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January 6th, 2004, 01:53 AM
January 6, 2004

The New Queen

In May 1969, two months after the Concorde's first flight, New Yorkers couldn't help feeling a pang of nostalgia upon watching the Queen Elizabeth 2 gracefully make her way into the harbor for the first time. Everyone assumed that this sleek new flagship of the Cunard Line would be the last great ocean liner ever built.

She wasn't. Fast-forward more than three decades, and it's the age of supersonic flight that is over, with the recent retirement of the Concorde. Ocean liners, oddly enough, live on. The new $800 million Queen Mary 2, which Queen Elizabeth II will christen on Thursday, will take over trans-Atlantic duties from the ship that shares the monarch's name.

So one of the more poignant sights of 2004 promises to be that of the first new ocean liner in a generation as it makes its way up the Hudson and past the mothballed Concorde, which is now part of the Intrepid complex.

Plenty of cruise ships are built these days, but the Queen Mary 2 is advertised as the first true ocean liner since the Queen Elizabeth 2. A steel-hulled behemoth, the Queen Mary 2 is the largest passenger ship of any type ever built and will be capable of crossing the North Atlantic at a brisk 30 knots an hour, regardless of the weather. Triple the size of the Titanic, the Queen Mary 2 weighs about 150,000 tons, rises 23 stories high and generates enough power for a city of 300,000.

The ship combines the classic lines of its Cunard ancestors with some suspicious cruise-ship traits, like those stateroom balconies that make today's vessels look like floating condos. Staterooms will cost $1,500 to $30,000 a week per passenger, making the Queen Mary 2 a billion-dollar bet that some of the same affluent types who favored the Concorde can be lured onto the high seas.

The arrival of a new ocean liner may no longer be the blockbuster civic event it was when the first Queen Mary sailed into New York in the 1930's. Still, the new ship represents a renewal of one of the city's oldest links to the rest of the world, a link that dates to Samuel Cunard's 1839 contract to take mail across the Atlantic on three 800-ton, 300-horsepower ships. With that in mind, and with a pang of nostalgia, we wish the new queen a long, charmed life.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company




January 6th, 2004, 05:45 AM
30 knots! That's speedy.

Carnival, the owner of the QMII, is considering a Brooklyn port facility for the new ship. Info here. (http://www.waterfrontmatters.org/pages/1/index.htm)

January 6th, 2004, 10:59 AM
Cruises from Brooklyn? (http://forums.wirednewyork.com/viewtopic.php?t=243)

January 6th, 2004, 12:27 PM
After those 2 ships went to friggin' Jersey, the city better make the Brooklyn deal and better fix up the West Side. Cruises from NYC are booming and is a big money maker for everyone.

Why does the city need to lose shit to Jersey BEFORE it does the right thing?

January 6th, 2004, 01:47 PM
That's why local competition is a good thing.

January 6th, 2004, 02:15 PM
Triple the size of the Titanic...
Holy $hit!

January 6th, 2004, 03:33 PM
The Titanic wasn't that big... and by triple the size they most likely mean gross tonnage, not length. Titanic was 600-800ft if I remember, so it would be about double.

TLOZ Link5
January 6th, 2004, 06:27 PM
The Titanic was 882 feet, the Queen Mary is over 1,100 feet.

January 6th, 2004, 07:11 PM
Ok, 600-800, I was close enough :p

In that case, QM2 is less than double...

The world's largest cruise ship class (there are five ships of it) is 1020ft long, not much shorter than QM2.

January 7th, 2004, 08:11 PM
It's sleek, not like the fat sea-buses.

Queen Mary 2 (http://www.cruiseserver.net/travelpage/ships/cu_qm2.asp)

January 7th, 2004, 08:27 PM
A good deal of 'sea-buses' are sleek...

January 7th, 2004, 08:46 PM


January 7th, 2004, 08:49 PM
...not Crown or Regal Princess.

Royal Caribbean's middle phase Vision class maybe...

January 7th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Cruise junkies?

January 7th, 2004, 08:55 PM

January 7th, 2004, 09:03 PM

Vision of the Seas
Captain Ralph Kramden


January 7th, 2004, 09:08 PM
That's a highly distorted picture.

Enchantment and Grandeur of the Seas, Vision class ships




January 8th, 2004, 08:00 AM
The camera adds gross tonnage.

January 12th, 2004, 06:11 AM
Have a look on n-tv, its a german news-channel whit website.
They had a nice photoshow about the new queen:

Bye, Jürgen

January 12th, 2004, 09:02 AM
NY Newsday

Queen Mary 2 Rules the High Seas

By Arline Bleecker
Arline Bleecker is the cruise columnist for the Orlando Sentinel, a Tribune Co. newspaper.

January 8, 2004

There's to be a coronation in England today, and the behemoth-of-the-seas crown goes to the $800-million Queen Mary 2 - the largest, longest, tallest, widest and most expensive passenger ship ever built.

It is taller, keel to smokestack, than the Statue of Liberty; longer and heavier than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier; and can generate enough power to light Southampton, England, its home port.

With Great Britain's Queen Elizabeth II christening the ship today and its maiden voyage set for Monday, Cunard Line's first new vessel in more than 34 years will displace twice as much ocean as its largest sibling, the Queen Elizabeth 2, tipping the scales at 151,400 gross registered tons and accommodating more than 2,600 passengers.

Bigger still is the ship's responsibility as newly crowned Cunard flagship. The QM2 follows in the storied wake of the QE2, the world's best-known and most tradition-encrusted ocean liner.

In terms of style, the QM2 is Cunard's attempt to straddle the fine line between past and future to create a ship that retains the gracious lifestyle of, say, Buckingham Palace, but with the hip vibes of an Ian Schrager hotel.

The QM2 will dethrone the QE2 in April, when the new vessel becomes the only ocean liner to make regular transatlantic crossings between New York and Southampton. At that time, the aging QE2 will get a well-deserved face-lift and retreat to Europe for seasonal cruises and round-the-world voyages. Before it assumes the transatlantic route, though, the QM2 will spend the winter primarily cruising the Caribbean from Fort Lauderdale.

To build the QM2 for today's passengers, the first thing that had to be scrapped was the declassé concept of class, something deeply embedded in the British psyche. The original QM and QE divided passengers into three classes and, as a consequence, were constructed to keep the Leonardo DiCaprio types from mingling with the Kate Winslet types. Passengers in steerage found themselves confronted with dead ends and craftily constructed mazes that segregated them.

"God forbid if anyone met someone from another class in those days," says Maureen Ryan, who has worked aboard three generations of Cunard queens, starting out as lady assistant purser on the QM and QE, and now working as a hostess on the QE2.

The QM2, by contrast, will be classy but nearly classless. While retaining the exclusivity of the Queens Grill - a fleetwide restaurant restricted to passengers booking the highest echelon of suites - the QM2 removes all traces of its predecessor's maze. Its sweeping contiguous spaces transcend the QE2's design flaws, says Stephen Payne, a project management director involved with the ship's design and construction.

Beyond the few vestiges of snobbishness, as well as a dress code that includes four formal nights out of six, the QM2 is truly a one-class ship, with plenty onboard to appeal to passengers across the board. It boasts the balconied suites, lavish spa and high-tech touches absent on its ancestors. It has 10 restaurants, including the 1,347- seat Britannia Restaurant, which spans the width of the ship and rises three stories. Its grand columns and sweeping central staircase evoke the classic ocean-liner dining associated with the Gilded Age.

The immense Kings Court, a casual dining venue by day, transforms at night into four sit-down restaurants: Lotus, for Asian cuisine; La Piazza for Italian specialties (open 24 hours); The Carvery for carved meats; and the innovative Chef's Galley, where, just before dining, passengers can watch the chefs prepare their meals. The rustic Todd English Restaurant, a contemporary, by-reservation venue overlooking the aft pool, offers Mediterranean cuisine. (Another celebrity chef, Daniel Boulud, is the ship's culinary consultant.)

On the effervescent side, a bubbly 64-seat Champagne bar is the first and only seagoing venture of Veuve Clicquot, one of France's oldest and most prestigious Champagne houses. The ship also boasts the largest seagoing wine cellar, with more than 350 labels and, on average, 45,000 bottles.

Sleeping quarters also raise the bar. Of 1,310 staterooms and suites, nearly three quarters (or 955) offer breezy private balconies - a far cry from accommodations on the original QM and QE, which had no air conditioning or balconies. The smallest cabin category on the QM2 offers a more-than-respectable 194 square feet - light years better than even some upscale accommodations on QM2's regal siblings.

As for splendor, nothing tops the five two-story apartments overlooking the ship's stern. These suites, among the largest and most lavish afloat, are 1,566 or 2,249 square feet. Each features a gym, balcony, two marble bathrooms with tubs and showers, a guest bathroom with shower, and a library.

QM2 also features the world's first seagoing Canyon Ranch SpaClub, 20,000 square feet spread over two decks; an 8,000-volume library and bookshop; in-cabin Xbox video game entertainment; a lush winter garden, British nannies for the kids, and, of course, Cunard's signature kennel for pets.

In the 1,094-seat Royal Court Theater, passengers will enjoy full-scale, West End-style productions - presumably more sophisticated than the Vegas-style revues on other cruise ships. London's Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, training ground for British stars from John Gielgud to Anthony Hopkins, will supply a company of actors to perform and to lead workshops. And the ship boasts the first-ever planetarium at sea.

Demand for the QM2's Monday maiden voyage - a 14-day westbound crossing from Southampton, England, to Fort Lauderdale - was so brisk that even Carnival Corp. chief executive Micky Arison, whose company owns Cunard, had to surrender his cabin.

The ship is to sail three western Caribbean cruises from Fort Lauderdale, the first departing Jan. 31. In February, it will sail to Rio and back. In late March, the QM2 will cruise from Fort Lauderdale to England. Then, on April 16, the ship will begin its regular transatlantic service between Southampton and New York.

The Queen Mary 2's first eastbound transatlantic crossing is set for April 25, when it sails from New York. And it will be a day to witness: With running mate QE2 in the lead, the pair will depart the Manhattan piers in the afternoon of what is to be the QE2's last Atlantic crossing from New York to England. (The QM2 will clear the Verrazano Bridge by only 10 feet, while the QE2 has a 50-foot headway. Fans of the ships will be able to view them from Battery Park in Manhattan or Hoboken, N.J.)

Somewhere mid-ocean, the two Cunard vessels will close the distance between them, and the flagship role so long held by the QE2 will be symbolically passed to the QM2, which then will lead both liners into Southampton in a full show of royalty.

Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.

Photo Gallery of QM2 (http://www.nynewsday.com/entertainment/nyc-marygal0107,0,7637871.photogallery)

Virtual Tour (http://www.cunard.com/QM2/QM2_no_intro.swf)

January 12th, 2004, 09:54 PM
It looks boring. Very conservative and compartmentalized.

January 12th, 2004, 10:06 PM
It is trying to 'recall old liners'...

Some of the internal things look nice though. (but of course I prefer Enchantment of the Seas)

January 13th, 2004, 04:19 AM
It is boring and expensive, but fully booked for the next years !
Better to fly, so we have one week more for nyc. And the money for shopping :wink: !

Bye Jürgen

January 13th, 2004, 09:18 AM
It doesn't matter. As long as it looks good from the outside.

January 20th, 2004, 10:33 AM
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January 21st, 2004, 01:29 PM
Yes! :P

I have to talk my soulmate into this. Last time in Alaska, she wanted to cruise, and I argued that we should not experience the country from the deck of a ship.

There was a 3 hour wait at Seattle for the connecting flight to Ketchikan. We all sampled some Seattle microbrews, and got a little ripped.

April 9th, 2004, 10:22 AM
Queen Mary 2 is scheduled to berth in 2 weeks on Friday, April 23rd, at 17:45 at Pier 92 Berth 5, and depart on Sunday, April 25th.

April 9th, 2004, 12:45 PM
USA Today
April 9, 2004

QM2: The queen of all ships lives up to her billing

When he's not navigating TV's tempests, USA TODAY critic Robert Bianco probably can be found on a ship. He has taken more than 30 cruises, including a 10-day voyage out of Fort Lauderdale on Cunard's new Queen Mary 2 in March. Here are his impressions of the world's biggest ship as it prepares for its first trans-Atlantic crossing from Southampton, England, to New York next week.

