we're better off in the direction we're headed, afterall, what good is a city that doesn't have a reclaimed downtown?
alex@newark
February 17th, 2012, 05:50 PM
Yeah, hoping it's a typo; but I think we have a looooong way to go to be a mini NYC lol. But we're better off in the direction we're headed, afterall, what good is a city that doesn't have a reclaimed downtown?
Lol I knoww I think I went ahead of myself but Im just wondering what kinds of new retail would be coming to downtown when this and the teacgers village plus the hotel is complete
JCMAN320
February 17th, 2012, 06:53 PM
I dont know Alex; Newark has light years to go to get any real retail. Remember Newark just doesn't have to compete with NYC but JC as well.
Marv95
February 17th, 2012, 07:03 PM
It could use a Red Lobster *coughHarlemcough*.
newarkhiphop
February 17th, 2012, 08:59 PM
so i was riding around take pics with a new camera i bought, when i accidentally found this place on the newark/bellville border, its a huge old tiffany co. factory turned into gated community, lived in newark my whole life never knew this place existed
http://i41.tinypic.com/21ah377.jpg.
66nexus
February 17th, 2012, 09:30 PM
I dont know Alex; Newark has light years to go to get any real retail. Remember Newark just doesn't have to compete with NYC but JC as well.
I definitely need clarity on this one. How does Newark compete w/ JC and NYC for retail exactly? I honestly don't think either city's retail competes w/ each other. If anything, the smaller towns near Newark should be more worried b/c many Newarkers go to those smaller adjacent towns for their needs. If Newark had more of that stuff in its borders, they lose some customer base.
But I think JC and Newark are definitely large enough to support their own retail markets.
66nexus
February 17th, 2012, 09:40 PM
Lol I knoww I think I went ahead of myself but Im just wondering what kinds of new retail would be coming to downtown when this and the teacgers village plus the hotel is complete
I'd imagine what's coming would be better than what's there now....which is nothingness lol. JCMan is right in the sense that we do need more to get into serious retail, but considering how close this is to the arena we can assume what's on the way will bring the area up a couple of notches.
arcman210
February 17th, 2012, 10:06 PM
The kind of retail needed is the kind that will support a growing downtown population. A pharmacy, a grocery store, some restaurants, etc. Newark doesn't need an apple store or a Barnes and Noble (not for quite a while, at least) because Newark's goal is to turn into a 24/7 community... not a shopping mall.
Two hotels, teachers village, and these new apartments downtown are going to create a market for some fresh new retail options.
Marv95
February 18th, 2012, 12:27 PM
The kind of retail needed is the kind that will support a growing downtown population. A pharmacy, a grocery store, some restaurants, etc. Newark doesn't need an Apple store or a Barnes and Noble (not for quite a while, at least) because Newark's goal is to turn into a 24/7 community... not a shopping mall.
With 5 colleges close to each other a Barnes and Noble--or Waldenbooks, whatever--should almost be a priority.
arcman210
February 18th, 2012, 01:23 PM
Colleges all have their own bookstores. Chain bookstores are best suited for suburban malls.
Nexis4Jersey
February 18th, 2012, 01:27 PM
Colleges all have their own bookstores. Chain bookstores are best suited for suburban malls.
Nah , look at 14th Street Union SQ , B&N fits right in.....Urban B&N's tend to be a big lift to the surrounding community...
Newarkguy
February 18th, 2012, 01:33 PM
With 5 colleges close to each other a Barnes and Noble--or Waldenbooks, whatever--should almost be a priority.
Nj books ,a store located on the Northeast corner of University ave. And Market street, has lasted decades.
I'm sure a barnes and noble on Market street by the Area, plus satellite location in college comblex will do well.
arcman210
February 18th, 2012, 01:40 PM
New York is a different animal. Barnes and Noble needs complimentary retail to go along with it (like suburban malls) in order to survive. Not to mention they are struggling to maintain their exisitng stores and probably aren't looking to expand into too many more markets, let alone Newark.
scrollhectic
February 18th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Nj books ,a store located on the Northeast corner of University ave. And Market street, has lasted decades.
I'm sure a barnes and noble on Market street by the Area, plus satellite location in college comblex will do well.
