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September 11th, 2003, 10:08 AM
September 11, 2003

Blood on the Street, and It's Chic


The New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission has designated the Gansevoort Market section of Manhattan as a historic district. Many meatpacking companies still operate there.

Michael Diamond walked past the trucks for Woolco, Sysco and the meat purveyors yesterday as he crossed Little West 12th Street. A famed rap performer and Spiritual Guy, he is the obligatory Beastie Boy on hand to assure the followers of fashion eating brunch at outdoor cafes that they had arrived at the scene of a scene.

It was another day in Gansevoort Market, a neighborhood described by its boosters as "gritty." Though the streets are still cobblestone and in some places covered in the blood of cattle, the century-old meat markets have in recent years lost some ground to other sorts of meat markets:, nightclubs and boutiques patrolled by skinny women and men with expensive sunglasses.

Gritty sells, though. Gritty evokes a New York of gangs and huddling masses, and it attracts filmmakers and clubgoers seeking a veneer of danger. So the owners of disparate businesses in this neighborhood have formed an unlikely alliance to preserve certain parts of the market's appearance. This week, they won designation by the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission for a historic district in an area bordered by 14th and 15th Streets on the north, Horatio Street on the south, West Street on the west and Hudson Street on the east.

The district's borders are a puzzle piece in part because this is a neighborhood where the streets of the old Greenwich Village grid collide at a 45-degree angle with those of the Manhattan grid. The designation requires approval by the commission for any significant alterations to the facades of buildings within the boundaries.

Perhaps the most readily apparent examples of the neighborhood's distinctive architecture are the metal awnings jutting out from the brick facades, put here to provide shade and an anchor for the pulleys that workers use to load carcasses from trucks to warehouses.

"It has a completely unique sense of place," said Andrew Berman, executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation, a group that worked to secure the designation. "It's for that reason that it's become popular in recent years. The trick is not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg."

Mr. Berman has found allies in the meatpacking unions and restaurant owners, who have collectively decided that the goose-killers they have in mind are developers of residential real estate.

Already at the spot where the cobblestone of Gansevoort Street meets the asphalt of Hudson Street, there rises a sleek silver exoskeleton with panels befitting a spaceship and balconies too small for chairs, a project of the Hotel Gansevoort Group of Garden City. On the western side of the market, the developer Stephen Touhey has proposed a 32-story luxury building to straddle the old High Line railroad.

The historic designation, Mr. Touhey said, will not affect his plans because his battlefield is at the Department of City Planning, which oversees zoning.

"My plan has always been to build a building that fits in with the historic architecture of the neighborhood," Mr. Touhey said, adding that his plans were changing to build something more like a hotel than a condominium building.

The business owners-cum-preservationists say they do not want people to live here because residents would inevitably complain about the traffic and the noise and the mess that industry produces.

Florent Morellet, owner of the restaurant that bears his first name and a chief campaigner for the historic district designation, conceded that he himself made residential development appealing by opening a French bistro among the warehouses.

"Progress is inevitable," Mr. Morellet said. "What I'm trying to do with this is to try to channel it."

There were no historic districts to channel development and change a century ago, when this district actually was residential. People moved into tenements here in the 1820's to escape epidemics in what was then the main part of New York. The neighborhood shifted to become a market, first for produce and, after the development of reliable refrigeration, for meat. Gansevoort Market became a commercial district, its looks of concern to few.

Walmir Meats is among the meatpackers that still operate here. Its owners and unions joined the campaign for a historic district.

"Nothing ever stays the same," said Raymond DeStefano, shop steward at Walmir for United Food and Commercial Workers Local 342. "But when they're squeezing you out and you could only buy a hot dog in a boutique, that's what it all boils down to."

Mr. DeStefano said that the smell of the block is in his blood and in the cobblestone. He stood under a series of hooks as he said this, and bleeding hindquarters and forequarters swung around his head, producing the smell he spoke of.

Walmir Meats is cold. Décor is limited to a small plastic cow, picture postcards of skiers and a portrait of Miss September pulling at her teddy as if it is full of sand.

"Once this is gone, this whole block is gone," Mr. DeStefano said.

Signs abound of the delicate balance between true grit and those using grit as a backdrop to underscore their beauty. Across from Western Beef, there is a series of stores each selling the wares of a different Western European designer, with a maximum of five outfits on display in the middle of a wide space, smooth surfaces and inventive lighting. Lampposts jut out from the old brick facades. Four of them atop the Rio Mar restaurant illuminate an outsized billboard featuring a woman standing next to a printed name, offering a pouting glare to the diners across the street as if to say "Look but don't touch" or perhaps "I have recently watched the film `Amélie.' " It is unclear what the billboard is selling, but the model's clothes are a solid bet.

"The charm is that it's so diverse," said Birgitte West, a vice president of Bodum, a Danish purveyor of household goods that is converting a meatpacking warehouse into a call center to sell fancy kitchenware on the Internet. "It does smell of meat in the morning."

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

Map (http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/pdfs/historic/gansevoort.pdf)

Press Release (http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/pdfs/highlights/09_09_03.pdf)

September 11th, 2003, 10:17 AM
I took some photos earlier today of the area around the proposed Nouvel building. Remember, this area has a markedly different atmosphere during the week.

View north on Washington St at Little W 12. The tower portion would be on the left of the high line.

View west on W 13 St.

One block north on Washington St. This is an active meat packing facility.

Across the street from the above building, this one has been converted. The entire ground floor is small retail. Only a few are open, but all storefronts having work permits in the windows.

Another building being renovated on 9th Ave and W 13 St.

Hudson St and 9th Ave looking south. These buildings occupy a prominent spot. If this area is landmarked, will these buildings be preserved? IMO, no architectural value.

Intersection of Ganesvoort, Little W 12, 9th Ave, and Greenwich. I think this spot should get some special consideration. Many restaurants here, and a gateway to the Village (to the left).

Same area as above

Retail on W 13, complete with historic pork.

I don't think landmarking is the answer, but a large resident base may not be desirable either. The area may not look busy, but there are restaurants, shops, galleries, and clubs, and taxis looking for fares. The area is ideally located between Chelsea and the Village.

The hotels are a good idea. City planning and the BSA should
decide what they want this area to evolve into, and help it along.

September 12th, 2003, 02:46 PM
What the hell do I know! :roll:

February 23rd, 2004, 10:30 PM
Hotel Gansevoort (http://www.wirednewyork.com/hotels/hotel_gansevoort/default.htm) is a new boutique hotel located in the Meatpacking District. 21 February 2004.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/hotels/hotel_gansevoort/gansevoort_market_21feb04.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/hotels/hotel_gansevoort/default.htm)

The view from under the High Line - same corner, same character.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/manhattan/gansevoort/meatpacking_highline_21feb04.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/hotels/hotel_gansevoort/default.htm)

February 23rd, 2004, 10:55 PM
The building on the corner of Tenth Avenue and 15th Street. The building next to this one, to the left, is being demolished. Anyone knows what is being planned for the spot?


