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rocco
December 1st, 2003, 01:12 AM
http://www.angelfire.com/goth/1x1nyc/images/pa140038.jpg

Washington Square, made famous around the world by Henry James' great novel.

What building is that in center of the background?

Clarknt67
December 1st, 2003, 01:45 AM
That's 1 Fifth Ave. a residential co-op highrise.

emmeka
December 1st, 2003, 02:05 PM
Id love to have the address 1 fifth avenue.

especially if it was like, apartment 236, 45th floor, international tower, 1 fifth avenue, Manhattan, New York, NY, USA.

NYatKNIGHT
December 1st, 2003, 05:28 PM
More Washington Square:

The arch still under reconstruction
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/arch.sized.jpg

1 Fifth Avenue
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/1FifthAve.sized.jpg

NYU's new Kimmel Center
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/kimmel.sized.jpg

View east across the park
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/WSP_statues.sized.jpg

The Row - Washington Square North, last winter
http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/WSP_the_row_1.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/WSP_arch1.sized.jpg

BrooklynRider
December 3rd, 2003, 10:25 AM
That Kimmel Center is totally out of context. Horrible building.

billyblancoNYC
December 3rd, 2003, 10:32 AM
Awful, indeed.

Kris
December 3rd, 2003, 10:39 AM
That Kimmel Center is totally out of context. Horrible building.
Ironic considering its objective was obviously to blend in. The camouflage is a miserable failure.

emmeka
December 3rd, 2003, 11:27 AM
Its not so bad.

TLOZ Link5
December 3rd, 2003, 11:42 AM
Considering it's right next to the Bobst Library, I prefer Kimmel. :roll:

emmeka
December 3rd, 2003, 11:50 AM
Actually, i like it, the subtle pastil colours are quite a nice break from the sharp white of the arch and the harsh brown of some of the surrounding buildings.

billyblancoNYC
December 3rd, 2003, 01:55 PM
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if it was just the facade, minus that hideous mass on the right side (if you're facing it). Also, maybe if it was all the glass and not the blonde brick mixed in. I just don't like it, but it could be a lot worse.

NYatKNIGHT
December 3rd, 2003, 02:32 PM
Here are a few more of the Kimmel Center, since that seems to be the topic of discussion.....

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/kimmel_1.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/kimmel_3.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/kimmel_5.sized.jpg

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/kimmel_8.sized.jpg

Kris
December 3rd, 2003, 02:56 PM
Stomach-turning. Morbid and pathetic like a product of childhood regression.

Clarknt67
December 3rd, 2003, 03:10 PM
Id love to have the address 1 fifth avenue.

Lots and lots of people agree with you, that's why the co-ops are so expensive. Nicole Miller & Brian DePalma are two people I know call 1 Fifth home.

GLNY
December 3rd, 2003, 03:16 PM
Considering it's right next to the Bobst Library, I prefer Kimmel. :roll:

I'd raze Kimmel and the (suicide-inducing) Bobst and expand Washington Sq's dog run.

TLOZ Link5
December 3rd, 2003, 03:57 PM
Amen to that. Kimmel does have a nice dining hall, but they don't accept meal plans.

As for Bobst, one of the guys on my floor was roomates with the second jumper during orientation. So it definitely hit him hard.

GLNY
December 3rd, 2003, 04:19 PM
As for Bobst, one of the guys on my floor was roomates with the second jumper during orientation. So it definitely hit him hard.

Years ago, we were aware of the ostensible purpose of the Bobst atrium floor design, but recent events at NYU have greatly saddened me and other alums.

TLOZ Link5
December 3rd, 2003, 05:16 PM
Unfortunately, now they are in the process of enclosing the atrium walkways in Plexiglas.

emmeka
December 4th, 2003, 08:15 AM
I like the base, its nice and glassy;

http://galleries.soaringtowers.org/albums/NYatKNIGHT/kimmel_5.sized.jpg

TLOZ Link5
December 4th, 2003, 01:06 PM
There's a grand staircase that leads up to the second floor, which has a lounge for commuters and computer terminals. You get into the rest of the building by swiping your ID card at the turnstiles, which are very similar to the ones on the London Underground. There's a dining hall on the third floor which is widely considered the best one on "campus," but it doesn't offer meal plans. There's an auditorium on the fourth floor, not to mention a much larger one for performing-arts venues in the basement, which is accessible through its own entrance on LaGuardia Place (West Broadway). Much of the rest of the building is occupied by meeting space for clubs, screening rooms, student affairs offices, etc.

It's much nicer-looking than Loeb, and was designed by Roche & Dinkeloo.

dbhstockton
December 4th, 2003, 02:27 PM
It's nicer looking than Loeb in terms of materials and fit-and-finish, but the design is an absolute atrocity. There isn't one angle to look at it that doesn't hurt. Someone -- either the architects, the contracters, or the patrons -- should be arrested for vandalism.

UrbanSculptures
February 8th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Oh man... stomach churning, I can't believe that NYU got permits to build that monstrosity. I grew up at 1 University Place, that 22 story building on the corner of University and Waverly and that park was my playground.

We moved in just as the Bobst Library was nearing completion circa 1971, the shell was up but the interior was still under construction. I thought it was a horrible bloody looking box then and still do.
NYU has done more to destroy the character and charm of Greenwich Village and especially Washington Square Park than any other entity I can think of.

After seeing these photos it makes me glad I'm no longer there to see this in person, those buildings are totally out of place and I read that I think even udson church was possibly going to be demolished or altered but they tore down the parish hall to build there?

Nothing is sacred from NYU's land grabbing demolition machine. They even tore down the building Edgar A Poe lived in which my cousins and his family once owned and operated the well known long time Bertolotti's Italian Restaurant on the ground floor of.


Did the Loeb Student Center get demolished to build this new building?

UrbanSculptures
February 8th, 2004, 03:43 PM
I have a photo I took in 1977 from almost exactly that same spot looking towards the arch, I'll upload it.

For this post here is a view from 1940 from 1 Fifth Avenue;

http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/collections/exhibits/bobst/washsq/tour/tour_20c/large/south40.gif

http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/collections/exhibits/bobst/washsq/tour/tour_20c/large/south25.gif

And this is where the Bobst Library is now, 1925 view, only the building on the left remains.

You can find the building with the pointed gabled facade in both photos as a visual landmark, it appears in the extreme left on the 1940 view.


