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JCMAN320
December 17th, 2003, 09:29 PM
GRUMBLES OVER BIG GIFT
Russian's 9/11 memorial, 9 stories tall, has detractors, but council backs it

Wednesday, December 17, 2003

By Jason Fink
Journal staff writer

Jersey City officials are scouting locations along the Hudson River waterfront for the choicest spot to build what they hope will be one of the largest abstract sculptures in the area and a permanent fixture of the city's skyline.

It will also be, city officials and advocates of the plan say, one of the nation's first memorials to bear the names of all the victims of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The Russian artist Zurab Tsereteli, who has built large-scale sculptures in several cities around the world, including one outside the United Nations complex in New York, is planning to build a 100-foot-tall, 176-ton bronze obelisk on the Jersey City waterfront, somewhere between the northern edge of Liberty State Park and Exchange Place.

Rising along the water's edge - or, as one proposal has it, from out of the river itself - Tsereteli's monument, called "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," will consist of a 100-foot-tall rectangular bronze block with a fissure down the middle.

Inside the opening will be a teardrop-shaped crystal; the monument's base will be nine large steps inscribed with the names of those who died at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and on American Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.

The sculpture will be financed by the artist himself and by the Russian government, through the support of Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov.

Seen by some as a generous, emotionally charged offer from abroad to a nation still recovering from tragedy, supporters of the monument, including Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, have compared it to the Statue of Liberty.

Its detractors - which include a growing number of local artists, many of them Russian immigrants - have described the proposal as a sullying of Jersey City's skyline and a bulky obstruction of its world-class views of New York City.

The 69-year-old Tsereteli, who has years of experience building large public sculptures, is already represented by a New York law firm and has contracted with one of the state's largest construction companies to build the memorial, which because of its size - it will be as tall as a nine-story building - will need to be anchored into bedrock.

The City Council voted unanimously last week to approve a memorandum of understanding between the city, the artist and Luzhkov, despite the concerns of some on the council about how it will affect the city's views.

"I'm not opposed to the (sculpture) itself," said City Councilman Mariano Vega, who voted to approve the memorandum. "But I believe that it blocks the view corridor."

The document approved by the council does not commit the city to accept the gift but is the first step in that direction. At Vega's insistence, language specifying that the memorial would be built at J. Owen Grundy Pier at Exchange Place was removed.

"We're looking at various spots along the waterfront," said Emily Madoff, Tsereteli's attorney.

Madoff, who said Tsereteli came up with the idea to build the memorial in Jersey City during a visit to Ground Zero in New York last year, said the artist has taken pains in his preliminary designs to make sure that all sight lines from Jersey City's streets are kept open.

In addition to the vicinity of Grundy Pier - that proposal would anchor the sculpture to the bottom of the river - city officials have provided renderings that depict the monument at Peninsula Park, a strip of land just north of Liberty State Park along the Morris Canal Basin.

In either case, those looking at the monument from the Jersey City side would be staring directly at the spot in the Manhattan skyline once dominated by the Twin Towers.

Because of the monument's anticipated location, approvals must be sought from the state Department of Environmental Protection and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which has jurisdiction over all navigable waterways.

"We received some very preliminary information on this and we are waiting for events to unfold," said Richard Tomer, chief of the regulatory branch of the regional Army Corps office.

Madoff said the plan is to unveil the monument next Sept. 11 but one city official said that is an overly optimistic timeframe, considering that state and federal oversight would likely be required.

Tsereteli plans to make a cast of the monument in Russia and ship it here in pieces. The city would have to store it until it was built. About $3 million in private funds would then need to be raised for the actual construction and the city would be responsible for its subsequent maintenance.

The project's detractors have argued that Tsereteli was chosen because he is willing to pay for the project, not because of the merits of his design.

In the summer of 2002, the Jersey City 9/11 Memorial Committee was formed to solicit design proposals for a permanent memorial on the city's waterfront. Dozens of submissions were mailed to City Hall and several artists complained when, a year later, they had not been contacted about their proposals.

When it was announced late last summer that Tsereteli had been chosen to build the memorial, many cried foul, claiming there had never really been an open competition.

City officials later said that Tsereteli's proposal had been considered along with all the others.

Last week, a petition protesting the monument and signed by 30 Russian artists living in Downtown Jersey City was sent to City Hall.

"We are thoroughly familiar with . a large body of (Tsereteli's) work in our native Russia and we feel that the long-term aesthetic interests and reputation of the city of Jersey City would be better served without his work," the petition reads.

Another Downtown artist, William Rodwell, who did not submit a design in the memorial competition, called the sculpture design "banality on a large scale."

"It's a vanity arts project," Rodwell said.

Stan H. Eason, a spokesman Cunningham, said the resentment of Tsereteli's project amounted to "sour grapes."

He said a number of factors, including cost, had been considered when choosing the design.

"Is there any artist out there who every artist will agree with?" said Eason.

Copyright 2003 The Jersey Journal.

Jude1017
December 18th, 2003, 05:50 PM
Well, let's just wait to see the renderings, then let us jersey city "born" be the ones to judge. :twisted:

Jasonik
December 18th, 2003, 06:49 PM
An example of the artist Zurab Tsereteli's work-

Sevilla Spain's Columbus Monument.


http://columbus.vanderkrogt.net/es/statues/sevilla_egg_behind_a_fence.jpg

http://columbus.vanderkrogt.net/es/statues/sevilla_egg.jpg

http://columbus.vanderkrogt.net/es/statues/sevilla_egg_detail.jpg


Description
"The Birth of a New Man" is an enormous egg-shaped structure. The scale of the egg is more-or-less shaped by sails with open crosses in it. Inside the egg is a statue of Christopher Columbus holding a map showing his three ships: the Niña, the Pinta and the Santa Maria on a map on their way to discover the new world.
The monument is the first of an artistic continuation of two. "The Birth of a New Man" depicts the discoverer of America inside an egg. It symbolizes the starting point of Columbus while the second, "The Birth of a New World" in Puerto Rico, will symbolize the seafarer's lifework.

Inscription
The scale is inscribed with the names of the three ships and the artist's name: Z. Tsereteli 1995.

Notes
.....the weekend the monument is even more spectacular, since then the fountain around it is working, and during the night it is lighted in different colors.

A small scale replica is in front of the UNESCO building in Paris.

*****
source:
http://columbus.vanderkrogt.net/

ZippyTheChimp
December 18th, 2003, 07:45 PM
Horrible.

It has a Soviet Mounumental quality.

TLOZ Link5
December 18th, 2003, 09:37 PM
Horrible.

It has a Soviet Mounumental quality.