June 26th, 2004, 06:55 AM
June 27, 2004


The Meatpacking District: Out of the Darkness, Into the Klieg Lights

HIPSTER HEIGHTS A wave of restaurants and clothing stores, a club and a hotel, have drawn a hip new crowd to the meatpacking district, but the blood and grit have not completely been washed away.


PLEASANTLY gentrified to some yet disappointingly sanitized to others who knew it when the hottest clubs along its cobblestone streets had names like Hellfire, the Manhole or the Anvil, New York's ever-heaving meatpacking district still has enough of that gritty je ne sais quoi to make it Manhattan's hottest 24/7 scene.

Pretty much anything anybody could want can be found here, at all hours of the day or night. There are hip restaurants, pricey designer retail stores and the exclusive members-only Soho House, where each guest room has bathtubs big enough for two and a free copy of the Kama Sutra. There's an emporium for fancy food and drink, a big-box supermarket for the local rent-poor and a progressive school for the progeny of the intellectually privileged. Add the butchers in their bloody aprons and there you have it, the New York version of cutting edge.

So spoiled for services in a service-spoiled town, this teeming little slice of Manhattan is also the place everybody who is anybody wants to call home. Brokers are overwhelmed with demand for space in a neighborhood that until relatively recently was more popular with transvestite prostitutes than apartment hunters.

"To anyone who has been watching the change, it is astounding," said Debra Kameros, a real estate agent and principal in the Debra Kameros Company. "People used to think you fell off the earth at Gansevoort Street, and now it is location, location, location."

The meatpacking district is loosely bordered by West 14th Street to the north, Hudson Street to the east, Gansevoort Street to the south and West Street to the west, and apartments are at a premium because, technically, no one is allowed to live there — not even Diane von Furstenberg, who is trading the two West 12th Street town houses she lives and works in for 25,000 square feet of industrial space on West 14th Street, across the road from the retailer Jeffrey Atlanta New York. The town houses fetched a reported $23 million.

The district is zoned for commercial and industrial use only, with some exceptions made for fewer than a dozen grandfathered rental units like those at 675 Hudson Street, or the hip Hotel Gansevoort on Ninth Avenue, since hotels are allowed in commercial zones.

People seeking apartments in the area are looking on the fringes of the meatpacking district, which has been called the Gansevoort Market Historic District since achieving hard-won landmark status last September. The closest apartments are actually in the northern reaches of the West Village, on such streets as Washington, Jane, Horatio, Greenwich and Hudson. Some early conversions here are also former meatpacking buildings.

To the north, the fluid boundaries of the neighborhood go up to West 15th Street in Chelsea, where the upscale Chelsea Market and the new Maritime Hotel, formerly the Covenant House center for teenage runaways, stand in sharp contrast to the 945-unit Robert Fulton Houses, a public housing project that runs between 16th and 19th Streets.

At the corner of Ninth Avenue and 15th Street, the condos in the 22-unit Porter House complex sold out in nine weeks, according to Michael Chapman, the Stribling and Associates broker handling the sales. The building is named for the cut of steak, which took its name from porter houses, 19th century coach stops that in turn took their names from the dark brown beer brewed from charred malt; its units ranged from $735,000 for a one bedroom to $4.15 million for a penthouse. Two-bedroom units were sold at $1.3 million.

The building is a new construction sitting atop a Renaissance Revival warehouse built for Julius Wile, wine importers, in 1905. At 495 West Street, a 3,100-square-foot two-bedroom, two-bath condo that sold four years ago for $2.75 million is on the market again for $5.2 million, according to Jan Hashey, an executive vice president at Douglas Elliman.

Prices per square foot of finished space within walking distance of the meatpackers are now reaching $2,500 — well above the $1,300 per square foot of raw space in the Richard Meier-designed buildings farther south along the Hudson River at Perry Street.

Rental prices on the fringes of the meatpacking district are slowly starting to go up as more apartment owners cash out and demand for rentals goes up, according to Itzy Garay, office manager for the West Village office of Citi Habitats. She sees the soft rental market turning into a landlords' market once again.

"January, February, March, you'd have 100 people at an open house and everyone was looking to buy," Ms. Garay said. "Now so many people are looking to rent and we just don't have the inventory. Prices are starting to creep up, but they are still not as insane as they were a few years ago."

A one-bedroom garden apartment in a prime West Village location has been renting for $4,800, but the owner is now asking $5,400, according to the broker. "That's an enormous increase over a year," she said.

The space acquired by Ms. von Furstenberg at 440 West 14th Street was occupied for 50 years by the Gachot & Gachot meatpacking company. It was built by John Jacob Astor in 1887 to house workers for nearby piers and what was then a new produce market. Meat, poultry and dairy products were added by 1887, but meat eventually took over.

There were still about 100 meatpacking concerns operating in the area in the early 1970's, but now only about 25 remain, according to Jo Hamilton, a trustee of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation. Over the years, the butchers and packers co-existed with the other elements seduced by the charms of the seedy, anonymous, rough-and-tumble life that thrived under cover of darkness near the waterfront.

The arrival of the restaurant Florent on Gansevoort Street in 1985 provided the first glimmer of change, and it has been an upscale sprint ever since. Restaurants like Pastis, Spice Market and Vento now occupy almost every available street-level space on the side streets as well as on 14th Street, where luxury retailers like Jeffrey and Stella McCartney are increasingly the shopping destination of choice for hip, well-heeled New Yorkers.

New residents flocking to the environs come for the night life, but the area is also well-served by such traffic arteries as West Street and 14th Street, public transportation and schools. For grades K through 5, Public School 3 and P.S. 41 in the West Village and P.S. 11 in Chelsea have some of the best reading and math scores in the city. Local private schools include the 106-student Chelsea Day School, for children ages 2-5, and the Corlears School, whose 128 students range in grade from nursery school to fourth grade.

On weekends, children of all sizes head to the Hudson River Park. It may soon be complemented by the restored High Line, a 22-block-long raised rail bed that locals hope to turn into a leafy pedestrians-only retreat. And à la Carrie Bradshaw, the lucky few will be sipping cosmopolitans on the sun decks of the roof-top swimming pools at Soho House and the Hotel Gansevoort.

Preservationists heaved a collective sigh of relief last fall when landmark status was achieved for the area, protecting the remaining meatpackers and smoothing the way for the possible move to the Gansevoort Market of the commercial flower district currently on Seventh Avenue in the West 20's. But even landmark status is no guarantee that the Gansevoort Market will not see change of another sort.

The hotelier André Balazs, who oversaw the reincarnation of the Chateau Marmont in Los Angeles and turned a SoHo factory into the Mercer, has announced plans to build an outpost of his bargain Standard hotel chain on a much-fought-over lot bordered by West Street, West 13th, Washington and Little West 12th Streets. Little is known about the project except the price of the rooms — $100 compared with $350 at the Gansevoort.