And in this 1936 view you can see Judson Church in the distance and also the vacant lot across the street (towards the camera) in this view as well as in the 1940 view. So it looks like that Coca Cola sign/restaurant in that corner building was replaced or altered by 1940

http://www.lostnewyorkcity.com/forums/uploads/post-3-1076274132.jpg

UrbanSculptures
February 8th, 2004, 03:54 PM
1977 view I took

http://www.lostnewyorkcity.com/forums/uploads/post-3-1076273540.jpg

UrbanSculptures
February 8th, 2004, 03:56 PM
1974 view looking down from the roof of 1 University Place looking West towards South.

I did what Photoshop could do on the original but the day the photo was made it was hazy, the print was in a flood and it is after all 30 years old instamatic...

http://www.lostnewyorkcity.com/forums/uploads/post-3-1076273585.jpg

UrbanSculptures
February 8th, 2004, 04:27 PM
As for Bobst, one of the guys on my floor was roomates with the second jumper during orientation. So it definitely hit him hard.

Seoncd jumper? what all happpened with that??

TLOZ Link5
February 8th, 2004, 10:19 PM
The second jumper was a few weeks after the first. There's a lot of speculation as to why he jumped because he seemed happy (that's a bit of a cliché right there); some people say that he was high on something or other, which is something I don't want to believe. His former roomate, who is on my floor, is quoted in both the Daily News and the Post, though the Post misquoted him and spelled his name wrong.

In response to your other post, I definitely know One University Place. It's the beautiful old building across Waverly—I think—from the Silver Center, NYU's main building. I'm kinda familiar with your photo of the site of Bobst in 1925; I've seen it in a window on a building on University Place. The building on the far left that still exists is a dormitory (either Goddard or Hayden, I forget which), and there's a Starbuck's on the ground floor that used to be the Violet Café.

The tall loft building in the photograph also still exists. It is called Shimkin Hall, and is across Schwartz Plaza from Bobst. It houses NYU's Information Center, as well as classroom and office space for the Stern School of Business and the General Studies Program.

UrbanSculptures
February 20th, 2004, 09:02 PM
Where's my buddy NYatKnight!

I found a VERY old stereo view card of Washington Sq park, according to what I was able to find out about the publisher it dates to the 1860's or earlier and was made by P.F. Weil, New York.

I did a composite using a modern view of NYatKnight's of the park's NE corner in comparison with the stereoview.


Trying to figure out exactly where the view was made which is difficult since the field of view is small and mostly a lot of trees. I was however able to enlarge a scan of it and believe the view is in the NE portion of the park looking North towards the row of 3 story buildings which do show up better behind the trees in a greatly enlarged scan.
Only thing is, a 1936 photo I posted here from the SE looking towards Judson Church shows similar 3 story buildings on the SE side of the park very similar to those on the North.

Here is a composite of a modern view (left) de-colorized shown with part of the stereoview on the right.
Interesting gazebo's, there are two of them in the original view.




http://www.lostnewyorkcity.com/forums/uploads/post-3-1077328769.jpg

One can just make out shutters by the windows on the ground floor and a stoop or two.

VictorG
February 21st, 2004, 12:06 AM
I find this segment very interesting. In the late 1930s my father had a Northern Italian restaurant on the site of the present NYU Law School. My parents lived nearby on Sullivan Street. I agree that NYU builds building that are out of character and not sensitive to the area.

NYatKNIGHT
February 21st, 2004, 05:02 PM
You're right lostnyc, it's a view of the row of houses lining the north side of the park, east of 5th Avenue. Neat photo, though none of those structures look familiar. Any more old photos?

UrbanSculptures
February 21st, 2004, 05:27 PM
Any more old photos?

I will see later tonight about putting up a scan of the overall view of 1/2 of the card in context, the gazebo you see part of was really nice and very gothic styled to match the original gothic styled NYU main building (1835) and the church across the street (both demolished) The current NYU main building is from 1894
Going back further the park was a military parade ground and fairly bare, so all those trees shown must have been planted somewhere between the 1820's and 1860's since the older views of the parade grounds shows a flat dirt field with I assume grass in the center and some trees around the perimeter where the streets are.

Like Central Park it was largely man-made and few of the original trees existed.

NYatKNIGHT
February 21st, 2004, 05:46 PM
There is one tree in the northwest corner of the park with a sign on it that says "The Hanging Elm", used for hanging people early on - I believe pre-1800, but I'll check. I think I even have a photo, but can't post it until later.

UrbanSculptures
February 22nd, 2004, 01:07 AM
There is one tree in the northwest corner of the park with a sign on it that says "The Hanging Elm", used for hanging people early on - I believe pre-1800, but I'll check. I think I even have a photo, but can't post it until later.

Yes that IS correct and it is located on the NW corner, so in this stereo view you would walk forward towards and past the gazebos and then turn left (West) about one city block to where that tree is.

Here is the full scan of one half of the card showing more context;


http://www.lostnewyorkcity.com/forums/uploads/post-3-1077429859.jpg

The trees for the most part in this view look rather small except the one in the foreground.

UrbanSculptures
February 22nd, 2004, 01:23 AM
Here is a much older bird's eye type view from the North-West looking towards the South-East corner.

The original main building (1831- demolished 1894) is on the left and the church I mentioned is to the right. The street between them would be the future scene of the disasterous Triangle Waste Shirt fire in 1911

http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/collections/exhibits/bobst/washsq/history/artists/large/Boetticher1851.gif

As you can see the park was mainly just a treeless flat excepting it's perimeter. Supposedly this is an 1851 painting but it may represent the park at an earlier time than 1851, the stereoview card dates to the 1860's early 1870's the latest so in that span trees were planted, benches, foot paths laid out, grass planted and those gazebos installed.
Quite a difference.

TLOZ Link5
February 22nd, 2004, 01:44 PM
I know that church; such a lovely building. I had no idea that it was so old.

UrbanSculptures
February 22nd, 2004, 04:37 PM
I know that church; such a lovely building. I had no idea that it was so old.

I have seen a closeup picture of it somewhere, it was a Dutch Reformed church, I'll have to see if I can find it again. It was demolished by 1896

http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/collections/exhibits/bobst/washsq/tour/tour_blg/large/WSP12.html

The original structure on this site was The South Dutch Reformed Church
(later the Asbury Methodist Episcopal Church).