And the "New Man" bit smacks of Cuban nationalism.

krulltime
December 18th, 2003, 10:06 PM
Yeah it is so mid-evil looking structure..Isn't Spain over that after so many years of change...What gives? :shock:

JCMAN320
December 19th, 2003, 06:42 PM
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10658725&BRD=1291&PAG=461&dept_id= 523586&rfi=6

This will take you to an image of the sculpture

Jude1017
December 20th, 2003, 01:42 AM
thanks for the link!

tone99loc
December 20th, 2003, 02:10 PM
I am all in favor a 100 foot monument, but not from this guy. His stuff is just plain ugly.

BigMac
June 24th, 2004, 01:38 PM
WNBC
June 23, 2004

City Cools To Russian's Offer Of 100-Foot Sept. 11 Memorial

Associated Press

JERSEY CITY, N.J. -- When an internationally known Russian sculptor offered last year to erect a 100-foot-tall Sept. 11 memorial on the waterfront opposite the World Trade Center site, the mayor embraced the idea as befitting a city that lost 40 residents in the attack.

But with opposition from the city's new mayor and from community groups who consider the teardrop-themed sculpture simplistic and overly imposing, a resolution to accept the offer has been withheld from Wednesday night's City Council meeting, leaving its future in doubt.

"Jersey City has had a lot of grief to deal with, and I don't know if that is something that the city should embrace," said Acting Mayor L. Harvey Smith, who is also the city council president. "It's not clear to me why someone from Russia would want to do that. And I think the community has expressed themselves clearly about it, and I'm listening."

The offer to erect the sculpture was announced on Sept. 11, 2003, the attack's second anniversary, by Zurab Tsereteli, whose works include "Good Defeats Evil," a sculpture outside the United Nations headquarters in New York, commemorating the signing of a nuclear weapons treaty between the United States and Russia, and incorporating missile parts.

The Jersey City proposal is for a rectangular metal block, with a 40-foot glass teardrop suspended within a gaping fissure.

Tsereteli planned to present the sculpture as a gift from the Russian people, in the spirit of France's gift of the Statue of Liberty, on Liberty Island also in Jersey City, about a mile south of the proposed site of the teardrop memorial.

Tsereteli has planned to complete the sculpture in St. Petersburg, Russia, and transport it to Jersey City by Sept. 11, 2004. His lawyer, Emily Madoff, said the work is nearing completion.

Madoff said no taxpayer money would be spent, and that a nonprofit group, Tear of Grief Inc., is raising money for the project. The cost is believed to be several million dollars, though no figure has been set.

Smith said the council discussed the proposal at a meeting two weeks ago, and agreed that its size and somber nature made it inappropriate.

"We're trying to move forward with hope," Smith said of the city's ongoing revitalization. "We can't be locked into something that exemplifies something so negative."

On its Web site, the Harsimus Cove Association, a neighborhood group, criticizes the "overwhelming scale and outsized presence of a 10-story-high sculpture on the city's precious waterfront." The group calls the design "simplistic" and "clichÄed."

Supporters include Virginia Bauer of Rumson, whose husband, David Bauer, 45, was killed in the attack.

"I think it's a beautiful and poignant gift," said Bauer, a board member of the Downtown Redevelopment Corporation, the agency in charge of redeveloping the trade center site. "It's right on the waterfront, and there was almost 700 people from New Jersey who perished in the World Trade Center."

Michael Razzoli, a Jersey City firefighter, said the city should be especially touched that the sculpture would be from another country not directly victimized by the attack.

"It shows how they were affected," Razzoli said. "Somebody doing this has to be doing it from their heart."

City Councilwoman Mary Donnelly supports the proposal, but she agreed with Smith that a majority of the council members do not.

"I think it represents all that we went through at 9/11, all that Jersey City went through," Donnelly said. "We stood up for our flag and helped all those people who had been injured. And we helped New York City."

Donnelly said she may propose putting the sculpture in Liberty State Park, where there is far more room. But she said there is little chance that any proposal would please everyone.

"Art is subjective," she said.

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Jasonik
June 24th, 2004, 10:33 PM
The dripping gash:
http://imagesource.zwire.com:80/local/Z/ZWIRE1291/zwire/images/jc1_1214pic405.jpg

Kris
June 29th, 2004, 10:49 PM
June 30, 2004

OUR TOWNS

A Jersey City Teardrop for 9/11, or a 10-Story Embarrassment?

By PETER APPLEBOME

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Zurab Tsereteli with a model of his proposed Sept. 11 memorial.

JERSEY CITY, June 29 — Chances are there would have been some degree of opposition sooner or later had anyone suggested building a 10-story, 175-ton nickel-surfaced teardrop suspended within a bronze-clad tower on a pier across the Hudson from the World Trade Center site as a 9/11 memorial.

But when the artist turns out to be Zurab Tsereteli, a Russian sculptor whose works — like a 300-foot statue of Columbus or a 165-foot Peter the Great — are so controversial that opponents once threatened to wire Peter with explosives and blow him up, another level of tumult is pretty much guaranteed.

And that's what is happening now. The death of the project's main sponsor, Mayor Glenn Cunningham, and the belated organizing by civic groups are imperiling the project by Mr. Tsereteli, whose idea of a modest enterprise is filling a park in St. Petersburg with 74 life-sized busts of czarist royalty.

The sculpture, now almost completed in Russia, is being donated, but critics say that the city is still being overcharged, and that it has a chance to stave off embarrassment by saying thanks but no thanks.

"It's insensitive, it's heavy-handed, it's simplistic, it's a cliché," said Leon Yost, a local artist and one of the vocal critics of the project. "Other than that, what's not to like?"

But supporters say that the monument is a remarkable statement about international terrorism, donated by the people of Russia, including Vladimir Putin himself, to the people of the United States, and that it would be foolish and ungracious to change course now.

As one letter writer, Vincent DiPaola, wrote in the local newspaper, The Jersey Journal, on Tuesday: "The question I pose to the City Council is if the year were 1886, would the City Council and acting mayor tell France to keep their Statue of Liberty?"

For Mr. Tsereteli, 70,the president of the Russian Academy of Arts, who has been a major figure in Soviet and Russian art for decades, controversy is nothing new. Admirers praise his energy and say his work, like his "Good Defeats Evil" sculpture of St. George at the United Nations, has been full of admirable, forward-looking sentiments.

But some have labeled his work oversized kitsch, and have been particularly critical of the enormous scale of his best-known works of sculpture. When he made the proposal for the statues in St. Petersburg, the local paper reported criticisms of "gigantomania" and quoted an art historian who said the idea of a park full of his "oversized monsters" sent shivers down her spine.

Still, for such a huge project, the proposed monument seemed to be moving along with surprising ease in Jersey City. Mayor Cunningham, enormously popular, was a big supporter, and the monument committee largely bypassed the normal review process and put its imprimatur on his proposal. Some opposition had been bubbling under the surface, and when Mr. Cunningham died on May 25, critics saw a chance to rethink the city's commitment to the project. Over the last few weeks opponents and neighborhood groups have offered a welter of criticisms. One resident, Anne Barry, sent a letter to Acting Mayor L. Harvey Smith saying the sculpture looked like a woman's vulva. "Please, please, is there nothing to be done to stop this?" she wrote.