But as they wait to see the plans, locals are philosophical about the continuing kaleidoscope of changes over two decades from wild gay bar scene to playground for the wealthy glitterati.

"I was fine when I was the only queen on the block and I'm fine now," said Florent Morellet, owner of Florent and a leading community advocate. "If you live in New York it is because you like change, and you had better embrace it or get out."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

June 26th, 2004, 09:06 AM
I think the area looks like a friggin' dump, I dont know how it is "Trendy" or "Chic" :?

June 26th, 2004, 01:40 PM
I think the area looks like a friggin' dump, I dont know how it is "Trendy" or "Chic" :?

Have you ever walked around here?

June 26th, 2004, 11:00 PM
No, becuase all the areas I have seen in the pictures look like a dump. Just my tastes, rather not go.

June 27th, 2004, 02:21 AM
Evolution from guys who wear leather pants because they ride, to guys who wear leather pants because of their wives... 8)

June 27th, 2004, 07:23 PM
I think the area looks like a friggin' dump, I dont know how it is "Trendy" or "Chic" :?
Hmmm. It seems that, from all your posts, you like New York's glitter, but not its grit. Anyone who knows New York will tell you they go hand in hand.

Club PM
Gansevoort St

The Meet
Washington & Gansevoort Sts

Gansevoort St

Gansevoort & Greenwich Sts

9 Ave & Little W 12 St

One Little West 12

Washington & Little W 12 Sts

W 14 St

Spice Market
9 Ave & Gansevoort St

9 Ave & Hudson St

9 Ave & W 14 St

Noguchi footstools

Little W 12 St

Hotel Gansevoort

What a dump!

June 27th, 2004, 08:57 PM
Oh the smell of blood I cant take it any more!!! :x

Cool pictures....Thanks for showing us that the city is not all like the Upper East Side (But it will one day I am afraid!) but a place where even the rats get to rule!

June 27th, 2004, 10:12 PM
OK OK OK :? Maybe it isnt such a dump, its actually okay. But the part of me likeing the glitter of new york more than its grit, is true, I like the upper east side far better than the lower east side. Just a matter of taste.

June 27th, 2004, 11:30 PM

Oh yeah.

Lauren Loves NY
June 28th, 2004, 12:13 AM

Oh yeah.

:lol: Boys are so predictable.

Isn't she a beauty:

Thanks for all the pics, Zippy.

I, for one, enjoy the grit just as much as the glitter. NY wouldn't be NY without the grit. It gives the city it's edge (that scares some away - which I believe is a good thing. :D )

June 28th, 2004, 10:18 AM
Another shot of the wide expanse of cobblestone at Gansevoort and Greenwich, the hub of the neighborhood that gives the district a unique look and feel for Manhattan.


July 11th, 2004, 03:49 PM
At the intersection of Hudson St, 9th Ave, and W 14th st...
Tango up the stairs.

July 12th, 2004, 08:49 AM
I've long felt that they should turn the intersection of Gansevoort and Greenwich into a public square (European style). There is no real need for cars to drive thru that intersection that I could think of.

July 12th, 2004, 09:25 AM
I've long felt that they should turn the intersection of Gansevoort and Greenwich into a public square (European style). There is no real need for cars to drive thru that intersection that I could think of.

There are still working meatpacking businesses in the immediate area that need truck access.

July 27th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Creative companies flock to Meatpacking District

By Adelle Waldman
July 2004

The meatpacking district in West Chelsea isn't just a nightlife hot spot anymore. A few hours after the bleary-eyed partiers leave, the streets get busy with office workers preparing to clock in at some of the many creative companies setting up shop in the area.

Many advertising, media and other creative businesses have signed deals to move into the neighborhood, from the apparel maker Theory, which has leased an entire 60,00-square-foot building on Gansevoort Place, to Estee Lauder's salon and hair-care subsidiary Bumble & Bumble, and the Food Network, a new tenant in the Chelsea Market.

Even financial services firms are getting on board: Alexander von Furstenberg, son of Diane von Furstenberg and stepson of Barry Diller, will move Arrow Investments, his private investment firm, to 408 West 14th St., between Ninth and Tenth Avenues. The company's offices are currently in the MetLife building.

"This is the next frontier in office development," said Douglas Grabiner, managing director of Newmark & Co., which represented the landlord in the Arrow Investments lease. "It's a way for companies to show that they are forward-thinking and unique, not simply taking space in a fungible building."

"It's the cutting edge neighborhood for creative companies to be," agreed Bruce Sinder, president of Sinvin Realty Corp., which focuses on Downtown office and retail space, and represented the landlord in the Theory transaction. In that deal, the retailer took an entire building and will use the ground floor for retail and the upper floors for a showroom and corporate headquarters, Sinder said.

More established buildings are also benefitting from the neighborhood's cachet.

111 Eighth Avenue, a 3-million-square-foot building that occupies an entire city block from Eighth to Ninth Avenues and 15th to 16th Streets-one-and-a-half times the size of the MetLife building - is about 95 percent occupied, says Brian Gell, an executive vice president with CB Richard Ellis, who represents the building along with senior associate Susan MacWilliams.

"We have transactions pending for 300,000 square feet for future space, when leases expire for older tenants-distributors and warehouses," Gell says.

The building houses such tenants as BarnesandNoble.com, DoubleClick and Deutsch Advertising, which recently increased the amount of space it leases from 110,000 square feet to 130,000 square feet.

What's driving it? The movement of many galleries from SoHo to Chelsea and the recent influx of trendy clubs and restaurants certainly helped, brokers say.

"Many companies are looking for an atmosphere that will excite and energize their people, both in terms of neighborhood and environment," Gell says, referring to both the neighborhood and the aesthetic amenities associated with converted industrial buildings, from high ceilings to wide columns.

With many low-rise buildings and streets that are off the grid, Sinder says the meatpacking district has an almost European flavor. No one denies that Chelsea Market has also been a driving force, Grabiner says. The culinary cornucopia in the first floor of the multibuilding market is a destination, he says.

Put it all together and what you get is demand that outpaces supply and rents that outpace those in lower Manhattan and Midtown South. At 111 Eighth Avenue, rents are in the mid-$30s per sf, Gell says.

For the neighborhood as a whole, rents range from the mid-$20s to the mid-$30s, he says, up from the low to mid $20s five years ago, but still below their $40 peak during the dot-com boom, Gell says.

"It comes down to location, not economics," Grabiner says.

Copyright 2003-2004 The Real Deal.

April 11th, 2005, 11:56 PM
In front of Pastis. 9 April 2005.


May 2nd, 2005, 12:02 AM
The roof of the Soho House.


January 25th, 2007, 03:12 PM
anybody could tell me the conditions of the buildings in the 10th Av between Little West 12St and Gansevoort ST and if they have any used at the moment ?