TLOZ Link5
February 22nd, 2004, 05:44 PM
Hmmm, nevermind. I thought it was the same church that's on or around that site now. Washington Square South, right?

UrbanSculptures
February 22nd, 2004, 05:52 PM
Hmmm, nevermind. I thought it was the same church that's on or around that site now. Washington Square South, right?

No, that church is Judson's Memorial on the South, this one was on the East across the street from the main building. Judsons was built around 1893 I think.

Havnt located the photo I remember seeing, I think it was an old stereoview or cabinet card.

londonlawyer
March 25th, 2006, 02:10 PM
They better not do that. Quick: somebody call the Landmarks Commission! Oh...they're all asleep or on the take.

Or are they just driveling idiots?

Outcome's the same, no matter which.

Where's the Catholic Center? Does anyone have a photo?

czsz
March 25th, 2006, 02:26 PM
It's next to the NYU student centre on the south side of Washington Square:

http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GV/GV057-06.jpg

lofter1
March 25th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Arch.: Eggers & Higgins (built from 1961-64).

A recent article from the NYU paper ( http://www.nyunews.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/03/08/440e8f350f5cd ) ...



Historic NYU chapel to be torn down

Rebecca Kritzer
Contributing Writer
March 08, 2006

A hangman’s house turned house of God, the Catholic Center at NYU has its share of idiosyncrasies — including a six-pointed star.

But after 42 years of sitting on Washington Square South, the building and its stained-glass Star of David will be torn down at the end of the summer because of its dire conditions, financial issues stemming from a pricey energy bill and the possibility of better utilizing of the space.

The 315-person capacity chapel, which currently serves the NYU Roman Catholic community, will be rebuilt in two or three years. The smaller 100-person capacity chapel will only occupy part of the 35,000 square foot plot, said Father John P. McGuire, the Director of the Catholic Center. It is not known what will be built in the remaining space...

Many photos of the exterior of the Catholic Center here: http://www.pbase.com/hjsteed/wss_catholic_center

The Interior ( and info on the organ: http://www.nycago.org/Organs/NYC/html/HolyTrinChapelNYU.html ) :

http://www.nycago.org/Organs/NYC/img/HolyTrinChapelNYUInt1.jpg

czsz
March 25th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Eh, what qualifies as historic now? Apparently only idiosyncratic Christian churches containing Jewish imagery (no one seems to care about all the Christian stained glass symbology...)

lofter1
March 25th, 2006, 05:33 PM
I've got no problem with this one coming down.

It made much better sense as architecture when it was paired with the previous student center building.

My big concern is what goes UP afterwards ... seeing as how NYU has pretty much managed to overbuild all along the southern edge of Washington Square.

The big expanse of blank brick wall on the new student center just next door seemingly assures that what will be built here will have some height -- and will add to the blunt "plateau-effect" along that edge of the park.

czsz
March 25th, 2006, 05:53 PM
The NYU buildings on the south side aren't really taller than any of the older buildings along the east and west.

lofter1
March 25th, 2006, 05:55 PM
A shot from 2003, with the Catholic Center now dwarfed by the new Student Center and the Law building rising behind Judson Memorial Church -- effectively creating a plateau between the Library at left all the way across the south edge of the Park:


http://nycparks.org/Photo_Collection/images/photos/Manhattan/M098_1078519017.jpg

lofter1
March 25th, 2006, 05:57 PM
The NYU buildings on the south side aren't really taller than any of the older buildings along the east and west.
Right -- now they're all pretty much the same height.

Until about 5 years ago there was still some openness to the south, but now ...

The Square within the Box.

lofter1
March 25th, 2006, 06:06 PM
A painting by Edward Hopper ... (sorry to stay off topic, but it's the weekend) :

http://www.thecityreview.com/wsquar6.gif

"November, Washington Square"
by Edward Hopper, 1932 and 1959
oil on canvas, 34 1/8 by 50 1/4 inches
Santa Barbara Museum of Art
Gift of Mrs. Sterling Morton to the Preston Morton Collection

http://www.thecityreview.com/wsquare.html

londonlawyer
March 25th, 2006, 06:23 PM
They're Tearing That Awesome Church Down???? Have People In This City Gone F....ing Mad?

lofter1
March 25th, 2006, 06:42 PM
Nope, not that one ... that's Judson Memorial in the painting.

They're tearing down the Brutalist Catholic Center across the street.

I posted the Hopper painting because it captured my yearning for open space at the southern edge of WSP -- like in days gone by ......

londonlawyer
March 27th, 2006, 08:06 AM
Nope, not that one ... that's Judson Memorial in the painting.

They're tearing down the Brutalist Catholic Center across the street.

I posted the Hopper painting because it captured my yearning for open space at the southern edge of WSP -- like in days gone by ......

That's a relief! I was about to vomit.

Fabrizio
March 27th, 2006, 10:10 AM
What a shame a building is going behind that rare and beautiful bell tower. It´s sillouhette against the sky was romantic.

lofter1
March 27th, 2006, 10:54 AM
Yes ^^ it is a shame ... that one (NYU Law building) has been complete for a couple of years now.

ablarc
January 19th, 2007, 01:11 PM
It made much better sense as architecture when it was paired with the previous student center building.
This is true, but it's still a shame.

To my eye, a beautiful building.

Caught in the forty-year mangle.

Modernist monuments will eventually grow as rare as Beaux-Arts --or maybe they're there already.

lofter1
January 19th, 2007, 03:34 PM
To my eye, a beautiful building.

Caught in the forty-year mangle.

Do you mean the previous student center?

I can't find a photo of it, but I always liked its simplicity & scale ...

Plus it was the type of "international style" building I could build with a plastic "architecture model kit" from the '60s that I had when I was a kid --

Where did those kits all go?? Now such a kit can't even be found on ebay :confused:

MidtownGuy
January 19th, 2007, 03:39 PM
I think he means the Catholic Center, and I agree.

lofter1
February 2nd, 2007, 01:14 PM
The view from the 10th Floor at Kimmel (http://www.nyu.edu/kimmel.center/) is awesome; it's in the mansard-style section up top and has glass all around:

http://www.nyu.edu/kimmel.center/images/outside-big.jpg

A pic (http://flickr.com/search/?q=kimmel&w=64012016%40N00) of the wide view at Flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/134999636_b3cc3a895b.jpg?v=0

tmg
August 6th, 2007, 11:17 PM
The Villager
Volume 77, Number 9 | August 01 - 07, 2007
N.Y.U. covets the Catholic Center but in humility would build small
By Lincoln Anderson

A year ago, when the news broke that the Catholic Archdiocese planned to demolish its Trinity Chapel at New York University, the university was quick to quash any speculation that it was interested in the prime property on the south side of Washington Square Park.