An arts group, Pro Arts Jersey City, called it "an insensitive, self-aggrandizing piece of pompousness by one of the world's blatant self-promoters."

But Fred Worstell, an engineer handling the site planning for the project, said that given the size of the city waterfront and the ghost memory of the towers, the project had to be big to be effective. He added that, as with all art, some people like it and some don't, just as some like or don't like the gleaming Cesar Pelli tower or the old Art Deco one that help define the city skyline.

Guy Catrillo, who stepped down recently as a co-chairman of the 9-11 committee, said he felt that the process had been misunderstood and that the monument should not be considered a 9/11 monument, but rather a statement about world terrorism, with the official title "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism."

Given the fact that Russia and the United States were once enemies and that terrorism has left its footprint on Jersey City, its importance transcends artistic quibbles, Mr. Catrillo said.

"It's like planting the flag on Iwo Jima, right across the river from where the attacks took place," he said. He conceded that the project's status was unclear, but viewed its prospects in predictably grand terms.

"In all honesty, it's in God's hands," he said.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Lauren Loves NY
July 1st, 2004, 12:50 AM
That memorial is horrible. Boring and an eyesore.

The sentiment is nice - that Russia would give us a memorial - but can't they give us one that isn't just plain fugly?

I hope the city makes the right choice and rejects this design, and goes back to look at the entries made by artists in a competition two years ago, or holds a new competition.

Johnnyboy
July 1st, 2004, 10:28 PM
Even that creepy statue in spain is better than this ugly thing. Shouldn't they be looking at american archetects instead? Russians don't know how important these memorials are to us. They pobably don't even care about what happend to us on that day giving the bad history between these two nations. Only Americans can feel the pain of these attacks to our nation wich is why we should look at american archetects for 9/11 memorials.

Is that supose to be a teardrop anyway or what is it supose to be.
If Jersey City acepts that memorial, it would be very imbaressing. :oops:

I read this thing if aproved will be build right next to the hudson river. This thing is made out of nickle like the statue of liberty wich means this thing will turn green like the statue of liberty sooner or later. I love how the statue of Liberty looks in green but, i can't imagine how ugly that thing will look in green. :mrgreen:

krulltime
July 2nd, 2004, 04:00 PM
I totally hate the Teardrop for 9/11...what a stupid Idea. :x

MidnightRambler
July 2nd, 2004, 05:00 PM
Even that creepy statue in spain is better than this ugly thing. Shouldn't they be looking at american archetects instead? Russians don't know how important these memorials are to us. They pobably don't even care about what happend to us on that day giving the bad history between these two nations. Only Americans can feel the pain of these attacks to our nation wich is why we should look at american archetects for 9/11 memorials.

You're right about the design being terrible, but that was a very stupid post.

JCMAN320
September 14th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Sept. 11 memorial 'in limbo'
Officials can't agree on appropriate site doubts on Grundy Pier
Friday, September 10, 2004

By Bonnie Friedman
Journal staff writer

With the third anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 one day away, Jersey City officials say there is still no word as to what will become of the teardrop memorial built as a gift by Russian artist Zurab Tsereteli.

Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, who died May 25, was a staunch supporter of the monument, and he had hoped to unveil the 100-foot bronze sculpture on the third anniversary of the attacks. But his death, coupled with a public outcry over the memorial's design, appears to have led to a stalemate.

"It's in limbo now because of the strong political cycle," said Guy Catrillo, a member of the city's 9/11 Memorial Committee. "And it's just going to sit there until we have someone in an authoritative position."

A special election will be held in November to elect a mayor to serve out the remaining eight months of Cunningham's term, and then a regular election will be held in May for a full four-year term to begin July 1.

The monument, called "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," was slated to be installed at the J. Owen Grundy Pier, directly across the Hudson River from where the World Trade Center once stood.

But after seeing the design - a giant tear drop suspended in a fissure in a rectangular block - city officials and some members of the community complained that the monument doesn't convey the right sentiments.

"It doesn't help us heal," said City Councilman Mariano Vega. "It just reminds us more of the tragedy."

The City Council voted to accept the monument, but it has yet to agree on a site for it and some members are averse to putting it in such a prime location.

"There is no will from the City Council to put the statue where they want to put it," said Council President and acting Mayor L. Harvey Smith.

But not everyone on the council opposes the site.

Councilwoman Mary Donnelly said the pier would be the "perfect spot" for the monument, which she describes as an international symbol.

"I see it as something that represents friendship between two countries: Russia and the U.S.," Donnelly said.

The monument is to be a gift paid for by the Russian government.

Emily Madoff, an attorney representing Tsereteli, said that while her client created the monument to fit the proportions of the pier, he is willing to discuss alternate sites.

"We feel that the most suitable and logical spot is the Owen Grundy Pier," Madoff said yesterday. "But we're not opposed to meeting with the council."

As for the opposition, Madoff said the community seems to be overwhelmingly supportive of the work.

"Everyone who we've talked to seems to like it, so we are making an effort to get those people to speak up," Madoff said.

Gary Nye, vice chairman of the 9/11 Commission, said the commission selected the work because it represents a universal sentiment.

"It represents the feeling of the whole planet," Nye said. "Americans were not the only ones to shed a tear, the world shed a tear."

Madoff said she hopes to have the monument, which now sits in a Moscow foundry, installed by the spring.

Copyright 2004 The Jersey Journal.

RedFerrari360f1
September 15th, 2004, 03:49 PM
His statue of Columbus looks Stalinesqu, very communist totalitarian.

JCMAN320
February 14th, 2005, 11:07 PM
Sept. 11 memorial turned down for Jersey City waterfront
Teardrop sculpture caused controversy

Monday, February 14, 2005
By Maria Zingaro Conte
Journal staff writer

After more than a year of debating the artistic and social merits of a Sept. 11 memorial offered to the city free of charge, Jersey City officials have turned down an offer to install the 100-foot-tall sculpture on the city's waterfront.

The roughly nine-story sculpture entitled, "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," was created by Russian artist Zurab Tsereteli.

Known informally as the "Tear of Grief" for the 40-foot glass teardrop that hangs from an opening in the center of its rectangular bronze block frame, the piece was slated to be installed at the base of the pier at J. Owen Grundy Park. Nine large steps, inscribed with the names of those who died at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and on American Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania, were to be installed at the monument's base.

But plans to erect the monument in Jersey City were scrapped last month when City Council President L. Harvey Smith sent a letter to Tsereteli, declining his offer to give the city the monument.

"I sent a letter to the artist telling him that the sense is that the Jersey City municipal council doesn't want to place the tear where it was planned, so we left it up to him to find another location," Smith said.