QM2 melds the glamour of the golden era of trans-Atlantic travel with the energy and activity of modern-day, high-tech cruising.

Cross the Atlantic on the Queen Mary 2, and you're likely to run out of ocean before you run out of ship. The largest, tallest, longest passenger vessel ever built, the QM2 melds the glamour of the golden era of trans-Atlantic travel with the energy and activity of modern-day, high-tech cruising. (Related item: What to know before you sail (http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2004-04-08-sailing-tips_x.htm))

And despite some to-be-expected early jitters, she's sailing to success.

If you're going, think big. No matter if you've heard the stats — 1,132 feet long, 135 feet across, about 23 stories tall — the size still shocks.

Happily, that expanse has been put to spacious use. Though the QM2 is twice as big as her famous sister, the QE2, her passenger load is only 40% greater (2,600 vs. the QE2's 1,800). That gives the QM2 one of the highest space-per-passenger ratios on the seas.

Cabins range from duplex apartments to large balcony staterooms to serviceable standard cabins that, at 200 square feet, are larger than the smallest on most of her big-ship competitors. The inviting cabins resemble a Scandinavian interpretation of art deco — blond wood and gentle curves — and come with plush comforters, 250-thread-count linens, robes and slippers. If you can do without a window, inside cabins can be a great deal. (Mine, booked early, was $1,500, without airfare, for a 10-day trip).

The oversized public rooms and grand vistas can be overwhelming at first. Yet by the end of our cruise, the ship felt, if not cozy, at least comfortable.

Inside and out, the QM2 is beautiful — and not many new ships rate such praise. Unlike most modern liners, which cram so many balcony cabins into every available space that they end up looking like floating cell blocks, the QM2 resembles the liner most of us only know from '30s movies.

Inside, the public rooms are a compromise between the old (a stately ballroom and library, with shelf after shelf of books in elegant glass-fronted cases) and the new (a computer learning center and state-of-the-art spa run by Arizona's Canyon Ranch).

While the overall effect is stunning, the attempt to replicate the liner look occasionally falters, and grand gives way to kitsch (as with the bas relief murals of the continents).

Outside, open decks cascade at the stern and connect to the most enticing promenade deck at sea, a third of a mile around. At its front, metal doors let you out onto the bow. Go at night, with the stars above you, the huge, white superstructure looming behind you, the ocean all around, and you get a sense of both how huge the ship is and how tiny it is in relation to the world it sails.

It's a thrill to enter a port on a vessel this impressive — and this well-promoted. In the Caribbean, islanders either ignore cruise ships or see them as freighters with walking American wallets as cargo. But when the QM2 arrives, locals line up to take pictures.

On a ship this large, just getting from your bed to brunch can be a hike. (The QM2 can feel like two ships soldered into one.) Some compensate by zooming around on rented scooters, often with little regard for pillars or fellow passengers. This may be the only ship that needs a posted speed limit.

Another downside of a ship this large and heavily publicized is that it invites inflated expectations — the same problem that has always plagued the QE2. Though Cunard is marketing the QM2 as a luxury liner, keep in mind that it's luxury on a sliding scale.

If you're one of the 386 passengers paying $6,000 and up for six days in a suite, you'll eat in one of the elite "grill" restaurants, which offer more personal attention, and encourage special orders. The rest of the passengers get a more mainstream experience in the Britannia restaurant — albeit one at the very best end of that stream.

The food served in that dining room, which may be the most gorgeous public room on any new ship, is as good as you're likely to find in any restaurant — land or sea — that serves 1,200 diners at a time. A few dishes are excellent; most are fine. The ones that aren't (a soggy bananas foster on our sailing), you send back.

Still, there are times when there are more passengers in one place than the staff can handle. Service in the main restaurant can be spotty (though it was clearly better in March than on the January maiden voyage). Service also can be slow in the more popular bars before dinner.

Everywhere, though, you can see the staff working to get things right. A vegetarian friend went to Lotus, a no-charge alternative restaurant, and found nothing on the menu he could eat. The waiters went around to the other restaurants and collected dinner for him.

Ships, of course, evolve. Thomas Rennesland, who supervises everything pertaining to passenger comfort on the QM2, says the ship is adjusting to cruisers' input. The main restaurant now has more supervisors, larger portions and lobster tails on the menu.

"We are still fine-tuning," Rennesland says. "We're still discovering ways to make it better. ... The company has given us everything we asked. Now it's up to us to deliver."

A queen merits no less.

Copyright 2004 USA TODAY

April 11th, 2004, 09:14 PM
QM II and QE II leave on Sunday afternoon, April 25th. It's a noteworthy departure for both boats: the maiden Eastbound voyage for the former; the final transatlantic voyage for the other. The older boats leaves first, at 4:45, and shortly after both make it into the Atlantic the newer craft passes in a ceremonial "passing of the torch."

Should be quite a sight from the West Side or Battery Park.

TLOZ Link5
April 11th, 2004, 11:23 PM
...JD, you nearly had me going. I actually reread your post twice to be absolutely positive that you hadn't written anything negative.

Am I hallucinating?

April 12th, 2004, 08:46 PM
It's strange, isn't it? I don't blame you for rereading my post, TLOZ Link5. Blame my good cheer on the spring.

Fear not; my usual bilious self will pop out like some demonic Jack-in-the-Box ere long. Air Train, anyone? Or perhaps the many virtues of Penn Station?

April 17th, 2004, 07:53 PM
April 18, 2004

A Ship So Big, the Verrazano Cringes


Slide Show: Hail to the Queen (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2004/04/18/nyregion/20040418_QUEEN_SLIDESHOW_1.html)

A Queen does not have to live by everyday rules, especially not a Queen whose, um, measurements exceed those of famous ancestors.

The Queen in question here is the new Queen Mary 2, the 1,132-foot-long Cunarder whose maiden voyage to New York this week has steamship buffs longing for the days when crossing the Atlantic took days, not hours, and when the ships were as stylish as the passengers. Dowdy freighters and impersonal container ships the grand old ocean liners were not.

"This is like the second coming for steamship buffs," said William Miller, the author of 60 books on ships and the adjunct curator of the ocean liner collection at the South Street Seaport Museum. "It's almost mind-boggling, a liner of this size arriving in New York."

The Queen Mary 2 is the longest, tallest, widest and heaviest nonmilitary vessel in history. That includes the ship's famous relatives, the original Queen Mary (now a hotel by the docks in Long Beach, Calif.) and the Queen Elizabeth 2.

The Queen Mary 2 is also the most expensive ship in the world, both to build and to board. It cost $800 million, and accommodations range from $1,869 for a cabin to $27,499 for what the Cunard Line calls a "grand duplex."

As if all those superlatives were not enough, Mr. Miller added more: the most celebrated ship of its time, the most publicized ship of its time, the most anxiously awaited ship of its time. "I was getting tired last year, hearing another rivet had been put in the hull or some such, but everybody was on the edge of their seat," he said.

Being the longest ship in the world - 86 feet longer than the Chrysler Building is tall - has its headaches, though. When the Queen Mary 2 docks in Manhattan on Thursday morning, it will be too long for the pier. David Gevanthor, a vice president at Cunard, joked that the Queen Mary 2 will be partly in New Jersey because it will extend more than 100 feet beyond its berth at the Passenger Ship Terminal.

Maritime types like Mr. Miller cannot wait to see that. "She's going to hang out in the river, which has never happened before," Mr. Miller said.

The last time New York welcomed a too-long ship, the city lengthened its too-short pier. The year was 1911; the ship was the Olympic, and the carpenters added 75 feet of wood, Mr. Miller said. This time, a tugboat will patrol the Hudson River to keep other vessels at a distance as the Queen Mary 2 comes and goes.

That is, assuming the Queen Mary 2 makes it under the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. If the Queen Mary 2 were to sail under at high tide, the clearance would be only 13 feet. Indeed, the bridge influenced the shape of the ship. "It looks squat and a little bit dumpy, and that's because of the Verrazano," Mr. Miller said. "The funnel is flatter than it should be." From keel to black-and-red funnel is 236 feet.

Capt. Paul Wright, who was at the helm last month when the Queen Mary 2 arrived in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., was not worried about scraping the Verrazano or about docking in New York. From the ship's bridge, a wide room with plate-glass windows where navigation charts appear on flat-screen computer monitors and the ship's moves are controlled with joysticks, he said that the QM2 handled better than the QE2.

"The QE2 needs good powerful tugs to bring her in, depending on the tide," Captain Wright explained. "This one, we will have a tug standing by for the first time, but she would be quite capable of maneuvering in on her own."

If the weather is bad and the water is rough, there are always the bow thrusters, three large propellers. "We can literally make the ship move sideways," he said. "We can quite comfortably move the ship against a 25- to 30-knot wind." If the bow thrusters can be switched on. A malfunction in Lisbon last week delayed the ship's departure, but Cunard said the problem had been fixed.

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg will welcome the ship on Thursday. Tomorrow, he is expected to announce that the cruise industry has agreed to pay additional port fees that will cover modernizing the Passenger Ship Terminal and adding a berth in Brooklyn. Last year, the city rejected a plan for a $100 million terminal at Pier 7 in Brooklyn.

Tomorrow's announcement comes as cruise line officials worry that the Passenger Ship Terminal cannot handle all the traffic headed to New York. Carnival, the big cruise line that owns Cunard, has more than a dozen ships under construction. Royal Caribbean announced last year that it was moving three ships to Bayonne, N.J.

"Even before they built the Queen Mary 2, there were more and more of the ocean liners, the cruisers, leaving from New York," said Burchenal Green, the executive vice president of the National Maritime Historical Society. "The Queen Elizabeth 2 was a start in helping to bring the cruisers and the ocean liners back, and I think the Queen Mary 2 will be significant to New York in the way that the QE2 was. If you remember 20 years ago, the whole New York harbor was sort of in decay."

The city says the cruise industry accounts for 3,320 jobs and adds almost $600 million to the city's economy. Forecasts that passenger volumes will double by 2014 have steamship buffs shaking their heads in wonder.

"We thought the age of the big superliner, and I know that sounds redundant, was over" in the 1970's, Mr. Miller said. "In 1980, National Geographic said that the QE2, at 70,000 tons, would be the last big ocean liner we'd ever see until there are floating hotels in outer space."

The QE2 is now the 79th largest ocean liner in the world, he said, and 100,000-ton liners are almost ordinary. The QM2 weighs 151,400 tons, which is about as much as 390 fully-loaded 747's, the 500-passenger airplanes that did as much as anything to displace ocean liners as the world's high-volume people carriers.

But a 747 does not have 22 elevators opening on 17 decks; 14 bars and clubs; 6 restaurants; 5 outdoor swimming pools or a planetarium. A 747 does not have 708 staterooms with balconies, 281 interior staterooms looking out on a six-story atrium, 4 suites and 6 penthouses.

Or 1,253 crew members who need to restock those personal necessities. How to recognize a crew member when the Queen Mary 2 is in port? "That would be the person walking straight for the store that sells the fabric softener and the toothpaste," said David Dobbs, a waiter.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

April 18th, 2004, 06:51 PM
NYC & Company
April 18, 2004

Queen Mary 2 Viewing April 22-25, 2004


The Queen Mary 2 (QM2), the world’s grandest luxury liner, arrives April 22, 2004 for the first time at her U.S. home port of New York City.

Following her historic maiden westbound transatlantic voyage from Southampton, England, the QM2 is scheduled to dock at 7:45am at Pier 92 at the New York Cruise Terminal (formerly Passenger Ship Terminal)and depart Sunday, April 25th together with her sister ship Queen Elizabeth 2 in a first-ever tandem sailing.

New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, joined by NYC & Company Chairman Jonathan M. Tisch and President & CEO Cristyne L. Nicholas, Cunard President Pamela Conover, Carnival Corporation Chairman Micky Arison, Commodore Ronald Warwick, Master of the QM2, and other local dignitaries will welcome the ship at a quayside ceremony upon its arrival. New York City will welcome the flagship of the Cunard Line and the British merchant fleet in grand fashion with a U.S. Coast Guard escort and a massive water display by FDNY fireboats. The U.S. Merchant Marine Academy (Kings Point) band and the New York Maritime College marching band will entertain the crowd of onlookers and dignitaries.