The university’s position then was unusual, but not surprising, especially considering the torrent of criticism N.Y.U. had recently taken from the community over the construction of its new Kimmel Center and Law School building — two large edifices that significantly bulked up the mass of architecture looming over the south side of the square.

But last Wednesday, John Sexton, N.Y.U.’s president, in an exclusive interview, told The Villager that, to the contrary, N.Y.U. is now extremely interested in the N.Y.U. Catholic Center, and, in fact, is close to reaching a deal with the archdiocese to buy it.

“I’d say it’s very likely,” Sexton said regarding closing the deal. “We’re feeling very good about where the cardinal’s people and my people have brought conversations.”

N.Y.U. would develop the site — on Thompson St. between Washington Square S. and W. Third St. — with a new building, possibly around seven stories tall, which would include an interfaith center, probably classrooms and possibly offices, Sexton said. The interfaith center would be used by Christian, Jewish and Muslim students.

“We would be unlikely to use it for residential,” Sexton added.

The building would also have a condo owned by the Catholic Church for use as a chapel, probably about one-third the current chapel’s size.

Sexton said the university hopes to seal the deal at least by Thanksgiving and, in the best-case scenario, as soon as Labor Day.

The university president said the alternative to N.Y.U.’s project would be a mixed-use building — double the size of the N.Y.U. project — constructed by a private developer that would contain a church for the archdiocese’s use and residential condos overlooking Washington Square Park.

In an interview two days before Sexton’s comments, Joseph Zwilling, the Catholic Archdiocese’s spokesperson, neither confirmed nor denied that a sale to N.Y.U. was in the works, or that any private developer was interested in the site, either.

“Until we reach an agreement, we really have nothing to say,” Zwilling said.

However, in response to follow-up calls after Sexton’s interview last Wednesday, Zwilling admitted that the archdiocese is, in fact, in talks to sell the property to N.Y.U. He said it was not “normal policy” for the archdiocese to discuss a real estate deal before a contract is signed, but since Sexton had already gone public, the archdiocese would make an exception.

“I need to emphasize that there is no contract as of yet,” Zwilling said. “There is a need for a new center for Catholic ministry at N.Y.U. The building that presently exists, built nearly 50 years ago, does not adequately serve the current needs of the Catholic community at N.Y.U.”

Since the N.Y.U. students’ Mass outgrew Trinity Chapel and moved to nearby St. Joseph’s Church, Zwilling said, “There is no longer a need for such a large, two-story chapel as currently exists. … We will continue to own a section of the building that will provide more room for campus ministry, charitable work and meetings, so that all the needs of the Catholic community at N.Y.U. can be met. We are delighted that the entrance to the Catholic Center will be on the first floor and facing Washington Square Park, and therefore the Catholic campus ministry will be a very visible and inviting presence.”

What makes the deal atypical is the fact that N.Y.U. would not use all of its building rights if it gets the property. While zoning would allow up to a 12-to-14-story building to be constructed on the site, Sexton said N.Y.U. would not “max out” the project, but instead would build only about half as tall as permitted under zoning. He didn’t want to put an exact figure on it — whether the university’s building would be 50 percent or 55 percent smaller than allowable, for example — since plans are far from finalized. But he said the N.Y.U. project would be “considerably smaller” than what a private developer would build on the site.

And yet, Sexton said, the university would still pay the same price that a developer would pay to develop the property to its full extent; in that sense, the university would be paying “a premium” for the actual square footage that it would develop, he stressed.

“The archdiocese has an alternate buyer,” Sexton said. “I don’t know the identity of that buyer.

“We’re paying more than we would normally pay for property,” he said. “The market set a price for the building — and we’re paying above that. We don’t usually pay a 40 percent premium on what the market buys. We are paying the same price as the developer.”

However, Zwilling denied the archdiocese is talking to any “alternate buyer” other than N.Y.U. about the property.

“The archdiocese has worked with N.Y.U., rather than with outside developers, as part of our commitment to be good neighbors to the community,” he said. “We are discussing this with N.Y.U. and not with any other developers. Others expressed interest, but we are only dealing with N.Y.U. at this stage.”

As part of the deal, some of the value N.Y.U. would provide to the archdiocese would come in the form of scholarships for students graduating from New York City “inner-city” Catholic high schools and graduate scholarships for nuns and priests, according to Sexton.

Sexton said two years ago the archdiocese approached N.Y.U. about developing the Washington Square S. site to its full potential under allowable zoning so the archdiocese could reap the maximum sale price.

“My reaction to them at that time was that we just weren’t interested,” Sexton said, “that N.Y.U. would not participate in building that size building — that would have the effect of, when coming down Fifth Ave., if [one is looking south] at 11th St., of blocking the blue sky behind the arch.”

N.Y.U. ended talks with the archdiocese about the property at that point, Sexton said. But he noted that he and Cardinal Egan talk from time to time “as citizens of New York.” They met at a mayor’s event and decided to have dinner before Thanksgiving at the cardinal’s place, in the St. Patrick’s chancellery.

Sexton said he told the cardinal that the university envisioned a smaller building as being better for the sensitive site.

“He discussed his plan for Trinity Chapel,” Sexton said. “I tried to give him a description of the effect of a 12-to-14-story building and show how that illustrates how we in the Village think. We’re not going to build the maximum F.A.R. on the site.”

(Each city property lot has an F.A.R. — or floor area ratio — that determines how much floor space can be built in relation to the size of the lot’s footprint.)

According to Sexton, Egan, saying, “I need money for the kids,” responded that his primary mission was the archdiocese’s pre-K-to-12 school system. Sexton said he then raised the idea of N.Y.U. scholarships for Catholic school graduates, nuns and priests.

Summing up the gist of the pending deal, Sexton said, “It’s an attempt by two citizen leaders of the city to come together and restrain what could be their rapaciousness under the law and do a community good.

“This, in fact, does take off the table some of our space needs,” Sexton continued. “It’s a test case — obviously, an expensive test case — that attempts to do good for the Village while it attempts to do good for the cardinal’s kids, priests and nuns.”