We did a case study on Barnes and Noble in grad school last year and their business model (which may need some reexamining considering all their store closures) is to be located in upper middle income to high income suburban areas but use college and high school students as a "backdrop" in their store. Believe it or not most college students don't buy books at Barnes and Nobles or Borders. Their stores are created in such a way as to attract college students to hang out in the store - its a marketing technique. A large percentage of students go to hang out and browse through magazines which is why the magazine and periodicals section is always located in the front of the store with high visibility from the outside; it makes the store look busy and inviting. But their sales come primarily from women ages 25 to 35 and woman ages 35-46 - not college students. They just closed their Edgwater location and the Livingston location has been closed for a couple of years now so I'd be surprised if Newark was considered for a store openning although they do have a sister company under the banner "Barnes and Nobles" which partners with universities and sells school books and college attire. The bookstore at Columbia University, for example, is a Barnes and Nobles.
But as Arcman pointed out, New York is a different animal. Manhattan is the largest retail market in the country. For most locations in Manhattan, retailers get the traffic and the sales; the trick is not paying too much for the retail space so that they actually generate profit from all the revenue.
liamnwk
February 18th, 2012, 10:02 PM
Nah , look at 14th Street Union SQ , B&N fits right in.....Urban B&N's tend to be a big lift to the surrounding community...
AHAHAH LOL There is nothing in Newark that even remotely has the type of people/wealth like Union Sq :http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-UShttp://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/smilies/redface.pngfficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=14th+Street+Union+SQ&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=533l533l0l834l1l1l0l0l0l0l140l140l0.1l1l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=7WVAT6O6FdKs0AHh6ZmxBw&biw=1440&bih=741&sei=72VAT9mBFKnm0QGcq626Bw#um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=union+square+nyc&pbx=1&oq=Union+SQ&aq=2&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=19113l19113l0l21318l1l1l0l0l0l0l50l50l1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4735049f2a33e3e2&biw=1440&bih=741 (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=14th+Street+Union+SQ&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=533l533l0l834l1l1l0l0l0l0l140l140l0.1l1l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=7WVAT6O6FdKs0AHh6ZmxBw&biw=1440&bih=741&sei=72VAT9mBFKnm0QGcq626Bw#um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=union+square+nyc&pbx=1&oq=Union+SQ&aq=2&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=19113l19113l0l21318l1l1l0l0l0l0l50l50l1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4735049f2a33e3e2&biw=1440&bih=741)
(to even live in that area the rent is north of $3500 a month for a studio) proves again you are clueless
liamnwk
February 18th, 2012, 10:10 PM
With 5 colleges close to each other a Barnes and Noble--or Waldenbooks, whatever--should almost be a priority.
Yeah to bad most of the students are commuters/live off campus as the area isn't safe from all police blotters we get on muggings and assaults right on the edges of our campuses. From all the redevelopment plans I don't see any of the criminal elements going anywhere either
Nexis4Jersey
February 18th, 2012, 10:54 PM
AHAHAH LOL There is nothing in Newark that even remotely has the type of people/wealth like Union Sq :http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=14th+Street+Union+SQ&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=533l533l0l834l1l1l0l0l0l0l140l140l0.1l1l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=7WVAT6O6FdKs0AHh6ZmxBw&biw=1440&bih=741&sei=72VAT9mBFKnm0QGcq626Bw#um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=union+square+nyc&pbx=1&oq=Union+SQ&aq=2&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=19113l19113l0l21318l1l1l0l0l0l0l50l50l1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4735049f2a33e3e2&biw=1440&bih=741
(to even live in that area the rent is north of $3500 a month for a studio) proves again you are clueless
There you go again being the asshole of the Newark thread. I said theres a B&N in Union SQ to show arcman that theres Urban B&N's , not just the Suburban B&Ns. It has nothing to do with cost of living or the city itself , St Louis might being getting an Urban B&N and Target soon....
66nexus
February 19th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Edison Place and "Restaurant Row" to Become Similar to Stone Street in NYC
http://www.downtownnewark.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/featuredstory/featuredstory/StoneStreet_Photo_Wi40773B.jpg
After the programming of Championship Plaza over the summer and fall, then the Halloween Party on Edison Place, the NDD gained positive attention from the Brick City Bar and Grill, Loft 47, Edison Ale House and the Prudential Center.
The idea came about to enhance the urban atmosphere as well as boost business for the three restaurants by setting up the outdoor cafe on Edison Place, closer to the restaurants, rather than in the Plaza. This endeavor would make it the largest outdoor cafe in Downtown Newark, giving patrons a much closer option for outdoor seating in the warmer months.