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The public is invited to view Queen Mary 2 as she passes through New York Harbor:

- April 22: QM2 will arrive at Statue of Liberty at about 6:45am and sail up the Hudson River to the New York Cruise Terminal by 8am
- April 23: QM2 will depart the cruise terminal at about 11:30am for an overnight cruise and return to the terminal on April 24th at 7:00am
- April 25: both QM2 and QE2 will depart from the cruise terminal, at 7:30pm and 7:45pm respectively, sail down the Hudson River and slowly pass the Statue of Liberty at 8:30pm with a fireworks display by Grucci

There are a number of locations throughout New York City where the general public will be able to enjoy spectacular views of the Queen Mary 2 as she passes along the Hudson River. (Note: due to security and traffic concerns, the public is advised to avoid the area surrounding the Passenger Ship Terminal):

- Hudson River Park public piers along the west side of Manhattan.
- Chelsea Piers (23rd Street and West Side Highway)
- Battery Park
- The Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum (46th St & the West Side Highway)
- Shore Parkway in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn
- Staten Island near the Verrazano Narrows Bridge

Queen Mary 2 is the largest (151,400 tons), longest (1,132 feet/345 meters), tallest (236 feet/72 meters), widest (135 feet/41 meters) and most expensive ($800 million) liner ever built. It is also the first true transatlantic liner to have been built since Cunard’s famous Queen Elizabeth 2 entered service in May 1969.

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In her inaugural year Queen Mary 2 will sail 13 transatlantic crossings between England and New York as she takes over the role currently operated by her famous sister ship QE2. While Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth passed each other port side to port side in New York harbor in November 1963, April 25 will be the first time two Cunard Queens have actually been berthed in the port together since March 1940.

Ms. Nicholas said: "The Queen Mary 2 will be a terrific addition to New York City’s varied tourism offerings. For 158 years Cunard has been sailing between New York and England, this continued investment in New York City underscores the strength and growth potential of the $21 billion dollar tourism industry and the hospitality and excitement of the city. As the ‘world’s second home’ it’s fitting that New York is now the U.S. homeport for the QM2.”

Copyright 2004 NYC & Company, Inc.

April 19th, 2004, 07:16 AM
The floating castle

What does it take to build a liner that weighs 150,000 gross tonnes, then sail with it across the Atlantic? MARTIN VENGADESAN gets the answers from a naval architect.

CERTAIN things hit you when you contemplate an undertaking like the Queen Mary 2 (QM2) the largest passenger liner ever built. Firstly, one thinks of the Titanic and that fateful proclamation that it was unsinkable. Then it’s easy to get blown away by the statistical marvels of the QM2: it is 345m long, 45m wide and 72m high; weighs about 150,000 gross tonnes, has 1,310 cabins and can accommodate 4,000 passengers and crew. It cost US$800mil (RM3.2bil) to build.

It was only after I had spoken to naval architect Stephen Payne, who devoted five-and-a-half years of his life to the construction of this sleek giant, that I could get beyond both the clichés and facts linked to the new liner. Payne, who was speaking to a group of Asian journalists at a press conference conducted via the telephone, could barely contain his excitement about the QM2.

He explained that she was the first transatlantic liner to be built since the Queen Elizabeth 2 (in 1969). Unlike all the other cruise ships, both the QM2 and QE2 are liners. The former has all the in-built strength and speed, power and capacity to cross the North Atlantic under any kind of sea conditions and still maintain her schedule, unlike normal passenger ships.

Naturally, the construction of the QM2 involved numerous people; Payne headed a team of 20 architects in his London office. “The ship was built in France over two years, with 98 prefabricated sections weighing up to 600 tonnes each.

“Our London office began working on the project in May 1998. I started on the design with a colleague and worked on that for about two years before the rest of the team joined in. Once the contract was signed and the shipyard got involved, they took the primary design and worked on it in their technical offices. They used several hundred draftsmen and technicians. We worked very closely with our colleagues from the Cunard Line in Miami, Florida and Southampton, and various other bodies such as Lloyds Register of Shipping and the British Coast Guard Authority.

“The ship was delivered from the French shipyard nearly 100% complete. It was probably one of the best deliveries we have had as a company. Whenever you build a new ship, especially a prototype, there are always things that can go wrong. But the QM2 was complete and it entered service straight away without too many problems.”

For Payne, who had studied naval architecture in Southampton, United Kingdom, the QM2 is the fruition of a life-long dream. In fact, he first served notice of that in 1972: he had written to British children’s TV programme Blue Peter about building a better ship than the original Queen Elizabeth, which was destroyed in a fire that year! Incidentally, he was recently awarded a Blue Peter gold badge – the show’s highest honour - for his work on the QM2!

Payne paid his dues by working on about 30 cruise ships for Carnival Corporation, which he joined in 1985. When the company purchased the Cunard Line (which had owned and operated the previous “Queen” ocean liners) and promptly announced the QM2 project, it gave Payne an opportunity that most naval architects could only dream about.

“My boss, Carnival Corporation chairman Mick Arison, said to me at the start that I would only get one chance in my lifetime to be involved in designing a ship like this, and I had better get it right the first time!”

Naturally, Payne was on the QM2’s maiden transatlantic voyage from Southampton to New York last Jan 12.

“When we left Southampton, there was a huge fireworks display,” he recalled. “As we sailed away, there were cars lined up along the coast, flashing their headlights and sounding their horns. We then went to the Canary Islands, specifically Las Palmas, and across the Atlantic to Barbados and Fort Lauderdale. We had tremendous receptions at most of the ports we visited.”

Payne noted that QM2 was the culmination of a trend that has seen cruise ships growing in size over the last two decades.

“Since the early ‘80s, cruise ships have been getting bigger and bigger, in order to offer more facilities and attractions. To build an expensive liner-type ship economically, and have good returns on the investment, we have to make it as big as possible because then, the lower the cost per bed.”

The size of the ship was also determined by port facilities. Payne said they had to bear in mind the turning basin at Southampton and the piers that jutted out into the River Hudson in New York.

“We had to make sure the ship wasn’t so long that it would be a danger in the river. We also had to get under the Verazzano Narrows bridge in New York, so that dictated how high we could build it. Even with these “constraints”, the QM2 is a whopping 150,000 gross tonnes – three times the size of the Titanic.

Any mention of the Titanic, which sank in 1912, inevitably raises the issue of safety.

“With all the modern systems that we have – fire detection and fire fighting devices, and water-tight doors – there’s certainly no greater risk now. If the ship ever encountered a big storm on the North Atlantic, it should remain stable and comfortable,” Payne said.

“Model tests show that because the QM2 is twice the size of the QE2, its sea-keeping ability is almost twice as good. There are big advantages to being big. Of course, studying the Titanic is one way you can learn and make sure you do better.”

The QM2 is the first ocean liner with a planetarium, which measures 18m in diameter. “You sit in there when all the lights are off and you’ll think you are under a starlit sky.”

Apart from providing the conventional facilities one expects in an ocean liner, like tennis courts, pool and Jacuzzis, Payne did his best to ensure maximum comfort.

“Well, she’s really stable, but some people may still get seasick in a really bad storm. If that occurs, the best place to be is the middle of the ship, low down where the public rooms are on decks two and three. The chart room bar would be a good place!”

The 44-year-old Payne said Carnival Corporation was looking at building an even bigger cruise ship for Carnival cruise lines. In that case, he would have lots to do. “I have another 20 years of my career yet.”

Does designing the QM2 mean that he is the best in his field?

“I think it’s too much to say that anyone is the best naval architect. But I would like to be remembered as a person who did a lot for the QM2.”

Not many people know that a naval architect can adapt his skills to work on the design of an aircraft carrier.

“Obviously, some of the military aspects of the aircraft design are different. But the hard dynamics of a ship’s hull and a lot of the engineering of its machinery can easily be adapted for an aircraft carrier.”

When asked about the most memorable moments during the construction of the QM2, Payne was effusive.

“At the start of construction, we placed some English and French coins at the bottom of the ship for good luck. When it was nearly complete, we placed some coins under the mast at the front, also for good luck. It’s a tradition that goes back hundreds of years.

“The most exciting times must have been the sea trials. You’re doing the speed runs to see if you can make the right speed. You’re also doing things like rolling the ship from side to side to test the stabilizers.

“I think my proudest moment was when the ship left the shipyard for the first time, on its first sea trial. It was the first time it moved under its own power. The whole town stopped work and people came out to see the ship leave. It was an incredible experience.”

So does he have a favourite place on board?

“Yes, the Commodore Club, which is the observation lounge. It looks out over the front of the ship at the very long, pointed bough.”

Despite its mammoth size, QM2 was designed with practicality and simplicity in mind. In fact, you can manoeuvre the whole ship sideways by moving a single joystick on the bridge! But, I mused, doesn’t that always lead to disaster ... like in the movies?

Payne laughed. “Nothing will happen if you accidentally lean against the lever. You have to press a button before it can work. There’s a very sophisticated interlock system to make sure that only one of the levers controls the ship at any time.”

With thousands of people crossing the Atlantic on the QM2 every month, does Payne see it becoming a breeding ground for romance, like The Love Boat?

“I have to say that the success of the Love Boat series generated a lot of awareness and interest in pleasure cruises in the ‘70s and ‘80s. That led the industry to build bigger and bigger ships.” So there!

How does Payne expect the public to react to his dream project?

“I like to think of the QM2 as one of three icons of travel that have resulted from Anglo-French co-operation

“The first project we did with the French was the Concorde, which was a technical, though not commercial, success, The second was the Channel Tunnel, the railway link between London and Paris. The third was the QM2, which I hope will the most profitable. I also hope that the ship will go out to Asia one day.”

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April 19th, 2004, 08:32 AM
The QM2 is the first ocean liner with a planetarium, which measures 18m in diameter. “You sit in there when all the lights are off and you’ll think you are under a starlit sky.”

I guess...on a foggy night. :roll:

April 21st, 2004, 02:25 AM
April 21, 2004

North Atlantic Storms Slow Queen Mary 2's Maiden Voyage to New York


Audio Slide Show: The Queen Mary 2 (http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtml/2004/04/20/travel/20040419_QUEENMARY2_AUDIOSS.html)

After rocking in gale-force winds that sent crystal glasses and flower vases flying and passengers clamoring for seasickness medicine, the Queen Mary 2 is running late on its maiden voyage to New York.

Exactly how late remains to be seen, but definitely too late for the "Today" show. The arrival of the Queen Mary 2 - the 1,132-foot-long Cunarder that is the world's longest, tallest, widest and most expensive passenger ship - had originally been timed for morning television tomorrow.

For much of the day yesterday, Cunard officials said that they expected the ship to make up much of the time it lost when it slowed down for two cyclonelike weather systems in the North Atlantic. But last night, they said it would not sail under the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge and dock in Manhattan until about 10 a.m., two hours behind schedule.

Yesterday, the ship was reported 160 miles south of Cape Race, Newfoundland, the location of the telegraph station that picked up distress signals after the Titanic hit the iceberg that sank it in 1912. Among the 2,600 passengers and 1,250 crew members on board are cruise buffs who have crossed the Atlantic on the ship's smaller predecessors, gossip columnists and tabloid reporters writing about jewel-topped tables and lobster dinners, and waitresses waiting to see New York for the first time.

From the Queen Mary 2, passengers told of waves that slammed against the upper decks of a ship as tall as a 20-story building. They said the ship was bobbing through seas so rough that cabin doors slammed and drinks were flung from the well-polished bars.

"It's definitely been an adventure," Julie Davis, a Cunard official, said by telephone yesterday. "We had a wild ride that first night. We were rocking and rolling."

Another passenger said that on Monday, there was cheering as waves crashed against the plate-glass windows in a third-deck restaurant.

"It was very much a carnival atmosphere," said the passenger, Alistair Turk, a civil engineer from London, "and the passengers and waiters were keeping an eye on the windows to see when the next big wave was coming on."

Six levels above, in the Commodore Club, "you were getting the spray coming right over the windows, which was excellent," he said.

The ship left Southampton, England, on Friday, and ran into bad weather off Scotland. Debbie Nathanson, a Cunard senior vice president in Miami, said that over the weekend, the ship was buffeted by winds of 55 to 63 miles an hour - the strength of a tropical storm, weather experts say.

By yesterday, Ms. Nathanson said, the ship was pushing through a patch of the Atlantic where winds were 39 to 46 miles an hour.

Todd Miner, a meteorologist with Penn State University, said the Queen Mary 2 had sailed through two powerful weather systems. "It took a one-two punch, with punch No. 1 being stronger in terms of magnitude and duration," he said.