Although the City Council voted to accept the memorial, a separate vote was necessary to give formal approval to its proposed location. But after residents began complaining about the look of the monument and the possibility that it would block views of New York, the issue never made it back on to the council's agenda and the vote never came.

Questioned over the reason for the letter Smith responded: "There was no sense in hanging on to something, a gift, that we had not intention of using."

Emily Madoff, an attorney for Tsereteli, declined to comment on the fate of the sculpture, which reportedly had been completed in Russia and was awaiting shipment to the U.S., saying she had been instructed by her client not to discuss the matter with the press.

According to a source close to Tsereteli, the artist has been scouting other locations up and down Hudson County's waterfront in search of a new home for the sculpture.

"I do know that they went to Hoboken, Weehawken and North Bergen," the source said, but noted that officials in those communities had not been contacted about the memorial.

Tsereteli's memorial has been prompting outcry in Jersey City ever since September 2003, when leaders decided the piece would serve as the city's permanent memorial to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

Members of Jersey City's artists community and others came out against the sculpture, saying it would block views of the New York City skyline and criticizing its artistic merits, saying the piece had only been selected because the artist was willing to pick up the entire cost of the project.

Detractors also criticized the selection process. In 2002, the Jersey City 9/11 Memorial Committee was formed to solicit design proposals for a permanent memorial and dozens of submissions were sent to City Hall, but a year later, several of the submitting artists began to complain saying they had not been contacted about their proposals.

The apparently abrupt selection of Tsereteli's work, prompted many to claim that the competition had been a sham.

Citing the controversy surrounding the piece, Councilman Mariano Vega said yesterday declining the monument was "the right decision for Jersey City."

"This was not the place for it and the process for selecting the 9/11 memorial was flawed," he said. "This Russian artist wanted the best real estate in the city for his sculpture."

Vega pointed out that the city already has a 9/11 memorial at the foot of Grand Street on the waterfront walkway - a black granite monument that lists the names of the 39 Jersey City residents who perished in the attack.

Vega said he believed Jersey City would hold off on erecting a 9/11 monument for the foreseeable future.

The state's 9/11 memorial will be built at Liberty State Park and other small memorials have been erected on private properties along the waterfront, he noted.

Daniel Levin, the president of the Harsimus Cove Association and one of the leaders of the opposition to the Tsereteli memorial said he was pleased by the council's decision.

"I just hope in the future that we learn that for an undertaking like this, that it should be a full public process and not done in a back room," he said.

Maria Zingaro Conte can be reached at mzconte@jjournal.com

JCMAN320
March 1st, 2005, 07:55 AM
Sept. 11 'teardrop' will land in Bayonne
'Peninsula' chosen as site for Russian sculptor's memorial

Tuesday, March 01, 2005
By Ronald Leir
Journal staff writer

A Russian sculptor's controversial vision for a memorial to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks is being adopted by Bayonne.

Bayonne Mayor Joseph V. Doria Jr., who is also a state senator, said yesterday that September 11 Bayonne Remembers - the local memorial committee - has voted unanimously to choose Soviet artist Zurab Tsereteli to put the 100-foot tall monument on the city's waterfront, at the former Military Ocean Terminal, now known as the Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor.

Doria recommended the artist to the committee after receiving a phone call from a close associate of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., endorsing his work, it was learned yesterday.

Last month - after more than a year of debate and after complaints by Jersey City residents about the selection process, the design's artistic merits and the planned site for its installation on the Jersey City waterfront - city officials there turned down Tsereteli.

The roughly nine-story monu- ment - a rectangular block with a fissure down the middle with a 40-foot glass teardrop suspended in it - is called "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism" and was originally slated to be installed at J. Owen Grundy Park in Jersey City, a pier extending into the Hudson River.

Bayonne apparently had no problem with either the look of the memorial or the proposed location.

Doria said the committee made the decision to go for it after meeting Wednesday in Bayonne with Vasily Tsereteli, the sculptor's grandson, and Fred Worstell, president of the Dresdner Robin Consulting Group, an engineering and surveying firm with offices in Jersey City.

Also attending was Nancy Kist, executive director of the Bayonne Local Redevelopment Authority, which has jurisdiction over the proposed site for the monument.

Frank Perrucci, chairman of the Bayonne memorial committee, said the sculptor and his associates would bear the cost of building the monument.

"They told us, 'We'll take care of it,' so how could we not take it?" Perrucci said.

Having seen a model last week, Perrucci said that the committee members were of one mind that "it's beautiful, it looks fantastic."

Officials said the memorial will be made of steel and sheathed in bronze. It will sit on a 9-stepped, 11-sided black granite base. Inscribed on the platform in gold lettering will be the names of those who perished on Sept. 11, 2001 - at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania - and of those who died in the Feb. 26, 1993, attack on the World Trade Center.

Nearby, there will be two plaques - one explaining that the memorial is a gift from the Russian people and its symbolism, and the other highlighting the names of at least 14 past and present Bayonne residents who died in the 1993 and 2001 terrorist attacks, officials said.

Zurab Tsereteli, president of the Russian Academy of Arts, has offered this interpretation of his design: "The monument's form and clear outlines symbolize calm and peaceful life. At the same time, the core of the monument has a long, tragically curved split depicting the drama of the tragedy.

"Inside the split is falling a big tear in honor of the victims of terrorist acts. The monument contains not only the memory for those who died but also the hope that the civilized world will be able to withstand the threat of mass terrorism. Fighting evil through art (and making life) more safe and beautiful is the principal idea of the new monument.

Doria and Perrucci said the memorial would be installed in a two-acre park --yet to be built - in the northeast corner of the Peninsula, facing the site of the World Trade Center.

Tsereteli has also offered to design the park for the BLRA.

Tsereteli's works of art are on display at the United Nations in New York and across the globe, including in Rome, London, Moscow and Tbilisi, Seville and Tokyo.

Although the memorial is being donated by Moscow and the people of Russia, Perrucci said the Bayonne memorial committee will continue to raise funds to cover costs associated with such items as the park's landscaping and brick pavers, which he said could be used as personalized memorials.

"We hope to break ground for the memorial on the 9/11 anniversary date this year and finish construction in time for our first 9/11 observance at the site in 2006," Perrucci said.

Asked how the memorial committee ended up connecting with the Soviet artist, Perrucci said that two women - Emily Madoff and Susan Thomases - had called Doria's office, on behalf of Tsereteli, recommending that Bayonne strongly consider his offer.

That was confirmed by Joseph Waks, a legislative aide to Doria.

Madoff, a senior partner with the law firm of Wolf Popper, in New York, who has represented such clients as Aeroflot Russian Airlines and has prosecuted class action litigation in consumer fraud cases, is representing Tsereteli in the United States and has previously declined to discuss her client's interests here.

Thomases, who is a close friend of Senator Clinton and who has served as a lobbyist with the Washington law firm of Willkie Farr & Gallagher, campaigned and raised money for former President Bill Clinton and other high-profile Democrats and was among those who testified in the Whitewater hearings focusing on the Clintons' real estate deals in Arkansas.