As part of its new strategic planning initiative, N.Y.U. recently projected that it will grow by 6 million square feet — or one-third the size of its existing facilities — in the next 25 years.

Sexton said he hopes the community sees this effort by N.Y.U. for what it is and appreciates that the university would be foregoing valuable space by putting up a smaller building.

“If people are going to beat up N.Y.U. about this, then it will be a significant lesson to us,” the university president said. “We view this as a pretty aggressive effort to help the community — to satisfy our space needs while respecting the community.”

Sexton said he couldn’t give specifics at this point on how the building would look.

“Before we do the detailed planning, we want to make sure we have a deal,” he stressed. However, he assured, “We will vet the design with the community as appropriate.”

In addition, it makes sense for N.Y.U. to develop the property, he said, noting, “It’s in our [campus] core. It’s going to be built [by someone] anyway.” Plus, the campus location works for an interfaith center, he said, noting that, for example, it would be convenient for Muslim students who want to pray multiple times per day in between classes.

The university’s current attempt to acquire the Catholic Center site represents a 180-degree change from March 2006, when John Beckman, the university’s spokesperson, said N.Y.U. didn’t want it.

“From N.Y.U.’s perspective, we have no interest in or plans for buying the site,” Beckman told The Villager then. “We should move away from the myth that N.Y.U. is going to go after any piece of property near its campus. It’s simply not true,” Beckman added.

Last week, Beckman and Sexton clarified that Beckman was speaking in the context of N.Y.U. not wanting to develop the property to the maximum F.A.R., which is what the archdiocese had in mind.

However, three months ago, Sexton hinted that N.Y.U.’s position on the chapel might have changed. In a May interview with The Villager, Sexton said, “I have no reason to think N.Y.U. will come to own it. But I’ve committed that if N.Y.U. were to take it over, we would not build to the maximum F.A.R. on that site. My objective would be to build something that maintained the blue sky above the arch as one came down Fifth Ave.”

Last Wednesday, Sexton reiterated that the university would keep any building it developed at the Washington Square S. and Thompson St. site significantly lower than what is allowed under zoning.

“The overriding factor,” Sexton said, “is the blue sky behind the arch.”

David Reck, chairperson of Community Board 2’s Zoning Committee, said he’d heard that N.Y.U. was interested in the site.

“I thought they’d already made the purchase. That was the rumor,” he said.

He was skeptical, however, when told of N.Y.U.’s claims that it would build a smaller building than a private developer would. The Catholic Center is in an R7-2 zone, meaning it has an F.A.R. of 3.44 for a residential building. However, if the community facilities zoning allowance is used on the site, the F.A.R. almost doubles to 6.5. Both university and church uses qualify for the community facilities zoning allowance, but regular residential use does not.

“It’s R7-2, which is the same zoning as Kimmel,” Reck said of the Catholic Center site. “So figure a building [could be built there] the same size as Kimmel. It’s in the same zoning district as the Law School, too. The Morton Williams site [at LaGuardia Pl. and Bleecker St., N.Y.U.’s main development property] is in the same zone.”

Reck said a private residential building with a church component would get a small increase in F.A.R. from the community facilities allowance, whereas a 100 percent university-and-church building would qualify for the full community facilities allowance.

“I’m trying to figure out what they’re planning on doing that would be less than what a private developer could do,” Reck said. “I’d love to see what their plans are.”

Alicia Hurley, N.Y.U. associate vice president for government and community affairs, didn’t provide more specifics, basically echoing Sexton’s comments.

Asked how tall the rumored mystery developer would build on the site, Hurley said, “No idea really; there is no height limit. Without having seen anything and based on our understanding of the site, the height could be about 10 to 14 stories.”

Asked how tall N.Y.U. would build, she said, “We would look at about half that height — square footage is still to be determined.”

Asked how big a building could be constructed on the site without using the community facilities zoning allowance, she said, “You’d have to ask the archdiocese.”

RandySavage
December 19th, 2007, 05:22 PM
The Catholic center coming down is on the left, Judson Church (particularly the bell tower) on the right is safe, correct? Judson, I would hope is landmarked. Too bad about the Catholic Center... it's iconoclastic.

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photo credit: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=453998806&size=l


Cutting down the mature trees around the fountain in this pic is ill-conceived.

UrbanSculptures
February 3rd, 2008, 09:54 PM
I bought this old postcard which I've never seen anywhere, it shows
Hotel Holley, 32 Washington Square West which was demolished sometime around the 1920's for the buildings that are there today.

lofter1
February 3rd, 2008, 10:20 PM
When it rains, it pours ...

There are a few more Hotel Holley PCs up for auction right now on eBay (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=1&from=R10&satitle=hotel+holley&sacat=914%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=10012&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1) ...

This one (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-YORK-NY-Hotel-Holley-Washington-Square-unused_W0QQitemZ190071919951QQihZ009QQcategoryZ359 16QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247 QQcmdZViewItem) has coloration that is a bit different ...

http://www.dalyndastore.com/images/BC3988.jpg (http://www.dalyndastore.com/images/BC3988.jpg)

lofter1
February 3rd, 2008, 10:38 PM
Another bit of Hotel Holley memorabilia (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=213230&postcount=106) in the Hotel Thread

lofter1
February 3rd, 2008, 11:10 PM
A 1915 NY Times article on a real estate transaction,
including the site of the Hotel Holley across from
Washington Square Park ...

THE REAL ESTATE FIELD

Upper Manhattan Apartment Block Front
in Deal for Washington Square Corner,
with Resale of Latter for Hotel Addition

-- $200,000 Purchase in Long Island City

-- Bronx and Brooklyn Buyers.

NY TIMES (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F00E7DD153EE033A2575BC2A9629C94 6496D6CF)
April 28, 1915

Considerable activity characterized the realty market yesterday. In Manhattan the chief transaction involved the purchase of two new apartment houses in upper Manhattan by Mrs. Anne Rogers Benjamin, daughter of the late H. H. Rogers of the Standard Oil Company, giving in trade a corner on Washington Square which was almost immediately resold ...

... In part payment Mrs. Benjamin gave the six three- and four-story dwellings at 33 and 34 Washington Square West and 64 to 70 Washington Place, forming the southwest corner, a plot 55 on the Square by 128. Most of it has been owned by the Benjamin family for over forty years.