Also... I am not entierly sure but is the NYC Sanitation in the adjacent pier, what is going on in thet pier? In google earth i can appreciate lot of trucks park there ????

January 25th, 2007, 04:00 PM
^You'll find lots of information and photos in the Landmark Preservation Commission's 2-volume Designation Report for the Gansevoort Market Historic District at http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/html/forms/reports_man.shtml. As for those garbage trucks on the Gansevoort Peninsula, you'll find a currently active discussion here at WNY about the City's plans to move them to a new garage further downtown.

March 26th, 2007, 10:33 AM

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7264/meatpacking02jh9.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meatpacking02jh9.jpg) http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3241/meatpacking03mk9.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meatpacking03mk9.jpg)

March 27th, 2007, 07:17 AM
^ Time to repair the Belgian block.

August 4th, 2007, 12:15 PM
^ Time to repair the Belgian block.

It's in the works.

9th Ave & W14th St Pedestrian/Traffic Improvement

An interim plan that began late last year. Some wanted the sidewalks extended, but according to DOT, that would have meant drainage studies, relocating sewers, and a capital project with contracts going out.

Pedestrian space increased. Long 120 ft crosswalk
cut down to two 30 footers.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6962/gansevoortped01gzn9.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped01gzn9.jpg)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4320/gansevoortped01ee8.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped01ee8.jpg) http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4595/gansevoortped02ox0.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped02ox0.jpg) http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7977/gansevoortped03ep0.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped03ep0.jpg) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7181/gansevoortped04ue9.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped04ue9.jpg) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6089/gansevoortped05ao3.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped05ao3.jpg)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4800/gansevoortped06tz0.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped06tz0.jpg) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3181/gansevoortped07ql4.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gansevoortped07ql4.jpg)

NYC DOT presentation (http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/pdf/9thAveSafetyandPlaza.pdf)
Plaza rendering is really crude.

The above is part of an overall effort by the Greater Gansevoort Urban Improvement Project, which includes a piazza on Gansevoort, and narrowing 9th Ave south of 14th St.

Report (http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/pdf/meatpacking.pdf) by the Project for Public Spaces (http://www.pps.org/)

August 4th, 2007, 12:33 PM
^ Potted trees?

Looks like a cheapie.

August 5th, 2007, 12:12 PM
I think the plan is to live with the temporary set-up in order to evaluate it. Tweak it; critique it; then make the changes more permanent.

August 5th, 2007, 02:10 PM
I think the plan is to live with the temporary set-up in order to evaluate it.
So first it's a kind of traffic-study experiment to see how the circulation works out --both vehicular and pedestrian-- and then when they're convinced it works, they can hire a design professional to make a place that is more than traffic islands with potted bushes?

then make the changes more permanent.

Do you have inside info on this, fioco? Or is it just that this makes sense to you on the basis of what you see, and is often the way things are done? If the latter, this could be a fifty-year process.

August 5th, 2007, 04:46 PM
What I know from various sources:

The intersection was scheduled for repaving this summer. DOT took advantage of this and, noting studies and wish-lists by the community, presented the interim plan.

What you see was done in three weeks as part of the repaving, out of the DOT budget. Further improvements will be made over the next months.

A permanent plan will involve ripping up the streets, relocating utilities, etc. It will have to go through a review process, funds allocated, contracts bid and awarded. Three years.

Early this year, long range proposals were made for the district, including extending the L train from 8th Ave. One more immediate proposal was to raise the Belgian block streets at Gansevoort up to sidewalk level, along with decreasing the width of 9th Ave south of 14th street.

August 5th, 2007, 04:57 PM
...the wide expanse of cobblestone at Gansevoort and Greenwich, the hub of the neighborhood that gives the district a unique look and feel for Manhattan.
That's right, that's what makes it feel so much like Paris, which abounds with such broad, multi-axial cobbled intersections. The intention, however, is to largely eliminate that with traffic islands masquerading as park. For me, this engenders mixed feelings.

(Similar condition where the Holland Tunnel ramps emerge into an unusable pseudo-park at Broome, Hudson, Watts and Varick. Looks nicer than it did, but in the case of Gansevoort/Greenwich, the vast expanse of granite blocks wins the beauty contest to my eye.)

August 5th, 2007, 05:05 PM
You're confusing the expanse at Gansevoort with the the intersection at 14th and 9th. That was always a "wide expanse" of traffic lanes.

The intention at Gansevoort is to maintain the present open environment. That's why they want to raise the cobbled streets - to blur the distinction between street and sidewalk.

August 5th, 2007, 05:08 PM
You're confusing the expanse at Gansevoort with the the intersection at 14th and 9th. That was always a "wide expanse" of traffic lanes.
You're right. My bad.

April 6th, 2008, 01:12 PM
Hey guys can you help me identify these buildings, often when I'm out I just snap away without taking notes.

This is at 15th and 9th I think:

and this is at Greenwich and Gansevoort. I love it, very neat.

April 6th, 2008, 04:15 PM
That last one is at 40 Gansevoort (http://www.ma.com/projects/40-gansevoort-street/) and is by Morris Adjmi (http://ma.com/) .

Some other buildings by Adjmi:

408 Greenwich (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4782&) (2007) in Tribeca

Scholastic Building (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9074) (2000) on Broadway in SoHo (lead arch.: Aldo Rossi)

April 6th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Thanks, how do you do it. You're like a living, walking Google.

April 6th, 2008, 08:57 PM
I live very close to one of those, hence the familiarity :cool:

The pre-cast (oversized) columns are found on each of the three I posted.

April 15th, 2009, 07:40 AM
I hope this is the right place for this.

The property addresses given below do not match those on Google Maps Street View.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/04142009/photos/market.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:SLIDES.hotlink()) BKSK Architects
IN DEVELOPMENT: Aurora Capital Associates bought the ground lease for Nos. 21-27 Ninth Ave. (above), which it will market to high-end retail tenants. Steve Cuozzo

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April 14, 2009
Posted: 1:58 am
April 14, 2009

THE Meatpacking District's relentless gentrification shows no sign of abating.

Aurora Capital Associates has just acquired a ground lease at Nos. 21-27 Ninth Ave., giving the partners control and redevelopment rights for four, three-story, 19th Century buildings.

Aurora, led by Bobby Cayre and Alex Adjmi, plans to remake the vacant structures into yet another Meatpacking destination for high-end retail -- a neighborhood that's already drawn the likes of Apple, Stella McCartney (http://www.nypost.com/topics/topic.php?t=Stella_McCartney) and Christian Loboutin.

Although no one at Aurora would comment on price, neighborhood real estate sources estimated their combined acquisition and development costs at $150 million-plus.

The site at the southwest corner of Ninth Avenue and 13th Street is across from the Gansevoort Hotel, between restaurants Pastis and Spice Market, and a stone's throw from the soon-to-open High Line park.