In a prepared statement, Doria congratulated Perrucci and the members of the memorial committee for having "worked hard for more than three years, raising funds and considering various design proposals. The committee has made an excellent choice."


Wow I swear if Bayonne ever had an original idea, it would die of loneliness. lol I don't know what they are thinking.

twinhk
March 14th, 2005, 07:00 AM
It looks like a vagina with a drop of sperm.

Ninjahedge
March 14th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Um.....


Do you think anyone will forget 9-11?




Do we really need so much to remember it? Seriously!

JCMAN320
March 14th, 2005, 09:02 PM
I agree with you I think it does nothing but remind us of the pain we went through that day. The tear makes it seem llike were always going to be grieving and never get over it. Horrible design and I'm appaled that Bayonne choose this, I thought they would care more at how they remeber the victims.

Ninjahedge
March 15th, 2005, 02:24 PM
One thing we must ALL remember.

The terrorists did this for two main reasons. First, to disrupt our lives. They wanted to cause us damage, force us to change, have some large effect on all of us, our life, our economy.

Second, they wanted to be recognised and MEMORIALIZED.

Every memorial and commemorative site, no matter how hard it tries to honor and remember our own, still pays homage to the death and destruction that these 19 men were SUCCESSFUL in committing!

I do not need to know how many died in JC, how many in Bayonne, how many in Hoboken.

I don't need to know how many PERIOD! I know it was a lot. But for some reason it is like a contest to see who can do the most remembering per capita.



One final thing. Rememberance does not demand reliving the event. We only need a small reminder of this. Anything more is just weird.

JCMAN320
August 23rd, 2005, 07:31 PM
EASY DOES IT, TON BY TON
Russia's gift arrives in sections after sea voyage

Tuesday, August 23, 2005
By RONALD LEIR
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Loaded on five flatbed trailers and led by a police escort, giant sections of the so-called Teardrop Memorial to those who died in the World Trade Center attacks in 1993 and 2001 were transported yesterday to the Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor.

There, the 100-foot-high, 170-ton monument will be assembled for a dedication planned for September 2006.

Next month, Bayonne will hold a ceremony - tentatively scheduled for Sept. 16 - to unveil a commemorative stone engraving near where the monument will rise, declaring that the memorial is a gift from Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Russian people.

The bronze sections of the monument - which its designer Zurab Tsereteli has named "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism" - reached the Global Terminal pier on the Jersey City/Bayonne border on Saturday after a three-week voyage, having left St. Petersburg in Russia on July 25.

Getting the pieces of the sculpture to the Peninsula wasn't easy.

Fred Worstell, president of Dresdner Robin, the Jersey City engineering firm hired to assemble the monument, said a special crane had to be brought to the Global pier to offload the several sections, which weighed between 28 and 63 tons apiece.

The "teardrop" component alone weighs four tons, he said.

But before the pieces could be released from the pier, they had to be checked for any traces of radiation by U.S. Customs, which reportedly had to get a special machine to do the screening.

Finally, when they were declared clear to travel, the sections had to be lifted onto truck trailers for the final leg of the journey to the Peninsula. Trevcon, Inc., of Liberty Corner, was the general contractor in charge of the offloading operation and Lomma, Inc., was the subcontractor handling cranes and rigging.

Vasily Tsereteli, the sculptor's grandson, accompanied the motorcade to the Peninsula, documenting the transport by shooting several photos.

"It took one year to put this together," he said, explaining that a small wood model was assembled, then an enlarged plaster model was made, then the sculpture was shaped in a mold with welded metal.

Then the mold was removed, bronze was poured over the sculpture and it was heated in a huge kiln.

Still to be done is the engraving of the names of more than 3,000 people killed in the two attacks around the granite base of the monument, Tsereteli said.

The names of Bayonne's dead will also be detailed on a separate memorial stone, he said.

The monument will stand as the centerpiece of a waterfront vista park planned for a corner of the Peninsula.

JCMAN320
August 23rd, 2005, 07:33 PM
Does anybody think that this would become a National Monument?!?!

Also I would like the administrator to change the name of the thread from Jersey City 9/11 Memorial to Bayonne 9/11 Memorial if it all possible. Thank you.

BrooklynRider
August 25th, 2005, 12:10 PM
If only they could come up with a fund for joyous public art.

Jake
August 27th, 2005, 09:21 PM
I only skimmed the thread so I don't know if anyone has said this before

IT SUCKS!

Why don't they just build 100 foot twin towers so people could see what they looked like?

injcsince81
August 28th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Does anybody think that this would become a National Monument?!?!

Also I would like the administrator to change the name of the thread from Jersey City 9/11 Memorial to Bayonne 9/11 Memorial if it all possible. Thank you.

This "artist", Zurab Tsereteli, (google him if you wish) is well known for putting up humongous, kitschy monstrosities of "sculptures" around the world, particularly in Moscow.

I have no idea how the guy gets away with this, but I am happy that at least this piece of sad kitsch will be in Bayonne instead of Jersey City, at the tip of 2-mile long Marine Ocean Terminal, where it will hopefully blend in with the port cranes.

National Monument my a$$.

JCMAN320
August 28th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Yea I def do not think this would achieve NM status.

LeCom
October 29th, 2005, 07:51 PM
Shouldn't they be looking at american archetects instead? Russians don't know how important these memorials are to us. They pobably don't even care about what happend to us on that day giving the bad history between these two nations. Only Americans can feel the pain of these attacks to our nation wich is why we should look at american archetects for 9/11 memorials.

People like you create the stereotype that all Americans are ignorant bigots.

Don't go bashing an entire nation just because the design was drafted up by a nutjob.

estryker
May 1st, 2006, 02:22 PM
I realize I may be the only art historian writing, here, but to say that this artist is working in the conventions of Soviet totalitarian art could not be more inaccurate.

I reserve judgement on whether or not this particular sculpture is a good contibution to memorial sculpture. However, official Soviet art during and after Stalin, though often gargatuan in scale, functioned as propaganda by engaging in a sort of state hero worship. It was, fundamentally and almost exclusively, figurative. That this artist continues to work at dramatic scale does not mean that he is merely bringing that tradition (mostly dead now in Russia) to capitalist powers. This sculpture (need it be said?) is not figurative, but instead seeks to represent traumatic emotions which the rupture in twin towers brought to, well, most everyone familiar with the skyline. That the viewer will be able to see his own reflection in the tear drop is an obvious statement of the way in which people in the NYC metro area identified with the buildings. At the very least, this artist, understands the great significance of those buildings in the way in which people in the metro area thought of themselves, their sense of place, their regional identity.

