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Just Rich
March 29th, 2003, 02:21 PM
701 Seventh *Tower Design Competition

RichView Industries (me) is calling on all interested Wired NY forumers
to partake in a Skyscraper Design Competition.

The site is bounded by 47th and 48th Streets and Seventh Avenue.

The building will house corporate offices.

The lower portion of the building must incorporate the type of signage
indicative of the Times Square Area.

The occupied portion of the building must be no larger than
31 million cubic feet (do the math...a building 200 x 200 x 800 feet high
is 32 million cubic feet)

RichView Industries is looking for a building to make an impact on the
New York skyline, especially when viewed from the Empire State Building.
(good opportunity for a 1000 footer!)


All interested parties should prepare drawings (digital or hand drawn and scanned)
with as much detail as possible.

Required drawings: in JPEG format

Four elevation drawings (north, south, east and west)
Plans (as many as necessary to describe any building setbacks)
Any other perspectives etc as needed to describe the design

All drawings must be to scale.

If you have a 3D modeling program feel free to send a digital model in DXF format.


Submissions that meet the above criteria will be digitally modeled by me.
I will render these models individually and place them into the skyline shots included.

Designs should remain anonymous until a winning design and runners-up are chosen.

Deadline for submissions is April 30, 2003
Submit to rich.view@rogers.com
DO NOT POST THEM HERE
I'll post them all together after they're all done

If anyone has some better photos of the site (aerial or otherwise feel free to post them
and maybe we can insert the models into them)


Rich Carter
President and Ruler
RichView Industries

http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/Aerial.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/Times.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/from_ESB.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/site_plan.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/Axonometric.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/47th_Elevation.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/Seventh_Elevation.jpg

Visit here to see some other NY stuff I've done:

http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/PhotoAlbum22.html

DominicanoNYC
March 29th, 2003, 02:27 PM
Intersting. Everyone of any age can particapate right?

Kris
March 29th, 2003, 02:27 PM
#Moderation Mode



<a href="http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/topic.cgi?forum=7&topic=90" target="_self">Moved here</a>

Gulcrapek
March 29th, 2003, 02:28 PM
It has to be completely commercial?

Just Rich
March 29th, 2003, 02:39 PM
Dominicano:
Any member of the Wired NY forum can participate

Gulcrapek:
All commercial

Christian:
I guess I had hoped this would qualify as Skyscrapers and Construction (more traffic)

Kris
March 29th, 2003, 02:49 PM
I left the thread apparent in that section so that more people would notice. Traffic should be diverted.

Just Rich
March 29th, 2003, 02:54 PM
Thanks Christian

Gulcrapek
March 29th, 2003, 03:38 PM
Finished a prelim design and sent. Just added 2 floors. My problem now becomes glass shading. But should we worry so much about our renderings? Or should we just shape?

Gulcrapek
March 29th, 2003, 03:50 PM
...can the two lots immediately right of the building be used too? My building is 7 feet too long... but maybe I can cantilever? How tall are those buildings on the lots?


(Edited by Gulcrapek at 4:00 pm on Mar. 29, 2003)

Just Rich
March 29th, 2003, 03:58 PM
Gulcrapek

The design drawings you send will be part of the submission along with the rendering I do of it in the skyline, so make it look as good as you can.

The site dimensions are given and must be adhered to.
No cantilevers.
The buildings to the right are parking garages around 6-8 floors and
can be seen on the 47th street elevation drawing.

Gulcrapek
March 29th, 2003, 03:59 PM
Alright. It fits now. Not much impact on the shape.

Evan
March 29th, 2003, 05:12 PM
This a great opportunity to build something that isn't a box or a rectangle. *

http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/Aerial.jpg

Just Rich
March 29th, 2003, 05:56 PM
For purposes of continuity of detail among submissions I suggest elevation drawings be done to a scale of 1 pixel = 1 foot.
I'm including a 200' x 1000' template broken into 5' intervals horizontally by 14' vertically (typical office dimensions). *This is a guide only.
http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/.Pictures/NY%20Skraper%20Design%20Comp/template.jpg

Gulcrapek
March 29th, 2003, 07:40 PM
Problem... my building had 14.5 floor to floor heights. Should I just make that 15?

Just Rich
March 29th, 2003, 07:49 PM
Gulcrapek

This is just a guide to show how big the file would be at 1 pixel = 1 foot.