The resale of this Washington Square plot has been closed to Frederick D.Fricke, treasurer of the Excelsior Brewing Company of Brooklyn. Mr. Fricke owns the adjoining property covered by the Hotel Holley at 35 Washington Square West, under lease to Knott Brothers. Mr. Fricke is planning to alter his newly acquired houses at a cost of $50,000, by converting them into one building, which will be leased for 21-years by Knott Brothers as an addition to the Hotel Holley.

Upon the acquisiton of the corner the Knott Brothers will control a plot 100 by 128. The corner building will be used for the main dining room, with an Italian roof garden on top.

FULL Article [pdf] (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F00E7DD153EE033A2575BC2A9629C946496D6CF)

lofter1
February 3rd, 2008, 11:27 PM
The Hotel Holley (http://books.google.com/books?id=K8aMN50YOvkC&pg=RA4-PA185&lpg=RA4-PA185&dq=%22hotel+holley%22+washington&source=web&ots=_1WZjMOiKW&sig=xgRWwZWXZHS7jN3-mMqt10evGYs#PRA4-PA185,M1) was named after steel manufacturer Alexander Lyman Holley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Lyman_Holley), whose memorial statue (http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_park/historical_signs/hs_historical_sign.php?id=9754), until just last month, sat to the west of the fountain in Washington Square Park. The Holley Statue was rededicated (http://www.aimehq.org/holley1099.cfm) in 1999. It will be relocated within the Park during the current reconstruction.


http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_park/historical_signs/monument_pics/manhattan/alexander_lyman_holley_wash.jpg


http://images.nypl.org/?id=1262456&t=w


NYPL Digital Gallery (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=616083&imageID=1262456&parent_id=615906&word=&snum=&s=&notword=&d=&c=&f=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&total=3&num=0&imgs=12&pNum=&pos=3#)


Collection Guide: Historical and Public Figures: A General Portrait File to the 1920s (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?col_id=242)

UrbanSculptures
February 5th, 2008, 09:42 PM
That was a good find of information! Funny that I was thinking of "Holley" in terms of the plant, didn't make the connection to the sculpture in the park till now.

There's another sculpture over on the EAST side of the park by the fountain... what's left of it... but I don't remember the name, thought for a bit it was this one but Holley is/was on the West end.
The old Holley picture sure shows a much better condition monument than today, especially on the slab base which is all chipped, cracked and damaged.
Always seems strange to me to see before and today photos 100 years apart and seeing the building or statue etc looking the same even if the surroundings changed. I can't help but go WOW, there it is 100 years ago, looks just like it does now.

lofter1
February 5th, 2008, 10:36 PM
In all the years I've walked past that Holley monument I never once registered the guy's name. So when I read that the Hotel Holley was named after the same guy it took more digging for me to get my bearings. If memory serves me well there was a time when the entire thing was covered in a thick coat of dirty white paint. And of course "smoke" central right in the vicinity of Holley.

It's really not a sculpture that should be in the middle of a walkway (as its been for a long time on the main E <> W pathway). Seems originally it was placed at the edge of a planted area. That's as it should be. Maybe they'll fix that during the rehab.

Merry
June 6th, 2009, 05:57 AM
N.Y.U. reveals plan for spiritual center on Washington Sq.



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N.Y.U.’s proposed Center for Academic and Spiritual Life would have a Catholic Center on its first floor and a scrim-like terra cotta exterior, above. The site has an F.A.R. of 6.5. An “as-of-right” option, below left and bottom left, with a 5.5 F.A.R. would require a narrow building with many setbacks. (A 6.5 F.A.R. option would be so narrow, N.Y.U. didn’t even include a design of it.) N.Y.U.’s preferred option, below right and bottom right, at 4.9 F.A.R. is squatter.




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By Lincoln Anderson

Unveiling what will be New York University students’ future on-campus faith facility — plus a flexible, multiuse space for classrooms and music performances and rehearsals — N.Y.U. released plans on Tuesday for its new Center for Academic and Spiritual Life. The building, to be built at Thompson St. and Washington Square South, will replace the former N.Y.U. Catholic Center, which was recently razed to make way for the project.

The proposal is for a building of 61,000 square feet, 89 feet tall with six stories. Notably, N.Y.U.’s design doesn’t use all the space allowed under the property’s zoning. Zoning permits a structure with a floor area ratio, or F.A.R., of up to 6.5, but N.Y.U.’s plan only uses 4.9 F.A.R. Roughly speaking, by forgoing 1.6 F.A.R. — which translates into 18,000 square feet — the building would be about one story lower.

Alicia Hurley, N.Y.U. vice president of government affairs and community engagement, said the university is building smaller than the zoning allows as part of its new, more conscientious approach to development under its N.Y.U. Plans 2031 initiative.

“It’s a commitment to try to preserve the [view of the] sky and working to build a building that was the right building for the spot,” she said.

Like N.Y.U.’s Kimmel Center just to its east, the Center for Academic and Spiritual Life will be visible through the Washington Square Arch when viewed from Fifth Ave., though it will only be about half as tall as Kimmel. The new center, as proposed, will be about equal in height to the Judson Church campanile.

N.Y.U. will need a variance from the Board of Standards and Appeals to build the design, since it doesn’t conform with current setback and open-space requirements. A so-called as-of-right building under zoning would be impractical for N.Y.U., since, with the required setbacks, it would become increasingly narrow as it went up, leading to floor plates that would be so small they would be unusable for N.Y.U.’s purposes. The wider floor plates in the lower and squatter building in N.Y.U.’s design are better suited to the university’s program needs.

The proposed design extends the building out to the street wall, which is consistent with many of the other buildings on Washington Square South, the university notes.



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N.Y.U. purchased the cleared site from the Catholic Archdiocese of New York in May, after the archdiocese had finished demolishing the building. Construction is scheduled to start this fall and finish in summer 2012. The end result will be an energy-efficient LEED Silver-rated building, which will also be connected on most floors to the adjacent Kimmel Center.

On the building’s first floor will be a new Catholic Center at N.Y.U., owned and operated by the archdiocese. As Hurley described it, it will be “an open, public church.”

The new center will also house N.Y.U.’s four chaplains — Jewish, Protestant, Catholic and Muslim — together for the first time at the same location.

Hurley said the basic idea of the building’s multiuse design is to provide space for prayer, but also not to have this space sit idle at other times. The project will have flexible spaces, but also take into consideration various users’ specific needs.