That the artist is Russian has absolutely no bearing whatsoever - particularly in the present globalized art world, considering the significance of NYC as a world city and as a city of immigrants. I, for one, eagerly await seeing what the new Russia (even with all its present-day problems and dubious policies), has to offer the world.

As I say, I remain unconvinced that the sculpture has all the hallmarks of a what could become a historically significant artwork - but, that has never stopped NYC (and certainly not Hudson County) in the past from putting up a whole array of hideously dull public art (for instance, the monument at Exchange Place) - and this, by all means, exceeds those works.

So, from a redevelopment perspective alone (as impetus to new waterfront building, and hopefully impetus to more and even better public art), the project must go forward.

JCMAN320
May 31st, 2006, 12:18 AM
The Katyn Memorial at Ex. Place is also a grave with some of the ashes of the dead intombed.

MEMORIALS PROGRESS
Race against the clock in Bayonne

Tuesday, May 30, 2006
By RONALD LEIR
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

The Russian foundry that two centuries ago cast the bronze statues for Peter the Great's summer gardens has fashioned the 160-ton 9/11 "teardrop" memorial slated for Bayonne's Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor.

Russian artisans and American contractors are cooperating in an all-out effort to ready the 100-foot-tall monument for its dedication at the Peninsula's Harbor View Park on the five-year anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Thirteen craftsmen and three engineers have arrived from Russia to help facilitate the installation of the monument, "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," designed by sculptor Zurab Tsereteli and donated to the United States.

Vasily Tsereteli, the artist's grandson and executive director of the Moscow Museum of Modern Art, is also here to make sure that the Russians are on the same page as the seven American contractors managed by Mast Construction Services, of Little Falls.

He, in turn, is relying on two American lawyers, Emily Madoff and Susan Thomases, to tie up loose ends as they pop up. Madoff, whose law firm had previously worked with the artist, and Thomases, a prominent Democratic fund-raiser, brought the project to Bayonne through Mayor Joseph V. Doria Jr. after Jersey City opted not to accept the monument.

The job is proceeding on several fronts.

- Six sections of the monument are being assembled at the Peninsula.

That job, Tsereteli said, involves welding seams, preparing more than 1,000 iron and stainless steel bolts, rust-proofing and carefully connecting the metal structure to the bronze.

- Workers at a Canadian quarry will be engraving the names of all those who perished in the initial explosion at the World Trade Center in 1993 and in the 2001 attacks on the monument's eleven-sided granite base. The names will be arranged alphabetically around the base, said Mast's Lee Karlin, project executive.

- Infrastructure improvements are being made to the pier at the Peninsula's northeast corner to accommodate the enormous structure. Engineer Fred Worstell, construction coordinator, said that four 500-ton caissons have been sunk 100 feet into bedrock to form the pier's exterior walls.

- Workers are preparing the property around the monument site for a landscaped Harbor View Park plaza, with lighting, featuring public waterfront walkways and views of New York Harbor and the skyline.

A $500,000 Hudson County Open Space Trust Fund grant and a $300,000 donation by Royal Caribbean International, the Bayonne-based cruise line, will help finance the park.

Eugenious
May 31st, 2006, 03:38 PM
Memorial monuments don't have to be beautiful, they have to be unique and memorable. Commemorating those that died under the rubble of the World Trade Center using a teardrop is not a horribly innapropriate idea. We as Americans always look at everything as having to be a park or celebrating the lives of the people. Well in Russia, they look at the gritty realistic view of the horror of life and I think this statue is not as bad as some memorials I have seen proposed by Americans which are utterly souless and full of artificial grief.

JCMAN320
September 8th, 2006, 06:40 PM
REMEMBERING SEPT. 11

TEAR-DROPPING IN
Clinton tops A-list for Bayonne 9/11 tribute

Friday, September 08, 2006
By RONALD LEIR
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Former President Bill Clinton and his wife, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., will be among the dignitaries when Bayonne dedicates its 100-foot-tall "teardrop" memorial on Monday.

Clinton will speak at the event, according to a spokeswoman for Rubenstein Associates, a New York public relations firm hired by Zurab Tsereteli, the Russian sculptor who designed the memorial.

The 100-foot-tall, 175-ton bronze monument, "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," is a gift to the United States from Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Russian people and Tsereteli. The monument also bears the names of the victims of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 2001 terrorist attacks on America.

The monument, along with the new Harbor View Park, will be dedicated Monday at 2:30 p.m.

Also scheduled to appear are Sergei Mironov, chairman of the Russian Federal Council, U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, who is a former U.S. attorney for New Jersey, U.S. Sens. Robert Menendez and Frank Lautenberg, Gov. Jon Corzine, and Bayonne Mayor and state Sen. Joseph V. Doria Jr.

Grammy-winning country music artist LeAnn Rimes will sing the national anthem and an a cappella version of "Amazing Grace." Russian-born soprano Dina Kuznetsova will also perform.

Members of the public may arrive by car or they may take the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail Transit System to the 34th Street station where they may board shuttle buses, leaving at 12:45, 1:25 and 1:55 p.m., to the Peninsula.

The September 11th . Bayonne Remembers Committee is sponsoring an Interfaith Memorial Service and Candlelight Vigil at 7 p.m. in Harbor View Park at the Peninsula. Shuttle buses will leave at 6 p.m. from Catholic War Veterans Post 1612, 18 W. 23rd St., to the Peninsula.

JCMAN320
September 8th, 2006, 09:34 PM
Bayonne's 9/11 memorial has too many names

Bayonne’s 100-foot sculpture, being unveiled Monday on the fifth anniversary of 9/11, honors thousands of terrorist attack victims, and then some: Carved into the granite base are the names of more than 40 people who weren’t killed on Sept. 11.

The majestic sculpture across the Hudson River from Ground Zero will feature names of 3,024 people once believed to have died in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the Twin Towers, the Pentagon and on United Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.

The problem is that the Russian artist who created the work used an outdated list of names of those missing at the World Trade Center.

“We did the best that could have been done under the circumstances,” said Emily Madoff, an attorney for artist Zurab Tsereteli.

Madoff said that she consulted several sources to try to determine the correct names before seeking confirmation from Kenneth Feinberg, the former special master of a federal Sept. 11 victim compensation fund, who referred her to a book published by The New York Times in 2003.

She said she never knew to contact the city, which has kept the official death toll for New York since the attacks.

She said she drew her list from the book, which identifies victims as of spring 2003. It includes 43 names that were removed by the medical examiner’s office in October 2003 and January 2004 because the city couldn’t confirm their deaths or, in some cases, their existence, according to Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner.

The names removed included illegal immigrants whose jobs were not well documented and missing people whose relatives say they were near the trade center on Sept. 11. Some claims were made up in attempts to rip off the government.

One name, Paul Herman Vanvelzer, was apparently a fabrication by a California woman who claimed she was a Sept. 11 victim’s mother.

Some victims’ family members said the erroneous names need to be removed.