Cunard says the Queen Mary 2 can cruise at 30 knots, or about 34.5 miles an hour. But Ms. Nathanson said the captain, Commodore Ronald W. Warwick, had reduced speed considerably to avoid damage.

"His report is, the ship is performing extremely well," Ms. Nathanson said. "I've gotten some e-mails from passengers who just love it, because they're steamship buffs and they like a slightly rougher ride. The ship is built to cover the Atlantic in these conditions, and from everything we're hearing from the officers, it's performing beautifully."

Mr. Turk, who said he had made more than a half-dozen trans-Atlantic crossings on the Queen Elizabeth 2, said there was always a chance that an April trip would be bumpy.

"You tend to compare a ship as big as this to a hotel, a resort," Mr. Turk said. "You get out on the Atlantic and feel movement, you realize it's a piece of engineering. We had pretty rough weather, from what was being announced, but the stewards were still delivering drinks."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

April 21st, 2004, 11:34 PM
April 22, 2004

Security in Place for Arrival of Queen Mary 2


The Queen Mary 2 has made up time it lost to storms in the North Atlantic and is expected to arrive in New York on schedule this morning, a spokesman for the ship's owner, the Cunard Line, said yesterday.

Cunard officials said that the storms in the Atlantic had cleared and that the ship was able to increase its speed during Tuesday night. The liner's six-day maiden cruise to New York has been slowed by gale-force winds and waves that splashed high on the 1,132-foot-long vessel, the world's longest, widest and tallest passenger ship.

The Police Department has planned a range of special security measures for the ship's arrival, Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said yesterday. He said the measures were being undertaken not because of any specific threat, but because of the attention being generated by the vessel's arrival.

Police officers and members of the United States Coast Guard will board the ship at sea, about seven miles from New York Harbor, and police and Coast Guard launches will flank the Queen Mary 2 as it approaches the harbor, Mr. Kelly said. Security will be heavy on the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, where the ship's height will make clearance tighter.

The Police Department's heavily armed Hercules counterterrorism teams will also be posted along the shoreline.

Police helicopters will be part of the ship's escort, and will patrol the airspace above the pier at the Passenger Ship Terminal in Manhattan, where the QM2 will be berthed, Mr. Kelly said. Officers will be stationed on rooftops along the waterfront and across the river in New Jersey, he said. Police divers will be in the water around the terminal, where the department held a drill last night.

"We want to practice," Mr. Kelly said of the drills and the other security measures, "but we also would like the world to know that we're doing it because I see that as having a deterrent effect."

The schedule calls for the Queen Mary 2 to sail under the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge about 6:15 a.m., cruise past the Statue of Liberty about 7 a.m. and begin turning into Pier 92 at the Passenger Ship Terminal 45 minutes later.

The National Weather Service is predicting patches of fog in the harbor this morning, with a chance of drizzle and winds about 12 miles an hour.

The $800 million ship left Southampton, England, on Friday and ran into rough weather over the weekend as it sailed through two storm systems that sent glassware flying, doors slamming and passengers seeking seasickness medicine. There are 2,600 passengers and 1,250 crew members aboard.

Cunard says the Queen Mary 2 can cruise at 30 knots, or about 34.5 miles an hour. On Tuesday, company officials said that the captain, Commodore Ronald W. Warwick, had cut the ship's speed to avoid damage in the storms. Yesterday, they said that the ship, having sailed into calmer waters as it neared the East Coast, had revved up its engines and was making up lost time.

The Queen Mary 2 is to leave New York on Sunday, sailing back to England with the Queen Elizabeth 2, which is scheduled to arrive in New York that morning. Maritime experts say that it will be the first time that two Cunarders have crossed the Atlantic in tandem, rather than passing each other in mid-ocean.

William K. Rashbaum contributed reporting for this article.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

April 22nd, 2004, 01:22 AM
In time for the arrival of Queen Mary 2 in New York I installed Wired New York Webcam (http://www.wirednewyork.com/webcam/default.htm), which is working at the time I am posting this, and might still work 7 hours later when QM2 berths at Pier 92.

I made an announcement in this thread (http://forums.wirednewyork.com/viewtopic.php?t=2816), use it to comment on the webcam and to report any problems.

April 22nd, 2004, 09:41 AM
The Queen Mary 2 (QM2) (http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/default.htm), the world’s grandest luxury liner, arrives April 22, 2004 for the first time at her U.S. home port of New York City.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/cunard_qm2_nypst_22apr04.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/default.htm)

April 22nd, 2004, 09:59 AM
As she passes Lower Manhattan, a three-blast salute from the QM2.

April 22nd, 2004, 03:38 PM
April 22, 2004

A Queen Glides Into New York to End Her Maiden Voyage


Celebratory streams of water were sprayed by fire boats as the Queen Mary 2 docked in Manhattan today.

Slide Show: Queen Mary 2 Arrives in New York City (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2004/04/22/national/20040422_MARY_SLIDESHOW_1.html)

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The world's longest ocean liner sailed under one of the world's longest suspension bridges and beside one of the world's most famous statues this morning, before docking in New York City for the first time.

The ship, the 1,132-foot-long Queen Mary 2, swept under the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge as the sun was coming up on a hazy harbor. The ship, carrying 2,600 passengers and 1,200 crew members, soon glided by the Statue of Liberty, led by tugboats, police vessels and Coast Guard boats, all dwarfed by the black-and-white leviathan.

"It's almost floating in the air," said Adina Rafeld, who watched as the Queen Mary 2 passed the waterfront park just north of the Verrazano, in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn.

The passage through New York Harbor brought a smooth ending to a six-day maiden cruise from England that began with rough seas. It was also slowed by gale-force winds and waves that splashed high on a ship that is taller, wider and longer than any other passenger vessel in history. But the $800 million Queen Mary 2 made up the time it had lost, and today turned into its pier at the Passenger Ship Terminal on the West Side of Manhattan on schedule after all.

The ship's arrival had steamship buffs longing for the days when crossing the Atlantic took days, not hours, and when the ships were as stylish as the passengers. But to New Yorkers who watched the Queen Mary 2 ambling toward its berth today — its speed for most of the way through the harbor was a fraction of its 30-knot maximum (34.5 m.p.h. to landlubbers) — the ship was so out of proportion with everyday reality that it defied the brain's perspective-calculation system.

The Queen Mary 2 has 17 decks and measures 236 feet from keel to funnel. That would be tall anywhere, but in New York harbor, it is about as close to the maximum as can be. If the Queen Mary 2 were to sail under the Verrazano at high tide, the clearance would be only 13 feet.

New York has been buzzing with numbers like those all week. And, as the Queen Mary 2 steamed by, some shipwatchers wondered if it would make it into the harbor without scraping the 4,260-foot-long main span of the Verrazano, while others remembered watching what appeared to be tight fits in the past.

On one aircraft carrier, said Tom Garbie, a former cruise-line passenger greeter who now lives in Brooklyn, "they had to lower some of the antennas."

But the Queen Mary 2 had room to spare, crew members on the bridge said proudly. From their perch in a nearly soundproof room with thick plate-glass windows, they steered the ship through some of the nation's busiest shipping lanes. When they blew the ship's horn, as they did when the Queen Mary 2 passed the site of the World Trade Center, the carpeted floor shook.

They looked to the stern, sticking more than 100 feet beyond the pier in the Hudson River, where police boats were on patrol. Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said on Tuesday that the police were planning a number of special security measures for the ship's arrival, not because of any specific threat but because of all the attention the vessel was getting.

As seamen tied up the ship at the terminal, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and city officials welcomed the Queen Mary 2 during a brief ceremony. "Pretty magnificent, huh?" the mayor said as a band played in the background. He said that he was looking forward to a tour of the ship this weekend "from stem to stern."

"I want to look in every little cupboard and make sure it's all shipshape," he said.

Turning to the Queen Mary 2's captain, Commodore Peter W. Warwick, the mayor said that if the ship were turned on its end, it would be the second-tallest structure on the New York skyline (taller than the Chrysler Building but shorter than the Empire State Building).

"But, Commodore," the mayor said, "we don't ask you to do that maneuver. Please keep it right the way it is."

The mayor joked that he had worried that the captain would call from under the Verrazano "and ask us to raise the bridge a little bit."

"But fortunately you managed to sweep through," the mayor said, "and that was just one of those sights that you'll see in the picture books, 10, 20, 30 years from now. People will look back and say, `You remember that wonderful day?' — the beginning of a colorful tradition."

The Queen Mary 2 is to leave York on Sunday, sailing back to England with the Queen Elizabeth 2, which will arrive that morning. Maritime types say that will be the first time that two Cunarders have crossed the Atlantic in tandem, rather than passing each other in midocean.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

April 22nd, 2004, 04:42 PM
It looks great.

This morning at about 9:30 I heard a few successions of horn blasts. I suppose the QM2 was docked by then; maybe it was nearby maritime celebration.

April 22nd, 2004, 08:19 PM
http://travel.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,9143,289471,00.jpg ISN'T SHE HOT?

April 22nd, 2004, 09:56 PM
1) What?

2) Very much so

April 22nd, 2004, 10:29 PM

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April 23rd, 2004, 12:28 AM
Sexay lady!!!!! HOLLA!!! :mrgreen:

April 23rd, 2004, 12:44 AM
:) Welcome to the Queen in New York. Greetings from old europe !

April 23rd, 2004, 01:15 AM
April 23, 2004

A Queen Arrives, and Even in Jaded New York, Jaws Drop


The Queen Mary 2 cruised up the Hudson River past West 44th Street on its way to Pier 92, its first berth in the city, giving New Yorkers ample reason to gawk.

Robert D. Jones looked straight ahead as if it were just another morning on just another ship, as if that bridge up ahead were just another bridge.

But the bridge was one of the world's longest suspension spans, and a few miles beyond was one of the world's most famous statues, and a few miles beyond that a narrow pier where a brass band would be playing and a mayor would be waiting and people would be straining for a glimpse of the knifelike bow, the too-tall funnel, the 17 decks. The sun was coming up on a hazy harbor, and Captain Jones was guiding the world's longest ocean liner - the Queen Mary 2 - through some of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

"Trying to find the middle of the bridge," Captain Jones said by way of explanation, as the necklace of the Verrazano-Narrows soared higher and higher above the thick plate glass he was looking through. "I have to be careful. There are too many people watching."

A lot of people were watching, from apartment-house rooftops in Brooklyn, from parking lots and bicycle paths along the Hudson River in Manhattan, from helicopters that swooped low as television camera operators zoomed in on the 1,132-foot-long ship. Leading the way under the bridge and past the Statue of Liberty was a procession of tugboats, police vessels and Coast Guard boats that were dwarfed by the black-and-white leviathan.

"It's almost floating in the air," said Adina Rafeld, who watched in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, as the Queen Mary 2 passed the waterfront park just north of the Verrazano.

Standing on the ship's bridge with a walkie-talkie in one hand and a pair of binoculars within reach of the other was Captain Jones. He is not the captain of the Queen Mary 2, but the harbor pilot who guided it on the last few miles of its maiden voyage to New York. (A docking pilot from a tugboat company took over a few minutes before the ship turned into its berth at the Passenger Ship Terminal on the West Side of Manhattan.)

As things turned out, the Queen Mary 2's first trip into New York Harbor was Captain Jones's last. After 45 years as a harbor pilot, bringing ships up channels that lead from the ocean, Captain Jones, 69, will retire today. But not before he takes the Queen Mary 2 out this morning for an overnight invitational cruise, out of the harbor he brought it into yesterday, the harbor where his father and great-grandfather were pilots before him, the harbor where he has climbed onto "probably over 8,000 ships," the harbor where he has had only one close call boarding moving ships on rope ladders. That happened several years ago with a tanker in rough water. He grabbed for the gunwales. The crew grabbed for his arms, and eventually pulled him in.

Nothing like that happened yesterday. The passage through New York Harbor brought a smooth ending to a six-day maiden cruise from England that began with rough seas. The trip was also slowed by gale-force winds in the North Atlantic and waves that splashed high on a ship that is taller, wider and longer than any other passenger vessel in history. But the $800 million Queen Mary 2 made up the time it had lost, and shortly after 8 a.m., seamen were tying up the ship at the terminal and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg was welcoming the passengers and crew. "Pretty magnificent, huh?" the mayor said.