The setup would be similar to the famous Stone Street in New York City where the street itself is adorned with tables and chairs and the sidewalks are pathways that lead you to different restaurants. It would be open to the public, possibly Monday through Friday, running later than both Beaver Street and Championship Plaza, and will feature live music once a week. This extra seating will also give the restaurants the extra tables they need for those nights at the Prudential Center when customers patronize their establishments for pre-event fun and happy hour.
The NDD is currently in the process of speaking with the City of Newark and all other necessary partners in bringing this into fruition so get ready!
http://www.downtownnewark.com/featured-story#Edison Place and "Restaurant Row" to Become Similar to Stone Street in NYC (http://www.downtownnewark.com/featured-story#Edison Place and )
Nexis4Jersey
February 19th, 2012, 02:10 PM
Sounds like a good idea....i'm surprised Jersey City or Hoboken hasn't done it yet.
66nexus
February 19th, 2012, 02:30 PM
Yeah I can definitely see JC benefiting from it, but I think Hoboken could ill-afford to close off any streets b/c of space. But then again, I'm sure they could find a way.
JCMAN320
February 19th, 2012, 02:34 PM
It would have to be a smaller street in Downtown JC to do it. Occasionally during the summer they close Grove St. from Mercer and Montgomery St for outdoor seating and eating.
This is great for the Prudential Center and Newark. Its a tiny tiny tiny step for Newark but Newark needs anything it can get at this point. Also its really kind of a joke to call that tiny stretch of 3 bars "Restaurant Row".
66nexus
February 19th, 2012, 02:40 PM
It would have to be a smaller street in Downtown JC to do it. Occasionally during the summer they close Grove St. from Mercer and Montgomery St for outdoor seating and eating.
This is great for the Prudential Center and Newark. Its a tiny tiny tiny step for Newark but Newark needs anything it can get at this point. Also its really kind of a joke to call that tiny stretch of 3 bars "Restaurant Row".
The 'Restaurant Row' moniker is more of a media nickname (and agreed it's a stretch) b/c if anything, Ferry Street would be 'Restaurant Row', but that's not downtown. Either way, Newark may be in need but it's certainly not desperate for outdoor cafes. With the development going on in that vicinity that place will probably go through several evolutions before it realizes what it wants to be.
JCMAN320
February 19th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Oh yea this all coming into focus at once. The Rock is the catalyst for all of this and it's great. However Teachers Village has to be successful in attracting young urban professionals and other developments otherwise all these restaurants and bars around the Rock will be for not. Those places are absolutely D-E-A-D on non event nights. Literally there will only be like 5 people in those places. People have to WANT to be in Downtown Newark.
What I said in my earlier post in terms of Newark not just having to compete with NYC, JC, and Hoboken for retail and business but now also nightlife. People come from outside of Hudson County to go to the bars in Downtown JC and Hoboken. There was an article in the Wall St Journal I will post later about how JC is booming with bars and restaurants and they are sustaining themselves by all being relatively close together, JC having a true city/24/7 vibe, becoming hip, and JC putting in new entertainment rules that are more free and produce more live music.
Yes Newark has the Rock and NJPAC but I can tell you from attending events at both venues, not many stay around enjoy the local places; it's that "OK now that thats over let's get the hell out of Newark" mentality. That must change for Newark to truly be a 24/7 city.
Nexis4Jersey
February 19th, 2012, 03:45 PM
Yea , When i first starting visiting Newark to go to the Museum and PAC back in 2002 , you went there , and then you got the hell out of Newark. Now I go there , and then go into the Ironbound afterwards to eat.
Marv95
February 19th, 2012, 05:37 PM
Yes Newark has the Rock and NJPAC but I can tell you from attending events at both venues, not many stay around enjoy the local places;
They do before gametime for the Rock. On Friday the 3 restaurants on Edison were crowded. For the Rock it's not the only place where people leave after a game or event. It happens all over including MSG. Makes no sense to hang out when folks got work the next day. And there's nowhere around NJPAC for people to go to anyways. And I doubt a chain like Dinosaur BBQ will be completely dead on non-event nights.
And you keep talking about Hoboken and downtown JC...that island across from those 2 places have alot to do with what's going on there. Be realistic.
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