“It kind of cheapens the whole thing,” said Jack Lynch, whose firefighter son Michael Lynch was killed on Sept. 11.

The memorial, called “To the Struggle Against World Terrorism,” is not the only Sept. 11 tribute to run into such problems. In Jersey City, a memorial dedicated in 2002 to 40 victims was redone for $7,500.

The sculpture evokes the Twin Towers that once stood across the Hudson River. In the middle, a 40-foot steel teardrop hangs like a bell in the open center.

Its groundbreaking last September drew Russian President Vladimir Putin, and its dedication Monday is expected to bring former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Gov. Jon S. Corzine.

The official Sept. 11 death toll stands at 2,973: 2,749 at the trade center, 184 at the Pentagon and 40 in Pennsylvania.

Associated Press

Also please can the administrator please change the title from JC Memorial to "To The Stuggle Against World Terrorisim Memorial".

AKOS2006
September 12th, 2006, 03:17 AM
It looks like a vagina with a drop of sperm.

There is a word ("pizdets") in Russian. It means a terrible end of something/somebody, or, critical situation with no exit.

Pizdets - is a derivation from "pizda" (coarse word) that means "vagina".

So, this monument means, that The Pizdets is coming !

AKOS2006
September 12th, 2006, 03:23 AM
This monument looks like vagina with drop of something. The allusion is:

There is a word ("pizdets") in Russian. It means a terrible end of something/somebody, or, critical situation with no exit.

Pizdets - is a derivation from "pizda" (coarse word) that means "vagina".

So, this monument means, that The Pizdets is coming !

SpSt
September 12th, 2006, 07:01 AM
This monument looks like vagina with drop of something. The allusion is:

There is a word ("pizdets") in Russian. It means a terrible end of something/somebody, or, critical situation with no exit.

Pizdets - is a derivation from "pizda" (coarse word) that means "vagina".

So, this monument means, that The Pizdets is coming !


Welcome to the Wilderness of Mother Russia!
We used to "clap with our hands" thru ages.
We used to watch these "masterpieces" since we're a babies!..

We are!
We are THE RUSSIAN BEARS.

MEDVED'S

MEDVED WILL SAVE THOU!

injcsince81
September 12th, 2006, 07:11 AM
Zurab Tsereteli is a megalomaniacal quack.

He defaced Moscow with his "sculptures", and now Bayonne.

I hope I won't be seeing this "sculpture" too much, although I do hope that now that it is on the tip of the Military Ocean Terminal I can check it out (MOT, not the sculpture).

Will they let me in?

Or is it still only open to cruise passengers?

JCMAN320
September 12th, 2006, 09:53 AM
Injc I'm not sure.

I was there yesterday at the ceremony. I'll be honest and I hate to admit it, but in person it doesn't look that bad at all. Many people who hated it, like me, that were there said that the pictures and renderings don't do it justice. The steel part is made of Bronze so it won't turn green like the Statue of Liberty, the hanging tear is nickle plated and reflective glass, and the base is granite with 11 sides with all the names of the people that died from all the attacks that took place on 9/11 and including the names of the people that died in the 93' WTC Bombing. Also there are 9 walkways leading to the monument and there are pavers along the side with messages in them from people around the area. I have a commerative book of the monument which is like 203 pages and depicts the whole process of creating it and finding a spot with letters from people and pictures of the construction. I met Bill Clinton and he signed my book, I also got Zurab Tsereteli to sign it as well. Leann Rimes sang the National Anthem and Chertoff was there as well and he spoke and so did Bill Clinton and Gov. Corzine. At the end they all laid flowers at the base and the public was then allowed and I laid 3 for the friends I had killed and I found their names and touched the rose to the names and laid it beneath it.

The thing absolutely massive. You can see it from Brooklyn, the Brooklyn Bridge, the Verazanno Bridge, Liberty Island, Liberty State Park, The Battery, Downtown JC, and the Staten Island Ferry.

The MOT is the perfect place for it it is out in the harbor for everyone to see. If it was on the Waterfront in Downtown JC, it would get lost among the buildings and the only people who could see it were people who were Downtown or on Manhattan's Westside and people coming up the river, that's it. Also the fact that it would have been anchored in the water I didn't like. This is out there for the whole harbor to enjoy and will be seen by all.

Also it's good Bayonne has this; we in Jersey City have the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, and the Jersey Central Railroad Terminal as the "Historic Trilogy" that represents the freedom and hope of all immigrants that came to this new world and their stuggle and yearning to be free. This monument/memorial To the "World's Struggle Against Terrorism" will greet people as they come to the harbor and become a symbol of when America lost it's "innocence" and our continuing fight to be free and not live in fear and that one day that "tear of grief" will become a tear of hope, joy, and happiness, if and when we beat the terrorists.

I will post pics I took there this evening. Here is an atricle from the Jersey about the ceremony and the front page has the picture of the monument for the entire cover.

FINISH THE JOB CLINTON SAYS

Tuesday, September 12, 2006
By RONALD LEIR
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Speaking at the dedication of Bayonne's 100-foot-tall memorial to the victims of terrorism, former President Bill Clinton yesterday called on the government to "finish the job 9/11 left us with" by implementing all the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission and by sending more troops to bolster Afghanistan's fledgling democracy.

Clinton was on hand, along with U.S. Sens. Frank Lautenberg and Robert Menendez, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, and Bayonne Mayor and state Sen. Joseph V. Doria Jr. for the unveiling of the 175-ton monument, "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism."

The memorial, a gift from artist Zurab Tsereteli and the people of Russia to Bayonne, was dedicated to those killed in terrorist attacks - specifically those killed on 9/11 as well as the victims of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

The monument's granite base is engraved with the names of thousands of people killed in the attacks - and, in an error, the names of 43 people who weren't.

Clinton urged the Bush administration to "allocate the funds of homeland security based on real risk, not political pork," to put real effort into inspecting container cargo and to find a defense against liquid bombs on airplanes.

"I can't believe we can't afford it," Clinton said, drawing applause from the special guests and from a crowd of a few hundred members of the public cordoned off from direct viewing of the proceedings. They generally stood - or sat on the few chairs available - on either side of the stage.

Security was the word of the day as people who drove to the afternoon event had to pass through a phalanx of police personnel from various agencies, including several with automatic weapons, and bomb-sniffing dogs from the Union County Sheriff's Office before advancing to a parking area. From there, shuttle buses took them about a mile to the ceremony site.

Still, folks were glad to share in the activities and everybody seemed impressed with the enormous bronze monument.

"It's absolutely stunning - it takes your breath away," Bayonne's Maria Barone said.

Barone said she came "to remember those lost and to celebrate their lives and how the country comes together and to thank God for the beauty of freedom which (the terrorists) tried to take away."

Bayonne's Abbey Aznar, a retired teacher, called the monument "absolutely beautiful."

Rose Tynes, of Staten Island, said she came to see Bill Clinton, but found the memorial "very lovely."