Turning to the captain, Commodore Peter W. Warwick, the mayor said that if the ship were turned on its end, it would be the second-tallest structure on the New York skyline (taller than the Chrysler Building but shorter than the Empire State Building).

"But, commodore," the mayor said, "we don't ask you to do that maneuver. Please keep it right the way it is."

The mayor joked that he had worried that the captain would call from under the Verrazano "and ask us to raise the bridge a little bit." If the Queen Mary 2 were to sail under the Verrazano at high tide, the clearance would be only 13 feet.

"But fortunately you managed to sweep through," the mayor said, "and that was just one of those sights that you'll see in the picture books, 10, 20, 30 years from now. People will look back and say, 'you remember that wonderful day?': the beginning of a colorful tradition."

The ship's arrival had steamship buffs longing for the days when crossing the Atlantic took days, not hours, and when the ships were as stylish as the passengers. But to New Yorkers who watched the Queen Mary amble toward its berth - its speed for most of the way through the harbor was a fraction of its 30-knot maximum - the ship was so out of proportion with everyday reality that it defied the brain's perspective-calculation system.

"Every two minutes it gets closer and you realize how big it is," said Tom Greeley, who was snapping photographs in Battery Park.

André Neethling, a chef who lives in Tudor City, had a three-word exclamation when the Queen Mary 2 came into view: "Ah, so beautiful." He will get a closer look at the ship in July: He said he had bought a ticket for a cruise to England.

And so for a couple of hours in the morning, New Yorkers crowded against railings, binoculars hanging around their necks, cameras in their hands, hands curled around their coffee cups, and watched for a ship on its first trip through these waters. They oohed and aahed when the faint outline of something rectilinear became discernible. They watched as its illuminated name, far above the water line, glowed.

Nancy Duval waved a tiny American flag as the ship passed her. She said she was not waving at anyone in particular, and did not know anyone onboard.

"No," she said. "I wish. I just had to greet her. She's beautiful."

The Queen Mary measures 236 feet from keel to funnel. That would be tall anywhere, but in New York harbor, it is about as close to the maximum as can be. Once it was tied up, the stern stuck more than 100 feet beyond the pier in the Hudson River, where police boats were on patrol. Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly had said on Tuesday that the police were planning a number of special security measures for the ship's arrival, not because of any specific threat, but because of the all attention the vessel was getting.

The police and the Coast Guard will provide security as well for the Queen Mary 2's future visits, said the Police Department's chief spokesman, Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne. But he said the arrangements "will be not as intense and not as visible" as they were yesterday.

Through it all, Captain Jones never touched the throttles, never turned the wheel. But his was the last word for the crew on where to steer the ship, how fast it could go and where the trouble spots lay in the harbor's complicated underwater geography. He long ago memorized where the navigational buoys are - knowledge that helps when, as was the case yesterday, he cannot see them for the early-morning fog.

So he knew when and where, off Brooklyn, the ship had to make two crucial turns on its way to Manhattan.

"We were flying along at 18 knots," he said (to landlubbers, about 20 miles an hour). "I said to the captain, 'How'll she do?' The captain said, 'Fine. She's a lot like the QE2.' I didn't want to hear that. On the QE2, you had to use a lot of rudder. She felt like she was extremely heavy. But this thing pranced around. Just magnificent."

Soon another captain was calling the Queen Mary 2 on the radio: "Let's hear what the lungs sound like on that ship."

Captain Jones turned to Commodore Warwick: "Let's blow a salute."

The first officer, Othello Ghoshroy, said, "Whistle, sir?"

Commodore Warwick nodded, and soon four long blasts sounded. The carpeted floor on the bridge shook each time, as it did later, when Captain Jones asked for another salute as the Queen Mary 2 passed the site of the World Trade Center.

And then, after handing off to the docking pilot and watching the nautical ballet at the pier, Captain Jones disembarked. No ladders this time, he said - he went out the way the passengers did - and retirement was only a day away.

"You're only as good as your last job," he said, "and this was pretty good."

Winnie Hu, Andy Newman and Susan Saulny contributed reporting for this article.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

April 23rd, 2004, 11:01 AM
It's huge. It was so cool seeing it floating up the river, blasting its horns, and all the throngs up at pier 92 just to see it docked - yet another reason why living here is special.

And those are two fantastic shots by Edward and Zippy - thanks!

April 23rd, 2004, 03:33 PM

April 23rd, 2004, 03:50 PM
ZippyTheChimp that really helps now I have an understanding QM2 size.

April 24th, 2004, 10:54 PM
New York Times
April 25, 2004

A New Queen Bows With Greater Ease


Graphic: Between the Liners (http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/04/24/weekinreview/Haskell.gif)

The 1,132 foot, 151,400-ton Queen Mary 2 glided into Pier 92 on the West Side of Manhattan on Thursday morning after its six-day voyage from Southampton, England. Three thrusters, which work like great water jets, enable the ship to turn in its own length and allowed it to dock without the aid of tugboats.

The original Queen Mary, whose last voyage was in 1964, has since been turned into a floating hotel in Long Beach, Calif. It was 113 feet shorter than the new ship and was rated at only 81,237 tons; eight tugs were needed to bring her into the same pier back in the 1930's. More than 300 engineers were needed to mind the original Queen's steam turbine engines, compared with around 50 who mind the new one's four diesel and two gas turbine engines.

The Queen Mary 2 is the most expensive passenger ship ever built, at a cost of $800 million. That money bought a great deal of cutting-edge technology, but also, its owners hope, an experience reminiscent of the golden age of trans-Atlantic sea travel, said John Maxtone-Graham, author of "Queen Mary 2: The Greatest Ocean Liner of Our Time," a celebratory book. Many of the Art Deco touches around the ship are almost a facsimile of those on the first Mary, Mr. Maxtone-Graham said.

The new ship has 10 restaurants, which can accommodate up to 3,000 passengers; there are five swimming pools, a floating outpost of the Canyon Ranch spa, a library, a theater and a casino. The price of a voyage from New York to Southampton ranges from $27,499 (which pays for a luxurious 2,249-square-foot duplex) to $1,869 for a small room without an ocean view.

Trying to compare the two Queen Marys is hard, said John Adamson, the archivist of the original liner in Long Beach, but he clearly feels nostalgic for the way things were. "Anybody that is an aficionado of North Atlantic travel appreciates the style of the old ships," he said.

The first Queen Mary, for example, was much less egalitarian than the new one. It transported up to 2,000 people, who paid from $200 to $7,000 for their tickets, depending on the class. "The classes never mingled," Mr. Adamson said.

That's no longer the case. The Britannia restaurant on the Queen Mary 2, for example, was designed to resemble the first-class restaurant of the original, but is now open to all.

Then, too, Mr. Adamson said, people who travel aboard great ships these days expect to be diverted. "With new ships, passengers are missing out on the simplicity and enjoyment of being on the ocean, instead of having all the distractions," he said.

Nonetheless, even this traditionalist conceded, "I have been following the new ship's construction and saw some pictures recently in the New York harbor. She is pretty impressive."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

April 25th, 2004, 09:40 PM
Earlier tonight, I watched the Queen Mary 2 sail down the Hudson River as it came into view of the Wired New York Webcam. Moments later, it was joined in the harbor by the Queen Elizabeth 2 as a spectacular fireworks show commenced; I saw it from the Empire State Building Towervision camera. Very entertaining and memorable...a grand sendoff.

April 25th, 2004, 10:09 PM
April 25, 2004

New York gives the Queen Mary 2 a royal sendoff


Slide Show: Queen Mary 2 Leaves New York (http://www.nynewsday.com/nyc-maryleavesgal0426,0,5402484.photogallery?coll=nyc-swapbox1)

With a great blast of its foghorn, the Queen Mary 2 -- which has been the toast of New York since the she arrived in town Thursday -- began backing out of her berth on the Hudson River.

With crowds of New Yorkers waiting to see her off, she moved out into the river accompanied by police boats and her elder sister, Queen Elizabeth 2. Ashore, thousands of New Yorkers braved the chilly weather to watch her leave, many remarking that they wished she had stayed longer. Others commented on the facts of this historic sailing, the only time the two queens have sailed together.

As the ships passed the Statue of Liberty and headed out to sea, fireworks lit the night skies, giving the visitors a dramatic sendoff.

As they watched the ship go by, New Yorkers admired the grace of her moves, even at her enormous size (she stretches the length of four football fields). The Queen Mary 2 is the biggest, widest, and most expensive cruise ship afloat; she carries 2,620 passengers in a space that contains 10 restaurants and five swimming pools, not to mention a casino, a branch of the Canyon Ranch spa, and a champagne bar.

Luxury is a by-word aboard the ship as she makes her return to her home port, Southampton: Passengers can gorge on 116 pounds of caviar, 894 pounds of lobster, all washed down with 1,541 bottles of champagne. But all that luxury comes at a price, with the swankiest of the ship's staterooms going for close to $27,000 for a 12-day cruise.

Copyright 2004 Newsday, Inc.

April 25th, 2004, 11:14 PM
The Queen Mary 2 (QM2) (http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/default.htm) berthed at Pier 92 in New York City, 24 April 2004.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/qm2_new_york_24apr04.jpg (http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/default.htm)

The Queen Mary 2 (QM2) (http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/default.htm) and the Queen Elizabeth 2 (QE2) in New York City, 25 April 2004.

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April 25th, 2004, 11:23 PM
I was supposed to go see the ships sail but something popped up and I couldn't go. I hope someone took pictures (of the sailing). I have a few shots of the QM2 I'll post later.

April 26th, 2004, 01:58 AM
April 26, 2004

New York Bids Farewell as a Pair of Queens Set Sail


The Queen Mary 2, the largest passenger ship ever floated, was on its first trip to New York.

There they stood at anchor, together on a New York stage for the first and last time, the outgoing queen of the seas and her newly crowned successor, the largest passenger ship ever floated.

Geoffrey Lofts, a 62-year-old Englishman who had crossed several times from London to New York on the older ship, the Queen Elizabeth 2, and was boarding her replacement, the Queen Mary 2, yesterday afternoon, had high hopes for the pair's only joint performance. "As they're going out together tonight, there'll be a bit of razzmatazz," Mr. Lofts said as he prepared to run the gantlet of beefeaters blowing trumpet flourishes on the gangway.

After a weekend of ocean-liner madness of Titanic proportions, New York bid a noisy farewell last night to the Queen Mary 2 and the Queen Elizabeth 2.

At 7:31 p.m., as thousands of onlookers lined the West Side Highway near 52nd Street and hundreds more watched from their gridlocked cars, the Queen Mary 2 let out three blasts at a volume befitting a behemoth, backed into the Hudson River and slid past the stern of the Queen Elizabeth 2, which replied with three honks of its own.

"She's saying hello and goodbye," said Sharon Hirsch, a costume teacher at the Yale School of Drama watching through the chain-link fence, adding, "I prefer the QE2's voice. It's more feminine."

Downriver, on both sides of the harbor, many thousands more stood in the chill under gray skies grown dark, waiting for the two ships to pull past the Statue of Liberty. Liberty State Park in Jersey City closed its gates at 8:30 after filling up.

As spectators waited at Battery Park, police and Fire Department boats formed a cordon of blinking lights. At 8:33, the Queen Mary 2 appeared, brilliantly lit, its front stacks outlined in violet light.

"It's dazzling and British," said Matthew Rothman, 26, of the Upper West Side, adding jokingly, "Maybe too dazzling for the Brits."

Finally at 9:06, the Queen Elizabeth 2, half an hour late, steamed into view for onlookers at Battery Park, and fireworks soared into the sky. As they concluded, the Queen Elizabeth 2 passed behind the larger ship and headed out to sea. This time, the ships sounded their horns together, their combined textures like the roar of a huge church organ.

All day, people had trooped up to Piers 90 and 92 to pay homage to the Cunard Line flagships - the Queen Mary 2 almost impossibly massive from all angles, and the Queen Elizabeth 2 with its relatively svelte profile.

Some ship-watchers said they preferred the old lady, which made its maiden voyage from Southampton, England, to New York in 1969 and arrived in New York for its last trans-Atlantic run yesterday morning. The Queen Elizabeth 2 will work the world-cruise circuit out of Southampton, but will still return occasionally to New York.