The floor heights can be to your own specifications.

dbhstockton
March 29th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Nobody's tearing down Manny's Music, are they?

tugrul
March 30th, 2003, 12:47 AM
I've actually walked down that block many times from TSQ to the F train stop at Rockefeller, and noticed the music stores. I'm pretty sure they are midblock and unharmed by our little project =P

*sigh* I wish I had the ability to create in Photoshop the ideas that run rampant in my mind. Maybe if another competition is held after I graduate from NYU this May.

JerzDevl2000
March 30th, 2003, 01:43 AM
Just Rich - Great topic! If I knew how to work a photoshop/autocad program, I'd give this a shot. I've seen this view from MTV when they pan around Times Square.

My question is - are there actual air rights/zoning that we might see a nice tower pop up here during the next boom? I remember when Rock West was gonna have a nice 55 story put up on the vacant lot a few blocks from this site. What a disappointment!

(Edited by JerzDevl2000 at 1:46 am on Mar. 30, 2003)

Just Rich
March 30th, 2003, 08:20 AM
tugrul and JerzDevl2000

Grab that pencil and paper dudes. *Creativity didn't start with the digital age!

Visualize...Conceptualize...Draw...Scan...Send it in!!

Let's assume that the two parking garages directly east of our site are Historic Treasures and we bought the air rights from them, so we can go as high as we want (as long as the volume doesn't exceed the limit stated above)

Bennie B
March 30th, 2003, 08:54 AM
Hey Rich have you figured out any prizes? *How about a giant Tootsie roll for first place--architects can't live on peanuts! (heh)

Just Rich
March 30th, 2003, 09:38 AM
Bennie B

I was thinking more along the lines of the love and admiration of all the Wired NY Forumers.
It's much more meaningful (and cheaper...though less tasty)

tugrul
March 30th, 2003, 11:45 AM
Heh, you make the assumption that I can draw with paper and pencil :) I can barely draw a straight line with my unsteady hand.

I wish I had gotten those genes from my mother.

DominicanoNYC
March 30th, 2003, 04:05 PM
Use a ruler then. Unless you have really shakey hands:)
Good Luck!

Bennie B
April 1st, 2003, 07:37 AM
Rich that's even sweeter (heh). *Any points off for plagiarism?

Just Rich
April 1st, 2003, 09:27 AM
If you're going to join the competition can you let me know here.
I'd *like to have an idea of how many submissions we'll have.

Don't show anything just say you'll be entering.

Bennie B
April 1st, 2003, 09:36 AM
Rich who could resist a prize like that? *I'm in but it's probably gonna be a hand job unless I can find some free software. *Make that a scan job. *:)

Just Rich
April 1st, 2003, 10:16 AM
Bennie B

You're not suggesting that the "hand job" be the prize for the winner are you?!?!

dbhstockton
April 1st, 2003, 11:22 AM
Thanks Bennie, now kids probably can't get to this ite from AOL or MSN (parental controls and all).;)

NoyokA
April 1st, 2003, 03:13 PM
lol.... hand job at the least.

NoyokA
April 1st, 2003, 03:14 PM
oh and Ill be entering... damn, a hand-job.

DominicanoNYC
April 1st, 2003, 03:59 PM
I'll also be entering the contest. I've already come up with the calculaions and I hope my building's height is good enough for all you skylinw maniacs.:)

Gulcrapek
April 1st, 2003, 04:21 PM
Oh boy. I'll be sure to get cracking on improving my building now that the prize has been announced.

DominicanoNYC
April 1st, 2003, 09:48 PM
Quote: from Just Rich on 2:21 pm on Mar. 29, 2003
701 Seventh *Tower Design Competition

The lower portion of the building must incorporate the type of signage
indicative of the Times Square Area.



What if this 'signage' is some where in the top of the building?

Just Rich
April 1st, 2003, 10:38 PM
DominicanoNYC

Street level signage is required.
Anything additional signage is your decision.

JerzDevl2000
April 2nd, 2003, 03:49 PM
Hand job - no comment!

I asked this before, and I'm very interested to know. Is this an actual development site? I know the site where Toys R Us is now was supposed to have a KPR/Fox and Fowle buidling put up on it in the late 90's. That would be a great site too!

Just Rich
April 2nd, 2003, 04:23 PM
JerzDevl2000

Is this an actual development site?

Not that I know of.