Joan Haslach, who said she knew two WTC victims, was at her job a block and a half from the site when the planes hit "so it's a day I'll never forget." After the crashes, Haslach said, she ran to another building in the South Street Seaport and escaped harm, "but I saw it all. I waited until (the dust clouds) settled and then I headed uptown."

New Jersey Commerce Secretary Virginia Bauer and Julia Collins, author of "Love You, Mean It," both of whom lost husbands on 9/11, spoke on behalf of victims' families.

"America's faith is unshakable," Collins said.

The hourlong program concluded with a rousing rendition of "America the Beautiful" by the Jubilation Choir of Newark.

JCMAN320
September 12th, 2006, 10:03 PM
To the World's Struggle Against Terrorism

http://www.nj.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/njo/images/7513/17.jpg

AKOS2006
September 13th, 2006, 02:23 AM
To the World's Struggle Against Terrorism

http://www.nj.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/njo/images/7513/17.jpg
One of the meaning of this monument means "Hey, guys, come in and **** us again"

OmegaNYC
September 13th, 2006, 02:48 PM
That is interesting, to say the least.

Ninjahedge
September 13th, 2006, 03:08 PM
I think the gash just does not look right.

i do not think of the TT when I see this, or anything about what happened, and that drip thing look smore like silver spittle than a tear......

My opinion though.

kurokevin
September 13th, 2006, 03:31 PM
Is it wrong of me to think that this looks like a gigantic scrotum?

one_day _user
September 13th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Please do not call Zurab Tsereteli Russian. He is not Russian, he is Georgian (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)).Russia)). Russia and russians hate his so called art. Say thank you to those, who payed him. Russian

JCMAN320
September 15th, 2006, 10:55 AM
'OFF THE GRASS'
'Teardrop' park off limits until sod takes root

Friday, September 15, 2006
By RONALD LEIR
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Bayonne's newly dedicated Harbor View Park and the 9/11 "teardrop" memorial at the Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor are now off limits to the public - until the Bayonne Local Redevelopment Authority can restore, and expand, the landscaping.

BLRA Executive Director Nancy Kist said: "We need to fix the stuff that was damaged by people trampling on it (during Monday's 9/11 dedication ceremony).

"We had sod laid (this past) weekend for the ceremony, but half the park isn't landscaped yet - the area from where we had the stage to the risers (for press photographers) still has to be done. We didn't get all the sod down because (Hurricane) Ernesto got in our way."

"The park will reopen before the end of the month, although that's somewhat weather dependent," she added. "We realize we're putting down the sod late in the season so we'll just have to water it and water it and hope it takes hold. If not, we may replant in the spring."

Eighteen months from now, Kist said, the BLRA hopes to complete an expansion of the Harbor View Park's eastern boundary with the aid of $600,000 in Green Acres funding, coupled with about the same amount from its capital budget.

The existing park was financed by $500,000 from the Hudson County Open Space Trust Fund and $300,000 from Royal Caribbean International.

Zurab Tsereteli, the Russian artist who designed the memorial, paid for the monument and its lighting fixtures.

Meanwhile, to facilitate public access to the Peninsula, Kist said, the BLRA will open "The First Mile" of the public waterfront walkway - from the entrance at Route 440 and 32nd Street to the BLRA office on Port Terminal Boulevard - at 1 p.m. Sept. 23.

That stretch of the walkway directly across from the new Bayonne Golf Club features views of New York Harbor and "will be open from dawn to dusk," Kist said.

"Police (at the front gate) won't stop people from using that first mile path, but there will be a secondary gate at the end of the path where police will keep people away from construction activity," Kist said.

People arriving by car can park at the entrance or along the shoulder of the road along that first mile, Kist said.

Further extension of the walkway will have to await demolition of an old Army property known as Building 41 and additional "stabilization of the south shoreline" between Building 41 and the privately operated drydock, Kist said. The state Department of Environmental Protection has allocated $2.2 million for part of the job, she said.

LocoAko
September 16th, 2006, 12:03 PM
That thing is absolutely massive. You can see it from Exchance Place? I'll have to look next time I'm there. It looks kind of better in person but I still do'nt like it. And names of 40 people who didn't die? Wow. That's terrible.

lofter1
September 16th, 2006, 12:38 PM
The Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor (http://www.bayonnelra.com/presentation.pdf#search=%22Peninsula%20%22Bayonne% 20Harbor%20%22%22) (pdf with renderings of the area, including Harbor View Park and the public waterfront walkway)

Info on the former Military facilities in the area: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/bayonne.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/nyc-fig16-3.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/BAYONNEPORT.jpg

lofter1
September 16th, 2006, 12:54 PM
Models / Renderings of the Peninsula area nearby the Memorial: http://www.eekarchitects.com/portfolio_projects.cfm?projectID=49659&currentImage=48022

http://63.240.68.122/FirmFiles/8/images/43012-Water-Plan-l6.jpg

http://63.240.68.122/FirmFiles/8/images/43012-Model-large.jpg

http://63.240.68.122/FirmFiles/8/images/43012-Siteplan-large.jpg

injcsince81
September 16th, 2006, 01:27 PM
The Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor (http://www.bayonnelra.com/presentation.pdf#search=%22Peninsula%20%22Bayonne% 20Harbor%20%22%22) (pdf with renderings of the area, including Harbor View Park and the public waterfront walkway)

Info on the former Military facilities in the area: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/bayonne.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/nyc-fig16-3.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/BAYONNEPORT.jpg



good stuff, lofter1.

this aerial pic is cool.

JohnFlint1985
July 23rd, 2007, 12:27 AM
I think the monument is ok. Tsereteli gave it to us as a gift - lets show some respect.

LeCom
August 17th, 2007, 11:22 AM
would give us a memorial - but can't they give us one that isn't just plain fugly?
Don't blame this on Russia as a whole. Tsereteli is a hack, and Russians know this much better than the Americans, making his monuments the butt of numerous jokes. I also appreciate his gesture, yet in my opinion the monument blows and screw him for saying it's from Russia as a whole. Imagine if Gene Kaufman has designed a tower for Moscow and said it's his gift from the American people.

newyork_lawyer
January 27th, 2008, 03:08 PM
I personally do not like this memorial, and I feel that govt should spend their money wisely. :)


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BrooklynRider
January 27th, 2008, 04:42 PM
Is it wrong of me to think that this looks like a gigantic scrotum?

One-nut scrotum.

injcsince81
January 27th, 2008, 04:56 PM
One-nut scrotum.

All that being said, a visit to the former MOTBY and Tsereteli's 9/11 monument is a great trip.

You drive by all the defunct military buildings, through at least one police checkpoint, by the dry dock where last year they painted the Intrepid after getting it out of the NY Harbor muck, and finally you arrive at the gigantic metal crack with a tear hanging in the middle of it.

I recommend striper fishing from that pier.