Aurora's VP of acquisitions and leasing, Jared Epstein, said, "The buildings were owned by a family that used them for hog-cutting in the 1970s. We structured a 49-year ground lease that presents us with the opportunity to develop one of the most prime sites in the area."

Because the buildings stand within the Gansevoort Market Historic District, they won't be torn down. With consent from the Landmarks Preservation Commission, Epstein said, "We will shore up the façades, demolish the interiors, and create an entirely new building with a dramatic retail presence," including a glass façade at ground level.

He expects to complete the job by fall 2010.

The project, with 20,000 square feet, will be designed by Manhattan-based BKSK Architects.

Epstein said, "We've already seen a lot of interest from luxury retailers."
Asked how Aurora will finance the scheme in a credit-starved world, Epstein declined to comment. But a source familiar with the project said, "These guys have the money and they have the financing."

steve.cuozzo@nypost.com (steve.cuozzo@nypost.com)


Copyright 2009 NYP Holdings, Inc.

April 15th, 2009, 08:52 AM
If everything goes well, these spaces should be ready for when the economy starts to perk up (?).

June 15th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Smoke break

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2897/meatpacking05.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meatpacking05.jpg)

June 16th, 2009, 04:44 AM
This area is hardly an "historic district" any longer.

May 24th, 2010, 04:19 PM
9th Ave & W 13th St

21-27 9th Ave. Whatever happens here, hope thy restore the cornice.
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The lot around the corner is 402 W 13th. Renderings here (http://www.pksb.com/index.php?mode=projects&category=Commercial&page=0&project_id=109).

Not sure what's happening here. Barney's was previously mentioned at the site (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10006&p=307149&viewfull=1#post307149) across from the Standard Hotel. When that fell through, 402 was rumored.

The gray building is 408 W 13th, built last year. Very nice, but not occupied yet.

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May 29th, 2010, 10:32 AM
RE: 9th Ave & W 13th St aka 21-27 9th Ave.

Here's the proposal (http://gvshp.org/lpc/2009/12/08/21-27-9th-avenue/#more-10):


A row of four Greek Revival style rowhouses, built circa 1844-1846 and altered in the 1880’s and 1920’s. Application is to construct a rooftop addition, alter a canopy,and install new storefront infill and signage.

LPC had some problems with the original submission and asked for changes. The plan was approved with modifications.

The cornice on the corner building will be restored.

Existing conditions:


The original proposal:



The modified plan was approved, with the rooftop addition set farther back, a bulkhead eliminated and the design of the railing on the upper roof simplified; an existing cast iron column at the corner (now hidden) will be revealed and that entry modified:



May 29th, 2010, 10:46 AM
DOB shows that the architect for 21-27 Ninth is BKSK (http://www.bkskarch.com/). Other projects include the NY Law School (http://www.bkskarch.com/#/4047) on Leonard Street, 124 Hudson (http://www.bkskarch.com/#/4059) in Tribeca and 25 Bond (http://www.bkskarch.com/#/4245) in Noho.

They got a partial permit (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=4&passjobnumber=120095075&passdocnumber=01) dated 5. 26.2010. They're adding a new 4th Floor with 3,038 sf for a total of 18,074 sf.

The Schedule A (http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB2ScheduleAServlet?requestid=5&passjobnumber=120095075&passdocnumber=01&allbin=1012214) shows that the plan is for two floors of retail and two floors of offices up top.

June 9th, 2010, 09:36 AM
9th Ave & W 13th St

21-27 9th Ave. Whatever happens here, hope thy restore the cornice.

Sephora nails a new site

NY POST (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/commercial/sephora_nails_new_site_xkfyi1bpJSOkfaGvLRmgVJ?CMP= OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=)
Lois Weiss
June 9, 2010

Sephora has just signed a lease for 4,500 feet of the newly redeveloped Meatpacking District site at 21-27 Ninth Avenue on the southwest corner of 13th Street.

It was just over a year ago that Post colleague Steve Cuozzo broke the news that Aurora Capital Associates, led by Bobby Cayre and Alex Adjmi, had obtained control of the four, three-story structures through a 49-year leasehold.

"We received a ton of interest from many of the world's top performing brands," said Jared Epstein, vice president of Aurora who worked the deal for the ownership ...

Last month, the building was the subject of an artistic ripoff when Anne Hathaway's boyfriend, Adam Shulman, stole a piece of the property's construction shed, which had received an artistic treatment by renowned street artist Mr. Brainwash. A Post spy caught them redhanded and a few days after their photos and the story were published, Shulman and his buds returned the artwork.


June 9th, 2010, 11:31 AM
This area is truly beautiful. I'll be happy when the lumber yard on 9th Ave is gone though.

June 10th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Sephora entering the MD is sad if you ask me. It won't be the same unique place if it starts filling up with the same chain stores that exist in every other neighborhood. This is just the beginning;
look for a future Duane Reade, Pinkberry, Subway Sandwiches, and Chipotle coming soon.

June 10th, 2010, 09:30 PM





June 11th, 2010, 07:45 AM
Sephora entering the MD is sad if you ask me.Especially there. It's the focal point, the town square of the district.

June 11th, 2010, 11:43 PM
Sephora entering the MD is sad if you ask me....

I like the idea of hot, drunk babes looking for makeup.

June 13th, 2010, 10:12 AM
That steak house neon sign sure looks good. I assume it's grandfathered and refurbished. Would the sign ordinance allow such a sign in this area if it were built from scratch?

June 13th, 2010, 12:30 PM
LPC could OK such a new neon sign if it were deemed to have historical "appropriateness" in regard to the streetscape and the character of the façades in the district (as noted here in a legal brief filed regarding a questionable CofA for the Carnegie Hill Historic District):

The LPC’s review for CofAs ("Certificate of Appropriatenss") is limited, and considers the proposal’s impact on exterior architectural features and other nearby improvements in the historic district. It focuses on “aesthetic, historical and architectural values and significance, architectural style, design, arrangement, texture, material and color.”

I say bring back this type of neon signage whenever possible.

June 13th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Cater-corner cross Ninth Avenue at the Chelsea Market (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/CHE/CHE033.htm) they've recently removed both the very modern signage that extended up the side of the building and the awning along Ninth (added pre-Landmarking in 1998). They've replaced the projecting metal signage with a simple painted sign applied to the brick and now the canopy has been minimized and is in the old time style.








June 13th, 2010, 03:34 PM
Let's see now ... this is historically appropriate?

Or is it "historically appropriate"?

June 13th, 2010, 03:59 PM
Oh, and if either "The Diner" or the "Chelsea Market" had proposed a neon sign in place of the equally-cliched inanity each so proudly sports ... would the neon proposal have been found "historically appropriate"?

Whaddyah think, lofter?

(And anyway ... what's with that crooked ol' awning? Is that high design?)