"The size is impressive, but the silhouette is no longer," George Hiotis, 59, said of the Queen Mary 2, which arrived last Thursday on its maiden trip to New York. "It doesn't say speed and grace and beauty" the way the old Cunard ships did, he said, gazing up at the ship's vast hull.

Then again, from the shore, it was not really possible to see the end of either ship.

Take it from Nicholas Tacy, a passenger on the larger ship. "Until you walk down the pier and look at the QE2," said Mr. Tacy, 44, "you can't really see how big the Queen Mary is." One thousand, one hundred and thirty-two feet long is how big it is, 160 feet longer than the Queen Elizabeth 2.

The last time New Yorkers were treated to such a procession of ocean royalty was in 1940, when the current ships' namesakes, the original Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth, left the port together. The Queen Mary 2 and the Queen Elizabeth 2 will be crossing the Atlantic in tandem and are scheduled to arrive in Southampton on Saturday.

Tom McErlean, a labor lawyer from Columbia, Md., who has ridden the Queen Elizabeth 2 and came to see her off one last time, would not quite admit that he preferred the older ship, but, seeing them side by side, he said he was struck by the "understated glamour" of the Queen Elizabeth 2. The Queen Mary 2, he said, "tries to impress you with size and glitter. That's not to say it's not tasteful."

But Andrea Schuman, a high school English teacher on Long Island, could not take her eyes off the Queen Mary 2. "I've never seen something so beautiful in my life," Ms. Schuman said. "You're looking at a moment in history."

She also was hoping she was looking at her future. "I'm thinking someday I want to go on it when I retire from teaching next year. I've never been on a cruise ship before," she added, "but for this I'd make an exception."

Robert F. Worth, Colin Moynihan and Tara Bahrampour contributed reporting for this article.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

April 26th, 2004, 05:23 AM
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TLOZ Link5
April 26th, 2004, 01:27 PM
Must. Ride. That ship.

April 26th, 2004, 05:08 PM
i work on those piers in manhattan and canrival isnt going no where cause they just signed a 10 yr contract with manhattan so..the mayor isnt gonna let the westside piers go cause they bring in too much money for the city and the terminal is also getting redone in october

April 26th, 2004, 08:04 PM
The visit of the Queen Mary 2 did serious damage to the folkloric image of the jaded New Yorker -- Such excitement over a boat! [Yes, boat is the proper term to express indifference peppered with cynicism that also belittles the stately elegance of these gracious ocean liners.] But I heard no such expression last night along the promenade near the Mercantile Exchange.

Jubilant crowds braved the cold night air and conversations shimmered with shivering. The group next to me poured spirits into paper cups and parents chased their kids without complaint because it kept them warm. In typical New York fashion, adjacent groups joined in conversations and even passersby stopped to chat a while. For part of an evening we were unafraid to show a sense of awe. Adult and child alike gazed in wonderment and delight.

And in typical New York fashion the camaraderie evaporated as soon as we began our journeys home. We will probably never see each other again. . . that is, not as the same crowd. But wherever New Yorkers gather, spontaneous reveille usually erupts. Thank you Queen Mary 2 for giving this city another reason to party. Ah, what other town is like this one?

April 26th, 2004, 08:14 PM
:shock: WOW...Cool Pictures! I got to see the ship leaving from the pier from my apartment window...it was great!!!

TLOZ Link5
April 26th, 2004, 09:22 PM
i work on those piers in manhattan and canrival isnt going no where cause they just signed a 10 yr contract with manhattan so..the mayor isnt gonna let the westside piers go cause they bring in too much money for the city and the terminal is also getting redone in october

Great news all around.

April 30th, 2004, 06:04 PM
I would love to travel to Europe on that ship.

maybe a little early, but i have heard that Cunard is building another queen ship, the Queen Victoria.

April 30th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Yar, she's going to be more cruise-shippylike than the other Cunarders. Smaller than QM2.

May 1st, 2004, 10:45 AM
Downtown Express
April 30, 2004

New Yorkers wish two Queens a bon voyage

Queen Mary 2 paused by the Statue of Liberty for fireworks Sunday before its return across the Hudson.

New York bade a sparkling farewell to the Queen Mary 2 and the Queen Elizabeth 2 on Sunday night with a fireworks display by the Statue of Liberty.

The 151,400-ton Queen Mary 2 had just completed her maiden voyage to New York. Crowds lining the shore in Battery Park gasped and then burst into applause when they first saw the $800-million luxury liner make her stately way into the harbor.

The glittering, 20-story, 1,132-foot long Q.M.2 impressed spectators of all ages.

“I thought part of it was a skyscraper,” said Sanne van der Veen, 8, of Brooklyn, who was perched on top of a bench with her sister Wynne, 9, and a cousin, Guillaume Bettig, 12, also of Brooklyn.

“It’s just magnificent,” said Margaret Driscoll, 56, a tourist from Philadelphia.

Fireworks erupted around 9 p.m. after the Queen Elizabeth 2 joined her younger sister in the harbor. Two classy ladies will sail back to Southampton, England together, marking the first time that two Cunard Line ships make a tandem trans-Atlantic crossing. The Queen Elizabeth 2 first set sail in 1969.

The sea-faring sisters accepted a flood of admirers over the weekend from their berths at Piers 92 and 90. Their namesakes Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth were last berthed in New York together in March 1940.

Spectators sensed the significance of the spectacle.

“This is a bit of history we’ve got here,” said Suzanna Bettini of the Upper West Side.

The two ocean-liners said good-bye with a few toots of their horns on their way out to the Atlantic.

Queen Mary 2 pulled close to Lady Liberty.

—Elizabeth O’Brien

Copyright 2004 Community Media LLC.

May 1st, 2004, 10:31 PM
New York Times
May 2, 2004


Unflappable New York, Wide-Eyed at Last


ROYAL VISITS: Air travel may dominate the age, but it does not the diminish the glamour of such grand ships as the Queen Elizabeth 2, above, last Sunday.

New Yorkers tend to pride themselves on their incapacity for astonishment. Don't let them fool you. This nil admirari pose is nothing more than that. This was proved last Sunday night when, by the thousands, New Yorkers who would not cross the street for a better look at P. Diddy crowded onto west-facing terraces and rooftops and playgrounds and parking lots and piers to watch two giant cruise ships, the Queen Elizabeth 2 and the Queen Mary 2, leave their Hudson River docks and sail off grandly into the sunset over Upper New York Bay, one after the other.

These emotional moments shouting, cheering, waving, even shedding tears of joy don't happen often in a hard-boiled city. There were the opening of the Brooklyn Bridge, and the unveiling of the Woolworth Building, for two. There was the moment, almost exactly a hundred years ago, when New York's first subway line of any importance, the IRT, began service to the public. Suddenly, worldly-wise New Yorkers by the hundreds of thousands found themselves with nothing better to do than to ride back and forth, from uptown to down, all day long, for a nickel.

But last Sunday's New York moment contained some rather special ingredients. To begin with, the brand-new Queen Mary 2 is all about money ($800 million) and enterprise and bigness (the biggest ship afloat, ever). These are all qualities esteemed by New Yorkers. The Queen Mary 2 stands at least in part for Trumpism, without the swagger and the hustle. (To be sure, both Queens are of British manufacture, but English is our mother tongue, and England our mother country, and we have always secretly envied England her Royal Family.)

Then, too, there was the fact that the Queen Mary 2 was designed with New York in mind. Its engineers had to be sure their Leviathan would fit beneath the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge - a needed reminder to New Yorkers that Rand McNally notwithstanding, New York is still the greatest, most important city in the world.

As the two great ships glided past the Statue of Liberty - the Queen Mary 2 in the lead, its older sister not far behind - and while gridlocked traffic watched from the West Side Highway, the sight seemed to evoke an almost atavistic response among supposedly jaded New Yorkers: a longing for an older, more naïve, almost forgotten time when shipboard travel allowed plenty of leisure for that wonderful adventure called the shipboard romance.

Surely no romantic encounter of any importance, adulterous or otherwise, was satisfactorily consummated aboard a 747, not to mention the Concorde. Shipboard travel was all about glamour, all about style. It was about dressing for dinner, and dancing on a moonlit deck.

At 7:31 last Sunday night, as the newer of the two Queens led the elder out of the harbor, the crowds on shore seemed to be swept with an almost tangible stirring of nostalgia. What was going on aboard the two liners, over cocktails, could only be imagined, but it certainly had to include scenes out of 1930's movies with Clark Gable and Claudette Colbert, or William Powell and Myrna Loy. Sophisticated and glamorous New Yorkers may have been asking themselves: Have we really got it right? Or did they?

And of course the scene was rife with symbolism. Two creations of human imagination and industry were heading out into that great mother of life, the sea. On their way, they inevitably had to pass the site where two other grand creations of human imagination and industry had once stood. This made the ships seem uniquely, and poignantly, to belong to New York Harbor, and to New York.

Mayor Bloomberg, on welcoming the Queen Mary 2 to New York on its maiden voyage four days earlier, had pointed out that if the ship were turned up on its end it would be the second-tallest building in New York City - taller than the Chrysler Building but not as tall as the Empire State.

The allusion was lost on no one. The two ships were being offered to the city as a palliative, not an antidote or cure, but as a stately gesture of hope. On their arrival, both ships had saluted the site with toots of their horns. Two great skyscrapers had made a brutal and heartbreaking departure.

Now two great seascrapers had paid us a thrilling royal visit. They were a reminder that no matter what madmen and murderers are able to destroy, humanity, with its indestructible capacity for hope, will carry on.

We needed that reminder. We surely loved it.

Stephen Birmingham's books include " 'Our Crowd,' " "Life at the Dakota: New York's Most Unusual Address'' and "The Grandees: America's Sephardic Elite."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

May 3rd, 2004, 10:39 AM
Does anyone know when the QM2 is coming back? I missed it.

May 3rd, 2004, 11:34 AM
within a couple of weeks i dont know the exact date but maybe a week or 2 but its not worth going down to the piers cause i work there and the security is very tight they wont let you on the piers unless you have a pass so you can just see it on the bike path your better off going down to battery park or something and watchin it sail away..

May 3rd, 2004, 12:01 PM
Port of NY Arrivals and Departures (http://www.worldshipny.com/2004nycarrdep.html)

According to the schedule, QM2 will be back this weekend.

May 3rd, 2004, 06:00 PM
Take a look at the Wired New York webcam (http://www.wirednewyork.com/webcam/default.htm) schedule.

May 11th, 2004, 06:26 PM


May 18th, 2004, 11:38 PM
The Queen Mary 2 (QM2) (http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/default.htm) leaving New York on a transatlantic voyage. 18 May 2004.

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July 5th, 2004, 11:24 PM
The Queen Mary 2 (QM2) (http://www.wirednewyork.com/cruises/cunard/default.htm) and Royal Fleet Auxiliary Fort George (A388) berthed in New York. 5 July 2004.

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July 6th, 2004, 01:24 AM
July 6, 2004

After Upgrades to Bathrooms, Queen Mary Revisits the City


So now it is necessary to discuss a queen's bathrooms. There is a reason: The queen - the Queen Mary 2, that is - has been in New York again.

Ten weeks after the ship first sailed under the tight - for it - confines of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, the Queen Mary 2, the longest, tallest and widest vessel ever built, has become a common sight on the Hudson River or in the harbor, coming and going to England, the Caribbean or, as it did last weekend, up and down the east coast. And while it is well on its way to becoming a familiar part of the skyline, it has, like a long-awaited new restaurant, experienced a few teething problems.

Like those bathrooms.

Before the QM2 left Southampton for New York a little more than a week ago, the British Maritime and Coastguard Agency raised questions about fire-retardant material in 900 of the ship's bathrooms - specifically, a panel in the showers and another on the front of the vanity units.

The agency said the material was in "a normally low-risk wet area of the cabin," and that the QM2 had "a highly efficient sprinkler system." It also said it did not believe that passenger safety had been compromised.

Cunard officials said they installed additional smoke detectors in bathrooms before the ship left Southampton for New York last week, and would eventually extend the sprinkler system to the bathrooms.

Peter Ratcliffe, an executive director of Carnival Corporation, Cunard's parent company, said the ship had been delivered in January with appropriate approvals from regulatory authorities. "We need to understand how it can be that it was certificated and in fact it did not meet the standard," he said.

Until a review is completed, he added, "Nobody can attribute any blame anywhere." He put the cost of the smoke detectors and the work done in Southampton at "less than half a million dollars."