I just picked it because it looked like a very developable site for a big building for us to have fun with.

Are you taking part?

dbhstockton
April 2nd, 2003, 06:23 PM
There's an old theater on the site that fronts on 7th ave, correct? *Or am I thinking of another block? *The theater is adulturated almost beyond recognition, but parts of it peek through the alterations -- I think it's a "Gentleman's Club."

TLOZ Link5
April 4th, 2003, 05:46 PM
I think that 701 Seventh Avenue will be a pharos for the new world.

...sorry, I've always wanted to write that :)

Eugenius
April 7th, 2003, 04:06 PM
Quote: from TLOZ Link5 on 5:46 pm on April 4, 2003
I think that 701 Seventh Avenue will be a pharos for the new world.

...sorry, I've always wanted to write that :)We whould introduce a special prize for "most innovative use of fruit in building."

By the way, in the old Gehry tradition, I refuse to submit any design unless I am properly compensated to the tune of half a million dollars. (or a free copy of 3D Studio Max 5)

NoyokA
April 7th, 2003, 04:30 PM
I will not enter the competition, this time around...

Gehry's right...

DominicanoNYC
April 7th, 2003, 04:48 PM
Hmmmmmm. Yeah I agree also. If we labor in making a hand made design then we should win a 3-D Studio Max 5, like you said Engenuis.

Just Rich
April 13th, 2003, 01:28 PM
Follow the link to see an animation in which each submission will be placed.
Animations for everyone!!

http://homepage.mac.com/rigrij/iMovieTheater31.html

Gulcrapek
April 13th, 2003, 07:07 PM
Can't render my building the way it is? Poo. BTW you never replied on the second, full scale building..

Just Rich
April 24th, 2003, 02:48 PM
Hey Designers!!

Deadline is coming up in under a week...

Make sure you meet all the criteria such as

-street signage (a la Times Square)
-maximum 31 million cubic foot building
-draw four elevations
-as many plans as necessary

Feel free to send stuff before the deadline to make sure
it's enough info and detail.

DominicanoNYC
April 24th, 2003, 07:16 PM
I'm out! I can't get my design into the computer.:(

Gulcrapek
April 24th, 2003, 08:00 PM
I'm out too. I ran out of will.

NoyokA
April 24th, 2003, 08:09 PM
so that leaves us with how many....

any at all?

Gulcrapek
April 25th, 2003, 04:07 PM
Actually I may stay in. I just drew the front elevation. If I get the chutzpah I'll draw the other side and back. But it's in 1:1 and it's supposed to be 3.28:1. Ack. I can't draw well larger than this. Maybe make a mini-render or something..

Just Rich
May 1st, 2003, 02:47 PM
Okay then...

No submissions = no interest.

I was looking forward to seeing what the creative minds of the
forum could come up with.

Any suggestions on how to get the design juices flowing?
Another site?
Real prizes?

Gulcrapek
May 1st, 2003, 04:50 PM
Free stress relief.

NyC MaNiAc
May 1st, 2003, 11:30 PM
Hmm...

It seems to be aggravating alot of people, Rich. It's would work out better if you knew everyone had the same computers and programs.

Maybe you should teach a class on it, and as a prize, give the winner one of those squeezy things that *release stress.

Just Rich
May 2nd, 2003, 09:02 AM
Draw it on toilet paper for all I care.
Scanner services are pretty easy to find.

Nobody said it had to be drawn digitally.

The Chrysler Building wasn't designed using 3D Studio and Photoshop!

NyC MaNiAc
May 3rd, 2003, 01:28 AM
Haha, very true Just Rich.

But, times change...

Derek2k3
April 7th, 2007, 02:11 AM
Been starting to draw random crap in Illustrator when I'm bored...This took about an hour. So looks like I won this competion being the only submission.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/449136789_70f75bf7d8.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/449136765_8c0a5d8bf5.jpg

NoyokA
April 7th, 2007, 02:42 AM
Very nice Derek. Nice movement, daring, inspires a sense of danger as well, I like it.

Fabrizio
April 7th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Hey, thats beautiful. My compliments.

krulltime
April 7th, 2007, 01:43 PM
That is really creative Derek2k3. Now why can't architects and a developers build something daring and creative as that. Maybe it has something to do with money. I am not sure. But still NYC deserves better architeture that is completely out of the box. The city should encourage it too.