Or what's with that slug-like glass thing worming its was down the brick? Is that historically appropriate or what?

Or is it all just a bankruptcy of architectural inspiration?

June 13th, 2010, 04:16 PM
I'm glad they kept the weaving turquoise panels.

June 13th, 2010, 06:14 PM
^ Yeah, they're the best recent contribution (actually clever).

June 13th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Shredded Wheat

June 13th, 2010, 07:24 PM
Whaddyah think, lofter?

Me? I'm still trying to figure out if it should be "catty corner" or "cater-corner" :o

June 13th, 2010, 07:42 PM
I'm still trying to figure out if it should be "catty corner" or "cater-corner"
And don't forget "quatre-corner" (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cater-corner) and "kitty corner" (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cater-corner).

June 14th, 2010, 05:09 PM

June 14th, 2010, 06:59 PM
Wiki seems to think so. Click on the link.

June 14th, 2010, 07:53 PM
That's the phrase I used forever. Until WNY, anyway.

June 16th, 2010, 06:19 PM
Demo at 21-27 9th Ave.

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June 16th, 2010, 06:51 PM
That sucks. Those old buildings could have had their cornices and other details restored. I wonder what's going to be built there. I hope not a POS.

June 16th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Compare to the photos on post #43. The interior is being gutted; the outer walls remain. The vacant lot was already there.

June 16th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Thanks, Zippy. This is good news. Hopefully, they will restore the cornice.

June 18th, 2010, 10:38 PM
... if either "The Diner" or the "Chelsea Market" had proposed a neon sign in place of the equally-cliched inanity each so proudly sports ... would the neon proposal have been found "historically appropriate"?

Are you clairvoyant? Able to see what's going on up here from way down south?

In answer to your dreams, this has just gone in at Chelsea Market -- new yellow neon signage ;)











June 19th, 2010, 10:30 AM
Looks fine, but why yellow?

Btw are new flashing or animated neon signs allowed anymore outside of Times Square?

June 19th, 2010, 02:36 PM
that's great!

July 16th, 2011, 12:08 AM
21-27 9th Ave


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July 17th, 2011, 10:57 PM


I wish that more developers were as interested in creating something that actually does the city some good. It seems that a well-restored brick/stone building should be able to draw better tenants and a higher-spending crowd than the alucobond-and-glass tripe we get everywhere. I keep hoping that the Garment District, Flower District, Midtown and various areas downtown will understand that they can draw more visitors/shoppers by restoring the beautiful old stock that makes those areas worth going to. ... And yet, they keep tearing down the beautiful to replace it with its antithesis and nemesis, the Kaufman.

July 18th, 2011, 05:18 PM

July 18th, 2011, 09:37 PM
This restored building will soon be home to Sephora.

July 19th, 2011, 08:56 PM
This restored building will soon be home to Sephora.

That's good. This area's filled with hot babes. That Sephora will be a good place for guys to "window shop".

July 21st, 2011, 05:59 AM
Grass-Covered Walls to Take Over Gansevoort Plaza

By Andrea Swalec (http://www.dnainfo.com/20110720/chelsea-hells-kitchen/grasscovered-walls-take-over-gansevoort-plaza/comments)


MEATPACKING DISTRICT — A collection of 3-foot-high grass-covered walls will grow in Gansevoort Plaza this spring, the artist behind the collection revealed at a community board meeting Monday night.

Twenty-four structures made of structured turf will take up a 50-by-50-foot space in the cobblestone-covered open intersection of Gansevoort and Greenwich streets in the Meatpacking District, a block east of the High Line Park's southernmost entrance.

The installation, which will be called "The Wall Project," will be installed in the plaza from April 2 - April 30, 2012, artist and architect Karen Bausman said in a presentation to the Arts & Institutions Committee of Community Board 2.

"It challenges our notion of how we interact with the city," Bausman, who wore a 10-gallon hat to the meeting, said her maze-like creation will offer "freedom from the grid."

Bausman created the project after analyzing records from Manhattan's 1811 Planning Commission, which established the grid pattern of many city streets.

The Wall Project is "an homage to the Indian footpaths and village lanes from which the city's modern grid emerged," Bausman's website on the project (http://thewallproject.tumblr.com/) explains.

The project is supported in part by the Department of Transportation's Urban Art program, its manager, Emily Colasacco, said Monday.

The Urban Arts program provides artists up to $5,000 to create temporary art installations "to foster more vibrant and attractive streets and offer the public new ways to experience New York City's streetscapes," the program's website says.

The program was created by DOT Commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan, Colasacco said.

In response to a community board member's question about whether the installation would harm the plaza's cobblestone, Bausman said the grass-covered structures will be attached to the ground with water-filled trays.

"We won't be destroying the cobblestone at all," she said.


July 21st, 2011, 10:56 AM
Sheesh. Looks like nothing more than cut sod stacked atop one another. That will stay green for about 2 days.

July 24th, 2011, 11:29 AM
Sheesh. Looks like nothing more than cut sod stacked atop one another. That will stay green for about 2 days.

Two days? In this heat I'd give it two hours.

December 4th, 2011, 08:58 PM
21-27 9th Ave

Sephora on the ground floor. Restaurant, Catch, on the 2nd floor, 3rd, and roof.

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New building at 402 West 13th St is complete, but no tenant yet.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7430/meatpacking113c.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/meatpacking113c.jpg/)

It's about time for a permanent design for the plaza.

December 20th, 2011, 05:30 AM
Not too bad at all.

Ninth Avenue Rowhouses Get Historic-Looking Retail Remake

by Dave Hogarty


Redesigning a row of buildings in a historic district is a minefield of both opportunity and pitfalls. BKSK Architects (http://www.bksk.com/)' work on West 13th Street and Ninth Avenue is a good example of how the job can be done by maintaining historical integrity, while adding upwards without needing to apologize. Early renderings for 21-27 Ninth Avenue (across from the Gansevoort Hotel) showed the addition of a glass box on top of the series of what were originally rowhouses, culminating in a fourth structure on the corner that once housed a saloon. The final build of BKSK Architects' project split that glass box topper into three visually distinct additions that echo the parallel row-house form underneath. The end result is a handsome update on Ninth Avenue that shows how the architecture of a historic district can be updated to reflect its changing uses without appearing bluntly overbearing).

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(click to enlarge)

The steel frame marquee is new, and almost seems like an obligatory visual reminder that one is in the Meatpacking District, like billboard ads that are required in Times Square. The corner building at 27 Ninth Avenue was originally a saloon, later completely bricked up, and in a complete 180 turnabout now serves as the glass-enclosed entrance to Sephora. A restored cast iron pillar anchors the entrance on the corner and to the building's past. The cosmetics store now extends the full length of the properties on the street, while the restaurant Catch occupies the upper floors. Wherever possible, the architects chose to retain historical details like cast iron pilasters.