“We do know that our Muslim population does have certain requirements,” Hurley said. “They need to wash their feet, so they need different structures, not just a bathroom. The site will be sensitive to that. … Large orchestra rooms will be soundproofed.” However, Hurley added, “It’s not going to be just like loft space — there will be many rooms per floor.”

A unique feature of the building’s exterior — which Hurley said isn’t really conveyed fully in the current renderings — is that it will be scrim-like.

“It’s meant to be terra cotta with leaf-like cutouts,” she explained. The current computer renderings make the building’s exterior seem more opaque than it actually will be, she said.

“It should end up looking a bit more open, transparent,” Hurley said.

Over all, the design is intended to be “subtle and elegant,” Hurley said. The look was influenced by and intended to be contextual with Judson Church, and not Kimmel, she noted.

The plan will be submitted to the B.S.A. this month, and also presented for review at the Tues., June 16, meeting of Community Board 2’s Arts and Institutions Committee. Next month, C.B. 2’s Zoning Committee will review the proposal.

Giving his initial reaction to the project, Brad Hoylman, C.B. 2 chairperson, said, “I’m glad that N.Y.U. apparently recognizes that proposing a new building on the perimeter of Washington Square Park is an extremely sensitive issue to the community. After the battle over Kimmel Center, which was a low point in N.Y.U.-community relations, I think the community can appreciate the fact that the university is proposing to build a smaller building than it could have otherwise.

“N.Y.U. is also discussing factors, such as views through Washington Square Arch and context to Judson Church, that they wouldn’t have years ago,” Hoylman added. “I’m sure the community will have thoughts about the design, materials and other features of the proposed building that I am looking forward to hearing.”

Andrew Berman, executive director of the Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation, said his society’s preservation and design committees have to review N.Y.U.’s design more thoroughly, and that he was withholding his verdict till then. However, he said he thinks N.Y.U. is trying to “sweeten the pot” by forgoing some F.A.R. in order to get a variance from the B.S.A. to build a squatter building with larger floor plates.

“A lower, fatter building may be in the community’s interests, as well,” he noted. “The as-of-right design is not a good fit for the neighborhood or N.Y.U. Here is the rare case where N.Y.U. needs public approval to build what it wants to build. It may be a case where N.Y.U.’s self-interest and the interests of the community may — and I want to emphasize ‘may’ — intersect.”

Berman said he hopes N.Y.U. will make a binding commitment to never use the unused F.A.R. from the Spiritual Life center in the future, “that they won’t come back in a few years to add stories” on top of the building.

As for the new building’s design, Berman said, “It’s got the Kimmel Center next door, which could make anything look good. But it’s also got the Judson Memorial Church across the street, which is one of the city’s great historic landmarks.”

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_318/nyurevealsplan.html

Ninjahedge
June 8th, 2009, 08:51 AM
The "preferred option" is a squat little chunky box.

:p

lofter1
June 8th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Amazing that a school like NYU has such a tired architectural vision.

Derek2k3
January 20th, 2010, 10:51 PM
That design is bleh. Why that color, is there a good-looking mustard colored building in the city?
This and Kimmel belong next to their 12th street dorm abomination.

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Also, I much preferred the as-of right envelope. The community got gypped.

lofter1
January 21st, 2010, 12:52 AM
NYU didn't get their wish about cutting down the trees. They are still standing along the east side of Thompson and the foundation dig out is moving ahead. It was decided that it is better to keep the trees and risk the bad outcome but hope for the best rather than just pull them out now.

Jasonik
January 22nd, 2010, 02:58 PM
Why that color, is there a good-looking mustard colored building in the city?

The choice of terra cotta for cladding may be the 'inspiration' for the color. The spectacular and vibrant terra cotta at 37 Washington Square West (http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=building&id=135215&lng=3) is rather mustardy. Also hinting at the reference is the pierced (http://thearchitecturalscreen.blogspot.com/) treatment (http://throughtheoculus.blogspot.com/2009/03/light-in-islamic-architecture.html) of the facade which is superficially (http://www.archnet.org/library/pubdownloader/pdf/6073/doc/DPT0033.PDF) rather neo-moorish, err... neo-Islamic (Arab?) in character (whatever that means (http://www.aljadid.com/arts/ArabArchitecturalHeritageBetweenMirrorsAndIdols.ht ml)).

http://ic2.pbase.com/g4/26/411626/2/52500177.051117016.jpg
17-NOV-2005 | Hubert J Steed (http://www.pbase.com/hjsteed/wsw)

Merry
January 23rd, 2010, 12:56 AM
NYU Confuses Preservationists With Plan for Smaller Building

January 22, 2010, by Sara

Things are out of balance in the Village, where NYU is planning its Center for Academic and Spiritual Life at 58 Washington Square South. Perfect, because spiritual centers are all about restoring balance, right? Wrong! This one comes with a preservation controversy. The as-of-right zoning for the Washington Square South spot would allow NYU to build an 11-story building, but the ever-expansion-hungry NYU really wants to build something...smaller? Yup! The university has proposed a shorter, squatter design (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/06/03/nyus_godfearing_washington_square_south_plan_revea led.php) of only six stories, and the folks at the Greenwich VIllage Society for Historic Preservation aren't quite sure how to take the fact that their world is now completely upside-down. In its most recent newsletter, GVSHP tries to find the negative: "While the as-of-right building (without variances) would require multiple setbacks and be much taller and narrower, by seeking permission for no setbacks whatsoever NYU would place a large, squat building on narrow Thompson and West 3rd Streets which would shadow neighboring buildings...and loom over these low-scale streets." And if NYU's desire to slim down continues unchecked, what's next for its expansion plans?

NYU Seeks Variance for New "Spiritual Center" Development (http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=0019K7_GMZJyC8C2CTx1vcuipvGN9dOUaH8550sLr tLyMRgmMePfT3XqVRj-IxrwXqNN_9lv71bPqw2ZyWgmUWI0lP_tJ_YgJg08f6kH-5-DNA%3D) [GVSHP]
NYU's God-Fearing Washington Square South Plan Revealed (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/06/03/nyus_godfearing_washington_square_south_plan_revea led.php) [Curbed]

http://curbed.com/archives/2010/01/22/nyu_confuses_preservationists_with_plan_for_smalle r_building.php

Merry
February 4th, 2010, 06:29 AM
NYU's Arborcide Complete on Thompson Street

February 3, 2010, by Pete

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Thompson sans trees.