During the QM2's voyage from Southampton to New York, some passengers complained, there were problems with service.

"They have bugs to work out," said John C. Stuart, a dentist from Columbia, S.C. "You couldn't get a wine steward" in the Britannia restaurant, the ship's main dining room, on the first night of the trip, he said.

Once the ship arrived, it engaged in the age-old dance of ocean liner and New York City tugboat as it docked. Before the ship came to New York for the first time in April, Cunard bragged that it could dock in many ports without tugs because of its state-of-the-art bow thrusters, controlled by joysticks on the bridge.

But not in Manhattan, where a liner approaching the Passenger Ship Terminal must make a sharp right turn and a quick stop. Captain Paul Wright, the master of the Queen Mary 2, said in an e-mail message last week that he and the commodore, Ronald W. Warwick, wanted the assistance of two tugs on arrival and one for departure.

"The problem is tidal currents are very unpredictable in the Hudson, and a lot depends on rainfall," he said. "Sometimes it's slack on the surface, but a good current running 15 feet down."

Passengers on the most recent Atlantic crossing said the QM2 endured some rough weather. A spokesman for Cunard said the ship encountered near-gale-force winds of 32 to 38 miles an hour on June 28, and strong but less powerful winds twice during the rest of the trip. "At no time did we have anything higher than rough seas," Captain Wright said. "Nothing more than moderate swells."

Still, the passengers noticed. Peter Olsen, a television camera operator, said the actress Jane Seymour, who was giving ship-to-shore interviews, "was wondering why we were listing. I could see through the window the horizon was going up and down. I'm not sure I would have noticed if she hadn't."

Cunard said that, judging by comment cards from passengers, the most recent trans-Atlantic voyage was a success. Some passengers, leaving the ship in New York last Thursday, said they wished they could have seen more of what was aboard the 1,132-foot-long vessel.

"We don't feel like we've seen the whole ship," said Bodil Floto, a teacher from Roskilde, Denmark. "It's so big."

Asked why she had chosen a ship instead of a jet, she said, "My husband doesn't like flying."

The husband, Michael Floto, standing next to her, said his distaste for flying was not a post-Sept. 11 fear.

"You're not allowed to smoke on the planes," he explained.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

March 9th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Hello of France. thank you for Webcam giving on the bridge where the QM2 arrived today. Small animation made with catches of Webcam


Nice animation. The Queen's docking this morning under adverse wind and tide conditions has been documented at the website of the New York Branch of the World Ship Society in a series of photos captured by the ESB webcam. http://www.worldshipny.com/qm2docking030905.html The Queen swung around rather alarmingly as she neared and then overshot her berth and required the assistance of 4 tugs (with the movable pods at her stern and her bow thrusters, she normally needs no help maneuvering in tight spaces).

March 29th, 2005, 09:56 PM
Off on a cruise on the QM2, they are VERY excited.

Big change from the Greyhound bus ride they took across the country from San Francisco to NYC when they first got here back in '67, as two young, newly married, medical students, on their way to Misericordia hospital. ;-)

I hope to get back home to NYC someday soon. :)

OH, the reason I hunted back to WiredNY... I'm trying to find the actual address of the dock for the QM2, so I can map the run from the Radisson @ 511 Lexington Avenue to where my folks will embark... any ideas? Thanks!

P.S. They will land in LaGuardia @ 10AM, this coming Friday.

March 30th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Off on a cruise on the QM2, they are VERY excited.

Big change from the Greyhound bus ride they took across the country from San Francisco to NYC when they first got here back in '67, as two young, newly married, medical students, on their way to Misericordia hospital. ;-)

I hope to get back home to NYC someday soon. :)

OH, the reason I hunted back to WiredNY... I'm trying to find the actual address of the dock for the QM2, so I can map the run from the Radisson @ 511 Lexington Avenue to where my folks will embark... any ideas? Thanks!

P.S. They will land in LaGuardia @ 10AM, this coming Friday.

QM2 sails from the NY Passenger Ship Terminal (Piers 88, 90 and 92), on the Hudson River between West 48th and West 52nd Streets, a portion of which is visible from Wired NY Webcam 1. Last Friday, the Queen berthed on the north side of Pier 88 (where Normandie burned and rolled over in Feb. 1942), but she has used other piers within the terminal during earlier visits to the port.

April 1st, 2005, 02:00 PM
QM2 sails from the NY Passenger Ship Terminal (Piers 88, 90 and 92), on the Hudson River between West 48th and West 52nd Streets, a portion of which is visible from Wired NY Webcam 1. Last Friday, the Queen berthed on the north side of Pier 88 (where Normandie burned and rolled over in Feb. 1942), but she has used other piers within the terminal during earlier visits to the port.


They have safely arrived in Manhattan, slightly disheveled, but bright eyed and ready for the adventure that is QM2. :) Also relieved that its pretty much a straight shot from the Radisson towards the Hudson and to the pier.

Best regards,


April 1st, 2005, 02:44 PM
Posted by Dennis on SSC:


April 1st, 2005, 10:04 PM
oh my god.

TLOZ Link5
April 1st, 2005, 11:06 PM
C'est magnifique.

April 3rd, 2005, 10:22 PM
Bad Photoshop work, for god's sake.

April 4th, 2005, 02:50 AM
It's a HELLA big ship!!!

CUNARD gives passengers their own email addresses.. So since it's very expensive to call them shore to ship, hopefully they'll check their email through the television. Dads birthday is today, so I sent them a greeting.

They have English nannies on that ship to watch the children!

Hopefully there will be some flips on board, so my folks will get some good home cooking and treated extra nice, but I doubt it.. CUNARD/QM2 isn't exactly Carnival Cruise Lines. ;-p

Thanks for the pic.

Jimbo Holland
April 4th, 2005, 04:12 PM
the colors looks great,

the most cruise ships are in white.

April 16th, 2005, 11:03 AM
A Brooklyn Accent for 2 Queens as Cruise Ships Quit Manhattan

Published: April 16, 2005

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/t.gifhe Queen Mary 2, the Queen Elizabeth 2 and other elegant world-class passenger and cruise ships will abandon glamorous Manhattan and make Brooklyn their home port next year when the city finishes rebuilding a pier in Red Hook where longshoremen once ruled the docks and mean streets.
Exercising an option offered by the city last year, Carnival Corporation, which owns the fleets of the Cunard and Princess Lines, will move the berths of four of its most luxurious ships from the frayed and crowded West Side Passenger Ship Terminal to a huge pier being redeveloped in Atlantic Basin, opposite Governors Island, city and company officials said yesterday.

The shift is expected to advance the city into a new era of passenger ship glory: bringing 250,000 voyagers to town beyond this year's 900,000; adding dozens of dockings to the schedule; creating thousands of jobs and an array of retail, restaurant, hotel and other traveler-related businesses in Red Hook; and speeding the revival of a once grim industrial-warehouse district.

For passengers bound for trans-Atlantic crossings and world and Caribbean cruises, the shift will mean new perspectives getting to and from their ships: tunnel and bridge crossings, ventures into the terra incognita of Brooklyn, and embarkation into Buttermilk Channel instead of the storied Hudson.

But the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel and the Gowanus and Brooklyn-Queens Expressways thread into the neighborhood, and the reward for passengers, city and Carnival officials said, will be in the sprawling terminal - a modern 180,000-square-foot building capable of accommodating 4,000 passengers with a constellation of traveler amenities and some of the world's biggest ships.

In the 2006 cruise season starting next April, the four ships - Cunard's Queen Mary 2 and Queen Elizabeth 2 and Princess Line's Crown Princess and Star Princess - will call about 44 times at Pier 12, a former cargo dock rapidly undergoing transformation, with a rebuilt steel shed, new bollards and fenders, an internal roadway, a 500-car parking area, taxi and bus drop-off areas, and even landscaping.

"Red Hook is rich in maritime history," said Kate Ascher, the city Economic Development Corporation's executive vice president for infrastructure. "Now it's coming home. Numerous Brooklyn residents will have the opportunity to work at this terminal, and thousands of travelers will get to experience not only a first-class terminal but also the wonderful neighborhood, restaurants and entertainment possibilities."

The pier will be big enough to accommodate the 1,132-foot Queen Mary 2, which carries 2,620 passengers, as well as the 963-foot Queen Elizabeth 2 (1,790 passengers), the Crown Princess (3,100 passengers) and Star Princess (2,600 passengers), the last two three football fields in length, said Julie Benson, a spokeswoman for the Princess Line in Santa Clarita, Calif.

Crown Princess, the newest of the line's ships, is under construction in Italy and will make its debut from Red Hook on a Caribbean cruise next April, Ms. Benson said. The $800 million Queen Mary 2, the world's largest passenger ship, made its inaugural voyage to New York last year, docking on the West Side with its stern jutting 132 feet into the Hudson, an incongruity symptomatic of the terminal, which was last renovated 35 years ago.

Dean Brown, executive vice president for fleet operations for the Cunard and Princess Lines, said that Carnival had decided to shift the berths of some of its best ships to Brooklyn because the Red Hook terminal was the first to be modernized by the city in a $150 million redevelopment project that will include the crowded, antiquated West Side Passenger Ship Terminal, between 48th and 52nd Streets.

"We're taking advantage of the fact that the Brooklyn terminal is the first to be redeveloped by the city in a manner that accommodates our passengers," Mr. Brown said. "We're happy to be there."

The money for the terminals' redevelopment was guaranteed under a deal in which Carnival and the Norwegian Cruise Lines, which together account for 80 percent of the cruise traffic in the city, agreed to bring in 13 million passengers and pay $200 million in port charges over the next 13 years. Ship lines pay docking fees based on a vessel's size and the number of passengers.

The city offered Carnival the option of moving some berths to Brooklyn, and Carnival has accepted. "We're looking forward to being the inaugural tenant of this brand new development," Mr. Brown said.

Ms. Ascher, of the Economic Development Corporation, said that the expansion of the cruise industry over the next decade was expected to raise the number of related jobs in the city to 5,000 from 3,300 and increase spending in New York - for hotels, meals, retail goods and other businesses - to $900 million from $600 million.

Marty Markowitz, the Brooklyn borough president, hailed the shift to his borough as an economic breakthrough. "Brooklyn will be the most successful cruise line location in the Northeast," he predicted. "It all adds up to more jobs, more growth opportunities for Brooklyn businesses and entrepreneurs, and a huge boost for Brooklyn tourism."

Bruce Batkin, a developer who owns two former warehouses overlooking the Red Hook docks on Imlay Street and has been converting one to condominiums and retail spaces, said he had had unsolicited offers from hotel operators for the second property. Ship passengers, he said, would find Red Hook to be a fascinating neighborhood of artisans, craftsmen and new businesses, not a rundown waterfront.

"Life changes," he said. "Things change. Look at the East Village, the Lower East Side. Red Hook is artsy, not seedy. It's funky, richly textured."

April 16th, 2005, 04:42 PM

Queen Mary 2, other cruise ships abandoning Manhattan

April 16, 2005, 9:56 AM EDT

NEW YORK (AP) _ Four luxurious passenger and cruise ships _ including the Queen Mary 2 and the Queen Elizabeth 2 _ will abandon Manhattan and begin docking in Brooklyn next year.

Carnival Corp. will move the berths of the four ships to a huge pier the city is redeveloping in the Red Hook section, city and company officials said.

The city hopes the shift will create thousands of jobs, spur retail and tourist-industry development and breathe new life into what was once a bleak warehouse district.

The change is also expected to bring 250,000 more passengers to New York each year on top of the current 900,000. Abandoning the crowded terminal on the west side of Manhattan will add dozens of dockings to the ships' schedules.

"We're looking forward to being the inaugural tenant of this brand new development," Dean Brown, executive vice president for fleet operations for Carnival's Cunard and Princess lines, told The New York Times in Saturday's editions.

The pier will accommodate the 1,132-foot Queen Mary 2 _ the world's largest passenger ship _ plus the 963-foot Queen Elizabeth 2, the Star Princess and the Crown Princess, which makes its debut next year.

The Red Hook terminal is part of a $150 million revelopment project that will also include the cramped West Side Passenger Ship Terminal, between 48th and 52nd streets in Manhattan.

Copyright © 2005, The Associated Press

June 26th, 2005, 07:58 AM
Here's an article with some images of the Queen Mary 2 focusing on the artwork most of which was personally commissioned specific to the ship.