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/12/19/ninth_avenue_rowhouses_get_historiclooking_retail_ remake.php

December 21st, 2011, 08:06 AM
More good MeatPacking District news. It looks like the gas station under the Highline at 14th Street has shuttered to make way for 17k s.f. of luxury retail:


December 21st, 2011, 11:22 AM
21-27 9th Ave

Sephora on the ground floor. Restaurant, Catch, on the 2nd floor, 3rd, and roof.

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New building at 402 West 13th St is complete, but no tenant yet.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7430/meatpacking113c.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/meatpacking113c.jpg/)

It's about time for a permanent design for the plaza.

I guess then the new floor is a rooftop patio for the restaurant?

December 21st, 2011, 11:49 AM
CATCH restaurant website (http://emmgroupinc.com/restaurant-Catch.php) has a full gallery of interior shots. The place is designed to the nth degree.

Here's what they say about the rooftop (which seems to be this month's Place to Party (http://www.urbanpartylife.com/2011/11/17/amare-stoudemire-and-fabolous-celebrate-their-birthdays-at-catch-roof-new-york/)):

CATCH ROOF (http://emmgroupinc.com/night-catch.php)

The CATCH Rooftop is a new jewel along Manhattan's downtown skyline. Resting atop the two story CATCH restaurant, the rooftop lounge is enclosed by glass and surrounded on three sides by a wrapping outdoor terrace. Both inside and out, guests are treated to panoramic views of the historic MEATPACKING DISTRICT, while looking down on its trademark cobblestone streets. Inside, iCrave Designs has conceived an interior of rich brown banquets and lacquered walls. The standout feature in the intimate, 200 person space is the overhead lighting, made up of row after row of oversized cylindrical bulbs that cast a soft light to patrons below, and flicker in pace with the music.

January 11th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Steve Cuozzo (http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/food/attention_foodies_don_join_this_velXUgLRYjcTHmP1RS JKaJ) Hates Catch ...

Or take EMM Group’s new, celeb-infested Catch — please. The Meatpacking District monster was hosting a party for rapper Common on its fourth floor, so those bound for the second- and third-floor restaurant got looks of steel and “Name, please,” from clipboard-wielding bouncers.

Our waiter noted that dishes from — I counted — 357 categories are sent out as a “steady, streaming thing.” Translation: when the kitchen feels like it.

Spaghetti was plopped on top of and inside a Dungeness crab shell. (Scary news: It tasted good.) Scorching-hot rice cakes were topped with ice-cold tuna tartare. Do you use a fork, fingers or a glove?

Where do they find so many big spenders to drop $30 on a 3-inch square of swordfish? Who guzzles Perrier-Jouet on Monday night, as a happy, hat-wearing trio were doing?

The third-floor open kitchen is big enough to feed the crews of several aircraft carriers. Common and his entourage held down a long table. “We have to feed people before they go up there and get drunk,” a manager cheerfully observed.

January 11th, 2012, 02:26 PM
Sounds great.

Yet another place you need to know someone before you can get in, and after you need $$ to even drink water.

So cool.

January 13th, 2012, 05:52 PM
I can't wait for the lousy lumber yard on 9th to close.

May 2nd, 2012, 10:05 PM
Permits say this building is getting an addition. From 75' to 100'

No movement on the site west of this where a Jeneane Gang designed building will rise.

No action yet either on Adjmi's addition to this.

Gas station closed.

May 3rd, 2012, 05:32 AM
^^ That was the coolest-looking gas station in the city. Oh well, I'm not going to mourn the loss of a gas station.

September 10th, 2012, 12:09 AM
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August 29th, 2013, 09:20 AM
From Scuzzy To Chic, How Meatpacking Evolved Since 1985

by Hana R. Alberts


[West 14th Street in 1985 (left) and today (right). All photos by Brian Rose (http://www.brianrose.com/blog/2013/08/new-yorkmeatpacking-district-4/).]

Photographer Brian Rose (http://www.brianrose.com) has grown accustomed to chronicling urban change, one neighborhood at a time. Two years after producing a photo series (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/11/04/photographer_brian_roses_30year_project_documents_ changing_face_of_les.php) with side-by-side shots of the Lower East Side of 1980 and today, he's done the same with (http://www.brianrose.com/blog/2013/08/new-yorkmeatpacking-district-4/) the Meatpacking District (h/t Vanishing NY (http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2013/08/meatpacking-before-after.html)). Rose originally turned his lens (http://www.brianrose.com/blog/2012/12/new-yorkmeatpacking-district/) to the area in 1985, well before gentrification took hold: "In the morning the meat-packing district was a vast open air scene of carnage. Sides of beef were hung from hooks that slid along overhead conveyors. Men in bloodied white coveralls grappled with the carcasses. ... As evening approached another kind of meat market took over—this one human trade–as prostitutes prowled the empty streets, many of them transvestites, overly tall females tottering about on high heels, while men in black leather sought the anonymous doors of sex clubs."

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[Washington Street in 1985 (top) and today (bottom).]

The general feel of the neighborhood didn't really change (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/05/23/revisit_the_rundown_prehigh_line_mepa_of_the_90s.p hp) till the late 90s, as Jeremiah Moss of Vanishing New York so neatly describes (http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2013/08/meatpacking-before-after.html), when artists started crowding in for cheap rent and a few eateries opened to which trendsetters flocked. A decade passed. Now that the neighborhood is chockablock with top-label fashion boutiques, brunch spots with outdoor seating, art galleries, and the High Line, Rose decided to capture the modern-day equivalents (http://www.brianrose.com/blog/2013/08/new-yorkmeatpacking-district-4/) of his snaps from 28 years ago.

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[Hudson and 14th Street in 1985 (top) and today (bottom).]

The before-and-after documentation of ritizified areas has been done before, of course, with neighborhoods like Tribeca (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/03/12/tribecas_radical_transformation_highlighted_in_old _photos.php) and many others (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/08/21/then_and_now.php) proving ripe for this kind of treatment.

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[Washington Street in 1985 (top) and today (bottom).]

There's no clearer way to illustrate the passage of time, or the wiles of urban development, as Moss summarizes (http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2013/08/meatpacking-before-after.html): "Brian Rose's photos tell the story of the Meatpacking District's massive shift, one photo pairing at a time—from quiet to crowds, low-rise to high-rise, rusted awnings to fresh coats of paint, meat houses to high-end boutiques, clunkers to luxury cars, poultry trucks to artisanal ice-cream trucks."