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NYU has declared its love for trees, stating that, "The University is aware how important trees are to the quality of life of the community," but that didn't stop them from chopping down four mature flowering pears on Thompson Street in order to make way for the new Center for Academic and Spiritual Life rising at 58 Washington Square South. Locals wanted to save the trees, but NYU pleaded their case and the treehuggers lost. Now there's room for the underground pipes that will connect the proposed house of faith with NYU's new Cogeneration Plant a few blocks to the east. NYU is pledging to restore the greenery, and the building itself will be a tribute to the lost souls. According to the wordsmiths at NYU, "The symbol of the tree is one common to many of the world's religious traditions and has been used metaphorically to inspire the façade design."

NYU Threatens Village Arborcide to Build its New Faux-rest (http://curbed.com/archives/2009/12/07/nyu_threatens_village_arboricide_to_build_its_new_ fauxrest.php) [Curbed]
NYU Center for Academic and Spiritual Life coverage (http://curbed.com/tags/center-for-academic-and-spiritual-life) [Curbed]

http://curbed.com/archives/2010/02/03/nyus_arborcide_complete_on_thompson_street.php

brianac
February 6th, 2010, 07:46 AM
^^ Thompson Street with trees ^^


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ablarc
February 6th, 2010, 09:50 AM
NYU's urban planning policies: consistently abominable.

RedFerrari360f1
February 9th, 2010, 10:14 PM
Amazing that a school like NYU has such a tired architectural vision.

Tired is the perfect word to describe it.

Merry
May 29th, 2010, 01:15 AM
Big Purple Plants Some Green on Mercer Street

May 28, 2010, by Pete

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Mercer and West 3rd near NYU.

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Hey, NYU neighbors on Mercer Street, those trees you suddenly see around you are not a dream! What went in the ground this week between West 3rd and West 4th streets is the first batch of 22 new trees, part of a much publicized plan (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2009/07/07/nyu_extends_olive_branch_other_plant_life_to_neigh bors.php) from landscape architect Mathews Nielsen for what's now called Mercer Plaza (http://www.mnlandscape.com/in_the_works_projects.php?cat_id=7&pr_id=142). A few years back the locals fought (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/nyregion/thecity/15nyu.html) a losing battle with NYU planners over 18 mature trees—Japanese lilacs, honey locusts and Callery pears—opposite their windows. Big Purple (spoiler alert!) won the fight and then chopped down the leafy trees so they could dig deep and build a gargantuan CoGeneration Plant (http://www.nyu.edu/fcm/chp.htm) beneath that block. Construction is now complete, the gaping hole has been filled and it's time to re-plant the plaza.
When it comes to trees, NYU giveth and NYU taketh away (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/02/03/nyus_arborcide_complete_on_thompson_street.php). Now they're in giving mode, and the latest re-gifting started this week. The design for the public open space divides the block-long Mercer Plaza into three outdoor rooms with seating areas "that allow for quiet reflection or conversation" (but built to discourage sleeping and other undesirable activities). When complete, wood-planked surfaces will be surrounded by sloping planting beds filled with flowering shrubs and perennials. Planted throughout will be native trees—sweet gums, tulip trees, witch hazel, and others—giving shade to the area below and softening the lines of Warren Weaver Hall, the 14-story brick and glass tower that has stood beside the site since 1965. Now that this fight is nearing its end, can we all just get along? Seeing what's to come (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/04/15/antiexpansion_greenwich_villagers_calmly_storm_nyu s_gates.php): fat chance.

NYU Extends Olive Branch (& Other Plant Life!) to Neighbors (http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2009/07/07/nyu_extends_olive_branch_other_plant_life_to_neigh bors.php) [Curbed]
Mercer Plaza at NYU (http://www.mnlandscape.com/in_the_works_projects.php?cat_id=7&pr_id=142) [Mathews Nielsen]
251 Mercer Street Plaza - Cogeneration Plant (http://www.nyu.edu/construction/cogen/) [NYU]

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ZippyTheChimp
March 9th, 2011, 09:08 AM
Posts about Washington Square Park should go here (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5378&p=354749#post354749)

Merry
August 17th, 2011, 06:31 AM
Very deceptive exterior now.


LEED Silver for NYU Law, Adjmi at 22 Washington Square North

by Pete Davies

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Photos: Jean Vong

Morris Adjmi Architects, known for modern mash-ups of old and new, shows off some more historic chops at 22 Washington Square North, where the restoration (http://www.ma.com/projects/22-washington-square-north/?type=institutional) of an 1830s townhouse for NYU Law has just been granted LEED Silver certification. Adjmi and his creative crew cut through the middle of the landmarked Greenwich Village building, bringing light from the rooftop down to the ground floor and creating a green wall that offers views and ventilation to the interior spaces. Out front a set of glossy green doors flanked by ionic columns sits atop a tree-shaded brownstone staircase.

The south facade faces onto Washington Square Park and shows off restored red brick set in a Flemish bond. The rebuilt north facade rises above a wide terrace overlooking the Washington Mews, with another smaller terrace with Village vistas up top. So what was Team Adjmi restoring? 22 Washington Square North originally went up as part of a row of Greek Revival townhouses built opposite Washington Square, a former burial ground that became a city park in 1827. NYU first acquired the townhouse in 1939, and it now houses space for NYU Law and the Straus Institute. Adjmi and team came on board back in 2007, but there was much more noise surrounding their other NYU Law project, the new Wilf Hall.

22 Washington Square North (http://www.ma.com/projects/22-washington-square-north/?type=institutional) [Morris Adjmi Architects]

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/08/16/leed_silver_for_nyu_law_adjmi_at_22_washington_squ are_north.php

Ninjahedge
August 17th, 2011, 09:01 AM
The back is so-so. I do not know what the original looked like, so I do not know how much they are keeping with it in this design, but the front is 100% on the mark.

I would not be able to tell you what was inside for the life of me, and looking at the renovation, they did an awesome job. (Love the hardwood combined with modern. So many like to get rid of "classic" or "rustic" elements when going modern).

kz1000ps
October 22nd, 2012, 02:52 AM
Not sure where else to put these...2 Fifth Avenue undergoing facade replacement:

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Gulcrapek
October 22nd, 2012, 05:45 PM
Is that pink, or are my eyes bugging out?

Natik N
October 23rd, 2012, 01:14 AM
the most beautiful and luxurious residential building in NYC i would consider 8 Spruce street