June 29th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Went on Queen Mary 2 Last year Transatlantic to New York and Back and loved it. If what you say about it docking in Red Hook is true Then i dont think it would ever be the same.
Phoned Cunard today who no nothing about the move and also stated going up the Hudson past the statue of liberty was the big part of the trip and could not see it not doing that.
Can someone tell if it would still go under the narrows bridge if it was to go to Red hook as i have no idea where that is .

June 29th, 2005, 07:18 PM
Regardless of what you are hearing from Cunard, pier 12 in Red Hook is being developed as a terminal for 4 of Carnival's ships, including the QM2.

Red Hook is only about 1 mile from Lower Manhattan, and is at the same latitiude as the Statue of Liberty. Ships will still pass under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.


There's a map on page 2 of the document. Pier 12 is the purple colored area on the lower right. The Statue of Liberty is just off the map on the lower left.

June 30th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Thanks for all your help guys, Not as bad as i thought.

Look forward to coming back next year.

Once again many thanks.


July 12th, 2005, 12:38 AM
I have just had a e-mail from one of the girls at Cunard who has e-mailed the ship and they have confirmed that there will be a port change next year.
Any idea how long in a cab to Seaport area From Red hook?

August 1st, 2005, 08:30 AM
I would like to know that when the queen Mary 2 starts using red hook next April as its new port in new York what way it is likely to come in, will it go around governors island and then dock so you get a close up view of down town New York or will it just go to the right of governors island and dock.



August 1st, 2005, 11:19 AM
Moving to Red Hook will deprive cruise passengers of the fabulous experience of passing the Lower Manhattan skyline, something I've been fortunate to experience.

Seems like a mistake; arriving in Brooklyn just isn't the same.

They should build a glitzy new Manhattan terminal instead.

January 23rd, 2006, 11:40 AM
QM2 passengers make mutiny threat

Passengers on the luxury Queen Mary 2 cruise ship are threatening to mutiny after the ship set sail from Florida with a damaged propeller.

They have said they will refuse to disembark when the ship reaches Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, next week, to prevent it from continuing its journey.

It has dropped three ports of call because it is running at reduced speed after the accident.

Cunard Lines, which operates the ship, says it has offered compensation.

On tow

The world's largest liner is on a 38-day trip around South America.

However it is running two days behind schedule, with one of its four propulsion pods out of commission.

The British-registered ship had to be towed back to Fort Lauderdale in Florida on 17 January after one of its motors hit an underwater channel.

Passengers have reacted angrily to the change of plans, saying they were only told scheduled stops - at the Caribbean islands of St Kitts and Barbados, and Salvador in Brazil - were cancelled once the ship set sail from Fort Lauderdale.

The mood among passengers is extremely angry and becoming more so
Passenger Alan Berg

Many passengers planned to meet relatives at the aborted destinations and have paid for hotels and sight-seeing trips.

"We have been lied to and misled," passenger Alan Berg, 63, from Manchester, UK, told the BBC News website.

"We should have been allowed the option of getting off at Fort Lauderdale and not taking the cruise at all. It is not in fact a cruise now but a rather a voyage by sea to Rio. Many guests are on once-in-a-lifetime holidays and I have seen several in tears.

'Held hostage'

"The mood among passengers is extremely angry and becoming more so."

Mr Berg said many of the 2,500 passengers are demanding a full refund and are threatening to refuse to disembark at Rio de Janeiro or pay for anything on board.

He says passengers have held several angry meetings with the Queen Mary's captain, Commodore Ronald Warwick, but have not yet reached a satisfactory outcome.

Passengers who are travelling to Rio will be given a 50% refund
Cunard Lines spokesman

One passenger described the situation as "being held hostage by Cunard and he felt like a prisoner", Mr Berg said.

A spokesman from Cunard said: "The ship is proceeding on three engines and therefore is moving slightly slower than it would on four engines.

"We have 1,000 passengers that are being picked up at Rio, and it's essential it arrive in Rio on time.

"Passengers who are travelling to Rio will be given a 50% refund of the fare that they have paid."

Latest mishap

He said the company would not offer passengers a bigger discount than the 50% already made. He added that Cunard would have to react to the threat of a sit-in "when the time comes".

The ship is scheduled to complete its full journey in Los Angeles on 22 February.

The QM2 is the world's largest and most expensive cruise ship. The 150,000 tonne vessel is 345 metres (1,132ft) long and 41 metres (135ft) high.

This latest mishap is not the first time the liner has known trouble.

Fifteen people were killed when a gangway collapsed while the ship was in dry dock at St Nazaire, France, in 2003.

In 2004, she arrived back home from her maiden voyage late after bow doors covering propellers failed to shut in Portugal.

The BBC News website invited comments from passengers either on the QM2 or those affected by the problems. Below is a selection of the comments we received.

It is very worrying, my husband and I are joining the ship at Valperiso on 8th Feb. Are Cunard planning to repair the broken pod, or does it intend to miss out further destinations on its journey around South America. A journey of a lifetime could potentially end up as a nightmare. I guess it's a case of watch this space!
Sue, Southport Merseyside

This is not a cruise, it's a high speed passage from NY to Rio. We paid to see the Caribbean and Salvador and we have got 7 days + on a ship. We all want our all money back!
Sandra Ashton, Coventry

I hate to be on board the QM2 right now having to listen to belligerent and bellicose passengers talking about 'mutiny' and being 'kidnapped.' Whatever decision the Cunard managment made would have adversly affected some people. The irate should "cool it" and enjoy their cruise (and let others enjoy their cruise).
Christopher Berry, Woodbridge, Virginia, USA

Many people on the ship are happy to stage a 'sit in' in Rio to force Carnival and Cunard to recognise that they can not push us around creating a very sour and down beat ferry crossing....Cunard have a Misson statement that is now a modern day hypocrisy and pack of lies!! I'm waiting for one of the 90 year olds to be escorted off in hand cuffs!!
Andy, QM2 at sea!!

Whilst I do feel sorry for the passengers on board, you have to remember that the QM2 is scheduled to drop off and collect other passengers at various stops. If they didn't try to make up time by foregoing some of its stops then the knock on effect would be even worse. I and the rest of my family are scheduled to Join the QM2 in Los Angeles on the 22nd February and would not want to miss out on our trip. It is very unfortunate but there are other passengers further down the line to consider as well. Whilst I am sure the compensation Cunard has offered doesn't completely satisfy everyone, it is still very generous.
Graham Holmes, Yucaipa USA

As father to not one but two passengers on board, I can tell you, that an offer of 50% compensation is about as adequate as taping a peice of cardboard to the gaping hole in the Titanic. These people have been lied to...and what of the 1000 in Rio yet to board?
John Templesmith, Perth Australia

My friends are on the ship, and have telephoned me in some distress. They were offered free email but the computers crashed. They say there is anarchy!
Jane Hamilton, Bexhill on Sea, East Sussex

My sympathies lie with the passengers in this case. As a much heralded superlative luxury ship, shouldn't the QM2 have prepared for every eventuality? I know of many smaller cruise ships that never encounter any problems in their whole lifetimes.
Mark Omecko, Heidelberg Germany

I spent a lot of money to be in St Kitts to meet my friends for a day and for them to bring with them my mail and medicine needed here. They never arrived ! The people on the vessel including my good friends should look to history and the likes of the late Rosa Parks and stand their ground for a full refund and nothing less ! Carnival cruise lines can afford it i'm sure !
Julian Abbiati, St Kitts West Indies

Story from BBC NEWS:

Published: 2006/01/22 18:28:22 GMT

June 4th, 2006, 08:31 PM
QM2 looms over Governors Island
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At dock in Red Hook
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June 4th, 2006, 08:48 PM
passengers make mutiny threat.

The mood among passengers is extremely angry and becoming more so
Passenger Alan Berg

Many passengers planned to meet relatives at the aborted destinations and have paid for hotels and sight-seeing trips.

"We have been lied to and misled," passenger Alan Berg, 63, from Manchester, UK, told the BBC News website.




June 5th, 2006, 08:18 PM
QM2 looms over Governors Island
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At dock in Red Hook
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When QM2 arrived in NYC for the first time, I was in Brooklyn watching it go..People were taking bets whether it would hit the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.. It looked pretty close as she made her way under the bridge::D

June 9th, 2006, 10:03 PM
The QM2 sailed by my window at exactly 5 am this morning, blasting "Stars and Stripes Forever" from its exterior speakers. I wished I had a torpedo.

June 9th, 2006, 10:30 PM
^ ...LMAO.... Where the heck do you live:)))

June 9th, 2006, 10:32 PM
see my "handle"

June 10th, 2006, 12:24 AM
How's that even possible, her going past Battery Park City?
She couldn't have been going up the Hudson because she docks in Red Hook, Brooklyn now.

June 10th, 2006, 10:25 AM
Whether it's possible or not, it happened. The QM2 made sure I was aware of it.

June 11th, 2006, 09:33 PM
So...do they sail up to BPC to give passengers that classic New York arrival experience, and then hang a U back to Red Hook?

June 11th, 2006, 10:02 PM
The QM2 was in that day on a private charter. Maybe one of the passengers wanted to water-ski up the Hudson.

June 11th, 2006, 10:18 PM
The Crown Princess maiden arrival in New York. View from Governors Island.

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June 11th, 2006, 10:27 PM
I was in Red Hook the other day and saw it, it's friggin huge....

July 2nd, 2006, 12:21 AM
The QM2 sailed by my window at exactly 5 am this morning, blasting "Stars and Stripes Forever" from its exterior speakers. I wished I had a torpedo.

For anyone who cares, the latest issue of the Battery Park City Broadsheet (unfortunately not available on-line) confirms (with photo) that I was not dreaming, and that the QM2 did in fact cruise up the Hudson a few weeks ago. As for why, the Broadhseet hypothesizes that: "either she was ahead of schedule or the captain wanted his guests to have a glimpse of midtown at dawn."

July 2nd, 2006, 03:08 AM
They should do it every time to keep the passengers happy.

Harebrained idea to tie up in Red Hook.

Bayonne's even worse.

September 6th, 2006, 10:18 AM
Don't hate on Brooklyn and Bayonne just because they can get their act together and Manhattan can't. Would you rather the passengers get off at a crappy terminal where their safety is jepordized, or would you rather them get off a nice terminal in Brooklyn and see more of the city and learn that NYC isn't just Manhattan and that infact there are four other boroughs. Hell even in Bayonne it has been great for us in Hudson County with passengers taking taxis, shuttles, and yes even the lightrail to stay in hotels in Downtown JC and explore this side of the river along with exploring Manhattan. Even many taking in the quiet small town lifetstyle and feel of Bayonne. I had two passengers asking me about restaurants in Bayonne and how to get there. So while you may not like it, we love the we have four different cruise ships and two crusie lines calling this side of the river home.

September 6th, 2006, 10:56 AM
It now appears that Cunard's commitment to the Brooklyn terminal isn't as complete as it once appeared. QM2 is docked in Brooklyn today, but she will be using Bayonne instead upon her return here on Sept. 30th (and again on Oct. 12th). And QE2 will be docking at the West Side (Manhattan) piers instead of Brooklyn or Bayonne on Sept. 19th.

September 6th, 2006, 11:52 AM
QM2 here!!! I got to get my camera out for that one. I will post pics pronto that night!!! I hope it doesn't rain..

Again this proves a point yet again that we have to work together as the NY-NJ metro area. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We have to work as one unit. I mean cmon' guys were else do you have 3 cruise terminals in one harbor?

September 6th, 2006, 12:06 PM
A record six cruise ships depart from NY on Saturday, September 30. Times vary between 0600 and 0900. Not all boats depart from Manhattan. Best location to view all departures, considering sun angle, would be near The Narrows on the Brooklyn shoreline.

September 6th, 2006, 12:56 PM
I saw a large cruise ship that was sailing down the Hudson River, from Liberty State Park on Labor Day. Was that the QM2?

September 6th, 2006, 01:03 PM
I saw a large cruise ship that was sailing down the Hudson River, from Liberty State Park on Labor Day. Was that the QM2?

Nope. Mary wasn't in town then and, in any event, no longer sails up or down the Hudson. Most likely, you saw Carnival Victory, departing for Saint John, NB:

(09-04-06, from the ESB webcam)

The two ships are quite different in appearance:

Carnival Victory

Queen Mary 2

September 6th, 2006, 03:28 PM
Thanks ManhattanKnight!