Brian Rose: New York/Meatpacking District (Then and Now) (http://www.brianrose.com/blog/2013/08/new-yorkmeatpacking-district-4/) [official]
Meatpacking Before & After (http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2013/08/meatpacking-before-after.html) [Jeremiah's Vanishing NY]
Photographer Brian Rose's 30-Year Project Documents Changing Face of LES (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/11/04/photographer_brian_roses_30year_project_documents_ changing_face_of_les.php) [Curbed]
Visit the Rundown, Pre-High Line MePa of the 1990s (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/05/23/revisit_the_rundown_prehigh_line_mepa_of_the_90s.p hp) [Curbed]
Tribeca's Radical Transformation Highlighted In Old Photos (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/03/12/tribecas_radical_transformation_highlighted_in_old _photos.php) [Curbed]

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/08/28/from_scuzzy_to_chic_how_meatpacking_evolved_since_ 1985.php#more

August 29th, 2013, 01:31 PM
From scuzzy to chic to jumped the shark?

August 29th, 2013, 10:31 PM
So it's on the decline?

August 29th, 2013, 10:34 PM
Not if you like cupcakes and ice cream cones.

August 29th, 2013, 10:46 PM
...overpriced/rated cupcakes and cones.

August 31st, 2013, 01:28 PM
From a real estate/profitability standpoint, not at all.

As a place that has any edge to it? Yeah, probably. It's been fully tamed.

So it's on the decline?

September 2nd, 2013, 11:58 AM
This place used to be a rank, disgusting hole. Now, it's very beautiful.

I remember going to a party here 20 years ago and walking outside and seeing transvestites, druggies, and other thugs. Now, at 2:00 a.m., the area is filled with beautiful young women navigating the cobblestones in high heels.

That being said, I can't wait for that crappy Interstate Meat Co. to vacate.

September 2nd, 2013, 03:53 PM
You're correct, it looks much better now. But it was the juxtaposition of the clubbers, bikers, meatpakers, and tranny hookers that gave the place it's edge.

This place used to be a rank, disgusting hole. Now, it's very beautiful.

I remember going to a party here 20 years ago and walking outside and seeing transvestites, druggies, and other thugs. Now, at 2:00 a.m., the area is filled with beautiful young women navigating the cobblestones in high heels.

That being said, I can't wait for that crappy Interstate Meat Co. to vacate.

September 3rd, 2013, 09:35 AM
It is like all the other trendy places in town. I remember working on an independent production in Alphabet City a good 20 years ago and not feeling very comfy getting off the subway and walking alone at night there.

Now? I can't afford to walk there... ;)

The industrial area in Jersey City with the squatters in the old warehouses. Uber-chic... now they have been bought out, shoved out, and condo-ized. Everyone wants cool, but people will only pay for "clean" cool... which really is not that cool anymore...

January 16th, 2015, 09:44 PM
The Pastis site has been leased to the furniture chain, Restoration Hardware. Three floors will be added.

Another big mistake in what's supposed to be the neighborhood's piazza. The renovation a block north looks nice, but the restaurant is upstairs. Sephora adds little to the street atmosphere. Pastis was indoor-outdoor, noisy - just what was needed. No residents to complain. Now a furniture store. Fits right in.


There's word that Pastis may reopen somewhere else in the neighborhood, possibly around the corner on Gansevoort St

The Gansevoort Market (http://ny.eater.com/2014/10/28/7083095/a-tour-through-gansevoort-market-a-maze-of-sushi-tapas-tacos-and-more#4330634)


January 21st, 2015, 05:31 PM
Walking is still free. Eating and drinking, on the other hand....

It is like all the other trendy places in town. I remember working on an independent production in Alphabet City a good 20 years ago and not feeling very comfy getting off the subway and walking alone at night there.

Now? I can't afford to walk there... ;)

April 1st, 2015, 04:06 PM
It may be getting Midtown-esque businesses, but the title is over the top.

Is the Meatpacking District the Next Midtown?

Posted Today, April 1, 2015 By Dana Schulz

Rendering of 860 Washington Street, via James Carpenter Design Associates

We tend to think of the Meatpacking District (http://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/west-village) as more of an after-hours or weekend destination for cocktails and shopping, but a piece in the Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/realestate/commercial/meatpacking-districts-next-act-includes-an-influx-of-office-space-and-more.html?_r=0) today looks at the “influx of office space and more” moving into the neighborhood.

In addition to the much-anticipated opening on May 1st (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/new-whitney-museum-building-to-open-in-may/?_r=0) of Renzo Piano’s new Whitney Museum (http://www.6sqft.com/looking-back-at-the-gansevoort-pumping-station-the-building-the-new-whitney-museum-replaced/) along the High Line, a James Carpenter-designed 10-story glass commercial tower and Samsung’s six-story flagship building are taking shape across from the Standard Hotel (http://www.6sqft.com/friendswithyou-light-cave-provides-an-interactive-art-experience-at-the-standard-high-line/). And let’s not forget about Pier 55 (http://www.6sqft.com/pier-55-floating-park-gets-a-lease-deal/), the $130 million futuristic floating park that is expected to break ground in 2016 off West 14th Street. With all of these new cultural attractions that will undoubtedly attract tourists, coupled with big-name companies joining the likes of Google in the area, is the Meatpacking District the new Midtown?

Rendering of 837 Washington Street via Morris Adjmi Architects (http://www.ma.com/)

The James Carpenter (http://jcdainc.com/)-designed 860 Washington Street will replace a low-scale meat-cooler facility, the building type that once dominated the industrial area. The first floor will house retail space to be leased for $600/square foot; by comparison, the average ground-floor retail space is about $340/square foot, according to Karen Bellantoni of brokerage company RKF. The second floor will also boast retail and open directly to the High Line for $300/square foot. The upper floors will be leased out as office space. The developers, Property Group Partners in partnership with Romanoff Equities, hope to attract tenants from the finance and law fields, traditionally associated with Midtown. This past summer, Samsung leased the entire building at 837 Washington Street, the Morris Adjmi (http://www.6sqft.com/morris-adjmis-nyc-industrial-revolution/)-designed glass and steel trapezoidal structure built on top of a historic brick building. Large tech companies such as this are also more commonly found in Midtown, with their smaller counterparts heading to Union Square.

Rendering of the new Pastis building via BKSK Architects (http://www.bkskarch.com/)

Even the neighborhood’s local restaurants and bars, which became synonymous with the area during the Cosmo-drinking reign of Sex and the City, are being replaced with high-end retail. For example, the famed French bistro Pastis is being replaced with a Restoration Hardware, and the building is getting a glass topper by BKSK Architects.

Gansevoort Plaza in the Meatpacking District, via CityRealty

Some fear that the move toward commercial buildings will affect the historic character of the Meatpacking District. Andrew Berman, Executive Director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation, who opposed the design for 860 Washington Street, told the Times: “This next stage of its evolution to a high-end office district I fear will make the meatpacking district feel even more indistinguishable from Midtown. There is no denying that the district has traveled a long way from its workingman roots, and there is no turning the clock back.” However, Stuart Romanoff, a vice chairman at Cushman & Wakefield, said: “Tenants today want the ability to attract employees, they want lifestyle, they want entertainment, they want the restaurants, they want the hospitality and they want the park. The unique thing about the meatpacking district is it has all those elements converging.”